THEY'RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE FAKE!!!

[quickdodge®]

I'm just curious. Why is it that when people post up pictures of their cars, some people cry foul because the wheels are "fake?" Why does one person say to another that his car would look good if his wheels were the real thing? Does not having the real deal wheel make the car look worse? Is it one of the sub conscience things that prevents someone from liking something that might have an off brand tag on it?

Just asking. Later, QD.

[CHADbee]

The wheels are very much real and tangible. That is what annoys me. Just because they are a replica doesn't make them fake wheels....they are real wheels that are replicas of another set of real wheels.

[Dylan]

I wonder this exact same thing. A wheels is a fucking wheel! The knock-offs look the same as the real deal in most cases. I think it's a way for folks to try to act like they have all this money to spend on a name.

[RL...]

A good looking wheel is a good looking wheel. I appreciate authentic wheels more because they are expensive and usually a little nicer, but the people who bitch about "fake" wheels are being immature as fuck.

AND I would bet that people who brag about their "real" wheels and bitch about "fake" wheels probably just charged that shit to a credit card which they just pay the minimum amount every month then they act all high and mighty.

[-EnVus-]

Qd, those steelies are fake as fuckkkk

[quickdodge®]

The wheels are very much real and tangible. That is what annoys me. Just because they are a replica doesn't make them fake wheels....they are real wheels that are replicas of another set of real wheels.

I forgot about that angle, lolol.


A good looking wheel is a good looking wheel.

Perfect!


I appreciate authentic wheels more because they are expensive and usually a little nicer,

A more expensive wheel is the last thing that would make me appreciate it. I simply appreciate a good looking wheel. If it's expensive or dirt cheap, as you said, good looking is good looking. And nicer? Looks doesn't necessarily have a price tag. I've seen many ugly as hell wheels that cost 3 and 4x the amount of really nice looking wheels. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Cost has nothing to do with it.



AND I would bet that people who brag about their "real" wheels and bitch about "fake" wheels probably just charged that shit to a credit card which they just pay the minimum amount every month then they act all high and mighty.

I was actually thinking on these same lines, lolol. Later, QD.

[-EnVus-]

I have found it has a lot to due with a person who bought the same real set for double what the person with knock offs did....Just to look as good and last as long.

[CptWitwiki]

id rather "fake" wheels... im not baller enough to waste money on names, and if i were i still wouldn't waste it on a name it would go towards something else.

[silversol]

I could care less about about real of fake if it looks good who care. The real and fake think reminds me of moronic ghetto school children arguing who's nike jordans are real on not!

[Black4DrEK]

I could care less about about real of fake if it looks good who care. The real and fake think reminds me of moronic ghetto school children arguing who's nike jordans are real on not!


HAHAHAHA


I love my "fake" wheels.....

[thesammy]

I don't really care, but structurally the real ones are usually stronger and more lightweight.

[-EnVus-]

If they real this is what happens....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjTlUv87PVk

[Scotsman]

If they real this is what happens....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjTlUv87PVklmao , you have no idea on the real feel of that movie

[David88vert]

Who cares if they are the original or the replica? If they look right on the car then roll it.

[Durtie]

I got no problems with fake wheels. Just own up to it. Don't act like your wheels are the real deal.

[CHADbee]

I got no problems with fake wheels. Just own up to it. Don't act like your wheels are the real deal.

If they are round and can hold a tire they are the real deal.

[-EnVus-]

If they are round and can hold a tire they are the real deal.

What gets me is they are people who talk about cheap tires the same way lol

[Durtie]

If they are round and can hold a tire they are the real deal.

You are correct but you know what I mean. If you bought the knock offs, then admit it.

[jonbuice5591]

ive been wondering the same exact thing. the wheels do not make the car. its not like they add horsepower or anything. honestly ive seen some "knock-offs" that look better than the "real-deal" and that were also way stronger. same goes with anything in life with stupid shit. such as a womans purse/pocket-books, one out of five or so may be fake but they look exactly the same and im willing to bet a year down the road the "knock-off" would have held up better that the real one anyways. id rather spend less money on something thats "knock-off" than an arm and a leg for something real that looks close,the same, or better anyday

[iam99x]

Lighter wheels do allow more power to the ground^

More expensive wheels are known to be designed to be stronger at more angles of impact, and are typically made from higher strength material.

None of that usually matter on our street applications.

As far as looks go, give me what's sexy--not pricey.

[georgieboi]

Og once told me " you get what you pay for"

[quickdodge®]

Og once told me " you get what you pay for"

Not sure what the entire post means, but the part in quotes is certainly not true. Later, QD.

[georgieboi]

Not sure what the entire post means, but the part in quotes is certainly not true. Later, QD.
Don't see what's not to get. You pay 500$ for a paint job your gonna get a 500$ paint job. You pay 100$ for a gold ring your going to get a 100$ ring. And so on......

[quickdodge®]

Don't see what's not to get. You pay 500$ for a paint job your gonna get a 500$ paint job. You pay 100$ for a gold ring your going to get a 100$ ring. And so on......

I got the part in quotes. Just not understanding the first part of your post. It's kind of obvious if you pay $500, you get $500. So I don't get how that pertains to the topic. Later, QD.

[MeFryRice]

Anyone that knows me will know that I dislike replica parts, not just wheels but replica parts as a whole. My reasoning? Not like others where they consider it a status thing (which is annoying, btw) but for the fact that I have and always will support the companies that have been in the import scene from the beginning. It takes R&D for a company to develop a new part. It's very easy for a company that replicates parts to get their hands on a "real" piece and simply have their manufacturers copy it and send it into production. It's very little cost for them. Although it's a great business strategy for Rota, XXR, etc, it has unfortunately come at the cost of a couple original companies having to cease their operations here in the U.S.

[RsonGt3's]

Anyone that knows me will know that I dislike replica parts, not just wheels but replica parts as a whole. My reasoning? Not like others where they consider it a status thing (which is annoying, btw) but for the fact that I have and always will support the companies that have been in the import scene from the beginning. It takes R&D for a company to develop a new part. It's very easy for a company that replicates parts to get their hands on a "real" piece and simply have their manufacturers copy it and send it into production. It's very little cost for them. Although it's a great business strategy for Rota, XXR, etc, it has unfortunately come at the cost of a couple original companies having to cease their operations here in the U.S.
Am with him x2

[thepolecat]

No one seems to care if I have "REAL" wheels on my 30 Model A vs repops. Strange. On the Civic though... I just cannot bring myself to pay thousands for wheels. It is no etter than those 80s POSs that have 29" wheels on them.

[georgieboi]

I got the part in quotes. Just not understanding the first part of your post. It's kind of obvious if you pay $500, you get $500. So I don't get how that pertains to the topic. Later, QD.

If you pay 400$ for a set of wheels your gonna get a 400$ set of wheels.... I once purchased a set of wheels for like 500 and they were crap one didn't even hold air( would leak from a spoke).. But I think rota, xxr, drag, enkie are a good name brand even if they are replicas they are still well made....

[DynamicSound]

To me it depends on the vehicle itself. If I have a Honda worth $4000, I am not going to put $4000 wheels on it...the car isn't worth it. You can brag all day what wheels you have or what you paid for them, but end of the day you are still driving a $4000 Honda...your status does not get bumped up because of the wheels. If I have a Lamborghini, then I would only put expensive wheels on it.

[quickdodge®]

Anyone that knows me will know that I dislike replica parts, not just wheels but replica parts as a whole. My reasoning? Not like others where they consider it a status thing (which is annoying, btw) but for the fact that I have and always will support the companies that have been in the import scene from the beginning. It takes R&D for a company to develop a new part. It's very easy for a company that replicates parts to get their hands on a "real" piece and simply have their manufacturers copy it and send it into production. It's very little cost for them. Although it's a great business strategy for Rota, XXR, etc, it has unfortunately come at the cost of a couple original companies having to cease their operations here in the U.S.

I can see where you're at. But a lot of people can't (or shouldn't try to afford) the "real deal," you know. And Dynamic makes a great and valid point with the value of the car you're putting the wheel on. I know I'll never pay $1,000 for a set of wheel if I can get a "look-a-like" set for considerably cheaper.

Tell me this, MeFry. Do you do any grocery shopping? I do. If so, you'll probably know that all of your major grocery stores have their own brand of grocery items. If you're buying store brands, then you're doing the same thing that you'd be doing if you bought Rota wheels. General Mills does their R&D on Cheerios, but if you go buy Kroger's, you're not necessarily supporting Cheerios.


If you pay 400$ for a set of wheels your gonna get a 400$ set of wheels.... I once purchased a set of wheels for like 500 and they were crap one didn't even hold air( would leak from a spoke)..

So because you bought a set of bad wheels, that means all $400-500 wheels are going to be bad? I do not believe (nor have I ever believed) in the "you get what you pay for" tag.


To me it depends on the vehicle itself. If I have a Honda worth $4000, I am not going to put $4000 wheels on it...the car isn't worth it. You can brag all day what wheels you have or what you paid for them, but end of the day you are still driving a $4000 Honda...your status does not get bumped up because of the wheels. If I have a Lamborghini, then I would only put expensive wheels on it.

Perfect. Not like your Honda will be worth $8,000 with those wheels. Later, QD.

[MeFryRice]

I can see where you're at. But a lot of people can't (or shouldn't try to afford) the "real deal," you know. And Dynamic makes a great and valid point with the value of the car you're putting the wheel on. I know I'll never pay $1,000 for a set of wheel if I can get a "look-a-like" set for considerably cheaper.

Tell me this, MeFry. Do you do any grocery shopping? I do. If so, you'll probably know that all of your major grocery stores have their own brand of grocery items. If you're buying store brands, then you're doing the same thing that you'd be doing if you bought Rota wheels. General Mills does their R&D on Cheerios, but if you go buy Kroger's, you're not necessarily supporting Cheerios.

You're right though and like someone else has also mentioned, people will put themselves into debt in order to obtain expensive parts for their vehicle that they can't necessarily afford. Just because your (not you, just saying in general) credit card has enough available cash on it to make your purchase doesn't mean you can afford it. Look at your bank statement and credit card statement and compare the two. lol.

Actually, I do buy General Mills, Sunshine, Nabisco, Kellogs, etc.

[quickdodge®]

True enough, sir.



Actually, I do buy General Mills, Sunshine, Nabisco, Kellogs, etc.

Lolol. Fuck you. I buy them as well when the price is right. And I can afford it, but I'd rather not spend the extra money to feed a family of four if I can do it for less and buy the "same" thing. Later, QD.

[Bacon]

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6f8448b-9449-e803.jpg

These are the wheels on my Accord right now. They're not everyone's taste but I love this version of these wheels. I have yet to find a replica of these but would have bought them if they were made. Who cares if QD can afford to put RE30s on his CVCC and I can only afford 10 year old Focal F5s on my Accord....wheels are wheels no matter how you slice, dice, chop, or cut it. If you want to rock Volks on your Civic or XXRs, then do what you do.

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[thesammy]

It also depends on what you use the car for. Most of the expensive wheels are made and tested for extreme track use. If my car was a dedicated track warrior, I would fork out the extra grand for a brand name, which I know will hold.
That doesn't mean xxr and rota wont withstand the track, but we've all seen or heard the horror stories with the cheaper wheel alternatives...

When people are putting $2-4k in wheels for their DD, this is a little absurd.

[Bacon]

Then you buy a set of $3600 TE37s for the track and curb or break one. Now you have to replace one if not more. I can buy three sets of Rotas for the price of one TE37. Damage doesn't discriminate on price.

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[thesammy]

Then you buy a set of $3600 TE37s for the track and curb or break one. Now you have to replace one if not more. I can buy three sets of Rotas for the price of one TE37. Damage doesn't discriminate on price.

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If I have a wheel break while on the track, my whole cars going into other cars or the wall. I'll spend 3600 and be mad at myself for being a bad driver then needing to blame my accident on poor quality wheels.

[thesammy]

Enkei makes some great race wheels for about $1000. TE37's are lighter, but there are other cheaper, quality options.

[Bacon]

The choice of wheel does not make you a good or bad driver. If you are a bad driver, then you are a bad driver. Enkei does make awesome track wheel, hence the RPF1s.

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[thesammy]

The choice of wheel does not make you a good or bad driver. If you are a bad driver, then you are a bad driver. Enkei does make awesome track wheel, hence the RPF1s.

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I was implying wheels like Rotas are known to have cracked or even break just by hitting pot holes and bumps on normal roads. I wouldn't want that on a track hitting 100+ speeds.

[Bacon]

Volks and Works will too. Avoid the potholes and you shouldn't have a problem.

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[MeFryRice]

It doesn't matter what brand of wheel it is, any wheel has the potential to crack. I had a set of Fikse FM10's for my old M3. Three out of the four faces were cracked. Fikse wanted $400/ea for replacement faces plus new hardware.

[tnomud]

I am old, I only buy OE or the pricey stuff anymore. (my GRM $2011 challenge car being the exception)

[civicturbo10]

I guess it depends on what the item is. Wheels - i can't see spending 1k+ on wheels. Under 1k is ok. For a real baller car i can see spending on baller deep dish wheels like CCW, just depends on the platform.

On my civic the rota slips were fine. I just drove more careful to prevent bends in the wheels.

When it comes to you get what you pay for. I do believe it, mostly. There can be some exceptions like anything. For my civic i only like to use genuine OEM stuff. Like say a window regulator for a 92 - 95 Civic (72211-SR3-J01). Dealer part is 60.23. Aftermarket is prob $20 on ebay. I hate aftermarket stuff like that it's crap. I have real world experience and it doesn't last worth a dam. So, that junk can go in the dumpster. A friend of mine bought one for his accord and it roll didn't up right, it. It was far from smooth like the factory. Thats unacceptable. Most aftermarket replacement parts is junk but it depends on what your getting.

Say it was a clutch - i wouldn't go with a genuine honda one. I'd rock an aftermarket one, a decent brand at least. Think - Exedy, ACT, or the custom one i had built to spec. So yeah it just depends.

Also, some aftermarket brands are very good at fitment but the cheaper stuff tend to suc in fitment and performance. examples - exedy vs ebay brand. blackworks radiator vs koyo race, honda OEM seal vs. OEM like oil seal, $150 tint vs WINCOS tint. And yes tint can perform that good, lol. Hard to believe.

It just depends.

[alpine_aw11]

I dont have a problem with knock-offs, but I REALLY have a problem with these new idiots that make fun of people for buying the real thing.

[Bacon]

I can't stand people that make fun of anything anyone does really but it's a fact we have to deal with in this industry.

[HeyItsSkeero]

Knock offs aren't bad until the owners of them put the stickers of the real wheels on them. Like putting the Work stickers on rotas, or the CPR stickers on the Rotas.. That's the only thing that bugs me. It's someone elses car, so why get worked up over their wheels being replicas?

But I agree I rather support the company that made the wheel instead of the company that just copied the wheel. To each their own though.

[Bacon]

I support what I like regardless of who makes it.

[quickdodge®]

I support what I like regardless of who makes it.

Right here. Later, QD.

[tnomud]

If you are building a "performance car", with more horsepower, "better" suspension, and are planning to drive it harder than most, why skimp on the wheel/tire package that is quite possibly the most critical compnent on a car? There is tons of knock-off garbage flowing into this country at a record pace. When you buy a wheel at $129 from Tire Rack or whoever else, they are selling it for roughly a minimum of 30 points. They are buying it for $80-90. The WD (or manufacturer) might be selling it at their bare minimum for 25 points, because of the volume they are getting from a large buyer in this case. So, we are down to the $50 dollar range now, minus the $10 or so ride to the US and tax/tariff. Now we're down to $40 or less. Tooling and development typically soak up about 20-30% in most cases, coating and curing is another $5-10. That leaves about $25 for materials, overhead, packaging, advertising, PR, and so on. At $20 or less in materials to make a 20lb aluminum wheel, what do you think you are getting? These are certainly not the castings that I would put much risk into, especially over an OE wheel that goes through years of development and testing.

Signed,
Your resident Automotive Engineer (and Guy who's father owned a very large wheel company):goodjob:

[Bacon]

I'm not saying I won't or don't support the larger companies but if I find something I like and it's in my budget at the time, I jump on it.

Case in point: Pretty soon I am going to purchase the new XXR 531s in platinum 16x8 +20 for the Accord. Why? Because I like them. Yeah, they are knockoff CCWs but I don't want to have to fork out the cash for CCWs when I can get something else that I like for a fraction of the price. My Accord will not be geared completely towards performance anyways. Engine parts, however, is another story. I buy nothing but name brand parts such as HKS, Greddy, Garrett, etc.

[quickdodge®]

If you are building a "performance car", with more horsepower, "better" suspension, and are planning to drive it harder than most

You just eliminated about 98% of this site. And a lot of others. I think you may be reading more into this thread than was intended. I'm referring to your average everyday "tuners." Not race car drivers. Later, QD.

[GlennsEK]

I personally don't care about fake or real, it a fucking wheel.

[wanksta]

Just like fake boobs, they still look good and get the job done. Just make sure they are the right size and offset and you got it made!

[Jaimecbr900]

I see a lot of people defending their view with the argument that you want to "support" the BIG manufacturer, i.e. justify paying the super duper high price. Personally, I have the wheels I have because I was after a certain look. I've had knock offs and now have the other. So what? I was made fun of when I had name brand wheels that didn't look right on my car. So what I paid for it, how great the materials were, and what brand it was mattered zilch. They didn't look right. That's the bottom line.

I've "raced" my car plenty and never had a wheel failure like you see all over youtube and snobby forum pics of centers flying off and wheels breaking apart. Every one of the major castastrophic wheel failures that I've personally seen have failed due to user error, not material failure. So if you take that into consideration, then it stands to reason that for 99.9999% of people driving around DD's, name brand doesn't matter much if they can't drive worth a damn anyway. If you hit a curb trying to "drift", it will kill ANY wheel just the same. Brand or no brand.

I think a few of you are being a little snobby and playing to your own needs. If I owned a BBS store, then of course I wouldn't support anything but BBS. But to say that everything else but BBS is crap is short sighted and not correct. BTW, my wheels are BBS's, so no hate mail about it. Just an example to prove a point.

Personally, I'd rather see good looking knock offs than the other super uber gay trends that people "rock" now trying to copy what they see on cable and doing a sorry job at it. I suppose some of you that stick your noses up at knock offs have 100% authentic carbon fiber, billet aluminum, and Italian leather in YOUR car????? If not, why not if the best is the best is the best and YOU gotta have it.....to drive to work......????.....right.

[-EnVus-]

I see a lot of people defending their view with the argument that you want to "support" the BIG manufacturer, i.e. justify paying the super duper high price. Personally, I have the wheels I have because I was after a certain look. I've had knock offs and now have the other. So what? I was made fun of when I had name brand wheels that didn't look right on my car. So what I paid for it, how great the materials were, and what brand it was mattered zilch. They didn't look right. That's the bottom line.

I've "raced" my car plenty and never had a wheel failure like you see all over youtube and snobby forum pics of centers flying off and wheels breaking apart. Every one of the major castastrophic wheel failures that I've personally seen have failed due to user error, not material failure. So if you take that into consideration, then it stands to reason that for 99.9999% of people driving around DD's, name brand doesn't matter much if they can't drive worth a damn anyway. If you hit a curb trying to "drift", it will kill ANY wheel just the same. Brand or no brand.

I think a few of you are being a little snobby and playing to your own needs. If I owned a BBS store, then of course I wouldn't support anything but BBS. But to say that everything else but BBS is crap is short sighted and not correct. BTW, my wheels are BBS's, so no hate mail about it. Just an example to prove a point.

Personally, I'd rather see good looking knock offs than the other super uber gay trends that people "rock" now trying to copy what they see on cable and doing a sorry job at it. I suppose some of you that stick your noses up at knock offs have 100% authentic carbon fiber, billet aluminum, and Italian leather in YOUR car????? If not, why not if the best is the best is the best and YOU gotta have it.....to drive to work......????.....right.

Realer the wheel bigger the ego cock.....

[MeFryRice]

Jaime - What are you going to purchase when the replica manufacturers have nothing to copy because the original manufactures have now deceased due to lack of sales to these replica manufactures. If it wasn't for them, Rota's aftermarket division wouldn't be as successful as they are today. I'm willing to bet that most people don't even know that Rota originally started out as an OE supplier but that doesn't mean the same quality materials are used in their aftermarket side.

You can say that the people that do support the original manufactures are being snobby, etc. but I will always support them regardless of what other people think.

[RL...]

Jaime - What are you going to purchase when the replica manufacturers have nothing to copy because the original manufactures have now deceased due to lack of sales to these replica manufactures. If it wasn't for them, Rota's aftermarket division wouldn't be as successful as they are today. I'm willing to bet that most people don't even know that Rota originally started out as an OE supplier but that doesn't mean the same quality materials are used in their aftermarket side.

You can say that the people that do support the original manufactures are being snobby, etc. but I will always support them regardless of what other people think.

Rotas sales do not compete with the sales of premium wheel makers like Volk, much like how sales of corvettes do not compete with sales of ferrari's. Even if the corvette never existed the people who couldn't afford a ferrari still wouldn't be able to afford one.

[thesammy]

Besides the brand, I also look into weight when it comes to wheels. This is something most replicas, or "off brands" don't really offer.
And I don't track my car, but my goal is to make it one fun DD, that could handle a track, and take me to work every day. I sometimes drive like it's on a track... Lol. I would prefer to have something I know isn't known for failure, and something that has some R&D behind it. I guess I fall under the 2% who are looking for more function over form in a wheel.

[Bacon]

Why can't people get the "known for failure" theory out of their head? Wheels fail, break, crack, bend, and get destroyed regardless of brand.

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[thesammy]

This is true, but the ones with no R&D behind them tend to happen a little more often.

[thesammy]

It's one thing to strike something with the wheel to make it crack/break, it's another thing when it flies off

"Went to a safty stewart class today and found some info you Rota wheel owners might find important. This is an email that was sent to Howard Duncan who is head of the Program Dept at SCCA.

Today we had a Subaru break a wheel during a practice run. The wheels were Rota and the model was the Attack version. These are very popular wheels with the Subaru crowd. The wheels had cracks from the inside that showed oxidation from 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way through the broken wheel. I checked the other wheels on the car and found a slight crack with my thumbnail on the inside of the other wheel that I could make visable confirmation. On another wheel I could feel a line in the power coat, but could not see any break. After checking another car with Rota wheels, I'm almost to the point of outlawing the wheels in Houston. If possible I'd like us (nationally) to advise the regional safety stewards to check their local competitors cars with Rota whells. Something like a service bulletin, I know their could possibly be a liability issue in doing so, but the whell that came off ended up at least 10 feet up in a tree over 100 feet from the side of the course. We all know the damage, both personal and physical, that a loose whell can cause. I had a photographer take pictures of the wheel and the break points.
Official report to follow though normal channels. There was no one injured and little real damge to the car, the potential was very high though."

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End of story, I have 7 cracks in 3 wheels! So what, when you buy a set of Rota's you can never ever, have them remounted or they'll break????? Stop blamming it on me and IAG because it's very clear that I didn't hit anything, and it's very clear that your wheels BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and check this out, never seen this before. Lol
http://montrealracing.com/forums/showthread.php?602494-Bash-me-Why-Rota-s-are-amazing-part-2

Again, all wheels can break. I just put more confidence in companies that put time and effort into their design, I'm willing to pay $300 extra for a set of wheels I think will last me the life of the car as long as I don't curb, crash, bang them.

[MeFryRice]

Another thing that people don't think about is you reduce the strength of the wheel when you have them powder-coated.

[Bacon]

I still wouldn't buy a $3k set of wheels and risk damage. Repairs and replacements can get expensive.

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[quickdodge®]

I sometimes drive like it's on a track... Lol.

What's so funny about that?


Why can't people get the "known for failure" theory out of their head? Wheels fail, break, crack, bend, and get destroyed regardless of brand.

Exactly. It's a tired and nonsense excuse.


This is true, but the ones with no R&D behind them tend to happen a little more often.

Proof behind your theory? Later, QD.

[.blank cd]

Proof behind your theory? Later, QD.He won't find any

I chuckle a little inside when I see people throw around "R&D" like they know what it means

[MeFryRice]

Being that I was a project manager, I would know R&D. Another member that has posted in this thread has as well since he was a product manager.

[wanksta]

Explain how powder coating a wheel reduces the strength of the wheel.

[thesammy]

Proof behind your theory? Later, QD.

I mean, is all you need to do is read a little on the wheels your looking into. It's a fact forged wheels are stronger than cast wheels. It takes R&d to figure out the best way, reactions of materials, to make a wheel lightweight, function, and be durable. Enkei has been working on their MAT wheel line up for a while. You think they just threw the idea on there and started production? They had a goal to make a wheel lighter than cast, stronger, and more affordable than forged.
When you do r&d, it gets factored into the cost of the product. All those people haven't been working for free.

I don't know what rota does, but I could bet from their prices and wheels, r&d isn't something they focus a whole lot on, not to mention the reviews you can find from people. They take all their designs from other companies, and make a cast version, which if I need to remind you, is proven to be weaker than a forged wheels. I'm not really sure why this is even a debate. Lol

I've read enough bad reviews on Rota wheels to decide that's something I don't want supporting my car.

[Jaimecbr900]

I have name brand wheels, but I totally get the knock off idea too. I don't however buy into the idea that there's all these catastrophic "failures" from regular DD, which is what everyone in here does. Let's be real. Stop pretending you're driving some kind of under cover race car just because you go to a track day every once in a while. It's a DD. Give me a break. People talk like they just drive down the road and the wheels just fall off the car or something. Bullshit.

I don't buy it. Sorry.

[quickdodge®]

I mean, is all you need to do is read a little on the wheels your looking into. It's a fact forged wheels are stronger than cast wheels. It takes R&d to figure out the best way, reactions of materials, to make a wheel lightweight, function, and be durable. Enkei has been working on their MAT wheel line up for a while. You think they just threw the idea on there and started production? They had a goal to make a wheel lighter than cast, stronger, and more affordable than forged.
When you do r&d, it gets factored into the cost of the product. All those people haven't been working for free.

I don't know what rota does, but I could bet from their prices and wheels, r&d isn't something they focus a whole lot on, not to mention the reviews you can find from people. They take all their designs from other companies, and make a cast version, which if I need to remind you, is proven to be weaker than a forged wheels. I'm not really sure why this is even a debate. Lol

I've read enough bad reviews on Rota wheels to decide that's something I don't want supporting my car.

In other words, no actual proof, then.

I wasn't aware of a debate, myself. I simply asked why people think a car looks like shit only because they don't have the real mccoy wheels.

I don't use Rotas either as they don't make wheels for my car. In fact, only a couple of companies do.

I also see you kind of dodged my other question to you. Later, QD.

[Echonova]

Proof behind your theory? Later, QD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbHWHVax7c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJeFB6SRslk&feature=related

[Echonova]

It's propaganda... I know.


But I sleep better knowing my car won't explode siting in the garage in the middle of the night because I have real rims on it.

[-EnVus-]

^ I can see why imitation stuff is made inferior to Real deal but long as you don't act a fool or do anything besides daily drive them id see them lasting.
I wouldn't go as far as to saying they will last as long or be just as reliable as the right stuff. You get what you pay for isn't just a saying but a lived by motto.

[Echonova]

Dammit Envus!!!!!!!



I was ninja'd

[Echonova]

Now I have to think of a new smart-ass comment to make.

[quickdodge®]

You get what you pay for isn't just a saying but a lived by motto.

I certainly don't live by that "motto." Later, QD.

[-EnVus-]

I certainly don't live by that "motto." Later, QD.
Im more like the opposite myself lol

[thesammy]

In other words, no actual proof, then.

I wasn't aware of a debate, myself. I simply asked why people think a car looks like shit only because they don't have the real mccoy wheels.

I don't use Rotas either as they don't make wheels for my car. In fact, only a couple of companies do.

I also see you kind of dodged my other question to you. Later, QD.

I guess you can't read. And fake wheels look fine. They usually do the job fine. It's not that bad for a DD, like you mention, probably only 98% of ppl here wouldn't have a real need for a "quality" wheel , and I think I fall under the 2%.

Your other question as to why I laughed? Because you don't know me well enough to know I laugh at just about everything. I shouldn't be driving on the streets like it's a race track, but when the time is right, that's what I do. That's what I set my car up to be able to handle.

[thesammy]

This is like trying to teach a left handed person to use their right hand. I'll just leave it there. There is plenty of information out there to provide info for anyone who wants to know.

[quickdodge®]

I guess you can't read.

I can't read? You're right. I can't read what's not posted. You posted "facts" with no back up.


Your other question as to why I laughed? Because you don't know me well enough to know I laugh at just about everything. I shouldn't be driving on the streets like it's a race track, but when the time is right, that's what I do. That's what I set my car up to be able to handle.

You're right again. I don't know you. But I do know how stupid it is "drive on the streets like it's a race track." I don't really see anything funny about putting people in danger. But that's a whole other topic.


Let's just leave this "debate" at your analogy. I don't want to get into some worthless argument with you, dude. I got away from arguing a while back. Later, QD.

[Western.]

I support what I like regardless of who makes it.

x2. + and who likes it. If I like it, I'm satisfied.

[dc5-rsx]

Rimz R like Jordans Kickz they're sum of the most counterfeited productz out there! But ppl still buy the Fakez and the Authenticz.

Like Bobby Brown say's It's Your Prerogative!!!!!

[Bacon]

The larger companies like CCW, Enkei, Volk, and Work will have a huge enough following to stay afloat and not cease production as do the smaller companies like Rota and XXR. Half, if not most, of the people on this site or even in the industry of modding cars won't see their wheels succumb to the stress those tests put on the wheels anyway.

Not sure how this thread got off topic :thinking:

QD, I think one of the things that may help answer one of your questions is people have the "buy once, buy right" mindset.

[Prime.]

"buy nice, or buy it twice" haha

[Sinfix_15]

amen.... im constantly arguing this point.

What most people dont realize is that a lot of their expensive wheels are replicas also. Plus 90% of the rays,volk,gram wheels that everyone obsesses over are cast the same way the replica wheels are.

[Sinfix_15]

"buy nice, or buy it twice" haha

there's little to no quality difference though. the reason replica wheels are cheaper is because they streamline their market. XXRs come with 1-2 universal bores and very limited bolt patterns. If replicas fit your vehicle, there's no reason not to buy them. Only reason ive entertained the idea of some of the pricey wheels is because there's no replica available in the size or pattern i need.

Rays makes a forged wheel for race cars, theyre famous because of their forging method. Thats all fine and dandy..... because 90% of the wheels they sell are cast in the same fashion as any other wheel. there's just as many broken and cracked volk wheels as there are XXRs. Most people's cars dont come anywhere near being about to stress a wheel and most of the broken wheel pictures come from car accidents or curb smashes. When i buy wheels, im not buying them for how they'll hold up if i slide into a guard rail.

[tnomud]

You just eliminated about 98% of this site. And a lot of others. I think you may be reading more into this thread than was intended. I'm referring to your average everyday "tuners." Not race car drivers. Later, QD.

:yes:




I have name brand wheels, but I totally get the knock off idea too. I don't however buy into the idea that there's all these catastrophic "failures" from regular DD, which is what everyone in here does. Let's be real. Stop pretending you're driving some kind of under cover race car just because you go to a track day every once in a while. It's a DD. Give me a break. People talk like they just drive down the road and the wheels just fall off the car or something. Bullshit.

I don't buy it. Sorry.


FWIW: I do DD a full blown track car to work occasionally, and i run my family car well into the triple digits almost daily. I bought some BBS reps for a GRM $2011 Challenge Car and they are cast out of round. You get what you pay for. Harbor Freight sells tools that look just like Snap-On's..........:thinking:

[Prime.]

I just find it fun to tell people my wheels are worth more than their car. I'm just a status whore though. I will never another fake or replica part again, but that's just me. Y'all can do what you will.

[MeFryRice]

Rimz R like Jordans Kickz they're sum of the most counterfeited productz out there! But ppl still buy the Fakez and the Authenticz.

Like Bobby Brown say's It's Your Prerogative!!!!!

Appears you missed failed in English.

[MeFryRice]

I have name brand wheels, but I totally get the knock off idea too. I don't however buy into the idea that there's all these catastrophic "failures" from regular DD, which is what everyone in here does. Let's be real. Stop pretending you're driving some kind of under cover race car just because you go to a track day every once in a while. It's a DD. Give me a break. People talk like they just drive down the road and the wheels just fall off the car or something. Bullshit.

I don't buy it. Sorry.

I never implied that Rotas/XXRs would have a catastrophic failure under everyday use.


there's little to no quality difference though. the reason replica wheels are cheaper is because they streamline their market. XXRs come with 1-2 universal bores and very limited bolt patterns. If replicas fit your vehicle, there's no reason not to buy them. Only reason ive entertained the idea of some of the pricey wheels is because there's no replica available in the size or pattern i need.

Rays makes a forged wheel for race cars, theyre famous because of their forging method. Thats all fine and dandy..... because 90% of the wheels they sell are cast in the same fashion as any other wheel. there's just as many broken and cracked volk wheels as there are XXRs. Most people's cars dont come anywhere near being about to stress a wheel and most of the broken wheel pictures come from car accidents or curb smashes. When i buy wheels, im not buying them for how they'll hold up if i slide into a guard rail.

No difference in quality? BS. The process in which wheel is made can be similar but the materials used is the difference which is how Rota, XXR are able to keep the price point lower than Volk, SSR, Work, etc. They want to be able to keep their wheels obtainable to a large market therefore they have to sacrifice the part somehow which in turn is the material used. Don't believe me? Call Rota and see which version of alloy they use and do the same for Rays (this will be more difficult as they're overseas) or even CCW as they're based here in America. Now that you have the alloy #, do some research and compare the specs. Trust me, there is a million different varieties of metals which is a big percentage of the cost of anything these days.


I just find it fun to tell people my wheels are worth more than their car. I'm just a status whore though. I will never another fake or replica part again, but that's just me. Y'all can do what you will.

You sound like an arrogant asshole. It's the superior attitude like yourself that makes me not want to go to meets. There is no reason why your car is better than what you're parked next too.

[Bacon]

You sound like an arrogant asshole. It's the superior attitude like yourself that makes me not want to go to meets. There is no reason why your car is better than what you're parked next too.

x2

[RUFFIAN]

I got no problems with fake wheels. Just own up to it. Don't act like your wheels are the real deal.

This is my problem. If they are not "name Brand" don't say they are. People who get caught up in that Me too, I'm balling harder than you B.S. Needs to get over themselves.

[RL...]

I just find it fun to tell people my wheels are worth more than their car. I'm just a status whore though. I will never another fake or replica part again, but that's just me. Y'all can do what you will.

Nobody who drives a civic should brag to others of more expensive parts. Nothing about status and honda civic go together except for low middle class. I can understand an arrogant person who has a ferrari. But an arrogant person who has a civic? Come on, man.

[89vtec'd]

This Guy will never pull up to me and say that ill just ride over his 2000 dollar car and 30000 dollar wheels and then take it to scrap yard and get me 200 bucks

[tnomud]

This Guy will never pull up to me and say that ill just ride over his 2000 dollar car and 30000 dollar wheels and then take it to scrap yard and get me 200 bucks

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/funny/wrong9.jpg

[RsonGt3's]

Nobody who drives a civic should brag to others of more expensive parts. Nothing about status and honda civic go together except for low middle class. I can understand an arrogant person who has a ferrari. But an arrogant person who has a civic? Come on, man.

Especially been an automatic civic hahaha the grocery getter onBBS's guys!! Let's get real people!!

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

[Prime.]

HAHAHA. I love IA.

[Prime.]

But seriously. Support the industry. Buy real shit.

[RL...]

But seriously. Support the industry. Buy real shit.

Didn't you get your last few sets of wheels through trades with ppl? So it's not like you bought them new. Hardly what I'd call supporting the industry. Lmao

[quickdodge®]

Didn't you get your last few sets of wheels through trades with ppl? So it's not like you bought them new. Hardly what I'd call supporting the industry. Lmao

Lolol. I don't support anyone that doesn't support me.

A new topic now fixing to start................Later, QD.

[Prime.]

Didn't you get your last few sets of wheels through trades with ppl?

And? I meant stop giving your money to companies who merely steal the designs of others. I'm only stating my opinions here. I'd rather have a car with a few "nice" parts than one littered with knock-off or lower quality parts. Again, my opinion, not forcing it on anyone.

[TattooedFish]

And? I meant stop giving your money to companies who merely steal the designs of others. I'm only stating my opinions here. I'd rather have a car with a few "nice" parts than one littered with knock-off or lower quality parts. Again, my opinion, not forcing it on anyone.

Depends on what part and quality. I don't care If something is knock off or not as stated before its a civic not like a hi end car. I'm bout to get a set of axis og oldskools and I actually perfer these over the originals don't like the lip on the originals.

People are always after the better deal so some may pay for authentic original parts but lot are goin to spend less on knockoffs.

Engine / mechanical components yah I can see buying original parts but a wheel is a wheel

[bullet67]

fake or real doesn't matter "I'm a low budget king" lol. I'm rocking stock civic alloys 13lbs whoo!

[PEST]

Like boobies. If I can touch them, they are real.

[shubert]

looking at the title of this thread, i expected to open it and see some titties.......you guys are no fun.

[quickdodge®]

^^^ NO!!!!! Lolol.

This needs refreshing, lolol.

[1civic]

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpxW85rLIB17HGmL7bFB08V0t34ugwy Rgfy8VqBhKu4wmFoNNi

[stealth1]

I Love it when they are fake.....especially if the chick is slutty! that way you know she is going to let you motorboat them, even if she just met you. lol