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http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html

He left his first wife when she got diagnosed with cancer. He met his 2nd wife before he was divorced then married her, and then cheated and left his 2nd wife for the current one number 3.

Usually I don't care about what people do in their free time, but if a guy treats marriage and his spouses like trash, then he definitely doesn't give a damn about us taxpayers. I say fuck him.

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He definitely doesn't deserve to tell gays that they ruin the sanctity of marriage.

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He definitely doesn't deserve to tell gays that they ruin the sanctity of marriage.

true!

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Maybe we can get him locked up!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/18/1056110/-Newt-Gingrich-Promises-Palin-a-Presidential-Appointment-and-Commits-a-Felony?via=siderecent

[Browning151]

Maybe we can get him locked up!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/18/1056110/-Newt-Gingrich-Promises-Palin-a-Presidential-Appointment-and-Commits-a-Felony?via=siderecent

Grasping at straws much?

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I mean if everyone else who breaks a law gets jail time, why not him?

[Browning151]

I don't have the time to sit here and hash out all the illegal activities of political figures and candidates for which they are not in jail. I might as well sit down and write a 1000 page novel if I want to write that much.

Blitzer asked if Palin would be a potential VP, he says they haven't talked about anything like that but he'd ask her to consider taking a major role in his administration, I don't see where he promised her anything. Also the law says "for the purpose of procuring support", he made that statement after she had come out in support for him. But, spin it however you'd like.

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His marriage history is pretty far down on the list of reasons I wouldn't vote for him.

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I'm voting for Colbert

[BanginJimmy]

Usually I don't care about what people do in their free time, but if a guy treats marriage and his spouses like trash, then he definitely doesn't give a damn about us taxpayers. I say fuck him.


Are you a fan of Bill Clinton? He raped a woman in 1978. Then there was Monica Lewinski, then there was Paula Jones.

If anything, Clinton was worse because he lied about it under oath.


One thing I will give Obama credit for, he seems to be an honest and genuine family man.

[blaknoize]

Oh Newt... the ideas you have for poor and child labor.

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Are you a fan of Bill Clinton? He raped a woman in 1978. Then there was Monica Lewinski, then there was Paula Jones.

If anything, Clinton was worse because he lied about it under oath.


One thing I will give Obama credit for, he seems to be an honest and genuine family man.

I'll give you that, i dont dislike Obama the person. He certainly rubs shoulders with some of the most racist idiots on the planet, but aside from that he seems like an OK guy. He's just incompetent.

[Sammich]

I'll give you that, i dont dislike Obama the person. He certainly rubs shoulders with some of the most racist idiots on the planet, but aside from that he seems like an OK guy. He's just incompetent.

out of allllll the comments i've seen about people and when tehy say they dislike Obama, i appreciate the way you put that. #reps

[Vteckidd]

Oh Newt... the ideas you have for poor and child labor.
Are actually pretty good.

Best thing you can do for poor people is give them opportunity not handouts.

[Vteckidd]

HHis marriage life isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as say......john Edwards or Clinton.

His first wife left HIM before she was diagnosed with benign cancer according to HER.

His second wife he did cheat on and marry the person he was cheating with.

He's been with her for 14 years, admitted he was wrong, I see no problem with that.

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Marriage is a promise to spend your life with a person, not to give up when shit hits the fan. Everyone goes through tough times. But GOOD people make it work.

The point is, if he'll fuck over his wife he'll fuck over the taxpayers. A man is not going to care more for random taxpayers than the only person giving him pussy.

As far as Clinton goes...I have no idea what he was about really because I was young when he was in office, so I have no comment or feelings on him either way. I will say that when Clinton was in office though, I doubt our national debt was so fucking high.

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I will say that when Clinton was in office though, I doubt our national debt was so fucking high.That left wing liberal scum had the US in a budget SURPLUS. Damn Socialist

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His first wife left HIM before she was diagnosed with benign cancer according to HER.the stories are conflicting, I remain skeptical on that. The court docs say that she wanted to reconcile.

[Vteckidd]

That left wing liberal scum had the US in a budget SURPLUS. Damn Socialist

I'd take ten bill Clinton's over 1 barrack Obama any time.

He knew how to compromise, Obama does not. Clinton wanted to be loved by everyone, Obama is a narcissist in love with himself. Obama proves he just doesn't care about policy, he cares about narrative.

There's no evidence newt "fucked over his wife" at all. He cheated, he divorced, so what?

Marriages don't work out all the time, oh well.

If it matters to you that's fine, but it doesn't to me.

His record is pretty sound, its as good as Clinton's, and clinton has far more infidelity on his record.

[Vteckidd]

the stories are conflicting, I remain skeptical on that. The court docs say that she wanted to reconcile.

So cause she wanted to reconcile he is supposed to give in?

Both his daughters wrote a vivid recollection of what happened. She chose to divorce him, and she's never said otherwise.

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All Obama has been doing is comprising in the WH since day one. Clinton had balls and he stuck to his guns. If Obama did the same you would be singing his praises right now. And also...congress.

That whole thing screams paid confession or coercion to me. They were his daughters after all. I guess it's something we'll never know anyway.

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We can argue our opinions all day and get no where. Lets look at some facts:

In 08 when Obama was coming in to office our national debt was about 5 trillion...What is it now...15?
Therefore Obama sucks donkey dick.

[BanginJimmy]

That left wing liberal scum had the US in a budget SURPLUS. Damn Socialist

That was forced on him by a GOP controlled House and Senate. The Govt shutdown in '95 was the result of Clinton refusing to sign balanced budgets that were passed by both the House and Senate. Guess who the House was led by? Yep, Newt Gingrich. The same House that forced welfare reform and that killed Hillary Care.

Read up on your history before you want to give Clinton credit for that. Clinton was forced to sign those budgets by the GOP. He didnt compromise, he had to surrender to save his chances for re-election.

[BanginJimmy]

We can argue our opinions all day and get no where. Lets look at some facts:

In 08 when Obama was coming in to office our national debt was about 5 trillion...What is it now...15?

You got one part wrong, debt when Obama took office was ~10T. Obama has added more to the national debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8 though.

We all know this was because of George Bush and the GOP in Congress, not Obama.

[blaknoize]

Are actually pretty good.

Best thing you can do for poor people is give them opportunity not handouts.

Him speaking about a poor person not having the sense to go to work 8-5, 9-5 or whatever is not very good. 5 years ago I would of been on his lazy list and I'd be in highschool, mopping the floors instead of spending my time studying or being a kid/teen. Working when you're a kid instead of just being a kid is beyond me and having the opportunity to be poor, remain poor and work poor, does not help a poor person.

I don't like how he passes it off as if poor folks (all of them in his general wash) are to remain poor and work poor just to be poor, that is not opportunity.

[Vteckidd]

You clearly don't understand his policy. Do some more research.

He's not advocating MAKING kids work


His comment was why have 6 unionized janitors making 80k a year, when you could have 2, and 10 kids helping out.

Poor people want money, teach them how to work, how to earn and save money, its all voluntary

If you can't balance studying with work, you have bigger problems to worry about.

[Vteckidd]

If a kid is poor, how does giving him a minimum wage job at 12,13,14 make him poor? LOL

Some kids would love a chance to earn money, why not give them that opportunity.

Or we could just "let them be kids" which in most poor neighborhoods means crime, drugs, and drop outs.

Yeah sounds much better /sarcasm

[blaknoize]

Why would a kid have to work at 12-14? Unless they otherwise wanted to? I may be completely and utterly wrong on someone's policy, but in my eyes, working at that age does nothing for the child. It would be more beneficial to TEACH the art of saving, debt/income ratio's and how interest works than to just let them learn on the fly. Like they used to in high school before even you were there.

We may as well have kids work as soon as "reasonably" possible, as he so casually says. A 10 yr old on a PC could learn to write code for a web domain or manage a data library, since it isn't very hard and we should have him/her replace the 80-90k a yr earners who are adults with children who pay attention and pay them 9 an hr.

Oh, we could even have 4 kids and one adult drive a trash truck and replace the two men on the back to collect our garbage and replace his 60-70k a year job with kids who will take anything (100 a day) because it would be a great way for kids to learn responsiblity and give them a few dollars.

So yes, in my eyes, the kids will get nothing out of it but some money; because that may NOT be what a person would like to do, it took me till 24 to figure out what I have a nak for even without school in the way. Let the kids play, get in trouble, find out what is good for their minds. Hang out, game it, get wasted while they can. Because once you get into the working world, it's gone.

[Vteckidd]

Proof positive you're fear mongering. Spare me the "OMG this leads to child slavery" crap.

Look poor in this country present a problem, there should be some solutions. Facts are that MOST parents especially in poor neighborhoods have little to no involvement with their children's life or education. They aren't involved. Some are lazy, some are trying to make ends meet working 12 hour days.

We have after school programs that don't work, we have people overemployed from UNIONS that waste our money.

Rather than have kids keep repeating the same cycle, offer them a choice. Offer them easy jobs AT THEIR SCHOOLfor a minimum wage.

It helps their family with extra income, it helps them with income, it instills a sense of pride in the school, teaches them work ethic, etc.

Oh no that's so terrible!

He's not FORCING anyone to do anything, he's merely saying why not make the choice available?

Why start work at 16 when you can start at 12-13 REASONABLY. your grandparents did it, your parents did it.

We have a society now that says wait until your 22-25 to start real work, cause God forbid you flip burgers at McDonald's.

[Vteckidd]

Our problem is we breed this society that WANTS everything but don't breed people who want to work for it.

I guarantee you if one of the poor kids starts earning $100-200 a week and buying stuff the other kids will take notice.

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Back in the days kids were plowing fields at 12. Kids are entirely too sheltered now-a-days. I was helping my dad with major construction projects before I was 10, working with the same equipment that could seriously injure a child or a full grown adult.

[blaknoize]

I like how you can name me "something" because of how I believe a childhood should be. Our grandparents may have worked, but our grandparents also requested a labor law into existence. I WAS poor, I was raised in southern Ohio, (youtube Hillbilly Heroine), drugs rampant and an economically depressed area, always has and always will be.

I technically shouldn't even be as well off as I am using Newt's generalization of poor people. I was born poor, in a poor family in a poor part of America, in a dying city that declined from 26k to 20k before I even graduated. Per capita of 15k and 24% of us are below the poverty line, so... 24% of the poorer poor people in that city don't know how to work, would never want to work and can't work because they're poor. Though I doubt, ANY of them want to just sit there, in that dying city with no work and no money to move.

If the kids who worked at school made a lil money here and there and learned a thing, then the area's economy shouldn't be so depressed, right? Scioto County has a Jobs Corp, Community Action Organization, Portsmouth High School does actually pay students for work around the school and for activities in video production on ONN (Ohio News Network). Yet... none of them are better off, or since we can't actually pin-point it, some percentage of them are still as poor, if not more so, than they were in the beginning because the area doesn't offer a thing.

How does a union waste money? They didn't appear out of no where, a union is designed to care for and provide a livable wage to those who work in the union and to prevent being overworked and underpaid; which is also why unions are so hard to join. You have to be good at your role to maintain your position. It's not designed to give the union worker a wage where they can just simply exist. Have you ever been in a union? I know GA is all anti-union (or appear to be) and why there is so much struggling going on down there just to make ends meet. The tri-state area is heavily unionized still, the NE area also has a large portion of works in unions, Ohio used to be very unionized as well as the midwest. People moved for security and work.

9-5 with benefits a LIVABLE wage and even a bit of money for vacations with the family or to buy things you really dont need, for the hell of it, like our unionized government officials get. But oh, no, not a single person deserves to live well. Not a single family should be able to enjoy their lives, only a select few; those who aren't poor or just so happen to be raised in a poor area.

Newt would have a different tone if his job paid him only $20 an hour to be a policy marker/speaker/wannabe President. The Government is a union and their pay rates are MUCH higher than a person doing the same type of work in a private, non-union corp. They're clearly overpaid and we know it.

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But, I'm just an idiot who would rather see a society live well, than to be one of the few that live very well and have friends and family be much worse off than me. I went on a rant, but I hate that idea, especially since he seems to believe a poor person knows nothing and will never learn a thing, since they're poor.

"They have no habit's of showing up for work on Monday, they have no habit of staying all day, they have no habit of (I do this) and you give me cash... unless it's illegal." -Newt

A kid should be busy in school work, not working for nominal wage. But since Newt seems to think all poor people do illegal things for cash, I should be out selling drugs like the drug companies do and stacking my cash and get me a Cadillac, then go to prison, get out and do it again, this time, get two Cadillac's and run credit card scams on you "rich" folk. Since that's all I know how to do, being a poor person.

Also, on wasting money; I don't see how you could ignore Goldman Sachs waste; a wealthy employee at that firm makes 150-350k is more wasteful than a 60k union employee in an infrastructure company and the Sachs employee just does stuff in an office. Why can't pay the regular guy working in a labor union a reasonable salary? Then swear up and down that a union employee is lazy because his job is tiring and he wants to be off work at 5 after running 5 miles of pipe through your neighborhood? Since it needed to be replaced and is delivering your family fresh water, or repaving a road you drive on, or building your home, running cabling to your home for power/network connections. Those guys bust their ass and you got the balls to say (oh... you're a laborer, take a salary of 30k and suck it, you don't deserve a living wage, work harder and take overtime).

[Vteckidd]

I stopped reading at "livable wage"

Your argument is not cohesive and lacks any semblance to being rational. Did anyone say 12 year holds should be operating heavy machinery? 12 year old should be using buzzsaws and drill presses? How you get from "simple janitorial work " to child child slavery is beyond me. How you get from voluntary work for a school to kids being taken advantage of for profit to major corporations.....is beyond me.

Unions create economic inequality. They consistently over pay, over use, and make businesses uncompetitive. Unions stopped being about "proper wages" decades ago. Top union bosses make in the upper 6 figures usually for doing little to know work. They extort companies to over pay workers making them uncompetitve and forcing companies to outsource jobs.

The financials firm guys deserve whatever the market dictates they make. If it's 100 million, so what. I guarantee they are smarter than you and me put together times 1000.

Unlike you I don't hate the rich, I want to be rich.

But newt is right there is a lot of people, especially poor, who don't want to work for the their way up, they want it handed to them because they think they deserve it.

Your life is what you make it, I don't blame anyone if I'm broke buy myself. I'm not dumb enough to blame someone else, I can make myself as successful as I want to be.

[Vteckidd]

And I'm sorry the Guy "laying pipe" didn't take that job cause he thought he was gonna make 200k a year.

It's a labor job ANYONE with minimal mental capacity can do. It pays accordingly.

Teachers usually are grossly underpaid, but who becomes a teacher expecting to be rich? No one, cause its an easy fucking job.

All your statements mean that you think you're smart enough to tell people who male vastly more money than you that they earn too much. What makes you so smart? What education level do you have?

Mediocre jobs pay mediocre wages. Sorry, we shouldn't legislate they pay more cause you wanna be lazy and make more.

The janitors make a ton of money because the unions extort local and city gpvts to provide jobs for them as kickbacks for votes. Do some research.

Google the teacher rubber room in new York or watch "waiting for Superman"

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Teachers usually are grossly underpaid, but who becomes a teacher expecting to be rich? No one, cause its an easy fucking job.
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TELL IT AGAIN HUMAN! LOL

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In all seriousness though, that is the most uneducated statement you've ever made. Ever. The only correct part of that was that educators are grossly underpaid. And I don't think you even fully understand that

I know in your fantasy world, being a teacher, plumber, electrician, construction worker looks easy, but it's far from it. I can tell you have zero experience doing any of that.

And before you rebuttal, fixing a pipe under your sink one time a while back does not qualify you to be a plumber or have any plumbing skills.

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I dont mind sharing my personal wage. I'm in the 40k class, just under, just over. I have no formal education. I "lucked out" on a few contracts and performed well, then learned the job and they wanted me. (Literally called me from Atlanta too return to Columbus for work). I got this job because I happen to be in college at ITT and dropped out. I just showed up because I wanted to get back in class since my dad just failed to give me his tax info, although the loan was in my name. I was in school to become a Network Architech but dropped due to my dad, as a Deans List student.

Livable wage is a great term, just like you termed me a Fearmonger. A livable wage is a wage in which a single person in the family can care for all if necessary. It's a good wage, not a whole lot, but enough to be able to have a nice car, reasonable home, able to care for the wife/kid(s) and a lil spending money for FUN. Like the rich can do, just on a more exaggerated level.

I don't hate the rich, I just don't like how the rich seem to think of the poor. If you had met me in person 4 yrs ago, in my 93 Accord, no exhaust, saw where I lived and figured that I made less than 20k a year, then you'd mug me, smug me and think I'm nothing. But when you see me NOW, I'm no longer considered rich, I'm in the middle (what's left of it).

Also, how the hell can you say anything like that about teachers? Teachers obviously create jobs, they TEACH you. But we as AMURRICAN's think the teachers union is filled with useless "overpaid" staff. Since the Government is actively attempting to break them up.

[blaknoize]

I sit in a desk, in a cube, talking to people about installing ATM's. ANYONE can do this, but I can't go out there, in 20degree weather, in a pit, installing insulated piping for housing that hasn't been built up yet. Or the guy in the air, running the cabling between a new home and an existing line. I have an office job that does NOTHING to help society, but I make more than construction workers and some infrastructure workers. (Well ok, I would, but it's not for me).


Mediocre jobs pay mediocre wages. Sorry, we shouldn't legislate they pay more cause you wanna be lazy and make more.

Pipefitting is not a mediocre job, it is a very vital job, as are any of the infrastructure related businesses are. Your job could not function without their work, their "mediocre" work. I know if it wasn't for those lazy worker's your home wouldn't be there, you wouldn't have water, you wouldn't have power and you would have to drive through mud. But to Newt, these are poor people jobs, just as a janitor's job.

[Vteckidd]

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry....I just......


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TELL IT AGAIN HUMAN! LOL

My moms a 20 year educator, teacher of the year 2 years in a row, and I was home schooled. I know a TON about education.

She agrees with me, she is grossly underpaid because schools hire absolute incompetent people to be teachers, educators like her are few and far between. She works 16 hour days, MANY OF HER PEERS DO NOT.

AS A WHOLE, teaching is an easy profession to get into sorry

[Vteckidd]

WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?

I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?

So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?

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In all seriousness though, that is the most uneducated statement you've ever made. Ever. The only correct part of that was that educators are grossly underpaid. And I don't think you even fully understand that

I know in your fantasy world, being a teacher, plumber, electrician, construction worker looks easy, but it's far from it. I can tell you have zero experience doing any of that.

And before you rebuttal, fixing a pipe under your sink one time a while back does not qualify you to be a plumber or have any plumbing skills.

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AS A WHOLE, teaching is an easy profession to get into sorry

Very far from the truth. It takes more than a 4 year degree nowadays, which is farther in education than the majority of Americans have completed in addition to needing certifications and/or licenses.


The problem with it being legal with kids working is not that there is anything wrong with able bodied kids working a few hours here and there. It's that parents and others could take advantage of it and would thus create problems. Vteckid what if your parents made you work 30-40 hours a week starting from when you were 13? Do you think you would be able to get a good education and still have a good childhood? I don't think so. This is an extreme example but it could and very possibly would happen.

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My moms a 20 year educator, teacher of the year 2 years in a row, and I was home schooled. I know a TON about education.

AS A WHOLE, teaching is an easy profession to get into sorryOn one hand you said teaching is a cake job, then cite your mom as a testimony of how hard of a job teaching is, then on the other, you say teaching is an easy job to get into....?

You're comparing apples to a salad

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Very far from the truth. It takes more than a 4 year degree nowadays, which is farther in education than the majority of Americans have completed in addition to needing certifications and/or licenses.Educating isn't an easy job, but you don't need a 4 year degree to do it. Degrees are only preferred. There are a couple certification tests you take. If you can pass you're in.

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In all seriousness though, that is the most uneducated statement you've ever made. Ever. The only correct part of that was that educators are grossly underpaid. And I don't think you even fully understand that

I know in your fantasy world, being a teacher, plumber, electrician, construction worker looks easy, but it's far from it. I can tell you have zero experience doing any of that.

And before you rebuttal, fixing a pipe under your sink one time a while back does not qualify you to be a plumber or have any plumbing skills.


WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?

I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?

So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?

I know this comment isn't targeted at me, but let me flip it back at you. What makes you qualified to say what you do? Do you have a BS or Masters degree in economics or political science?

[Vteckidd]

Educating isn't an easy job, but you don't need a 4 year degree to do it. Degrees are only preferred. There are a couple certification tests you take. If you can pass you're in.

Now who is double talking.

I said teaching is an easy job up get into, my mom is the 1%, she deserves more money, but MOST teachers don't hold a degree, they are certified, my mom has a masters.

Its an easy profession to do, I didn't say all teachers are do nothings.

[RL...]

Educating isn't an easy job, but you don't need a 4 year degree to do it. Degrees are only preferred. There are a couple certification tests you take. If you can pass you're in.

In GA you need atleast a 4 year degree, this is a fact.

[Vteckidd]

He's saying people make too much money while advocating taking their money.

I'm telling him blue collar jobs pay blue collar wages because that's what they demand. If plumbers made a million dollars , we would require a lot more education and skills.

There's a reason labor force make lower wages.

Fyi I'm in the IT labor force because it pays better, I was in the Automotive labor force and got out because it sucked

As for my economic expertise, I owned my own business, ran multiple other small businesses, well. I think I know what it takes to run a small business, and own a small business, and work for a small business. And I'm an accountant.

And I invest. I study the economy

Political science wise, I'm just a junkie I read 2-3 books a month and write op-eds for local publications

[Vteckidd]

In GA you need atleast a 4 year degree, this is a fact.

Not true, you can be certified and have a job

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He's saying people make too much money while advocating taking their money.

I'm telling him blue collar jobs pay blue collar wages because that's what they demand. If plumbers made a million dollars , we would require a lot more education and skills.

There's a reason labor force make lower wages.

Fyi I'm in the IT labor force because it pays better, I was in the Automotive labor force and got out because it sucked

As for my economic expertise, I owned my own business, ran multiple other small businesses, well. I think I know what it takes to run a small business, and own a small business, and work for a small business. And I'm an accountant.

And I invest. I study the economy

Political science wise, I'm just a junkie I read 2-3 books a month and write op-eds for local publications

Sorry but a job's salary is NOT dependent upon education. There are a lot of jobs that pay shit but have moderate to high educational requirements, the the converse is true as well. The smart thing to do is to get an education in a field that is lucrative like healthcare and IT.

It's cool that you owed your own business, but owning a small business with 1-3 employees and grossing 100K(and netting much less) annually makes you qualified to preach about economics and politics in such a fashion that we should your words as fact?

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In GA you need atleast a 4 year degree, this is a fact.

My mistake. I'll just tell my wife (degreed and triple certified educator), my sister in law (degreed and certified educator) and my mother in law (certified educator, no 4yr degree) that they're full of shit. Lol

[Vteckidd]

My mistake. I'll just tell my wife (degreed and triple certified educator), my sister in law (degreed and certified educator) and my mother in law (certified educator, no 4yr degree) that they're full of shit. Lol

I apologize if you felt I was degrading your family, that wasn't my intention. I was not saying all teachers are stupid or lazy.

My point was no one becomes a teacher to become rich, probably a bad example to tell the truth

[Vteckidd]

Sorry but a job's salary is NOT dependent upon education. There are a lot of jobs that pay shit but have moderate to high educational requirements, the the converse is true as well. The smart thing to do is to get an education in a field that is lucrative like healthcare and IT.

It's cool that you owed your own business, but owning a small business with 1-3 employees and grossing 100K(and netting much less) annually makes you qualified to preach about economics and politics in such a fashion that we should your words as fact?
Don't listen to me I don't care LOL I'm just discussing.

he asked my credentials

I'm just saying newt wasn't advocating child slavery, and I never heard him say "poorvpeople should only do poor jobs"

And we should act like every millionaire is Bernie Madoff

[blaknoize]

WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?

I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?

So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?

I never had a want to work for GS, I used that company as an example. Secondly, I was in college for something other than what I do now and went into 30k worth of debt at the hand of my dad and these laws for "college independence" (I was an independent student at Shawnee State Univ in Portsmouth, OH however, at ITT tech, I couldn't prove my independence) I would of been a graduate working for a tech company of sorts. But... since I was forced to waste 30k and earn no degree, I opted to run with my experience and some luck to work for JPMC. Had I not had the 30k worth of debt and just went with it, I would technically make more.

But my education level obviously has nothing to do with my pay nor does that poor argument mentioned by Newt make sense. I was poor as hell, my family is as well, but I sure know how to wake up and get to work and make money "legally". I went from 14k in 2006 to 40k in 2012 off pure experience.

About this me as a non-college degree holder. All education is; is some other people who did it before you, saving the data and returning it to someone else. No one KNEW how to build a home, but someone tried and learned from it, then other people tried from his initial design and refined it. No one knew how to make a car, a microchip, medicine or glass. But someone tried it and now it's all shared (just for a large price now) with others.

That GS exec may know how to toss money in the wrong places, but I could also toss money around in the wrong places, I wouldnt need to be educated by a school to do that. Also, I could just KNOW enough people and ask for employement. They'd make a way or ask me to perform a few functions leading to the job offer to make things look "normal" and then, WOW, I'm suddenly an employee of GS, ballin like an idiot.

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I apologize if you felt I was degrading your family, that wasn't my intention. I was not saying all teachers are stupid or lazy.

My point was no one becomes a teacher to become rich, probably a bad example to tell the truthI was just correcting RL. He was misinformed about teachers qualifications. Lol

[Vteckidd]

Sucks you went 30k in debt, but that was your choice right? I didn't force you to do that. The GS guy didn't force you.

So you never WANTED to work at GS yet you think you know about complex financial markets? Or what it is a GS employee does?

What about a JP Morgan guy? BOA?

I just don't see how you can say someone makes too much when you have no clue what their job is.

Fyi if it was so easy everyone would do it.

[blaknoize]

Sucks you went 30k in debt, but that was your choice right? I didn't force you to do that. The GS guy didn't force you.

So you never WANTED to work at GS yet you think you know about complex financial markets? Or what it is a GS employee does?

What about a JP Morgan guy? BOA?

I just don't see how you can say someone makes too much when you have no clue what their job is.

Fyi if it was so easy everyone would do it.

It was my choice to pursue my education, it was not my choice to somehow enroll and they accept me as in "independent" the spend all the money, THEN tell me "oh wait, you aren't independent here, so either produce your father's tax info or get out." So no, it wasn't my choice to waste the money, it was my choice to pursue my education and I did, but was not rewarded for it.

I work for JP Morgan.

I also dont see how you can say someone should make so little for what they're job may be. I made this totally personal but I am trying to make a point. Newt's generalization of a poor person and the child labor law being dismissed by him are ridiculous.

GS - Complex? What did they do? Get saved by the tax payers and poor folk for them to make countless bad decisions that they can run from and lol? I WISH I could make terrible investments in this complex world and mess up and get paid large sums of cash for messing up.

And no not everyone can just come in and do this, but it isn't difficult. I "couldn't" do it when I first started, but with 3 days of training, omg, I can do it. All you have to do is pay attention and get through an interview then refine your work. That's like me doubting Bill Gates for him not finishing Harvard who's extreme income outweighs his education level.

[nelson9995]

Sucks you went 30k in debt, but that was your choice right? I didn't force you to do that. The GS guy didn't force you.

So you never WANTED to work at GS yet you think you know about complex financial markets? Or what it is a GS employee does?

What about a JP Morgan guy? BOA?

I just don't see how you can say someone makes too much when you have no clue what their job is.

Fyi if it was so easy everyone would do it.

lol lol... I have read all of your posts and it seems as if you've never been in the position where you have 3 kids that are hungry and you can't afford to feed them because you work 40 hours a week and get underpaid. Dude, it's easy to talk out your ass when you're balling. That's the problem. People with this mentality have either always been balling or were poor at one point, stepped up in life and are now full of themselves and think everyone has lived under their same circumstances and has had the same opportunities.

And I bet you rather sit in an office and do what they do than wake up at 2am in the winter to lay pipe lol if you say otherwise you are lying. I have done all these jobs and our lives are 10x more at risk. I'm not saying we should get paid more but those politicians are certainly over paid and the person that made their water possible and them live comfortably working 2x as hard, breaking the night endangering their lives makes only $9 like I did laying pipe and fixing water mains whenever they called not mattering the time I had to be there. Sometimes at 2am with 30 degree weather, water being frozen and mud in the dark with no sleep because I had just worked 10 hours and got called on an emergency.

Luckily I graduate from school in 4 months as a Web Developer. I am working my way up but not everyone has this opportunity.

[Vteckidd]

Ehhh we just disagree, I can't type that much on my phone.

GS guys make money for a reason. I don't pretend to act like I know what they do to determine their salary. But I'm willing to bet your average wall street financial guy has better qualifications than your average plumber or teacher or fireman.

Sucks about your college experience.

[nelson9995]

Ehhh we just disagree, I can't type that much on my phone.

GS guys make money for a reason. I don't pretend to act like I know what they do to determine their salary. But I'm willing to bet your average wall street financial guy has better qualifications than your average plumber or teacher or fireman.

Sucks about your college experience.

I'm willing to bet I know people that are more qualified than they are, and smarter overall with more degrees, etc... that make a fraction of their money working 10x as hard.
I would have to say it's not all about what you know... sometimes it's about knowing how to take advantage of certain opportunities, situations, etc... and alot of times it is who you know.

[Vteckidd]

lol lol... I have read all of your posts and it seems as if you've never been in the position where you have 3 kids that are hungry and you can't afford to feed them because you work 40 hours a week and get underpaid. Dude, it's easy to talk out your ass when you're balling. That's the problem. People with this mentality have either always been balling or were poor at one point, stepped up in life and are now full of themselves and think everyone has lived under their same circumstances and has had the same opportunities.

Its not my problem you had three kids. I chose not too cause I couldn't afford it.

I made 14000 a year, now I make a lot more. I had no degree, no training, no experience, I was TIRED OF BEING POOR. I worked hard, got certified, got experience, furthered my education, etc.

I just chose not to worsen my situation by having kids or making other dumb mistakes (although I've done some stupid shit in my life)

Opportunity is everywhere. You just have to want to succeed. If you have 3 kids before 30 with no degree and no career, that sucks, but that's YOUR FAULT. Take responsibility.

I get up at 6 am EVERYDAY and get home at 8-830. I work hard. I used to work 40-60 hours a week at shit jobs, I hated it.

I don't come from money. I rememeber having $47 in my checking acct not being ably to pay rent for 1 week till I was paid again.


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And I bet you rather sit in an office and do what they do than wake up at 2am in the winter to lay pipe lol if you say otherwise you are lying. I have done all these jobs and our lives are 10x more at risk. I'm not saying we should get paid more but those politicians are certainly over paid and the person that made their water possible and them live comfortably working 2x as hard, breaking the night way up but not everyone has this opportunity.

Sucks but that's the job, if you don't like it change it. But you shouldn't bash others jobs becausecyou hate your own.

Nothing's stopping you from moving up but yourself, your choices, and your motivation

[Vteckidd]

I'm willing to bet I know people that are more qualified than they are, and smarter overall with more degrees, etc... that make a fraction of their money working 10x as hard.
I would have to say it's not all about what you know... sometimes it's about knowing how to take advantage of certain opportunities, situations, etc... and alot of times it is who you know.

So? I'm persoanlly smarter than 90% of the business owners I know, some are millionaire's, so what.

It is who you know, so make connections, what's stopping you?

It comes down to how bad you want something. Its far easier to complain about someone else than it is to change your situation.

[blaknoize]

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[Vteckidd]

Don't be scared LOL post it

[nelson9995]

Don't be scared LOL post it

I have no kids I'm only 21 no kids about to graduate with an assciates in web development/ wed graphic design like I said in 4 months. Also plan on turning it into a bachelors by the time I'm 25. and by the time I'm 27 I want to acquire a bachelors in business administration and by the time I'm 30 have my own business.
I personally know people in that situation.
I am broke though lol mostly because I spend all my money in cars which I will stop once I complete my s14 build and just maintain it. Before the year is over I want to own my house though. I want to take advantage of the economy and how cheap houses are at the moment.
I am changing my situation by doing what I stated above.
and most importantly... the person I decide to marry must be educated with a good job or the potential to have one lol. which I believe I am almost there lol :)
I want to make some connections... I just need help on how to. if you think you can help me PM me. SERIOUSLY..

[Vteckidd]

Sounds like you're doing good, much better than me at that age. Keep at it.

Web development is good but very saturated. Everyone proclaims they are "graphic design" nowadays and big problem is you have people who greatly undercut your industry. Its like web design. Some people charge $1000-2000 some do it for free, your consumers rarely know quality from crap.

I'm mainly in network and systems IT, not tough but lots of jobs. CCNA and a security cert you can make 70-80k a year no degree.

Best thing you can do is be aggressive getting clients, seperate yourself from your competition somehow. Owning your own business your pretty much sales

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Newt Gingrich everyone...::facepalm::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5dv-T_nXN1M

[Vteckidd]

That's his opinion, he thinks you need to have belief in something greater than yourself to wield that kind of power. What's wrong with that?

I don't agree with it, but its opinion. I'm glad he answered honestly

[RL...]

It's an opinion that's stupid as shit. It's funny how Newt talks about God but then he's had several divorces with different women and he's committed adultery which is blatently against the 7th commandment. He obviously doesn't give a fuck about the promise that he's made to God so GTFO with that BS. That's the problem with politicians, they miss the point. Running a country has NOTHING to do with religion. It has to do with economics, taking care of people, foreign policy, leadership, common sense, and basically overall intelligence. I hate how religious people think just because others don't follow their path they can't do a job job that they can do. They think they are better than everyone....I want a president that doesn't condemn others just because of their religion, I mean damn I thought we were in 2012.

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That's his opinion, he thinks you need to have belief in something greater than yourself to wield that kind of power. What's wrong with that?

I don't agree with it, but its opinion. I'm glad he answered honestlyWhats wrong with that? Its rhetoric like that that perpetuates anti-religious discrimination and the stereotype that atheists aren't worthy of trust. If you replaced "atheist" with christian, republican, black, hispanic, or indian, there would be outrage. Its baffling that he is taken seriously as a presidential candidate. And judging by his track record, he should be the LAST person telling people how god works

[Vteckidd]

You're acting pretty holier than thou.

His infidelity is wrong,but I though Christians believe in forgiveness. You have to ask yourself has he changed. I think he has, I think it happened 15 years ago, and he cheated on his second wife, not the 1st IIRC.

He's not condemning aethiests, he's just saying " I'd have a hard time voting for one for president"

That's his opinion, its not yours.

Personally I'd have no problem with it, or even a Muslim. But they didn't ask me

You guys jump way off base over the dumbest shit, clinton was a HORRIBLE MORAL PRESIDENT but I didn't give two shits, he got stuff done.

[Vteckidd]

Whats wrong with that? Its rhetoric like that that perpetuates anti-religious discrimination and the stereotype that atheists aren't worthy of trust. If you replaced "atheist" with christian, republican, black, hispanic, or indian, there would be outrage. Its baffling that he is taken seriously as a presidential candidate. And judging by his track record, he should be the LAST person telling people how god works

I just think you're reaching pretty far, comparing race to someone saying HE THINKS you should believe in God to be president.

He said " I wouldn't trust someone who doesn't have faith in someone greater than himself". (Paraphrased )

Wtf is wrong with that. He think you should be held accountable to a higher power, everyone makes mistakes, especially him.

I see no problem with it, its far less inflammatory than Obama sitting in a black racist Jeremiah Wrights church forc20 years, but I don't think Obama is racist.

You guys should be consistent on your bashing

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You're acting pretty holier than thou.

His infidelity is wrong,but I though Christians believe in forgiveness. You have to ask yourself has he changed. I think he has, I think it happened 15 years ago, and he cheated on his second wife, not the 1st IIRC.

He's not condemning aethiests, he's just saying " I'd have a hard time voting for one for president"Holier than thou? How is that? A man in a public forum says he doesnt believe atheists are worthy of holding a position of power and trust, and the audience applauds. Is that not spreading the stereotype?

If I were asked the same question during my campaign, my answer would be "Absolutey. If one were so qualified to do the job, which belief in a deity does not exclude or preclude, then I would trust his decision making power. Furthermore, as an atheist myself, I would maintain that the separation of church and state would be absolutely separate, and the economic decisions I make will be based solely on knowledge, experience, science, and fact."

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If I went up there and said "I dont think Christians should be president because they put all their trust in some imaginary being", I would get booed off the stage, and then stoned out in the parking lot

[Vteckidd]

If I went up there and said "I dont think Christians should be president because they put all their trust in some imaginary being", I would get booed off the stage, and then stoned out in the parking lot

Not by me, I would respect your opinion.

Its called faith, some believe some don't. A VAST majority of the country believes, and apparently so does he, so he answered it accordingly, and people cheered.

They cheered because they are probably Christians, which he knew obviously.

Atheists hate Christians, and Christians hate atheists. You would rather they think like you, which OS why I despise religion in the first place. Believing/not believing is fine, its this notion that you think you're right that pisses me off.

Atheists do it, Christians do it

[Vteckidd]

Honestly religious question like that are stupid, they should be left out of politics. Its so inconsequential it doesn't need to be asked.

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Honestly religious question like that are stupid, they should be left out of politics. Its so inconsequential it doesn't need to be asked.

So if it's inconsequential, then why would he respond to it? He could have been smart about it and not said anything about it. He brought it up! It speaks to his character in that he thinks atheists are beneath him.

[Vteckidd]

So if it's inconsequential, then why would he respond to it? He could have been smart about it and not said anything about it. He brought it up! It speaks to his character in that he thinks atheists are beneath him.

uh, cause hes trying to win an election, duh. I dont think he thinks they are beneath him, i think he answered the question "WOULD YOU BE OK WITH A PRESIDENT WHO WAS ATHEIST"

his answer was "NO, I WOULDNT TRUST SOMEONE WHO DIDNT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER" , thats his OPINION.

I bet you 1000$ Obama tonight talks about DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION , even though hes done absolutely NOTHING about lessening our dependence on foreign oil. ITs because he wants to win an election.

It really doesnt bother me at all.

The question probably shouldnt have been asked in the first place

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He definitely gave the impression that athiests are beneath him. I'm NOT an athiest and even I got offended by that.

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Honestly I don't even know why I care about this at all, I love this country but ALL of our politicians are corrupt as hell and I can't really say one of them is really any better than the others. Atleast Ron Paul seems honest to me.

[Vteckidd]

i really dont see th3e connection.

He said "I think a person who doesnt believe in god terrifies me because he misunderstands how weak the human being can be".

His statement means that he believes that people who believe in god are better equipped to deal with adversity (hence the AA reference) than those who believe in nothing. He was merely saying that the pressure you deal with in the White House would be better off with someone who belives that who doesnt.

WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT.

He didnt say "ATHEISTS ARE MORONS AND IM BETTER"

[RL...]

i really dont see th3e connection.

He said "I think a person who doesnt believe in god terrifies me because he misunderstands how weak the human being can be".

His statement means that he believes that people who believe in god are better equipped to deal with adversity (hence the AA reference) than those who believe in nothing. He was merely saying that the pressure you deal with in the White House would be better off with someone who belives that who doesnt.

WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT.

He didnt say "ATHEISTS ARE MORONS AND IM BETTER"

those 2 statements seem identical to me. Because one is a believer he can deal with the pressure, which a person of non belief simply cannot manage because they are too puny and weak without God to be able to be a leader.

[Vteckidd]

those 2 statements seem identical to me. Because one is a believer he can deal with the pressure, which a person of non belief simply cannot manage because they are too puny and weak without God to be able to be a leader.

ok i see how YOU get there, i just dont. I dont take it that literal i guess. I will agree there was some condescension in his tone, which newt has a habit of doing.

I personally do not agree with his statement, i know atheists who are much more of a moral character than my "religious" friends.

However, lets be honest, no Atheist will EVER get elected president, not in our lifetime. Thats just because there are too many religious people who wouldnt vote for someone like that. BUt, then again, people said Romney being mormon was a problem, i dont think it is as big an issue as some made it out to be, certainly doesnt bother me.

Secondly, Atheists have a HORRIBLE track record for attacking christian beliefs. Filing lawsuits against state courts with "GOD" on a picture in the rotunda, or going after people who greet with MERRY CHRISTMAS at a private corporation, all kinds of rediculous acts. The atheists are JUST AS INTOLERANT as the Christians they talk ill about.

Newt is catholic (converted IIRC) and his feeling is atheists would bother him if they got elected president. Thats his belief, just like you believe people like Bachmann and Santorum (religious nuts) are unfit to serve . I personally despise the GOP religious right who is against gay marriage and like to talk down to non christians.

But it is what it is, just dont vote for them.

Honestly, its such a miniscule issue, no one cares, the issue is economy, and thats all that will matter in 2012.

[RL...]

You missed my point. I'm not FOR an athiest president. I don't give a shit if the president is black white christian muslim or whatever. The point is that it should NOT MATTER. Presidential qualification has nothing to do with spiritual perspective. For some reason the idea to NOT discriminate eludes so many.

The economy is all that mattered in 08 and look where we are now...in more debt. lmao I just think we need an honest, smart leader.

[blaknoize]

Don't be scared LOL post it

I replied to nelson's message somehow, so it was removed.

[BanginJimmy]

For some reason the idea to NOT discriminate eludes so many.

Wait, you means Christians shouldnt judge people that dont follow their own belief system? I dont think thats ever happened before.



The economy is all that mattered in 08 and look where we are now...in more debt. lmao I just think we need an honest, smart leader.

Come on now, you know its all George Bush's fault. If it wasnt for George Bush, the Senate would have proposed, argued, and passed a budget for the last 3 years.