A clearly needed reminder to the Import crowd.

[Sinfix_15]

http://annromick.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/july_152009_day_2_ess-curve_sign_road_trip_1051.jpg This sign wont save you from getting your ass ripped by a mustang.


http://shelbygt500review.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Shelby-GT500-Side-View1.jpg
http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/14514542/mmfp_0903_10_z+steeda_q500+sideview.jpg
http://www.car-wallpapers.ws/saleen-mustang/Saleen-Mustang-09-1024.jpg
http://www.automobilesreview.com/uploads/2009/03/roush-2010-427r-mustang-02.jpg
http://www.mustang.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/gt500ss.jpg
http://cdn-www.rsportscars.com/images/ford/2000-ford-svt-mustang-cobra-r/svtcobrar00_09_w800.jpg
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af188/D_FL8/m5lp_0903_04_ztwin_turbocharged_200.jpg

[Scotsman]

i am in love with the new laguna seca model

[Go_Fast]

laguna seca's are sick i love the two different keys

[SHHHH]

I always get a chuckle when I see people poking fun at domestics not being able to turn. Some people are very misinformed.

[CSquared]

This sign wont save you from getting your ass ripped by a mustang.

Dude how many times did you post in my thread about taking a used 240 over a mustang any day because for the same money you could outperform it in every aspect? Now you're a fan boy of the new mustang?

I think someone just likes to stir shit... or hear themselves talk. :yes:

For reference:


I'm just comparing $ vs $, even if you took that busted up $1500 240sx, that gives you $28,500 to fix it. Said 240 would slaughter a new mustang.

If i could afford a new mustang, i would buy one and be happy with it. I cant, but for a fraction of the cost i have a 240sx that will out perform a new mustang easily. I'm a broke young guy with an avg job and money to work with and i can reach the performance of a 2010 mustang with 1/4 of the money spent. If you want a new car and all the things that come with owning a new car, buy a new car....

if you want to look good and go fast, you can do it cheaper with an old platform. rx7 looks good parked beside anything from any generation, so do a lot of other older cheaper cars.

[Drummerboy]

Dude how many times did you post in my thread about taking a used 240 over a mustang any day because for the same money you could outperform it in every aspect? Now you're a fan boy of the new mustang?

I think someone just likes to stir shit... or hear themselves talk. :yes:

For reference:

He's the new simontibbett. I completely agree. Reps!

[Western.]

Dude how many times did you post in my thread about taking a used 240 over a mustang any day because for the same money you could outperform it in every aspect? Now you're a fan boy of the new mustang?

I think someone just likes to stir shit... or hear themselves talk. :yes:

For reference:

I completely agree with this. The guy's got a 240 in his sig. And he's providing no facts to prove his point, either. All those pictures tell me nothing. They're pictures of mustangs. I could find the same pictures if I searched them. + Repped for the Cramer guy.

[boostedb16]

Dude how many times did you post in my thread about taking a used 240 over a mustang any day because for the same money you could outperform it in every aspect? Now you're a fan boy of the new mustang?

I think someone just likes to stir shit... or hear themselves talk. :yes:

For reference:looks like you didnt read this part "If i could afford a new mustang, i would buy one and be happy with it. I cant, but for a fraction of the cost i have a 240sx that will out perform a new mustang easily. I'm a broke young guy with an avg job and money to work with and i can reach the performance of a 2010 mustang with 1/4 of the money spent. If you want a new car and all the things that come with owning a new car, buy a new car...."

looks like he has always been a fan of mustangs. if you cant afford one, you cant afford one. And he is driving a import, so clearly he is talking about himself too when he posted the sign picture.

[Bacon]

GT500 > GTR

[Western.]

Sinflix: Also, what was that first post of yours on the Integra v. Mustang thread? I have a dream? What happened to that?

[SHHHH]

Sinflix: Also, what was that first post of yours on the Integra v. Mustang thread? I have a dream? What happened to that?

I dont think hes bashing imports. He's just trying to put an end to the ridiculous rumor that Mustangs do not handle as well as an import. Not spreading any import dislike , but the IRS 03-04's and the GT500's with SVT package handle very very well :goodjob:

[Western.]

Originally, he wasn't. Now he is. Mustangs are getting much better handling, and thats for sure. Car and Driver said it, Motor trend said it…Heck, I'll admit that the laguna seca model is a pure beast. Im speaking from my personal experience, and given I haven't driven either of those top models, I would not know. So I will not speak on what I have not experienced. BUT my experience has been that imports generally handle better than domestics. There are exceptions, as there are with every rule. Said mustangs are probably one them. Also, my original comment(which started this whole thing) was supposed to be a teasing, kind of "haha" comment, and the mustang fanboys took it as a dick measuring contest, which I did not mean for it to be. So I apologize for that coming off wrong. I would gladly drive a mustang, if I was offered, to settle the whole matter for myself. But I do not have any friends at the moment who drive a mustang.

[Apex i ITR]

GT500 > GTR

Maybe from a cost perspective but not a performance perspective.

I love all cars of all types.

They are nice but i esp. like people who buy them and think they are the end all and be all of performance vehicles.

[Scotsman]

laguna seca's are sick i love the two different keysyessir , thats what technology is all about!

[CHADbee]

The majority of V8 Mustangs manufactured are better performing cars in all aspects than every FWD Honda. That doesn't mean the FWD Honda's can't be modified to be fast but financially they just don't make much sense. I used to be a hardcore Honda guy and still love Honda's but I would never build another one. You can build a MUCH faster car with a lot less money going with another platform. I can put 5 grand into my stock Foxbody and run deep into the 10's or have a car that handles and stops like a pure beast.

When you get older and wiser you will learn it is much better to take a sports car and improve on it rather than take a economy car that was built for MPG and turn it into a performance car.

.....if I just had money to piss away I would have a fully restored K20'd CRX just to play with. I don't though so I choose to go with a platform that is more capable.

[Franco Tirador]

GT500 > GTR

when did they start making a mustang gtr model????

that better be what you mean, U cant be talking about the Nissan GTR

talk about stiring things up lol

[Sinfix_15]

Dude how many times did you post in my thread about taking a used 240 over a mustang any day because for the same money you could outperform it in every aspect? Now you're a fan boy of the new mustang?

I think someone just likes to stir shit... or hear themselves talk. :yes:

For reference:

LOL...... if you post searched me you would find that about 1/2 of my posts are supporting mustangs..... Dont get it twisted. I like imports. For the past few years i've been modding just imports..... but my first car when i was 16 was a mustang.... and so were the next 20 cars i owned.

[Genji-Sama]

GT500 > GTR

Gotta agree, purely on the basis that the GT500 doesn't have those stupid flappy paddles for shifting :goodjob:

[Sinfix_15]

Originally, he wasn't. Now he is. Mustangs are getting much better handling, and thats for sure. Car and Driver said it, Motor trend said it…Heck, I'll admit that the laguna seca model is a pure beast. Im speaking from my personal experience, and given I haven't driven either of those top models, I would not know. So I will not speak on what I have not experienced. BUT my experience has been that imports generally handle better than domestics. There are exceptions, as there are with every rule. Said mustangs are probably one them. Also, my original comment(which started this whole thing) was supposed to be a teasing, kind of "haha" comment, and the mustang fanboys took it as a dick measuring contest, which I did not mean for it to be. So I apologize for that coming off wrong. I would gladly drive a mustang, if I was offered, to settle the whole matter for myself. But I do not have any friends at the moment who drive a mustang.

Mustangs handling is nothing new.............. theyve been winning on the track since the 60s......... Steeda Autosport has been one of the most dominant forces in competitive racing for 23 years. Longer than you've had your driver's license. So please explain to me where this notion that mustangs cant handle came from????? your entire life Mustangs have been winning races. You've just been wearing blinders.............. and thats why i made this post.

[Sinfix_15]

I dont think hes bashing imports. He's just trying to put an end to the ridiculous rumor that Mustangs do not handle as well as an import. Not spreading any import dislike , but the IRS 03-04's and the GT500's with SVT package handle very very well :goodjob:

exactly. Everything in my driveway right now is a Nissan, i clearly have no import racism.

[Sinfix_15]

Sinflix: Also, what was that first post of yours on the Integra v. Mustang thread? I have a dream? What happened to that?

For that dream to become a reality, need people like you to be educated. There is a reason that EVERYONE who looked at that thread laughed at you.

[CHADbee]

Gotta agree, purely on the basis that the GT500 doesn't have those stupid flappy paddles for shifting :goodjob:
....I remember when I had this opinion. I literally laugh out loud now when I think about how I used to voice my opinion on something I never experienced or knew nothing about. Good times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qAJQVHzaDg

[Sinfix_15]

He's the new simontibbett. I completely agree. Reps!

dem be fightin words!!!! take it back or we cant be friends!!

[Western.]

The first thing Id like to say is that in no way did I say that mustangs can't handle. I just said that it has greatly improved of late. Second, you didn't respond to anything but the first few sentences of my previous post. Third, I am quite sorry. I was misinformed about the handling of the Mustang's handling abilities, and was not aware of the facts that you have given. I was purely making a joke, centered around the rumor we speak of, and I guess it was not very clear. I haven't been bashing Mustangs at all....at least I haven't been trying to. They're quality cars(and I've said this a few times). Saleens are sick, and I'm definitely a fan of that Laguna seca model(which I also said but was ignored). I also said in my experience , imports have handled better than domestics. Said statement was a generalization, and Im sorry if you felt like I was aiming that at Mustangs. I do apologize for my own misunderstanding, and thank you for informing me about some Mustang heritage.

[Deke]

I'd rather have a new Boss over the GT500. Both are great cars though.

But yeah, Ford has taken great strides in recent years making the Mustang do more than just a straight line.

[Genji-Sama]

....I remember when I had this opinion. I literally laugh out loud now when I think about how I used to voice my opinion on something I never experienced or knew nothing about. Good times.

[video=youtube;5qAJQVHzaDg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qAJQVHzaDg[video]

Don't get me wrong (hadn't seen video yet, just guessing what your point may be) I know the flappy paddles are far superior to standard shifting (i.e. quicker shift, less room for human error, etc..), but based purely on the fun-o-meter, standard>flappy paddles :goodjob:

*about to watch vid now*

EDIT: That build process looks pretty hardcore/detailed, i'll admit, most of it i'm lost at, but still :goodjob: , however for pure fun factor standard>flappy paddles

[AV8ter]

Don't get me wrong (hadn't seen video yet, just guessing what your point may be) I know the flappy paddles are far superior to standard shifting (i.e. quicker shift, less room for human error, etc..), but based purely on the fun-o-meter, standard>flappy paddles :goodjob:

*about to watch vid now*

EDIT: That build process looks pretty hardcore/detailed, i'll admit, most of it i'm lost at, but still :goodjob: , however for pure fun factor standard>flappy paddles

No the point Chad is trying to make is that you just need to get a ride in either of those cars before you make such a blatantly ignorant statement about the both of them.

I have both ridden in and driven a handful of very fast street cars and but really had my eyes opened when I got ride in a slightly modified 09' GTR a couple months back. Truly incredible ride. Everything about it is just perfect and for the fact that it can be yours for under 100k is just the icing on the cake. The shifting, brakes, the infinite grip, mind blowing acceleration, and of course the gorgeous interior. It all just works.

Before I got that ride in it I had the exact same mentality that you currently have. You just can't say one car is more fun than another just because of the transmission it holsters. But then again I really don't understand where you're coming from because that Integra of yours was an automatic if my memory serves me right.:thinking:

[AnthonyF]

Don't forget this pic; Mustang around around a Ferrari on 3 wheels:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/76969_10150314488375228_770645227_15639324_6693237 _n.jpg

granted most of the mustangs out there cannot handle for shit. With the right upgrades they are phenomenal cars...and I hate ford yet I drive one. lol.

[jtdb8]

He's the new simontibbett. I completely agree. Reps!

LOL:lmfao:

[SLOWR/T]

LOL it will if the dumb ass behind the wheel is only use to going in a straight line.

[Genji-Sama]

No the point Chad is trying to make is that you just need to get a ride in either of those cars before you make such a blatantly ignorant statement about the both of them.

Before I got that ride in it I had the exact same mentality that you currently have. You just can't say one car is more fun than another just because of the transmission it holsters. But then again I really don't understand where you're coming from because that Integra of yours was an automatic if my memory serves me right.:thinking:

:thinking:. I'm starting to think you just troll this forum looking for a reason to call me ignorant.

1st) I've driven a '10 GT500, it was a blast, but while i've never driven a true paddle shifter car, much less a GTR. I've used the paddle in a 7-series and it wasn't nearly as involved as standard shifting, which is why i said it wasn't as fun, not boring, just not AS fun. I imagine a GTR would be freaking awesome to drive, given the opp. i will, but my OPINION is based on experience.
2nd) I own/ed multiple cars, some manual, some not. :goodjob:,so your point?

[AV8ter]

I've driven a '10 GT500, it was a blast, but while i've never driven a true paddle shifter car, much less a GTR. I've used the paddle in a 7-series and it wasn't nearly as involved as standard shifting, which is why i said it wasn't as fun, not boring, just not AS fun. I imagine a GTR would be freaking awesome to drive, given the opp. i will, but my OPINION is based on experience.
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Ok, well here you are comparing a purpose built mustang to a family sedan(very large one at that). I couldn't possibly imagine which one you would have more fun in...

[Sinfix_15]

here's the reason some mustangs cant handle.

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm309/islandex/c734c94d.jpg
http://images.mustang50magazine.com/eventcoverage/m5lp_0703_05_z+NMRA_columbus_racing_event+fox_body _mustang.jpg
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgXfwcSNwmuB1Un15hgLy_ZDzAr0qXw nwhKDj6q8MpFyODhyPJNq-05U6R8A
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj18/nos306/005.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/lt1camaroman93/Car1.jpg
http://images.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0607_01z+ford_mustang_drag_race+fox_body_whee l_hop.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/jason87_us/stuff/foxWheelie.jpg
http://www.skspeed.com/images-dyn/CustomerRides/80.jpg

[Genji-Sama]

Ok, well here you are comparing a purpose built mustang to a family sedan(very large one at that). I couldn't possibly imagine which one you would have more fun in...

Yes, there's a significant power/purpose difference, but i was comparing how involved the driving experience was with each car. Don't get me wrong, not saying the GTR sux b/c of the paddles, i'm just saying based on my experience with the paddles in the 7-series, and my experiences with any other standard transmission, the driving process feels much more involved. For me involved = fun and fun is how i choose what cars i would rather own. Not saying one is better or worse. If the question had been R34 or GTR, i'd pick the R34 for the same reason, tho logically the GTR is leagues better, i'd love to own both, but in order R34>GT500>GTR :goodjob:

[CHADbee]

Yes, there's a significant power/purpose difference, but i was comparing how involved the driving experience was with each car. Don't get me wrong, not saying the GTR sux b/c of the paddles, i'm just saying based on my experience with the paddles in the 7-series, and my experiences with any other standard transmission, the driving process feels much more involved. For me involved = fun and fun is how i choose what cars i would rather own. Not saying one is better or worse. If the question had been R34 or GTR, i'd pick the R34 for the same reason, tho logically the GTR is leagues better, i'd love to own both, but in order R34>GT500>GTR :goodjob:

This is what I am talking about. You drove a BMW that was an automatic with paddle shifters. That is no where near the same as the gearbox in the GT-R.

[Genji-Sama]

This is what I am talking about. You drove a BMW that was an automatic with paddle shifters. That is no where near the same as the gearbox in the GT-R.

Lol, okay. I recant my statement, til i drive a GTR :goodjob: or another proper flappy paddle car

[bullet67]

Ill admit Im a bit of a muscle car racist. Probably due to never owning anything close to a muscle car well ever Honda is much more fun "TO ME". For about half the price when done right.

[Sinfix_15]

Ill admit Im a bit of a muscle car racist. Probably due to never owning anything close to a muscle car well ever Honda is much more fun "TO ME". For about half the price when done right.

Here's another common misconception. Hondas are cheaper than Mustangs. Everything for a foxbody is cheap and easy. You can have your foxbody suspension race ready with a hammer, cutting wheel and welder. The parts needed to build a nitrous ready engine cost about $500.

[Apex i ITR]

Here's another common misconception. Hondas are cheaper than Mustangs. Everything for a foxbody is cheap and easy. You can have your foxbody suspension race ready with a hammer, cutting wheel and welder. The parts needed to build a nitrous ready engine cost about $500.

Is that a selling feature. LOL. I like my car to NOT look like a hack job.

Did the previous poster compare a GTR trans to a 7 series Bimmer? WOW.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the paddle shifting in a GTR is on par or better then Ferrari/Lambo/(Insert ridiculously overpriced exotic machinery here).

[Apex i ITR]

The majority of V8 Mustangs manufactured are better performing cars in all aspects than every FWD Honda. That doesn't mean the FWD Honda's can't be modified to be fast but financially they just don't make much sense. I used to be a hardcore Honda guy and still love Honda's but I would never build another one. You can build a MUCH faster car with a lot less money going with another platform. I can put 5 grand into my stock Foxbody and run deep into the 10's or have a car that handles and stops like a pure beast.

When you get older and wiser you will learn it is much better to take a sports car and improve on it rather than take a economy car that was built for MPG and turn it into a performance car.

.....if I just had money to piss away I would have a fully restored K20'd CRX just to play with. I don't though so I choose to go with a platform that is more capable.


Honda guy at heart. I will be building one more with a K series motor in it for my son and thats my honda swan song.

[Sinfix_15]

Is that a selling feature. LOL. I like my car to NOT look like a hack job.

Did the previous poster compare a GTR trans to a 7 series Bimmer? WOW.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the paddle shifting in a GTR is on par or better then Ferrari/Lambo/(Insert ridiculously overpriced exotic machinery here).

What makes it a hack job? just stating that a lot of those foxbodies you see doing wheel stands and running 6s down at the local 1/8 mile have these under their car
http://3.7mustang.com/vb/attachments/f8/11157d1052437354-ford-racing-hd-rear-upper-control-arms-uppers.jpg

vs paying for something like this
http://www.vexmotorsports.com/assets/images/blackworks/combo/beaks-blackworks-ek.jpg

Nothing in the mustang suspension needs to be changed. You can weld the torque boxes, seem weld, box in the control arms, and use factory springs... in bang for the buck, nothing tops a mustang.

[Western.]

in bang for the buck, nothing tops a mustang.

That's a very debatable statement right there…just saying. :goodjob:

[Sinfix_15]

That's a very debatable statement right there…just saying. :goodjob:

jump in your prelude, meet me @ phenix motorsports park and lets debate it.

[Bacon]

That's a very debatable statement right there…just saying. :goodjob:

There are plenty of cars that you can choose from that will outrun a Mustang given enough money to do so. The new Cobras are nearly perfect for every type of competition as they are modified exceptionally well from the factory. It doesn't take much to make an already quick Mustang even quicker.

[Genji-Sama]

That's a very debatable statement right there…just saying. :goodjob:

jump in your prelude, meet me @ phenix motorsports park and lets debate it.

Ooooooh, you just got served! :goodjob:

[RUFFIAN]

I don't know why Import guys can't get past the "bang for the buck" aspect of Stangs. Speaking as someone who has owned multiple imports and a couple Stangs, it's hard to top the performance you get for the low dollars with a Stang. To be honest, neither Japanese nor American cars tend to out handle European front engine rear wheel drive cars out of the box. They all have positives and negatives.

[Western.]

jump in your prelude, meet me @ phenix motorsports park and lets debate it.

Haha touché good sir. I wasn't saying any one specific car is better, I was purely making a general statement. I'll admit it, your 240 would run circles around this Prelude because you've put 10x the work into it.

[Apex i ITR]

What makes it a hack job? just stating that a lot of those foxbodies you see doing wheel stands and running 6s down at the local 1/8 mile have these under their car

Nothing in the mustang suspension needs to be changed. You can weld the torque boxes, seem weld, box in the control arms, and use factory springs... in bang for the buck, nothing tops a mustang.

This is the reason I said what I did.


You can have your foxbody suspension race ready with a hammer, cutting wheel and welder

No disrespect but I hear hammer and cutting wheel I think permanent changes.

I don't know a whole lot about mustangs and even less about fox bodies admittedly. So you harm intended.

[AnthonyF]

Here's another common misconception. Hondas are cheaper than Mustangs. Everything for a foxbody is cheap and easy. You can have your foxbody suspension race ready with a hammer, cutting wheel and welder. The parts needed to build a nitrous ready engine cost about $500.Depends on Honda and Mustang of course. I got my Cobra for a STEAL of a price. But this argument is kinda dumb. You can take any car and with the right amount of funds have it handle better than most any car.


Oh and the argument with the silly GTR trans... T56 or bust.

[David88vert]

Is that a selling feature. LOL. I like my car to NOT look like a hack job.

This is the reason I said what I did.
No disrespect but I hear hammer and cutting wheel I think permanent changes.
I don't know a whole lot about mustangs and even less about fox bodies admittedly. So you harm intended.

Nothing is hacked up on my foxbody. It is a DD and at least cleaner than 95% of the cars on this forum. I'll run any non-hacked-up, stock weight Honda car on this site.

[Apex i ITR]

Like i said my knowledge on fox bodies is limited so thats my bad.

[metalmatt47]

I dont think hes bashing imports. He's just trying to put an end to the ridiculous rumor that Mustangs do not handle as well as an import. Not spreading any import dislike , but the IRS 03-04's and the GT500's with SVT package handle very very well :goodjob:


+Reps


Why does everyone on IA have to assume everyone's talking shit about each other? This is no pissing contest. A proper Mustang has balls and can corner like a beast. Anyone that's ever driven one knows this.

[Western.]

I just got all worked up for no reason, and I'll admit that. I've never driven a mustang, let alone a "proper" mustang, so I would not know. Hopefully, one day I will get the opportunity to drive one.

[Sinfix_15]

I just got all worked up for no reason, and I'll admit that. I've never driven a mustang, let alone a "proper" mustang, so I would not know. Hopefully, one day I will get the opportunity to drive one.

Most people who hate on them havnt. It's impossible not to appreciate them when you've owned them. There's a reason the Mustang is the #1 selling sports car since 1965.

[Genji-Sama]

I just got all worked up for no reason, and I'll admit that. I've never driven a mustang, let alone a "proper" mustang, so I would not know. Hopefully, one day I will get the opportunity to drive one.

I'll admit i didn't much like them either til i got to drive a few. I'm still not in love with the average stang, but as a "sports" car is pretty stout ( sans the live rear axel) :goodjob: