trying to choose a cam

[jdmkiller]

im going back and forth with the Blox HSL or P1 cams. Wondering which one will get me to the 230whp goal.

[1civic]

Well that's a bunch of info you gave us...LOL

Post the setup;

Bore
Stroke
compression
Head
Intake
Header

Need more info Homie...

[jdmkiller]

B20 84.5mm, stock stroke, 12 to 1
gsr head
blox IM, 68mm TB
PLM v.2 header

[1civic]

Go to a victor X or atleast port the Blox.. 70mm TB and No less than a Pro2 cam.. 230 is a big number!!

s300 and a good tuner will get you close!!

Is this motor together yet?

[Black4DrEK]

Ported head?

[h22 jones]

Lower your goals or spend a lot more money being serious.

[jdmkiller]

i plan on getting the head ported with a 3 angle valve job and no the engine is not put together yet

[h22 jones]

That would help a lot man and my dad does great work.

[jdmkiller]

whats his shop and how much does he usually charge?

[h22 jones]

It's my shop southern speed . He normally charges 700 to port and polish plus port match intake and header. He has done a lot of high hp motors on this site just to look around. Call him when you get a chance 478-935-2966

I think Nemos motor made 251 with our head . H series
There is a boosted d series making 480 with our head . We just did another one for him to make more power
Our car makes 252 With our head and my build will be done some should be close to 300 hp h series.

[Jdm94Coupe]

It's my shop southern speed . He normally charges 700 to port and polish plus port match intake and header. He has done a lot of high hp motors on this site just to look around. Call him when you get a chance 478-935-2966

I think Nemos motor made 251 with our head . H series
There is a boosted d series making 480 with our head . We just did another one for him to make more power
Our car makes 252 With our head and my build will be done some should be close to 300 hp h series.

u forgot about me..... oh yea i havent told anybody the #'s, lol..... anyhow, his dad does rediculous work!!! i will vouch for him 1000% percent.

[DarKStaR]

u forgot about me..... oh yea i havent told anybody the #'s, lol..... anyhow, his dad does rediculous work!!! i will vouch for him 1000% percent.
Do tell do tell, i saw it after he got done with it.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Do tell do tell, i saw it after he got done with it.

jimmy hasnt tuned it yet, he will when i switch to s300.....but it hit my goal of 500, in process of new shell and d2b now..... probably wasnt my car u were thinking about

[DarKStaR]

I was talking about the head after mikes dad got done with it...

[Jdm94Coupe]

I was talking about the head after mikes dad got done with it...

ohhh my bad.... yea the head is beautiful..... works great with bisimoto's 3.6 camshaft.....

[DarKStaR]

To the OP, get the head ported to take advantage of a bigger cam. Pro2 might be a good cam to go with just check your clearances

[Jdm94Coupe]

Also OP, if u need pics of his work I can shoot u some as I'm sure others can as well. I vouch for his work and him being a good person, I don't like ppl working on my shit that are assholes and that's the 100% truth. Customer service is #1 in my book, that's why I don't deal with some ppl and some particular shops.

[h22 jones]

My bad man just a couple right off the top of my head . He'll we been texting all day and I still forgot lmao.

[112480]

230 is a big number!!

Yea on a B series.....lol:taun:

[112480]

It's my shop southern speed . He normally charges 700 to port and polish plus port match intake and header. He has done a lot of high hp motors on this site just to look around. Call him when you get a chance 478-935-2966

I think Nemos motor made 251 with our head . H series
There is a boosted d series making 480 with our head . We just did another one for him to make more power
Our car makes 252 With our head and my build will be done some should be close to 300 hp h series.

H,D series port work=h22jones and his dad=SUCCESS:goodjob:

[112480]

jimmy hasnt tuned it yet, he will when i switch to s300.....but it hit my goal of 500, in process of new shell and d2b now..... probably wasnt my car u were thinking about

What! Ay man u didn't call and tell me the numbers! That's ok...... We got a 40-120 run coming right?:yes:

[112480]

To the OP, good luck on ur build man:goodjob:

[Jdm94Coupe]

What! Ay man u didn't call and tell me the numbers! That's ok...... We got a 40-120 run coming right?:yes:

Yea when its back together, lol.... ima send u some pics soon. Trynna make a few deals happen......

[jerseyef9]

230 is cake homie. Stock port with pro2s victor x mani 70mm tb and big tube header. Very good tuner easy power . 230 b20v is walk in a park. Gl homie.

[h22 jones]

230 b series cake ? Tell me how many 230 hp b series dynos you have seen ? Not being a dick it is possible but not your everyday build and not cake . 6,000 or 7,000 grand isn't cake . I'm also not a big fan of the b20 crank . All the big hp b series I've seen make there power from reeving a ls crank which you can't do a b20 they want handle it.

[Black4DrEK]

It is easy to say, When you havent done it or nearly never seen it.. smh. 230 is Very possible but not easy. 200-215 in a B series is NICE. You wont be disappointed with that. Gl with the build.

[1civic]

230 b series cake ? Tell me how many 230 hp b series dynos you have seen ? Not being a dick it is possible but not your everyday build and not cake . 6,000 or 7,000 grand isn't cake . I'm also not a big fan of the b20 crank . All the big hp b series I've seen make there power from reeving a ls crank which you can't do a b20 they want handle it.

both ls and b20 are 89mm Homie, gsr is 87.2mm.. 220hp is much easier with a b20, only because it has a 84mm bore... Sleeve an Ls block and go 84/85 and you will have the same result if not better...

My race motor would look like this; Sleeved ls/vtec or b20/v, if that's what you have!!

86x89mm 14:2 w/E85
Wiseco Pistons
Carrillo A beam rod
PortFlow head(GSR) and pro3's
BMC or Magnus intake
TODA or Hytech header
1000cc injectors

Many combos to run though, for street I would do this;

84x89mm 12:5 to 1 on 93
wisco/CP depends on budget..
any h beam rod, eagle, BC, etc.. Unless you got money for the light rod!!
Stock GSR head or ported if you can afford it
Ported ITR, shunk2 or AEBS intake
Pro2's or 3's
Hytech or Toda header
450/550cc injectors


Each to their own, but just listing my 2cents, no pun!!

[h22 jones]

So it's the sleeves of the b20 that are weak ? I'm not a b series person you know that Bobby lol. You also know that there is a big difference between being able to do something and it being easy . He'll plenty of money drop it off at a shop and don't touch it is easy lol. I've seen to many b series built barely making 200 to say 230 is easy. He'll you have a very nice set up to me Bobby but it still hasn't hit 230 .

To the op look in the all motor registry and there is a 227 hp b series build fairly new copy his ingredients .

[Bacon]

I agree with a 230hp B20/vtec. Possible but very expensive. Hope you are doing something with the sleeves


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[1civic]

So it's the sleeves of the b20 that are weak ? I'm not a b series person you know that Bobby lol. You also know that there is a big difference between being able to do something and it being easy . He'll plenty of money drop it off at a shop and don't touch it is easy lol. I've seen to many b series built barely making 200 to say 230 is easy. He'll you have a very nice set up to me Bobby but it still hasn't hit 230 .

To the op look in the all motor registry and there is a 227 hp b series build fairly new copy his ingredients .

Yes, b20 sleeves are the weak link.. No pun like I said, many setups will net you a bit over 200, but like anything it cost money to go fast..

Here is a Cheap setup for anyone to clear 200 easy!!

B20 block, arp rod bolts
RS machined ITR pistons or a 84+mm b16 piston
GSR head w/ITR springs and retainers.. or even BLOX..
Pro1, pro 2, or blox c cam
Itr, Blox, aebs, skunk2 intake
440cc or bigger injector

Not a fan of b16 heads only because they need to rev out to make power, GSR seems to work better for mid-range,and flow fine to 9K, not only that but you pick up compression... Just my 2 cents..

[Bacon]

Under the all motor section on Honda-tech, look at one of the stickies for the official all motor dyno thread. There are several b20/vtec builds. Look through their parts list and see how close you are.

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[h22 jones]

B16 heads has always been what everybody wants I'm not sure why. Have you ever compared them with a gsr ? The ports are way smaller no way I would choose one over a gsr that's just me.

[1civic]

B16 heads has always been what everybody wants I'm not sure why. Have you ever compared them with a gsr ? The ports are way smaller no way I would choose one over a gsr that's just me.

Most every motor I built would be a DD, not a Race Motor... Race head would not matter cause the combustion cambers are welded, it's ported on intake and exh.. GSR head to me works well for mid-range,and topend, it flows well, it's not always the size homie!!
It can see 220-230 with a stock port, mine is stock!!:goodjob:

But yes;
We flow tested a b16 and a GSR head back in the day, and they flowed the same amount... Just some food for thought:taun:

:cheers:

[1civic]

Mike jones!!! Your making me give up to much info now....LOL

3 factors I like out the box... stock vs stock!!

1) Gsr head will net Higher Compression
2) Gsr head has a straighter port
3) Gsr head has a square combustion chamber less likely for detonation

[1civic]

And people want proof so here it is...

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/HEADFLOW.gif

[h22 jones]

I understand air speed and all that . My point is the same one that you are making I would prefer the gsr head over the b16 . As far as adding compression and all that I understand your reasoning there also unless you can get to the compression you want anyway then no need to choose one head over the other for compression. I've read different stories on the flow numbers between the two heads but no need to argue when I don't care lol. I will say this if gsr ports are bigger they will flow more air period.

I still don't know why anyone would prefer a b16 head over a gsr that is my question.

[1civic]

I understand air speed and all that . My point is the same one that you are making I would prefer the gsr head over the b16 . As far as adding compression and all that I understand your reasoning there also unless you can get to the compression you want anyway then no need to choose one head over the other for compression. I've read different stories on the flow numbers between the two heads but no need to argue when I don't care lol. I will say this if gsr ports are bigger they will flow more air period.

I still don't know why anyone would prefer a b16 head over a gsr that is my question.

Ok, I see... It's the whole ITR thing, if it says PR3 they can claim ITR....LMAO!!!

[h22 jones]

I see got ya.

[1civic]

I see got ya.

That was sopose to make you laugh... :(

It's always been out that the b16 is a better flowing head.. SMH... Itr is the one to have (stock vs stock)... ;)

What does your dad think?

[h22 jones]

He hasn't seen any of them.

[1civic]

He hasn't seen any of them.


O, I thought he ported some...

[Jdm94Coupe]

Why do yo guys keep talking about the b20 sleeves? You are talking about n/a.... you will not crack a b20 sleeve with a n/a setup. Hell a lot of ppl run over 400+whp in their turbo setups. The weak point about the b20 is the rod bolts. But if you are getting rods then you are good to go. And to everybody that doesn't know, the b20 block is the exact same block as a ls except for the bore size, that's all! So the crank and stroke and everything else is exactly the same. You see more "ls" cranks in builds because they are easier to find and produced a lot more b18a/b motors......

[h22 jones]

Cool. Like I said I'm no bseries guy .

[Bacon]

B20 = thin walls regardless of n/a or boost.

Also boring .5mm over? Thinner....

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[jerseyef9]

Like I stated before 230 with b20v is easy. as for me doing it myself is inrelevant so you just sound ignorant. If you wanna touch a nerve pinch yourself. Build a motor that don't blow up or can beat stock set up. If you know what works 230 is easy as hell. B series is just over look. Mike not being a dick either stick to h thanks. Man if u need help pm me

[1civic]

Like I stated before 230 with b20v is easy. as for me doing it myself is inrelevant so you just sound ignorant. If you wanna touch a nerve pinch yourself. Build a motor that don't blow up or can beat stock set up. If you know what works 230 is easy as hell. B series is just over look. Mike not being a dick either stick to h thanks. Man if u need help pm me

Well help me then, dang!!! LOL

[Vteckidd]

Ok, I see... It's the whole ITR thing, if it says PR3 they can claim ITR....LMAO!!!

considering an ITR head is a P73, nice try. only noobs make that mistake :P

PR3 is the casting , ITR head is stamped with an "R" next to the PR3

[Vteckidd]

to answer everyones question though, the B20 sleeves are weak, but not all motor wise. Not unless you bore it.

FACT: Honda service manual calls for THROWING AWAY b20 block if the bore is out of round. Every other B Series calls for an over bore 10-20 thou. B20 does not. What does that tell you.

B20 block in good condition with no bore, i know PERSONALLY people making legit 240+ numbers on stock sleeves. So its totally capable of that. I would NOT BORE any b20 block though ever.

Turbo wise, ive seen 260whp B20 blocks with a tiny turbo pop at less than 9psi.

There is no question they are weak, and weaker than the other B series motors. The rod bolts are the same as LS so yes they are weak unless you replace them with ARP. They are not made to rev past 7400 in stock configuration. But ive seen people keep their LS/b20/vtecs under 7800 and last YEARS.

as far as 230whp B Series + go, there has only been 5 or LESS confirmed motors in the Atlanta area ever. (Me, Streetstuff, Chip, Jason from Balanced, maybe someone else). So unless people have confirmed dynoes, its been a handful of people so all this talk about race motors and "should coulda woulda built this" is just talk because parts lists on paper DOES NOT EQUAL POWER.

Im sure there have been some people locally that probably made over 230, and just arent on the forums, but even then its very very very few.

To be fair, several simple H22s have broken 230 with ease.

[Vteckidd]

230 is cake homie. Stock port with pro2s victor x mani 70mm tb and big tube header. Very good tuner easy power . 230 b20v is walk in a park. Gl homie.

no its not. 220 is a far cry from 230, and 240 is a long way from 230.

There is a reason i can name the 230+ HP club with a B Series on one hand.

Furthermore , if you knew anything about NA power, the Victor X sucks balls, the PERFORMER X is what most people want and run, or the AEBS/Skunk2 manifold. PRO2s CAN make the power but PRo3s are 10+hp better. I know, because i tested them against each other FIRST.

Dont mislead people

[Black4DrEK]

LOL




AMEN

[1civic]

considering an ITR head is a P73, nice try. only noobs make that mistake :P

PR3 is the casting , ITR head is stamped with an "R" next to the PR3



I'll bet any amount of money that your a dumb fuck, I got one in the EX coupe, so yes I have prove, and yes I'll take it apart.. No where does it say R nwxt to PR3...

ITR is a B16 head casting pulled straight from the assembly line, then is it hand ported ONLY behind the valves(steeper valve angle), a lighter intake valve(thinner stem), dual springs on both sides(itr intake= yellow..itr exhaust= blue), different LMA's(blue dot) and cams, That's it!!

Honda never stamped a R on the head maybe the rails, but I doubt you even knew that, only did they put the green paint by the dizzy, so the out sides look the same...

They have a - 1,2,3,4 next to the PR3 B16 head so ITR can be a PR3-X, 2,3,4..

But If you wanna bet some money I'll Bring the Coupe out which has a real ITR swap in it.. I have no problem proving the differences in person!!

Just because you don't understand what i'm writing don't mean I'm a noob, take my bet, 500 says you don't find an R on the out-side casting of this ITR head in the Coupe(95 ex).

Pics for those who don't know!! ITR port work, yes it's an ITR head.. PR3 casting!!
http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/TypeRhead-1.jpg

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/typerhead_code.jpg

[1civic]

Vteckidd, please post proof of this ITR head which has PR3-R...

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/images1.jpg

You did say that, did you not...
ITR head is stamped with an "R" next to the PR3




AND YOU CALL ME THE NOOB!!!!!!!!!!! Bahahahahahah


http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/258troll_spray_375.jpg

[Vteckidd]

Ive had the ITR head from a 2001 head, it is stamped "R". Id be happy to show it to you but its on Lengs car he sold to some guy in NC.

Theres other ways to tell an ITR head FYI, not just casting. serial number and production date also narrow it down.

Im sure you own a ITR head if you say so, but ive seen multiple ones stamped "R" next to the casting

[Vteckidd]

Also, only the early models were hand ported IIRC, later models (00-01) were machine cast same as b16. So youre half right.

Maybe only 00-01 have "R" on it. no idea.

I never called you a noob so shut the fuck up with your "bet me money" bullshit , i doubt you have $500 to wager anyway. And id knock the shit out of you for talking like that you know that. So calm down before i back hand you. I was also teasing you considering i put the ":P" in so calm down before you have a heart attack

For reference, that first picture you posted, above the LEFT port was where my head was stamped "R" and it was kinda sideways. Thats where seans head was stamped R, and so was jensons.

I HAVE seen ITR heads without the "R" stamp, so maybe it was a JDM thing. OR maybe it was for remanufactured heads. Mine came straight from honda in 2005 after my gf got a factory new replacement motor.

[1civic]

Ive had the ITR head from a 2001 head, it is stamped "R". Id be happy to show it to you but its on Lengs car he sold to some guy in NC.

Theres other ways to tell an ITR head FYI, not just casting. serial number and production date also narrow it down.

Im sure you own a ITR head if you say so, but ive seen multiple ones stamped "R" next to the casting

The heads were CNC ported, not hand ported... Your half right, but only from 00/01 one was this done..


FYI I'm not your bitch, but I will promise this, if you see me in person you better knock me out, if not you will soon see after what fire feels like on the big ass head!!

Just sayin!!

[Vteckidd]

Bobby that pic you found is off google by the way.

http://images.geekazoids.net/head_code.jpg

Just so its not far fetched, Honda stamped other parts "R" as well. like the rods
http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/rods/B18C_rods_1.jpg

SOME of the crank girdles IIRC had the R Stamp as well.

I dont know what to tell you but im not lieing, and i dont think you are either. But my head was stamped "R" and it was authentic ITR. I was just making an offhanded comment

[jerseyef9]

Well help me then, dang!!! LOL

Bobby you no rookie shut up lol

[1civic]

Just so its not far fetched, Honda stamped other parts "R" as well. like the rods


SOME of the crank girdles IIRC had the R Stamp as well.

I dont know what to tell you but im not lieing, and i dont think you are either. But my head was stamped "R" and it was authentic ITR. I was just making an offhanded comment

Mike I know about rods and stamps of R, but my point was honda does not stamp the head PR3-R.... Good try tho!!

[1civic]

considering an ITR head is a P73, nice try. only noobs make that mistake :P

PR3 is the casting , ITR head is stamped with an "R" next to the PR3

This is what you wrote, again calling me a noob, or so I took it that way...

[Vteckidd]

Mike I know about rods and stamps of R, but my point was honda does not stamp the head PR3-R.... Good try tho!!

well im pretty sure my head was from HONDA since i ordered it from Baranco Acura and it was a P73 longblock. And it had "R" stamped on it.

Also, as i have stated, i have seen several OTHER Type-R heads with the same stamp. I also stated that i have seen heads NOT stamped "R" that were in fact from a Type-R. I was merely showing that Honda does in fact stamp pieces with the "R" and i have seen it. IM sorry i dont take pics of every head ive owned over the years. I also said that maybe the "R" was for "remanufactured" or "reissued" since my head came from honda long after the ITR was out of production (was ordered in 2005). But that doesnt explain the other heads ive seen unless honda put "R"s on heads that were sold OUTSIDE a car (IE ordered from honda and not pulled from a car). I know my GFs block said "R" too and it came with no vin number because it was from the factory.

But besides that, it really wasnt meant to start an argument, it was just an off color statement, that you took way too seriously. Because again, i cant post anything without you being a jackass trying to prove something.

Its really pathetic. Get some confidence man. Must have been picked on when you were little

[1civic]

well im pretty sure my head was from HONDA since i ordered it from Baranco Acura and it was a P73 longblock. And it had "R" stamped on it.

Also, as i have stated, i have seen several OTHER Type-R heads with the same stamp. I also stated that i have seen heads NOT stamped "R" that were in fact from a Type-R. I was merely showing that Honda does in fact stamp pieces with the "R" and i have seen it. IM sorry i dont take pics of every head ive owned over the years.

But besides that, it really wasnt meant to start an argument, it was just an off color statement, that you took way too seriously. Because again, i cant post anything without you being a jackass trying to prove something.

Its really pathetic. Get some confidence man. Must have been picked on when you were little

I think you have that backwards, I was offering setup's both race and DD shit to make power... You came in with the negative shit saying 230 is far fetched, etc...

Think outside the box for a change...

[1civic]

Mike riddle me this!!

1) you say pro3 will make 10hp more than a Pro2, Right?

[1civic]

Well how about this; b20/V

84.5x89 b20 block (.10)
12.5 to 1 Rs machine pistons
Eagle rods
acl bearings
Stock unported GSR head (.10)
z10 gridle
BMC race intake (stage 1)
Blox C cams, springs and retainers
hytech header

I'm not being a dick, so debate with me here... Guess the power and TQ output, then add a pro3 to the mix, maybe a RLZ or PortFlow head...

But yes this is a real motor, good DD on pump gas(93)

[Vteckidd]

I think you have that backwards, I was offering setup's both race and DD shit to make power... You came in with the negative shit saying 230 is far fetched, etc...
Its because this forum is filled with people WHO HAVENT DONE IT yet want to post how easy it is. How can you possibly know how "easy" it is to make 230+whp WHEN YOU HAVENT EVEN DONE IT YET. Thats my point.


Think outside the box for a change...

Whoa whoa whoa motherfucker, i did think outside the box, and until you make 237/159, YOU are the one that has to catch up, not me. I already made that power, i know what it takes. So i can comment on it.

Let me know when youre in the same league then we can talk

[Vteckidd]

Mike riddle me this!!

1) you say pro3 will make 10hp more than a Pro2, Right?

no i dont say, i KNOW.

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1419428

Check the date, 2005.

Also check the plots:
PRO2 NUMBERS
257 BHP and 171TQ

PRO3 NUMBERS
267BHP and 172TQ

Engine dyno, with the best engine builder on the east coast. So yeah, im pretty confident in my statements. Because IVE ACTUALLY DYNOED BOTH CAMS on a HOT B20vtec unlike other people in this thread.

[Vteckidd]

Guess the power and TQ output

Thats the difference between me and you, i dont guess. I actually do it. I dont complain about how i dont have any money and if i did i could do it. I actually go out, spend the money, and test the stuff.

So im not going to guess.......

But traditionally, PROPERLY setup PRo2 and PRO3 cams on a properly setup 2.0l, will be around 10hp difference. PRO3 really takes off in the top end, but bottom end its pretty close to PRO3.

[1civic]

Whoa whoa whoa motherfucker, i did think outside the box, and until you make 237/159, YOU are the one that has to catch up, not me. I already made that power, i know what it takes. So i can comment on it.

Let me know when youre in the same league then we can talk

And you call me the dick, lol... you made 228 at battle ground after the fact, but you claim the higher number from MainStream.. Always seemed fishy to me, but it's all good.. Pointless going on with you, it's like a endless pit!!

Back on topic!!

[1civic]

Thats the difference between me and you, i dont guess. I actually do it. I dont complain about how i dont have any money and if i did i could do it. I actually go out, spend the money, and test the stuff.

So im not going to guess.

It's been done, sitting in my car... Without a dyno tune it made 220/150 at Midnight, dyno said 107 degrees that day!!

Want me to go to mainstream and make another 5-7hp on their dyno? Just sayin!!

Edit:

I hate to be an ass Mike, but damn if you think you king shit or something!!

I never really cared to prove people wrong on a fucking dyno, if the car runs then it's game on..

[Vteckidd]

And you call me the dick, lol... you made 228 at battle ground after the fact, but you claim the higher number from MainStream.. Always seemed fishy to me, but it's all good.. Pointless going on with you, it's like a endless pit!!

Back on topic!!

youre so stupid its like arguing with a 4th grader.

I MADE 237/159, i also made 232/152, i also made several 230+ dynoes on dyno days, and other events. that car saw OVER 300+ dyno pulls between testing headers and cams. it made 237 SEVERAL Times back to back to back. I can pull the plots from mainstream if they still have them.

I DYNOED 236 at mainstream then drove to batlground to see the difference. 30 minutes later i made 228 on their dyno. Unfortunatley all my shit was saved to WE-TODD-DID racing which is out of business so my pics dont work. but heres what it made in the first PULL of tuning

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/5944/dot9vj.jpg

See what i just did there? i posted a dyno sheet proving something. You should try it out sometime

But yes i claim the highest it ever dynoed legitly which was 237. You could do the same thing if you had a dyno plot over 230. If your car made 23X and then 6 months later the same motor just happened to dyno less, then cool. you could still say you OWNED a 230+whp motor.

but you cant do that.

I can. Nothing fishy, just the facts. I can back my shit up, you can park your shit in the driveway and dream

[Vteckidd]

It's been done, sitting in my car... Without a dyno tune it made 220/150 at Midnight, dyno said 107 degrees that day!!

Want me to go to mainstream and make another 5-7hp on their dyno? Just sayin!!

Edit:

I hate to be an ass Mike, but damn if you think you king shit or something!!

I never really cared to prove people wrong on a fucking dyno, if the car runs then it's game on..

Ok post the plots of your Pro2s vs your PRO3s. I thought you said you had BLOX Cs?

Did you actually test both cams against each other on the same day bobby? or are you using plots from months apart? do you even know how to dyno test? are you that much of a broke dick motherfucker you cant even afford to tune your car? why are you all over morris nuts if you cant even have him tune your pile of garbage? what a ricer

Ok great, when you have a dyno that breaks 230 come talk to me, you still havent come within 8whp of my LOWEST dyno on my motor LOL

go dyno your car on mainstreams dyno and see what it makes. maybe youll make less , after all their dyno doesnt have fucked up altitude readings and incorrect elevation numbers :P or maybe itll make more. Maybe youll actually be able to know what it takes to make over 230..........

but i suspect youll just bitch about how you have no money to do anything.

i think its funny you talk about all these motors to build to make power, when your claim to fame is a untuned b20vtec with blox cams and china RS machines pistons. If thats what "thinking outside the box" is , then im so glad i walked away when i did.

[Vteckidd]

Let me guess what happens next:

BLAH BLAH BLAH

IM out, off work yo! time to go to the gym, and not argue with wannabe's.

[1civic]

Ok post the plots of your Pro2s vs your PRO3s. I thought you said you had BLOX Cs?

Did you actually test both cams against each other on the same day bobby? or are you using plots from months apart? do you even know how to dyno test? are you that much of a broke dick motherfucker you cant even afford to tune your car? why are you all over morris nuts if you cant even have him tune your pile of garbage? what a ricer

Ok great, when you have a dyno that breaks 230 come talk to me, you still havent come within 8whp of my LOWEST dyno on my motor LOL

go dyno your car on mainstreams dyno and see what it makes.

Considering the last motor in the car was tuned, I trailor this new setup to Morris, we made 3-4 highway pulls got pulled over and it was done... Never did it see a dyno until the dyno day, remember the dyno was not installed, later did I help them to install it, I agreed with morris that I would buy the other parts and then dyno tune it.. Car sits cause I lost interest long ago, I don't really care to prove shit... That's the difference in me and you!!

[1civic]

Now-a-days I'd rather ride my son on his four wheeler than work on the car, but the car is here...

220hp 2000lb hatch that went 12.9... Enough proof that I know what I'm doing!!

But thanks, have a great day!!

[Vteckidd]

220hp 2000lb hatch that went 12.9... Enough proof that I know what I'm doing!!

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Congrats on building a 13 second all motor honda. Way to think outside the box. If only we all could set the bar as high as you can.

[1civic]

Congrats on building a 13 second all motor honda. Way to think outside the box. If only we all could set the bar as high as you can.

Thx, guess i'll go build another mustang, or hell I could get a TL and then add some bolt-ons, maybe add a zex kit, cause that's way out the box HUH?... GTFO you cocky prick!! You sound like every other ass who thinks they have done it all... Then you bash the honda's knowing that is your roots...LOL

[h22 jones]

I could stick to h series but I'm sure I could build a b series to make as much or more power then anybody on here. I wasn't saying its not possible but saying something is easy that only a hand full of people have done is setting somebody else up for failure. I can build a 250 hp h series all day long because its easy to me but I don't go around telling every person that is Building h series that 250 is easy because what's easy for me might not be so easy for them . Of course with enough money anything is easy.

[1civic]

I could stick to h series but I'm sure I could build a b series to make as much or more power then anybody on here. I wasn't saying its not possible but saying something is easy that only a hand full of people have done is setting somebody else up for failure. I can build a 250 hp h series all day long because its easy to me but I don't go around telling every person that is Building h series that 250 is easy because what's easy for me might not be so easy for them . Of course with enough money anything is easy.

It's always about money, how much you wanna spend.... LOL, wanna go faster, spend more money!!