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Browning151
08-14-2011, 07:24 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/14/us-pakistan-china-usa-idUSTRE77D2BT20110814


(Reuters) - Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown U.S. "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

The disclosure, if confirmed, is likely to further shake the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, which has been improving slightly after hitting its lowest point in decades following the killing of bin Laden.

During the raid, one of two modified Blackhawk helicopters, believed to employ unknown stealth capability, malfunctioned and crashed, forcing the commandos to abandon it.

"The U.S. now has information that Pakistan, particularly the ISI, gave access to the Chinese military to the downed helicopter in Abbottabad," the paper quoted a person "in intelligence circles" as saying on its website.

It said Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed aircraft as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar.

One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters there was reason to believe Pakistan had allowed the Chinese to inspect the aircraft. But the official could not confirm it happened with certainty.

No one from the Pakistani army was available for comment, but the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Pakistan's top spy agency, denied the report. The paper said Pakistan's top general, chief of army staff Ashfaq Kayani, denied that China had been given access.

The surviving tail section, photos of which were widely distributed on the Internet, was returned to the United States following a trip by U.S. Senator John Kerry in May, a spokesman for the U.S. embassy told Reuters.

Shortly after the raid, Pakistan hinted that it might give China access to the helicopter, given its fury over the raid, which it considers a grievous violation of its sovereignty.

"We had explicitly asked the Pakistanis in the immediate aftermath of the raid not to let anyone have access to the damaged remains of the helicopter," the Financial Times quoted the source as saying.

In an incident such as the helicopter crash, it is standard American procedure to destroy sophisticated technology such as encrypted communications and navigation computers.

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Pakistan is a strategic ally to the United States but the relationship has been on a downward spiral since the killing of the al Qaeda leader in the raid by U.S. forces.

Islamabad was not informed in advance and responded by cutting back on U.S. trainers in the country and placing limits on CIA activities there.

The fact that the al Qaeda chief lived for years near the Pakistani army's main academy in the northwestern garrison town of Abbottabad reinforced suspicions in Washington about Islamabad's reliability in the war against militant Islamists.

There are also growing frustrations with Pakistan over its reluctance to mount offensives against militant factions in the northwest who are fighting U.S.-led foreign forces across the border in Afghanistan.

In a show of displeasure over Pakistan's cutback in U.S. trainers, its limits on visas for U.S. personnel and other bilateral irritants, the United States has suspended about a third of its $2.7 billion annual defense aid to Pakistan.

Despite this, both sides have tried to prevent a breakdown of relations.

The head of Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Lieutenant-General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, visited the United States last month for talks with U.S. government and intelligence officials, which both sides said went well.

Despite the billions in aid, Pakistan still considers China a more reliable ally than the United States. China is a major investor in predominantly Muslim Pakistan in areas such as telecommunications, ports and infrastructure. The countries are linked by a Chinese-built road pushed through Pakistan's northern mountains.

Trade with Pakistan is worth almost $9 billion a year for Pakistan, and China is its top arms supplier.

In the wake of attacks that left 11 people dead in the China's western region of Xinjiang in late July, Pakistan dispatched the ISI's Pasha to Beijing.

(Writing and additional reporting by Chris Allbritton in Islamabad, Mark Hosenball and Phil Stewart in Washington; Editing by Rosalind Russell and Alison Williams)

And we call them an "ally"? Thoughts on this?

-EnVus-
08-14-2011, 08:25 PM
We would have done the same if china had a plane down near an ally. It just shows how behind china is in the weapons technology program as always. They are scared of what we have and build cause lots of our scientist work along side with Japan. That is a scary idea for them as is for Russia for many years.

bu villain
08-15-2011, 03:45 PM
Pakistan and the US have long been reluctant allies. We conduct covert killing missions in their country without telling them and they share our technology with China. It's a give and take relationship.

BanginJimmy
08-15-2011, 05:47 PM
Pakistan and the US have long been reluctant allies.


This is the way of the world when dealing with muslim countries. Govts in these countries need to be enough anti west to satisfy their more extreme segments, while at the same time putting enough pressure on the extremes to keep the money flowing in from the west.


China probably paid a very nice sum of cash to see those parts. In all honesty though, I dont know if they will actually learn anything significant from that portion of the aircraft. The way stealth works is not new, unknown technology. What is new and unknown on this aircraft are the reflective angles used and the rotor system. Neither of those were recovered in large enough pieces to copy.

David88vert
08-15-2011, 05:57 PM
Pakistan and the US have long been reluctant allies. We conduct covert killing missions in their country without telling them and they share our technology with China. It's a give and take relationship.
We give and they take.


China probably paid a very nice sum of cash to see those parts. In all honesty though, I dont know if they will actually learn anything significant from that portion of the aircraft. The way stealth works is not new, unknown technology. What is new and unknown on this aircraft are the reflective angles used and the rotor system. Neither of those were recovered in large enough pieces to copy.

China sells Pakistan a lot more weapons than the US does. China also pumps a lot more capital into Pakistan than the US does. Is it any wonder that China got access to the tail rotor?

Here's how I see it. China will do what it does best - make knock-offs. So, we should see their new "stealth helicopter" make it about 100 ft off the ground and then the new tailrotor will fall off....
Is anyone here really worried?

Browning151
08-15-2011, 06:44 PM
Here's how I see it. China will do what it does best - make knock-offs. So, we should see their new "stealth helicopter" make it about 100 ft off the ground and then the new tailrotor will fall off....
Is anyone here really worried?

LOL, probably something like that. I'm not so much worried about the Chinese having access to the technology as much as what this could do to further destabilize the region and put our troops at greater risk in Afghanistan if the relationship with Pakistan continues to break down.

98blackcivic
08-15-2011, 07:14 PM
theres a story pakistanis know about how amerikkka did em really dirty back in the day...
how many of yall know that story?
pakistanis are crazy ass ppl..... i dont truss em

noridetoolow
08-18-2011, 08:49 AM
Here's how I see it. China will do what it does best - make knock-offs. So, we should see their new "stealth helicopter" make it about 100 ft off the ground and then the new tailrotor will fall off....
Is anyone here really worried?

We will be able to buy the "Real American Stealth Helicopter" on ebay for $999

David88vert
08-19-2011, 09:48 AM
Problem is - it won't fly.