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Echonova
08-05-2011, 09:58 PM
The US lost it's AAA credit rating.



Credit rating agency Standard & Poor's on Friday downgraded the nation's rating for the first time since the U.S. won the top ranking in 1917. The move came after Congress haggled over budget cuts and the nation's borrowing limit -- and failed to cut enough government spending to satisfy S&P. The issue has contributed to convulsions in financial markets.
The drop in the rating by one notch to AA-plus was expected. The three main credit agencies, which also include Moody's Investor Service and Fitch, had warned during the budget fight that if Congress did not cut spending far enough, the country faced a downgrade. S&P said that it is making the move because the deficit reduction plan passed by Congress on Tuesday did not go far enough to stabilize the country's debt situation. Moody's said Friday it was keeping its AAA rating on the nation's debt, but that it might still lower it.
One of the biggest questions after the downgrade was what impact it would have on already nervous investors. Many financial analysts said investors were expecting a downgrade. But some selling was expected when stock trading resumed Monday morning. The Dow Jones industrial average fell 699 points this week, the biggest weekly point drop since October 2008.
"I think we will have a knee-jerk reaction on Monday," said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank.
One fear in the market has been that a downgrade would scare buyers away from U.S. debt. If that were to happen, the interest raid paid on U.S. bonds, notes and bills would have to rise to attract buyers. However, even without its AAA rating, U.S. debt is seen as one of the safest investments in the world. And investors clearly weren't being scared away this week. While stocks were plunging, investors were buying Treasurys. The yield on the 10-year note, which moves opposite its price, fell to a low of 2.39 percent on Thursday.
The government fought the downgrade. Administration sources familiar with the discussions contended that the S&P analysis was fundamentally flawed. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly. S&P had sent the administration a draft document in the early afternoon Friday and the administration, after examining the numbers, challenged the analysis.
In a statement, Treasury said, "A judgment flawed by a $2 trillion error speaks for itself."
S&P said that in addition to the downgrade, it is issuing a negative outlook, meaning that there was a chance it will lower the rating further within the next two years. It said such a downgrade to AA would occur if the agency sees smaller reductions in spending than Congress and the administration have agreed to make, higher interest rates or new fiscal pressures during this period.
In its statement, S&P said that it had changed its view "of the difficulties of bridging the gulf between the political parties" over a credible deficit reduction plan.
S&P said it was now "pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics anytime soon."

thepolecat
08-05-2011, 10:02 PM
I wish I could make it rain like the US gov and get away with it!

Ziptied
08-05-2011, 10:36 PM
So the US' credit rating is starting to resemble 80% of it's citizens.... Word.

Echonova
08-06-2011, 07:43 AM
Indeed...

Elbow
08-06-2011, 08:55 AM
I love AAA they have saved me so many times. Sucks the US lost some of the perks. I think I still have like three free tows left.

Ziptied
08-06-2011, 11:28 AM
I've solved the nations money problems... Politicians go back to no salary, as it's a public service. So no salary, and a term cap for ALL offices, even local city councils and school boards.

Problem is, it will never happen.

BanginJimmy
08-06-2011, 06:01 PM
One thing the article doesnt mention is that there are a lot of very conservative mutual funds and retirement funds that do not allow the purchase of bonds with less than a AAA rating. This alone could cause a rise in interest rates paid on our debt as less and less treasuries would be purchased.


The worst part about this entire spending problem is that too many people still think its a joke. Everyone just assumes that the US can borrow and spend endlessly with no adverse effects on their life. These same people are STILL saying the govt needs to give more people handouts.

98blackcivic
08-06-2011, 06:13 PM
i honestly have no idea what u ppl are talkin about or what is going on...

Ziptied
08-06-2011, 06:27 PM
@ Jimmy, this is why we are moving to Europe.

@ civic owner, I'm not surprised.

BanginJimmy
08-06-2011, 06:39 PM
@ Jimmy, this is why we are moving to Europe.


I recently applied for and was turned down for a job in India for 5 years.

Europe is in even worse shape than the US though. There is a lot of talk now that the Euro and the EU will collapse if one or both of Italy and Spain drop over the same cliff that Greece dropped over.

Echonova
08-06-2011, 06:47 PM
Canada... We can cross the border illegally and mooch off their health system and infrastructure, and then call them racist if they try to deport us.

BanginJimmy
08-06-2011, 06:59 PM
Canada... We can cross the border illegally and mooch off their health system and infrastructure, and then call them racist if they try to deport us.

This is a proven option. I will look into it when the economy crashes this fall.

Ziptied
08-06-2011, 07:08 PM
Canada... We can cross the border illegally and mooch off their health system and infrastructure, and then call them racist if they try to deport us.

We don't need a passport to get in, just to get back.

98blackcivic
08-06-2011, 07:14 PM
Canada... We can cross the border illegally and mooch off their health system and infrastructure, and then call them racist if they try to deport us.

what i was thinking

Echonova
08-06-2011, 11:07 PM
We don't need a passport to get in, just to get back.Good point. However, if you're escaping in a "work truck" be careful... I was working in International Falls MN, got done I was like "I've never been to Canada, I go look around for a day or two"...

Yea, they wouldn't let me in because I was there to take Canadian jobs. I got to drive into Canada, turn around and drive right back out.:(

Fucking Canadians.