Im throwing around a idea need opinions

[h22 jones]

Ok im posting this in here to get opinions from people that i talk to on a regular basis before i decide what i want to do and post this any were else.

Ok so since i got a new job at the base im in a unique situation and trying to figure out what i want to do. I love messing with car and always have so closing my shop isnt going to happen not to mention (even though my job at the base will more then pay my bills) i make good money at my shop . So this is the deal i was thinking of giving the guys in my area a oppurtunity that i would have loved to have had when i was younger . Everybody wants to work on there own stuff or paint there own stuff but has no were to do it . Im thinking maybe starting up a car club with use of my shop as part of it . Lets say 100 dollars to get into the club (plus the members already in it would have to vote you in) and 50 dollars a month to stay in . To start off with im not trying to make money off this i have my own money . The money will be put in a seperate account with a portion used to buy stuff for the club and a portion used to pay the over head of the shop. If it actually gets up and going ill buy a dyno for everybody use but this gives everybody a chance to to learn something . have access to a paint booth and lift and ill also let them use my specialty tools . i figure i will put a limit as to how long you have to be in the club before you can use the booth and lift that will stop people from trying to just use me for my shit . Id like to keep the shop open to have some were to make a little side money and work on my own stuff and this will give evrybody else the same oppurtunity . Any side work done 20 % will go into the car club fund to help buy shit for the shop which can be voted on . The first thing i would do is install a 16 camera security system not just to protect my stuff but every club members and any theift or druggs will not be tolerated . I dont care what you smoke or pop on your own time but not at my shop .

Its just a idea to try to get more people involved in being able to fix up there own car and learn how the right way instead of using a spray can . For the people that are going to think im trying to make money off of other people i have plenty of business and i charge 1,500 starting out for a paint job so if i help you paint your car how many 50 dollar months would it take to pay 1,500 dollars. I would also give all my discounts to club members and we would all have somebody to hang with at races .No i am not going to build motors for free for club members but i will show you how or build it at a discount .

Im sure there will be alot of negative reasons why i shouldnt do thid trust me i can think of 500 but its kinda my way of trying to help everybody so try and give me some good ideas on how to make this work . I know evrybody in middle georgia and i can go as far as getting these people good jobs if i can see what kind of person theu are and what there talents are so that i dont mind putting my name out there for them .

[h22 jones]

This is not biker boys and nobody is going to front the money for a car club to have a shop with all the shit that i have but since i have it why not try it .

[1civic]

Guess I'm moving south!!! LOL

[1civic]

Really a great idea, and very useful to those looking to learn.. All thats needed is a shop manager and this plan could work, sign in and out, clean, etc.. Meet and greets, dyno days, hell build a track down there damnit!!!

[Tech5]

sounds like a lot of liability to me

[Scotsman]

sounds like a lot of liability to mewaivers , and on a side note , thanks Mike :goodjob:

[Tech5]

waivers , and on a side note , thanks Mike :goodjob:

Good luck with that one , unless you have a lawyer approve of this I don't see it sticking . Just to many things can go wrong with this set up here. Idea sure ,I have a Idea of letting everyone drive my car for a fee but I am not taking that risk lolol.

[Scotsman]

i'm sure there are many JAG officers on base he could speak with

[Tech5]

also would he have to pay for comp insurance as there will be more then 2 people working there?
What about tax purpose , since people will be paying to use the shop which is a business paying taxes ?

[Tech5]

since the OP brought up charging people to use his shop , does he need to become a sponsor on here or this will get locked ???

since he is offering a service and fee charges.

[J. Jean]

It sounds like a great idea to me, I know that there is probably a lot of legal stuff as people have mentioned, but if you decide to go forward with it I think it would be a great success. I personally appreciate your willingness to want to help people.

[boosted347]

I believe he is a sponsor...

[1civic]

since the OP brought up charging people to use his shop , does he need to become a sponsor on here or this will get locked ???

since he is offering a service and fee charges.

He is a sponsor..lol

[Tech5]

It sounds like a great idea to me, I know that there is probably a lot of legal stuff as people have mentioned, but if you decide to go forward with it I think it would be a great success. I personally appreciate your willingness to want to help people.

back in the day around year 2000 ish fatal attractions did this and got in a major law suit after a young man cut his arm off while working at a shop which was the car clubs owners shop that he was using for club members only and charging them fees. Some where in the law , if you are paying someone to rent their shop they MUST have XX amount of dollars for insurance and liability issues . Not to mention , the TAX issues .So if done this by the book and legit it would cost way more then it's worth to help people out and charge them 50 bucks a month fee .

[Tech5]

He is a sponsor..lol

cool , I didn't know ...... Where is this shop again lololol.

[h22 jones]

My brother is a lawyer i get him to write up waiver that will stick plus if there is enough intrest ill get insurance.

[Tech5]

My brother is a lawer i get him to wright up waiver that will stick plus if there is enough intrest ill get insurance.

I hope you mean your brother is a lawyer and have him write up lololol

[Tech5]

My brother is a lawer i get him to wright up waiver that will stick plus if there is enough intrest ill get insurance.

better check into if you will need comp insurance not just shop insurance this is two different types .

[h22 jones]

I never said anything about charging to use the shop . You would pay to be part of a car club useing the shop is a perk . Honestly there are a hundred different ways to do it but keeping it a car club and not a business is the simpliest way . If anything i will be working for them . I am looking for anybody to work for me as i know how to do everything myslef lol. There is a liability but who are the going to sue ? The car club i mean realy . They could sue the land owner but im sure they have insurance also. Anybody can sue anybody and thats why there will be cameras so catch everything that happens to stop stupid law suites from happening . I can also regulate what you can and can not do when certain people arnt there untill we feel like you can do it own your own. Trust me after you get a job at the base you learn there are ways to teach even the dumbest people to do anything .

Instead of telling me how it want work give me ideas of how it could work . Its not like i dont have ten buddies using my shop for free now when ever they want . Thios want be much different then that and i dont plan on fifty people that i dont know being part of this just trying to get something going to have a little fun thats all.

[h22 jones]

My phone sucks im on the computer now lol. Thats why he is the lawyer and im not lol.

[h22 jones]

waivers , and on a side note , thanks Mike :goodjob:

No problem hope it works out for him just wish i had a little more time to go over the bull crap that the guy that used to work for me did to it lol.

[Tech5]

My phone sucks im on the computer now lol. Thats why he is the lawyer and im not lol.

I am just giving you a hard time. I am also just giving you some heads up , this has came up before and has been up and had plenty of issues . You're not the only one to think of this and after so many people from stealing, using it for themselves for a chop shop , to cutting limbs off etc etc . I don't won't to see people get caught up , so I am just throwing my experience out there for you to think about . But glad you have the heart and trust in people to allow this , I sure don't .

[JF868849]

im in!

[third412]

I think thats a good idea Mike!

[h22 jones]

let me figure some stuff out and i will see what i can do . I think it will have to be on a low scale to start off with then see how it grows . Ill have to work it like a job and if you are caught doing certain things you will have to go . Like getting under a car with just a jack no jack stands your gone safety first we will see.

[h22 jones]

If it gets done at my shop it will get done right and i will make sure there is somebody there to help you do it right . If you are a kinda thyrew it together person here is a oppurtunity to do it right . Let me put it this way no motor that me or my dad has ever built has spun a bearing . when you can have that kind of confidence it means alot . It will be more then a car club but kinda of a school . If you think you know everything gtfo because nobody knows everything i learn everyday . I have thousands of dollars worth of tools that i have never used but i plan on being able to use them one day .

See before i had to feed my family and push my shop toward what made the most money now im able to go up there and enjoy myself by doing what i want and id like to share that with everybody else. I am big on respect if you disrespect me you will gone if you dont tot a ass wooping to go along with it . I hate to be that way but if your a push over people take advantage of you . There is only one way to do this and thats control everything someone has to be the bose even in a car club and there has to be guide lines to go by . Ive personaly never been in a car club because i think there gey but this is something different that can be more like a family . i am going to go ahead and buy a few more lifts before i try this that way everybody will have access to a lift . I want my own personal lift and space before i do this because this isnt going to intefere in my work .

Guys i have a big shop and i mean its big but im the only person there using it . I have tried to get one person to split the bills having use of all my shit and half the shop but everybody is to cheap . This way ten people could pay a smalla mount of money so if you didnt have work for a month 50 dollars isnt going to killl you. I have 100,000 dollars worth of tools if you need it i got it from paint and body to mechanicing. i would realy like to buy a dyno and just focus on tuneing ,building motors, and trannys. Hmmm we will see any ideas would be great . I have had people trying to get me to do a car club for years this would be the same thing just actually teaching the guys in the club how to do things the right way not the rice way . When i build a car i do it by myself from the ground up no help and it looks show quailty so i have alot to share with these guys . i want to learn how to tune bad just because thats all i havnt done before.

[JDMDA_1.7]

man this is a great idea! if this does happen it would be nice to be in it.like you said above "you learn something new everyday " it would be nice to get some help from people who have been doing it a little longer.i have been painting for about 3 years now,and i still learn something everyday lol.i know it would be nice to have a booth to spray some cars in.am tired of building and tearing down my (home made paint booth) hahaha.gl man if this works out lmk.

[h22 jones]

I heard that man . Ive sprayed about any were you can before i got my booth lol. Ive also had some of the cleanest jobs come out in the driveway its a 50-50 chance lol.

[JDMDA_1.7]

I heard that man . Ive sprayed about any were you can before i got my booth lol. Ive also had some of the cleanest jobs come out in the driveway its a 50-50 chance lol.

hahaha i know that is the truth!.i have tried to rent out booth but they are always busy. lol..but yea like you said 50-50 chance.but hey sometimes you have to work with what you got.

[J. Jean]

back in the day around year 2000 ish fatal attractions did this and got in a major law suit after a young man cut his arm off while working at a shop which was the car clubs owners shop that he was using for club members only and charging them fees. Some where in the law , if you are paying someone to rent their shop they MUST have XX amount of dollars for insurance and liability issues . Not to mention , the TAX issues .So if done this by the book and legit it would cost way more then it's worth to help people out and charge them 50 bucks a month fee .

Wow... Thats crazy! I get what you're saying though

[David88vert]

I have tried to get one person to split the bills having use of all my shit and half the shop but everybody is to cheap.

If you weren't so far away, I would have already been the other guy to go in on the shop. A dyno and a lift would be all that I would need.

[h22 jones]

man i have it set up not to put my business out there but everything i own is paid for . My booth,lift, all my tools and when i say i got tools i dont mean your regular three bay box full. I got every specialty tool you need . Hell i got 3,000 in paint guns alone . My over head is 1,200 a month thats electric bill and all . I have a perfect place on the other side of my booth for a dyno. Id like to put two hudge widows in the office with a large flat screen in there for people to sit and watch if i get a dyno . I got a couple ideas but im going to wait till i get a few things done first and figure out a few more things before i decide what i want to do.

[big mac]

guess im moving down there, awsome idea

[h22 jones]

come on the more the merrior.

[silversol]

Josh Knows what he is talking about this, there are so many things that could go wrong and leave you holding the bag! I know the insurance alone would be outragious! I had a garage liablity policy with my shop and i was the only one working there and it was crazy money, plus you said you had 100k in tools all the camras in the world wont stop thieves from takeing your shit you leaving the door unlocked for them,

[Tech5]

BTW I am Josh lololol..... Few simple tools will be first to be stolen , a 35$ socket , 100$ wrenches etc etc ....The big stuff will be later when they come after hours and break into the shop and take it all in one big bust when you least expect it . There a few I want say or call them out That I wouldn't trust being around my Rusted Great necks !!!

BTW I see your thinking but I don't see it lasting nor benefiting you at all . Which when you OWN things, and pay rent and allow people to use things and they damage them , steal etc . I see this making you and your dad loosing everything you both have worked for .

YOU asked for positive things to make this work , the best advice I can give and being positive is DON'T DO IT!

[silversol]

BTW I am Josh lololol..... Few simple tools will be first to be stolen , a 35$ socket , 100$ wrenches etc etc ....The big stuff will be later when they come after hours and break into the shop and take it all in one big bust when you least expect it . There a few I want say or call them out That I wouldn't trust being around my Rusted Great necks !!!

BTW I see your thinking but I don't see it lasting nor benefiting you at all . Which when you OWN things, and pay rent and allow people to use things and they damage them , steal etc . I see this making you and your dad loosing everything you both have worked for .

YOU asked for positive things to make this work , the best advice I can give and being positive is DON'T DO IT!


The negatives far out weight the positives 10,000 to one! Me and josh have both ran and owned shops for many of years it not a question of if something happens but when, we both know you cant baby sit every one and watch every thing they are doing, like a kid load a car on the lift and does it wrong and kills him self then yout the one holding the bag.

[Tech5]

And sadly the OP and his father has to take the rap for it as they own and are responsible for everything that happens. EVEN if he gets a lawyer to make waivers there is still a way around an a loop hole that another better lawyer can gain from to sue them and take it all .

LOOK at WAL-MART they get sued everyday over stupid crap that the lawyers didn't make into their policy but yet WAL-MART has to settle .If you want to protect yourself and your dad please throw this into the toilet and flush it like it needs to be .

[h22 jones]

I understand what yaw are saying and what im proposing isnt exactly what you think . I dont know it was more of people that i would trust to use my shop now not a bunch of kids off ida that i dont know . I would just give a key to just anybody like i said it would be more like a job . Certain people couldint be there unless supervised shit like that i dont ill think about . My dad is retired and he likes helping me with some performance stuff when he is bored but other then that he has nothing to do with the shop so none of this would fall on his shoulders its my shop.

Ok lets say me , joey (dark star) and lets say five or six of my other close friends wanted to start a car club . These people already use my shop so nothing would realy change now if other younger members decided to join we could teach them stuf without turning them lose in my shop allowing them the oppurtunity to hurt themselves . I could show them how to paint there car the right way ,along with buiding there motor . Only the few certain people that have keys would still have keys somthing like that.

[jcs]

i like it mike,its nice that someone would offer there skills for someone else to learn.

[Tech5]

YOUR friends are the ones that will screw you when something happens !!!

But hey , can't say I didn't warn you !

Honestly I don't care , if you have all your buddies there cool. But I will keep my eyes on a OMG I LOST EVERYTHING FROM A CLOSE FRIEND THAT I TRIED TO HELP!!!

GOOD luck still seems you're in denial

[Sunkenkarma]

I think its an awesome Idea as well, if you weren't so far, I would totally be down to do this, But there are ALOT of risks involved in what your trying to do, but hell, if you want to do it, its your right, but just keep an eye on people. Good luck man!

[h22 jones]

Im 32 and i have had my shop for five years letting who i want use it so its not denial its confidence that i can handle the problems. As nice as i am im also 6'6" and have beat the hell out of or had locked up everybody that has tsole from me . Macon is not as big as atlanta so besides a few batterys (which i did catch the guys and have locked up) i have gotten back everything stole from my shop . Its called knowing alot of people and having alot of respect . Does sockets get lost and a wrench here and there of course thats why i spent about 2,000 on shit the other day just to organize stuff were when a job is finished it can be put back were it goes so you can tell what your missing .

If you guys thing im trying to have a bunch of young guys in a car club to be cool and give them the ring of all my tools and my shop when im not there then you got the wqrong idea. If anybody on here pmed me and asked right now for me to teach them how to paint there car id tell them be glad to show them and this would be no different . I have a few friends that are as talented as i am and know how to paint a car and build motors that have espressed the intrest in helping people also .

I think you are imagining a bunch of kids up there all night drinking using my shit , changing transmissions ,asking for trouble . I am not that nieve or stupid by any means . When mainstream has a dyno day and everybody gets together ,cooks out has a great time why cant somebody do that say once a month call it a car club while offering to let your members learn something at the same time ?

I would think having twenty people always standing around a dyno all the time would be alot more liability then what im suggesting. Im sure you think its not because scottie is there or james is there well same thing will happen at my shop me or one of the few close friends that i have will have to be there . My tools stay locked up like i said they can use my speacilty tools . Its not hard to miss a welder or a porta power shit like that . Im not lending my sockets and shit that cost 20 a piece for everybody to use . Trust me the guys that work for me lose enough of them alone i dont need any more gone .

When i was 17-18 there was around ten or fifteen of use that was really close and we did our car shit weither it was hydrolics or building a honda we helped each other. I dont see that any more maybe see two friends that help other not hardly any groups . I beleive if you give them something to be apart of which could actually have nothing to do with the shop just a properly run car club that actually did shit that people would cling to it .

[DA9_Vito]

I'm down. soon as im done with the motor ill ride out and talk to ya.

[JDMDA_1.7]

like i said before h22 Jones ,it would be nice to learn some things here and there.so if this happens am down.and i still have that dizzy for you so you can get that ef going!!

[h22 jones]

I need to get it going just cant stop working long enough to go get iot lol.

[Z0_o6]

I think it's a very good idea that hinges on one huge thing: trusting people. The sad truth of it is that people will screw things up for others even for the most minimal personal gain. If you were to go through with this, it would be a huge risk no matter what, simply because of the human factor.

[DA9_Vito]

only the people who dont give a shit will tear stuff up. thats the biggest problem you will have.

[JDMDA_1.7]

I need to get it going just cant stop working long enough to go get iot lol.

hahaha i understand .well its not going anywhere so when ever you want it lmk.

[Vteckidd]

never happen.

Good idea in theory, but if this industry has taught me anything:

1) people are cheap, too cheap to do anything
2) most people dont want to do their own work, and what happens if you get 100 members and 30 people leaving their car in your shop for months at a time
3) Liability, theft, damage (no waiver will pay for any of this, andi doubt any insurance company would even insure you with open access to others).


You might get a few to do it, but as far as being enough to be worth the hassle that will come with it, i highly fdoubt it

[h22 jones]

I agree mike and thats what would make it uniqe because im not trying to make money. I want to have a cook out once a month shit like that . Use the money to actually have a car club worth having . As far as messing my stuff up i have already posted that im not opening my shop up to people doing what ever they wnant . Everything will be monitered and if they dont want to do there own work then they can pay to have it done . Strict rules will be enforced and it will be something everybody will want to be a part of and will have to be voted in yea im going that far . Im serious about this if i do it it will be done the right way with real benefits but real responsibiltys which also includes your character out side the club . Like the first time you fuck somebody on a transaction your gone . I dont care if people say this want work i can do it and you will have to have character to start off with just to be in it . So if you hustle people to support your honda habit dont even bother asking simple as that. If there is only ten of us grilling out on the weekend then thats cool with me . Its kinda like the boy scouts you will learn alot even how to be a decent fucking person or you will get the fuck out its real simple .If that bothers you then you wasnt good enough to be in it to start off with . Sorry if i sound like a dick but i cant waste my time helping you come up in life while your out there living off of other people by screwing who ever you can to get what you want. Dont worry i dont have a power trip everything can be voted on its not hard to tell right from wrong when its in front of your face and your called out on it.