turbo civic putting in work

[stretch]

http://youtu.be/-H1aS3QG3ZM

[*EFilliated*]

" Vteckidd where the CRX at COME out THE BUSHES " lol

[stretch]

" Vteckidd where the CRX at COME out THE BUSHES " lol

lmaoooooooooooooo

[1civic]

NYC IN THE BUILDING!!!






LMAO!!!

[112480]

Nice vid stretch, just too bad you wont get that here in ATL. well maybe a few v8 guys but we'll see how many of them you get to race also. And you dont undertsand crawl b4 u walk? LOL! i think u proly took it the wrong way. Oh and congrats on the 12.06@116 run at commerce awhile back(as moseley stated). funny thing is....... i NEVER saw a 250WHP k swap in an eg do a 12.06 with lazy/miss shifting. but hey, u learn something new everyday. great job guys:goodjob:

[112480]

Oh and just so you know stretch down here u DONT HAVE TO SAY UR THE FASTEST for people to pick up on what u really mean or feel about the scene here. Phrases like "MAY 22........ GAME OVER" makes u look like a over confident contender. just a little fyi.................

[Vteckidd]

" Vteckidd where the CRX at COME out THE BUSHES " lol

the CRX was around when you didnt even have a license yet kid.

[Vteckidd]

Oh and just so you know stretch down here u DONT HAVE TO SAY UR THE FASTEST for people to pick up on what u really mean or feel about the scene here. Phrases like "MAY 22........ GAME OVER" makes u look like a over confident contender. just a little fyi.................

thank you

[112480]

Another thing stretch, since you FINALLY reconized that "when in rome you have to do what the romans do", can u relay that to morris? cause he specifically said he will NEVER do roll races,but at the same time wants to "take out a few select cars". Well what if the "few select cars" want to do a roll race and not a dig on the streets with slicks?????

[Vteckidd]

NYC IN THE BUILDING!!!






LMAO!!!
you should move up there, i hear its nice this time of year. Summer time means a lot less rapes and murders, usually. lol jk (my whole family is from New york)

[MidnightAuto]

Another thing stretch, since you FINALLY reconized that "when in rome you have to do what the romans do", can u relay that to morris? cause he specifically said he will NEVER do roll races,but at the same time wants to "take out a few select cars". Well what if the "few select cars" want to do a roll race and not a dig on the streets with slicks?????

Re read what I wrote asshole.

[112480]

When i have time/ready i'll do a roll race against the blue bubble, but for now stretch, u with the blue bubble can race moseley on his bottle from a 40 roll:) I mean honestly Moseley is THE MAN TO BEAT. he beat me and others thus having a EARNED RESUME for u.

[Vteckidd]

Re read what I wrote asshole.

you seem like a pretty level headed guy. Again im sure your car or the car is fast, my only point (which you guys seem to agree with me) is taht it really hasnt done anything here in GA. Not yet at least.

And i REALLY HOPE IT DOES do well may 22. But thats not what my argument was about. my argument was the car has no credibility down here, in ga, yet and doesnt warrant people being scared to race it.

Thats it, thats all.

[112480]

Re read what I wrote asshole.

Oh sure SMART GUY:

QUOTE FROM MORRIS a.k.a MIDNIGHTAUTO

Listen this whole convo is pointless, you want proof, you will get proof.... End of story... I let the cars talk online debates are a waste of time.... We race, how we race in NY for a reason. If its not your thing then hey what can I say... But as for saying that nobody races like that in Ga, well I think the muscle guys will disagree... I dont care if you race me or not, when Im done with a select few cars I will be going for domestics not imports. So you guys can KEEP the roll racing cuz I will never do it..... For the rest of the RACERS see you guys at the track...


SO.... u didnt say u'll NEVER roll race????????????????????????????????? Oh i'm sorry u said "u guys can KEEP the roll racing cuz i WILL NEVER DO IT" Forgot YOU said that? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And dont forget, u RACED HOW U RACED IN NY but that doesnt fly down here. well unless u'll be out 12-4 a.m in the morning with 18-21 year olds trying to get a race in. Tell me morris, for as long as you and stretch been down here, how many races have you had ON THE STREET WITH FULL SLICKS????????????? Its not like u guys just got here yesterday. Shit u should've had at least 10-20 races on FULL SLICKS on the streets by now, but you havent so what does thast tell you?

Once again PHRASES like "everybody was scared to run the blue bubble" sounds like what?? Thats riiiggghhhhtttt........................ but you guys are humble and quiet and just want to race right? LOL!

[MidnightAuto]

you seem like a pretty level headed guy. Again im sure your car or the car is fast, my only point (which you guys seem to agree with me) is taht it really hasnt done anything here in GA. Not yet at least.

And i REALLY HOPE IT DOES do well may 22. But thats not what my argument was about. my argument was the car has no credibility down here, in ga, yet and doesnt warrant people being scared to race it.

Thats it, thats all.
I agree, I dont want people to be scared. With no competition it gets boring, thats part of the reason NY got boring. As for saying we have no resume, thats bullshit.. Give respect where its due. Not speakin of that blue car but Ive done tons of cars. Put up tons of numbers so dont disrespect me because some of you dont know who I am.

[MidnightAuto]

Oh sure SMART GUY:

QUOTE FROM MORRIS a.k.a MIDNIGHTAUTO

Listen this whole convo is pointless, you want proof, you will get proof.... End of story... I let the cars talk online debates are a waste of time.... We race, how we race in NY for a reason. If its not your thing then hey what can I say... But as for saying that nobody races like that in Ga, well I think the muscle guys will disagree... I dont care if you race me or not, when Im done with a select few cars I will be going for domestics not imports. So you guys can KEEP the roll racing cuz I will never do it..... For the rest of the RACERS see you guys at the track...


SO.... u didnt say u'll NEVER roll race????????????????????????????????? Oh i'm sorry u said "u guys can KEEP the roll racing cuz i WILL NEVER DO IT Forgot YOU said that? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read that part again....I dont care if you race me or not, when Im done with a select few cars I will be going for domestics not imports.

[MidnightAuto]

Oh sure SMART GUY:

QUOTE FROM MORRIS a.k.a MIDNIGHTAUTO

Listen this whole convo is pointless, you want proof, you will get proof.... End of story... I let the cars talk online debates are a waste of time.... We race, how we race in NY for a reason. If its not your thing then hey what can I say... But as for saying that nobody races like that in Ga, well I think the muscle guys will disagree... I dont care if you race me or not, when Im done with a select few cars I will be going for domestics not imports. So you guys can KEEP the roll racing cuz I will never do it..... For the rest of the RACERS see you guys at the track...


SO.... u didnt say u'll NEVER roll race????????????????????????????????? Oh i'm sorry u said "u guys can KEEP the roll racing cuz i WILL NEVER DO IT" Forgot YOU said that? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And dont forget, u RACED HOW U RACED IN NY but that doesnt fly down here. well unless u'll be out 12-4 a.m in the morning with 18-21 year olds trying to get a race in. Tell me morris, for as long as you and stretch been down here, how many races have you had ON THE STREET WITH FULL SLICKS????????????? Its not like u guys just got here yesterday. Shit u should've had at least 10-20 races on FULL SLICKS on the streets by now, but you havent so what does thast tell you?

Once again PHRASES like "everybody was scared to run the blue bubble" sounds like what?? Thats riiiggghhhhtttt........................ but you guys are humble and quiet and just want to race right? LOL!

Ive got one question for you-Will you race me at the track on full slicks??? yes or no?

[112480]

Read that part again....I dont care if you race me or not, when Im done with a select few cars I will be going for domestics not imports.

May i ask sir, what "few select acrs" u are reffering too? IF u dont mind me asking? Let me make this a little easier for you. there are only a few select cars with k swaps or builds in the atl area that u want to "take out" but now you say you dont care if it goes down or not. This SMALL SMALL list includes, but not limitied as there are other guys with k swaps here in atl but dont care to post on here.

1.Moseley
2.05dc5s
3.Chunky
4.112480

And others u havent met yet:) Oh and notice my name is last b/c i'm the slowest:) remember, james(emmino) at mainstream built my setup and all they build are SLOW CARS:goodjob:

[112480]

Ive got one question for you-Will you race me at the track on full slicks??? yes or no?

YES as soon as you race me on the streets in a............................................ drum roll please............................................ ..... A ROLL RACE!!!! OMG! DID I JUST SAY A ROLL RACE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EmminoDaGreat]

That could be interpreted as , when he is done building/tuning cars he rather not waste time on imports and go to the domestic dig runners

Or
when he whips everyones ass, then he will fuck the rest of tthe world up.

[112480]

roll race first, dig at track second. So my question to you is............................. is this acceptable when the time comes???????????????????????????????????

[Vteckidd]

I agree, I dont want people to be scared. With no competition it gets boring, thats part of the reason NY got boring. As for saying we have no resume, thats bullshit.. Give respect where its due. Not speakin of that blue car but Ive done tons of cars. Put up tons of numbers so dont disrespect me because some of you dont know who I am.

that was not my intention, and again did you miss the part where i said "IM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR SHOP OR YOUR MECHANICAL ABILITIES". I do NOT know you, i dont know what you have done up in NY. I only know of Certified up there as i was good friends with Albert and Katie. But i was never talking about YOUR resume. I was talking about the BLUE CAR ONLY.

Come on man i dont make that big a blanket statement

[Vteckidd]

Me vs a Turbo K Series EG hatch

http://sipimpin.multiply.com/video/item/1

B>K

I win

[MidnightAuto]

roll race first, dig at track second. So my question to you is............................. is this acceptable when the time comes???????????????????????????????????

I will not roll race for money and i dont race people who talk shit for free.... S o that would be a no. Now that, that is settled.

[Vteckidd]

I will not roll race for money and i dont race people who talk shit for free.... S o that would be a no. Now that, that is settled.

will you roll race for fun? I mean i dont think i ever ran for money, it was always for fun. Guess in NY its different

[MidnightAuto]

That could be interpreted as , when he is done building/tuning cars he rather not waste time on imports and go to the domestic dig runners

Or
when he whips everyones ass, then he will fuck the rest of tthe world up.

I meant it the first way

[EmminoDaGreat]

Thats what I figured, i just threw that out there to say it could be misinterpreted

[MidnightAuto]

will you roll race for fun? I mean i dont think i ever ran for money, it was always for fun. Guess in NY its different

Yea I will for fun but with people who arent gonna act like kids and go online after and talk shit about how they whooped me... Fun runs should be EXACTLY that fun... But people have fun runs and then go on the internet and talk shit and it starts huge arguments.. When its for money, you can say whatever you want after if i go home with your money its worth listening to BS. And I go alot harder when money is on the line...

[MidnightAuto]

And for everyone who says its stupid to come out and street race on slicks, thats your opinion and your welcome to it but remember us imports are new to this and the muscle guys that started this have been doing it for years and they have done slicks on the streets for yeeeeaaaarrrrrrsssss. And it doesnt matter what state, city or county you live in there are v8 muscle races takin place on the street on slicks any given night. Just cuz you dont know about it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. So you can write your own rules but you cant change the ones that have been here for years.

[Vteckidd]

And for everyone who says its stupid to come out and street race on slicks, thats your opinion and your welcome to it but remember us imports are new to this and the muscle guys that started this have been doing it for years and they have done slicks on the streets for yeeeeaaaarrrrrrsssss. And it doesnt matter what state, city or county you live in there are v8 muscle races takin place on the street on slicks any given night. Just cuz you dont know about it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. So you can write your own rules but you cant change the ones that have been here for years.

RWD on slicks is NOT the same as a FWD honda on slicks.

ever steered a HONDA with 24in on the front vs a Mustang with ET streets. yeah, totally unsafe in the honda. Your power wheels are also your TURNING wheels in a FWD car and a car with slicks, DOESNT TURN. So any roll racing is extremely dumb and dangerous.

Street Digs is fine, but cops are DEEP here, and if you get caught, its an automatic drag racing ticket with $1000+ fines, impounded car, you got to jail etc. And you cant run from a cop in FWD car on slicks. RWD car you can.

So yeah, totally not even close to being the same. But if you wanna do it, you got balls. Ill give you that.

[MidnightAuto]

RWD on slicks is NOT the same as a FWD honda on slicks.

ever steered a HONDA with 24in on the front vs a Mustang with ET streets. yeah, totally unsafe in the honda. Your power wheels are also your TURNING wheels in a FWD car and a car with slicks, DOESNT TURN. So any roll racing is extremely dumb and dangerous.

Street Digs is fine, but cops are DEEP here, and if you get caught, its an automatic drag racing ticket with $1000+ fines, impounded car, you got to jail etc. And you cant run from a cop in FWD car on slicks. RWD car you can.

So yeah, totally not even close to being the same. But if you wanna do it, you got balls. Ill give you that.
I would beg to differ, its been done many a time.
P.S. Did you watch any of the you tube vids that were posted?

[112480]

I would beg to differ, its been done many a time.
P.S. Did you watch any of the you tube vids that were posted?

NOT HERE IN ATL it hasnt! LOL! The traffic laws down here WILL FUCK YOU UP! Is it worth it??? at least with roll racing u can do ur thing right quick and get out of it. yeah u can STILL get caught, but its VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY different then just sitting somewhere, burning out to warm up tires etc etc, loads of ppl around etc etc. Maybe up in NY u guys had it down to a T, but for the BILLIONTH TIME YOU ARE IN ATL NOW!

[MidnightAuto]

NOT HERE IN ATL it hasnt! LOL! The traffic laws down here WILL FUCK YOU UP! Is it worth it??? at least with roll racing u can do ur thing right quick and get out of it. yeah u can STILL get caught, but its VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY different then just sitting somewhere, burning out to warm up tires etc etc, loads of ppl around etc etc. Maybe up in NY u guys had it down to a T, but for the BILLIONTH TIME YOU ARE IN ATL NOW!

Why because you say its impossible it makes it so...... Just say it wont happen for you and keep it moving thanx.
FYI Traffic laws will fuck you up anywhere, Ga is not special...

[112480]

Why because you say its impossible it makes it so...... Just say it wont happen for you and keep it moving thanx.
FYI Traffic laws will fuck you up anywhere, Ga is not special...

LOL! nowhere in my statements did i say its "impossible" just not smart. but hey whatever floats ur boat:goodjob: And we can roll race for free. doesnt matter to me. but YES thier WILL be a video of it, win or lose and it WILL be posted on here,youtube,streetfire and CNN if possible and YES people WILL have their comments about it. So get over it dog. WELCOME TO ROME! LOL!

[Vteckidd]

I would beg to differ, its been done many a time.
P.S. Did you watch any of the you tube vids that were posted?

im not saying it HASNT been done, but what im saying is i street raced here for close to 10 years, and ive NEVER seen anyone set up a STREET race on slicks. And the reasons were for what i said above. Why street race on slicks when you can just go to a track.

I mean ive seen the vids of PACMAN and all the cali racers, ive seen the 900whp EK civic from NY racing on the highway with full slicks blocking the entire interstate. Is it cool, yeah. Is it smart, not in my opinion. Its extremely dangerous to be doing those kind of speeds.

A track prepped surface is not the same as asphalt and i would advise against anyone doing it on the street from a pure safety standpoint. I had BFG Drag radials on my CRX, but i would NEVER EVER EVER agree to a dig run with slicks on the street.

but if you can find someone to do it, you got balls, and i hope you guys are safe

[MidnightAuto]

LOL! nowhere in my statements did i say its "impossible" just not smart. but hey whatever floats ur boat:goodjob:

I can find 500 people who will tell you street racing in general(which includes roll racing) is not smart.... Sooooo your point is???!

[Vteckidd]

I can find 500 people who will tell you street racing in general(which includes roll racing) is not smart.... Sooooo your point is???!
come on dont act dumb lol

Roll racing is WAY safer than dig racing. Two cars on a highway doing 90-100mph arent automatically "racing". Two cars lined up on the street at 2am with slicks on , yeah try selling that one to the judge.

I still think if you go to BP, or barrett, or anywhere else with your All Motor honda, and try to get people to run you on SLICKS, you are going to get bored very fast. People just dont do it here. And youll have to go run the RWD guys.

[112480]

I can find 500 people who will tell you street racing in general(which includes roll racing) is not smart.... Sooooo your point is???!

Whats ur point on that one? You go get ur 500 people that will say street racing(including rolls) is not smart and dangerous and i will give each and everyone of them REAL statistics of what is REALLY not smart and dangerous on the streets. Hell DRUNK DRIVING(DUI) would take days to compile the info alone, so lets stay on topic:goodjob:

[MidnightAuto]

im not saying it HASNT been done, but what im saying is i street raced here for close to 10 years, and ive NEVER seen anyone set up a STREET race on slicks. And the reasons were for what i said above. Why street race on slicks when you can just go to a track.

I mean ive seen the vids of PACMAN and all the cali racers, ive seen the 900whp EK civic from NY racing on the highway with full slicks blocking the entire interstate. Is it cool, yeah. Is it smart, not in my opinion. Its extremely dangerous to be doing those kind of speeds.

A track prepped surface is not the same as asphalt and i would advise against anyone doing it on the street from a pure safety standpoint. I had BFG Drag radials on my CRX, but i would NEVER EVER EVER agree to a dig run with slicks on the street.

but if you can find someone to do it, you got balls, and i hope you guys are safe
First of all most tracks are only concrete for the first 60 feet second of all most tracks are only really prepped for the first 60 feet. Third of all ive seen more accidents at the track than i have at any street races. But like you said you are entitled to your opinion, and im ok with that but you guys keep sayin "this is ATL" as if there is something special about it here... Its been done up north and out west for years, not because you dont get into the same trouble but because we realized that it can be done the right and you get into the same trouble no matter how you are doing it... So if you are gonna complain then just track race or dont race at all. Roll racin is just as dangerous and should not be taken lightly either.

[MidnightAuto]

come on dont act dumb lol

Roll racing is WAY safer than dig racing. Two cars on a highway doing 90-100mph arent automatically "racing". Two cars lined up on the street at 2am with slicks on , yeah try selling that one to the judge.

I still think if you go to BP, or barrett, or anywhere else with your All Motor honda, and try to get people to run you on SLICKS, you are going to get bored very fast. People just dont do it here. And youll have to go run the RWD guys.

Which is fine with me...

[MidnightAuto]

Whats ur point on that one? You go get ur 500 people that will say street racing(including rolls) is not smart and dangerous and i will give each and everyone of them REAL statistics of what is REALLY not smart and dangerous on the streets. Hell DRUNK DRIVING(DUI) would take days to compile the info alone, so lets stay on topic:goodjob:

Are you paying attention???? The point is you call what i do stupid and there are people who call what you do stupid.... so lets agree to disagree... Besides we agreed we arent gonna race so why are we still conversing?

[112480]

Are you paying attention???? The point is you call what i do stupid and there are people who call what you do stupid.... so lets agree to disagree... Besides we agreed we arent gonna race so why are we still conversing?

This is true, but for the record noone said ATL was special. if anything we're trying to help u and stretch out with as much info as possible so u guys dont get "bored" with Atlanta like u obvisously got bored in NY.

I'm paying attention, but are you?? I've been here all my life. how long you been here? What would you say to someone from another state coming to NY saying they know more about NY than u and u been there all ur life 30+years????? We've said nothing but WELCOME to u and stretch and what did you guys do?? Dont quote the word "RESPECT" until you learn it first.

[1civic]

Hey Mike, my dick is still bigger!!:cheers:

[MidnightAuto]

This is true, but for the record noone said ATL was special. if anything we're trying to help u and stretch out with as much info as possible so u guys dont get "bored" with Atlanta like u obvisously got bored in NY.

I'm paying attention, but are you?? I've been here all my life. how long you been here? What would you say to someone from another state coming to NY saying they know more about NY than u and u been there all ur life 30+years????? We've said nothing but WELCOME to u and stretch and what did you guys do?? Dont quote the word "RESPECT" until you learn it first.

How did I disrespect YOU???? Please tell me???

[112480]

How did I disrespect YOU???? Please tell me???

Are u kidding me?lol! U sized me up/disrespect, from the moment i met u at i.a. oh shit is funny thou so i'm not affended by it because its over cars and racing. and from there other "little indirect" things you've said. Just b/c u tried to be quiet(up to this point) doesnt mean u werent in it the whole time.

[1civic]

So hear we have this..

1) 112480 has no car ready to race

2) mosely wants to spray against another all motor car after he beat a built k24 already..

3) Vteckidd has no car and dewells on the past

4) 1civic is your daddy and will always have something to race

5) Midnight steps up and everyone runs

6) NO RULES IN STREET RACING!!!!!!!

[jerseyef9]

Are u kidding me?lol! U sized me up/disrespect, from the moment i met u at i.a. oh shit is funny thou so i'm not affended by it because its over cars and racing. and from there other "little indirect" things you've said. Just b/c u tried to be quiet(up to this point) doesnt mean u werent in it the whole time.

:cry:


:lmfao:

[MidnightAuto]

Are u kidding me?lol! U sized me up/disrespect, from the moment i met u at i.a. oh shit is funny thou so i'm not affended by it because its over cars and racing. and from there other "little indirect" things you've said. Just b/c u tried to be quiet(up to this point) doesnt mean u werent in it the whole time.

Grow up and be a man.... i dont even know, nor do i care to.. Suck it up lil guy. Since you claimed I disrespected you now im gonna. Remember you brought me into this.

[112480]

Grow up and be a man.... i dont even know, nor do i care to.. Suck it up lil guy.

LOL! its funny u didnt read the "shit is funny to me" part. so lets reverse ur grow up statement:goodjob:

[05dc5s]

Are you paying attention???? The point is you call what i do stupid and there are people who call what you do stupid.... so lets agree to disagree... Besides we agreed we arent gonna race so why are we still conversing?

May I just give you props sir for saying conversing instead of conversating.

[Moseley]

So hear we have this..

1) 112480 has no car ready to race, but at least he has a 6 speed tranny

2) mosely wants to spray against another all motor car after he beat a built k24 already..

3) Vteckidd has no car and dewells on the past when turbo K swaps ran 14s

4) 1civic is your daddy and will always have something to race, even if it is not his own car

5) Midnight steps up and everyone runs

6) NO RULES IN STREET RACING!!!!!!!

fixed :taun:

[112480]

May I just give you props sir for saying conversing instead of conversating.

:lmao:

[1civic]

Moseley I just got back from getting the tag.. Would you like to see who the owner is? LOL

Hush your mouth and come race us!! Bring your bottle, hell add another..

COME OUT THE BUSHES CRACKA!!!

[112480]

Since you claimed I disrespected you now im gonna.

Ah shit! I'm scared now :lmfao:

[91s13]

Moseley I just got back from getting the tag.. Would you like to see who the owner is? LOL

Hush your mouth and come race us!! Bring your bottle, hell add another..

COME OUT THE BUSHES CRACKA!!!

this is too funny:lmfao:

[Moseley]

Moseley I just got back from getting the tag.. Would you like to see who the owner is? LOL

Hush your mouth and come race us!! Bring your bottle, hell add another..

COME OUT THE BUSHES CRACKA!!!

come race us? really? I've come out to race you twice and guess who didn't show up both times.

now who do you want me to race?

[Moseley]

this is too funny

LOL which part... Bobby calling me a CRACKA? haha

[05dc5s]

Here goes B.O.B talking smack again. It seems you can count on a couple things here...

112480 excessively excessively using caps
B.O.B. talking smack and inevitably backing out

[Vteckidd]

Lol that car was lucky if it ran 14s. But at the timely was like one of two k series cars in Atlanta.

[112480]

come race us? really? I've come out to race you twice and guess who didn't show up both times.

now who do you want me to race?

:couch:

[1civic]

come race us? really? I've come out to race you twice and guess who didn't show up both times.

now who do you want me to race?


Now now... Only once did I back down, this last time i was on Barrett.. Come to the track then on the 22nd, i can't hide there!!
And you have a PM CRACKA!!

[112480]

Hey Morris :welcome: Now thats some Southern Hospitality for your ass:fire:

[112480]

Here goes B.O.B talking smack again. It seems you can count on a couple things here...

112480 excessively excessively using caps.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[91s13]

LOL which part... Bobby calling me a CRACKA? haha
kinda caught me off guard. these threads are hilarious but it's all in fun I hope. just hope no one is taking the shit talking personal.:goodjob:

[1civic]

.... damn doubt post

When you switch to 6speed tranny will you be able to catch each gear without a mis-shift? Just sayin!!:taun:

[Moseley]

Now now... Only once did I back down, this last time i was on Barrett.. Come to the track then on the 22nd, i can't hide there!!
And you have a PM CRACKA!!

I don't think I'm going to be at the event on the 22nd. or if I do I won't bring the hatch. just been busy, the car hasn't moved an inch since parking after showdown.

[1civic]

I don't think I'm going to be at the event on the 22nd. or if I do I won't bring the hatch. just been busy, the car hasn't moved an inch since parking after showdown.

Put you a hitch on the bimmer and tow that hooptie!!

[Moseley]

When you switch to 6speed tranny will you be able to catch each gear without a mis-shift? Just sayin!!:taun:

have you "driven" a K swap? I'll tell you it's not anything at all like shifting a B. The feel and feedback is great but you can't just force your hand from point A to point B and expect it to be in gear.

[112480]

When you switch to 6speed tranny will you be able to catch each gear without a mis-shift? Just sayin!!:taun:

LOL! I dont mis-shift, but what about you:)

[112480]

have you "driven" a K swap? I'll tell you it's not anything at all like shifting a B. The feel and feedback is great but you can't just force your hand from point A to point B and expect it to be in gear.

hey hey hey moseley. u cant just unload that kind of info on bobby. LOL! A little too much info for some people to process sometimes. just sayin...:)

[1civic]

LOL! I dont mis-shift, but what about you:)

I drove a WS6 with a B&M shifter for 2 years, never had any problems.. I'm a driver man, i learn fast and adapt to anything.. :)

EDIT:

Go watch my videos.

aka air shifter BOB!!!


LOL

[1civic]

http://youtu.be/kRW2F1Vna_M


Muwahahahah!!

[David88vert]

NOT HERE IN ATL it hasnt! LOL! The traffic laws down here WILL FUCK YOU UP! Is it worth it??? at least with roll racing u can do ur thing right quick and get out of it. yeah u can STILL get caught, but its VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY different then just sitting somewhere, burning out to warm up tires etc etc, loads of ppl around etc etc. Maybe up in NY u guys had it down to a T, but for the BILLIONTH TIME YOU ARE IN ATL NOW!

Actually, I know several places where digs are still run. Slick cars run all the time on the street. You just have to know where to do it. Granted, you hardly ever see a Honda out, as most of the cars are trailers Mustangs or G-bodys.
Its not a big here as it used to be, because we have several grudge tracks close enough that it makes more sense to take it to the track.

[1civic]

Actually, I know several places where digs are still run. Slick cars run all the time on the street. You just have to know where to do it. Granted, you hardly ever see a Honda out, as most of the cars are trailers Mustangs or G-bodys.
Its not a big here as it used to be, because we have several grudge tracks close enough that it makes more sense to take it to the track.

I know of countless spots, but these pecker-nuts can't drive so they roll race!!! Just another excuse they come up with..

Guess I'm another dumb honda kid cause I drove on MT's...LMAO!!

[112480]

Actually, I know several places where digs are still run. Slick cars run all the time on the street. You just have to know where to do it. Granted, you hardly ever see a Honda out, as most of the cars are trailers Mustangs or G-bodys.

Cool, well could u relay those places to morris and stretch? I'M SURE they will appreaciate it:goodjob:


Its not a big here as it used to be, because we have several grudge tracks close enough that it makes more sense to take it to the track.

WOW AND I THINK THATS ALL THAT ME AND MIKE WAS TRYING TO TELL THEM! And they got all upset saying "well well thats your opinion":cry: :lmfao:

[MidnightAuto]

Cool, well could u relay those places to morris and stretch? I'M SURE they will appreaciate it:goodjob:



WOW AND I THINK THATS ALL THAT ME AND MIKE WAS TRYING TO TELL THEM! And they got all upset saying "well well thats your opinion":cry: :lmfao:

No one cares let it die already....

[Vteckidd]

I know of countless spots, but these pecker-nuts can't drive so they roll race!!! Just another excuse they come up with..

Guess I'm another dumb honda kid cause I drove on MT's...LMAO!!
Man back in the day ALL WE DID WAS DIG RACES. No one did slicks though at most was drag radials.

Around 06 everyone just got faster with turbo cars and such that roll racing became more popular. Now it's all anyone does. I hated roll racing but that all people wanted to do. Roll racing just proves who has more Hp, dig you could beat people with more power by being a better driver

[stretch]

this is crazy.... i post a video of one of our car at a race we had.... never said OUR CAR IS FAST, WE DA BEST IN THE GAME, WE GONNA WIN ON THE 22 AT FACEOFF....NOTHING ... i made a simple post of a run we had and this is wat it turned into.... gregg u said nice video, why couldnt u just stopped there and moved on... why the extra comments... i never wrote at the top of the video that this is how we wanted it to be down here did i? all i did was post a video... the vtecc bitch co signing with u... i left the other thread to get away from all this with the two of u guys because frankly, we cant settle it at the track.... none of u have any active cars running right now so this is all pointles

so for the last time gregg and vtecckidd, listen to this WE NOT SAYING WE ARE THE FASTEST OR THE BEST, WE ARE NOT SAYING WE ARE GODS GIFT TO ALL MOTOR, WE ARE NOT SAYING WE GONNA BEAT EVERYONE........ We just here to do wat we do... we never stayed home and start typing that everyone is afraid of the blue car, we brought the car out and nobody wanted to run the car on a few occasions... we brought my integra out and it was the same thing( dont know why with the integra).
so to end all this i posted a video so people could watch.. it wasnt a callout video, and even if it was i dont know why yall all up in this thread talking when yall aint got no car to call out....... i talk shit with stover and josh and jody and emminno and all of them all the time, and these are people with active catrs running and it never gets to this.... but yall just always got something to say... seems like yall got something to prove and not us... at the end of the day, we have done it already, yall not even close, but thats neither here nor there....... all im saying is enjoy the video and stop talking shit in my thread.... im done with the talking... the cars will do the talking, fast or not, good times or bad times, they will speak for us... have a good evening

[Vteckidd]

Speak English I'm not from Yonkers

[Vteckidd]

Jk lol good luck eberyone

[stretch]

Speak English I'm not from Yonkers

so now ur trying to be funny..... i got u vtecckidd, i got ur number....

[112480]

this is crazy.... i post a video of one of our car at a race we had.... never said OUR CAR IS FAST, WE DA BEST IN THE GAME, WE GONNA WIN ON THE 22 AT FACEOFF....NOTHING ... i made a simple post of a run we had and this is wat it turned into.... gregg u said nice video, why couldnt u just stopped there and moved on... why the extra comments... i never wrote at the top of the video that this is how we wanted it to be down here did i? all i did was post a video... the vtecc bitch co signing with u... i left the other thread to get away from all this with the two of u guys because frankly, we cant settle it at the track.... none of u have any active cars running right now so this is all pointles

so for the last time gregg and vtecckidd, listen to this WE NOT SAYING WE ARE THE FASTEST OR THE BEST, WE ARE NOT SAYING WE ARE GODS GIFT TO ALL MOTOR, WE ARE NOT SAYING WE GONNA BEAT EVERYONE........ We just here to do wat we do... we never stayed home and start typing that everyone is afraid of the blue car, we brought the car out and nobody wanted to run the car on a few occasions... we brought my integra out and it was the same thing( dont know why with the integra).
so to end all this i posted a video so people could watch.. it wasnt a callout video, and even if it was i dont know why yall all up in this thread talking when yall aint got no car to call out....... i talk shit with stover and josh and jody and emminno and all of them all the time, and these are people with active catrs running and it never gets to this.... but yall just always got something to say... seems like yall got something to prove and not us... at the end of the day, we have done it already, yall not even close, but thats neither here nor there....... all im saying is enjoy the video and stop talking shit in my thread.... im done with the talking... the cars will do the talking, fast or not, good times or bad times, they will speak for us... have a good evening

LOL! stretch i'll let u know something soon, but i want to know who has the faster car(roll racing) not whos a better driver(dig runs). If i have a 15whp go kart and say let do a stupid dig to 20mph and i beat u, does that mean i have the faster ride? NO! just mean i came off the line b4 u did and u didnt have time to catch up. but whatever, i'll let you have it since you guys cant take a little shit talking................. have a nice night:)

[*EFilliated*]

no one cares about the past, u need to start realizing its 2011, so much has changed and u sir dont get that. :boohoo:


Man back in the day ALL WE DID WAS DIG RACES. No one did slicks though at most was drag radials.

Around 06 everyone just got faster with turbo cars and such that roll racing became more popular. Now it's all anyone does. I hated roll racing but that all people wanted to do. Roll racing just proves who has more Hp, dig you could beat people with more power by being a better driver

[112480]

Man back in the day ALL WE DID WAS DIG RACES. No one did slicks though at most was drag radials.

Yep, been there done that!

[stretch]

LOL! stretch i'll let u know something soon, but i want to know who has the faster car(roll racing) not whos a better driver(dig runs). If i have a 15whp go kart and say let do a stupid dig to 20mph and i beat u, does that mean i have the faster ride? NO! just mean i came off the line b4 u did and u didnt have time to catch up. but whatever, i'll let you have it since you guys cant take a little shit talking................. have a nice night:)

so wat if u have a slightly faster car and we do a roll race and i have a better geared tranny than u, and im a little more responsive to the gay 3 beeps of the horn which means go, and i get out there faster than u, get to 120-130mph before u, THEN WAT??? that means i have the faster car, due to u not being able to pass me in time before the race is done ?

[EmminoDaGreat]

See ya Sunday!!!

Might even bring out 2 new contenders
;)

[jerseyef9]

so wat if u have a slightly faster car and we do a roll race and i have a better geared tranny than u, and im a little more responsive to the gay 3 beeps of the horn which means go, and i get out there faster than u, get to 120-130mph before u, THEN WAT??? that means i have the faster car, due to u not being able to pass me in time before the race is done ?

you will be king roll racing son
that new thing now and days

[1civic]

See ya Sunday!!!

Might even bring out 2 new contenders
;)

Any All Motor cars.. I need someone to race geezzzz!!:flash:

[EmminoDaGreat]

I am no all motor guy. I hate them.

[1civic]

I am no all motor guy. I hate them.

I know, my shits slow..:cry: LOL

[Vteckidd]

so now ur trying to be funny..... i got u vtecckidd, i got ur number....

Not trying, that WAS funny.

Come on you smiled a little

You new York people need to take it as much as you dish it

[1civic]

Not trying, that WAS funny.

Come on you smiled a little

You new York people need to take it as much as you dish it


They do but you started off all wrong!!! LMAO......

[stretch]

See ya Sunday!!!

Might even bring out 2 new contenders
;)

thats wats up james..... sunday should be good.... boosted cars ???

[EmminoDaGreat]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh ya

[112480]

so wat if u have a slightly faster car and we do a roll race and i have a better geared tranny than u, and im a little more responsive to the gay 3 beeps of the horn which means go, and i get out there faster than u, get to 120-130mph before u, THEN WAT??? that means i have the faster car, due to u not being able to pass me in time before the race is done ?

If u can take the 3 gay ass beeps, i'll take the sissy ass arm drops:yes:

[112480]

They do but you started off all wrong!!! LMAO......

Shit cant tell.....................

[112480]

so wat if u have a slightly faster car and we do a roll race and U have a better geared tranny than ME, and U ARE a little more responsive to the gay 3 beeps of the horn which means go, and U get out there faster than ME, get to 120-130mph before ME, THEN WAT??? that means U have the faster car, due to ME not being able to pass U in time before the race is done ?


fixed:)

[stretch]

i clearly see the level the convo is on...so i refrain from conversing with u any longer..... when u have something worth talking about holla at me, until then................................

[stretch]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh ya

hey james i heard its suppose to rain in montgomery on sunday?

[112480]

i clearly see the level the convo is on...so i refrain from conversing with u any longer..... when u have something worth talking about holla at me, until then................................

whoa whoa whoa stretch. U said it, NOT me............................... blame yourself.

so wat if u have a slightly faster car and we do a roll race and U have a better geared tranny than ME, and U ARE a little more responsive to the gay 3 beeps of the horn which means go, and U get out there faster than ME, get to 120-130mph before ME, THEN WAT??? that means U have the faster car, due to ME not being able to pass U in time before the race is done ?

U said this. NOT me................. you should look in the mirror first dog. PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES!

[1civic]

30% chance of rain..

[Vteckidd]

hey james i heard its suppose to rain in montgomery on sunday?

yeah weather isnt looking good so far

[Vteckidd]

well its 30% chance of isolated storms, but its Tuesday so i would just keep an eye on it. It could go either way at this point

[Vteckidd]

no one cares about the past, u need to start realizing its 2011, so much has changed and u sir dont get that. :boohoo:

isnt it past your curfew kid?

Now youre just attacking me to be on the bandwagon.

[merkd-ya]

what is it with you guys and roll races? i mean i have nothing against it but why is it that you almost insist on a roll? but also why must a run be with slicks? i built a streeet car. no it don't have slicks. but i'd run whether roll or dig.

[1civic]

what is it with you guys and roll races? i mean i have nothing against it but why is it that you almost insist on a roll? but also why must a run be with slicks? i built a streeet car. no it don't have slicks. but i'd run whether roll or dig.

I have a street car, but spinning is not winning!!...LOL

[Vteckidd]

what is it with you guys and roll races? i mean i have nothing against it but why is it that you almost insist on a roll? but also why must a run be with slicks? i built a streeet car. no it don't have slicks. but i'd run whether roll or dig.

Roll racing became popular like is said when about 5 years ago EVERYONE was turbo. Well the FWD cars didnt want to run digs because they either broke, or spun in place because most of the drivers couldnt...well......drive.

So people started doing roll racing.

And then , the "spots" got way too hot because it used to be 5-10 people showed up, we raced, we left. Then it became fast and furious and 50-75 people would show up, do burnouts, be obnoxious, so it got way too hard to keep it low key.

Honestly i think it just got to the point that people got too scared of getting caught, and roll racing is way easier. Like i said if youre doing 40-120 roll on the highway, as long as you get under 90mph when you see a cop youre usually fine. Worst thing youll get is a speeding ticket. If you do dig runs, you are stopped in the middle of an industrial area at 2am doing 50mph, they are gonna get you. Period.

It just became easier IMO and safer.

But in the 10 years i street raced, i NEVER EVER saw a FWD honda want to run with slicks on the street. Its too dangerous, and even if your car is sitting still its an automatic drag racing ticket

[Vteckidd]

i did digs vs ivan and Nemo with BFGs, but not full slicks

[112480]

what is it with you guys and roll races? i mean i have nothing against it but why is it that you almost insist on a roll? but also why must a run be with slicks? i built a streeet car. no it don't have slicks. but i'd run whether roll or dig.

Digs dont HAVE to be on slicks. Thats just a "select few" guys tire of choice. And it doesnt just HAVE to be about roll races. you can actually have both, but both parties have to agree on both. But in MOST cases(not all) the dig guys will not consent to a roll race. See to them roll racing is stupid,dumb,boring and gay. to the guys that do roll racing BOTH ways are fun, hence guys who are all about digs runs are closed minded. Now of course you cant say ALL of them are. Take 1civic for example. He PERFERS dig runs BUT IN NO WAY are afraid or intimidated by a roll race and will do either race. So to guys like him, u have to give respect b/c they cover both areas.

Now others................................ well you know. Basically DIG=better driver, ROLLS=FASTER car. This is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE!

Why do u think u see more roll races? even against the v8's or the lambos or ferrari's etc etc? Sure the are plenty of dig video with lambos, vipers and such, but ARE WAAAAAYYYYY more vids of roll races. The proof is there. youtube,streetfire etc etc etc

[merkd-ya]

k i see. well mines rwd :-) import/domestic and not all motor... then agian it's not finished i'm not talking shit LOL

[1civic]

Mike i've had a lot of luck with the ET street II's.. Now given I've never made BIG turbo power, I have spray'd.. Only in the 240 did I street race with a full slick, but the car was unloaded then loaded after the race.. Any advantage I'll take even with risk!! :)

With money on deck, well that's a no brain'er!! Why run with a handicap? If your car spins, then you could lose!!

AND yes we take risk each day getting out of bed, yes the track is safer, but we will always have street racing.. ;)

[Vteckidd]

Mike i've had a lot of luck with the ET street II's.. Now given I've never made BIG turbo power, I have spray'd.. Only in the 240 did I street race with a full slick, but the car was unloaded then loaded after the race.. Any advantage I'll take even with risk!! :)

I should say im referring to FWD CARS ONLY. RWD is totally different. You can run ET streets on the back of a 240 and cut 1.5 60fts all day long and still be able to steer your car and drive it. But try rolling out on 24.5s in a FWD NA Honda with 5psi of pressure and see how fast that bad boy turns lol


With money on deck, well that's a no brain'er!! Why run with a handicap? If your car spins, then you could lose!!
I never raced for money, so i never saw the need to put myself in that position. I either raced from a dig and if i spun, oh well, if i lost, oh well. I tried to give myself the best advantage possible, but i never was hard up to win so bad id risk putting myself in a bad position. If i ever street raced a RWD car then i would have no problem running ET Streets.

[112480]

Roll racing became popular like is said when about 5 years ago EVERYONE was turbo. Well the FWD cars didnt want to run digs because they either broke, or spun in place because most of the drivers couldnt...well......drive.

exactly but does that mean their car is slower than the other guys....HELL NO! How does a 12.5 sec EVO gets his ass handed to him by a 13.9sec civic on the highway? Simple EVO=better driver, civic=FASTER car.


And then , the "spots" got way too hot because it used to be 5-10 people showed up, we raced, we left. Then it became fast and furious and 50-75 people would show up, do burnouts, be obnoxious, so it got way too hard to keep it low key.

LOL! AHHH MEMORIES! Mount Industrial blvd, Southside(riverdale, pass the tracks in jonesboro,Stockbridge;beside where brandsmart is now), Moreland a.k.a THE HOLE!!! Northside off Barrett pkwy, shit we even did light to light!, over on the eastside in Fucking decatur dog! Litonia Indsutrial blvd!, WESTSIDE/South off camp creek(in certain spots) etc etc etc!

WE'VE DONE IT ALL WHEN IT COMES TO DIGS!


Honestly i think it just got to the point that people got too scared of getting caught, and roll racing is way easier. Like i said if youre doing 40-120 roll on the highway, as long as you get under 90mph when you see a cop youre usually fine. Worst thing youll get is a speeding ticket. If you do dig runs, you are stopped in the middle of an industrial area at 2am doing 50mph, they are gonna get you. Period.

EXACTLY! WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!?????????????????????????????????? ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But in the 10 years i street raced, i NEVER EVER saw a FWD honda want to run with slicks on the street. Its too dangerous, and even if your car is sitting still its an automatic drag racing ticket

LOL! They'll find out soon enough! Then i guess they will see why Ga is "so special"

[Vteckidd]

Fulton industrial, Boat Rock, Old Peachtree, parts of satellite blvd, Winter Chapel, Moreland Ave, 138, etc etc etc list goes on and on.

The dumbest spot i ever raced at was IIRC where 138 hits an intersection at the Ingles. We would line up on the red light and race on Green down 138. Usually on Sunday nights. Cops never bothered us because of that club down the street that people were jamming to get in.

[1civic]

I speak of both FWD and RWD since I've raced in both.. My 240 made some respectable power on the 150 pill, and the trans am, well it was never dyno'd and I never spray'd more than 100 on her.. To me there is much more sway in the RWD on full slicks, I'm not worried about driving FWD on slicks, nor do i make any big numbers so I would pick slicks if second party agree'd..

I see your point though Mike, but understand when money is only the line you want all odds in you favor, hints the reason people jump the start!! remember chase is a race!! LOL

But yes people I'm not trying to brag, but I've done both RWD, FWD, Digs, and Rolls on bikes and in cars.. For Money and for no money!!

[112480]

Fulton industrial, Boat Rock, Old Peachtree, parts of satellite blvd, Winter Chapel, Moreland Ave, 138, etc etc etc list goes on and on.

The dumbest spot i ever raced at was IIRC where 138 hits an intersection at the Ingles. We would line up on the red light and race on Green down 138. Usually on Sunday nights. Cops never bothered us because of that club down the street that people were jamming to get in.

Shit the dumbest spot for us was light to light from the tail end of Memorial Drive and stop doing it about a mile or so b4 the jail! LOL! like the police wasnt on the WHOLE memorial dive! Oh and hwy 78 used to be the shit too! I remember the NOPI shop off hwy 78 and when they had car shows there, we raced off the light in THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY! Shit that was stupid! at least it was on the weekend! LOL!

Flake mills road in decatur and parts in ellenwood, i.e RIVER ROAD! etc etc

[Vteckidd]

I guess my overall point is the NY guys are in for some boring nights because

1) Almost none of the honda guys run for money
2) there are VERY FEW fast NA cars, most runs 14s at best. Especially ones that go out to the "spots".
3) Theres maybe 5 on here that are respectable and fast, or worth racing, and almost all of them will not run for money, they will run for fun
4) there only hope is running the domestic guys, and good luck with that.
5) there is prob some turbo cars, but they only run roll races, which NY said they dont like doing

[1civic]

Boatrock, buffington, bufford, south fulton, the docks, the lot, moreland, grant rd... O they joys all these names bring back!!
I could list some more, but all the real racers know anyways!! :)

[112480]

I guess my overall point is the NY guys are in for some boring nights because

1) Almost none of the honda guys run for money
2) there are VERY FEW fast NA cars, most runs 14s at best. Especially ones that go out to the "spots".
3) Theres maybe 5 on here that are respectable and fast, or worth racing, and almost all of them will not run for money, they will run for fun
4) there only hope is running the domestic guys, and good luck with that.
5) there is prob some turbo cars, but they only run roll races, which NY said they dont like doing

eh mike, its like talking to a brick wall, LOL!

[1civic]

I guess my overall point is the NY guys are in for some boring nights because

1) Almost none of the honda guys run for money
2) there are VERY FEW fast NA cars, most runs 14s at best. Especially ones that go out to the "spots".
3) Theres maybe 5 on here that are respectable and fast, or worth racing, and almost all of them will not run for money, they will run for fun
4) there only hope is running the domestic guys, and good luck with that.
5) there is prob some turbo cars, but they only run roll races, which NY said they dont like doing

This is so true and one of the reason I stopped going out, well that and the people who like to follow just to watch!!
Atlanta got big fast, but cops cracked down..

The Hole is very well know, and I heard they run on the week days now.. LOL I rode by one night while looking for a car, and BAM guy come over the hill.. Luckly I had the flashers on and he switched back to his lane!! I stayed for a little bit to watch, posted up beside me was APD.. Funny shit down in those parts!!!

[112480]

This is so true and one of the reason I stopped going out, well that and the people who like to follow just to watch!!
Atlanta got big fast, but cops cracked down..

The Hole is very well know, and I heard they run on the week days now.. LOL I rode by one night while looking for a car, and BAM guy come over the hill.. Luckly I had the flashers on and he switched back to his lane!! I stayed for a little bit to watch, posted up beside me was APD.. Funny shit down in those parts!!!

LOL! APD just said fuck it huh? lol!

[1civic]

Stretch and Morris are good people you guys, once the shop gets set up they can focus more on RESULTS as Mike says..LOL
Both are laid back and level headed, I feel they will bring some spark back around.. It seems they have already..LOL

The cars in which they speak of will speak for them-selfs, it just a matter of time.. :)

By no means am I a nut swinger, I'm a motor junky car guy who see's a shop starting to bloom.. I welcome them to the scene here in Atlanta, and I wish them luck with the shop!!

Don't forget I'm a man and not a boy, I respect everyone here if they respect me.. AND Don't take all the shit talk to heart!!!

[112480]

Oh i personally think stretch is a cool guy. When i first met stretch he was funny to me. I was selling him a manifold and tried his best to talk me down on the price but in his NY way. LOL! shit was funny cause i never was approached like that b4. Even told a few ppl about it and said i hope to see him around again knowing he was from NY and i see the vids of how they get down up there. Dont know about morris yet. They just need to lighten up a bit. WE ALL welcome them and what they bring, they just need to realize SHIT TALKING WILL ALWAYS GO ON WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. Shit talking is what fuel the races as it ALWAYS has. look at the kills forum right after showdown. SHIT WAS BORING AND DEAD AS FUCK!

Telling you now, win or lose, when i race the vids WILL be posted up with ALOT of shit talking going on, so fair warning. I think the longer stretch and morris are here, they will lighten up more..... "its just a matter of time":)

[1civic]

LOL! APD just said fuck it huh? lol!
Yep, Think about it in ATl they have much more bullshit going on.. It took what a Full year for them to bust "The Lot" Hell I think GSP is the one who set it up!! Last time out on South Fulton APD came out, talked for a bit and said move along.. Only was it because of a noise complaint!!

[1civic]

Now as for the shit talk, I'd love to see some Midnight/MSP grudge matches!! Really any shops for that matter.. It's business!! Nothing personal!!
Any shops could line up with their cars... Hell Dyno Wars would be nice also!! We can't let things just die off in Atlanta like they have, I'm game for some events if someone promotes them!!

[jerseyef9]

Now as for the shit talk, I'd love to see some Midnight/MSP grudge matches!! Really any shops for that matter.. It's business!! Nothing personal!!
Any shops could line up with their cars... Hell Dyno Wars would be nice also!! We can't let things just die off in Atlanta like they have, I'm game for some events if someone promotes them!!

shut up

[MidnightAuto]

Oh i personally think stretch is a cool guy. When i first met stretch he was funny to me. I was selling him a manifold and tried his best to talk me down on the price but in his NY way. LOL! shit was funny cause i never was approached like that b4. Even told a few ppl about it and said i hope to see him around again knowing he was from NY and i see the vids of how they get down up there. Dont know about morris yet. They just need to lighten up a bit. WE ALL welcome them and what they bring, they just need to realize SHIT TALKING WILL ALWAYS GO ON WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. Shit talking is what fuel the races as it ALWAYS has. look at the kills forum right after showdown. SHIT WAS BORING AND DEAD AS FUCK!

Telling you now, win or lose, when i race the vids WILL be posted up with ALOT of shit talking going on, so fair warning. I think the longer stretch and morris are here, they will lighten up more..... "its just a matter of time":)
Listen you dont have to like me, matter of fact I dont want you to like me... You like shit talk so much but yet the comments I supposedly made (which in my eyes wasn't shit talk) got you all teary eyed and butt hurt yesterday.. Come on man grow up.. We are grown men, competition can be there without the high school shit talk... If we are friends then yea shit talk amongst friends is cool, but we def are not friends. People on these internet forums forget that there is a real world out there and you cant act the way they do and think its ok.

[jerseyef9]

Listen you dont have to like me, matter of fact I dont want you to like me... You like shit talk so much but yet the comments I supposedly made (which in my eyes wasn't shit talk) got you all teary eyed and butt hurt yesterday.. Come on man grow up.. We are grown men, competition can be there without the high school shit talk... If we are friends then yea shit talk amongst friends is cool, but we def are not friends. People on these internet forums forget that there is a real world out there and you cant act the way they do and think its ok.


:cheers:

[*EFilliated*]

lmao that the best come back u got, lol if i was jumping on the bandwagon i would of told u how dumb u sounded from the getgo


isnt it past your curfew kid?

Now youre just attacking me to be on the bandwagon.

[stretch]

Roll racing became popular like is said when about 5 years ago EVERYONE was turbo. Well the FWD cars didnt want to run digs because they either broke, or spun in place because most of the drivers couldnt...well......drive.

So people started doing roll racing.

And then , the "spots" got way too hot because it used to be 5-10 people showed up, we raced, we left. Then it became fast and furious and 50-75 people would show up, do burnouts, be obnoxious, so it got way too hard to keep it low key.

Honestly i think it just got to the point that people got too scared of getting caught, and roll racing is way easier. Like i said if youre doing 40-120 roll on the highway, as long as you get under 90mph when you see a cop youre usually fine. Worst thing youll get is a speeding ticket. If you do dig runs, you are stopped in the middle of an industrial area at 2am doing 50mph, they are gonna get you. Period.

It just became easier IMO and safer.

But in the 10 years i street raced, i NEVER EVER saw a FWD honda want to run with slicks on the street. Its too dangerous, and even if your car is sitting still its an automatic drag racing ticket

on a humble note vtecckidd it can be done n has been done.... ill explain when i see u, not on a forum

[112480]

Listen you dont have to like me, matter of fact I dont want you to like me... You like shit talk so much but yet the comments I supposedly made (which in my eyes wasn't shit talk) got you all teary eyed and butt hurt yesterday.. Come on man grow up.. We are grown men, competition can be there without the high school shit talk... If we are friends then yea shit talk amongst friends is cool, but we def are not friends. People on these internet forums forget that there is a real world out there and you cant act the way they do and think its ok.

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::b oohoo::boohoo:

[Vteckidd]

lmao that the best come back u got, lol if i was jumping on the bandwagon i would of told u how dumb u sounded from the getgo

youre not even worth responding. I dont really pay attention to people that cant even legally drink LOL

[Vteckidd]

on a humble note vtecckidd it can be done n has been done.... ill explain when i see u, not on a forum

:thumbup:

[112480]

on a humble note vtecckidd it can be done n has been done.... ill explain when i see u, not on a forum

But stretch man, why go threw all that and risk the trouble?

[Vteckidd]

Listen you dont have to like me, matter of fact I dont want you to like me... You like shit talk so much but yet the comments I supposedly made (which in my eyes wasn't shit talk) got you all teary eyed and butt hurt yesterday.. Come on man grow up.. We are grown men, competition can be there without the high school shit talk... If we are friends then yea shit talk amongst friends is cool, but we def are not friends. People on these internet forums forget that there is a real world out there and you cant act the way they do and think its ok.

ehh i got a big mouth, and i say what i mean. Im not threatening anyone here with physical violence or anything like that. Cause at the end of the day its cars, its not worth fighting or getting REALLY mad over.

But i voice my opinion regardless if people like it or not, thats just me, and im like that with anything. So dont take it so personally. Its not like im wishing you harm or bad luck. Im just stating a position.

:)

[Vteckidd]

But stretch man, why go threw all that and risk the trouble?

cause for them, its worth it.

They prob are used to racing for money. And an NA Honda racing for money WITHOUT slicks, is a 13-14 second car. So itll lose. So if you ONLY build NA Hondas, you HAVE to run with slicks, or your cars just not going to win or be at a serious disadvantage.

My 200whp ITR CRX was a low 13 second car on 24.5in clicks with crappy 60fts. Trapped 109mph. When i went to commerce on BFG Drag Radials, the FASTEST time i got was a 14.2@108. My car was a full second SLOWER on DRAG RADIALS vs full slicks. So imagine that in a street race. Now imagine a car making 240-250-275whp or even worse, more than 160TQ. Itll NEVER get traction. I bet you right now if i took someones 190whp CRX and ran the Midnight Auto hatch street tires for street tires, they would prob lose a street race. They would spin so bad on DOTs , and lets face it a REAL street race is NEVER 1/4 mile. So basically you have a car that prob cuts 2.4 60fts and by the time it gets traction in the 1/8 the race is over.

So if they are coming out racing for money, theyll want to be on slicks.

we always race for fun, so it was never worth the risk, and we usually did LOW roll races instead of digs, like 5-10mph roll then go.

[*EFilliated*]

lmao cool story bro


youre not even worth responding. I dont really pay attention to people that cant even legally drink LOL

[*EFilliated*]

lmao damn 14s with radials. i ran 13.4 on shitty street tires at commerce, untuned, gsr base map, open dif, weighing 2450, making less then 200whp. LMAO fail


cause for them, its worth it.

They prob are used to racing for money. And an NA Honda racing for money WITHOUT slicks, is a 13-14 second car. So itll lose. So if you ONLY build NA Hondas, you HAVE to run with slicks, or your cars just not going to win or be at a serious disadvantage.

My 200whp ITR CRX was a low 13 second car on 24.5in clicks with crappy 60fts. Trapped 109mph. When i went to commerce on BFG Drag Radials, the FASTEST time i got was a 14.2@108. My car was a full second SLOWER on DRAG RADIALS vs full slicks. So imagine that in a street race. Now imagine a car making 240-250-275whp or even worse, more than 160TQ. Itll NEVER get traction. I bet you right now if i took someones 190whp CRX and ran the Midnight Auto hatch street tires for street tires, they would prob lose a street race. They would spin so bad on DOTs , and lets face it a REAL street race is NEVER 1/4 mile. So basically you have a car that prob cuts 2.4 60fts and by the time it gets traction in the 1/8 the race is over.

So if they are coming out racing for money, theyll want to be on slicks.

we always race for fun, so it was never worth the risk, and we usually did LOW roll races instead of digs, like 5-10mph roll then go.

[112480]

ehh i got a big mouth, and i say what i mean. Im not threatening anyone here with physical violence or anything like that. Cause at the end of the day its cars, its not worth fighting or getting REALLY mad over.

But i voice my opinion regardless if people like it or not, thats just me, and im like that with anything. So dont take it so personally. Its not like im wishing you harm or bad luck. Im just stating a position.

:)

Well mike, i've been around those types too who cant take the shit talking but THINK when they see you in person that they'll punk you or THINK that they can whoop ur ass. Been there done that too and obvisously i'm still here! "NIGGAZ HATE ME BUT I AINT GOT NO HOLES IN ME!!!"

[Vteckidd]

lmao damn 14s with radials. i ran 13.4 on shitty street tires are commerce lol

yup with 205/15s BFG Drag Radials i ran 14.2 on a friday night with Chunky. Chunkys 240whp K Series ran 14.2s on street tires.

Either you made A LOT more power, or you were there on a track prepped night. I call bullshit on a low 13 second pass on straight up street tires unless you were making well over 200whp

Even the Import Xpert hatches were running 13.9-14.0 that night. Doesnt matter what you had , all i did was spin, i even let other people drive my car and we all got the same result. 2 months later i went back with 24.5in slicks, and they were way too big, i needed 22s cause i wasnt making enough power, and i was running 13.2-13.3 all day. Not bad for 200whp and a 4.4 FD. 22s i would have gotten into the high 12s which is what i was hoping for.

I never got to run it with the supercharger and 4.9, that would have been cool to see.

[Vteckidd]

Well mike, i've been around those types too who cant take the shit talking but THINK when they see you in person that they'll punk you or THINK that they can whoop ur ass. Been there done that too and obvisously i'm still here! "NIGGAZ HATE ME BUT I AINT GOT NO HOLES IN ME!!!"

we have had some pretty big arguments online, but i never understood the "im gonna kick your ass" mentality. Or the "i saw you at QT once and you didnt wave hi so you must be a pussy" mentality.

Just because we get heated or have a disagreement, call each other out, "talk shit" doesnt mean i cant be an adult when i see you. I mean are you really asking me to run up to you at a public event and throw down into a brawl over some .....internet street racing disagreement? Ive been to jail enough i dont need to go anymore

Anything i say online im willing to say in person. But theres no need to get all worked up over it. I dont lose any sleep at night over anything said on here

[*EFilliated*]

lol u just cant drive, i have several witnesses and time slip somewhere in atlanta ( BONE STOCK MOTOR). lol wow to you sir


yup with 205/15s BFG Drag Radials i ran 14.2 on a friday night with Chunky. Chunkys 240whp K Series ran 14.2s on street tires.

Either you made A LOT more power, or you were there on a track prepped night. I call bullshit on a low 13 second pass on straight up street tires unless you were making well over 200whp

Even the Import Xpert hatches were running 13.9-14.0 that night. Doesnt matter what you had , all i did was spin, i even let other people drive my car and we all got the same result. 2 months later i went back with 24.5in slicks, and they were way too big, i needed 22s cause i wasnt making enough power, and i was running 13.2-13.3 all day. Not bad for 200whp and a 4.4 FD. 22s i would have gotten into the high 12s which is what i was hoping for.

I never got to run it with the supercharger and 4.9, that would have been cool to see.

[David88vert]

I know EFilliated is telling the truth about the 13.4. It is not BS.

[112480]

we have had some pretty big arguments online, but i never understood the "im gonna kick your ass" mentality. Or the "i saw you at QT once and you didnt wave hi so you must be a pussy" mentality.

Just because we get heated or have a disagreement, call each other out, "talk shit" doesnt mean i cant be an adult when i see you. I mean are you really asking me to run up to you at a public event and throw down into a brawl over some .....internet street racing disagreement? Ive been to jail enough i dont need to go anymore

Anything i say online im willing to say in person. But theres no need to get all worked up over it. I dont lose any sleep at night over anything said on here

Eh, they dont understand that either............ So u fight at the events, get kick out and banned from them, then what?

[Vteckidd]

lol u just cant drive, i have several witnesses and time slip somewhere in atlanta ( BONE STOCK MOTOR). lol wow to you sir

LOL ahhhh my feelings are hurt. youre right i could not get traction in first. Rest of my run(s) were clean. You cant fuck up a 1-3 gears and revving to 9900. I finished the quarter in 3rd gear.

My problem was the 2.3-2.4 60fts i could not overcome because the track wouldnt allow for it. I dropped my tired pressure down to 5psi and it still would not hook. Plus i was on BFGs, they are DOT tires so even though they are classified as "drag radials" then arent REALLY. I have several witnesses too, and several people who jumped in and drove after me. There were a bunch of NA cars there that night, no one was running a good time. Import Xpert left because the track was so bad.

So nice try. So a BONE STOCK MOTOR was running low 13s at commerce on street tires? Man that means there should be countless B16 swapped CRXs running low 13s then! (sarcasm) A bone stock motor means 170-200whp tops. even my Type-R motor with a header made 198whp.

I mean if you pulled it off good for you but ive been to commerce more than 50 times, and ive seen a ton of 180-200whp cars run, and the story is always the same. If you ahve street tires, you run really shitty times. period.

Tell you waht bring a STOCK moTOR car out on STREET TIRES to commerce and if you run faster than a 13.6 ill give you $100

[Vteckidd]

I know EFilliated is telling the truth about the 13.4. It is not BS.

He lieing about something, cause ive seen my fair share of NA hondas up there, and no way is a BONE STOCK motor car running 13.4s, sorry. Define STOCK. What chassis? Does he mean BFG Drag Radials, or real street tires?

Im not even talking about myself cause ive already said im not the best track driver. But there are TONS of people (jenson, johnzm, chunky, Kevin, etc) who all have the same power i did or same setup and no one runs those times. This kid is not some super special driver.

Johnzms 180whp 1800lb CRX with 22in SLICKS RAN 13.4 with 1.6 60Fts. You CANNOT pull those 60fts on a Street tire, sorry.

You telling me a BONE STOCK motor car was running 13.2s (which was as fast as some of the SLICKED cars at last Import Faceoff????) Come on.

This sounds like the 12.2 Stock H22 motor guy in a CRX.

Efilliated what was your 60fts. NO Honda cuts 1.5-1.6 60fts on street tires. So you must have had A) A TON OF POWER on the top end or B) an extremely light car

If you did it congrats, but theres something you are leaving out.

[Vteckidd]

UNLESS it was some "bone stock" K Series, then i would love to know more on the setup. I just dont see a bone stock B or H running those kind of times, on street tires. They dont make enough power to overcome the inevitable bad 60ft times.

For reference my CRX was 2350 with 198whp/139TQ. With BFGs at ANY RPM, the best 60 ft i cut was 2.2. I even rolled out on one, and spun through 2nd. I know my car, and i know there was nothing i could do to get it to hook. which is why i went back with slicks later

[*EFilliated*]

lol y the hell would i lie, my car a 93 EX coupe, weighing 2450 without back seats and me in it. STREET tires, KUMHO ecstas or sum shit. 2. something 60 ft.
bone stock h2b, open dif b16 tranny, revving to 8k. untuned with a GSR base map. 2.25'' exhaust.

trapping at 103mph

and i know i wasnt making more then 200whp because the guy who owns it now dynoed it with skunk2 Mani, TUNED on ECtune made 199whp.

mayb u should open ur eyes and realize that bseries STOCK compared to h or K have no comparison. this is 2011 sir

and like i said above, this is the cars dyno numbers with the new owners.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/luismerchan/h2b2-1.png
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/luismerchan/img2689i-1.jpg



He lieing about something, cause ive seen my fair share of NA hondas up there, and no way is a BONE STOCK motor car running 13.4s, sorry. Define STOCK. What chassis? Does he mean BFG Drag Radials, or real street tires?

Im not even talking about myself cause ive already said im not the best track driver. But there are TONS of people (jenson, johnzm, chunky, Kevin, etc) who all have the same power i did or same setup and no one runs those times. This kid is not some super special driver.

Johnzms 180whp 1800lb CRX with 22in SLICKS RAN 13.4 with 1.6 60Fts. You CANNOT pull those 60fts on a Street tire, sorry.

You telling me a BONE STOCK motor car was running 13.2s (which was as fast as some of the SLICKED cars at last Import Faceoff????) Come on.

This sounds like the 12.2 Stock H22 motor guy in a CRX.

Efilliated what was your 60fts. NO Honda cuts 1.5-1.6 60fts on street tires. So you must have had A) A TON OF POWER on the top end or B) an extremely light car

If you did it congrats, but theres something you are leaving out.

[Vteckidd]

lol y the hell would i lie, my car a 93 EX coupe, weighing 2450 without back seats and me in it. STREET tires, KUMHO ecstas or sum shit. 2. something 60 ft.
bone stock h2b, open dif b16 tranny, revving to 8k. untuned with a GSR base map. 2.25'' exhaust.

trapping at 103mph

and i know i wasnt making more then 200whp because the guy who owns it now dynoed it with skunk2 Mani, TUNED on ECtune made 199whp.



Ok exactly like i said, look at what you are saying:

Both chassis weigh the same (2400lbs)
Both cars make the same power (190-200whp)
Both cars had 2.X 60fts (2.2-2.4)
Both cars had the same tranny
Both Cars trapped over 100 (103mph vs 103mph)

And youre telling me you ran .8 faster? that has NOTHING to do with driver. You cut the same times as me. So either the time was WAY off when I ran, or when you ran. You cant escape physics and simple math.

EVERYTHING WAS EQUAL. At most you make 15ft/lbs more TQ. ANd that doesnt mean anything because you cut the same ET and 60 foot as my car.

So you tell me where its "driver error" lol

[*EFilliated*]

o and by the way, that was my 3rd time ever making a pass down the track. lol im not even gonna argue with u, u obviously still back in 06 with ur fast CRX.


Ok exactly like i said, look at what you are saying:

Both chassis weigh the same (2400lbs)
Both cars make the same power (190-200whp)
Both cars had 2.X 60fts (2.2-2.4)
Both cars had the same tranny
Both Cars trapped over 100 (103mph vs 103mph)

And youre telling me you ran .8 faster? that has NOTHING to do with driver. You cut the same times as me. So either the time was WAY off when I ran, or when you ran. You cant escape physics and simple math.

EVERYTHING WAS EQUAL. At most you make 15ft/lbs more TQ. ANd that doesnt mean anything because you cut the same ET and 60 foot as my car.

So you tell me where its "driver error" lol

[Vteckidd]

The Crx I'm talking about was from 09 buddy. It's cool if you really ran that awesome. Something doesn't add up, but whatever.

You ran a magic time, congrats

[*EFilliated*]

numbers dont lie period. lol have a nice day


The Crx I'm talking about was from 09 buddy. It's cool if you really ran that awesome. Something doesn't add up, but whatever.

You ran a magic time, congrats

[Vteckidd]

Explain to me genius how we run same 60ft, ET, same power, same gearing, same weight yet you run .8 faster

I'm waiting. This should be good.

[jerseyef9]

vteckidd first of all why would run 24.5slicks with barely 200whp:thinking:
i personally witness luis run 13.40s on street tires :cheers:

[1civic]

vteckidd first of all why would run 24.5slicks with barely 200whp:thinking:
i personally witness luis run 13.40s on street tires :cheers:

Shut Up!

[jerseyef9]

Shut Up!

:lmfao::2up:

[1civic]

I went 12.9 @ 106 with a 1.8 60ft on street tires... Given the car at the time weighed 1610 with me in it...LMAO!

[1civic]

"this one time at band camp, i stuck a flute in my pussy"









EDIT:
Random quote from American Pie!!:crazy:

[DarKStaR]

ooo ooo can i get in on this argument....i went 13.9@100 on street tires 2500lbs car with 170whp........

[DarKStaR]

ooo ooo can i get in on this argument....i went 13.9@100 on street tires 2500lbs car with 170whp........

[Vteckidd]

ooo ooo can i get in on this argument....i went 13.9@100 on street tires 2500lbs car with 170whp........
60ft ?

At commerce?

I would believe that.

[stretch]

Oh i personally think stretch is a cool guy. When i first met stretch he was funny to me. I was selling him a manifold and tried his best to talk me down on the price but in his NY way. LOL! shit was funny cause i never was approached like that b4. Even told a few ppl about it and said i hope to see him around again knowing he was from NY and i see the vids of how they get down up there. Dont know about morris yet. They just need to lighten up a bit. WE ALL welcome them and what they bring, they just need to realize SHIT TALKING WILL ALWAYS GO ON WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. Shit talking is what fuel the races as it ALWAYS has. look at the kills forum right after showdown. SHIT WAS BORING AND DEAD AS FUCK!

Telling you now, win or lose, when i race the vids WILL be posted up with ALOT of shit talking going on, so fair warning. I think the longer stretch and morris are here, they will lighten up more..... "its just a matter of time":)

u say shit talking fuel races right, but why shit talk if ur not able to race?????????

[Vteckidd]

vteckidd first of all why would run 24.5slicks with barely 200whp:thinking:
i personally witness luis run 13.40s on street tires :cheers:

Only slicks I had access too and they were way too big. I dropped them down to 5psi and basically it would dead hook and bog. I should have aired them up to like 20psi to get them to spin but I didn't have time. Spoolin even ran my car that day too and we all know he can drive, and he ran same times as me.
I was launching at 8500
Lol

Anyways 13.4 at commerce with a 2.x 60ft and 103 trap speed.... That's just completely opposite of countless cars I've seen run there. There HAS to be something missing

[Vteckidd]

I went 12.9 @ 106 with a 1.8 60ft on street tires... Given the car at the time weighed 1610 with me in it...LMAO!

That's fast, but trap speed seems low but with 1.8 60 I can see that. Especially with the car weight.

Must have been really good tires. I tried everything from 2000-8000 rpms and it did not matter I couldn't cut anything faster than a 2.2 that night.

I think the fastest chunky got was a 2.1 and the import xpert cars barely got 2.0

[DarKStaR]

60ft ?

At commerce?

I would believe that.

2.2 at SDR, i actually did that with 166whp, and added a few things to make it 175whp and was consistant 13.9s and could pull it with only a 97mph trap

[*EFilliated*]

thats 2 witnesses so far, and there is plenty more, ask david ( EL cangri ) he was there that night and saw the pass, and he knew my motor was bone stock. if u dont believe it i really could care less, i sir have nothing to prove to u.

but dont forget u sayed if i run a 13.6 on street tires u will pay me $100, when i finish putting in my motor i will let u know.


Only slicks I had access too and they were way too big. I dropped them down to 5psi and basically it would dead hook and bog. I should have aired them up to like 20psi to get them to spin but I didn't have time. Spoolin even ran my car that day too and we all know he can drive, and he ran same times as me.
I was launching at 8500
Lol

Anyways 13.4 at commerce with a 2.x 60ft and 103 trap speed.... That's just completely opposite of countless cars I've seen run there. There HAS to be something missing

[Moseley]

Since we're talking shit about track times... I think it is hilarious how people tried to say that when Luis owned the hatch before me that it wasn't very fast. When I bought it from him, I did nothing but bolt on some slicks. Then went to commerce and ran a 12.3 @ 111 on the very first pass.

The thing is the car has been nearly that fast all along. Just a few tweaks here and there. From day 1 (november '06) I bet it would have done a 12.5 or 12.6 on slicks.

[Vteckidd]

^^^^

Considering it ran a 12.3 with slicks I wonder what it ran without slicks. My itr Crx was not that much slower. But I don't have the tq or gearing Luis did.

Effiliated I said "with a bone stock motor"

If you ran it congrats, but again, something doesn't sound ride come on you can't be that fucking dense. To say "you can't drive" when I ran the EXACT SAME 1/4 you did is funny. The only difference is somehow you got .8 faster. I don't take 2 seconds to shift. I'm not a track driver but I'm also not that bad lol

Anyone wanna throw in their .02 I'm at a loss.

Darkstar SDR doesn't count. Any track outside commerce is automatically .2-.5 faster

[1civic]

That's fast, but trap speed seems low but with 1.8 60 I can see that. Especially with the car weight.

Must have been really good tires. I tried everything from 2000-8000 rpms and it did not matter I couldn't cut anything faster than a 2.2 that night.

I think the fastest chunky got was a 2.1 and the import xpert cars barely got 2.0

Treadwear was like 140, Brigdestone tires.. Better night for Commerce since some 10.5 cars where there...LOL HEHE

[Vteckidd]

I'm not saying you aren't capable, or it didn't happen, or your car wasn't capable etc.

I'm saying you had a good night. The night I was at commerce you would NOT have run that fast. Ivans h2b ran a low 13 on drag radials but it was at silver dollar . Every other track seems to favor NA hondas more than commerce.

I can name 20 people who had cars weight power same as us an none ran that fast on street tires.

Black r type r EF
MY itr Crx
Johnzm gsr Crx
Kevin lsvtec Crx
Chunky
Kierans 200whp dc2
William balou gsr 185whp b16 cx eg
Spoolin driving my car
My 188whp Crx

Are you telling me ALL those guys are just horrible drivers, even though our 60ft and ET are all identical to yours?

Come on even you can see my point

[Vteckidd]

Treadwear was like 140, Brigdestone tires.. Better night for Commerce since some 10.5 cars where there...LOL HEHE

You know I've heard the best day to go to commerce is the weekend before a v8 race or when you know a ton of v8s are going to be there. Free VHT

[1civic]

Since we're talking shit about track times... I think it is hilarious how people tried to say that when Luis owned the hatch before me that it wasn't very fast. When I bought it from him, I did nothing but bolt on some slicks. Then went to commerce and ran a 12.3 @ 111 on the very first pass.

The thing is the car has been nearly that fast all along. Just a few tweaks here and there. From day 1 (november '06) I bet it would have done a 12.5 or 12.6 on slicks.

It don't matter what it runs, I'm going bust dat ass again with new owner!!:yes:

[1civic]

You know I've heard the best day to go to commerce is the weekend before a v8 race or when you know a ton of v8s are going to be there. Free VHT

Yes, TNT before the NHRA stuff, V8 guys know the days, used to be the snap-on track days I think.. They work the track much better!! Really a waste of VHT when it's only 14sec cars on street tires racing.. ;)

[*EFilliated*]

do u know what ur 1/8th of a mile was? i and i was just talking shit about u not knowing how to drive. idk if u can or not. but back to the fact that there is witnesses u cant really argue with that period. i have no reason to lie, the people that know me know that i dnt BS when it comes to racing. and if i find the time slip when i go back home i will be glad to post it up.


^^^^

Considering it ran a 12.3 with slicks I wonder what it ran without slicks. My itr Crx was not that much slower. But I don't have the tq or gearing Luis did.

Effiliated I said "with a bone stock motor"

If you ran it congrats, but again, something doesn't sound ride come on you can't be that fucking dense. To say "you can't drive" when I ran the EXACT SAME 1/4 you did is funny. The only difference is somehow you got .8 faster. I don't take 2 seconds to shift. I'm not a track driver but I'm also not that bad lol

Anyone wanna throw in their .02 I'm at a loss.

Darkstar SDR doesn't count. Any track outside commerce is automatically .2-.5 faster

[91s13]

Back in the day i had a 97 civic ex coupe with a stock gsr swap. I/H/E and it weighed 2525 and it dynoed 148whp and the best I ever did was a 15.1 on street tires and that was at silver dollar. the best i did at commerce was a 15.7 on my very first time on the track

[Vteckidd]

No need man I believe you. No reason to lie like to said. Trust me I'm not bragging when I say I ran 14s either lol

Sounds like it was a fast car at the track, thats why I hated going to the track. It was so frustrating and disappointing lol

[1civic]

Back in the day i had a 97 civic ex coupe with a stock gsr swap. I/H/E and it weighed 2525 and it dynoed 148whp and the best I ever did was a 15.1 on street tires and that was at silver dollar. the best i did at commerce was a 15.7 on my very first time on the track
WOW, that car was a turtle!! My huffy went 15.0 with 2 ft power weighing 160lb!!! Geeeezzz...LOL

[*EFilliated*]

lol, who u telling, i ran 13.4 on street tires then slapped on 23s and my first time on slicks i ran like a 14.6 lol :headslap:. took me 8 passes to get it down, slicks are a whole diffrent ball game


No need man I believe you. No reason to lie like to said. Trust me I'm not bragging when I say I ran 14s either lol

Sounds like it was a fast car at the track, thats why I hated going to the track. It was so frustrating and disappointing lol

[91s13]

WOW, that car was a turtle!! My huffy went 15.0 with 2 ft power weighing 160lb!!! Geeeezzz...LOL

ran good on the street. street raced every weekend in it. it's slow for this day and time but then it was quick for what it was. trust me it got respect

[collins]

Another thing stretch, since you FINALLY reconized that "when in rome you have to do what the romans do", can u relay that to morris? cause he specifically said he will NEVER do roll races,but at the same time wants to "take out a few select cars". Well what if the "few select cars" want to do a roll race and not a dig on the streets with slicks????? dig runs aint so bad ;)


The Crx I'm talking about was from 09 buddy. i remember that car. we ran up 75, remember? lol wasnt really a fair race tho. in your defense, that little red rice rocket did better than i thought it would haha

[Vteckidd]

What's not respectable is the fact it prob cost you $4000 to do a gsr swap just to run 15s lol Ahhhhhh the old days things were so much simpler

But yeah my first Crx made 188whp with a built gsr and it won a lot street racing but I think the best it ever made a track pass was 14.4. But I track it with 14in del sol wheels. It trapped 104 lol

I really do hate the track. And I always said it was a very humbling place for street racers to go. I alway have respect for guys who run good times cause I never could

[Vteckidd]

dig runs aint so bad ;)

i remember that car. we ran up 75, remember? lol wasnt really a fair race tho. in your defense, that little red rice rocket did better than i thought it would haha

Yeah it was a good run with your GTO haha I just wanted to run a v8

[91s13]

What's not respectable is the fact it prob cost you $4000 to do a gsr swap just to run 15s lol Ahhhhhh the old days things were so much simpler

But yeah my first Crx made 188whp with a built gsr and it won a lot street racing but I think the best it ever made a track pass was 14.4. But I track it with 14in del sol wheels. It trapped 104 lol

I really do hate the track. And I always said it was a very humbling place for street racers to go. I alway have respect for guys who run good times cause I never could

it was a fun car to drive

[collins]

Yeah it was a good run with your GTO haha I just wanted to run a v8
so you picked the heaviest mofo with a v8 to try to beat it hahaha pickin on lil 'ol me.....

[1civic]

ran good on the street. street raced every weekend in it. it's slow for this day and time but then it was quick for what it was. trust me it got respect

True DAT, Any swap'd civic was quick back in the day!! LOL

[collins]

True DAT, Any swap'd civic was quick back in the day!! LOL

i dunno about that... my b20 swapped dc4 was slow as piss! lol
yeah, i knwo its not technically a civic, but close enough

[1civic]

i dunno about that... my b20 swapped dc4 was slow as piss! lol
yeah, i knwo its not technically a civic, but close enough

You were missing the vtec part!! Thats 40hp homie!!...LOL

[collins]

yeah heard that lol. no worries man, that was back when i was broke as a joke and blew the b18 in it. had to have something quick! haha oh i miss that car tho... 15.0's and all lol

[Vteckidd]

it was a fun car to drive

The best cars I ever owned were the simplest ones. They didn't make the most power but they were fun.

I absolutely loved my rhd Silvia that made 220whp and my rhd 180sx that made 230whp. Slow but so much fun

[h22 jones]

Honestly slicks dont always get you half a second in the quarter. Ten years ago i ran 13.5 with street tires and 13.5 with slicks . Either way the same time. With street tires i had to role off the line . With slicks i launched real hard .The difference is in oreder to hook the slicks i had to let enough air out to kill my trap with a stock h22 plus stock h22 gearing .Sure my 60 foots were higher but i lost 4mph trap in the quarter. I ran 13.5 with slicks with th f20b stock in a stock si hatch back heavy as fuck. Everybody has always hated on h22s since the old days when in reality the have always been the best bang for the buck. I either out run or it was tit for tat with my friends turbo gsr and turbo b16 with my bone stock h22 . They are a beast and with the h2b kit they are capable of 12.9 stock. So a 13.5 on street tires is very beleiveable with dropping half a second with slicks.

On the other hand dont act like it was that easy and you could go to every track and run them times because you know your wrong . You had problems getting the same times with slicks . It all takes practice and ive seen some cars that hook well not benifit one bit from slicks because they arnt making enough power to need them . On the other hand you take me were i had the car set up pretty good running decent times and change one thing and cant get the 22s to hook .

Mike is right the track is a whole different cup of tea then the street . I have preached this to gregg alos. Dont think because you beat somebody that your car will runa number at the track if you have never been. Its no that easy lol.

Thats one thing i liked about our car. if we decided to street race the car had great gearing for that and as long as we run 22 inch slicks we could put down decent times at the track . When you let 22-9 inch slicks down to 7-8 pounds of air at the track and launch at 6,000 rpms and cant get traction you have a well built h22 lol simple as that . I wish we could run a 11 second pass before the new car but no need in changing the whole set up now when we have another car. Also the only tires i have hooked enough to break axles is a set of 23inch drag radials lol who would of thought.

[112480]

u say shit talking fuel races right, but why shit talk if ur not able to race?????????

Because stretch, the wind blows where it may. So i'm just the wind right now blowing on the fire thats already there............................................. ..................... until I DECIDE to solidate myself into fuel:ninja:

[112480]

Mike is right the track is a whole different cup of tea then the street . I have preached this to gregg alos. Dont think because you beat somebody that your car will runa number at the track if you have never been. Its no that easy lol.

Oh touche mike! And lets make that both way shell we? Just because you beat somebody in a DIG RUN ON THE STREETS ON FULL SLICKS, doesnt mean ur car is faster. Just means ur a better driver:yes:

[Vteckidd]

Memories
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[Vteckidd]

200whp CRX vs bolt on C5
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[Vteckidd]

Pull to9000+
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[Vteckidd]

vs collins GTO (i got killed haha)
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[Vteckidd]

ok im done spamming

[stretch]

Because stretch, the wind blows where it may. So i'm just the wind right now blowing on the fire thats already there............................................. ..................... until I DECIDE to solidate myself into fuel:ninja:

if u only know how stupid u sound right now gregg... but anyways....... stop talking to me about this cause like i said about 10 post ago.. IM DONE..... lata

[112480]

if u only know how stupid u sound right now gregg... but anyways....... stop talking to me about this cause like i said about 10 post ago.. IM DONE..... lata

LOL! It only sounds STUPID TO YOU STRETCH! I'm just talking shit anyway so its not to be taken literal. BUT as usual YOU LACK THE COMMON SENSE TO SEE IT! Have a nice day:)

[Vteckidd]

if u only know how stupid u sound right now gregg... but anyways....... stop talking to me about this cause like i said about 10 post ago.. IM DONE..... lata

post up more videos

[112480]

post up more videos

Sure, here ya go. Too bad they wont see MUCH(didnt say any) of that here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clymE7qejGc&feature=related

Oh and in case they say anything, here's Moseley WHOOPING MY ASS:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipc4zmVeRGY

So at the time Moseley had THE FASTER CAR! Doesnt matter if i put a faster time down at the track because HE STILL(at that time)HAS THE FASTER CAR!!!!! Who gives a shit if my car at the time was to run a 11.5 and moseley ran a 12.3, HE STILL(at that time)HAS THE FASTER CAR!! So in the end his car is faster, PERIOD!

[Moseley]

I wouldn't say that was whooping your ass. I think I got a very slight jump on you on the first two runs. like .1 second maybe. but it made a difference. And whomever said 3 beeps is lame... its no different than watching hands drop or watching a tree. I didn't go before the beep so that is all that matters.

Too bad the video of the 3rd run turned out to be bad. It was recorded from behind, and the camera wasn't focused. We went about the same time on that one and I had what maybe a half car on you at 100mph?

[112480]

I wouldn't say that was whooping your ass. I think I got a very slight jump on you on the first two runs. like .1 second maybe. but it made a difference. And whomever said 3 beeps is lame... its no different than watching hands drop or watching a tree. I didn't go before the beep so that is all that matters.

Too bad the video of the 3rd run turned out to be bad. It was recorded from behind, and the camera wasn't focused. We went about the same time on that one and I had what maybe a half car on you at 100mph?

Yea u did on the 3rd run cause i was revving a little higher than the first two and still wasnt at my "sweet spot" but i dont like bringing the 3rd run up b/c it sounds like i would be making excuses when u CLEARLY beat me all three runs:)

[Vteckidd]

In the end it all comes down to who has a perfect run and who doesn't. Just like any competition. I ran 14s at the track but beat other cars that ran 13.0. My 2.0l beat cars that ran 12s but doesn't mean my car was a 12 second car cause it never did it.

So it goes both ways.

In the end just have a goal, have fun, don't get caught up in whp and scenarios or coulda shoulda woulda.

I know we all have ego and personalities but at tue end of the day regardless of the shit talking I hope everyone runs fast and gets what they want. So I hope midnight runs fast, I hope Bobby gets his car together, I hope Greg gets his motor or car back on the road, and I hope Mosely gets motivated to bring the 2.o out.

But most of all I hope disco monkey still kicks y'all ass

B>K :p

[112480]

and ACTUALLY moseley, power wise, u DID whoop my ass. lol! i made 32 more whp than you, oh sorry i MAKE 32whp more than you! LOL! I was to crunk at the time to realize the gearing difference between us thus leading to my demise. but i FINALLY took H22jones and Chunkys advice:goodjob:

[112480]

But most of all I hope disco monkey still kicks y'all ass
B>K :p

God Dammit Mike! We'll see about that:ninja:

[DarKStaR]

theres a few cars coming out that should run pretty good...

[Moseley]

Gregg here is why dyno #s can be really misleading. A dyno measures whp by how quickly your car spins up a drum in that particular gear. It does math based upon the speed and acceleration of the drum. So based upon the drum spinning up at X rate, it can compute power, but if the dyno gave back the raw numbers it is reading, we'd all be doing dyno runs in 1st gear and making 2000+lbs of torque. So the dyno does some math to guestimate how much power is actually be produced, based on the speed of the drum. So if you do a pull in 2nd gear, in theory it should give the same power numbers as it does in 4th. But it doesn't. because you're hanging axles, wheels, and tires, off of the tranny and a lower ratio effectively increases the losses from that additional weight. That is why a dyno will typically show you lower numbers in 1st and 2nd gear.

I said all of that just to say... if you were to take both of our cars and strap them on the dyno in 2nd gear. it would still show that you have a power advantage, because the dyno tries to eliminate gearing from the equation. but if you could see the RAW numbers being put to the ground by each of our cars in 2nd gear you'd see that there was no 32whp advantage :)

[112480]

Gregg here is why dyno #s can be really misleading. A dyno measures whp by how quickly your car spins up a drum in that particular gear. It does math based upon the speed and acceleration of the drum. So based upon the drum spinning up at X rate, it can compute power, but if the dyno gave back the raw numbers it is reading, we'd all be doing dyno runs in 1st gear and making 2000+lbs of torque. So the dyno does some math to guestimate how much power is actually be produced, based on the speed of the drum. So if you do a pull in 2nd gear, in theory it should give the same power numbers as it does in 4th. But it doesn't. because you're hanging axles, wheels, and tires, off of the tranny and a lower ratio effectively increases the losses from that additional weight. That is why a dyno will typically show you lower numbers in 1st and 2nd gear.

I said all of that just to say... if you were to take both of our cars and strap them on the dyno in 2nd gear. it would still show that you have a power advantage, because the dyno tries to eliminate gearing from the equation. but if you could see the RAW numbers being put to the ground by each of our cars in 2nd gear you'd see that there was no 32whp advantage :)

Or in our race from 40-62mph u was +20%, then 62-73 u was @ 16%, then 73-87 u was +25%, then 87-106 we were even and 106+ u was +5%:)

LOL! I'm gonna get u back for that one:ninja::)

[1civic]

Damn I feel like i'm in school... Moseley are you saying since you make power faster it will over come the 32hp in which his dyno shows? I'm just trying to understand the method you speak of.. If he switched only to a 6speed the gearing factor would be eliminated correct? His whole power curve would shift, peak power being more or less?

[Moseley]

not really... just saying that due to his gear ratios, on the street at 40mph you can take his torque curve, cut it down to 80% of what it really is and overlay it with mine to see which car is putting down more power.

[112480]

not really... just saying that due to his gear ratios, on the street at 40mph you can take his torque curve, cut it down to 80% of what it really is and overlay it with mine to see which car is putting down more power.

And TRUST me, at 40mph(5,000rpms) on a 5 speed; Moseley was definetly putting down more power! LOL! I wanst even at 200whp and 180wtq yet at 5000rpms on a 40 roll with the 5 speed.LOL! I guarentee he was at at least 215-225whp on a 40roll!

Oh btw, this statement is IN NO WAY AN EXCUSE FOR THE RACE, MOSELEY BEAT ME ALL THREE TIMES B/C HE HAS THE FASTER CAR!!

[1civic]

not really... just saying that due to his gear ratios, on the street at 40mph you can take his torque curve, cut it down to 80% of what it really is and overlay it with mine to see which car is putting down more power.

ok, yes I know that much..lol, you brainy'acks get in depth and it gets hard to decipher.. ;)

[Vteckidd]

Damn I feel like i'm in school... Moseley are you saying since you make power faster it will over come the 32hp in which his dyno shows? I'm just trying to understand the method you speak of.. If he switched only to a 6speed the gearing factor would be eliminated correct? His whole power curve would shift, peak power being more or less?

the problem with Dyno jets has always been that they TRY to really factor everything in but they cant. They are too easy to manipulate and arent really AS ACCURATE as you want them to be. They are an inertia Dyno not a load based dyno which ideally is what you want.

The way a dynojet works is it calculates how fast you turn the roller in a certain time frame and calculates your hp that way.

Force = Mass x Acceleration

Basically the dyno drum weighs a certain weight (usually 2500-3000 lbs) , it turns at a certain speed for a certain time, uses RPM, and then for lack of a super long explanation, it calculates hp and tq.

The problem with the Dynojets is it negates gearing, and gearing can really effect the TQ and powerband. A car with a 4.4 will dyno differently if you put a 4.9 in it. Tire pressure will effect HP, tire size will effect HP, etc. You wanna make 5 more whp, pump your tires up to 50PSI.

What Mose is talking about is taking the graph as a whole of his car versus gregs car, calculating the gearing differences and measuring HP that way. Basically Mosely in second gear at 5000 rpms makes XXXwhp versus greg at 5000RPMs makes XXXwhp.

Dynojets dont take into effect gear ratios, it tries to negate them or overcompensate for them.

"Area under the curve". Greg may have made 32whp more PEAK, but you can quickly make up for that difference with gearing with a much lower hp producing motor, which you wont see on a dynojet

[112480]

ok, yes I know that much..lol, you brainy'acks get in depth and it gets hard to decipher.. ;)

What, u thought we were just a bunch of "roll racers"? LOL!

[Vteckidd]

Easiest way to explain this is think of a turbo car. When someone says "i make 500whp" the instant response is WOW THATS A LOT OF POWER.

Then someone says i make 300whp, people say "oh thats average"

Then when the 300whp car beats the 500whp car people go "WHY?"

If the 300whp car makes 300whp from 2500-7000rpms, and the 500whp car makes 200whp from 2500-6500, then from 6500-7000 makes 500whp, the 300whp car is MUCH FASTER. Its much faster all over the place, except for a VERY small part of the graph. the 300whp car makes 100whp more for 4000rpms, which is 90% of the graph and pull. Then you can factor in gearing, like where someone is at in their individual gear at what time and at what RPM, then it gets even more of an advantage.

Thats the easiest wat in my mind to explain it

(BTW i learned all this in EFI 101, so i recommend taking the class if you can when it comes here. Its pretty awesome)

[Moseley]

And TRUST me, at 40mph(5,000rpms) on a 5 speed; Moseley was definetly putting down more power! LOL! I wanst even at 200whp and 180wtq yet at 5000rpms on a 40 roll with the 5 speed.LOL! I guarentee he was at at least 215-225whp on a 40roll!

Oh btw, this statement is IN NO WAY AN EXCUSE FOR THE RACE, MOSELEY BEAT ME ALL THREE TIMES B/C HE HAS THE FASTER CAR!!

Gregg I wouldn't say I had the faster car... from 40mph yes I did and probably from less than 40mph too. But beyond 40mph it would be a toss up, depending upon the starting speed... with higher speeds favoring your car more due to the raw power.

50 roll both in 2nd. probably a closer race. 60 roll with me in 3rd, you would win by a good car or two. 70 roll with us both in 3rd, I would probably win by a car, anything higher you would win for sure.

[Moseley]

the problem with Dyno jets has always been that they TRY to really factor everything in but they cant. They are too easy to manipulate and arent really AS ACCURATE as you want them to be. They are an inertia Dyno not a load based dyno which ideally is what you want.

The way a dynojet works is it calculates how fast you turn the roller in a certain time frame and calculates your hp that way.

Force = Mass x Acceleration

Basically the dyno drum weighs a certain weight (usually 2500-3000 lbs) , it turns at a certain speed for a certain time, uses RPM, and then for lack of a super long explanation, it calculates hp and tq.

The problem with the Dynojets is it negates gearing, and gearing can really effect the TQ and powerband. A car with a 4.4 will dyno differently if you put a 4.9 in it. Tire pressure will effect HP, tire size will effect HP, etc. You wanna make 5 more whp, pump your tires up to 50PSI.

What Mose is talking about is taking the graph as a whole of his car versus gregs car, calculating the gearing differences and measuring HP that way. Basically Mosely in second gear at 5000 rpms makes XXXwhp versus greg at 5000RPMs makes XXXwhp.

Dynojets dont take into effect gear ratios, it tries to negate them or overcompensate for them.

"Area under the curve". Greg may have made 32whp more PEAK, but you can quickly make up for that difference with gearing with a much lower hp producing motor, which you wont see on a dynojet

:goodjob:

[David88vert]

A dyno is a tuning tool, and any dyno can be manipulated. You don't race dyno numbers, so don't worry about them. Just use them to help you find maximum cylinder pressure to make horsepower and torque.

[David88vert]

(BTW i learned all this in EFI 101, so i recommend taking the class if you can when it comes here. Its pretty awesome)

It is a good course; however, they don't have any classes planned for here on their calendar. The alternative is here:
http://efituningtech.com/

[Vteckidd]

what we basically find out is 90% of all the shops have dynojets because they are FAR Cheaper than the dyno like Forged has. Dynojets are $30,000-40,000 for 2-4wd. The Forged Load Bearing dyno is $80,000-100,000 but you can do so much more with the Load bearing. Tuning on a dynojet is an educated guess in reality, where with a load based dyno you can calculate brake specific fuel consumption, injector duty cycle, etc PER RPM which you cant do with a dynojet

[112480]

the problem with Dyno jets has always been that they TRY to really factor everything in but they cant. They are too easy to manipulate and arent really AS ACCURATE as you want them to be. They are an inertia Dyno not a load based dyno which ideally is what you want.

The way a dynojet works is it calculates how fast you turn the roller in a certain time frame and calculates your hp that way.

Force = Mass x Acceleration

Basically the dyno drum weighs a certain weight (usually 2500-3000 lbs) , it turns at a certain speed for a certain time, uses RPM, and then for lack of a super long explanation, it calculates hp and tq.

The problem with the Dynojets is it negates gearing, and gearing can really effect the TQ and powerband. A car with a 4.4 will dyno differently if you put a 4.9 in it. Tire pressure will effect HP, tire size will effect HP, etc. You wanna make 5 more whp, pump your tires up to 50PSI.

What Mose is talking about is taking the graph as a whole of his car versus gregs car, calculating the gearing differences and measuring HP that way. Basically Mosely in second gear at 5000 rpms makes XXXwhp versus greg at 5000RPMs makes XXXwhp.

Dynojets dont take into effect gear ratios, it tries to negate them or overcompensate for them.

"Area under the curve". Greg may have made 32whp more PEAK, but you can quickly make up for that difference with gearing with a much lower hp producing motor, which you wont see on a dynojet

Whats funny mike is that we put 50psi in the tires when it was on the dyno just to see if it would make more and it DIDNT! charles was kinda shocked but it didnt make any more power at 50psi than it did at 30psi. And mike, what would happen if we could find out the EXACT load on the street and was able to apply that to the dyno???? This is why some people would argue that street tuning a car is better than dyno tuning, b/c the load is already there on the when you street tune unlike the dyno.

Then it should be LOAD+MASS x Accleration. right?

[Vteckidd]

A dyno is a tuning tool, and any dyno can be manipulated. You don't race dyno numbers, so don't worry about them. Just use them to help you find maximum cylinder pressure to make horsepower and torque.

which is what Don from DFE taught me. YOu really dont care about whp, you are searching for maximum cylinder pressure. At that point your motor is max VE, and you cant physically make any more power, and you have found what you are really searching for which ISNT peak WHP, its PEAK TQ :P

[Vteckidd]

It is a good course; however, they don't have any classes planned for here on their calendar. The alternative is here:
http://efituningtech.com/

yeah i took mine 4 years ago. It will usually change once we get near may or june they usually add a date in in the SE. But i recommend any of those classes, its a good thing to just LEARN. It DOESNT make you a tuner, but what it does is really explain the science behind our hobby. Like when you look at a Crome map, what do those numbers mean? What is injector duty cycle , what is volumetric efficiency, BSFC, all kinds of other stuff that normally id go "WHAT?".

I learned a lot from it

[112480]

50 roll both in 2nd. probably a closer race. 60 roll with me in 3rd, you would win by a good car or two. 70 roll with us both in 3rd, I would probably win by a car, anything higher you would win for sure.

This is true, but its much better to meet on even ground. i.e both of us at 40mph and roll out:goodjob:

[Moseley]

Whats funny mike is that we put 50psi in the tires when it was on the dyno just to see if it would make more and it DIDNT! charles was kinda shocked but it didnt make any more power at 50psi than it did at 30psi.

I don't think 30psi to 50psi would make a difference. but if you had a big tire like a slick @ 10psi it would be interesting to see the difference between 10psi and 30psi


which is what Don from DFE taught me. YOu really dont care about whp, you are searching for maximum cylinder pressure. At that point your motor is max VE, and you cant physically make any more power, and you have found what you are really searching for which ISNT peak WHP, its PEAK TQ :P

Maybe in a B series where peak TQ can be @ 8000+ rpms LOL. With a K, unless it is an all out drag motor, peak torque is not really usable. the curve is way more important.

edit: variable cam timing of course is why that is all different. on a B it would make perfect sense to me to tune the shit out of a motor (not just ECU tuning, parts tuning) in search for peak torque. then once you find that you move on from that point. But with a variable cam it is a lot more difficult to find a single sweet spot. you need to find parts that work well over a broad range.

[112480]

At that point your motor is max VE, and you cant physically make any more power, and you have found what you are really searching for which ISNT peak WHP, its PEAK TQ :P

And yet still on the flip side in a roll race the peak TQ will not help you as much as the peak WHP:) but in a TRACK 1/4 mile race, TQ is EVERYTHING! BUT at the same time not the onlything.

[Vteckidd]

Whats funny mike is that we put 50psi in the tires when it was on the dyno just to see if it would make more and it DIDNT! charles was kinda shocked but it didnt make any more power at 50psi than it did at 30psi. And mike, what would happen if we could find out the EXACT load on the street and was able to apply that to the dyno???? This is why some people would argue that street tuning a car is better than dyno tuning, b/c the load is already there on the when you street tune unlike the dyno.

Then it should be LOAD+MASS x Accleration. right?

it doesnt ALWAYS change, but i have seen it change before. A lot of that comes down to just trying to find an extra 5whp and its almost impossible to get the exact number again and again back to back on a dyno. Like mosely said theres too many other factors. So at 30psi your engine oil was 5 degrees warmer than at 50psi, or your IATs were 5 degrees off, etc. Too many factors.

Dont quote me but
Work = Force x Distance

Power = Work / Time

hp = rpm x torque / 5252

However thats not exactly how a dynojet figures stuff out as it can calculate HP WITHOUT a tq reading (ever done a run where the tach signal doesnt work, it still displays a HP number)

Youre also not MOVING a dyno drum, your spinning it, so it has some sort of built in mass inertia calculation(moment of inertia something like that) that it uses to calculate hp instead of the normal way.

[David88vert]

what we basically find out is 90% of all the shops have dynojets because they are FAR Cheaper than the dyno like Forged has. Dynojets are $30,000-40,000 for 2-4wd. The Forged Load Bearing dyno is $80,000-100,000 but you can do so much more with the Load bearing. Tuning on a dynojet is an educated guess in reality, where with a load based dyno you can calculate brake specific fuel consumption, injector duty cycle, etc PER RPM which you cant do with a dynojet

Forged has a Dyno Dynamics model and it is my favorite, as it is the easiest dyno that I have used. It is much more expensive, but worth it in my opinion.
Tuning with either a DynoJet or a Dyno Dynamics is the same - you cannot hold a car in high rpm on the Dyno Dynamics anymore than on a DynoJet. When it comes to tuning at the high end of the scale, you will always be taking reading and extrapolating the data to make your map.
BTW - if you took the class 4 years ago, you probably went to Forged for the class and it was probably taught by Chris Macellaro - who know owns EFI Tuning Technologies.

[Vteckidd]

Maybe in a B series where peak TQ can be @ 8000+ rpms LOL. With a K, unless it is an all out drag motor, peak torque is not really usable. the curve is way more important

Well im also talking about on an engine dyno vs chassis dyno. Usually in Bs peak TQ is around VTEC or slightly after then it almost always falls (1.8 to 2.0 liter motors at least). Very rarely does a B motor make peak whp at peak TQ especially one revving to 9000+. But its like a slingshot, you keep increasing TQ you almost always increase peak hp, usually.

At if you reach the point of peak TQ, you have pretty much maxed out your cylinder pressure, which means the motor will not make any more power unless you change something. Ironically john from hytech and Don always said that the best motor (at the time) was a 2.0l (k20 or B20vtec) because it was very easy to get them to run over 100% VE. The 2.2 and 2.4s AT THE TIME didnt have the cams, headers, etc to get there. Obviously times have changed.

[Vteckidd]

Forged has a Dyno Dynamics model and it is my favorite, as it is the easiest dyno that I have used. It is much more expensive, but worth it in my opinion.
Tuning with either a DynoJet or a Dyno Dynamics is the same - you cannot hold a car in high rpm on the Dyno Dynamics anymore than on a DynoJet. When it comes to tuning at the high end of the scale, you will always be taking reading and extrapolating the data to make your map.

correct but the way i interpreted it (and i am NOT a tuner) is that on a dyno dynamics or load bearing it is MUCH easier to tune and predict the rest of the map, than it is on a Dynojet. Obviously you cant hold a car at redline and tune it (i mean you can but BOOM). But the dyno jet its much harder to keep things consistent vs the dyno dynamics.

But obviously people like Scotty, Morris , Dan Willie etc can figure out how to tune safely on a dynojet so im sure theres pros and cons



BTW - if you took the class 4 years ago, you probably went to Forged for the class and it was probably taught by Chris Macellaro - who know owns EFI Tuning Technologies.
That was my instructor, and he was a great guy. Very knowledgable

[Vteckidd]

And yet still on the flip side in a roll race the peak TQ will not help you as much as the peak WHP:) but in a TRACK 1/4 mile race, TQ is EVERYTHING! BUT at the same time not the onlything.

they both kinda go hand in hand, and theres other variables. HP usually effects TQ, and vice versa.

I mean if TQ didnt matter then 600CC motorcycles would rape everything. They make like 80Ft/lbs, but its actually not that hard to beat a 600cc bike, because why they accelerate fast, they dont have the force (tq) a car does.

But now im getting way outside the scope of my knowledge haha

[David88vert]

it doesnt ALWAYS change, but i have seen it change before. A lot of that comes down to just trying to find an extra 5whp and its almost impossible to get the exact number again and again back to back on a dyno. Like mosely said theres too many other factors. So at 30psi your engine oil was 5 degrees warmer than at 50psi, or your IATs were 5 degrees off, etc. Too many factors.

Youre also not MOVING a dyno drum, your spinning it, so it has some sort of built in mass inertia calculation(moment of inertia something like that) that it uses to calculate hp instead of the normal way.

I have not seen an issue of tire pressure affecting a dyno output, but I do know that Dynapaks readings are direct - and remove the tire from the equation. Matt (the HITman) recommended Dynopaks to me, as he believes that the tire can affect readings. His opinion definitely trumps mine.

[Vteckidd]

edit: variable cam timing of course is why that is all different. on a B it would make perfect sense to me to tune the shit out of a motor (not just ECU tuning, parts tuning) in search for peak torque. then once you find that you move on from that point. But with a variable cam it is a lot more difficult to find a single sweet spot. you need to find parts that work well over a broad range.

interesting youre right i forgot about that. Yeah i would assume thats much different to tune because a B Series is constant, and a K is variable. K seems to give you more control.

[Vteckidd]

I have not seen an issue of tire pressure affecting a dyno output, but I do know that Dynapaks readings are direct - and remove the tire from the equation. Matt (the HITman) recommended Dynopaks to me, as he believes that the tire can affect readings. His opinion definitely trumps mine.

Yeah then there are the dynopacs which require no wheels haha Well i believe the TIRE pressure issue with dynojets was effecting the contact patch. Some people said that running rediculous amounts of negative camber can change hp output as well.

[Moseley]

At if you reach the point of peak TQ, you have pretty much maxed out your cylinder pressure, which means the motor will not make any more power unless you change something. Ironically john from hytech and Don always said that the best motor (at the time) was a 2.0l (k20 or B20vtec) because it was very easy to get them to run over 100% VE. The 2.2 and 2.4s AT THE TIME didnt have the cams, headers, etc to get there. Obviously times have changed.

Yes times have definitely changed. I think a certain heavy all motor car should show up at mainstream for a dyno day. no air filter, race gas, 4" wide tires, etc... and make everyone cry. ;)

[112480]

in a B series where peak TQ can be @ 8000+ rpms LOL. With a K, unless it is an all out drag motor, peak torque is not really usable. the curve is way more important.

edit: variable cam timing of course is why that is all different. on a B it would make perfect sense to me to tune the shit out of a motor (not just ECU tuning, parts tuning) in search for peak torque. then once you find that you move on from that point. But with a variable cam it is a lot more difficult to find a single sweet spot. you need to find parts that work well over a broad range.

Here Moseley, u and mike can used my old....um CURRENT dyno graph for comparison. mike post up a B series graph with similar numbers

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/112480/dynopic-1.jpg?t=1305741041

[David88vert]

correct but the way i interpreted it (and i am NOT a tuner) is that on a dyno dynamics or load bearing it is MUCH easier to tune and predict the rest of the map, than it is on a Dynojet. Obviously you cant hold a car at redline and tune it (i mean you can but BOOM). But the dyno jet its much harder to keep things consistent vs the dyno dynamics.


Yes, that is the trick - the Dyno Dynamics makes it much easier to tune the lower rpms - and then with a couple of pulls, you can get a fairly close base map quickly, then all you have to do is look to tweak it a little.
With the DynoJet, my method is to work up in 500 rpm intervals, and build the bottom first. I learned it from Matt, and it keeps the risk of popping a motor down. I also keep a buffer to maximum cylinder pressure, so while it gives up a few hp, it keeps motors a little safer.
Right now, I am paying to have Bob Kurgan retune my car, just to get hold of one of his maps, to compare to my own tunes. He is the top AEM tuner in my opinion, so its always good to look for new methods and practices.

[Vteckidd]

Greg, this is an example i found to make the most sense

Horsepower is what actually moves your car down the street or around the track, and Torque is what tows a car trailer. Someone with high torque at low rpm would be a weightlifter on a bicycle. Someone with relatively high horsepower would be Lance Armstrong. The weightlifter may be able to tow a heavy load slowly, but Lance can maintain a decent torque at a high rpm. Guess who wins a race?

Just some examples i found. You can always look at Diesel trucks too, they make 600ft lbs/tq at 2000rpms and redline at 3000.

[David88vert]

Yeah then there are the dynopacs which require no wheels haha Well i believe the TIRE pressure issue with dynojets was effecting the contact patch. Some people said that running rediculous amounts of negative camber can change hp output as well.

Not if the car is strapped down properly. If you have enough traction not to slip, then the only other factor would be tire sizing. If you are on a negative camber, the edge of your tire would give you a very slight change in tire sizing - that;s the only other factor that I can think of, other than the obvious traction factor.

[112480]

Yes times have definitely changed. I think a certain heavy all motor car should show up at mainstream for a dyno day. no air filter, race gas, 4" wide tires, etc... and make everyone cry. ;)

Thats only if they havent been already crying from a certain light all motor car:ninja:

[Moseley]

I remember Ed (Senf) saying he likes dynojets for tuning anything other than WOT. The roller does a good job of simulating loads and decel etc. that the car would see on the street. But I could imagine if you were building a road race engine or drag engine you'd want to maximize torque under WOT in a certain rpm range, and a dynapack is probably best for that?

[Vteckidd]

Here Moseley, u and mike can used my old....um CURRENT dyno graph for comparison. mike post up a B series graph with similar numbers

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/112480/dynopic-1.jpg?t=1305741041

based on your graph i would stop revving at 7800-8000 and get a better final drive and get different gears to cut down your RPM drop. Theres no reason to rev past 8000 as your tq drops off hard. all youre doing revving that high is compensating for the time it takes you to shift. But you can see you make peak TQ around 5000rpms, and then it rapidly falls off.

IMO youd be faster shifting at 8000 (falling back to 7500) then shifting at 8500 and falling back to 8000.

Thats assuming a 500 rpm drop (which its prob more than that)

[112480]

Greg, this is an example i found to make the most sense

Horsepower is what actually moves your car down the street or around the track, and Torque is what tows a car trailer. Someone with high torque at low rpm would be a weightlifter on a bicycle. Someone with relatively high horsepower would be Lance Armstrong. The weightlifter may be able to tow a heavy load slowly, but Lance can maintain a decent torque at a high rpm. Guess who wins a race?

Just some examples i found. You can always look at Diesel trucks too, they make 600ft lbs/tq at 2000rpms and redline at 3000.

Good one:goodjob:

[112480]

Yes, that is the trick - the Dyno Dynamics makes it much easier to tune the lower rpms - and then with a couple of pulls, you can get a fairly close base map quickly, then all you have to do is look to tweak it a little.
With the DynoJet, my method is to work up in 500 rpm intervals, and build the bottom first. I learned it from Matt, and it keeps the risk of popping a motor down. I also keep a buffer to maximum cylinder pressure, so while it gives up a few hp, it keeps motors a little safer.
Right now, I am paying to have Bob Kurgan retune my car, just to get hold of one of his maps, to compare to my own tunes. He is the top AEM tuner in my opinion, so its always good to look for new methods and practices.

So david88vert i have a question. why is it the dyno dynamics usually reads what 5-7% lower than a dyno jet given at some point the have the same properties for measuring hp and tq???

[Vteckidd]

So david88vert i have a question. why is it the dyno dynamics usually reads what 5-7% lower than a dyno jet given at some point the have the same properties for measuring hp and tq???

actually usually the Dynapacs read HIGHER. Churchs Automotive out in cali routinely puts out retarded high cars. Like a stock K20 RSX type-S making 260whp, i mean go read what they turn out. But dynapacs IMO usually read more between flywheel hp, and whp. Somwhere in the middle.

Case in point Knowledge Performance had a dynapac and someone had a b16 with I/h/e and it put down 172whp. I was like "no way, no B16 has ever made over 160whp with just i/h/e" at mainstream. I invited the guy to come to mainstream, he did, it put down 153whp. Almost a 20whp difference.

As for dyno dynamics, i do not know why they read lower, david has more experience so ill let him chime in before i assume and look like a dumbass lol

[112480]

based on your graph i would stop revving at 7800-8000 and get a better final drive and get different gears to cut down your RPM drop. Theres no reason to rev past 8000 as your tq drops off hard. all youre doing revving that high is compensating for the time it takes you to shift. But you can see you make peak TQ around 5000rpms, and then it rapidly falls off.

IMO youd be faster shifting at 8000 (falling back to 7500) then shifting at 8500 and falling back to 8000.

Thats assuming a 500 rpm drop (which its prob more than that)

That would be correct, but at the same time there was something else holding me back from making more power past 8000rpms. the culprit has been found:ninja:

[David88vert]

So david88vert i have a question. why is it the dyno dynamics usually reads what 5-7% lower than a dyno jet given at some point the have the same properties for measuring hp and tq???

Each dyno manufactuer has different ways of doing calculations - don't get caught up on that though. It doesn't matter if your number is higher or lower on different dynos - what matters is that you get maximum cylinder pressure across the entire rpm spread. A dyno is just a tuning device, and the best dyno is the one that helps you find the VE number that you make.
For that reason, I suggest that you chose one dyno for comparisons, and stick with it. For me, I like to use the DynoJet at Dynolab to make comparisons, as it has been around the longest, and has not changed in all these years. I can tune any car on any dyno, and then if I want to compare to a previous car or setting - I have it already logged at Dynolab as well.
BTW - Even different versions of DynoJets can give different numbers - the dyno operator can easily change the setup factors.

Now, in answer to your original question - here is where you can learn about the differences in the dynos:
http://www.efi101.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=29

[Vteckidd]

That would be correct, but at the same time there was something else holding me back from making more power past 8000rpms. the culprit has been found:ninja:

still i wouldnt rev a 2.4l with a 99mm stroke much past 8000 or youre going to be rebuilding the motor quite often. Unless you dry sump it. (unless they have fixed something with the K motors and their oiling problems).

And its pretty evident based on your graph that you arent going to make much power past 8000 no matter what you do. you make peak power around 7500-7600 (unless my eyes are bad). Extending that power PAST 8000 is going to be hard and if you do it prob wont be significant. I bet youll end up making MORE POWER but prob around the same RPM. May peak around 8000 but even then , its not your whp thats dropping off a cliff its your TQ. It falls almost 50 ftlbs from 7000-8500. Your hp kinda plateaus meaning either you are holding it back (restriction somewhere) or thats all its gonna make.

I think you would be better served shifting earlier and getting a 5.0+ final drive. But you wanna run nitrous too so you dont wanna have it too short geared.

more power on the existing gearing wont necessarily make it much faster.

IMO of course

[David88vert]

actually usually the Dynapacs read HIGHER.
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