Vagina hurting? Vent in here.

[Elbow]

Z cars are historical. When your neon is 30 years old, it will be a stud in the wall of someone's storage building.

You're right, the Zs are historical, the ZX in my opinion holds no value. If I wanted a car to hold historical value or be worth something I would of kept my 914 or something. I didn't buy a Neon to be cool, to look cool, to show off, or to have in 30 years. The ACR already has more historical value than a 280ZX. Until you grasp what I'm saying about anything, just leave.

[Sinfix_15]

You're right, the Zs are historical, the ZX in my opinion holds no value. If I wanted a car to hold historical value or be worth something I would of kept my 914 or something. I didn't buy a Neon to be cool, to look cool, to show off, or to have in 30 years. The ACR already has more historical value than a 280ZX. Until you grasp what I'm saying about anything, just leave.

Neon's legacy will be that it was one of the shit cars that ultimately led to Chrysler going out of business.

[Elbow]

Neon's legacy will be that it was one of the shit cars that ultimately led to Chrysler going out of business.

LOL....Right.

That's why the Neon probably kept Chrysler afloat? Do some research, then get back. I'm not saying the Neon is a special car or anything great, but that's like saying the Civic killed Honda. The ACR and Chrysler backed series also really helped the company out with advertising. Do you not remember how large the advertising campaign was for the Neon?

If you don't know about it, then why even argue?

[Sinfix_15]

LOL....Right.

That's why the Neon probably kept Chrysler afloat? Do some research, then get back. I'm not saying the Neon is a special car or anything great, but that's like saying the Civic killed Honda. The ACR and Chrysler backed series also really helped the company out with advertising. Do you not remember how large the advertising campaign was for the Neon?

If you don't know about it, then why even argue?

The first generation Neon earned a "Poor" rating in an offset frontal Crash test conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. This was the same rating as the Chevrolet Cavalier, Mitsubishi Mirage, and the larger Ford Contour, but lower than some cars introduced after 1995. The second generation Neon earned a higher "Marginal" rating. The second generation were rated as "Poor" in the side impact crash test[5] (IIHS Safety ratings go from "Poor", to "Marginal", "Acceptable" and "Good"). Only the Chevrolet Cavalier performed worse in the small car category in 2005, the Neon's final year.[6] Other cars made from 2000 to 2005 which were rated "Poor" when tested without optional side airbags included the Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Prius, Mitsubishi Lancer, and Chevrolet Cobalt. No small car made in this period, tested without side airbags, achieved better than a "Poor."[7]

In 2005, the Institute carried out side impact tests on 14 small car models, simulating an impact with an SUV. Among these, the Neon performed the worst. IIHS stated that the Neon had “...major problems beginning with its structure. This car is a disaster...The structure is poor...If this had been a real driver in a real crash, it’s likely it wouldn’t have been survivable...if safety is a priority, the Neon is a small car to be avoided.”[8]

Second generation headrests were rated as "Poor".[9]

Driver deaths fatality risks statistics — published by the IIHS — rated the Neon and 15 other vehicles among the "Highest rates of driver deaths.", The Neon had 161 driver deaths per million registered vehicle deaths, while the average for the Neon class (4-door small) was 103. Other small cars on the list included the Acura RSX (202), Kia Spectra hatchback (191), Pontiac Sunfire (179), Mitsubishi Eclipse (169), and the Chevrolet Cavalier 4dr (150).[10]

Dodge and Plymouth Neons are everywhere on used car lots, and usually offered for a low price. However, despite the "bargain" that they seem to be, potential buyers beware! The 1996 Neon is nothing short of a

nightmare on wheels.

What is that certain indefinable something that makes a car desirable? Is it a cool, stylish body design? An interior that looks respectable and professional? Maybe a powerful, beastly engine? Whatever that something is, one thing is for sure, the Plymouth Neon doesn't have it. A "Plymouth" Neon, you may ask? Of course, during the run of the traditional neon, it was manufactured by Dodge, Plymouth and Chrysler, all roughly producing the same car, the only difference being in what manufacturer took credit in producing the thing.

Of course, despite the warnings that may have come from concerned friends and family, the Neon certainly does look like a formidable choice on the used car lot. The usually appear shiny, compact, a little sporty, an interior with a little flair, and a very good price tag. However, no matter how attractive or how good of a deal the Neon may seem, it is a horrible choice, and much better cars can be found with only a little more money. What exactly makes the Neon so horrible? The list is a long one.

Perhaps the best place to start though, is the outside. The Plymouth Neon seems to be one of the only cars ever made that paint refuses to stay on. A quick look at almost any Neon on the road will reveal numerous places where the paint has simply flaked off, leaving an ugly, untreated metal rust behind. Couple that with the fact that car's body design is something like a poorly grown banana, and that the tiny, tiny headlights will fog over in a matter of days, even after replacing the entire assembly, and you have a car that is simply unforgiving and unattractive when it comes to exterior care.

http://www.samaroc.com/youtube/chrysler-neon-on-bbcs-top-gear-worst-car-in-the-world-utuau+mnm8OJwuU.html





Let me summarize all this for you. Neon was one of the poorest cars tested year in and year out. Even called "worst car in the world" by topgear.

[Sinfix_15]

I stand corrected...... Neon's legacy will be its streak of making car and driver's 10 worst.

[280zx 2by2]

Things you can do in a 280zx.

Drag race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVgoWanENc

Drift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQlWwEYC6c

Road race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuNiKQUM0Sw


Hell you can even hang out with the hellaflush morons.


http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz311/shakotan/DSC04740.jpg





In a neon you can.... Ummm... Eventually upgrade to a better car?

[Elbow]

The first generation Neon earned a "Poor" rating in an offset frontal Crash test conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. This was the same rating as the Chevrolet Cavalier, Mitsubishi Mirage, and the larger Ford Contour, but lower than some cars introduced after 1995. The second generation Neon earned a higher "Marginal" rating. The second generation were rated as "Poor" in the side impact crash test[5] (IIHS Safety ratings go from "Poor", to "Marginal", "Acceptable" and "Good"). Only the Chevrolet Cavalier performed worse in the small car category in 2005, the Neon's final year.[6] Other cars made from 2000 to 2005 which were rated "Poor" when tested without optional side airbags included the Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Prius, Mitsubishi Lancer, and Chevrolet Cobalt. No small car made in this period, tested without side airbags, achieved better than a "Poor."[7]

In 2005, the Institute carried out side impact tests on 14 small car models, simulating an impact with an SUV. Among these, the Neon performed the worst. IIHS stated that the Neon had “...major problems beginning with its structure. This car is a disaster...The structure is poor...If this had been a real driver in a real crash, it’s likely it wouldn’t have been survivable...if safety is a priority, the Neon is a small car to be avoided.”[8]

Second generation headrests were rated as "Poor".[9]

Driver deaths fatality risks statistics — published by the IIHS — rated the Neon and 15 other vehicles among the "Highest rates of driver deaths.", The Neon had 161 driver deaths per million registered vehicle deaths, while the average for the Neon class (4-door small) was 103. Other small cars on the list included the Acura RSX (202), Kia Spectra hatchback (191), Pontiac Sunfire (179), Mitsubishi Eclipse (169), and the Chevrolet Cavalier 4dr (150).[10]

Dodge and Plymouth Neons are everywhere on used car lots, and usually offered for a low price. However, despite the "bargain" that they seem to be, potential buyers beware! The 1996 Neon is nothing short of a

nightmare on wheels.

What is that certain indefinable something that makes a car desirable? Is it a cool, stylish body design? An interior that looks respectable and professional? Maybe a powerful, beastly engine? Whatever that something is, one thing is for sure, the Plymouth Neon doesn't have it. A "Plymouth" Neon, you may ask? Of course, during the run of the traditional neon, it was manufactured by Dodge, Plymouth and Chrysler, all roughly producing the same car, the only difference being in what manufacturer took credit in producing the thing.

Of course, despite the warnings that may have come from concerned friends and family, the Neon certainly does look like a formidable choice on the used car lot. The usually appear shiny, compact, a little sporty, an interior with a little flair, and a very good price tag. However, no matter how attractive or how good of a deal the Neon may seem, it is a horrible choice, and much better cars can be found with only a little more money. What exactly makes the Neon so horrible? The list is a long one.

Perhaps the best place to start though, is the outside. The Plymouth Neon seems to be one of the only cars ever made that paint refuses to stay on. A quick look at almost any Neon on the road will reveal numerous places where the paint has simply flaked off, leaving an ugly, untreated metal rust behind. Couple that with the fact that car's body design is something like a poorly grown banana, and that the tiny, tiny headlights will fog over in a matter of days, even after replacing the entire assembly, and you have a car that is simply unforgiving and unattractive when it comes to exterior care.

http://www.samaroc.com/youtube/chrysler-neon-on-bbcs-top-gear-worst-car-in-the-world-utuau+mnm8OJwuU.html





Let me summarize all this for you. Neon was one of the poorest cars tested year in and year out. Even called "worst car in the world" by topgear.

None of that proves anything except as said they're unsafe and shitty typical plastic American economy cars. I also see nothing about the ACR, which was highly praised and still is by most performance magazines.

If you really want to bring out what Top Gear bashes then add almost every Porsche and Ferrari to that list except for the high up models. lol

[Elbow]

Things you can do in a 280zx.

Drag race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVgoWanENc

Drift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQlWwEYC6c

Road race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuNiKQUM0Sw


Hell you can even hang out with the hellaflush morons.


http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz311/shakotan/DSC04740.jpg





In a neon you can.... Ummm... Eventually upgrade to a better car?

That's autocross dip shit not road racing.

Things you can do in a Neon ACR: road race and win in your class while spending next to nothing. Sounds pretty sweet to me.

When do you ever see a 280ZX even on a road course? Never. Why? They don't do shit.

[Sinfix_15]

None of that proves anything except as said they're unsafe and shitty typical plastic American economy cars. I also see nothing about the ACR, which was highly praised and still is by most performance magazines.

If you really want to bring out what Top Gear bashes then add almost every Porsche and Ferrari to that list except for the high up models. lol

It's a pretty common and widely accepted opinion that a Neon is a piece of shit.

[Elbow]

It's a pretty common and widely accepted opinion that a Neon is a piece of shit.

Well then I guess you don't read much.

The Neon is a piece of shit, yes, it's plastic, cheap, ugly, cheap interior, etc.

The actual car however is good. It's a decent chassis, engines are good, ACR suspension is fantastic stock, etc.

So depending on your opinion what shit is I guess we agree. Like I said though, research, then talk shit.

[Sinfix_15]

Well then I guess you don't read much.

The Neon is a piece of shit, yes, it's plastic, cheap, ugly, cheap interior, etc.

The actual car however is good. It's a decent chassis, engines are good, ACR suspension is fantastic stock, etc.

So depending on your opinion what shit is I guess we agree. Like I said though, research, then talk shit.

Class restrictions allow the Neon to exist.

[Elbow]

Class restrictions allow the Neon to exist.

Classes in racing or on the street? Your ignorance is truly staggering. What do you even think will happen when this thread dies? Do you think I will feel bad or something? Do you think ANYTHING will change? lol

[Sinfix_15]

Classes in racing or on the street? Your ignorance is truly staggering. What do you even think will happen when this thread dies? Do you think I will feel bad or something? Do you think ANYTHING will change? lol

Who knows..... maybe ill trade my lawn mower for a Neon or 2 and we can become friends.

[Elbow]

Who knows..... maybe ill trade my lawn mower for a Neon or 2 and we can become friends.

See, that right there proves you've read NOTHING in here. lol You're a joke, man.

[Sinfix_15]

See, that right there proves you've read NOTHING in here. lol You're a joke, man.

here you go, take this as a peace offering.
http://www.a1signs.co.uk/Images/stickers.jpg

[Elbow]

here you go, take this as a peace offering.
http://www.a1signs.co.uk/Images/stickers.jpg

Logos? Cool....

[Sinfix_15]

Logos? Cool....

lets be friends.
http://www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/0108/06/1_518ebf9c9d016d25a298e0d950cb745a.jpg

[Elbow]

lets be friends.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=230561839442

I don't play with kids. Sorry.

[Sinfix_15]

I don't play with kids. Sorry.
you sure?
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee368/haleymward/pics447.jpg
http://www.gear6.net/images/apr06/cars_pixar1.jpg

[Elbow]

you sure?
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee368/haleymward/pics447.jpg
http://www.gear6.net/images/apr06/cars_pixar1.jpg

If my car reminds you of Lightning McQueen then thank you very much. That's a good compliment!

Kids don't run at road courses, too scary, they drag race.

[Sinfix_15]

If my car reminds you of Lightning McQueen then thank you very much. That's a good compliment!

Kids don't run at road courses, too scary, they drag race.

oh no doubt..... driving a neon is scary.
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/IIHS%5Cgallery%5C119_1.jpg

[Elbow]

oh no doubt..... driving a neon is scary.
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/IIHS%5Cgallery%5C119_1.jpg

That's how desperate you are to upset me? You go to crash tests? LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH I've NEVER seen that on a e-fight. LMFAO Damn....

[Sinfix_15]

That's how desperate you are to upset me? You go to crash tests? LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH I've NEVER seen that on a e-fight. LMFAO Damn....

Just showing the downside of building a car out of old coke cans so its cheap and lite weight.

[Elbow]

Just showing the downside of building a car out of old coke cans so its cheap and lite weight.

Once again you prove you've read nothing in here.

Let me guess. Your favorite books are picture books? My gift to you!

http://www.criticalthinking.org/image/pimage/224_FL_525M-Read_Paragraph.jpg

[280zx 2by2]

"Once again you prove you've read nothing in here."


Is the new ricer cop-out on IA.

[Sinfix_15]

Once again you prove you've read nothing in here.

Let me guess. Your favorite books are picture books? My gift to you!

http://www.criticalthinking.org/image/pimage/224_FL_525M-Read_Paragraph.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/01/mercedes_hump.jpg

[Elbow]

"Once again you prove you've read nothing in here."


Is the new ricer cop-out on IA.

Reading is fairly important to have a valid argument dumb ass.


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/01/mercedes_hump.jpg

Look, the gayest Merc made humping the homosexual Neon.

[Sinfix_15]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/05/500x_lnos10-topcars-22-500px.jpg

[280zx 2by2]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/01/mercedes_hump.jpg

Im pretty sure if someone was in that neon they would be DEAD.

[Elbow]

Im pretty sure if someone was in that neon they would be DEAD.

Does that matter? What's that have to do with mine? LOL

Once again...DUMB ASS.

[Elbow]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/05/500x_lnos10-topcars-22-500px.jpg

That made sense.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/05/58_4073.jpg

[David88vert]

http://webspace.webring.com/people/cz/z_design_studio/


5 speed with R200

205/70/14 tire


Not possible eh?

Nope, still not with a 205 - you only raise it from 119 to 122. That is not 130. Have to go taller.

[Elbow]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:etEovQFi-_up9M:http://www.automk.com/media/2009/04/20090412205402187.jpg&t=1

[280zx 2by2]

I just realized your car is basically ready for 24 Hours of Lemons.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/rayayala22/Chia%20Neon/DSCN1964.jpg

http://murileemartin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lc10-leadermidsun-600px.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/09/11-72.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2010/07/lwv10-top-76-500px.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/TopTexans-27.jpg

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/06/LNO09-Top-40y.jpg

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/08/las10-top-012-1280px.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2010/01/500x_wob-latchkey-500px.jpg





Hell a lot of those cars looked better than yours.

[280zx 2by2]

Nope, still not with a 205 - you only raise it from 119 to 122. That is not 130. Have to go taller.

You did something wrong, at 5k I got 129.

[Sinfix_15]

That made sense.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/05/58_4073.jpg

It's only funny to post pictures like that when you car doesnt actually look like one of them.

[Elbow]

I just realized your car is basically ready for 24 Hours of Lemons.


Hell a lot of those cars looked better than yours.

It has to be a $500 car to run LeMons, so only your car qualifies.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/2729857576_e76e6ca689.jpg
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/07/500x_lbfe10-280zxbird-01-500px.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2010/01/500x_ltt-nissan_z-500px.jpg
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/media/img/readerrides/24hrsOfLemons-BW-CheckeredFlag.jpg
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/07/56-13.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2009/08/500x_LBW09-Top-18-500px.jpg
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/06/LNO09-Top-33y.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/TopTexans-09.jpg

[280zx 2by2]

Does that matter? What's that have to do with mine? LOL

Once again...DUMB ASS.

You seem mad.



PS: I think I know why you spent extra on a helmet, be it you're driving a death trap and all.

[David88vert]

You did something wrong, at 5k I got 129.

Nope, I have a program here especially for it, and a second program to double check it. I actually graph out all of the gears.
You need a 235 in a 70-14 to make 130 - without calculating for road and air resistance, or CoD.

Now a 205/75-15 would do it, or a 225/75-14.

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying that you can't hit 130 in the car, just need a few more revs with stock tire size, and stock rear and transmission.

[Elbow]

You seem mad.



PS: I think I know why you spent extra on a helmet, be it you're driving a death trap and all.

I would love to hear why you think I'm mad? Do you REALLY as in honestly think ANYTHING you say here will even remotely angry?

I think I spent money on a helmet because good helmets are good to have, I've had that helmet before I even bought this car. Plus you keep saying it's so unsafe but it has pretty good safety equipment, I feel comfortable driving it.

It's sad my helmet and radio setup probably did cost more than your car. LOL

[280zx 2by2]

It's sad my helmet and radio setup probably did cost more than your car. LOL

Even if it did, does that make you happy? Because I can take that extra money and spend it on Crispy Cream Doughnuts that you can't have.




NB4 RAGE ABOUT NOT GETTING DOUGHNUTS.

[David88vert]

You did something wrong, at 5k I got 129.

BTW - You can download one of the simple spreadsheets from Dave Lum at www.datsuns.com
You should see that site anyway - good stuff.

[Elbow]

Even if it did, does that make you happy? Because I can take that extra money and spend it on Crispy Cream Doughnuts that you can't have.




NB4 RAGE ABOUT NOT GETTING DOUGHNUTS.

Am I the only one that can't take someone serious that says "NB4?"

[David88vert]

NB4 RAGE ABOUT NOT GETTING DOUGHNUTS.

I WANT DOUGHNUTS!!!!!!:2up::rant:

[280zx 2by2]

More lemons.


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/04/07a-Altamont-Overall_01.jpg
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/09/500x_lo10-top-23-500px.jpg
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/04/500x_lgm10-top-22-500px.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/08/LBW09-TopSat-10.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/gayneon.jpg

[David88vert]

Am I the only one that can't take someone serious that says "NB4?"

And the answer is..... no.

[David88vert]

What's sad is that those Lemons Neons are much faster than the 280ZX or wagon...

[Elbow]

More lemons.
Do you think posting Neons makes me angry? Why would it? Search 280ZX LeMons and you get the same number of results. This says nothing other than what I've said...they're cheap and quick.

[94_teg_ls]

I WANT DOUGHNUTS!!!!!!:2up::rant:



glazed with chocolate frosting

[280zx 2by2]

Do you think posting Neons makes me angry? Why would it? Search 280ZX LeMons and you get the same number of results. This says nothing other than what I've said...they're cheap and quick.

"280zx Lemons" About 2,160 results

"Neon Lemons" About 334,000 results


U mad, and not just because of the lack of doughnuts.

[Elbow]

"280zx Lemons" About 2,160 results

"Neon Lemons" About 334,000 results


U mad, and not just because of the lack of doughnuts.

Then I guess that shows which car makes a better race car doesn't it? Case solved.

"U mad" LMFAO learn English.

[David88vert]

Case solved.


I hope you mean a case of beer to go with my box of doughnuts....

[280zx 2by2]

Then I guess that shows which car makes a better race car doesn't it? Case solved.

"U mad" LMFAO learn English.

I wonder if Paul Newman would have driven neons?

http://www.zclubhungary.hu/image/Racing/ElecBudw280ZX.jpg

[Elbow]

I hope you mean a case of beer to go with my box of doughnuts....

I'll buy you a drank.

[Elbow]

I wonder if Paul Newman would have driven neons?

http://www.zclubhungary.hu/image/Racing/ElecBudw280ZX.jpg

Nice, post up purpose built race cars. I guess a NASCAR Camry is the same as a street Camry as well right?

You find me one current successful running 280ZX race car and I'll give you lunch money.

[David88vert]

I'll buy you a drank.

That had better not be a pick-up line....

[280zx 2by2]

Nice, post up purpose built race cars. I guess a NASCAR Camry is the same as a street Camry as well right?

You find me one current successful running 280ZX race car and I'll give you lunch money.

Wait... wasn't your car a purpose built race car? Why are you complaining?


Has a neon ever won an IMSA championship?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3668916173_e2c6a23182.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

That had better not be a pick-up line....

lol i think it might of been

[David88vert]

You find me one current successful running 280ZX race car and I'll give you lunch money.

Does SCCA Auto-x count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSwyf61pOak

[DA9_Vito]

Does SCCA Auto-x count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSwyf61pOak

he said race car and in my book auto-x is racing so sure lol

[Elbow]

Wait... wasn't your car a purpose built race car? Why are you complaining?


Has a neon ever won an IMSA championship?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3668916173_e2c6a23182.jpg

No, my car wasn't built at the factory as a race car. That's basically a tube framed race car.

IMSA wasn't even around when the Neons were running, but yes, the Neon ACR has won NUMEROUS SCCA national and regional championships, including mine.

Has your car ever hit the track? Does your exact car have any history? That's what I thought.


Does SCCA Auto-x count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSwyf61pOak

No, autocross doesn't count. I don't see anything successful about that car though, results, not a video.


That had better not be a pick-up line....

It was.

[David88vert]

Has your car ever hit the track? Does your exact car have any history? That's what I thought.


My car can easily hit any wall, gravel pit, or other part of the track, and has an extensive and long history of breaking down. Does that count?

That pickup line better be that you are gonna pick up a box of doughnuts and a case of beer....

[Elbow]

My car can easily hit any wall, gravel pit, or other part of the track, and has an extensive and long history of breaking down. Does that count?

That pickup line better be that you are gonna pick up a box of doughnuts and a case of beer....

Let me rephrase it, has his car ever raced, does his exact car have any real race history?

Better be or what? I've owned a Miata there's no telling what I'll do.

[Elbow]

Kidding.

Anyway.

Oldsmobiles are race cars too.

http://assets.speedtv.com/images/article_assets/933/933161/933161_article_img_large1.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

anything can be a racecar it just depends on the money to build it.

[Elbow]

anything can be a racecar it just depends on the money to build it.

The point was that's not really a Olds.

[Echonova]

So I'm back... In my speech to all the lower level employees, I made sure to give a shout out to IA and all the internet folks that made me the man I am today.

[Elbow]

So I'm back... In my speech to all the lower level employees, I made sure to give a shout out to IA and all the internet folks that made me the man I am today.

LOL

[Sinfix_15]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/shources_sit/IMG_3462.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/shources_sit/IMG_3467.jpg

[Elbow]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/shources_sit/IMG_3462.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/shources_sit/IMG_3467.jpg

Are you telling me you like that? It's not really my tastes, but to each his own.

[Sinfix_15]

Are you telling me you like that? It's not really my tastes, but to each his own.

What would a person gay enough to cover their car in pokemon stickers drive...................

[Sinfix_15]

if you're google searching to find something else that gay, good luck.

[Elbow]

Yeah I'm spending time trying to make a comeback for someone on the internet.

LOL I have a life.

[nreggie454]

Instead of trying to search for something, I will assume that you are a wanna be drifter that has a Hello Kitty hanging from your pointless towhook so that it can be in the way when you actually need to be towed out of a ditch. You only ended up there because it was rainy and you tried to drift since you can't really break traction in the dry.

[Elbow]

Instead of trying to search for something, I will assume that you are a wanna be drifter that has a Hello Kitty hanging from your pointless towhook so that it can be in the way when you actually need to be towed out of a ditch. You only ended up there because it was rainy and you tried to drift since you can't really break traction in the dry.

Watch out, he's going to become very upset now.

[nreggie454]

Watch out, he's going to become very upset now.
I mean you can find tons of wannabe drifters who drive 240s, so clearly he is one of those. I guess that makes the 280ZX kid a jean shorts wearing meth addict or something.

[280zx 2by2]

Kidding.

Anyway.

Oldsmobiles are race cars too.

http://assets.speedtv.com/images/article_assets/933/933161/933161_article_img_large1.jpg


From the firewall back that car is a ZX frame. Ever heard of silhouette racing?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3668916173_e2c6a23182.jpg

That door jam looks identical to mine. That is not a tubbed out chassis.

[280zx 2by2]

Yeah I'm spending time trying to make a comeback for someone on the internet.

LOL I have a life.

27,337

[Elbow]

I mean you can find tons of wannabe drifters who drive 240s, so clearly he is one of those. I guess that makes the 280ZX kid a jean shorts wearing meth addict or something.

LMFAO I laughed.


From the firewall back that car is a ZX frame. Ever heard of silhouette racing?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3668916173_e2c6a23182.jpg

That door jam looks identical to mine. That is not a tubbed out chassis.

I know exactly what it is, don't try to school me on road racing. I've only been around it since I was born. It wasn't a street car converted to a race car. It doesn't share much OEM 280ZX items, I mean the list goes on, kid. It's not a 280ZX.

[Elbow]

27,337

Yeah it takes time to post something on the internet. Especially when it's BS like this thread where every reply has no actual thought process. lol

[David88vert]

27,337

This is actually funny.

[Sinfix_15]

Instead of trying to search for something, I will assume that you are a wanna be drifter that has a Hello Kitty hanging from your pointless towhook so that it can be in the way when you actually need to be towed out of a ditch. You only ended up there because it was rainy and you tried to drift since you can't really break traction in the dry.

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Georgia+v+Florida+77GpjnRNerGl.jpg
http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/e00fdb17e00513930a8bff40860140f1/.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NA9uQSQYiSQ/Sus5M3kp7NI/AAAAAAAAC2k/F_P0GGmhP80/s320/Brandon+Spikes+6.jpg
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/83526956.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548A520DEF0BD15577D 00002F754FD2DDAD021AC9C6A666FF0CE30A760B0D811297

[280zx 2by2]

I know exactly what it is, don't try to school me on road racing. I've only been around it since I was born. It wasn't a street car converted to a race car. It doesn't share much OEM 280ZX items, I mean the list goes on, kid. It's not a 280ZX.

You sir must be trying to troll now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18478918@N08/3275243285


I guess because you were conceived in a dodge omni when you dad visited a whore house after a day of pretending to road race you think you know everything about racing?

[David88vert]

It wasn't a street car converted to a race car.

Neither was yours, right?

[Elbow]

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Georgia+v+Florida+77GpjnRNerGl.jpg
http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/e00fdb17e00513930a8bff40860140f1/.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NA9uQSQYiSQ/Sus5M3kp7NI/AAAAAAAAC2k/F_P0GGmhP80/s320/Brandon+Spikes+6.jpg
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/83526956.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548A520DEF0BD15577D 00002F754FD2DDAD021AC9C6A666FF0CE30A760B0D811297

LOL What does that even represent??

[280zx 2by2]

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Georgia+v+Florida+77GpjnRNerGl.jpg
http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/e00fdb17e00513930a8bff40860140f1/.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NA9uQSQYiSQ/Sus5M3kp7NI/AAAAAAAAC2k/F_P0GGmhP80/s320/Brandon+Spikes+6.jpg
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/83526956.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548A520DEF0BD15577D 00002F754FD2DDAD021AC9C6A666FF0CE30A760B0D811297

I don't think a UF fan would move to Athens... JUST SAYIN. But I like your effort.

[Elbow]

I don't think a UF fan would move to Athens... JUST SAYIN. But I like your effort.

Are you talking to me? I'm a UF fan? I don't even watch football but I always cheer for the Gators when it's that time of the year.

[280zx 2by2]

Are you talking to me? I'm a UF fan? I don't even watch football but I always cheer for the Gators when it's that time of the year.

"Once again you prove you've read nothing in here.

Let me guess. Your favorite books are picture books?"


Did I quote you jet puffed marshmallow man?

[nreggie454]

Wow, awesome, you read the part of my sig that says UGA, but apparently didn't read the rest. Kudos to you. How do you feel about Urban Meyer quitting because he knows he can't win without Dan Mullen?
Also, how many times have you jerked off today to your fanfic where Han and Dom have a drifting contest to see who has to be the catcher?

[Elbow]

"Once again you prove you've read nothing in here.

Let me guess. Your favorite books are picture books?"


Did I quote you jet puffed marshmallow man?

Yes, you did quote me. Good job! Now only if you knew how to make sense of things you might just move up a grade!

[Elbow]

Wow, awesome, you read the part of my sig that says UGA, but apparently didn't read the rest. Kudos to you. How do you feel about Urban Meyer quitting because he knows he can't win without Dan Mullen?
Also, how many times have you jerked off today to your fanfic where Han and Dom have a drifting contest to see who has to be the catcher?

It's not worth it, the two kids in here (280ZX crack head and 240 drift king) don't read, they may read two words, look at a photo, then write something ignorant. It's amusing but that's about it.

[280zx 2by2]

Yes, you did quote me. Good job! Now only if you knew how to make sense of things you might just move up a grade!

I think it's past your bed time, I clearly quoted Sinfix_15.

[280zx 2by2]

Hey pizza tits, did you miss this?


You sir must be trying to troll now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18478918@N08/3275243285


I guess because you were conceived in a dodge omni when you dad visited a whore house after a day of pretending to road race you think you know everything about racing?

[Elbow]

Hey pizza tits, did you miss this?

Miss what? A photo? No I saw it, I also have seen that car in person.

[David88vert]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18478918@N08/3275243285


You do realize that the 280zx only had 2 notable accomplishments, right?
1979 SCCA C Production Category (Bob Sharp Racing 280ZX)
1979 and 1980 IMSA GTU Championship (Electramotive Datsun 280ZX)

In 1981, Bob Sharp Racing team used a loophole in the IMSA GTO rules to build a Datsun 280ZX inside the U.S. with a V8 engine from a Nissan President. This car was not a success and became obsolete when the new GTP category was created.

Nissan stayed in GTP for years, and did well in 1988 at least, nut by them it was the 300ZX Turbo.

After the RX7 came on the scene, Nissan faded from being competitive in IMSA, as the RX7 went on to win its class in the IMSA 24 Hours of Daytona race ten years in a row, starting in 1982, and won the IMSA GTU championship each year from 1980 through 1987. The RX7 went on to win more IMSA races in its class than any other model of automobile, with its one hundredth victory on September 2, 1990. Nissan couldn't compete.

Here are the results from IMSA GTU races: http://www.racingsportscars.com/championship/IMSA%20GTU.html

[Elbow]

You do realize that the 280zx only had 2 notable accomplishments, right?
1979 SCCA C Production Category (Bob Sharp Racing 280ZX)
1979 and 1980 IMSA GTU Championship (Electramotive Datsun 280ZX)

In 1981, Bob Sharp Racing team used a loophole in the IMSA GTO rules to build a Datsun 280ZX inside the U.S. with a V8 engine from a Nissan President. This car was not a success and became obsolete when the new GTP category was created.

After the RX7 came on the scene, Nissan faded from being competitive in IMSA, as the RX7 went on to win its class in the IMSA 24 Hours of Daytona race ten years in a row, starting in 1982, and won the IMSA GTU championship each year from 1980 through 1987. The RX7 went on to win more IMSA races in its class than any other model of automobile, with its one hundredth victory on September 2, 1990. Nissan couldn't compete.

Of course he doesn't know any of that, why waste the time explaining? All he does is look at pictures, he can't read for shit.

[Sinfix_15]

Wow, awesome, you read the part of my sig that says UGA, but apparently didn't read the rest. Kudos to you. How do you feel about Urban Meyer quitting because he knows he can't win without Dan Mullen?
Also, how many times have you jerked off today to your fanfic where Han and Dom have a drifting contest to see who has to be the catcher?

Florida won before Urban and will win After. Hell.... Ron Zook had a winning record vs Georgia.

[280zx 2by2]

You do realize that the 280zx only had 2 notable accomplishments, right?
1979 SCCA C Production Category (Bob Sharp Racing 280ZX)
1979 and 1980 IMSA GTU Championship (Electramotive Datsun 280ZX)

In 1981, Bob Sharp Racing team used a loophole in the IMSA GTO rules to build a Datsun 280ZX inside the U.S. with a V8 engine from a Nissan President. This car was not a success and became obsolete when the new GTP category was created.

After the RX7 came on the scene, Nissan faded from being competitive in IMSA, as the RX7 went on to win its class in the IMSA 24 Hours of Daytona race ten years in a row, starting in 1982, and won the IMSA GTU championship each year from 1980 through 1987. The RX7 went on to win more IMSA races in its class than any other model of automobile, with its one hundredth victory on September 2, 1990. Nissan couldn't compete.

That's because the 280zx went out of production, you can't blame the 280zx for the 300zx's short comings.

[nreggie454]

Florida won before Urban and will win After. Hell.... Ron Zook had a winning record vs Georgia.
Sweet. I took a dump today and it was a flawless victory.

[Sinfix_15]

i heard a rumor that this one did alright on the race track
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Nissan_Skyline_R32_GT-R_001.jpg

[Elbow]

i heard a rumor that this one did alright on the race track
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Nissan_Skyline_R32_GT-R_001.jpg

You're kidding right?

[nreggie454]

i heard a rumor that this one did alright on the race track
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Nissan_Skyline_R32_GT-R_001.jpg
I heard a rumor that isn't either car in question.

[Sinfix_15]

Sweet. I took a dump today and it was a flawless victory.

Be positive, you got to see Georgia win the cocktail party 3 times in the last 20 years.

[Sinfix_15]

You're kidding right?

dont tell me that you're about to insult the r32............... when you drive a neon, you shouldnt even be allowed to mention it.

[Elbow]

i heard a rumor that this one did alright on the race track
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Nissan_Skyline_R32_GT-R_001.jpg

Yeah I heard a rumor this was too:

http://www.dragtimes.com/albums/viper-corvette/viper_corvette_5200008.jpg

[Elbow]

dont tell me that you're about to insult the r32............... when you drive a neon, you shouldnt even be allowed to mention it.

No, I'm insulting your stupidity for bringing up a car nobody has mentioned. What the FUCK was the point in that? LOL

[280zx 2by2]

Sweet. I took a dump today and it was a flawless victory.

Is this you at a game?

http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/files/2010/10/slideshow_1001678182_ugafoot.0919-bs1.jpg

[Elbow]

Is this you at a game?

http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/files/2010/10/slideshow_1001678182_ugafoot.0919-bs1.jpg

You know you have no life when you Google search an image for every single post.

[Sinfix_15]

The R32 GT-R dominated Japanese Touring Car Championship (JTCC), winning 29 races from 29 starts, taking the series title every year from 1989 to 1993.[18] It took 50 races from 50 starts from 1991 to 1997 (latterly R33) in the N1 Super Taikyu.

The R32 GT-R was introduced in to the Australian Touring Car Championship in 1990 and promptly ended the reign of the previously all-conquering Ford Sierra Cosworth, winning Bathurst 1000 classic in 1991 and 1992. This success led to the Australian motoring press nicknaming the car Godzilla due to it being a "monster from Japan". As Australia was the first export market for the car the name quickly spread. Such was GT-R's dominance that it was a significant factor in the demise of Group A Touring Car racing, the formula being scrapped soon after. JTCC was similarly blighted by the R32 GT-R, and splintered soon after, leading to the switch to the Supertouring category and also indirectly to the GT500 category of today.

[Sinfix_15]

You know you have no life when you Google search an image for every single post.

the internet is hard right???

[Elbow]

The R32 GT-R dominated Japanese Touring Car Championship (JTCC), winning 29 races from 29 starts, taking the series title every year from 1989 to 1993.[18] It took 50 races from 50 starts from 1991 to 1997 (latterly R33) in the N1 Super Taikyu.

The R32 GT-R was introduced in to the Australian Touring Car Championship in 1990 and promptly ended the reign of the previously all-conquering Ford Sierra Cosworth, winning Bathurst 1000 classic in 1991 and 1992. This success led to the Australian motoring press nicknaming the car Godzilla due to it being a "monster from Japan". As Australia was the first export market for the car the name quickly spread. Such was GT-R's dominance that it was a significant factor in the demise of Group A Touring Car racing, the formula being scrapped soon after. JTCC was similarly blighted by the R32 GT-R, and splintered soon after, leading to the switch to the Supertouring category and also indirectly to the GT500 category of today.

LMFAO...WTF?

The Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR is a grand tourer and race car that was built by Mercedes-AMG, performance and motorsports arm of Mercedes-Benz. Intended for racing in the new FIA GT Championship series in 1997, the CLK GTR was designed primarily as a race car, with the road cars necessary in order to meet homologation standards being secondary in the car's design. Thus the limited production road-going cars were considered racing cars for the road.

After competing successfully in 1997, the race car was upgraded in 1998 for the 24 Hours of Le Mans and renamed the CLK LM. Following the construction of the CLK LMs and the CLK GTR road cars, the project would end in 1999 by being replaced by the Mercedes-Benz CLR Le Mans prototype.

[David88vert]

That's because the 280zx went out of production, you can't blame the 280zx for the 300zx's short comings.
Actually, no, the 280ZX Turbo was no match for the 1.1L RX7 back then. Neither was the 300ZX.

[280zx 2by2]

You know you have no life when you Google search an image for every single post.

27,349

[Sinfix_15]

No, I'm insulting your stupidity for bringing up a car nobody has mentioned. What the FUCK was the point in that? LOL

When the Nissan hate starts, gotta break out the big guns.

[Elbow]

When the Nissan hate starts, gotta break out the big guns.

I'm sorry where exactly did you see Nissan hate? I daily drive a Nissan. lol

[280zx 2by2]

Actually, no, the 280ZX Turbo was no match for the 1.1L RX7 back then. Neither was the 300ZX.

I'm not surprised, everyone agrees Datsun/Nissan made a mistakes with the amount of weight they put on the s130 chassis and keeping an engine that was first produced in 1968. The RX7 was a response to the Z, not the other way around.

[David88vert]

27,349

It was only funny the first time. Now you are just desperate.

[Sinfix_15]

http://ymswwc.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/defeat.jpg

[David88vert]

When the Nissan hate starts, gotta break out the big guns.

There is no hate for Nissan. Still a good car company.

[David88vert]

I'm not surprised, everyone agrees Datsun/Nissan made a mistakes with the amount of weight they put on the s130 chassis and keeping an engine that was first produced in 1968. The RX7 was a response to the Z, not the other way around.

That was the downfall - weight. If they had kept making the old 260, it would have been more competitive. The 280 was the downfall, and the 280ZX was the nail in the coffin.

[280zx 2by2]

the internet is hard right???

Not considering he's wrote most of it in his 27k+ posts.

[Elbow]

Not considering he's wrote most of it in his 27k+ posts.

Again? Damn you ran out of insults.

[nreggie454]

A) The R32 is not a Neon, 240, or 280ZX.

B) Georgia always wins the cocktail party, but they have had issues with the game afterward. Doesn't ruin my day, though.

C) No, that is not me. I don't have a sweet goatee or croakies.

[280zx 2by2]

That was the downfall - weight. If they had kept making the old 260, it would have been more competitive. The 280 was the downfall, and the 280ZX was the nail in the coffin.

To me the 280z was the best chassis (with a few changes like a 240z doors and such) the weight in that car was all for additional chassis rigidity and EFI, the 280zx took it too far with superfluous things done here and there that for no reason needed to be strengthened.

[280zx 2by2]

Again? Damn you ran out of insults.

I think I did pretty good considering you ran out of insults yesterday with the yo mama jokes.

[Elbow]

I think I did pretty good considering you ran out of insults yesterday with the yo mama jokes.

I was playing your immature game, you give fat jokes I give yo mama jokes. There is no "doing good" at arguing on the internet. The sad part is you still use fat and post count jokes, you have nothing to say other than typical middle school lingo, you don't know anything about cars, why are you still here?

[280zx 2by2]

I was playing your immature game, you give fat jokes I give yo mama jokes. There is no "doing good" at arguing on the internet. The sad part is you still use fat and post count jokes, you have nothing to say other than typical middle school lingo, you don't know anything about cars, why are you still here?

But see the thing is, you are fat...



See how that works?

[Elbow]

But see the thing is, you are fat...



See how that works?

Post photos of you, lets see what you look like since you think I'm "fat."

[Sinfix_15]

OH SNAP!!! Shit just got real!!!! Pic off!!!!!!!!!!

[Elbow]

OH SNAP!!! Shit just got real!!!! Pic off!!!!!!!!!!

Well since he judges other guys based on looks and all why not? lol

[Sinfix_15]

Well since he judges other guys based on looks and all why not? lol

You look like a normal guy to me. Little sugar in your blood..... to be expected of a Neon owner.

[Elbow]

You look like a normal guy to me. Little sugar in your blood..... to be expected of a Neon owner.

Thanks for the compliment? LOL

[Elbow]

Jordan...you're kidding me right?

This is him at 2:33


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UIWwH4Tyck&feature=player_embedded#!

Yes I just wasted a few minutes, but it looks like you can't really be calling people marshmallows now can you? lol

[280zx 2by2]

Well since he judges other guys based on looks and all why not? lol

So I would post a pic so you could be like "Ok cool?"

Because the only reason you would want me to post a picture is so you could judge me.


Do you want to be a hypocrite?

[David88vert]

To me the 280z was the best chassis (with a few changes like a 240z doors and such) the weight in that car was all for additional chassis rigidity and EFI, the 280zx took it too far with superfluous things done here and there that for no reason needed to be strengthened.

The weight was from the addition of luxury items, which a sports car does not need. The 2+2 took it to a new level - the addition of a back seat in a sports car - not needed, and adding additional weight. The 2+2 was arguably the worst sports car that Nissan ever made - weak, heavy, and wasted space.

[280zx 2by2]

Jordan...you're kidding me right?

This is him at 2:33


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UIWwH4Tyck&feature=player_embedded#!

Yes I just wasted a few minutes, but it looks like you can't really be calling people marshmallows now can you? lol

First of all...

"No life"

Second of all.

Yeah I think I have a few pounds to spare at 6' 155.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1224.snc4/155640_160649063979491_100001031946674_339495_8015 289_n.jpg

[Elbow]

First of all...

"No life"

Second of all.

Yeah I think I have a few pounds to spare at 6' 155.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1224.snc4/155640_160649063979491_100001031946674_339495_8015 289_n.jpg

BQUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[94_teg_ls]

:gay:

[280zx 2by2]

The weight was from the addition of luxury items, which a sports car does not need. The 2+2 took it to a new level - the addition of a back seat in a sports car - not needed, and adding additional weight. The 2+2 was arguably the worst sports car that Nissan ever made - weak, heavy, and wasted space.

I think they considered the b210 a sports car... And the 300zx was even slower than the 280zx for several years...

But thats beyond the point haha.

[DA9_Vito]

First of all...

"No life"

Second of all.

Yeah I think I have a few pounds to spare at 6' 155.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1224.snc4/155640_160649063979491_100001031946674_339495_8015 289_n.jpg

haha i knew he was emo homo lol

[280zx 2by2]

haha i knew he was emo homo lol

"Emo" > moron wigger ricer. Just sayin.

[DA9_Vito]

"Emo" > moron wigger ricer. Just sayin.

im a moron wigger how?

[280zx 2by2]

im a moron wigger how?

Well moron was a given but Im sensing wigger too.


There are only so many things you can be when you type like a 10 year-old and drive a honda with a spray painted hood.

[David88vert]

I think they considered the b210 a sports car... And the 300zx was even slower than the 280zx for several years...

But thats beyond the point haha.

The 300ZX redeemed itself with its looks, the 2+2 was just not proportional when they extended it past the B-pillar. I'm not the only one that thinks so.
http://www.carthrottle.com/derailed-design-datsun-280zx-22/

The B210 is awesome with a big motor - but I never considered it a sports car.

What you should do is take the driveline from your 280 and put it in your wagon.....

[DA9_Vito]

Well moron was a given but Im sensing wigger too.


There are only so many things you can be when you type like a 10 year-old and drive a honda with a spray painted hood.

how the hell do i type like a 10 year old? and i know my hood is black, but since you keep talking about it you must love it. i know it caught your eye a few times now but its ok you can love it all ya want. as for wigger umm no i dont talk gangsta. i listen to hip hop so i guess that makes me a wigger. oh and moron i think not kid i know more about stuff than you.

[280zx 2by2]

The 300ZX redeemed itself with its looks, the 2+2 was just not proportional when they extended it past the B-pillar. I'm not the only one that thinks so.
http://www.carthrottle.com/derailed-design-datsun-280zx-22/

The B210 is awesome with a big motor - but I never considered it a sports car.

I know, I don't care for the looks of the rear and I feel a 12 year-old could have made the lines flow better.... But thats the way they made it, and I don't mind having the extra fold down seats, they along with the room they provide have helped me out several times.

How in the hell did they forget about the Z31 on that site?




What you should do is take the driveline from your 280 and put it in your wagon.....

Believe me I have thought about it many times along with MANY others. But it just wont fit even with relocating the radiator, there would be a lot of chopping up of the firewall. And when an SR20, KA, VG, and even a V8 bolt in with no fitment issues you don't feel too bad about forgetting about straight 6's.

[280zx 2by2]

how the hell do i type like a 10 year-old? and i know my hood is black, but since you keep talking about it you must love it. i know it caught your eye a few times now but its ok you can love it all ya want. as for wigger, umm no, i don't talk gangsta. i listen to hip hop so i guess that makes me a wigger. oh and moron? i think not kid, i know more about stuff than you.


You "know more about stuff" than I do?


Damn. At least I know where they keep white spray paint at Autozone.

[silversol]

BQUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Told you he was a skinny jean wearing faggot!

[DA9_Vito]

You "know more about stuff" than I do?


Damn. At least I know where they keep white spray paint at Autozone.

forgot we was in english class. oh wait we aren't. and like ive said before since you cant read ill say it again. Its getting painted in jan. there was black paint laying around the house so i used it instead of wasting money on paint that wont be on there long anyway. and fuck Autozone. its Advance or nothing.

[280zx 2by2]

Told you he was a skinny jean wearing faggot!

Does it it anger you that I wear skinny jeans?



I think its funny that you would associate them with being gay, girls like them, maybe not the trashy red neck whores you may associate with, but the intellectual hot as shit girls I know, do.

[94_teg_ls]

kids....

[280zx 2by2]

forgot we was in english class. oh wait we aren't. and like ive said before since you cant read ill say it again. Its getting painted in jan. there was black paint laying around the house so i used it instead of wasting money on paint that wont be on there long anyway. and fuck Autozone. its Advance or nothing.

Yeah because temporary things that cost less than $5 don't really matter. Next time you change your oil, just use water because you will just have to change it again the next 3000 miles.







Honestly are you that poor that you can't afford a $5 can of paint? Because it seems far more likely that you did it on purpose seeing as several others in your "club" have done the same thing.

[DA9_Vito]

Yeah because temporary things that cost less than $5 don't really matter. Next time you change your oil, just use water because you will just have to change it again the next 3000 miles.

that was weak.





Honestly are you that poor that you can't afford a $5 can of paint? Because it seems far more likely that you did it on purpose seeing as several others in your "club" have done the same thing.

show me other cars that have another sprayed hood. and no im not cheap i just dont see whats wrong with using free paint i had.

[280zx 2by2]

show me other cars that have another sprayed hood. and no im not cheap i just dont see whats wrong with using free paint i had.

Look down, find the white car car, then look right next to it and find the faggot ricer green car.

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC00064.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

oh do you mean the green integra with the aftermarket hood that was like 500 bucks that came black? Yes here again you fail.

[280zx 2by2]

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/th_MOV00046.jpg (http://s414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/?action=view&current=MOV00046.mp4)


OH SHIT! You're fat at fuck too! And you look like one of those ICP faggots!

[280zx 2by2]

OH MY GOD!!!

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC02000.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC01997.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC01994.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC01992.jpg



PS: your hood didn't look that bad to me...

[DA9_Vito]

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/th_MOV00046.jpg (http://s414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/?action=view&current=MOV00046.mp4)


OH SHIT! You're fat at fuck too! And you look like one of those ICP faggots!

never said i wasnt fat i know i am and it doesnt bother me a bit your wasting time trying to find dirt on me hahaha.

[DA9_Vito]

the hood was fucked and yes i had neons but not anymore.

[quickdodge®]

I just have to know - were the hoodpins functional, or stick-ons? ;)

And where were your contingency stickers? They should be all over the car like Simons - after all, the wagon was running for Oakley, right. :taun:

Hoodpins were functional. I had completely removed all pieces I could related to the factory mechanism. All I left on was the hood release in the cabin. This is a picture of the car after I "retired" from SCCA. I got my championship and headed out, lolol. My contingency stickers and other (real) sponsor stickers were on the front bumpers, rear quarter panels, deck lid and hood. I'll find a pic, but most of the younger folks won't understand so they'd just laugh and attempt a trash-fest on it.


ok congrats the 280zx would beat the old ass escort i had but it wont beat the integra case closed.

I don't think you're in a position to close any cases. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and not try to derail you any further than you're derailing yourself, but you're an idiot, man.


How was it lowered, the regular zx front struts method and blocks in the rear?

Read next quote:


Knowing QD (well, the little that I do), it was either heated springs or just flat out removing the springs (nobody ever said pimpin' was good for your back).

Echonova knows me all too well. That damn Datsun had NO springs at all under there. Straight down on compressed struts and, check it, 215/50-13 tires, lolol. Believe me when I tell you that I was the one to watch back in the late '80s. Where everyone else was mini-truckin', I was the first one to come out in a truly slammed car. I did all the things a mini-trucker would do to my wagon; shaved all door handles, drip paint interior, neon green/pink painted pieces, splatter paint and a rocked dash.


i never claimed my car was fast. but it is faster than yours.

Lolol. Later, QD.

[Elbow]

OH MY GOD!!!

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC02000.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC01997.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC01994.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/vitodon1/DSC01992.jpg



PS: your hood didn't look that bad to me...

LMFAO Damn...

[280zx 2by2]

Dammit he locked his account.... And I only got to page 6 or 12.


Oh well got the neon ricer pics saved.

[280zx 2by2]

never said i wasnt fat i know i am and it doesnt bother me a bit your wasting time trying to find dirt on me hahaha.

I like how you didn't deny the ICP comment.



Are you a juggalo?

[DA9_Vito]

yea ment to lock that awhile back. there are things on there your young eyes dont need to see lol.

[DA9_Vito]

I like how you didn't deny the ICP comment.



Are you a juggalo?

i forgot about that lol. ive heard a song or two.

[280zx 2by2]

i forgot about that lol. ive heard a song or two.

Is that you on the left? That's a fine piece of ass you got there.

http://files.sharenator.com/gothopotamus_fat_juggalo_icp_demotivational_poster _Demotivational_posters-s440x352-26279-580.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Black hood thing has been around for a while. It's not for everyone............ but i dont see anything wrong with liking it, if thats what you like. There's certainly more offensive things you can do to a vehicle.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1969-ford-mustang-mach-1-428-cobra-jet-11%20.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2615955017_46c3627932.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3148/4421/32869710022_large.jpg
http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/14874806/0904gmhtp_02_z+2010_chevy_camaro_ss+closeup_of_the _flat_black_hood.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1961/1941/29900970015_large.jpg
http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2010/07/Status-Design-Ferrari-F430-2.jpg
http://kereta.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/MODIFIED-NISSAN-SKYLINE-R34-INDRAN-ANTERA-5.jpg
http://webnewcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/blancnoir3-600x367.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7eDZ4F__iMXiOM:http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/generations
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MX_jwkrhqOY/0.jpg
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/1968_Plymouth_Roadrunner_440_V8_Front_1.jpg
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/18374032+w750+st0/sstp_0906_07_z+honda_civic_spoon+three_civics.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

the plan for mine is all white again and then get a CF hood and trunk so either way its gonna have the so called panda effect. if 280zx dont like my car he can just look the other way.

[280zx 2by2]

the plan for mine is all white again and then get a CF hood and trunk so either way its gonna have the so called panda effect. if 280zx dont like my car he can just look the other way.

So your going to paint the hood then replace it witha carbon fiber one?

Yet you can't spend $5 on a can of spray paint because that would be a waste?


IM MAD THAT SOMEONE CAN BE THIS FUCKING STUPID. IM LITERALLY RAGING RIGHT NOW.

[Sinfix_15]

the plan for mine is all white again and then get a CF hood and trunk so either way its gonna have the so called panda effect. if 280zx dont like my car he can just look the other way.

Less is more.
http://www.g2ic.com/images00/img49.imageshack.us/img49/7063/dsc00253cr1.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

So your going to paint the hood then replace it witha carbon fiber one?

Yet you can't spend $5 on a can of spray paint because that would be a waste?


IM MAD THAT SOMEONE CAN BE THIS FUCKING STUPID. IM LITERALLY RAGING RIGHT NOW.


what part of i dont want rust to get into the metal dont you get. and why buy paint when i had free paint at the house you non reading ass mother fucker.

[DA9_Vito]

Less is more.
http://www.g2ic.com/images00/img49.imageshack.us/img49/7063/dsc00253cr1.jpg

damn id say so. i like the clean look. see i like getting ideas cause it gives me options.

[DA9_Vito]

damn now i want a four door lol.

[Sinfix_15]

Done simple and clean, those older intergras can look nice. The hood definately isnt flattering when its a color different from the car.

http://www.acurapic.com/acura/car/pictures/2010/09/90-91-92-93-acura-integra-jdm-crystal-headlights-7.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

well i guess it will stay white and black til i paint it. ive thought about a blue color what ya think sinfix.

[280zx 2by2]

what part of i dont want rust to get into the metal dont you get. and why buy paint when i had free paint at the house you non reading ass mother fucker.

HERP DERP Why don't you go play in traffic you dumb ass juggalo. No one fucking likes people like you for a reason, you smell like shit because you wear the same clothes everyday, you have no taste in ANYTHING (evident by your car, clothes, and choice of music) and you people always look like you fell from the ugly tree, hit every fucking branch on the way down, then hit a trampoline and took another trip up.

[Sinfix_15]

well i guess it will stay white and black til i paint it. ive thought about a blue color what ya think sinfix.

On that particular vehicle, id pick a dark color code off any semi-luxury type car with some pearl in it. color... whatever you like, its your car. That green above looks pretty good to me.

[quickdodge®]

Lolol @ Vito. Later, QD.

[DA9_Vito]

HERP DERP Why don't you go play in traffic you dumb ass juggalo. No one fucking likes people like you for a reason, you smell like shit because you wear the same clothes everyday, you have no taste in ANYTHING (evident by your car, clothes, and choice of music) and you people always look like you fell from the ugly tree, hit every fucking branch on the way down, then hit a trampoline and took another trip up.

that hurt boo.

[DA9_Vito]

On that particular vehicle, id pick a dark color code off any semi-luxury type car with some pearl in it. color... whatever you like, its your car. That green above looks pretty good to me.

i hope the green was a joke lol well that green

[DA9_Vito]

Lolol @ Vito. Later, QD.

??? whats your problem.

[quickdodge®]

??? whats your problem.

I have zero problems. Life is great for me. But I laugh at you ignoring me bringing back what you THOUGHT was a closed case.

Oh. And the question mark (only one is necessary) goes at the end of the question. You know, the place where you stuck the wrong punctuation mark. Later, QD.

[Echonova]

This thread has reached optimum efficiency.

[DA9_Vito]

I have zero problems. Life is great for me. But I laugh at you ignoring me bringing back what you THOUGHT was a closed case. Later, QD.

that was forever ago lol. my bad old wise one.

[Sinfix_15]

green aint so bad. hot rod colors are for hot rods.

http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/DB4LYFE/16632296+w450+h338+cr0+re1+ar1/1993-acura-integra-coming-back-from-a-meet-at-mains.jpg

[280zx 2by2]

This thread has reached optimum efficiency.

http://wfive.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/facebook-like-buton3.png

[quickdodge®]

that was forever ago lol.

It was only last night. Later, QD.

[Sinfix_15]

minus the bike rack, thats a good looking car imo. i like hondas in those green/brown type colors. Makes em look more classy to me.

http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/DB4LYFE/18452404+w450+h338+cr0+re1+ar1/1993-acura-integra-import-alliance-09-in-atl.jpg

[quickdodge®]

http://wfive.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/facebook-like-buton3.png

I don't know if you saw my response on how I lowered my wagon, but it was by the removal of the springs, lolol. Later, QD.

[DA9_Vito]

minus the bike rack, thats a good looking car imo.

http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/DB4LYFE/18452404+w450+h338+cr0+re1+ar1/1993-acura-integra-import-alliance-09-in-atl.jpg

yea it is

[Echonova]

Although I must say I missed the old days. Not that long ago had your pics shown up, it would have been photoshopped and on five different websites before you could even type e-thug.

[DA9_Vito]

It was only last night. Later, QD.

im to tired to care about that anyway so you can win it. hell you did anyway lol.

[280zx 2by2]

I don't know if you saw my response on how I lowered my wagon, but it was by the removal of the springs, lolol. Later, QD.

Yeah I saw it, didn't know how to respond LOL.

Sounds like you were doing the shakotan thing before the US even knew what that was haha.



B210's came with IRS? 710's didn't. :(

[quickdodge®]

Yeah I saw it, didn't know how to respond LOL.

Sounds like you were doing the shakotan thing before the US even knew what that was haha.



B210's came with IRS? 710's didn't. :(

Oh man. I was all about the torch and just completely taking them out. Every car I've owned up until 2006 had the springs removed for maximum lowness. Even the Neon in the earlier picture ended up that way. My current cars (Grand Am and CVCC) are the only cars that still have springs. I bought a set (curse me) for the GA and I am heated and cut Civic EG springs on the CVCC.

Yes, the 210 had IRS. It was really taxing trying to get the springs out of there. Later, QD.

[280zx 2by2]

Oh man. I was all about the torch and just completely taking them out. Every car I've owned up until 2006 had the springs removed for maximum lowness. Even the Neon in the earlier picture ended up that way. My current cars (Grand Am and CVCC) are the only cars that still have springs. I bought a set (curse me) for the GA and I am heated and cut Civic EG springs on the CVCC.

Yes, the 210 had IRS. It was really taxing trying to get the springs out of there. Later, QD.

Im surprised the driveshaft didn't beat a hole in the transmission tunnel! haha.

Im considering cutting a coil or two from the front of my Z but I really don't feel like messing with it for a ghetto rigged 1 inch of drop on a daily.

[quickdodge®]

Im surprised the driveshaft didn't beat a hole in the transmission tunnel! haha.

Im considering cutting a coil or two from the front of my Z but I really don't feel like messing with it for a ghetto rigged 1 inch of drop on a daily.

I drove my wagon for 3 years like that. And it was, literally, my only car for that entire time. And I heat, not cut. Later, QD.

[David88vert]

Although I must say I missed the old days. Not that long ago had your pics shown up, it would have been photoshopped and on five different websites before you could even type e-thug.

no photoshop needed - 280zx 2by2 is Jordan Barfield, and posted his photo openly.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2245/jordanbarfield.jpg

And to Vito - he is an Honors student, so not too dumb.

[280zx 2by2]

no photoshop needed - 280zx 2by2 is Jordan Barfield, and posted his photo openly.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2245/jordanbarfield.jpg

And to Vito - he is an Honors student, so not too dumb.

Actually I was a tenth of a point from being honors. I think... Where did you see that? I want to take a look.

[David88vert]

Actually I was a tenth of a point from being honors. I think... Where did you see that? I want to take a look.

2008 - http://valdostadailytimes.com/hughschoolhonors/x1155908762/Lowndes-High-School
2009 - http://valdostadailytimes.com/hughschoolhonors/x1155930091/Lowndes-High-honor-roll/print

[280zx 2by2]

2008 - http://valdostadailytimes.com/hughschoolhonors/x1155908762/Lowndes-High-School
2009 - http://valdostadailytimes.com/hughschoolhonors/x1155930091/Lowndes-High-honor-roll/print


Oh that's honors for that year.


I failed AP Alg II that year and it raped my GPA.

[Echonova]

Oh that's honors for that year.


I failed AP Alg II that year and it raped my GPA.f0 realz?

[Echonova]

So pics come out and everyone quits posting...




Lame.

[nreggie454]

So pics come out and everyone quits posting...




Lame.
I mean, do you really have to add any more? He looks like you rubbed pizza grease on Waldo and made his outfits gayer.

[DA9_Vito]

ive been busy at work. havent had time to post back lol. gotta make that overtime pay.

[Elbow]

I mean, do you really have to add any more? He looks like you rubbed pizza grease on Waldo and made his outfits gayer.

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[280zx 2by2]

I mean, do you really have to add any more? He looks like you rubbed pizza grease on Waldo and made his outfits gayer.

Only thing gayer is the Quattro, aka 4 door glorified VW Bug.


BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


I'm surprised you aren't flustered by the waste of pizza grease you could be consuming.....














































.......................... FAT ASS.

[Elbow]

Only thing gayer is the Quattro, aka 4 door glorified VW Bug.




I'm surprised you aren't flustered by the waste of pizza grease you could be consuming.....














































.......................... FAT ASS.

Someone is PISSED. AHAHAHAHAHA :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao:

[nreggie454]

Yup, my car is exactly like a VW Bug in exactly zero ways. You could have tried to take a shot at me by saying Jetta instead, but that wouldn't bother me either. You could have some ground if my car was a cabriolet, but it isn't.

BTW, I am glad you admitted your clothes are gay. It's the first of many, many, many steps.

[Elbow]

Yup, my car is exactly like a VW Bug in exactly zero ways. You could have tried to take a shot at me by saying Jetta instead, but that wouldn't bother me either.

LMFAO I seriously laughed out loud at what he said. Bug? WTF? LMFAO

[David88vert]

Did someone try to dis the Bug?
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/car-chat/152688d1253486220-worlds-slowest-nissan-skyline-r34-rear-engine-vw-powered-img_0396.jpg

[DA9_Vito]

BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Echonova]

BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No need to describe the sensation you get when you pee to us.

[DA9_Vito]

No need to describe the sensation you get when you pee to us.

yea man shit hurts bad

[Bacon]

yea man shit hurts bad

Medication......seek it. It does help. Don't give up hope just because its lasted this long. Call the CDC and ask for some advice if you need to.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

[Slow Motion]

ibtl...

[David88vert]

All these pages and you think this is getting locked?

[DA9_Vito]

Medication......seek it. It does help. Don't give up hope just because its lasted this long. Call the CDC and ask for some advice if you need to.

i'll be sure to say your name so i get the discount lol. all jokes man.

[Got Milk?]

wait, wtf is up with this thread, why does it have 11+ pages?

EDIT: nvm, 49 pages...

[Slow Motion]

whoring it out i guess, I really don't know what's going on in here.

[DA9_Vito]

just alot of BS talking back and forth that doesnt really matter. all joking around really.

[Elbow]

just alot of BS talking back and forth that doesnt really matter. all joking around really.

I'm pretty sure the 280ZX guy isn't joking...lol

[DA9_Vito]

I'm pretty sure the 280ZX guy isn't joking...lol

yea true that cause he has took everything serious lol.

[Echonova]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/drumline16/BUTTHURT.png

[Slow Motion]

oh hell nah...

[nreggie454]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/drumline16/BUTTHURT.png
You win three internets, sir.

[Bacon]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/drumline16/BUTTHURT.png

That answers the question. :dunno:

[Echonova]

wut?

[Bacon]

wut?

You should remember "Where's Waldo?"

[Echonova]

I remember, I was just bumping back to the top.






































lulz

[Echonova]

Where did everyone go?

[Bacon]

I'm sure there are some people that have sand in their vagina and need release.

This should be stickied!

[Catnip]

I tried, Robert. lol

[teh bri]

Hmmmm. Vent about everything? I don't think that's a good idea.


However, there are a few people I'd like to punch in the face. :goodjob:

[Z0_o6]

TL: DR. Cliffnotes?

[metalmatt47]

Yes, the 210 had IRS. It was really taxing trying to get the springs out of there. Later, QD.

QD, if you're talking about the Datsun 210, it was never equipped with IRS stock. Solid axle since the 1200.

You might be thinking about the 510 or 200sx.

[Bacon]

Hmmmm. Vent about everything? I don't think that's a good idea.


However, there are a few people I'd like to punch in the face. :goodjob:

Play nice.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

[iamdallas]

How the fuck did I start this? It amazes me to see it... in my internet/forum/car infancy, I started this. I had no idea since I haven't been on this forum in FOREVER. haha

[-EnVus-]

How the fuck did I start this? It amazes me to see it... in my internet/forum/car infancy, I started this. I had no idea since I haven't been on this forum in FOREVER. haha
We created you then you created this...

[Skorcher]

We created you then you created this...


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2384466813_b491931f63.jpg

[Echonova]

Changing the title of this thread was one of the best things I ever did, aside from joining the Hair Club for Men.

[iamdallas]

Changing the title of this thread was one of the best things I ever did, aside from joining the Hair Club for Men.

And selling me that m45! Haha. I'm going to run the m45 unthrottled and leave the throttle body in the stock location. And I'll be venting with a BOV.

It's just about ready to go on.

Sent from my HTC Evo 3D using Tapatalk

[Echonova]

w00t!!!! That's awesome to hear.

[Rhys.]

welcome to life kid! Nobody cares about your problems! 240s are gay anyways!
your still a d bag

[silversol]

your still a d bag

You're still a broke low life!

[Rhys.]

I guess..... Better then being a cum guzzling D bag who goes around saying shit sucks because it has stuff done to it.... Ohhhh look at me in the Hella stock game!!! Put a couple of Dicks in your fucking eyes so we dont have to deal with your stupidity... So in other words your a D bag and:idb:

[Rhys.]

And thanks for the neg reps for venting... Your so fucking cool Mr. stock pile of shit.. Site sponsor my Harry ass.. The only thing you sponsor is cock in your mouth.... I love this thread!! Oh ya you in highschoolhttp:// http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff383/coltina69/EMO.jpg

[silversol]

Thats about the respose I would expect From a Inmature child such as yourself.. I see your still butt hurt becase I called your car what it is. Junk! Yeah i call it like i see it lugage racks on a civic and wheels that stick out of the wheel well a foot look like shit!

[Nismo]

You're still a broke low life!

Bahahahahhaha

[Skorcher]

Site sponsor my Harry ass..

Wtf, you named your ass Harry?

[Rhys.]

Thats about the respose I would expect From a Inmature child such as yourself.. I see your still butt hurt becase I called your car what it is. Junk! Yeah i call it like i see it lugage racks on a civic and wheels that stick out of the wheel well a foot look like shit!

Its funny you think I care what you think about my car... I dont its my car and built to my liking. And im immature?? Maybe to you just because your a d bag so I really only talk shit to you.. Your the immature one talkin shit bout everyones car if you dont like it site sponsor, put a Dick in your trap and move on.. And Hella stock is fucking gay!! Whats the point.. Wheres the fun?? What you argue who has the least amount of scratches.. So cool dude.. Thats so fucking cool