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h22 jones
11-28-2010, 03:39 AM
Since h2b seems to be the new thing i figured built h2b would be even better. I have checked and out of all the b series sticky threads that makes building a engine so easy there is not one on a h series . People are scared of what they dont know and people like to have something to go by when there building there motor .To clear up a few things a h22 block and a h23 block are exactly the same no difference at all. They were both cast from the same mold . If you decide to use a h23 block the only thing you have to do is pull the tiny oil restrictor out the top of the block so the vtec head can get enough oil to engage vtec . It is in the center of the block all you have to do is hand screw a 8mm blot in it and pull up thats all. If you decide to run a h23 crank you have to bend the oil squirters so they want hit the threw on the crank . If you running floating rist pin rods (odds are if your building your motor you will run floating rist pin rods ) then you dont need the oil squirters at all so just take them out . I never run oil squirters less friction on the crank (oil falling back down after being squirted onto the rods) means more hp. The first thing they ask is how much hp will this set up make .For starters im going to give a couple different combinations to get different compression with different pistonsd and cranks. This is with a stock head gasket which compresses at .026 thousandth and nothing taken off the block or head. Then i will list a couple different set ups i have done and how much hp they made plus times they run at the track.

usdm h22 10.0
jdm h22 10.6
jdm h23 10.6 9 ( my dad cc one the other day )
type s h22 11.1

h23 pistons have a different rist pin displacement then h22 pistons causing 1. of compression if you run h22 pistons on h23 crank and h23 rods. If you run any of these set ups your piston will stick out the block aproximately .020 . Remeber you have .026 of head gasket plus about .030 worth of lip in the head there is plenty of clearence you could even shave a little if you wanted a little more compression but i would recomend claying the motor if you take anymore off then what im suggesting. There is not a piston to valve interference problem but i do suggest taking a dremel and opening up the valve reliefs(they dont need to be deeper just take some off the back) just a little just in case you break your timing belt it will help preventing bent valves but you dont have to .

h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 usdm pistons 11.0
h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 jdm pistons 11.6
h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 type s pistons 12.1

As you can see if you want to make a nice all motor set up you can get alot of compression with stock h series parts. Also just to help everybody out a f22 crank and rods is the same part number as a h23 crank and rods they are the same thing so there is you a cheap crank and rods to start your build with.

Now here is a couple simple 225-230 hp motors i have built very cheap then i will go from there.

h22 crank
h22 rods
type s pistons (11.1 compression)
skunk2 stage 2 cams
euro r intake
70mm throttle body
kidd racing header (rmf)
stock head
balance shaft removal kit
2.5 half inch ebay exaust
three inch intake
t2t4 f20b trany
227hp
ran low 13s with this in a cx hatchtrany never went in second right

h23 crank
h23 rods
type s pistons (12.1 compression)
skunk2 stage 2 cams
kidd racing header (rmf)
stock head
balance shaft removal kit
stock intake
stock f20b 65mm throttle body
2.5 inch muffler shop exaust
three inch cold air intake
m2b4 trany
231 hp (25 more hp across the mid range due mainly to the longer stroke crank)
ran 12.8 in si hatch complete interior

As you can see there are some very simple all motor builds you can do with a h22 motor. I have never went h2b (although i am in the process of building on now) but from my understand there suppose to take about a half a tenth off your time so minus half a tenth on any off the set ups above for h2b . Also because of the gearing h2b is worth about ten more dyno hp so add ten hp to each set up for h2b. Make sure you do the balance shaft elimination there good for up to 10 dyno hp which you will not get anywere esle for 130
dollars.I had to cut the dome off my 11.5 cp pistons to get them down to 12.3 compression because of running them on h23 crank and h23rods . Remeber that adding 1. for h22 pistons only applies to what i listed when you start boring or shaving the head and block everything changes . Also the further in the head the piston goes everything changes because of the shape of the cumbuston chamber.

Here is a couple 250 plus hp motor i have had a hand in .

H22 crank
h22 crower rods
h22 weisco 11.5 compression 88mm pistons
skunk2 intake
70mm throttle body
skunk2 pro2 cams
port and polished head (by my dad )
kidd racing header (rmf)
full 3 inch exaust
3 inch intake
balance shft removal kit
h2b b16 trany
252 hp
ran high 12s in cx hatch also had trouble with trany

H23 crank
h23 crower rods
11.5 h22 88mm cp pistons (had to cut the doom off the pistons to get 12.3 compression)
golden eagle dropp in sleeves
skunk2 stage 2 cams
port and polished head (by my dad )
port and polished stock intake (by my dad )
kidd racing header (rmf)
2.5 muffler shop exaust
3 inch cold air intake
h series t2t4 trany off a f20b
252hp (about 25 more hp across the midrange because of the larger crank i beleive)
running 12.3 in si hatch complete interior

h22 jones
11-28-2010, 03:45 AM
If someone wants to sticky this feel free so that everytime someone pms me asking about set ups i can send them here . I am in the process of building at least two motors that will be a good bit bigger then the set ups i posted about when i get the results i will update thread . If anybody can think of anything else that would be good info please post . If anybody sees anything they think is wrong please post as it is late and im not perfect by any means . Please do not crowd this thread with well i thought this ,and i read that, if i did not have my hands on it and check it myself then it would not be posted .This is not stuff i read. I am not saying i dont make mistakes but if you correct me do it yourself not by something you read please. I get phone calls everyday about building h series motors so i thought i would just help everybody out a little and post some stuff that i know .

big mac
11-28-2010, 08:29 AM
couple of questions. so its safe to run stage 2 cams on h22a stock valve train?
and how reliable is high compression h22 as far aslong trips?

this is my current set up

h22a swap
h22 type s cams
skunk 2 cam gears
skunk 2 intake manifold
skunk 2 68 mm throttle body
aem fuel rail
removed balance shat belt
aem fpr
dsm 440 cc injectors
walbro 255
3inch velocity stack intake
kidd racing drag race header
custom 3inch exhaust only magnaflow resinator
m2b4 tranny lsd also have trouble with second haha
stage 3 clutch with 91 accord shift assembly
zex wet nitrous kit 65 shot

i made 199 whp and 159 tq
with 65 shot 259 whp and 230 tq

im looking to do a oem build soon shhoting for like 240. along with h2b maybe

DarKStaR
11-28-2010, 10:38 AM
^if im not mistaken(mike correct me if im wrong) but i believe h22 jones is/was running type s valvetrain with the s2s2

big mac
11-28-2010, 11:47 AM
think its okay with type s valve train but idk about the h22a

h22 jones
11-28-2010, 05:06 PM
I have run several cams on type s valve train with no probleams for years . I do not rev my motors past 8300 because they do not make power past that. Type s cams have a tone of lift there actualy pretty aggresive cams . Ive seen 240hp on type s cams . My point is the type s valve train is realy nice stuff i wouldnt be scared to run it on any cams but stage 3 or pro 3 because of coil bind issues. On realy big strait race cams you end up with coil bind if you dont run the proper springs with the proper cams . In other words the lobes on the cam are so big that when they compress the springs the springs actualy bottom out before the lobe spins all the way over. This will eat up valve train and destroy a head . To answer your question with out over reving the motor type s valve train will work just fine with stage 2 cams ive been running them for 2 years . As for long trips on high compression motors there is no problem as long as the motor is built properly . Actualy with the stage 2 cams the primary lobe is the same as stock cams so unless your in vtec your basically running stock cams thats why we get such good gas mileage. So as for lng trips if your not in vtec your basicaly driving a stock motor with a little more tourqe from the higher compression bottom end. All that does is when we slow down to make a turn we dont even have to down shift just leave it in fifth and it doesnt even lug the motor realy alot of fun to drive . We are also running a resonator and a hudge muffler so the car is very quite untill you lay into it then has a realy nice deep sound. I normaly trailer the car to main stream to get tunned just because i love to ride in my expidition but we have drove the car there several times and dynoed it . Also how long your built motor last completely depends on how well you built it ours has around 15,000 on it right now and as far as i can see its just broke in well it keeps making more power everytime we put it on the dyno and has more vacum then it did the first time we dynoed it.

*EFilliated*
11-28-2010, 05:52 PM
Good thread sir

RsonGt3's
11-28-2010, 06:35 PM
dam this guy knows his shit



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big mac
11-28-2010, 07:06 PM
h22jones, what kind of gains to you think i would see keeping the same head i have now and going with h23 crank, rods and type s pistons?

EJ6
11-28-2010, 07:36 PM
good shit next year is going to be fun

*EFilliated*
11-28-2010, 07:43 PM
O yea


good shit next year is going to be fun

EJ6
11-28-2010, 07:53 PM
O yea

word

h22 jones
11-28-2010, 09:15 PM
Around 15hp and over 25 foot pounds of tourqe if i had to guess. I made 230 but with better cams and a little deferent stuff you should see 215 no problem. I always try to be moddest so if you make more you will be even happier lol.

94ej2
11-28-2010, 10:11 PM
great info sir.

big mac
11-28-2010, 10:23 PM
hahaha lol gotcha bc i thought the 199 and 159 tq were awsome just for mainly bolt ons.
so from there i could still do type s valve train and sk2 cams for a bit more

*EFilliated*
11-28-2010, 10:34 PM
numbers seem kinda low for the stuff that's done to it. Is it tuned?


couple of questions. so its safe to run stage 2 cams on h22a stock valve train?
and how reliable is high compression h22 as far aslong trips?

this is my current set up

h22a swap
h22 type s cams
skunk 2 cam gears
skunk 2 intake manifold
skunk 2 68 mm throttle body
aem fuel rail
removed balance shat belt
aem fpr
dsm 440 cc injectors
walbro 255
3inch velocity stack intake
kidd racing drag race header
custom 3inch exhaust only magnaflow resinator
m2b4 tranny lsd also have trouble with second haha
stage 3 clutch with 91 accord shift assembly
zex wet nitrous kit 65 shot

i made 199 whp and 159 tq
with 65 shot 259 whp and 230 tq

im looking to do a oem build soon shhoting for like 240. along with h2b maybe

big mac
11-29-2010, 12:19 AM
yeah man tuned with p28 on crome from import experts in winder ga

.:Stirfry:.
11-29-2010, 01:22 AM
great info: vote sticky

DarKStaR
11-29-2010, 09:55 AM
numbers seem kinda low for the stuff that's done to it. Is it tuned?
numbers are just that...numbers...every dyno is different

*EFilliated*
11-29-2010, 01:44 PM
True


numbers are just that...numbers...every dyno is different

chaseamundo
11-29-2010, 04:35 PM
Sticky this!!!!

great info!

h22 jones
11-29-2010, 10:51 PM
I was bored up all night so i decided to help everybody out atleast sticky this please lol.

NoWAyItZTOMmY
11-30-2010, 12:37 AM
what valvetrain would you recommend for s2p2?

so far, i am only running 70mm tb, vteckidd rmf, 440cc. and plan on throwing the p2 in. and maybe a RBC manifold

also i have a feel;s twin cam header w/ 3" collector on it.

Apex1972
11-30-2010, 12:46 AM
dam this guy knows his shit



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yes he does. even in the import world displacement helps.

Apex1972
11-30-2010, 12:48 AM
sticky vote

big mac
11-30-2010, 12:52 AM
hmmmmmmmmm i think an all h22 meet in in order

NEMO
11-30-2010, 06:41 AM
I have run several cams on type s valve train with no probleams for years . I do not rev my motors past 8300 because they do not make power past that. mine did :tongue1: but you are right most dont make power past 8300. your dad just did great work porting my head.

but damn Mike, why you giving all the secrets away lol jk

yeah man tuned with p28 on crome from import experts in winder ga i believe with a better tune(r) you can see more power with your setup you have now.

*EFilliated*
11-30-2010, 09:40 AM
I agree

i believe with a better tune(r) you can see more power with your setup you have now.[/QUOTE]

big mac
11-30-2010, 11:08 AM
Wanna do a few more mods and see maybe do another tune. Bc I added the exhaust throttle body and exhaust after I tuned it the first time so I prob has abbilty to make more power

Apex1972
11-30-2010, 12:51 PM
@big mac love your hatch dude. I thought you were sellin it.

Apex1972
11-30-2010, 12:52 PM
hmmmmmmmmm i think an all h22 meet in in order

this/\

big mac
11-30-2010, 12:54 PM
hahah thansk bro yeah it is forsale but if it dosent sell in the next 2 weeks ill keep it. and the h22 meet would be good

94ej2
11-30-2010, 06:36 PM
i made 236whp/170tq H2B. before H2B was 230whp/165tq

stock bottomend
stock intake manifold
stock casting head [shaved]
blox type b cams
supertech springs&retainers
ferra flat valves
one layer head gasket
KStuned Balance shaft eliminator kit
kiddracing rmf style header
440cc injectors
on e85

*EFilliated*
11-30-2010, 07:53 PM
Nice, I gotta stick to 93, its my daily


i made 236whp/170tq H2B. before H2B was 230whp/165tq

stock bottomend
stock intake manifold
stock casting head [shaved]
blox type b cams
supertech springs&retainers
ferra flat valves
one layer head gasket
KStuned Balance shaft eliminator kit
kiddracing rmf style header
440cc injectors
on e85

94ej2
11-30-2010, 08:28 PM
it was my dd. i keep a 55 gallon drum at my shop. its only a 30mins drive to get gas. all our shop cars run e85.

h22 jones
11-30-2010, 11:03 PM
Yea thats why i said all my cars dont make hp paste 8300 i think yours peaked at 8400 rpm. Someone needs to buy nemos head its proven worthy thats for sure.

Sometimes bigger is not always better unless you get your compression up to 11.5 i would run skunk2 stage 2 cams you will make more power. As you can see we have had alot of luck with our stage 2 cams ,they realy nice power ,there great for a street car and get great gas mileage also . Bigger is not always better if you dont have the goods to support them.

I would be real interested in seeing what our car made on e85 especialy with the compression were making should be some nice numbers. I am thanking about running e85 on the new setup. If you dont mine me asking what duty cycle were your injectors at running e85 at 230hp . The reason i ask is i know e85 takes alot bigger injector so were my rc550 are fine for 253 hp on 93 they may max out on e85 ive always wondered that. I have some rc 650 for the new set up but if i hit any were near my power goals im not sure if they will max out . Im trying to keep the car driver friendly and streetable so i dont want to run any bigger injector then i have to . I have heard you need double the injector but that cant be quit right if your running 440.

h22 jones
11-30-2010, 11:18 PM
I want more h series guys out there but trust me this is just to get them started lol no were near all the secrets . I am tired of reading about all these b series all motor builds with a tone of shit barely breaking 200hp or maybe a little more ( I am not talking about everybody there are some nicely built b series all motor cars on here ) when they could have bolted in a stock h2b and broke 12s. i mean it is all about how fast you can go and not how much shit you have isnt it? Instead of worrying about what looks good or what everybody else is running all i car about is going as fast as i can for as cheap as i can . Im always trying to help and will be glad to do what ever i can to help anybody just how i am . First thing to remember is building a motor is not bolting a bunch of high price parts together and hope it runs good. Everything has to compliment everything else in order for a all motor to make real power.

big mac
12-01-2010, 01:04 AM
hey h22jones will you be at the vmeet thursday i wanna check out your car bro

h22 jones
12-01-2010, 05:02 PM
i doubt it man i dont get up that way much and my dad drives this car every day . I normaly just race it i like my expidition for a everyday ride lol. i get my son on thursday and he has to be in bed early for school or i might would ride up ill see.

big mac
12-01-2010, 07:14 PM
Hmmm gotcha I really wanna see it Friday will be it's last say on road before build starts

94ej2
12-01-2010, 08:21 PM
heres my graph with pump gas and e85 differents...on M2B4 transmission.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx333/ptftwbuilt/Bkiller.jpg

on e85 you need around 30% more fuel.

CaTcH22
12-01-2010, 08:35 PM
hmmmmmmmmm i think an all h22 meet in in order

Im not allmotor, but i think this is a good idea.

h22 jones
12-01-2010, 10:09 PM
thats just supposed to be from going from pump to e85 ? Thats a hudge difference i find that hard to beleive but your compression should be over 12.1 with what you have or real close to it maybe thats why. So the only thing change between both pulls is the type of gas ? And was it tunned on both gases or did you just do a pull on pump gas with the e85 tune? Im not nocking it at all just wondering what the hatch would on e85 a ten horse power gain would be well above 260 that would be nice and might make a high 11 second pass that im looking for out the dd.

h22 jones
12-02-2010, 01:10 AM
What time is everybody meeting and how long does it last tomorrow night ? I have to run it by the wife to get a kitchen pass lol.

big mac
12-02-2010, 01:18 AM
the varsity?
tomorrow will be the last day i drive the hatch before i start the build.
im doing. h23 rod and crank. type s pistons. flat face valves along with sk2 cams or brain c. maybe a mild port and polish. what will i be looking at power wise. i was thinking arpund 230 or so and like almost 300 spray.

94_teg_ls
12-02-2010, 01:59 AM
ill bring my hatch up since its now running right it would be nice to see other setups

h22 jones
12-02-2010, 03:11 AM
yea the varsity and as you can see ive made 230 with stock head ,type s pistons and stage 2 cams so 230 should be easy . I would think closer to 240.

DarKStaR
12-02-2010, 04:34 AM
thats just supposed to be from going from pump to e85 ? Thats a hudge difference i find that hard to beleive but your compression should be over 12.1 with what you have or real close to it maybe thats why. So the only thing change between both pulls is the type of gas ? And was it tunned on both gases or did you just do a pull on pump gas with the e85 tune? Im not nocking it at all just wondering what the hatch would on e85 a ten horse power gain would be well above 260 that would be nice and might make a high 11 second pass that im looking for out the dd.
Mike, e85 is like 100+ octane race gas, except it burns quicker hince the %30 more fuel you need.

h22 jones
12-02-2010, 05:08 AM
I love you but your wrong race gas burns slower sir . I know what it is joey i judt find it hard to beleive it makes ten more horse power by running it. Ive checked into it and properly tunned with the compresson we are running it should me 3-4 hp difference. Now if he tunned it e85 and just decided to do a pull with 93 then sure ten hp would be about right because the motor wouldnt be tunned for 93 octane . I talked to scottie alot about this and this is his guess also. If it did make 10 more hp and 20 more hp incertain places then 93 with both tunned id like to know because that means im wrong and i need to run some e85. Instead of it all exploiding at once to push the piston down it burns slow and is actualy driving the piston down for a longer period of time then 93 octane thats how race gas goes. Also remember 20hp for me to find is like 100 hp for your turbo car to find so thats alot off just changing fuel .Now if his compression is over 13.1 then i could see it making that much difference but i beleive he is closer to 12.1 compression.

NEMO
12-02-2010, 08:03 AM
the varsity?
tomorrow will be the last day i drive the hatch before i start the build.
im doing. h23 rod and crank. type s pistons. flat face valves along with sk2 cams or brain c. maybe a mild port and polish. what will i be looking at power wise. i was thinking arpund 230 or so and like almost 300 spray.you should just buy my head

civicnick
12-02-2010, 12:29 PM
I have run several cams on type s valve train with no probleams for years . I do not rev my motors past 8300 because they do not make power past that. Type s cams have a tone of lift there actualy pretty aggresive cams . Ive seen 240hp on type s cams . My point is the type s valve train is realy nice stuff i wouldnt be scared to run it on any cams but stage 3 or pro 3 because of coil bind issues. On realy big strait race cams you end up with coil bind if you dont run the proper springs with the proper cams . In other words the lobes on the cam are so big that when they compress the springs the springs actualy bottom out before the lobe spins all the way over. This will eat up valve train and destroy a head . To answer your question with out over reving the motor type s valve train will work just fine with stage 2 cams ive been running them for 2 years . As for long trips on high compression motors there is no problem as long as the motor is built properly . Actualy with the stage 2 cams the primary lobe is the same as stock cams so unless your in vtec your basically running stock cams thats why we get such good gas mileage. So as for lng trips if your not in vtec your basicaly driving a stock motor with a little more tourqe from the higher compression bottom end. All that does is when we slow down to make a turn we dont even have to down shift just leave it in fifth and it doesnt even lug the motor realy alot of fun to drive . We are also running a resonator and a hudge muffler so the car is very quite untill you lay into it then has a realy nice deep sound. I normaly trailer the car to main stream to get tunned just because i love to ride in my expidition but we have drove the car there several times and dynoed it . Also how long your built motor last completely depends on how well you built it ours has around 15,000 on it right now and as far as i can see its just broke in well it keeps making more power everytime we put it on the dyno and has more vacum then it did the first time we dynoed it.

with the not making power past 8300 are you talking about with stock cams or H22's in general? if you are speaking in general of H22's i would have to disagree with you.

civicnick
12-02-2010, 12:37 PM
nice thread . hope to see some more H22's out and about. cant wait to put mine back together once i get home. hopefully i can make IFO in atlanta and see some of these cars...

big mac
12-02-2010, 12:49 PM
Lol I would memo but I'm broke if I sell my m2b4 tranny I'll get it. I'll be at the v tonight in the hatch. Then it will be coming apart

h22 jones
12-02-2010, 07:14 PM
i was speaking of my motors that i have built and i have dyno sheets to prove were there peaked and were they fell off. I mean of course there are h22s out there making hp past 8300 just not mine. I am running alot more cubic inches then nemo was and a smaller cam . We also cut nemos head bigger for the bigger cams were we cut ours smaller for the stagge 2 cams were running . I have yet to build our race motor or even went all out with this motor its my dads dd. The car were racing right now is a bunch of stuff i have had for years in my dd that my dad started fooling with trying to see how much power he could get out of it and still keep it dependable ., Everything we have done to this motor was to make power down low in order to make it last long and be more depenable .It has over 15,000 miles on it now and a tone of track times. These cams have been in 5 different motors and still seem to amaze me everytime my dad does a little more they pump out a few more ponys. I figured they would be maxed out by now but there not. I mean were running a 2.5 inch muffler shop exaust with a resonator and muffler you cant even hear the car till he gets in it . Im sure we could take this motor to a whole new level but no need to its busting ass like it is and is very dependable. I also have a cx hatch waiting for the new build and everything but rods to build the new build so no need in messing this one up sometimes just leave well enough alone. Im also running type s springs and retainers now do i think they will hold these cams to 9,500 rpms yes i have no doubt (since ive miss shifted several times with no problems) but no need to beat our dd to death either. nemo had a hell of a motor that flowed a tone of air it realy suprised me but id rather have 20 more hp across the mid range then make hp a few rpms higher . Ill post graph if i can find it to explain what i mean .I mean our top hp number going up isnt even what has ever impressed me about our motor its that everytime we do something to it the mid range gains 20 more hp this thing pulls hard from start to finish and were not running h2b . Im sure we could cut the head bigger ,install bigger cams , open up the exaust and it might make hp at a higher rpm but we will save all that for the motor im building now. If you have a dyn of a all motor h22 dyno making power over 8300 rpm id like to see it because ibe searched and searched on honda tech and ive found one besides nemos . I drealy be interested if it has a h23 crank and bigger pistons thats alot of air to flow id like to see what head there running . The head my dad cut for my motor and nemos head is big thats why it made hp all the way to 8400 and then i think it plained off and held it ill have to find the dyno it was nice though.

DarKStaR
12-02-2010, 07:56 PM
I love you but your wrong race gas burns slower sir . I know what it is joey i judt find it hard to beleive it makes ten more horse power by running it. Ive checked into it and properly tunned with the compresson we are running it should me 3-4 hp difference. Now if he tunned it e85 and just decided to do a pull with 93 then sure ten hp would be about right because the motor wouldnt be tunned for 93 octane . I talked to scottie alot about this and this is his guess also. If it did make 10 more hp and 20 more hp incertain places then 93 with both tunned id like to know because that means im wrong and i need to run some e85. Instead of it all exploiding at once to push the piston down it burns slow and is actualy driving the piston down for a longer period of time then 93 octane thats how race gas goes. Also remember 20hp for me to find is like 100 hp for your turbo car to find so thats alot off just changing fuel .Now if his compression is over 13.1 then i could see it making that much difference but i beleive he is closer to 12.1 compression.

lmao, whoa didnt mean to put burns faster. Damn 5:30 was ruff this morning haha

94ej2
12-02-2010, 09:09 PM
thats just supposed to be from going from pump to e85 ? Thats a hudge difference i find that hard to beleive but your compression should be over 12.1 with what you have or real close to it maybe thats why. So the only thing change between both pulls is the type of gas ? And was it tunned on both gases or did you just do a pull on pump gas with the e85 tune? Im not nocking it at all just wondering what the hatch would on e85 a ten horse power gain would be well above 260 that would be nice and might make a high 11 second pass that im looking for out the dd.

thats going from tuned on pump gas then tuned on e85. i would say my compression is a lil over 11.5:1. it reads 290PSI with compression tester.... the flat valves, shaved head, and 1 layer head gasket help alot. i would like to get into 11's next time out i think i have the mph for it.

our all motor pro hatch only made 232whp on e85 b20vtec cast pistons went [email protected]..

Apex1972
12-02-2010, 09:31 PM
"I have heard you need double the injector but that cant be quit right if your running 440"
damn Mike, there you go with that I heard shit again lol!!!!!!!!!!!

h22 jones
12-03-2010, 08:08 AM
Damn man thats good id like to see what our car would make on e85 sounds like some realy good stuff.

I talked to scottie at mainstream and i couple other tunners that tune alot of cars not read some bullshit someidiot put on the internet and thought it was true like you do keary lol. Did you see how i asked a question instead of getting on here saying that you have to run double the injectore to run e85 like i know what im talking about because somebody told me something? Try that sometime keary.

94ej2
12-03-2010, 09:35 AM
yup, we tune alot of e85 cars down here. and its much cheaper than 87 octance too lol. theres no real way to tell what duty cycle for e85 on hondata. it doesnt do alternative fuel like e85 on their estimation but i can tell you you need 30% or more injectors.

civicnick
12-03-2010, 09:55 AM
i was speaking of my motors that i have built and i have dyno sheets to prove were there peaked and were they fell off. I mean of course there are h22s out there making hp past 8300 just not mine. I am running alot more cubic inches then nemo was and a smaller cam . We also cut nemos head bigger for the bigger cams were we cut ours smaller for the stagge 2 cams were running . I have yet to build our race motor or even went all out with this motor its my dads dd. The car were racing right now is a bunch of stuff i have had for years in my dd that my dad started fooling with trying to see how much power he could get out of it and still keep it dependable ., Everything we have done to this motor was to make power down low in order to make it last long and be more depenable .It has over 15,000 miles on it now and a tone of track times. These cams have been in 5 different motors and still seem to amaze me everytime my dad does a little more they pump out a few more ponys. I figured they would be maxed out by now but there not. I mean were running a 2.5 inch muffler shop exaust with a resonator and muffler you cant even hear the car till he gets in it . Im sure we could take this motor to a whole new level but no need to its busting ass like it is and is very dependable. I also have a cx hatch waiting for the new build and everything but rods to build the new build so no need in messing this one up sometimes just leave well enough alone. Im also running type s springs and retainers now do i think they will hold these cams to 9,500 rpms yes i have no doubt (since ive miss shifted several times with no problems) but no need to beat our dd to death either. nemo had a hell of a motor that flowed a tone of air it realy suprised me but id rather have 20 more hp across the mid range then make hp a few rpms higher . Ill post graph if i can find it to explain what i mean .I mean our top hp number going up isnt even what has ever impressed me about our motor its that everytime we do something to it the mid range gains 20 more hp this thing pulls hard from start to finish and were not running h2b . Im sure we could cut the head bigger ,install bigger cams , open up the exaust and it might make hp at a higher rpm but we will save all that for the motor im building now. If you have a dyn of a all motor h22 dyno making power over 8300 rpm id like to see it because ibe searched and searched on honda tech and ive found one besides nemos . I drealy be interested if it has a h23 crank and bigger pistons thats alot of air to flow id like to see what head there running . The head my dad cut for my motor and nemos head is big thats why it made hp all the way to 8400 and then i think it plained off and held it ill have to find the dyno it was nice though.

i dont have the graph of mine as im in afghanistan right now but i shift at 9000 rpms and my motor is making power all the way to redline. granted its not a ton of power but it is still making power. my motor is fairly stock. the only aftermarket parts are blox cams and supertech springs and retainers. im also running open exhaust.

nemos motor and my motor would have been very comparable. he was making about 15 more wph than i was, but he also had pistons and a head job. Nemo and i talked about our cars at IFO Montgomery last year, i never got to see him run it as he had already started having issues with it when i met him but it sounded like a great build. I know that DarKStaR videoed a few of my runs at Montgomery, dunno if you can hear how high i am revving since he was on top of the tower but thats about the best i could do for now. Hopefully we can get together at a IFO or showdown when i get back. i would be interested to talk about getting some headwork done and seeing your guys car. i love seeing fast H's out there..... it keeps those K's on their toes!!!

*EFilliated*
12-03-2010, 11:54 AM
What is the car weigh wit u in it? I pretty sure it has more than just cams if ur running 11s


i dont have the graph of mine as im in afghanistan right now but i shift at 9000 rpms and my motor is making power all the way to redline. granted its not a ton of power but it is still making power. my motor is fairly stock. the only aftermarket parts are blox cams and supertech springs and retainers. im also running open exhaust.

nemos motor and my motor would have been very comparable. he was making about 15 more wph than i was, but he also had pistons and a head job. Nemo and i talked about our cars at IFO Montgomery last year, i never got to see him run it as he had already started having issues with it when i met him but it sounded like a great build. I know that DarKStaR videoed a few of my runs at Montgomery, dunno if you can hear how high i am revving since he was on top of the tower but thats about the best i could do for now. Hopefully we can get together at a IFO or showdown when i get back. i would be interested to talk about getting some headwork done and seeing your guys car. i love seeing fast H's out there..... it keeps those K's on their toes!!!

94ej2
12-03-2010, 03:23 PM
he has the white 89-91 civic hatch. trapping 113mph seems right now his power and weight.

jerseyef9
12-03-2010, 04:14 PM
he has the white 89-91 civic hatch. trapping 113mph seems right now his power and weight.


i do have to agree with 94ej2 say power to weight equal out the ef might be even faster as is just lil more time on the track

h22 jones
12-03-2010, 05:55 PM
ive seen the car run it runs good . He weighs nothing lol if your wondering why its so fast and evedently he has his gearing like he likes it. it takes alot more then just power to make a car run great times at the track . Number one you got to either make a tone of power or not weigh shit lol or in his case a little of both anyway car runs nice times. When you say make power to 9,0000 do you mean peak power or hold power till 9,000 because our motor doesnt drop off for awhile but it peaks under 8,000 i think . Im guessing since your reving that high your running short gearing seeing that you can stretch the gear out . im pretty sure i got my trany set up like i like it just need to get this thing together. As i stated before were running ALOT more cubic inches then nemo was and probably you are so we have aloe more air to move which makes it more diffucult to make power at higher rpms but we wil see how my motor does it should be even more cubic inches but im running bigger cams and a bigger head so we will see were it peaks at. Im taking donations for my $760.00 rods lol just pm for details on were to send the money lmao. i also should have no problem getting my car to atleast 350 pounds lighter then my dads si hatch considering it has no weight reduction at all. We need to put out motor on your h2b setup in your light as hatch that would be a beast .

*EFilliated*
12-03-2010, 08:38 PM
Yea I forgot I drive a heavy ass coupe lol


he has the white 89-91 civic hatch. trapping 113mph seems right now his power and weight.

98blackcivic
12-04-2010, 08:38 AM
damn..
this is omar
all this h22 and h23 talk made me whip my dick out and start masturbating

civicnick
12-05-2010, 04:29 AM
the car weighed in at 2020lbs with me in it at IFO Commerce. people tell me all the time that the motor is built. i dunno what to say to those people because they already have their mind made up that i am lying.... i cant change someones mind. i have blox b's, supertech springs and retainers. i have a really good header and a tune that has been worked over for the past 3 years on the street and on the dyno. the motor thats in the car came on a pallet from a importer, cams and springs went in, motor went in the car and thats all she wrote.

peak power is around 8500 rpms. but the power curve doesnt nose over at that point, it keeps climbing although its not alot but it is still an increase. i dropped about 2-3 tenths when i changed the shift point from 8500 to 9000. im running a jdm y1 tranny so yes the gearing is short. i agree with everything you are saying, i was originally asking if you were generalizing H's or your motors specifically, and it sounds like you are mainly talking about your motors. if you wanna bolt one of your motors in my car im cool with that... lol. who wouldnt pass up the chance to try a motor in their car without putting an ass of money in it first!

i've got a new motor in the works that will hopefully turn a few heads at the track.... and hopefully put a lot of K's on edge.... unfortunately i wont be back to the states before Commerce IFO and even if i was the car wouldnt be ready, but hopefully ill be ready for Gainesville and Montgomery!

Apex1972
12-05-2010, 12:50 PM
damn..
this is omar
all this h22 and h23 talk made me whip my dick out and start masturbating

lmfao

h22 jones
12-05-2010, 02:15 PM
Sounds like fun man im not a hater i love all fast cars . I care nothing about being the fastest i just like to be competitive . I also have a motor in the works that should turn a few heads also . My dads hatch weighs 2480 with me in it lol almost 500 pounds heavier . I beleive our hatch will run 11s like it sits but im sure it would on a lighter body like the one im building. I mean this motor has all the potentail in the worl and if i didnt just happen to have a clean cx body and enough shit to build another bad ass motor i would just make the si faster but hell mine as well finish this other car .

h22 jones
12-05-2010, 05:25 PM
i just figured i would post up a dyno sheet from when we went from 230hp to 252 hp . We went from type s pistons to cp pistons (11.1 to 12.3 compression) and my dad port and polished the head and stock intake manifold as you can see there were realy nice gains from just that.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/michaeldalej/dalesdyno.jpg

Got Milk?
12-07-2010, 04:41 PM
e85 FTMFW, cheaper than 87 too.

h22 jones
12-07-2010, 10:38 PM
hmm!

donek9
12-23-2010, 12:23 AM
anyone using the kaizenspeed BS removal kit? i plan on purchasing one but not sure how difficult it is to install.

1EVILZ
12-23-2010, 08:29 PM
very good info. Just picked up a 99 Ek hatch with a h22 mated to a m2b4 tranny. right now only has intake and exhaust

h22 jones
12-23-2010, 10:09 PM
i am running that balance shaft removal kit . It is not that hard to install but make sure its done right. JJ at jj spec does his own im not sure what he charges but you can ask him.
I just sold a ek with a h22 swap in it about six months ago but it had a m2a4 trany in it yours should have lsd if it is a m2b4.

donek9
12-24-2010, 01:36 AM
ive read that with this kit you cant run a lower timing belt cover because of it moving the crank pulley in an inch. is this true?

Apex1972
12-25-2010, 07:58 PM
ive read that with this kit you cant run a lower timing belt cover because of it moving the crank pulley in an inch. is this true?

never heard that before, but what the fuck do I know. ask someone else just to be sure.

jnv255
12-25-2010, 08:35 PM
i am running that balance shaft removal kit . It is not that hard to install but make sure its done right. JJ at jj spec does his own im not sure what he charges but you can ask him.
I just sold a ek with a h22 swap in it about six months ago but it had a m2a4 trany in it yours should have lsd if it is a m2b4.

He did mine

h22 jones
12-26-2010, 09:27 PM
This kit comes with a spacer for wear the balance shaft gear would normaly go . So running the lower timing cover is not a problem and is on my motor. If for some reason yours did not come with a spacer just leave the balance shaft gear on th crank as a spacer but the kit comes with a spacer to use.

donek9
12-26-2010, 10:53 PM
i havnt ordered mine yet but plan on it this week. just wanted to get some info on it first. ill probably just take everything to jjspec and let them install it. thanks for the info.

big mac
12-26-2010, 11:28 PM
quick question how much is a m2b4 tranny going for right now? or better yet how muchwould you pat for one

h22 jones
12-27-2010, 01:04 AM
i would advise that because the pins in the main caps can be a pain. Also the plugs for the oil pump housing can be a bitch to press in . If you dont have a tourqe wrench to put main bolts back in then you cant do it. Also you have to drill and tap one hole to put a bolt in. Before your order a kit call jj he may can just do it the way he does alot cheaper man . I gave him my sleeved block to have it checked by his machine shop as a favor because i gave him another block that he needed and he went ahead and welded all my holes up for me so it saved me 150 dollars from buying the kit. Of course i would have installed it my self but now i dont have to worry about it i saved 150 dollars thanks jj i realy appreciate . Thing is guys i didnt even ask him to do it . he just did it to show his appreciation for me giving him a clean h22 to block that he needed now thats a good guy . One that that doesnt expect something for nothing and goes out of there way return a favor to show you how much they appreciate something i wish everybody was like that . Hell i give people shit all the time then when i need something they charge full price it realy gets on my nerves.

h22 jones
12-27-2010, 01:06 AM
I have alot of stuff i would like to add to this thread but i feel like its waste of time if somebody dont sticky it. So someone talk somebody into stickying this thread and i will ad a tone of more information to help the h22 guys out.

Apex1972
12-27-2010, 06:14 PM
i will bump it up for you daily. for free. its not like this site is that busy it will stay front page anyway. come on with the info Jones. dont be holdin out. I think IM finally over this damn flu dude I will be around if you need any help with anything, sorry I aint been around.

EssexCounty
12-27-2010, 08:20 PM
Will the balance shaft kit work on f-series motors..

Apex1972
12-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Will the balance shaft kit work on f-series motors..

it should. I would still ask someone else to be sure. anyone with the last name Jones should know.

94_teg_ls
12-27-2010, 08:35 PM
what about destroking a h22a with some h23a euro r rods? this would drop the cr to around 8.75 what do you thing

h22 jones
12-27-2010, 10:32 PM
if i was going to destroke a h it would be using the f20b crank and rods . i dont realy care about reving my car to 10,000 so ill stick with bigger is better lol. I do have a good f20b crank and rods. hell I got a complete motor maybe ill play around with it and see what it would do . I would rather put a f23 crank in it and build the piss out of it though lol .

Balance shaft kit will work with f series just the same.

civicnick
12-28-2010, 05:21 AM
if i was going to destroke a h it would be using the f20b crank and rods . i dont realy care about reving my car to 10,000 so ill stick with bigger is better lol. I do have a good f20b crank and rods. hell I got a complete motor maybe ill play around with it and see what it would do . I would rather put a f23 crank in it and build the piss out of it though lol .

Balance shaft kit will work with f series just the same.

a f20b would be an awesome turbo setup in a H block. bore it/sleeve it to 88mm put a set of arias pistons in it. 88x88 is almost a 2.2L if i remeber correctly. just gotta get a 55mm main block.

im a all motor guy like jones is, i would much rather put a big stroke crank in a motor and give it tons of compression.

justnprsh07
12-28-2010, 12:17 PM
H22 jones really knows his stuff so I figured I would throw my build in here to sine mike built the block... to begin with I want to say I went through 2 exospeed !tage 5 blocks and you can ask mike what they look like but I will never buy another one but now I got
H22 crank crowe pro rods and wiseco 9:5 pistons
Kaizen speed bal eliminator
Un ported head and stock valves
Crower valve springs and retainers
And crower stg 2 cams
Golden eagle intake mani
Jjspec custom mani
Precision 6765 turbo
And a lot lot more but that internally

Notice the small cams and stock head with stock valves my setup made 520hp on wastegate and pump gas and I havnt even began to turn it up. I just had it tunned by jimmy on that so I could drive it around to put some miles on it and get the rest of the car built to handle the power. For now my goal is to make close to 700 pr more on race gas and high boost and once the car can handle that much power I'm going to get mikes dad to port me a head and do full ferra valvetrain and hant decided on foller rocker setup or going skunk2 pro 2s.... but I guess my point here is same as mikes h22 makes tons of power without a lot of work and would like to see more out there also if you ever get to check out some prodrag cars look at what a lot of them run also research and honda built the h series so they could use them in there race cars in the early 90s

justnprsh07
12-28-2010, 12:19 PM
Also that tune was before I added liquid to air intercooler nitrious and upgrated to aeromotive pump and 1600cc injectors so I hope to push it to 750 but will be ok with 680-700 range

h22 jones
12-29-2010, 12:39 AM
Im just glad your having alot of luck with this motor . I mean this guy spent the money had his motor sent some were and built right he deserved a motor that would make 800hp. i felt so bad for him after seeing how trashed his block was i made him a great deal on my dart block and my crower rods and assembled it for him to try to help him out. I cant stand for somebody to get taken advantage of . Im sure it could have just been something as simple as shavings left in the block from sleeving it but you know that company wasnt going to warrenty it so i helped as much as i could and im sure he appreciates it. i do want to make one thing clear my shop is set up for paint and body (insurance work) and general maintness if you need performance work done call jj at jj spec or mainstream performance . I love hondas and i love building them but its my hobbie not my job. I dont mind helping anybody out that i can thats just the kind of person that i am but i dont pay to advertise on here so advise is all im giving not work so please pm me about working on your car.

justnprsh07
12-29-2010, 10:55 AM
I appreciate it a lot I had almost 10k invested in exospeed blowing 2 blocks and mike helped me out with my third and did a great job and I know he don't do it for a living and isn't looking too advertise and prob don't want to build a lot of motors but if you get him talked into it I would trust him 100% same goes for his dad I know he don't do it for a living either but if you can get him to port you a head he really know what he's doing also and does an awesome job...

Also I want to throw in fully sleeving a h series block is a waste of money as you can ask jimmy at jjspec, dart replacement sleeves are more than enough for the h series block bc they are already closed deck. I know of ppl that have run over 40psi on replacement sleeves... there only like 300 bucks and you don't half to ship it way off and be gone for months... if you use stock blosk shell darton replacement sleeves and have the block copper oringed you can make and easy 900+hp as I've personally talked to ppl that have been doing it for years

justnprsh07
12-29-2010, 11:13 AM
Also for those "thinking" about a balance shaft eliminator. What's there to think about its like 15hp for 150 bucks or for you cheap asses weld up the holes in the oil pump where the bal shafts come out and have a machine shop plug the holes in the block I can even post pics of what the machine shop must do. My personal opinion is that its a must for a h series.

-S Double C-
12-29-2010, 10:51 PM
Im just glad your having alot of luck with this motor . I mean this guy spent the money had his motor sent some were and built right he deserved a motor that would make 800hp. i felt so bad for him after seeing how trashed his block was i made him a great deal on my dart block and my crower rods and assembled it for him to try to help him out. I cant stand for somebody to get taken advantage of . Im sure it could have just been something as simple as shavings left in the block from sleeving it but you know that company wasnt going to warrenty it so i helped as much as i could and im sure he appreciates it. i do want to make one thing clear my shop is set up for paint and body (insurance work) and general maintness if you need performance work done call jj at jj spec or mainstream performance . I love hondas and i love building them but its my hobbie not my job. I dont mind helping anybody out that i can thats just the kind of person that i am but i dont pay to advertise on here so advise is all im giving not work so please pm me about working on your car.

lol where was someone like you when my car blew on jimmy's dyno after spending 17k on the engine,drivetrian and turbo setup alone....lol my fiancee wasnt hearing any of that gotta rebuild my car shit i parted it out and lost 10k...hell that could of been a nice down payment for a house or nice bmw 5 series rsx type s or something. And people (especially these locals) wonder why i gave up and bought a bike? Hell jimmy probably spent literally 24hrs worth of time trying to tune my car with all the problems i was having.

Fox351
12-30-2010, 02:51 PM
Why was your car so hard to tune?

Apex1972
12-30-2010, 08:02 PM
Also for those "thinking" about a balance shaft eliminator. What's there to think about its like 15hp for 150 bucks or for you cheap asses weld up the holes in the oil pump where the bal shafts come out and have a machine shop plug the holes in the block I can even post pics of what the machine shop must do. My personal opinion is that its a must for a h series.

or just take the belt off. i would really like to dyno before and then remove the belt then dyno again just to see. hell free hp is always good.

DarKStaR
12-30-2010, 08:41 PM
Why was your car so hard to tune?
from what i heard, it had alot of "gremlins" everytime they would fix one thing something else wanted to act up.

-S Double C-
12-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Why was your car so hard to tune?

Lets see it sprung about 10 or more fuel leaks. My 4 bar map sensor wouldnt read right and jimmy couldnt figure out the calibrations for it, the omni,hondata,and speedfactory 4 bar calibrations was different. I had to buy a 5 bar aem map sensor. The boost solenoid wasnt working. Turned out my ecu wasnt pined right for it, then turned out my ecu didnt have boost control in it. I had to borrow jimmys hondata s300. Wastegate wasnt going over 11lbs had to buy a new precision one. Once we got to around 450whp (500ish on a dynojet) started having ignition problems anything after 7k. Tryed a different msd box, didnt work, tryed a new msd coil, didnt work, then had to buy another distributor. Jimmy finally was able to start tuning it then i think the return line or something was leaking and he was having to put a quart of oil in it about every 2 hours...When everything started going smooth and he was near thru with it the number 2 rod come through the block due to it have the small bolt eagle rods im guessing. The motor was bought off honda-tech and the dude made 580 on it and used it for 8k. I should have rebuilt it to be safe and etc...but i was impatient i had waited over a year to drive it and spent enough money on it as it was. It only showed 6% on the leak down so it was plenty healthy. It was just a nightmare!!! and i think we used like 10 gallons of q16 which wasnt cheap!!!

Fox351
12-31-2010, 07:50 AM
Oh I see...bro that sucks. Well if you ever decide to get back in the car game you know what not to do I guess. I am thinking about building an H22 integra but probably gonna leave boost out of the equation. What is the difficulty involved in the swap? Is it just mounts and drop in or are there some special tricks you have to know to put it in?

justnprsh07
12-31-2010, 08:59 AM
Well mounts and you must cut a hole in the floor for the shifter... but that's not hard at all, and get a half shaft out of a 90-93 accord manual so you can run gsr axles"there a lot cheaper than buying swap axles" I have a half shaft and shifter assembly if you need one

justnprsh07
12-31-2010, 09:07 AM
I should have rebuilt it to be safe and etc...but i was impatient i had waited over a year to drive

Sean really hit the nail on the head there... I tried to get him to drive it around and get all the bs worked out and put some miles on it but he wanted to "break it in" on the dyno. Anytime you build one to a certain extent your gonna have problems... if not its gotta be slow

112480
01-03-2011, 07:28 AM
So h22 jones, is it possible to get a h2b to make 300WHP AND be a reliable DD??:ninja:

h22 jones
01-03-2011, 11:51 AM
we will soon see .

Apex1972
01-06-2011, 12:42 PM
cant wait to see it.

donek9
01-20-2011, 08:43 PM
h22jones i been tryin to pm you but your inbox is full, if you want just text or give me a call. 478-230-0919 Don

h22 jones
05-24-2011, 10:46 PM
bump

TattooedFish
05-29-2011, 03:31 AM
I am really glad you guys bumped this. I just read all 6 pages and enjoyed all the info.

I was trying to save money before but I think I am going to shell out the extra and go with

h23 crank
type s pistons I really like the sound of that 12.1 compression

I was talking to a fellow member about picking up a set of eagle rods will this work well with the h23 crank/type s or would I want something else?

big mac
05-29-2011, 09:35 AM
alot of good info in here so it has been stickied

h22 jones
05-30-2011, 02:36 AM
As far as i know crower are the only people that make h23 rods and there 760 dollars . I would buy arp rod bolts and stay with stock rods . Alot cheaper and do what your trying to do.

Apex1972
07-21-2011, 10:46 AM
damn not much action in here lately. hey Mike, i still need that gallon of clear dude. i got someone who is gonna hook me up with the paint job so if you can ,please get in touch with me so I can pick it up soon. like by next week. my number is 478 978 2597

h22 jones
07-21-2011, 09:24 PM
Man dont come in a thread on here talking about our business which has nothing to do with this thread .

Apex1972
07-21-2011, 09:45 PM
cant get intouch with yo ass any other way. your PMs are full

big mac
08-30-2011, 12:55 AM
yo mike what a safe redline for h22with types piston and f22 crank and rods?

h22 jones
08-30-2011, 03:10 PM
text me numbers from the dyno and ill tell ya lol. If you have stock rods i would keep it bellow 8,500 but your not going to make power oast 8,000 rpms so doesnt matter . Nemos motor is the only one ive seen make power past 8,000 and thats because it had a h22 crank not h23 . Shift at 7,800-8,000 should give you the best times . if you wanted to try 8,200-8,300 to carry a gear out im sure that would be fine but anything higher then that is a waste of time not going to make power unless you have a hudge head and pro3s . Im still dont think with all the shit i have in my new set up the power will go past 8,200. Ill be estatic if it peaks over 8,000. Big motors normally peak lower . The good part about that is you can make alot of power and it be dependable. If you have to rev your motor to 10,000 to get power out of it odds are its not going to last long but hey they sound good lol.

.blank cd
02-12-2012, 09:08 AM
Need some advice from all the H22 gurus out there...

Want a new manifold. Skunk2 or EuroR/Rosko/Blackworks?

DarKStaR
02-12-2012, 03:54 PM
what is done to the motor? And what are the plans for it? Im partial to a ported stock one. But the Euro R seems to do good on stock motors with good bolts ons. Skunk2 will make a little more than the euro R.

*EFilliated*
02-12-2012, 05:12 PM
i gained 8HP from porting the stock and tuning ofcourse.thats also with stock TB

.blank cd
02-12-2012, 07:13 PM
what is done to the motor? And what are the plans for it? Im partial to a ported stock one. But the Euro R seems to do good on stock motors with good bolts ons. Skunk2 will make a little more than the euro R.

Not much, nor do I have much plans for it. I'd like to barely crack 200. All I have now is a eBay header (plan on swapping that out soon for a hytech/rmf replica or something. Maybe a bisi), an intake, and a chipped p28. It runs incredibly smooth and quiet and that how I wanna keep it. I was planning on a skunk2 manifold/TB, but some people say the power is too high in the RPMs, and the EuroR/Rosko unit is a tad pricey for me. I'd really love to keep its daily drivability too.

I dynoed not too long ago on 3 face racing's dyno at 180/150. The graph was a little wobbly with the smoothing at 5

DarKStaR
02-12-2012, 07:25 PM
Header wise i would stay away from the bisi. I would just get the stock intake manifold ported and remove the iab's. If you havnt got it tuned yet i would deffinatly do that after swapping the header and intake. That should get you around where you want. Make sure your intake piping is atleast 3" and let the exhaust breathe.

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02-12-2012, 07:48 PM
Header wise i would stay away from the bisi. I would just get the stock intake manifold ported and remove the iab's. If you havnt got it tuned yet i would deffinatly do that after swapping the header and intake. That should get you around where you want. Make sure your intake piping is atleast 3" and let the exhaust breathe.

Ok. I've got a Feels intake extension with the stock 3" prelude tube. I didn't do the exhaust but I wanna say its 2.5" and I might open that up to 3" all the way back.

Know anyone that ports stock manifolds?

DarKStaR
02-13-2012, 09:04 AM
3" exhaust would help it out. H22 Jones's dad does port work, heads, intakes, etc...I can pm you his number if you would like. He is located down here in macon.

h22 jones
02-21-2012, 06:10 AM
call my dad 478-935-2966

EssexCounty
10-05-2012, 01:39 PM
Also just to help everybody out a f22 crank and rods is the same part number as a h23 crank and rods they are the same thing so there is you a cheap crank and rods to start your build with .



My question is that the same for an F20A crank and rod.

h22 jones
12-29-2012, 12:48 AM
I'm not sure I even know what the f20 a is honestly but no it didn't have that crank. it can't because it's only a 2.0 liter .

Theycall_Metue
12-29-2012, 10:30 PM
really interested in a h-swap in my project. keep posting! i want more motivations

Ybyav8
01-10-2013, 08:19 AM
This thread is golden....I am located in Greenville sc, about 2 hours away and we dont have any machine shops that will touch an h22 and we have nobody to tune either. I have a stock h22a4 in an ek and love it and my brother in law has a jdm h22a closed deck that just blew the bearings. The main problem people are scared of the h22 is it is hard to just get to run right and the FRM SLEEVES! I finally got the h22a4 to run like a champ on the stock ecu and the s2000 throttle body ( best mod ever to run smooth). I would absolutely love your opinion on a few things.....sleeve replacement and or what can be done with stock frm sleeves. especially which darton sleeves to use and this copper o ring gasket you speak of. Tuning.... what are the ecu requirements that a tuning shop requires for tuning an h22........we have a couple blocks and heads and a load of h22 parts and it would be great if you could give us some advice on where to take this stuff in the atlanta area because we basically want a stock rebuild but our lack of information and resources here are just outweighing our option of getting a b series swap.