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Ruiner

11-09-2005, 08:36 AM

Apparently, this initiative passed yesterday. What a bunch of hippy bullshit.

Initiative ordinance prohibiting the sale, manufacture and distribution of firearms in the City and County of San Francisco, and limiting the possession of handguns in the City and County of San Francisco.

Be it ordained by the People of the City and County of San Francisco:

Section 1. Findings
The people of the City and County of San Francisco hereby find and declare:

Handgun violence is a serious problem in San Francisco. According to a San Francisco Department of Public Health report published in 2002, 176 handgun incidents in San Francisco affected 213 victims in 1999, the last year for which data is available. Only 26.8% of firearms were recovered. Of all firearms used to cause injury or death, 67% were handguns.
San Franciscans have a right to live in a safe and secure City. The presence of handguns poses a significant threat to the safety of San Franciscans.
It is not the intent of the people of the City and County of San Francisco to affect any resident of other jurisdictions with regard to handgun possession, including those who may temporarily be within the boundaries of the City and County.
Article XI of the California Constitution provides Charter created counties with the "home rule" power. This power allows counties to enact laws that exclusively apply to residents within their borders, even when such a law conflicts with state law or when state law is silent. San Francisco adopted its most recent comprehensive Charter revision in 1996.
Since it is not the intent of the people of the City and County of San Francisco to impose an undue burden on inter-county commerce and transit, the provisions of Section 3 apply exclusively to residents of the City and County of San Francisco.
Section 2. Ban on Sale, Manufacture, Transfer or Distribution of Firearms in the City and County of San Francisco
Within the limits of the City and County of San Francisco, the sale, distribution, transfer and manufacture of all firearms and ammunition shall be prohibited.

Section 3. Limiting Handgun Possession in the City and County of San Francisco
Within the limits of the City and County of San Francisco, no resident of the City and County of San Francisco shall possess any handgun unless required for professional purposes, as enumerated herein. Specifically, any City, state or federal employee carrying out the functions of his or her government employment, including but not limited to peace officers as defined by California Penal Code Section 830 et.seq. and animal control officers may possess a handgun. Active members of the United States armed forces or the National Guard and security guards, regularly employed and compensated by a person engaged in any lawful business, while actually employed and engaged in protecting and preserving property or life within the scope of his or her employment, may also possess handguns. Within 90 days from the effective date of this section, any resident of the City and County of San Francisco may surrender his or her handgun at any district station of the San Francisco Police Department, or to the San Francisco Sheriffs Department without penalty under this section.

Section 4. Effective Date
This ordinance shall become effective January 1, 2006.

Section 5. Penalties
Within 90 days of the effective date of this section, the Board of Supervisors shall enact penalties for violations of this ordinance. The Mayor, after consultation with the District Attorney, Sheriff and Chief of Police shall, within 30 days from the effective date, provide recommendations about penalties to the Board.

Section 6. State Law
Nothing in this ordinance is designed to duplicate or conflict with California state law. Accordingly, any person currently denied the privilege of possessing a handgun under state law shall not be covered by this ordinance, but shall be covered by the California state law which denies that privilege. Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to create or require any local license or registration for any firearm, or create an additional class of citizens who must seek licensing or registration.

Section 7. Severability
If any provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstances is held invalid or unconstitutional, such invalidity or unconstitutionality shall not affect other provisions or applications or this ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provision or application. To this end, the provisions of this ordinance shall be deemed severable.

Section 8. Amendment
By a two-thirds vote and upon making findings, the Board of Supervisors may amend this ordinance in the furtherance of reducing handgun violence.

Rican219

11-09-2005, 08:37 AM

BULLSHIT :2up:

malfeas99

11-09-2005, 08:44 AM

Color me surprised.

I guess they felt some violent crime could add some spice and character to the city.

5thgcelica

11-09-2005, 08:53 AM

that suuuucks.

©hris

11-09-2005, 08:54 AM

malfeas99

11-09-2005, 08:58 AM

©hris

11-09-2005, 09:06 AM

just giving my opinion..... thanks

IndianStig

11-09-2005, 09:08 AM

GHEyyyyyyyyyyyyy

san francisco is the most communist area in the US

fucking gay bastards

collins

11-09-2005, 10:56 AM

ok did they forget something about an ammendment to the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION? fuckin ass hats.

Ruiner

11-09-2005, 10:57 AM

1439/2000

11-09-2005, 11:01 AM

Right to keep and bear arms EVEN in the Bay area. Someone will get this overturned.

God

11-09-2005, 11:03 AM

i expect nothing less from commiefornia

RandomGuy

11-09-2005, 11:17 AM

damn thats some crazy shit... how can such a measure be passed when the 2nd amendment states against it clearly wtf?

Also, im sure people can still EASILY get guns... i bet most crimes there aren't even done with legit guns.

HyPer50

11-09-2005, 11:53 AM

Aaaaaand that is one of the reasons why I will never live or want to live in California. What I think is fucking stupid about these bans is they aren't going to affect the criminals... The criminals will still have guns, while the "majority" of gun owners will have to get rid of them... It's just stupid.

Jaimecbr900

11-09-2005, 12:01 PM

Also, im sure people can still EASILY get guns... i bet most crimes there aren't even done with legit guns.

You hit the nail right on the head.

Most of these sissy ass lifer politicians only care about 1 thing....VOTES. The voters complain about "crime" and this is their alleged answer to that....so they can be perceived as doing "something" about crime. They could care less about any other numbers. That's obvious because it has long been proven by a ton of impartial scientific studies that CRIMINALS only really FEAR one thing.......getting shot by someone they are criminalizing. They FEAR this by a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGG shot over #2, which ironically enough is getting bit by an attack dog..... ;) Even more ironic is that JAIL is not the #1 thing they fear.

So, that's absolutely brilliant way of thinking. Take away the one thing CRIMINALS really truly fear in the name of making all the LAW ABIDING people "safe"..... :jerkit: Brilliant. As if the CRIMINAL gives 2 flying fucks about what the "LAW" is and isn't.... :rolleyes: By definition, a CRIMINAL is a CRIMINAL because he/she DOESN'T follow the LAW. So WHO is going to be affected by "LAWS"????? LAW ABIDING people ONLY......Brilliant, huh?

Jaimecbr900

11-09-2005, 12:18 PM

good. Who needs a gun in San Fran? If u need a gun for protection, u obviously pissed off some people. Your not gonna pop any deer walking accross the Golden Gate. And if u just wanna be cool, go buy a BB gun that looks real........... then again i dont own any guns so, i really dont care lol

That's exactly the reason, John Q Public allows such brutally assenine ideas to even begin to fester, let alone PASS into "laws".

People that think just like you are the very reason why Politicians get away with stretching the Constitution of the United States into whatever shape THEY today feel is right.

It's amazing to me how ignorant the majority of the general public is about where "crime" truly comes from. A "gun" is an inanimate object. It will sit fully loaded and fully HARMLESS until eternity until some PERSON touches it. Millions of MORE people are killed by CARS than guns. Taking away those too, in the name of "safety"???? People were burned alive during the Salem witchhunts of the previous Century. Taking away FIRE in the name of "safety"???? Idiotic isn't it? About as idiotic as saying the GUNS kill people. No geniuses.....PEOPLE kill people. With cars, shovels, axes, rocks, knives, and sometimes GUNS..... :rolleyes:

So let's get this straight.....take away something our CONSTITUTION gives everyone the RIGHT to have, in the name of doing "something" about crime???? It even sounds absurd to even type it, let alone put into action. What's next? Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Right to Vote......WHERE do you draw the line? They are all RIGHTS provided by the CONSTITUTION, aren't they? How is one any greater than the other???

So you go ahead and sit back and laugh and say it doesn't bother you because YOU don't own a gun. Keep sitting on your hands and having a cavalier attitude that if it doesn't affect you, it's not EVER gonna. Keep thinking that. I guess you will only care when they take away something YOU do have, huh????

This issue has exponentially greater concentric circles it will affect. They will NEVER be able to take 100% of the guns away from ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. It's like sticking a single finger in the preverbial leaky dam. IT will NOT work. You plug one leak, a bigger one will follow. You take away the guns from LAW ABIDING citizens and then the CRIMINALS will flourish unchecked. Look at what happened during PROHIBITION.......need I say more???? CRIMINALS will ALWAYS have a way to get what THEY need. LEGAL or NOT. They are CRIMINALS after all. Instead of a weak weed killer on a single leaf of a big ass tree....why not try and rip the tree out by the roots??? Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is that same thing. A band-aid on gash. Won't ever work.

The only people that are buying into this way of thinking are the ill informed and the one's that "don't care because it doesn't matter to them because they don't own guns"........

Keep it up. Yall are doing a great job in letting politicians take away everything piece by piece unchecked.

Every single politician that would remotely endorse this kind of action will automatically and irrevocably lose MY VOTE, period. Nothing else to discuss.

malfeas99

11-09-2005, 12:19 PM

Right to keep and bear arms EVEN in the Bay area. Someone will get this overturned.

I wouldn't be so sure. Washington D.C. is the same way, I believe, and has been for some time.

RandomGuy

11-09-2005, 12:19 PM

we know we're safe here though... lol with all this down south mentality and shit, there is NO WAY something like that would get passed down 'hurr'.

malfeas99

11-09-2005, 12:23 PM

That's exactly the reason, John Q Public allows such brutally assenine ideas to even begin to fester, let alone PASS into "laws".

People that think just like you are the very reason why Politicians get away with stretching the Constitution of the United States into whatever shape THEY today feel is right.

It's amazing to me how ignorant the majority of the general public is about where "crime" truly comes from. A "gun" is an inanimate object. It will sit fully loaded and fully HARMLESS until eternity until some PERSON touches it.

So let's get this straight.....take away something our CONSTITUTION gives everyone the RIGHT to have, in the name of doing "something" about crime???? It even sounds absurd to even type it, let alone put into action. What's next? Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Right to Vote......WHERE do you draw the line? They are all RIGHTS provided by the CONSTITUTION, aren't they? How is one any greater than the other???

So you go ahead and sit back and laugh and say it doesn't bother you because YOU don't own a gun. Keep sitting on your hands and having a cavalier attitude that if it doesn't affect you, it's not EVER gonna. Keep thinking that. I guess you will only care when they take away something YOU do have, huh????

This issue has exponentially greater concentric circles it will affect. They will NEVER be able to take 100% of the guns away from ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. It's like sticking a single finger in the preverbial leaky dam. IT will NOT work. You plug one leak, a bigger one will follow. You take away the guns from LAW ABIDING citizens and then the CRIMINALS will flourish unchecked. Look at what happened during PROHIBITION.......need I say more???? CRIMINALS will ALWAYS have a way to get what THEY need. LEGAL or NOT. They are CRIMINALS after all. Instead of a weak weed killer on a single leaf of a big ass tree....why not try and rip the tree out by the roots??? Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is that same thing. A band-aid on gash. Won't ever work.

The only people that are buying into this way of thinking are the ill informed and the one's that "don't care because it doesn't matter to them because they don't own guns"........

Keep it up. Yall are doing a great job in letting politicians take away everything piece by piece unchecked.

Every single politician that would remotely endorse this kind of action will automatically and irrevocably lose MY VOTE, period. Nothing else to discuss.

Probably shouldn't waste your keystrokes, people like this are apathetic and ignorant because they want to be, not from some unfortunate cruel twist of fate.

What this hoser and everyone like him who says 'lol doesn't matter to me I don't own guns' doesn't realize is part of the reason he is safer in HIS house is because his NEIGHBOR, somewhere a couple houses down, has a loaded 20-gauge or a 9mm for home protection.

Criminals don't like having to break into a home not knowing whether they'll get shot.

In England, where there are virtually no guns in private hands (unless, of course, you're a politician or good friends with one), 50% of home break-ins are 'hot', meaning that someone is home when a criminal trespasses. Here, in the US, it's about 15%. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why: ENGLISH CRIMINALS DO NOT FEAR ENGLISH CITIZENS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL NOT BE ARMED.

Jaimecbr900

11-09-2005, 12:25 PM

we know we're safe here though... lol with all this down south mentality and shit, there is NO WAY something like that would get passed down 'hurr'.

Again, don't be so sure.

Look just a few posts above you. An ill adviced sympathizer front and center. 1 can easily turn into 2 then turn into 10 then into 1000.

California was actually started by gun toting pioneers and gun toting Indians hundreds of years ago. Now suddenly, California is in the liberal fore front of "gun control". Why do you think that is?

Trust me, it can happen anywhere. The more states keep passing stupid ass laws like this, the easier it is for other states to follow.

carrascopa

11-09-2005, 12:27 PM

holy long posts batman

Ruiner

11-09-2005, 01:48 PM

I wouldn't be so sure. Washington D.C. is the same way, I believe, and has been for some time.

Just look at a little blurb about Washington, D.C...

Gun control and crime
In 1976, Washington, D.C., instituted one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. The murder rate since that time has risen 134 percent (77.8 per 100,000 population) while the overall rate for the country has declined 2 percent. Washington, D.C., politicians find it easy to blame Virginia’s less-stringent gun laws for the D.C. murder rate. Yet Virginia Beach, Virginia’s largest city with almost 400,000 residents, has had one of the lowest rates of murder in the country — 4.1 per 100,000.

Jaimecbr900

11-09-2005, 02:57 PM

Just look at a little blurb about Washington, D.C...

Gun control and crime
In 1976, Washington, D.C., instituted one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. The murder rate since that time has risen 134 percent (77.8 per 100,000 population) while the overall rate for the country has declined 2 percent. Washington, D.C., politicians find it easy to blame Virginia’s less-stringent gun laws for the D.C. murder rate. Yet Virginia Beach, Virginia’s largest city with almost 400,000 residents, has had one of the lowest rates of murder in the country — 4.1 per 100,000.

Yet there are still people who believe wholeheartedly that gun control is the magic answer to "crime". :rolleyes:

IndianStig

11-09-2005, 04:17 PM

2nd amendment, i know right
as soon as i posted my first post i was telling the kid next too me about it

i should tell my hist teacher, hel will be pissed as hell

we just did con law

redlinenprelude

11-09-2005, 06:53 PM

thats retarded.. mad gays with guns are scuuury

SniperJoe

11-09-2005, 08:36 PM

Remember guys, a gun isn't a weapon, it's a tool, like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, or an alligator...

RandomGuy

11-09-2005, 10:08 PM

Remember guys, a gun isn't a weapon, it's a tool, like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, or an alligator...
your a tool

RutRoe

11-10-2005, 12:50 AM

SniperJoe

11-11-2005, 05:54 AM

your a tool

Obviously, pop culture references are lost on you and as such, you prefer to insult people when they are making a joke. Kudos to you sir, and kudos again.

Jaimecbr900

11-11-2005, 08:35 AM

What's funny to me is when some of you guys loose it at people.

The only problem that I have with stuff like this is that when you guys all loose it on someone, all you do is encourage a stereotype of "all gun people are crazy" Do I agree? Of course not. Do I think people need to have machine guns at the house just in case, not really, but not my call.

I have just sort of changed my thoughts recently in how we as a country talk about politics, and no one ever wins unless someone takes the time to educate people about the pros and cons of stuff, otherwise no one will ever change their mind or really get anywhere when they talk about stuff.

that's just me though... San Fran sure is a pretty town though.

Complacency is what has granted fuel to the gun control fire.

When someone makes an asenine statement like, "I don't care, I don't have one, so it doesn't affect me..." it lends credibility by default because that person's ONLY real power (a vote) is lost to being complacent. That allows for the ill adviced lifetime politicians, who's only real concern is figuring out how to STAY in office for another term, to say "see, I was right...people DO want gun control..."

What many people don't realize is that gun control, censorship, and the like are mere ever ascending steps that slowly but surely make people MORE dependent on gov't and less on themselves.

You wouldn't like it if the debate was about censorship of sports programming, would you? There have been HUGE debates about censorship of the "press" and music lately. What has been the consensus there? People, probably rightly so, were furious and up in arms (no pun intended) about it. Why? Because of the same exact reason people like me are upset about the increasing idiocy of gun control......because it is attempting to take away a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, period. Keeping someone from their right to keep and bear arms is no different than censoring the media or the press and keeping them from their freedom of speech.

Besides, remember that on the internet "feelings" are hard to portray. I and many others are in fact trying to educate people that are being given completely incorrect information. If they want to debate, we'll debate. If they want to discuss it like this, we will do that as well.

Like I said, wear the shoes. If the powers-that-be were full steam ahead trying to censor media to the extent it involved you........how would you feel about it? Compound that when those powers-that-be are gaining ground using FALSE information. Would you be too happy about it???? ;)

RISKYB

11-11-2005, 12:11 PM

i guess the constitution has become meaningless....???????

EG BTER

11-11-2005, 12:17 PM

thats gay as hell, do they really expect people to just turn in their guns to the police