Hey BP again

[blaknoize]

Hey BP,

Lets use Nuclear Weapons to close a leak. YEA!!! Thats what we'll do. And detonate it BELOW the seafloor and kill off everything else down there while we're at it. FUK YEA!!!
(But what about conventional explosives or mutliple conventional explosives? "What are those?" We like to kill things douche, fuk being aqua friendly.)

Yea I posted something in fuking post #20 since people wanna take my post off topic, u douche bottles, nozzles and nuggets.

[Elbow]

It's been done before successfully...

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Yeah they just can't win with that idea...

[Elbow]

^Your sig is retarded as hell. It makes no sense.

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^Your sig is retarded as hell. It makes no sense.

You're retarded as hell and make no sense

[Got Milk?]

^^^

What does your signature represent? I know the BP spill, but why is obama in the can? Doesn't make sense.

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^^^

What does your signature represent? I know the BP spill, but why is obama in the can? Doesn't make sense.

I hate obama and they have tried everything else so lets try using him. He is full of lies and ego so he may work

[Echonova]

Obama can plug the pipe.


Stern warnings and harsh criticism can perform miracles, or so I hear.

[Got Milk?]

I hate obama and they have tried everything else so lets try using him. He is full of lies and ego so he may work

ohh dang, now makes sense. cool signature, lolol now i find it funny.

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ohh dang, now makes sense. cool signature, lolol now i find it funny.

lol

[FasTech]

Holy fucking shit am I tired of hearing about this. Yes, I feel really bad that countless of inoccent fish, octopussy, etc etc are being killed but people wanna throw a damn cow over this, but not over many of the other horrilbe things that happen day to day. Really? You got people losing there home's due to the over cost of living, I mean.. people with children, and god for bid.. there ANIMALS.. getting kicked into the streets because they can't pay the bills because everything cost so damn much. Maybe they lost there jobs, like the 3276512096510296531-92653 of other people. I know, the issue has been addressed but I don't ever cut on the tv or see anything on the internet really anymore with people fighting it or making it a big deal. Thats not even half the BS shit that goes on in the this, so called beautiful AMERICA. I'm really just running off at the mouth, but damn I'm tired or hearing about it. Its done and nothing will ever change the fact it happened. Burn it out, do whatever but quit having a brand new subject about it everyday on how BP is a piece of shit.. or "wow, we found a dead sea horse today people"... lets cry and put it all over the internet and tv.

[Elbow]

Holy fucking shit am I tired of hearing about this. Yes, I feel really bad that countless of inoccent fish, octopussy, etc etc are being killed but people wanna throw a damn cow over this, but not over many of the other horrilbe things that happen day to day. Really? You got people losing there home's due to the over cost of living, I mean.. people with children, and god for bid.. there ANIMALS.. getting kicked into the streets because they can't pay the bills because everything cost so damn much. Maybe they lost there jobs, like the 3276512096510296531-92653 of other people. I know, the issue has been addressed but I don't ever cut on the tv or see anything on the internet really anymore with people fighting it or making it a big deal. Thats not even half the BS shit that goes on in the this, so called beautiful AMERICA. I'm really just running off at the mouth, but damn I'm tired or hearing about it. Its done and nothing will ever change the fact it happened. Burn it out, do whatever but quit having a brand new subject about it everyday on how BP is a piece of shit.. or "wow, we found a dead sea horse today people"... lets cry and put it all over the internet and tv.

Wow...are you THAT stupid? Oil spills are only big because we feel bad for the animals????? :thinking::thinking::thinking:

The stupidity in this thread is TRULY amazing on a whole new level. Especially the Obama thing. If you want to point fingers at a president I guess it's Bush's groups fault for ending strict guidelines to allow easier drilling.

[bowdown201]

Holy fucking shit am I tired of hearing about this. Yes, I feel really bad that countless of inoccent fish, octopussy, etc etc are being killed but people wanna throw a damn cow over this, but not over many of the other horrilbe things that happen day to day. Really? You got people losing there home's due to the over cost of living, I mean.. people with children, and god for bid.. there ANIMALS.. getting kicked into the streets because they can't pay the bills because everything cost so damn much. Maybe they lost there jobs, like the 3276512096510296531-92653 of other people. I know, the issue has been addressed but I don't ever cut on the tv or see anything on the internet really anymore with people fighting it or making it a big deal. Thats not even half the BS shit that goes on in the this, so called beautiful AMERICA. I'm really just running off at the mouth, but damn I'm tired or hearing about it. Its done and nothing will ever change the fact it happened. Burn it out, do whatever but quit having a brand new subject about it everyday on how BP is a piece of shit.. or "wow, we found a dead sea horse today people"... lets cry and put it all over the internet and tv.

You sir....are a fucking moron

[BanginJimmy]

The stupidity in this thread is TRULY amazing on a whole new level.



If you want to point fingers at a president I guess it's Bush's groups fault for ending strict guidelines to allow easier drilling.

hmmm. Do I detect a bit of irony?


After a year and a half, everything bad is still all Bush's fault. Obviously is couldnt be Obama's fault though. He is the messiah sent here to bring this country to the wonderful world of socialism.

[oneSLOWex]

hmmm. Do I detect a bit of irony?


After a year and a half, everything bad is still all Bush's fault. Obviously is couldnt be Obama's fault though. He is the messiah sent here to bring this country to the wonderful world of socialism.

Continuing to blame stuff on someone else is much easier than fixing the problems I guess.

[SoLJames95]

Holy fucking shit am I tired of hearing about this. Yes, I feel really bad that countless of inoccent fish, octopussy, etc etc are being killed but people wanna throw a damn cow over this, but not over many of the other horrilbe things that happen day to day. Really? You got people losing there home's due to the over cost of living, I mean.. people with children, and god for bid.. there ANIMALS.. getting kicked into the streets because they can't pay the bills because everything cost so damn much. Maybe they lost there jobs, like the 3276512096510296531-92653 of other people. I know, the issue has been addressed but I don't ever cut on the tv or see anything on the internet really anymore with people fighting it or making it a big deal. Thats not even half the BS shit that goes on in the this, so called beautiful AMERICA. I'm really just running off at the mouth, but damn I'm tired or hearing about it. Its done and nothing will ever change the fact it happened. Burn it out, do whatever but quit having a brand new subject about it everyday on how BP is a piece of shit.. or "wow, we found a dead sea horse today people"... lets cry and put it all over the internet and tv.

Animals are being killed and thats not important. :rolleyes:, but this is causing poeple to lose there business and jobs............... and if you really want to think outside the box. This stuff is broadcasted through the world. If there was to be a plot for a terroist attack on this country im pretty sure the Oil refinery is looking pretty good right now in there eyes. Why you ask.... hmmmm lets see BP is just one of the oil rigs out there and that was just one particular unit. Imagine a couple of those being hit or alot at one time. You thought America paniced from one little one. Pssssshhh It will be like 9/11 but with less casualties and more consquences. You can replace buildings, but oil is a natural resource, and alot of everday things use oil.(gas,plastics, etc...) We cant even stop one line for at least estimated 3 months; how long will a couple of lines take, God knows what WE WOULD DO THEN.............................................. .........

So please think before you speak. ;)

[blaknoize]

Holy fucking shit am I tired of hearing about this. Yes, I feel really bad that countless of inoccent fish, octopussy, etc etc are being killed but people wanna throw a damn cow over this, but not over many of the other horrilbe things that happen day to day. Really? You got people losing there home's due to the over cost of living, I mean.. people with children, and god for bid.. there ANIMALS.. getting kicked into the streets because they can't pay the bills because everything cost so damn much. Maybe they lost there jobs, like the 3276512096510296531-92653 of other people. I know, the issue has been addressed but I don't ever cut on the tv or see anything on the internet really anymore with people fighting it or making it a big deal. Thats not even half the BS shit that goes on in the this, so called beautiful AMERICA. I'm really just running off at the mouth, but damn I'm tired or hearing about it. Its done and nothing will ever change the fact it happened. Burn it out, do whatever but quit having a brand new subject about it everyday on how BP is a piece of shit.. or "wow, we found a dead sea horse today people"... lets cry and put it all over the internet and tv.


I'm talking about the nuclear weapon here guy. Although it has been used before, I'm stating the fact that using that type rather than a conventional set of explosives. No need for radation poisoning everything we may directly or indirectly consume. Though I do not like the fact that Halliburton had a contract to close the leak, I think this is just a coverup for the soon to start Iran war.

[The Ninja]

hmmm. Do I detect a bit of irony?


After a year and a half, everything bad is still all Bush's fault. Obviously is couldnt be Obama's fault though. He is the messiah sent here to bring this country to the wonderful world of socialism.

So Obama was put into office to fix all of the shit Bush fucked up? Or was he put in office to struggle with the mess while keeping as many of the sheeple happy while corporations continue to run this country.

Fuck a Legislative branch, fuck a Judicial branch, and fuck an Executive branch. The 3 real branches of the gov't are Corporations, the Military, and Hollywood. Corporations for the $$$, Military so they can't fuck with our $$$, and Hollywood/Media to keep you all distracted from whats actually being done. lol

[BanginJimmy]

So Obama was put into office to fix all of the shit Bush fucked up? Or was he put in office to struggle with the mess while keeping as many of the sheeple happy while corporations continue to run this country.

Obama himself said he was going to fix washington. The reality of it is that he has done all of the bad things washington is known for and nothing positive. Not a single person in this contry is better off with Obama at the helm and many millions of us are worse off. National debt is out of control and the US is quickly heading in Greece's direction. No leadership at all on the illegals pouring into the country. No leadship, but plenty of finger pointing, on the gulf oil mess, MASSIVE new, unpaid for, entitlements. I can go on and on about what Obama is fucking up.

Why dont you name a single positive thing he has done in his 16 or so months.

[blaknoize]

Obama himself said he was going to fix washington. The reality of it is that he has done all of the bad things washington is known for and nothing positive. Not a single person in this contry is better off with Obama at the helm and many millions of us are worse off. National debt is out of control and the US is quickly heading in Greece's direction. No leadership at all on the illegals pouring into the country. No leadship, but plenty of finger pointing, on the gulf oil mess, MASSIVE new, unpaid for, entitlements. I can go on and on about what Obama is fucking up.

Why dont you name a single positive thing he has done in his 16 or so months.

Excuse me, this is a post about BP and nuclear weapons. Not Obama and Bush.

But while we're speaking of these things. Bush (the War President) that found WMD's in countries that possessed no WMD's (that we still haven't found, would u believe) and lead us to believe we are releasing a country from struggles of life and also a country that has not attacked America in its history; as a terrioristic country set this all up. Clearly we are fighting for Oil and not for the reasons that we were all told in the beginning. Dragging all of us into a false war for his pockets (and others, corps and hedge funds.)

Regardless of the policies originally posted in Obama's election speech and the strive for revolution within the walls of our system. A man can only do what the people allow him. We asked for change, he is trying to change things, now we are all crying over the new set of ideals based either solely from his mind or based upon examples of other countries systems. We all want instant gratification and quick fixes, not commitment.

Back to Bush. Wasnt our original enemy Afganistan (forgive my spelling)? We know Osama and his crew were within that particular countries borders (couldn't seem to find the person responsible for 2700 deaths and taking down 2 landmarks in America and them somehow detroying WTC building #7). Werent we sent to resolve our original conflict? Please tell me how we ended up in Iraq or how Saddam had WMD's later in the years of Bush's Presidency but however, in the beginning, Saddam was of no threat. And why the fuk we are there fighting for a lie and not the truth? I mean, as a regular person, not emotionally stressed, I see a glare coming off of this whole situation.

If Obama is at fault for trying to clear issues in the country, then he is. But you cannot blame him for the mockery that we are involved and fully committed to now that Bush has had his time in office and fun with our $$. Whether Obama fixes this or not we now have to stand up as a country of people, not a bunch of scared bitches and resolve our issues abroad and at home. Common sense should tell a reasonable person that we are battling for nothing but Oil.

Chalk all this blame game crap u "political" people spit. Obama is in office because we elected him to clean up, he cant clean up because we the people are denying his ideas, probably because we are actually scared of change. Obama therefore will not be able to accomplish much of anything without cheating like the Bush Admin did. Like passing a bill attached to another bill and renaming or shuffling it into a cluster of other bills thought up in the late PM hours, passing in the early AM hours.

We elected Bush (actually Gore till Fox said no) for whatever reason, we got hit, we fought back. Completed (supposedly, u remember that announcement, on a ship by Bush and the banner stating "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED." We never found Osama, we killed Saddam, now we're killing people for Oil and calling is a revolution for their country, occupying THEIR country, taking THEIR land, killing THEIR innocent and hating THEM for fighting us.

I was up to join the USAF and declined because I didnt want to murder people based on a lie from our leader blaming people for things they never did and creating a hostile environment for their children and creating hatred for Americans because we're fuking morons fighting for things that we arent actually fighting for.

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Holy shit this Thread went political fast lol
Yeah if you think the oil spill isn't a big matter then you should try living in Louisiana then say that.
It has ruined their way of life almost as bad as Katrina did.
Animals,Jobs,environment is depleting daily on the coast of the gulf.
If Obama really was a Man of his words and for his country he would fix this shit or make it priority #1 on his list.
Bush did fuck a lot of stuff up for us but he isn't the one who made promises to fix it and hasn't done shit.

[blaknoize]

^isnt this JDMJay? Yea I can agree on that fact, at least in relation to the clean up. He is acting like Bush in that fact. Seems no one like Louisana. I suppose these men havent met a fine foxy woman from Baton Rouge in their lives.

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^isnt this JDMJay? Yea I can agree on that fact, at least in relation to the clean up. He is acting like Bush in that fact. Seems no one like Louisana. I suppose these men havent met a fine foxy woman from Baton Rouge in their lives.

Yes JdmJay lol
Yeah i guess everytime something happens to Louisiana the Government says eh fuck it , things just won't change..,

[BanginJimmy]

Excuse me, this is a post about BP and nuclear weapons. Not Obama and Bush.

Talk to the one that brought Obama up about that one. I am simply stating fact.


But while we're speaking of these things. Bush (the War President) that found WMD's in countries that possessed no WMD's (that we still haven't found, would u believe)

Aint hindsight grand. I bet we can find many thousands of bad decisions by presidents when we use it. Look at the facts AT THAT TIME. Saddam was using gas on the kurds. He was threatening to use them on Americans and on Israel.



and lead us to believe we are releasing a country from struggles of life

And we have done that. The biggest obstacle we had their was foreign fighters, not Iraqis. You can also add the fact that Iran was supplying them with weapons and intel the entire time.



and also a country that has not attacked America in its history;

And that means they were absolutely no threat to us right? Germany has never attacked the US either so I guess you think we should have stayed out of Europe during the '40's.



as a terrioristic country set this all up.

Iran, Iraq and Asscrackistan are/were terrorist countries. There is absolutely no way to deny that.



Clearly we are fighting for Oil and not for the reasons that we were all told in the beginning. Dragging all of us into a false war for his pockets (and others, corps and hedge funds.)

Got any proof of this Mr. Jones?



Regardless of the policies originally posted in Obama's election speech and the strive for revolution within the walls of our system. A man can only do what the people allow him. We asked for change, he is trying to change things, now we are all crying over the new set of ideals based either solely from his mind or based upon examples of other countries systems. We all want instant gratification and quick fixes, not commitment.

but he is forcing unwanted changes on everyone outside the beltway. Healthcare, cap and trade, emissions, you name it. The only things he hasnt changed are the backroom deals and bribery that is so prevalent in Washington. According to Pelosi, Reid and Obama, we were going to see a new era of transparancy in Washington, have you ever seen a more secretive Admin ever? How about no lobbiests? Well, that made it almost into Dec. 08 before that just wouldnt do anymore. I could go on, but you get the point.


Back to Bush. Wasnt our original enemy Afganistan (forgive my spelling)? We knows Osama and his crew were within that particular countries borders? Werent we sent to resolve our original conflict? Please tell me how we ended up in Iraq or how Saddam had WMD's later in the years of Bush's Presidency but however, in the beginning, Saddam was of no threat. And why the fuk we are there fighting for a lie and not the truth.

Please tun off MSNBC, its rotting what little brain you have. Bin Laden was completely off the radar in Asscrackistan and at the same time Saddam was acting up. You liberals are constantly talking about human rights, yet conveniently ignore the massive human rights violations in Iraq before we went there.



If Obama is at fault for trying to clear issues in the country, then he is.

Obama is at fault for compounding all of the issues we have. He hasnt attempted to do anything but grow the govt into every aspect of business and our personal lives. And again, he hasnt cleared anything up.



But you cannot blame him for the mockery that we are involved and fully committed to now that Bush has had his time in office and fun with our $$.

If anyone is going crazy with the credit card it is Obama. Bush's largest deficit was about 420B, Obama's first budget weighs in at around 1.4T in deficit spending. I dont count 08-09 budget because no one president is responsible for it. 4x the deficit in a single year. At this pace by the time Obama is out of office we will have added more in 4 years of Obaam than 8 years of Bush. Want to re-examine your comments about who is playing loose with your money?


Whether Obama fixes this or not we now have to stand up as a country of people, not a bunch of scared bitches and resolve our issues abroad and at home.

Funny, liberals held the exact opposite point of view while Bush was in office. Hypocrisy knows no bounds within the liberal brain.



Common sense should tell a reasonable person that we are battling for nothing but Oil.

Common sense says you have none.


Chalk all this blame game crap u "political" people spit.

Has Obama done aything BUT blame others for his failures?



Obama is in office because we elected him to clean up,

I agree with you there. A more educated electorate would have known he wasnt the right person to do it though.



he cant clean up because we the people are denying his ideas, probably because we are actually scared of change.

Change for the sake of change is not a good thing in ANY context. Every change he is pushing hurts the country as a whole. Yes, I actually am scared of his vision for this country. I'm simply not a fan of massive taxes, low quality health care, govt mandates on every facet of my life and on and on.



Obama therefore will not be able to accomplish much of anything without cheating like the Bush Admin did.

But what happened to changing Washinton? Let me guess, its ok because he isnt Bush or a republican right?

BTW, where did Bush cheat? I believe the cheater was Clinton.



Like passing a bill attached to another bill and renaming or shuffling it into a cluster of other bills thought up in the late PM hours, passing in the early AM hours.

That is simply our bass ackwards political system. Highly partisan in all aspects and it has only gotten worse since Obama got into office.


We elected Bush (actually Gore till Fox said no)

Actually it was Bush. In this country we have a thing called the electoral college. I dont like the way it is configured, but oh well.



for whatever reason, we got hit, we fought back.

We got hit because a sect of a religion thinks all americans should be dead.



Completed (supposedly, u remember that announcement, on a ship by Bush and the banner stating "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."

The plan for after the war phase was truely pathetic. The blame for that starts with the Joint Chiefs and ends with the President.



We never found Osama,

If you had ever been to asscrackistan you would know why. We could have used 10 divisions and we would have never found him with anything but pure luck.



now we're killing people for Oil and calling is a revolution for their country, occupying THEIR country, taking THEIR land, killing THEIR innocent and hating THEM for fighting us.

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Would you like a tissue?

If you would like some facts though, you might want to stay off the highly liberal stations. Iraqi's are killing their own civilians. It was mainly foreign fighters armed and equipped by Iran that was targeting Americans.


I was up to join the USAF and declined because I didnt want to murder people based on a lie from our leader blaming people for things they never did and creating a hostile environment for their children and creating hatred for Americans because we're fuking morons fighting for things that we arent actually fighting for.

You really go believe anything John Kerry, Chris Mathews and the rest of the hardcore liberals say dont you? You even use the same key words they do. You really should take a look at the real world. Every third world country hates the US because we are better than them. They are jealous of our freedoms, they are jealous of our wealth. Dont get it confused to be anymore than that. You really should have been around in the Vietnam era. You would ahve fit in perfectly with the hippies and the military bashers and the rest of those pussies.

[blaknoize]

Gore won the Presidency in the electoral votes. It was displayed on TV by all networks but Fox. I dont have other random networks flooding my little mind (even though i didnt try to degrade your knowledge) I watch all, read and research as best as I know how.

What other reason would we have in Iraq if it wasnt for its large supply of oil that is in that country. U can rebrand any type of people to make them your enemy and make anyone who speaks out against the regular tide an idiot. Like myself. But regardless, we are over there for Oil and $$. We need it, we take it. I'm not liberal or whatever other name is given to people involved in the political game. We're fighting for oil, protecting our oil fields we now control and are continuing to pacify the enemy.

I do not understand how it is Obama's fault for compounding our issues here. The mention of the change for the sake of change is due to the fact that this countries way of operation needs either a "tune" or "overhaul" or complete rebuild. We obviously cant rebuild as society grows on itself overtime. But what is set in motion can at least be tuned. Obama's plans and dreams were very very vast and maybe a few we're ridiculus (like how we all plan our lives before we attend college, or kids who wanna be something when they grow up). But Obama doesnt have 10-15yrs to get there. So some of these ideas seem completely retarded since we never seem to embrace ideas of other people that conflict indirectly with our own well-being.

U believe what the non-liberals tell you, why cant anyone else believe what someone else says. U assumed I listen and watch only liberal networks and coverage and just follow like a sheep or something. The common sense (like the people before me who revolted against the Vietnam War that u seem to call hippies and whatever else) made a better choice for the sake of our lives because that war became pointless.

But u seem to be such a well-versed man thats gone beyond the need. What do u believe we are in Iraq of all places for? What does Iraq have that we want or need? I know its not technology, I know its not due to its beautiful landscaping or political influence. Seems that that part of the country has the what, 2nd largest oil field in the world.

And it would be worth it to put 100k plus men and women in Afganistan to find someone that killed 2700 Americans. U obviously didnt lose a member of your family or something in that event. He is the major "Terrorist" in this whole issue and we just let him go and America was made to forget who actually started it and blame it on random people in Iraq. it doesnt matter how many fukin caves and places he could hide, he killed us, rid the planet of him. Also, for some reason, after the FAA cancelled all air traffic, somehow the White House gave the Bin Ladens flight permission to leave the country although the rest of the country was at a standstill.

Database error forced me to just hurry up this reply, sorry for double posts

[Browning151]

I do not understand how it is Obama's fault for compounding our issues here. The mention of the change for the sake of change is due to the fact that this countries way of operation needs either a "tune" or "overhaul" or complete rebuild. We obviously cant rebuild as society grows on itself overtime. But what is set in motion can at least be tuned. Obama's plans and dreams were very very vast and maybe a few we're ridiculus (like how we all plan our lives before we attend college, or kids who wanna be something when they grow up). But Obama doesnt have 10-15yrs to get there. So some of these ideas seem completely retarded since we never seem to embrace ideas of other people that conflict indirectly with our own well-being.

How is it NOT his fault for compounding our issues? His, Pelosi and Reid's devisive and shady politics, backroom deals and blatant bribery are dividing the country. He's adding to our debt at an alarming rate and shows no signs of slowing down, pushing legislation that the majority of Americans do not want, proposing more regulation and control of every part of our life. How is that not making an already bad situation worse? You can't regulate your way out of everything, that is a very slippery slope.

[BanginJimmy]

Gore won the Presidency in the electoral votes. It was displayed on TV by all networks but Fox. I dont have other random networks flooding my little mind (even though i didnt try to degrade your knowledge) I watch all, read and research as best as I know how.

Well since it was displayed on a ticker line on TV is MUST be true. There is no possible way the exit polls could have been slightly off in a VERY close state.

Gore was granted a hand recount in Florida but he fought it as he only wanted certain districts recounted. I'll give you 1 guess as to which way those districts lean.


What other reason would we have in Iraq if it wasnt for its large supply of oil that is in that country. U can rebrand any type of people to make them your enemy and make anyone who speaks out against the regular tide an idiot. Like myself. But regardless, we are over there for Oil and $$. We need it, we take it. I'm not liberal or whatever other name is given to people involved in the political game. We're fighting for oil, protecting our oil fields we now control and are continuing to pacify the enemy.

If we were there just for oil we would also be in Iran. They have committed countless verifiable acts of war against the US and they have just as much oil as Iraq does.


I do not understand how it is Obama's fault for compounding our issues here. The mention of the change for the sake of change is due to the fact that this countries way of operation needs either a "tune" or "overhaul" or complete rebuild. We obviously cant rebuild as society grows on itself overtime.

It is Obama's fault because he is sitting in the office and these are all his ideas. Why should be overhaul the best health care in the world? What are we going to overhaul it to? Inferior care like that in the UK and Canada, both of which are cutting services to save money? We are also overhauling our entire economy to make the govt the central figure in it. Ever since the govt got its hands into education it has gotten increasingly worse. Why should we expect things to be different this time around?

Why isnt the govt taking the time to overhaul the things that dont work, like entitlement programs, social security and medicare?




So some of these ideas seem completely retarded

Well we do agree on something.



since we never seem to embrace ideas of other people that conflict indirectly with our own well-being.

Why should we want something that conflicts with our own well being?



U believe what the non-liberals tell you,

I believe in common sense. Common sense tells me that if you force a company to take on more risk or force them to increase coverage, prices will rise in proportion. That is simple economics. I also know that a corporation doesnt pay taxes, they look at them just like any raw material. If the price of that material goes up, so does the price for their product so in reality a rise in taxes on power producing companies like specified in the cap and trade bill will do nothing more than cause a rise in prices for consumers.



why cant anyone else believe what someone else says.

Like we should believe that Obama wants transparency? How he will have every bill posted online for everyone to read 72 hours before he signs it? The fact that you even asked that makes me wonder if you have any kind of clue at all.


U assumed I listen and watch only liberal networks and coverage and just follow like a sheep or something. The common sense (like the people before me who revolted against the Vietnam War that u seem to call hippies and whatever else) made a better choice for the sake of our lives because that war became pointless.

That war became pointless because spineless politicians made sure it was. US forces won that conflict in every way except politically. If politicians allowed the military to do anything more than play defense we would have won that war inside 3 years, not the nearly decade long debacle we saw.


What do u believe we are in Iraq of all places for? What does Iraq have that we want or need? I know its not technology, I know its not due to its beautiful landscaping or political influence. Seems that that part of the country has the what, 2nd largest oil field in the world.

We are in Iraq because Bush wanted to clean up his daddy's mistake. The fact that Saddam continually ignored the UN and his many acts of genocide using WMD's was simply the catalyst. Oil had nothing to do with it outside of the chance to have a friendly state, or at least not a belligerent one, in charge of the oil.


And it would be worth it to put 100k plus men and women in Afganistan to find someone that killed 2700 Americans.

Yes it would because if he went unchecked, like he did in the Clinton years, he would only grow more bold and more sophisticated. How many would it take for you to say enough is enough?



U obviously didnt lose a member of your family or something in that event.

No I didnt but I did know a couple people that did.



He is the major "Terrorist" in this whole issue and we just let him go

How was he just let go? Because he has a very extensive network of support in the mountains that border Asscrackistan and Pakistan?



and America was made to forget who actually started it and blame it on random people in Iraq.

No one was made to forget anything. Just because you dont keep up with current events is no ones fault but your own.

Yea random people guilty of genocide. Forgive me if I dont feel sorry for them.



it doesnt matter how many fukin caves and places he could hide, he killed us, rid the planet of him.

Sounds easy huh? That just shows your ignorance of the subject.



Also, for some reason, after the FAA cancelled all air traffic, somehow the White House gave the Bin Ladens flight permission to leave the country although the rest of the country was at a standstill.

The bin Laden's have been outspoken supporters of the US since '91. Just because Osama doesnt share that sentiment doesnt mean we should fault them. If I was sitting in the oval Office at the time I would make sure the bin Laden's got out also, for nothing more than their own safety.

[Me86Rob]

Does this mean the people that go to the BP meet are terrorists?

[Echonova]

I believe the children are the future.

[Echonova]

Teach them well and let them lead the way.

[Echonova]

Show them all the beauty they possess insiiiiiiiide, give them a sense of pride.

[BanginJimmy]

I hate that song

[Echonova]

Why do you hate children and the environment? You must be a Bush-loving right wing extremest, desperately in need of a free visit to one of our lovely reeducation camps.

[BanginJimmy]

Why do you hate children and the environment? You must be a Bush-loving right wing extremest, desperately in need of a free visit to one of our lovely reeducation camps.

I've been to the one in Frisco and the more intense one in Berkeley. I was expelled from both for trying to get a cat to mate with a pitbull. They didnt believe me when I said it was all about free love and diversity.

[nreggie454]

http://www.shof.msrcsites.co.uk/ob.jpg

[blaknoize]

we both have very different views on the world, so I'll leave it be. This is about BP and Nuclear weapons. I cant fight your views anymore than you can mine.

[tony]

I think the Nuclear option would be a PR disaster for BP. Even if it did prove to be a viable solution the perception of detonating a nuclear weapon as a means to resolve an environmental issue is.. counter productive.

[BanginJimmy]

seems like it would, and has worked in the past. If the soviets could find a way to get it done 30 years ago, I ahve no reason to think we cannot do it now with even better results.

http://trueslant.com/juliaioffe/2010/05/04/nuke-that-slick/

An expert on nukes said in another article that a nuke explosion 18k feet down would have no effect on the surface.

[-EnVus-]

Yeah so i just saw on the Aol news that Obama is telling British owned BP to "PAY UP!"
Hmmm i wonder who will get the money ???

[BanginJimmy]

Yeah so i just saw on the Aol news that Obama is telling British owned BP to "PAY UP!"
Hmmm i wonder who will get the money ???

I hope BP tells him to pound sand. Lets see if Obama tries to kick his ass.

[The Ninja]

we both have very different views on the world, so I'll leave it be. This is about BP and Nuclear weapons. I cant fight your views anymore than you can mine.

One of yours being very logical and quite arguably objective; viewing the world and viewing the US as an influencing force. The other has an irrational and biased view; being unwilling to concede or accept facts that don't align with said biases. I'll let everyone else figure out which is which.

[blaknoize]

Aint hindsight grand. I bet we can find many thousands of bad decisions by presidents when we use it. Look at the facts AT THAT TIME. Saddam was using gas on the kurds. He was threatening to use them on Americans and on Israel.

Yes, we can all find thousands of bad decisions a President made, we can also find bad decisions we've all made in life, but this is a very bad decision that is glaring in the faces of many, not just in America. AT THAT TIME he was gasing people (maybe) but a WMD is kinda more than just a gas bomb, more like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, along the lines of... say Nuclear or highly powered explosive, which, to this day has not and will not ever be found. Or at least if found, it wouldnt be in a ready state.




And we have done that. The biggest obstacle we had their was foreign fighters, not Iraqis. You can also add the fact that Iran was supplying them with weapons and intel the entire time.

We have done what? Created them into a powerful war-machine in their own right? Their lives we're 100times more peaceful before we stepped into to "help em out a bit."



And that means they were absolutely no threat to us right? Germany has never attacked the US either so I guess you think we should have stayed out of Europe during the '40's.

Germany was obviously en route to attacking America and everyone else in the world, dont try to compare 2 different classes of wars in this discussion. No one had any issue with that skirmish we had with them because it was for a reason that was real not made up.


Iran, Iraq and Asscrackistan are/were terrorist countries. There is absolutely no way to deny that.

They may have been, to each other. But Iraq had no track record at all with picking fights in the West. The West meaning, namely, America. We arent talking about Iran and Afganistan clearly started it, no way to deny any of that.


Got any proof of this Mr. Jones?

Proof of what, Oil in Iraq? Um, we're there pulling it out of the ground and truckers balling out at 8-10k a month driving their trucks to and from for the oil to be loaded and shipped to America. Do I really have to go online and show u or something? Your not literate.



Healthcare, cap and trade, emissions, How about no lobbiests?

Healthcare is a grand idea in my mind. Me being a person whom has never been able to afford it or receive terrible service, it would help my health out greatly. I for one would like it and I happen to work with a Canadian who does not praise the system Canada has, but admits if it wasnt for it, some of his healthcare needs would have never been affordable.

Cap and trade, I have no knowledge of and cannot back myself up on it. Emissions... like auto-emissions? What are u retarded? Even if... and I stress if... we arent at fault for warming our planet, why pollute more when we can advance our way of life and still pull high HP #'s and have fun? I like the fact that it will force people to change from their wasteful ways than not. Cuz... eventually (whether accidentally or other) it will catch up to us. Rather be proactive than reactive and blame it on the Earth for deciding to kill us all, or GOD, or the next 2 Presidents for not thinking about our planet as a whole.


Bin Laden was completely off the radar in Asscrackistan and at the same time Saddam was acting up.

Bin Laden was also more of an issue than Saddam. Saddam wasnt even mentioned till Bin Laden's name was plastered all over the storyboards. Saddam was old and was minding his own damn business till we just decided to finally punish him for his wrongs after like 40yrs of him also sitting pretty in his house.



Obama is at fault for compounding all of the issues we have. He hasnt attempted to do anything but grow the govt into every aspect of business and our personal lives. And again, he hasnt cleared anything up.

He probably wont (and u can say something like oh I said "he probably wont") and add as many other words u want. But yea, Obama might not get anything done, but why put him down before he can even accomplish anything? We're VERY good at stopping someone from progression, but never root for them to do better. Thats really kinda backwards.


If anyone is going crazy with the credit card it is Obama. Bush's largest deficit was about 420B, Obama's first budget weighs in at around 1.4T in deficit spending. I dont count 08-09 budget because no one president is responsible for it. 4x the deficit in a single year. At this pace by the time Obama is out of office we will have added more in 4 years of Obaam than 8 years of Bush. Want to re-examine your comments about who is playing loose with your money?

Sure is, but now its just wasted money because the man cant use his logic to make it out of the large debt. Using debt in the wrong way will of course destroy an economy, but u also cannot start most businesses without capital. He used capital (and loads of it) to try and stablize the country (which worked for a moment) then everyone paid as much attention as possible to the figures and stopped it, blamed it and now... the time has passed for that debt to be used properly and everyone's now up in fukin arms over it and the debt is no longer capital debt its relative debt (like going to college and dropping out.)



BTW, where did Bush cheat? I believe the cheater was Clinton.

How did this roll to Clinton? The cheater was Bush, Florida's Governer just so happen to be Bush's brother (or half-brother) Jeb Bush. It was also declared by Bush that he would win Florida "you can write it down..." and every other network displayed the actual winner (twice actually in after the recounts completed) on, again, every network but Fox. We all recall it but you.



Actually it was Bush. In this country we have a thing called the electoral college. I dont like the way it is configured, but oh well.

Actually it was not Bush, it was someone other than Bush as in, not Bush.



We got hit because a sect of a religion thinks all americans should be dead.

This is due to us fighting everyone for everything we want. Not all countries are blind and their Oil partners, business partners, food stuffs partners and the like are humming along, growing and working out problems with each other, while we swing our large penis in everyone's face, trying to beat the shit out of everyone.


The plan for after the war phase was truely pathetic. The blame for that starts with the Joint Chiefs and ends with the President.

The plan, I paid no attention to because we were still at war. The blame starts with Bin Laden, then the Joint Chiefs and President blame others to continue on.



If you had ever been to asscrackistan you would know why. We could have used 10 divisions and we would have never found him with anything but pure luck.

And if we finally found him, we found him. We're trying to own a whole country anyway, may as well own the country that murdered thousands instead of blaming thousands so we can murder the country. Since we know Dick Cheney stated "...the war will not end without their complete and utter destruction" and the sad thing is... he will be right. But, they wont let us just walts in there and take it.



If you would like some facts though, you might want to stay off the highly liberal stations. Iraqi's are killing their own civilians. It was mainly foreign fighters armed and equipped by Iran that was targeting Americans.

Either because they are extremely close to Iraq and can just feel they are next, which they are, we just havent found a large enough reason to fight them yet. Halliburton will arrive, check out the prospective reserves, piss of Israel and blame it on the fact that they are in a Holy War (which clearly is biblical and beyond our needs to step into) and we'll be forced, yet again, to protect Israel because they'll request assistance in reclaiming land that isnt rightfully or even theoritcally theirs.


You really go believe anything John Kerry, Chris Mathews and the rest of the hardcore liberals say dont you? You even use the same key words they do. You really should take a look at the real world.

I deleted the rest of that last comment as it could be true and could not, its a mood point based on the fact that you live here and not there. Chris Mathews is pretty cool, like Keith Oblerman (however u spell it) but they arent all I listen/watch and pay attention to. The real world is what we all live in, i dont have to "look" very hard or listen to others. I want it to be better for my children and my future and our future. Not just a couple of people up top. But change is what we wanted, we had or still have a chance for that change to take effect. But now everyone's all scared and blaming each other again like middle-schoolers. We did this (or Bush, or Bin Laden or Saddam or the nicknamed insurgents) but somebody did it. May as well take it and fix it instead of blaming everyone else all the time.

Obama came in with a mission for his kids as well, but now, its back to basics, we ruined the "Chance of Change" because we're all scared to change, so... our country may not change, but I hope we have things that force us to change. Other than waiting for someone to scare us into change and using fear to get results.

[blaknoize]

^Well that didnt come out right... how to separate quotes...

EDIT: FUK YEA ALL CAPS

[preferredduck]

Obama can plug the pipe.


Stern warnings and harsh criticism can perform miracles, or so I hear.

no he is so full of crap if they stuff him in there the leak will stop. and if we really want a back-up plan shove explosives up his but and before they detonate i would love to see him yell "dynomite" before they blow him up!!!! plan b is bill and hillary clinton, those big macs should really do the trick and even work as fish food too.

[BanginJimmy]

Yes, we can all find thousands of bad decisions a President made, we can also find bad decisions we've all made in life, but this is a very bad decision that is glaring in the faces of many, not just in America. AT THAT TIME he was gasing people (maybe) but a WMD is kinda more than just a gas bomb, more like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, along the lines of... say Nuclear or highly powered explosive, which, to this day has not and will not ever be found. Or at least if found, it wouldnt be in a ready state.

Gas is a WMD and there is no way to deny he wasnt. it is very well documented.




Germany was obviously en route to attacking America and everyone else in the world, dont try to compare 2 different classes of wars in this discussion. No one had any issue with that skirmish we had with them because it was for a reason that was real not made up.

Germany had plans to stay as far away from America as possible. Hitler remembered his days in the trenches during WWI and was afraid of America. He knew our population, industrial base, and the fact we were so far from Europe made us impossible for him to defeat. Hitler was highly pissed at the Japs for attacking us and drawing us into the war.




They may have been, to each other. But Iraq had no track record at all with picking fights in the West. The West meaning, namely, America. We arent talking about Iran and Afganistan clearly started it, no way to deny any of that.

Wait a minute. You expect me to take your reasoning with Germany at face value, then come back with this? If anything, Iraq was more of a threat to the US than Germany ever was.




Healthcare is a grand idea in my mind. Me being a person whom has never been able to afford it or receive terrible service, it would help my health out greatly. I for one would like it and I happen to work with a Canadian who does not praise the system Canada has, but admits if it wasnt for it, some of his healthcare needs would have never been affordable.

In other wards you think you have a right to a portion of my money for your personal gain while I receive, at best, nothing in return. More likely I end up with higher medical costs and lesser care.




Cap and trade, I have no knowledge of and cannot back myself up on it. Emissions... like auto-emissions? What are u retarded? Even if... and I stress if... we arent at fault for warming our planet, why pollute more when we can advance our way of life and still pull high HP #'s and have fun? I like the fact that it will force people to change from their wasteful ways than not. Cuz... eventually (whether accidentally or other) it will catch up to us. Rather be proactive than reactive and blame it on the Earth for deciding to kill us all, or GOD, or the next 2 Presidents for not thinking about our planet as a whole.

Cap and trade is basicly an additional tax on everyone. Companies that create carbon based emissions will have to purchase an allowance. It will mainly affect energy producing companies and will do nothing but raise prices for consumers.

The emissions standards arent a bad thing in of themselves but they are highly expensive and at the moment unattainable.

We wont even go into the fake science that comes from people with an agenda. Just look at the English researchers that got caught covering up data that didnt fit the hypothesis they wanted to sell.





He probably wont (and u can say something like oh I said "he probably wont") and add as many other words u want. But yea, Obama might not get anything done, but why put him down before he can even accomplish anything? We're VERY good at stopping someone from progression, but never root for them to do better. Thats really kinda backwards.

Were you in Bush's corner while he was in office? No, you werent, so why should I be in the corner of a politician whose agenda goes against pretty much everything I want from govt?




Sure is, but now its just wasted money because the man cant use his logic to make it out of the large debt. Using debt in the wrong way will of course destroy an economy, but u also cannot start most businesses without capital. He used capital (and loads of it) to try and stablize the country (which worked for a moment) then everyone paid as much attention as possible to the figures and stopped it, blamed it and now... the time has passed for that debt to be used properly and everyone's now up in fukin arms over it and the debt is no longer capital debt its relative debt (like going to college and dropping out.)

Common sense would have been to cut taxes, especially on private citizens that actually spend money, not the bottom dwellers that dont pay any taxes anyways. He has also handcuffed any chance of a recovery with his dreams of vastly increased taxes, increased regulation, and increased govt spending.

There is no proof that the stimulus ever did more than create short term work. It created very few long term jobs anywhere but in govt. The timing is exactly what Obama wanted. A little bit to start with to show they were doing something, then the big money when it comes time for him to be elected again.





How did this roll to Clinton? The cheater was Bush, Florida's Governer just so happen to be Bush's brother (or half-brother) Jeb Bush. It was also declared by Bush that he would win Florida "you can write it down..." and every other network displayed the actual winner (twice actually in after the recounts completed) on, again, every network but Fox. We all recall it but you.

Once again. Gore was granted the recount, but only as a statewide recount. Gore said no to that as he only wanted heavily democratic districts recounted.





This is due to us fighting everyone for everything we want. Not all countries are blind and their Oil partners, business partners, food stuffs partners and the like are humming along, growing and working out problems with each other, while we swing our large penis in everyone's face, trying to beat the shit out of everyone.

I agree we need to be more isolationist. We should stay out of most countries but we should definitely increase aid and presence with our allies. We should also cut off all foreign aid to countries that do not also benefit us.




Either because they are extremely close to Iraq and can just feel they are next, which they are, we just havent found a large enough reason to fight them yet.

We have plenty of reason to fight them right now because of their repeated acts of war against us and their repeated violations of UN resolutions.



piss of Israel and blame it on the fact that they are in a Holy War (which clearly is biblical and beyond our needs to step into) and we'll be forced, yet again, to protect Israel because they'll request assistance in reclaiming land that isnt rightfully or even theoritcally theirs.

Israel can take care of themselves as we saw in the the Arab Israeli war of 1948, the 6 Day War, and dozens of smaller conflicts. All of which were started by Arabs. I dont even want to hear about Palestinian lands either. There has never been a country of Palestine and the Israelis would most likely give them a hell of a lot more if those poor, peaceful Palestinians would quit lobbing rockets at israeli cities.

[SPOOLIN]

wow you guys must think they never detonated Nuclear weapons over water already. FYI look up Bikini Atoll lol. They have lit the ocean up SEVERAL SEVERAL times with FULL YIELD nuclear weapons. A weapon powerful enough to seal the leak would be nothing like what you see on TV or the ones that dropped in japan. It would work but they would have to study the Geology first to make sure it wouldn't just be full of fractures and cause a HUGE problem that would ruin the gulf FOREVER. There would not be radiation poisoning lol. I guarantee you they have had a team studying it all this time while they've been doing the whole relief well option and we'll never know. Leave no option unturned.

If they had to do it, i hope they do it where no one would know, except of course the USGS when they pick up a 3.5 Earthquake in the middle of the gulf lol.

[blaknoize]

Freakin full debate, WOOT!

When I get back to the internetz, I'll reply.

[BanginJimmy]

If they had to do it, i hope they do it where no one would know, except of course the USGS when they pick up a 3.5 Earthquake in the middle of the gulf lol.

I'll keep an eye out for the tsunami warnings for Alabama and Mississippi.

[SPOOLIN]

it wouldn't be enough. might make a good surf for the surfers though.