kms valvetrain

[nelson9995]

I am building an all motor gsr and was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with the KMS stage 1 valvetrain. They seem at a good price and have read other reviews on honda tech and people seem to have good experiences with them. Have any of you used it and any problems??? I am trying to reach 200WHP to maybe a little more with some skunk2 pro2 cams and am trying to rev to 9000 safely without having to worry.

any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks

[AyO Deebo]

i read that they aren't that good. i believe vteckidd can vouch on that

[nelson9995]

i read that they aren't that good. i believe vteckidd can vouch on that

i messaged vtec kidd... lets see what he says... dang theyre at a good price. its temptin... i really want skunk2 everything but dont have $1500.

[bigdare23]

I'm currently using KMS valve springs and retainers with no problem on my b20vtec. But if you plan on using Pro Series cams, then you should use the rest of the Pro Series lineup.

[nelson9995]

I'm currently using KMS valve springs and retainers with no problem on my b20vtec. But if you plan on using Pro Series cams, then you should use the rest of the Pro Series lineup.

hmmmm good to know.... I want the skunk2 pro2 cams bad... i am not sure how they compare to the pro1s though... either or i want the best valve train I can find at a good affordable price or atleast one that I can rev to 9k and be reliable and not have to worry everytime I pass 8k.... maybe even 10k who knows

[all-mota]

they will work but make sure the spring install height is correct and everything else.

if you want skunk to warranty their cams i suggest getting skunk 2 valve train you might not notice a difference but tust me their is.

[nelson9995]

they will work but make sure the spring install height is correct and everything else.

if you want skunk to warranty their cams i suggest getting skunk 2 valve train you might not notice a difference but tust me their is.

skunk2 valvetrain is out of my budget.... The cams alone are 650 which I am hoping to save and buy and the entire KMS valvetrain is about 400...

So you are saying the KMS would do it, and I would be reliable staying between the 9 to 10k getting there on a daily basis.??

[changaroo]

isnt KMS mahdavi motorsports?

[bigdare23]

^^^No KMS isn't Mahdavi



Why does everyone want to rev to 10k? LOL

To tell you the truth you're be lucky to see power at 9k dude. My suggest is let your tuner/dyno determine your redline.

[nelson9995]

^^^No KMS isn't Mahdavi



Why does everyone want to rev to 10k? LOL

To tell you the truth you're be lucky to see power at 9k dude. My suggest is let your tuner/dyno determine your redline.


lol im hoping i make power there. my concern is whether ill be able to rev to as high as i make power whether is 7k or 10k reliably... feel me?

[NEMO]

what kind of compression are you going to have? pro2 cams are rated no less than 11.5

[B18c1Turboed]

KMS suck.... I would use Supertech they aint expensive.

[NEMO]

KMS suck.... I would use Supertech they aint expensive.
supertech is what im running

[nelson9995]

what kind of compression are you going to have? pro2 cams are rated no less than 11.5

im running pr3 pistons which will yield me right areund there

[nelson9995]

KMS suck.... I would use Supertech they aint expensive.

i thought kms was a rebadged supertech?

[allmotorX]

KMS suck.... I would use Supertech they aint expensive.have you ever used kms before?

[B18c1Turboed]

Nope, but a friend had a very bad expirence with them..... I suggest Ferrea over anything out there!

[nelson9995]

have you ever used kms before?

dang man thats exactly what I was going to write and then I saw you said it..... sooooo
x2

[nelson9995]

Nope, but a friend had a very bad expirence with them..... I suggest Ferrea over anything out there!

ohhh.... what happened with your friend?? how long he had it what motor and how high did he rev it?

[all-mota]

skunk2 valvetrain is out of my budget.... The cams alone are 650 which I am hoping to save and buy and the entire KMS valvetrain is about 400...

So you are saying the KMS would do it, and I would be reliable staying between the 9 to 10k getting there on a daily basis.??

yes they will work but with the pro 2's you don't just need to throw them in they need to be degreed in and the springs need to be setup the right way or you next post will be on how skunk cams and kms valve train caused your engine to go kaboom.

most people don't realize how big those cams are.. honestly you would be better suited with the pro 1's and just tell everybody you have pro 2's

[nelson9995]

yes they will work but with the pro 2's you don't just need to throw them in they need to be degreed in and the springs need to be setup the right way or you next post will be on how skunk cams and kms valve train caused your engine to go kaboom.

most people don't realize how big those cams are.. honestly you would be better suited with the pro 1's and just tell everybody you have pro 2's

thanks for the info... I will get the build done by someone who knows what theyare doing... so hopefully it is done right...

[punkr6]

KMS suck.... I would use Supertech they aint expensive.

This ^^^ KMS is Garbage and the owner, John is a piece of shit....

[all-mota]

please do i would rather not see you post about how your engine went to shit. and i would bet if you stick with pro1's and a nice header intake maniold throttle body etc that will flow some air you will make the almost the same power as the pro 2's.

the pro 2' should make about 10 whp in the midrange and about 5 whp peak over the pro 1's but thats with a nice header intake manifold throttle body and a good tune.

[nelson9995]

please do i would rather not see you post about how your engine went to shit. and i would bet if you stick with pro1's and a nice header intake maniold throttle body etc that will flow some air you will make the almost the same power as the pro 2's.

the pro 2' should make about 10 whp in the midrange and about 5 whp peak over the pro 1's but thats with a nice header intake manifold throttle body and a good tune.

I have a skunk2 IM already...
Im buying a Kidd header (for sure)
2.5 straight pipe on apex muffler
and IM DEFINATELY going to scotty for a tune... this is what im shooting for and this is what I have (first list) and what I need (second list)

whats ur estimate on WHP?

Have:
S2 PRO IM
pr3 pistons .40mm over
440cc Injectors
arp rod bolts/ head studs
walbro 255 FP
AEM v2 cold air

Need:
valvetrain
cams
cam gears
header
2.5 straight pipe

[Vteckidd]

KMS are just rebadged Supertech valve springs. Call supertech they will tell you the same thing. Now Supertech recently changed their retainers so i dont know if KMS uses the same retainers or they are using the older ones.

Personally i would get the SKunk2 valvetrain and PRO1s, you dont need PRO2s unless you have 2.0l 12:1 compression. Skunk2 NON PRO valvetrain (which is fine for PRO1s) is really inexpensive

[Vteckidd]

Those pistons and on a 1.8l you only need PRO1s or Tuner Stage 2s.

[nelson9995]

Those pistons and on a 1.8l you only need PRO1s or Tuner Stage 2s.

even if is a little more expensive or trouble... i wanna get the best cams possible.... if it yields me 1whp+ reliably then is what ill do... what you think with a completel kms valvetrain

what I mean is... is it doable and reliable with the s2p2....

what I need to know is if I can run the KMS valvetrain with S2P2 cams and S2 adj. cam gears and rev to wherever my redline is reliably on a daily basis

[Vteckidd]

Yes you can run the kms but why when skunk2 is the same price.

Pro2s are a waste of money. Your motor isn't hot enough or built enough. Run pro1 or skunk2 stage 2s

[nelson9995]

Yes you can run the kms but why when skunk2 is the same price.

Pro2s are a waste of money. Your motor isn't hot enough or built enough. Run pro1 or skunk2 stage 2s

can you please show me where to buy the s2 for the same price??? cuz theres a deal on ebay for 450 the COMPLETE ENTIRE VALVETRAIN

so are you saying I will lose power with the s2p2??? cuz if not is what im doin lol... im thinking of the future too becuz ima open the motor again and do more to it in about a year or so

[all-mota]

I have a skunk2 IM already...
Im buying a Kidd header (for sure)
2.5 straight pipe on apex muffler
and IM DEFINATELY going to scotty for a tune... this is what im shooting for and this is what I have (first list) and what I need (second list)

whats ur estimate on WHP?

Have:
S2 PRO IM
pr3 pistons .40mm over
440cc Injectors
arp rod bolts/ head studs
walbro 255 FP
AEM v2 cold air

Need:
valvetrain
cams
cam gears
header
2.5 straight pipe

68 or 70mm throttle body and unless the skunk 2 mani is ported the performer x makes a little more power right out of the box. and as far as a estimate just put it all together and you will find out could be anywhere from 170 to 200 if your lucky

[VickNotic]

I've race the kms valvetrain setup using stage2 crowers (the n/a application camshaft) and they did me wonders, I had the setup for 3 years before selling the car. And KMS is local and you can probably pick up yourself, I did when i bought mines. iirc they were located somewhere near around I20/hwy78

[nelson9995]

68 or 70mm throttle body and unless the skunk 2 mani is ported the performer x makes a little more power right out of the box. and as far as a estimate just put it all together and you will find out could be anywhere from 170 to 200 if your lucky

a little disappointing perhaps... we will see....
thanks for the info!

[ash7]

I am building an all motor gsr and was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with the KMS stage 1 valvetrain. They seem at a good price and have read other reviews on honda tech and people seem to have good experiences with them. Have any of you used it and any problems??? I am trying to reach 200WHP to maybe a little more with some skunk2 pro2 cams and am trying to rev to 9000 safely without having to worry.

any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks

I have been running Crower 402s well over a year, and have not had any issues with my springs and retainers from KMS. :goodjob:

-jonathan

[nelson9995]

I have been running Crower 402s well over a year, and have not had any issues with my springs and retainers from KMS. :goodjob:

-jonathan

HMM good to know! thanks man!

[all-mota]

a little disappointing perhaps... we will see....
thanks for the info!


i mean it's a estimate you could make over 200whp if you get lucky or you could spend the money and get the head ported etc and make it even easier to make the power

[nelson9995]

i mean it's a estimate you could make over 200whp if you get lucky or you could spend the money and get the head ported etc and make it even easier to make the power

yeah... i was thinking about that.... how much is a port and 3 angle valve job??

[JVP]

Kms valves are sucks

[EmminoDaGreat]

Pro 1's and Pro 2's are really close in price ( I know because I deal em)
Also the valvetrain I believe you have to buy springs and retainers seperate, but dont quote me. skunk2 wise

Supertechs are like around 300 for everything

[Jwall2323]

Yeah. KMS is actually a couple miles from me. In Covington. My roommate has the head package in his gsr, and has not had any problems at all. The owner John Kaufman, (Kaufman MotorSports) is actually a nice guy, and will work with you if you have any questions or problems. I'm about to put the head package in my h22

[Tech5]

Me and John worked together at the Honda dealer super nice guy but thinks his stuff is GOLDEN . He has a Super nice shop built at his house , (machine shop) and makes his own parts not re-badged like others are saying . He made me some parts and I watched him do it , He allowed me to stay with him 1 whole day and check his shop out . But price ( he's over price to me ) but with the money he has in those machines I see why . Lots of over head .

[Black4DrEK]

I used them in a Poor man R, Didint have any problems with them!

[stretch]

ever since i moved to atl ive been hearing that kms makes the valvetrain for supertech and just put their(supertech) name on it....i see people using them without issues but i know for a fact supertech is a good valvetrain from personal experience, they take the abuse...... so if indeed kms and supertech is the same valvetrain i say its a go

[bseriesus]

Yes you can run the kms but why when skunk2 is the same price.

Pro2s are a waste of money. Your motor isn't hot enough or built enough. Run pro1 or skunk2 stage 2s


I agree,also from what I read on the pro 2's it takes your power band 800 rpm or so pass stock red line. I was able to find a set of pro 1's from CFT for 550 new in the box. Check there web site or call em to see if they still have that sell going on.

[nelson9995]

I used them in a Poor man R, Didint have any problems with them!
hmm thanks man... what cams were u running'?


ever since i moved to atl ive been hearing that kms makes the valvetrain for supertech and just put their(supertech) name on it....i see people using them without issues but i know for a fact supertech is a good valvetrain from personal experience, they take the abuse...... so if indeed kms and supertech is the same valvetrain i say its a go
hmm yeah I decided to get them lol


I agree,also from what I read on the pro 2's it takes your power band 800 rpm or so pass stock red line. I was able to find a set of pro 1's from CFT for 550 new in the box. Check there web site or call em to see if they still have that sell going on.

i ended up buying buddy club spec iv's
skunk2 is out the door lol

[Black4DrEK]

When I was using them, I used Crane Stage 2 cams. They are like Pro 1's, Bigger than CTR, ITR, ect.

[nelson9995]

When I was using them, I used Crane Stage 2 cams. They are like Pro 1's, Bigger than CTR, ITR, ect.
hmmm nice... since I heard you build engines... have you ever built a 1.8 wit BC IV cams and what were the results if so

[Black4DrEK]

No I havent put together that same exact setup, But what else do you have besides the cams?

[nelson9995]

No I havent put together that same exact setup, But what else do you have besides the cams?

almost everything i need to port the head... valvetrai cam gears and thats it

i got
buddy club spec iv cams
pr3 pistons
walbro 255 FP
440cc INj.
68mm TB
performer x IM
aem v2 cai
KIDDracing header
p28 ecu
rod bolts head studs

my current motor is a ls in my car... i have a gsr on the side... i want to do gsr because I know is safer but I want to do LS/V because I heard it makes more power.. is it worth it going ls/v?

keep in mind im spraying a 100shot

[Black4DrEK]

IMO I would keep the Gsr block.

[nelson9995]

IMO I would keep the Gsr block.

beause of the shot or is the gsr better over all??
? and how much you charge to diassemble and assemble a motor...

[Black4DrEK]

PM'd

[Tech5]

GSR block is way better than a LS

[RBS]

i vote LS block, cheaper and more plentiful than the blown up GSR counterparts

[nelson9995]

GSR block is way better than a LS
I'm going GSR


i vote LS block, cheaper and more plentiful than the blown up GSR counterparts
I have both so I have room to play... An LS in my car right now and a GSR in the garage(complete SWAP)
I rather give up 3 or 4 hp and lb of tq and be able to rev higher and have a piece of mind... since I'm going with cast iron pistons and stocks rods... and I have some pretty big cams that make power to about 9 9.5 k