toyota starlet- sr20det..

[BanginBlazer]

has any one heard of a toyota starlet kp61?... well my neighbor has one with a widebody on it and i love it because its now a 13b starlet with completly gutted insides. i had an idea i know its been done alot but i plan on building one as well but just with a sr20det motor because the car weighs 1600 lbs with stock motor. i know my blazer isnt a import so i am lookin to get in the game again.. many ppl were sayin a ls1 is lighter but wouldnt the v8 thro off the weight distribution? i wanna pull up to just some cocky racer and watch him just get left.. i hope? anyways if anyone thinks this would be a decent build plz tell me and where is a good place to get a sr20det motor in good condition?

[alpine_aw11]

Fuck an sr20, drop a 4ag blacktop in there. It's a way better motor and the knowledge is out there. sr20's don't really make shit for power in their stock from and never really make any torque anyway.

[quickdodge®]

i wanna pull up to just some cocky racer and watch him just get left..

Only dummies street race. Later, QD.

[EP3sAreFun]

Fuck an sr20, drop a 4ag blacktop in there. It's a way better motor and the knowledge is out there. sr20's don't really make shit for power in their stock from and never really make any torque anyway.

or even better...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dehater/3403028184/

something with torque

[alpine_aw11]

That would be pretty awesome. I'm just somewhat partial to 4ag motors, and considering it's a Toyota that's definitely what I would go with. And if you want boost, blacktops eat that shit up. Supercharge it on 8-10 pounds and it would be stupid fun in a Starlet. Instant TQ, and you would be in the 300 hp range. Different isn't always better, and it's not like 4ag Starlets are all over the road anyway.

[Glides]

Lol who hasn't heard of a KP61 Starlet? If they haven't, they need to be slapped. Hard.

An LS1 in a Starlet is a goofball idea. Neat, but goofy. If you want to do anything, slap a 4AGzE in there, do the suspension to it and roll out. If you put an SR in that car you will need to join the line of those being slapped above.

I miss my Starlet, it's up for sale too. Full Corolla suspension, Kakimoto Exhaust and some other goodies. Dunno what he wants, but my Starlet was clean.

My 86 layed down a respectable 210 to the wheels on a GzE with 10 lbs of boost. With the rear end would hang with FD's to about 105 or so.

[JITB]

whatever you want to put in a starlet is anything.. i think iv seen everything in one.. My fav being the rotary.. because of the weight of the rotary and the starlet is a perfect match.

but id like to see a starlet with a nice na build for a change as a functional track car would be cool to see. Na Sr20ve - F20c - silvertop 20v, na 13b...

those are just cool cars all around..

[BanginBlazer]

Only dummies street race. Later, QD.
this guy only think ppl street race can no one ever build shit for show? damn get off every ones dick man u have like 65,000 posts do u not a have a life? seriously .. u tried to chew me out about em bein a noob well imma embarrass you some time and make u feel awful..

[BanginBlazer]

but are sr lighter? cause i have seen a few with fj20et motors in em and rotary.. i wanna make mine a nice street car but yet show a clean looking fresh paint and decent motor .. some ppl build then never use it i wanna wind mine out like good break in

[JITB]

but are sr lighter? cause i have seen a few with fj20et motors in em and rotary.. i wanna make mine a nice street car but yet show a clean looking fresh paint and decent motor .. some ppl build then never use it i wanna wind mine out like good break in


sr motors are aluminum blocks with iron sleeves i believe? which is different from most FI motors that are Iron built. but rotary is a lightweight to any other motor. And the Fj is aluminum so id guess it would be lighter than the sr.

[EJ25RUN]

this guy only think ppl street race can no one ever build shit for show? damn get off every ones dick man u have like 65,000 posts do u not a have a life? seriously .. u tried to chew me out about em bein a noob well imma embarrass you some time and make u feel awful..

You really expect anyone to respect what you say after this post?

[BanginBlazer]

respect... well if he would not try an chew out a noob and comment stupidly on things i wouldnt have to say this to him... thats all so if ppl say dumb things with out joking they deserve to be called out

[quickdodge®]

this guy only think ppl street race can no one ever build shit for show?

So let me get this straight. You said the following in your initial post:

"
i wanna pull up to just some cocky racer and watch him just get left.."

So when you pull up to some "cocky racer," you were going to hop out of your car and pop your hood and open the doors and set out a little display of a couple of community church trophies as if you were at a show? Ot were you going to "left" him?


well imma embarrass you some time and make u feel awful..

How are you planning on embarrassing me? I'm curious.



comment stupidly on things i wouldnt have to say this to him... thats all so if ppl say dumb things with out joking they deserve to be called out

Call me out? To what? I didn't comment "stupidly" on anything. Lolol. Later, QD.

[Machado]

The only way to do it

Slight NWS
http://www.grs-motorsports.com/noticias/foro/videos/mix/adrianamix.wmv

[quickdodge®]

I miss my Starlet, it's up for sale too. Full Corolla suspension, Kakimoto Exhaust and some other goodies. Dunno what he wants, but my Starlet was clean.

Who has it now? John? Later, QD.

[BanginBlazer]

i was talking about the track smart one but u didnt think of that.. i dont street race ... i drive a blazer it tops out at 95 nothing to brag about so thats why i wanted a starlet

[BanginBlazer]

but it could be a show car like display i dont want a show and no go car.. so but deff not church trophies... i didnt even know churches do that at least mine doesnt not every bodys area is wealthy

[Elbow]

but it could be a show car like display i dont want a show and no go car.. so but deff not church trophies... i didnt even know churches do that at least mine doesnt not every bodys area is wealthy

What the HELL ARE YOU SAYING?! :thinking:

All I got from this thread is you want a Starlet, you want an SR in it for some unknown reason then mentioned a V8 because you said it's lighter but will throw the weight distribution off which makes no sense.

Put a V8 in the back and call it quits, be a man.

What the hell is this about church trophies?

If you want a fast Starlet, rotary or 4AG. However it's not rare or surprising to anyone. I forget Starlets didn't COME WITH a rotary.

[BanginBlazer]

i was replying to quick dodge but i forgot to add the quotes are the 4age motors good?

[EP3sAreFun]

*sigh* this thread had potential for a good starlet discussion... oh well

[Capt._Ron]

sr motors are aluminum blocks with iron sleeves i believe? which is different from most FI motors that are Iron built. but rotary is a lightweight to any other motor. And the Fj is aluminum so id guess it would be lighter than the sr.


I would have to disagree with you everyone seems to think that rotary motors are lighter but it really depends on what rotary you are talking about. I believe the 13B REW is about 100 lbs heavier than the Renesis motor.

A quick search yeilded

SR20DET - 328 lbs

Rotary
-13B block: 180 pounds
-13B fully dressed: 260 pounds -
-13B-REW fully dressed: 327 pounds
I would guess that the Renesis weighs about 245 lbs.

[Machado]

12a engine alone = 282 pounds

[Glides]

Who has it now? John? Later, QD.


My friend in South Carolina. It's matte black now with a bunch of stuff done to it.

And I LOL'd at the inpromptu Car Show Battle at a stop light. I think that would be the funniest damm thing i've ever seen. I need to do that some day. Maybe we can do that at lights on the way to the next Old School meet.

That's even better than a Break Dance Fight.....CAR SHOW FIGHT!!!!!!!

And QD.....check yoru PMs and get back to me about my buddy from Alabama and his For Sale woes! Thanks man!

[alpine_aw11]

i was replying to quick dodge but i forgot to add the quotes are the 4age motors good?

Yes, they are. A GZE swap with basic mods will put you at 200ish, iirc a little higher especially if it's tuned. You really shouldn't need more than that in a Starlet, especially if you're going to strip it out. The only other route I would consider would be the 13b.

[BanginBlazer]

isnt the gze a supercharged motor? how easy are these to obtains vs 4age? are parts available

[DriVaH]

isnt the gze a supercharged motor? how easy are these to obtains vs 4age? are parts availableyes. you can get one from a first gen mr2.. i miss mine. i got it from a guy in fl that had the swap done, he also gave me turbo parts for it.. i have a home boi that had a 2jz setup in his but the frame twisted under torque... thing was fun to drive though... i keep looking for another starlet, man i miss it.

[quickdodge®]

i was talking about the track smart one but u didnt think of that.. i dont street race ..

Maybe you should have mentioned the track, "smart one." And kudos to you for keeping it at the track.


. i didnt even know churches do that at least mine doesnt not every bodys area is wealthy

Has nothing to do with wealth (although I do have it). And after checking your age, I can see why you don't know about churches doing car shows.

But again, my apologies for jumping to conclusions about racing and I'm certainly glad you decided NOT to attempt to embarrass me. Later, QD.

[JITB]

I would have to disagree with you everyone seems to think that rotary motors are lighter but it really depends on what rotary you are talking about. I believe the 13B REW is about 100 lbs heavier than the Renesis motor.

A quick search yeilded

SR20DET - 328 lbs

Rotary
-13B block: 180 pounds
-13B fully dressed: 260 pounds -
-13B-REW fully dressed: 327 pounds
I would guess that the Renesis weighs about 245 lbs.

good to know! are rotaries cast iron?

[DVSRX-7]

Drop a fucking Rotary in it and call it a fucking day!

[BABY J]

Fuck an sr20, drop a 4ag blacktop in there. It's a way better motor and the knowledge is out there. sr20's don't really make shit for power in their stock from and never really make any torque anyway.

Are you smoking crack? sr20det is good for 400 - 450 crank HP on stock internals. And the 4ag has nowhere NEAR the aftermarket as the sr.

[alpine_aw11]

Are you smoking crack? sr20det is good for 400 - 450 crank HP on stock internals. And the 4ag has nowhere NEAR the aftermarket as the sr.

From what I've seen, you can't DD a stock sr making over 400. Just because some people do it doesn't mean it works all the time. 4ag parts are easily obtainable, you might have to look a little harder for some things but it's all out there. On top of that, why would you want 400 in a Starlet unless it was a track car? You can make 250 hp all day with a gze or blacktop and be faster than most cars on the road.

The potential of the sr20 is there, but I would never do it in this car.

[Elbow]

Are you smoking crack? sr20det is good for 400 - 450 crank HP on stock internals. And the 4ag has nowhere NEAR the aftermarket as the sr.

SR20's are also boring fag motors that everyone has. Seeing an SR is like seeing a tree.

[BABY J]

From what I've seen, you can't DD a stock sr making over 400. Just because some people do it doesn't mean it works all the time. 4ag parts are easily obtainable, you might have to look a little harder for some things but it's all out there. On top of that, why would you want 400 in a Starlet unless it was a track car? You can make 250 hp all day with a gze or blacktop and be faster than most cars on the road.

The potential of the sr20 is there, but I would never do it in this car.

Yes you can DD an SR making this power - there are many examples on this board!!! Maybe you are confusing what the OP said. He said sr20DET not Sr20DE. And while we are on the subject of the sr, even an sr20DE rides the fuck out - 2 liters, more hp than TQ, and very rev happy outta the box. There is a certain sr20 Starlet in Columbus that you should get to know (Louis) that proves this point perfectly.


SR20's are also boring fag motors that everyone has. Seeing an SR is like seeing a tree.

No1 listens to you - including yourself.

[Elbow]

Yes you can DD an SR making this power - there are many examples on this board!!! Maybe you are confusing what the OP said. He said sr20DET not Sr20DE. And while we are on the subject of the sr, even an sr20DE rides the fuck out - 2 liters, more hp than TQ, and very rev happy outta the box. There is a certain sr20 Starlet in Columbus that you should get to know (Louis) that proves this point perfectly.



No1 listens to you - including yourself.

I'm pretty sure tons of people agree that an SR is like a tree.

[BABY J]

I'm pretty sure tons of people agree that an SR is like a tree.

I'm pretty sure tons of people agree that you are a joke.

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265354

No matter what some1 posts you've seen better, you've been faster, it sucks - it's not good enough. No1 gives a FUCK what you think - I can assure you that. You're only "so" knowledgeable on here yet you talk more than any1 else w/ stupid ass banter that you rarely back up.

You wanna be a Toyo fan boy that's great - the OP brought up the SR20DET not me... any1 who thinks that there is a comparison between the 4AG and the SR20DET is smoking crack - PERIOD. Revs - torque production, aftermarket, reliability, availability of OEM parts, power potential in stock form, I could go on.

(this is the part where you say something else dumb)

[Elbow]

I'm pretty sure tons of people agree that you are a joke.

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265354

No matter what some1 posts you've seen better, you've been faster, it sucks - it's not good enough. No1 gives a FUCK what you think - I can assure you that. You're only "so" knowledgeable on here yet you talk more than any1 else w/ stupid ass banter that you rarely back up.

You wanna be a Toyo fan boy that's great - the OP brought up the SR20DET not me... any1 who thinks that there is a comparison between the 4AG and the SR20DET is smoking crack - PERIOD. Revs - torque production, aftermarket, reliability, availability of OEM parts, power potential in stock form, I could go on.

(this is the part where you say something else dumb)

Yeah everyone thinks I'm a joke. :screwy: I can say my opinion all I want, half the cars posted here are gay ass fitment Civics with Rotas and a lip. I give credit to those who deserve credit.

I can back up ANYTHING I say.

I am not a Toyota fanboy, but I have SR's. Always have always will. They were great before everyone thought of them as the golden motor, an SR is just as common as a B16. I'm not bashing the motor itself, I'm just saying it's a boring vague motor. Maybe you're just a bolt on kind of guy with a lack of knowledge, you can build a 4AG just as you can an SR and then some.

[BanginBlazer]

im not a toyota kinda guy idk anything bout there motors so this is all new to me i do no domestic cars so im entering the import game

[BABY J]

I can back up ANYTHING I say.

I am not a Toyota fanboy, but I have SR's. Always have always will. They were great before everyone thought of them as the golden motor,

So let me get this right... SRs "were" great. Then suddenly after "every1" thought of them as 'the golden motor' they magically became "not so great"? :lmfao:Yeah - that was an excellent way to back up your stupid ass banter. LOL. GTFO of here w/ that shit. I own a B13 SeR as well (sr20de) and it's torquey, rev happy, responds well to mods and gets the fuck down w/out much effort. The sr20 was ahead of it's time and still is a potent package.


an SR is just as common as a B16.

Fail. The sr only came in the NX200, B13 Sentra SeR, B15 Sentra SE, and the Infinity G20. Outside of the B15 Sentra NONE of these cars are "common". When is the last time you saw a B13 SeR @ the track?? When is the last time you saw a Nx200 ANYWHERE?? What about a the G20 or G20t? Seen one of those this month?? Hell they didn't even come in 240s (in the U.S) yet you say an sr20 is as common as a fucking B16? You're an idiot man. And I don't mean that as a euphamism - I REALLY mean that you are indeed an idiot.


I'm not bashing the motor itself, I'm just saying it's a boring vague motor.

Ok. Do tell me what's vague about it. Tell me what is BORING about it. Then after that tell me how the 4aG is less vague and LESS boring. Let's get this ball rolling b/c I am desperate need of education here.
:rolleyes:


Maybe you're just a bolt on kind of guy with a lack of knowledge,

Or MAYBEEE I have more power in my nitrous bottle than what your entire motor makes by itself. LOL. Maybe my DAILY (this week - I like to mis it up) is a sleeved N/A motor (yeah who does shit like that - def not "bolt-on" guys). MAYBE I have a juiced notchback stang, a boosted EF hatch and a "tow rig" Bravada with a bottle on it. Yeah "bolt-on" guys do that on a regular basis. You obviously don't know your audience.


you can build a 4AG just as you can an SR and then some.

You can build anything - again, that is not the discussion or direction of this thread. Hell you can build a paper airplane but that's not what the discussion is about. The DICSUSSION is that 1) that the sr20DET is being compared to a fuckin 4AGE (EL OH FUCKING EL) and also how dumb you just made yourself look - THAT is the discussion.

[alpine_aw11]

I'm not trying to sit here and say sr20's can't make power, that would be a stupid thing to say. But it's definitely getting old seeing them dropped into everything when it doesn't really offer any particular advantage to the car.

Like I said, if it were me, I would do the blacktop with a mild build and rev to 10.5k everywhere I went with an insanely large smile on my face. I can only imagine what that would be like with a supercharger slapped on it.

[Elbow]

So let me get this right... SRs "were" great. Then suddenly after "every1" thought of them as 'the golden motor' they magically became "not so great"? :lmfao:Yeah - that was an excellent way to back up your stupid ass banter. LOL. GTFO of here w/ that shit. I own a B13 SeR as well (sr20de) and it's torquey, rev happy, responds well to mods and gets the fuck down w/out much effort. The sr20 was ahead of it's time and still is a potent package.



Fail. The sr only came in the NX200, B13 Sentra SeR, B15 Sentra SE, and the Infinity G20. Outside of the B15 Sentra NONE of these cars are "common". When is the last time you saw a B13 SeR @ the track?? When is the last time you saw a Nx200 ANYWHERE?? What about a the G20 or G20t? Seen one of those this month?? Hell they didn't even come in 240s (in the U.S) yet you say an sr20 is as common as a fucking B16? You're an idiot man. And I don't mean that as a euphamism - I REALLY mean that you are indeed an idiot.



Ok. Do tell me what's vague about it. Tell me what is BORING about it. Then after that tell me how the 4aG is less vague and LESS boring. Let's get this ball rolling b/c I am desperate need of education here.
:rolleyes:



Or MAYBEEE I have more power in my nitrous bottle than what your entire motor makes by itself. LOL. Maybe my DAILY (this week - I like to mis it up) is a sleeved N/A motor (yeah who does shit like that - def not "bolt-on" guys). MAYBE I have a juiced notchback stang, a boosted EF hatch and a "tow rig" Bravada with a bottle on it. Yeah "bolt-on" guys do that on a regular basis. You obviously don't know your audience.



You can build anything - again, that is not the discussion or direction of this thread. Hell you can build a paper airplane but that's not what the discussion is about. The DICSUSSION is that 1) that the sr20DET is being compared to a fuckin 4AGE (EL OH FUCKING EL) and also how dumb you just made yourself look - THAT is the discussion.

Just as I expected, none of which you just came back with really proved anything.

Except for the BS that a SR20DE makes torque and nice power. I have an SE-R too, it's slow. :lmfao:

You're just the typical IA thug. :goodjob: Until you KNOW ME in person, quoting everything I say and doing that gay break down thing is just another way for you to feel superior when you're sitting here discussing a tiny cheap SR20. :lmfao:

[BABY J]

Just as I expected, none of which you just came back with really proved anything.

I have nothing to prove - I am not the one making a ridiculous claim. The burden of proof is on you dummy.


Except for the BS that a SR20DE makes torque and nice power. I have an SE-R too, it's slow. :lmfao:

http://www.drifting.com/forums/tech-discussion-forum/11342-4age-motor-vs-sr20det.html

http://www.sr20de.net/car_info/dyno/index.html

Want me to stop?


You're just the typical IA thug. :goodjob: Until you KNOW ME in person, quoting everything I say and doing that gay break down thing is just another way for you to feel superior when you're sitting here discussing a tiny cheap SR20. :lmfao:

No1 that sees my posts will agree with you. A thug I am not. But I AM a 31 year old MAN who has a lot of time under my belt with this shit sir. I rarely say anything to any1 on here until they say dumb shit --- you make it very easy b/c you say a lot of dumb shit.

I do believe I asked you some questions in mym previous post - I'd love for them to be answered.

[Elbow]

So let me get this right... SRs "were" great. Then suddenly after "every1" thought of them as 'the golden motor' they magically became "not so great"? :lmfao:Yeah - that was an excellent way to back up your stupid ass banter. LOL. GTFO of here w/ that shit. I own a B13 SeR as well (sr20de) and it's torquey, rev happy, responds well to mods and gets the fuck down w/out much effort. The sr20 was ahead of it's time and still is a potent package.

No, I never said an SR was a shitty motor. They use to be a cool swap, but now it's extremely played out. It's my opinion. I don't like mainstream bullshit. It's a good motor but it's extremely boring.

Fail. The sr only came in the NX200, B13 Sentra SeR, B15 Sentra SE, and the Infinity G20. Outside of the B15 Sentra NONE of these cars are "common". When is the last time you saw a B13 SeR @ the track?? When is the last time you saw a Nx200 ANYWHERE?? What about a the G20 or G20t? Seen one of those this month?? Hell they didn't even come in 240s (in the U.S) yet you say an sr20 is as common as a fucking B16? You're an idiot man. And I don't mean that as a euphamism - I REALLY mean that you are indeed an idiot.

Who cares what it came in? :???: B16 only came in what two cars here? :thinking: It's still played out. Last time I saw a B13 SE-R at the track? REALLY?!!!?? EVERY FUCKING TIME I GO TO THE TRACK. SAME WITH A NX200, EVERY DAMN TIME. Where the fuck do you live?!?! :lmfao::lmfao: I've also seen many G20's this month, my neighbor has one.

You are the idiot. You think these are rare, are you being serious? :thinking: I must of misread this or you wrote it wrong.

SO YES, I SAY AN SR20 IS AS COMMON AS A B16. B16 CAME IN TWO CARS I CAN THINK OF, MOST ARE IMPORTED JUST AS SR20'S ARE PEOPLE THROW IN 240'S. SO YES, AN SR IS A MORE COMMONLY USED US MOTOR THEN A B16. MORON.

Ok. Do tell me what's vague about it. Tell me what is BORING about it. Then after that tell me how the 4aG is less vague and LESS boring. Let's get this ball rolling b/c I am desperate need of education here.
:rolleyes:

What's boring? IT'S IN EVERY FUCKING 240SX IN THIS COUNTRY ALMOST. That makes it boring. SR's are even in other makes and models. The 4AG to me is less boring because it's not as commonly swapped into EVERYTHING, and it revs like shit.


Or MAYBEEE I have more power in my nitrous bottle than what your entire motor makes by itself. LOL. Maybe my DAILY (this week - I like to mis it up) is a sleeved N/A motor (yeah who does shit like that - def not "bolt-on" guys). MAYBE I have a juiced notchback stang, a boosted EF hatch and a "tow rig" Bravada with a bottle on it. Yeah "bolt-on" guys do that on a regular basis. You obviously don't know your audience.

This just is a stupid post I don't even need to respond to. Go drive your BOLT ON toy cars around and act like you know something. You just proved above many times you're totally clueless and I am guessing an SR fanboy.

You can build anything - again, that is not the discussion or direction of this thread. Hell you can build a paper airplane but that's not what the discussion is about. The DICSUSSION is that 1) that the sr20DET is being compared to a fuckin 4AGE (EL OH FUCKING EL) and also how dumb you just made yourself look - THAT is the discussion.

No the discussion is about this guy doing a swap into a Starlet. Only you're discussing (er, making yourself look like a clueless tool) my stupidity. Have you had both motors? I enjoy a 4AG WAYYYYYYYYYY over a GAYARE.

[BanginBlazer]

Maybe you should have mentioned the track, "smart one." And kudos to you for keeping it at the track.



Has nothing to do with wealth (although I do have it). And after checking your age, I can see why you don't know about churches doing car shows.

But again, my apologies for jumping to conclusions about racing and I'm certainly glad you decided NOT to attempt to embarrass me. Later, QD.
thanks man now that we are all straightend out.. its stupid to race on the street cause of new ga fines are sky rocket over certain speed. but i want a all around car no matter where i take it except off road that it will be relativly good in pretty much anything it does... i didnt know churches do car shows ... usually the ones i know are the good guys car show? in braselton.. my fam has wealth but i have yet to recieve it soo s. o. l for me

[Elbow]

thanks man now that we are all straightend out.. its stupid to race on the street cause of new ga fines are sky rocket over certain speed. but i want a all around car no matter where i take it except off road that it will be relativly good in pretty much anything it does... i didnt know churches do car shows ... usually the ones i know are the good guys car show? in braselton.. my fam has wealth but i have yet to recieve it soo s. o. l for me

That's exactly why street racing is dumb, the fines you have to pay, fuck the law right?

[quickdodge®]

That's exactly why street racing is dumb, the fines you have to pay, fuck the law right?

That's what I was thinking. Fuck the fact the fact that it's dangerous and deadly. I don't NOT street race because of high fines. I don't street race because I don't want to kill anyone. Later, QD.

[Elbow]

I see Baby J came back to school me. :screwy:

[Me86Rob]

such a fucking ricer. if its got a 13b in it, leave the 13b in it. If you want something with pistons, put a 3tc in it. DO NOT put an Sr20 in it. DO NOT put an LS1 in it. I will murder you./thread

[EP3sAreFun]

seriously... just let it sink it for a moment...
http://tunermaneuvermag.com/wp-content/gallery/this-starlet-is-the-true-definition-of-old-skool/img_9590.jpg
lol

[BanginBlazer]

*sigh* this thread had potential for a good starlet discussion... oh well


it still can be if there isnt so much nonsense and drama

[BanginBlazer]

such a fucking ricer. if its got a 13b in it, leave the 13b in it. If you want something with pistons, put a 3tc in it. DO NOT put an Sr20 in it. DO NOT put an LS1 in it. I will murder you./thread

who are u to tell me what not to put in my car isnt there a thing called uniqueness and being original and not following every one if some one wants to put in a ls1 or rotary let them do not bitch and complain how u will murder them and if u have a problem with it take it up with me personally do not waste space and ppls time with your crap... u ruined this thread thanks

[grizz311]

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