All motor B16A j-spec build. Did I go wrong somewhere? poinions needed!

[r.etheridge]

Hi, I started building this engine a very long time ago like in 99-00 so a lot of my parts that had to be "custom made" are shelf stocked parts now. I got a lot of neg. feed back about this build from another forum but was wondering what you guys thought about it. This is what I have on it.
1.6L DOHC V-tec J-spec. The block has been bored to .030. Darton solid deck sleeves, Arias custom made pistons (dome) and rings, venom intake manifold, fuel injectors, fuel rail, and cam gears. Unorthodox under drive pulley set, Holley 68mm throttle body and fuel pressure regulator, Crower rods, street/strip cams, titanium springs and retainers, manley custom made valves, Air Mass comp blue headers, Jet performance worked the ecu to work with all aftermarket parts. Stage 2 port and polish, 5 angle valve job, port match manifold to head and throttle body to manifold done by Fox Lake out of CA. Cometic custom made head gasket( can withstand up to 150 shot of nitrous) zex nitrous spark plugs, moroso aluminum oil pan. Was originally setting it up for gas but never got to drop her in before I totaled out the civic. The engine is still sitting in my garage as we speak. So did I got wrong somewhere?

[silverDA]

any pics?

[Turbodude06]

Other then the stage 2 port and polish i don't think so lol...... Why has it taken u so long to do something with this motor??? Thats a long time for a motor to sit...

[r.etheridge]

Other then the stage 2 port and polish i don't think so lol...... Why has it taken u so long to do something with this motor??? Thats a long time for a motor to sit...
idk, I really just got out of the car scene after I totaled the civic out. And I got into racing motorcycles. Are you saying that the port and polish was a waste of $$?

[r.etheridge]

I think I got the port and polish for free or for really cheap anyway since I got so much other work done by fox lake.

[Vteckidd]

Ecu is crap I'd go with hondata or Crome
venom intake manifold is crap and too big for b16
Header is crap

everything else looks ok

[Turbodude06]

idk, I really just got out of the car scene after I totaled the civic out. And I got into racing motorcycles. Are you saying that the port and polish was a waste of $$?

Nah man I'm just messing with u I just never heard of porting jobs in stages.... Anyways what do u plan on putting that in??? An Vteckidd is right about the Ecu, Manifold, and header over the years people have just figured out what works best:goodjob:

[civicnick]

looks like a good build with the exception of the ecu. if this is going to be a race motor only i would definately change the header out

[00 blk G20t]

so did you like the jet tune on your car? i always heard they dont do anything to it and charge you out the ass.

[r.etheridge]

Nah man I'm just messing with u I just never heard of porting jobs in stages.... Anyways what do u plan on putting that in??? An Vteckidd is right about the Ecu, Manifold, and header over the years people have just figured out what works best:goodjob:
I cant figure out if I want to sell it or try and find a body to drop it in like a older civic hatch. I originally was putting it into a civic del sol 93. All badges off, trying to make it a total sleeper. But who knows.

[r.etheridge]

looks like a good build with the exception of the ecu. if this is going to be a race motor only i would definately change the header out
it was ment to be a race motor but used as a dd as well.

[r.etheridge]

so did you like the jet tune on your car? i always heard they dont do anything to it and charge you out the ass.
I never got to find out what it would do because I never dropped it in anything. The motor has 0 miles on it.

[r.etheridge]

Ecu is crap I'd go with hondata or Crome
venom intake manifold is crap and too big for b16
Header is crap

everything else looks ok
thanks for the info man. Im just trying to get kinda an idea of what parts are good now of days. I wonder why there was so much hype on these venom intake manifolds when they first came out around 2000 and they are not worth the crap? I knew I should have went with the skunk2. You think I would be better off using the stock j-spec manifold and getting it port matched to the 68mm TB I have?

[Jdm94Coupe]

since you say the block is sleeved i say go turbo. you wont be happy with the money you've spent compared to your results.....

I say sell it all.......make a goal, plan, and find out what parts work best in 2010....

[Black4DrEK]

B16 FTW

[Jdm94Coupe]

B16 FTW

i hope you are joking.....

[r.etheridge]

since you say the block is sleeved i say go turbo. you wont be happy with the money you've spent compared to your results.....

I say sell it all.......make a goal, plan, and find out what parts work best in 2010....
I like the NA or a heavy shot of gas. Everybody and their brother runs turbos now a days and ive heard it takes a great deal of $$ to get them tuned right. Im just really courious as to what this engine would do NA just really dont have the $$ to find a body right now and with a baby on the way, not sure if I will have the $$ anytime soon or time. Im not trying to start completely over just would like to see this motor in a car.

[Jdm94Coupe]

sleeved block=big money........ but i catch ur drift, let us know how it comes....

[r.etheridge]

sleeved block=big money........ but i catch ur drift, let us know how it comes....
Yeah the sleeved block is a def. plus. Do you think I would be better off running the stock intake manifold? and do you think the stock honda crank will be able to handle this motor?

[Jdm94Coupe]

i think the crank will be good.... i would try to trade the IM u got and go blox, skunk2, or aebs i think it is for those b16 heads..... stock will be fine as well......

[r.etheridge]

Im still undecied if im going to keep it or sell it. I heard the skunk2 IM's are a good fit for the B series heads and they are not redicilously priced.

[Turbodude06]

I've never been a huge fan of intake manifolds, cause to me they don't make that big of a difference, But I would go with the stock ported or a skunk 2......

[Jdm94Coupe]

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[Vteckidd]

NA you'll be lucky to make 180whp IMO with your mods. B16 is the worst motor for na. Since it's sleeved Nitrous is your only salvation IMO

what do you want what's your goal and what car is this in?

[Turbodude06]

NA you'll be lucky to make 180whp IMO with your mods. B16 is the worst motor for na. Since it's sleeved Nitrous is your only salvation IMO

what do you want what's your goal and what car is this in?


X2^ B16's are fun stock thats about it(like a stock D16 till the all powerfull VTEC KICKS IN YO lol)... :2cents:

[Starrfire]

Yeah the sleeved block is a def. plus. Do you think I would be better off running the stock intake manifold? and do you think the stock honda crank will be able to handle this motor?

The stock sleeves would have been able to handle "this motor". You went a little overboard with a b16. you probably won't make 190 whp unless you are really lucky and have a generous dyno, and the torque will still be low. So for the money you have picked the wrong platform for performance vs. price. I think an itr IM would be better for this setup. maybe Sk pro 1's. And Hondata.

Ps. My buddy will sell his entire nitrous kit for a good price if you feel its not enough for you.:cheers:

[r.etheridge]

NA you'll be lucky to make 180whp IMO with your mods. B16 is the worst motor for na. Since it's sleeved Nitrous is your only salvation IMO

what do you want what's your goal and what car is this in? With that being said, I might just sell it then. I heard that rhe solid deck sleeves are great for turbos. Ive also been told that to run a turbo on this motor all I would need to do for internals is change out my dome top pistons for flat tops. Is that true?

[r.etheridge]

The stock sleeves would have been able to handle "this motor". You went a little overboard with a b16. you probably won't make 190 whp unless you are really lucky and have a generous dyno, and the torque will still be low. So for the money you have picked the wrong platform for performance vs. price. I think an itr IM would be better for this setup. maybe Sk pro 1's. And Hondata.

Ps. My buddy will sell his entire nitrous kit for a good price if you feel its not enough for you.:cheers:
but the solid deck sleeves def. are not hurting anything. I mean, they are there for preventing the cylinder walls from flexing right?

[r.etheridge]

I just came across some interesting info. I guy I know that went to uti, now works at a shop, had a similiar built b16a as the one that I had. He made dyno passes with 2 different IM on it( SK2, venom). He said the sk2 made 11 and the venom made 17. I didnt see paperwork on it but idk. most people hate the venom IM but some say they are awesome on the b16a

[r.etheridge]

The stock sleeves would have been able to handle "this motor". You went a little overboard with a b16. you probably won't make 190 whp unless you are really lucky and have a generous dyno, and the torque will still be low. So for the money you have picked the wrong platform for performance vs. price. I think an itr IM would be better for this setup. maybe Sk pro 1's. And Hondata.

Ps. My buddy will sell his entire nitrous kit for a good price if you feel its not enough for you.:cheers:
Ok let me make sure all my facts are right. A stock B16A j-spec is making 160-170 hp and 130-140whp. your saying that with pretty much all aftermarket parts on this motor, that I will only be making 40-50 whp. I dont understand that at all.

[punkr6]

there is nothing but fail to be found here....

[r.etheridge]

there is nothing but fail to be found here....
ok. Im just asking questions to gain more knowledge for myself on what works best with these b16a engines now a days. If you dont have anything helpful to add to this thread then why say anything?

[Starrfire]

Ok let me make sure all my facts are right. A stock B16A j-spec is making 160-170 hp and 130-140whp. your saying that with pretty much all aftermarket parts on this motor, that I will only be making 40-50 whp. I dont understand that at all.


Well that's just the nature of this beast. Not a big power maker. Not as much displacement as larger engines so big cams slow down intake velocities compared to say a b20 vtec which with more displacement and the same large cams would make much better power; and the vtec engagement point could probably be lowered a couple of hundred rpms b/c it wouldn't have a big dip in power because the air not slowing down as much as the anemic b16.

[r.etheridge]

Well that's just the nature of this beast. Not a big power maker. Not as much displacement as larger engines so big cams slow down intake velocities compared to say a b20 vtec which with more displacement and the same large cams would make much better power; and the vtec engagement point could probably be lowered a couple of hundred rpms b/c it wouldn't have a big dip in power because the air not slowing down as much as the anemic b16.
That makes since but its bored.030 over so wouldnt that take my 1.6l to a 2.0 or 2.1?

[punkr6]

That makes since but its bored.030 over so wouldnt that take my 1.6l to a 2.0 or 2.1?

no, you need rod stroke...

[Vteckidd]

If it's 84mm b16 then it's a 1.8l

you can't go 2.0 on a b16 unless you stroke it. With tht header andcams and ecu I doubt you'll make over 180-185

[Turbodude06]

That makes since but its bored.030 over so wouldnt that take my 1.6l to a 2.0 or 2.1?

I think that makes it like a 1.7-1.8L..... Dude I would just throw this in a car and run it IMO:goodjob:


EDIT: ^Beat me to it lol...

[r.etheridge]

They are 84mm. I see what you guys are saying. I might be just better off parting this thing out then huh?

[punkr6]

They are 84mm. I see what you guys are saying. I might be just better off parting this thing out then huh?

seeing the light are we. Good Call.....

[Vteckidd]

You're going to have to put more money in it to get it where you want it.

What kind of power do you want?

My stock itr b18c5 made 202/159 with a header. I doubt your b16 will be close to that to put things in perspective

[r.etheridge]

You're going to have to put more money in it to get it where you want it.

What kind of power do you want?

My stock itr b18c5 made 202/159 with a header. I doubt your b16 will be close to that to put things in perspective
yeah I hear ya on that man. I think im jusr going to part it out. Im having another kid. After that, I would like to build a H22.

[Vteckidd]

yEah I hate to be brutally honest but sometimes it's best to hear. Things from 5-10 years ago are just so vastly outdated compared to what's out there today.

Good Luck and thanks for taking the criticism in stride :thumbup:

[r.etheridge]

Im just glad no one got real ugly with me about this thread. I posted the same kinda thread about 3 months ago on another forum and they were complete a**holes! Just because I wanted to ask a few questions about my motor and some of the parts on it. They pretty much told me I should throw everything away on this motor that none of it was worth the crap. Atleast you guys explained why! lol thanks to all for the input. Now does this forum have a classifieds section where I can sell these parts or should I put them on CL and Ebay?

[NEMO]

this is where you would sale acura/honda parts http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=177

[KevinT707]

Go BIG or go home, BOOST it. Nitrous is only temporary and it runs out, also needs tuning (especially on big shots) to make it most efficient.

[r.etheridge]

this is where you would sale acura/honda parts http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=177
im not sure they will let me sell because im a new member but I will try. thanks

[MongolPup]

Everybody and their brother runs turbos now a days and ive heard it takes a great deal of $$ to get them tuned right.

Normally when a lot of people do something, it's for a good reason. I would rather be "like everyone else" and have a faster car than those that are "different" and make less power for more money. Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's useful.

[Black4DrEK]

i hope you are joking.....


NOPE.. Not kidding...

B16 FTW

[allmotorX]

X2^

[Jdm94Coupe]

NOPE.. Not kidding...

B16 FTW

u should be...... :lmfao:


X2^

u2, :lmfao:

[allmotorX]

Well like i say we all have opinions i know my b16 would prolly walk all over watever you have now!! If i still had it

[punkr6]

Well like i say we all have opinions i know my b16 would prolly walk all over watever you have now!! If i still had it

trust me it wouldn't.....

[allmotorX]

trust me it wouldn't.....
Unless he has a kswap or a ridiculous built b it would!

[r.etheridge]

Normally when a lot of people do something, it's for a good reason. I would rather be "like everyone else" and have a faster car than those that are "different" and make less power for more money. Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's useful.
Your right, there was just not enough information/parts/knowledge out there at the time that I started this build ( atleast on the east coast) so I pretty much had to take what aftermarket parts I could get my hands on or get parts custom made. I got a few parts custom made and It costs me way more then you would pay for the same part, or a better part now. Young and dumb what else can I say..... If I could have got it together within a couple of years, it would have been someting special at the time but when I totaled out the civic, it kinda drained my hopes.

[punkr6]

Unless he has a kswap or a ridiculous built b it would!

turbo d built by me, ready when you are.....

[Black4DrEK]

LOL..

yea the D needs turbo to do ANYTHING!!

I love when folks make fun of B16's.. yall are so cute.

[Starrfire]

I don't make fun of them, but I wouldn't have one. It is just as easy to go bigger in the same series of engines and make more power.

[Black4DrEK]

True.. BUT.. GSR vs B16..

Most folks will say GSR.. I have seen PLENTY times B16 run on GSR even SOME type R's..

SURE they lack TQ.. But MOST hondas dont even USE the damn TQ because they are reving them up pretty damn high.. HP..

[Black4DrEK]

I don't make fun of them, but I wouldn't have one. It is just as easy to go bigger in the same series of engines and make more power.


What swap do you have in your EG?

[Starrfire]

H2b in one, and in the other a mild build gsr which I am building a b20 bottom end for.

[Black4DrEK]

H2b in one, and in the other a mild build gsr which I am building a b20 bottom end for.

SWEET!

Sounds fun:goodjob:

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL..

yea the D needs turbo to do ANYTHING!!

I love when folks make fun of B16's.. yall are so cute.

And the B16's need a new bottom end to do anything! The point is the few of us on here who know anything know its not going to make many people very happy to do a n/a b16 build, the same as a n/a d series build..... yea you can dump tons of money into one and make it stout, but why do that when you probably couldve built 2 motors in the meantime faster than the b16 ever could be.

This is the bottom line. If your car has a SOHC in it, turbo it. Don't waste thousands swapping and modifying a b series, only to still not be fast at all. If you wanna go n/a, you pretty much have 3 solid options, give or take a few......

1. LS/Vtec.... and nitrous if u want
2. B20/Vtec...... nitrous if u nasty!
3. H2B.....

No need to go K, unless u wanna blow $....... just my opinion

[Black4DrEK]

^ and to go LSV or B20V you need TONS of cash IF you want to build it the CORRECT way also..

All in all.. ALL Honda motors need MONEY into them to go "fast". like it or not..

[Jdm94Coupe]

^ and to go LSV or B20V you need TONS of cash IF you want to build it the CORRECT way also..

All in all.. ALL Honda motors need MONEY into them to go "fast". like it or not..

you must not know what you are talking about......

[NEMO]

True.. BUT.. GSR vs B16..

Most folks will say GSR.. I have seen PLENTY times B16 run on GSR even SOME type R's..

SURE they lack TQ.. But MOST hondas dont even USE the damn TQ because they are reving them up pretty damn high.. HP..
sometimes i wish i still had my LS. I would have loved to run your B16 in my LS. out of the all the B16 i ran with my LS there wasnt one to beat me. and my LS was stock.

LS=$500

[Jdm94Coupe]

sometimes i wish i still had my LS. I would have loved to run your B16 in my LS. out of the all the B16 i ran with my LS there wasnt one to beat me. and my LS was stock.

LS=$500

ls bottom end=$100....... CHEAP

[jew_boy]

is this the motor that was on warner robins, craigslist for like three thousand, blue and white valve cover?

[Black4DrEK]

you must not know what you are talking about......


ok well slap a vtec head on a Ls or B20 bottom end with out shit to back it up.. Rev that bitch up high.. BOOM!

Whateva man..Your the shit i forgot!;)

[Jdm94Coupe]

ok well slap a vtec head on a Ls or B20 bottom end with out shit to back it up.. Rev that bitch up high.. BOOM!

Whateva man..Your the shit i forgot!;)

Arp rod bolts=$50.... :lmfao:

[r.etheridge]

is this the motor that was on warner robins, craigslist for like three thousand, blue and white valve cover?
yeah same one

[93delsol15]

change the tune run the stock intake mani and buy a header and you should be just fine

[r.etheridge]

change the tune run the stock intake mani and buy a header and you should be just fine
im parting it out but I gotta wait until march to do it on this forum. its on atl craigslist for now under B16A part out if anybody wants to check it out