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stillaneon
02-09-2010, 10:05 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos?GT1=43001



TOKYO - Toyota says it is recalling about 437,000 Prius and other hybrid vehicles worldwide to fix brake problems — the latest in a string of embarrassing safety lapses at the world's largest automaker.
"I don't see Toyota as an infallible company that never makes mistakes," President Akio Toyoda said at a news conference Tuesday. "We will face up to the facts and correct the problem, putting customers' safety and convenience first."
With the Prius announcement, the number of vehicles recalled globally by Toyota Motor Corp. has ballooned to 8.5 million, including for floor mats (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos?GT1=43001#) which can trap gas pedals and faulty gas pedals that are slow to return to the idle position. The 2010 Prius wasn't part of the earlier recalls.
There have been about 200 complaints in Japan and the U.S. about a delay when the brakes in the Prius were pressed in cold conditions and on some bumpy roads. The delay doesn't indicate a brake failure. The company says the problem can be fixed in 40 minutes with new software that oversees the controls of the antilock brakes.


"Let me assure everyone that we will redouble our commitment to quality as the lifeline of our company," Toyoda said.
U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement Tuesday that Toyota's leaders have assured him they are taking safety concerns "very seriously." The statement said LaHood's agency will stay in constant communication with Toyota to hold the company to its promise.
Also, State Farm, the largest auto (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos?GT1=43001#) insurer in the U.S., said it alerted federal regulators late in 2007 about a rise in reports of unexpected acceleration in Toyota vehicles. Congressional investigators are looking into whether the government missed warning signs.
Toyota officials went to Japan's Transport Ministry earlier Tuesday to formally notify officials the company is recalling the 2010 Prius gas-electric hybrid — the world's top-selling hybrid car. The automaker is also recalling two other hybrid models in Japan, the Lexus (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos?GT1=43001#) HS250h sedan, sold in the U.S. and Japan, and the Sai, which is sold only in Japan.


The 223,000 cars being recalled in Japan include nearly 200,000 Priuses sold from April last year through Monday, according to papers the automaker filed with the ministry. The Prius is Japan's top-selling car.
In the U.S., Toyota will recall 133,000 Prius cars and 14,500 Lexus HS250h vehicles. Nearly 53,000 Priuses are also being recalled in Europe. Toyota is suspending production of the Sai and Lexus HS250h in Japan until the updated software for those models is ready.
If drivers experience a delayed reaction when depressing the brakes in any of these models, they should keep pressing, according to Toyota and the transport ministry.
The Prius repairs will start in Japan on Wednesday. U.S. owners will start receiving letters about the recall next week.
Toyoda, the president, has been criticized for being largely invisible during the two weeks after the company announced Jan. 21 the gas pedal (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos?GT1=43001#) recall in the U.S., Europe and China.
He apologized at his first public news conference last Friday, but was criticized by the Japanese media for failing to outline concrete steps to tackle the safety crisis and reassure customers.
In contrast to his halting English in response to questions from foreign reporters at last week's news conference, Toyoda seemed much better prepared Tuesday, reading from an English statement after doing so in Japanese.
"We will do everything in our power to regain the confidence of our customers," Toyoda said.
He said he planned to go to the U.S. soon to talk with American workers and dealers to bring the ranks together.
Analysts said fears of an even bigger consumer backlash prodded Toyota into recalling the Prius.
"If they hadn't done the recalls, their image would have suffered even more," said Ryoichi Saito, auto analyst at Mizuho Investors Securities in Tokyo.
The Japanese transport minister rapped Toyota as reacting too slowly, and said he was meeting U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos on Wednesday to exchange views about Toyota's recalls and make sure U.S.-Japan relations remained on good terms.
"The consideration for customers was lacking in Toyota," Seiji Maehara told reporters, after a meeting with Toyoda. "We hope this never happens again."
Toyoda, who visited the minister after his news conference, apologized and explained the recalls, Maehara said.
U.S. safety officials are investigating the brake problem.
It is suspected in four crashes resulting in two minor injuries, according to data gathered by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administrationhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos/page/2/#). Toyota says it's cooperating with NHTSA's investigation.
Also Tuesday, Toyota said it will voluntarily recall about 7,300 four-cylinder Camry (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos/page/2/#) sedans produced early in the 2010 model year because of a possible brake fluid leak. Dealers will inspect the cars for a power steering hose that could come in contact with a brake tube, causing a leak. The leak means it could take longer for the vehicle to stop, the company said. Owners will get letters starting in mid-February.
Problems with hybrid braking systems haven't been limited to Toyota.
Ford Motor Co. said last week it plans to fix 17,600 Mercury Milanhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos/page/2/#) and Ford Fusion gas-electric hybrids because of a software problem that can give drivers the impression that the brakes have failed. The automaker says the problem occurs in transition between two braking systems and at no time are drivers without brakes.
Toyota's plug-in hybrid is also being recalled in Japan, Europe and the U.S., but in small numbers because it is a largely experimental model for rental and government use.
The Prius holds a cherished spot in Toyota's vehicle lineup and is symbolic of its leadership in the "green" car market.
The Toyota executive overseeing quality, Shinichi Sasaki, said the delay that Prius drivers can feel when braking lasts for a fraction of a second as the antilock brakes kick in.
The problem happens only on snowy or bumpy surfaces, and the complaints did not become more numerous until winter, Sasaki said.


But Toyoda acknowledged the company could have done better in picking up on the complaints, managing the crisis and sending a message to car owners on a fix.
In the U.S., Toyota will add five more centers in addition to the current three that investigate customer complaints, Sasaki said.
"When compared to the size of Japan, America is so much bigger and so our network for gathering information was not enough," he said.
Toyota was one of the first companies to mass-market a hybrid that combines an electric motor with a gas engine, introducing the Prius in Japan in 1997. Its high gas mileage made it popular among environmentally conscious drivers, especially when gas prices spiked two years ago.
But the complexity of the Prius, a highly computerized car, has led to problems in the past. In 2005, the company repaired 75,000 of them to fix software glitches that caused the engine to stall. It has also had trouble with headlights going out.
Shares in Toyota rose 2.9 percent Tuesday to 3,375 yen, but are still down about 20 percent since Jan. 21, when it announced the gas pedal (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35278742/ns/business-autos/page/2/#) recall.


437,000 more Toyotas with issues...:eek:

Nemesis
02-09-2010, 10:14 AM
It really sucks to see this from Toyota (since I really like that company along with Nissan), shit happens, but damn when it hits the fan it hits the fan. Expect to see suicides in Japan over this shit lol



Kind of funny though that if it was a domestic company going through this, people would be all "well what did you expect" around here.

stillaneon
02-09-2010, 10:20 AM
It really sucks to see this from Toyota (since I really like that company along with Nissan), shit happens, but damn when it hits the fan it hits the fan. Expect to see suicides in Japan over this shit lol



Kind of funny though that if it was a domestic company going through this, people would be all "well what did you expect" around here.


I agree. If this was Ford, Chevy or Dodge, people would be cracking about how our cars are cheap and that's why everyone should ride "jdm tyte".

People don't realize that it's become a more agressive market and American made cars are now becoming more affordable and usually have more options than their import rivals...

Mike Lowrey
02-09-2010, 11:12 AM
Kind of funny though that if it was a domestic company going through this, people would be all "well what did you expect" around here.

Because if it was Ford, etc. they would have waited until a 100 people died first....lol

BKgen®
02-09-2010, 11:30 AM
L :bigsmilie L

40th GT
02-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Well I guess when you're #1, the only way left to go is DOWN.

http://www.polishcultureacpc.org/orgs/AmericanFlag.jpg

5speed
02-09-2010, 10:51 PM
Because if it was Ford, etc. they would have waited until a 100 people died first....lol

Your SIG is pretty awesome

blaknoize
02-09-2010, 10:53 PM
I mean... I dont really see why this is such a big deal. At least the ARE recalling the things the produced to correct a problem that is safety related.

I mean... I believe it only bolsters your image as a company that is committed to it standards. May as well fix all now rather than later or create a cover up story and phone-tag the customers with run arounds. Toyota has balled up and is taking is all, fixing it all and dealing with it.

5speed
02-09-2010, 10:54 PM
I mean... I dont really see why this is such a big deal. At least the ARE recalling the things the produced to correct a problem that is safety related.

I mean... I believe it only bolsters your image as a company that is committed to it standards. May as well fix all now rather than later or create a cover up story and phone-tag the customers with run arounds. Toyota has balled up and is taking is all, fixing it all and dealing with it.

Exactly, atleast they fix their problems unlike some companies. Ummuummm bmw cough cough

Nubz
02-09-2010, 10:54 PM
he must be in a toyota...
whythefuckamipostingthis.

http://i50.tinypic.com/zyf11j.gif

Kourt
02-09-2010, 10:55 PM
On a side note, I saw you today :ninja:

BKgen®
02-09-2010, 11:41 PM
I mean... I dont really see why this is such a big deal. At least the ARE recalling the things the produced to correct a problem that is safety related.

I mean... I believe it only bolsters your image as a company that is committed to it standards. May as well fix all now rather than later or create a cover up story and phone-tag the customers with run arounds. Toyota has balled up and is taking is all, fixing it all and dealing with it.

Excuses, excuses....

blaknoize
02-09-2010, 11:52 PM
I dont even own a toyota, matter a fact I dont own a car. .89miles to work bish, 1mile to Kroger bish, .76miles to the video store bish, 2miles to walmart bish, fuk a car

©hris
02-10-2010, 11:02 AM
add honda to the list.,... Airbags... like 600,000 i think

Nemesis
02-10-2010, 11:08 AM
add honda to the list.,... Airbags... like 600,000 i think

Yep, this time when airbags deploy, shrapnel gets thrown at the drivers FACE lol

stillaneon
02-10-2010, 12:06 PM
On a side note, I saw you today :ninja:

Saw me?

Kourt
02-10-2010, 12:12 PM
Saw me?


Yeah, I was leaving tanger and you were getting in your car at work

stillaneon
02-10-2010, 12:20 PM
Yeah, I was leaving tanger and you were getting in your car at work

ahhhh Did you honk??

ISAtlanta300
02-10-2010, 02:07 PM
The silver lining is that they will focus more (or again) on quality, which may now further strengthen the brand......

40th GT
02-10-2010, 07:16 PM
I dont even own a toyota, matter a fact I dont own a car. .89miles to work bish, 1mile to Kroger bish, .76miles to the video store bish, 2miles to walmart bish, fuk a car
That's gotta be nice.

The Ninja
02-10-2010, 07:22 PM
I mean... I dont really see why this is such a big deal. At least the ARE recalling the things the produced to correct a problem that is safety related.

I mean... I believe it only bolsters your image as a company that is committed to it standards. May as well fix all now rather than later or create a cover up story and phone-tag the customers with run arounds. Toyota has balled up and is taking is all, fixing it all and dealing with it.

Yea...I wish more people viewed it this way. Their stock took a big hit, =(

BanginJimmy
02-10-2010, 09:42 PM
Yea...I wish more people viewed it this way. Their stock took a big hit, =(

I am hoping the downward trend continues until friday because I plan to pick up a few shares. Toyota is a very well managed corporation and they will regain their stature within the year and their stock will be back to the same point it was before all this by the time 3rd quarter earnings are released.

Whiteboy572
02-10-2010, 09:44 PM
3 for 3, I work at toyota as a tech and now there talking about recalling EPS, electronic power steering, motors or racks soon on the newest corolla. I work 7:30am-9pm and making the dough with all these recalls! In the end its a car and will be fixed. Whens the last time you heard a recall of GMs? Go do a search, i think you will be suprised. Theres actually a problem that my dd cobalt has with the steering column, did i receive a letter in the mail about it as toyota has been doing on every little recall? Nope... FYI the motors in the eps on the hybrid camry and hybrid highlander was a TSB (recall) a while back but didnt hear about it. Electric power steering motors is more dangerous, ie head on traffic, than an accelerator sticking. Key off/neutral and stop. In light of this recall i STILL am seeing floor mats wedged between, on top of and every other sort position on the gas pedal itself.

trajedy
02-11-2010, 05:51 PM
honda now has the recalls too. :ninja:

5speed
02-11-2010, 06:02 PM
3 for 3, I work at toyota as a tech and now there talking about recalling EPS, electronic power steering, motors or racks soon on the newest corolla. I work 7:30am-9pm and making the dough with all these recalls! In the end its a car and will be fixed. Whens the last time you heard a recall of GMs? Go do a search, i think you will be suprised. Theres actually a problem that my dd cobalt has with the steering column, did i receive a letter in the mail about it as toyota has been doing on every little recall? Nope... FYI the motors in the eps on the hybrid camry and hybrid highlander was a TSB (recall) a while back but didnt hear about it. Electric power steering motors is more dangerous, ie head on traffic, than an accelerator sticking. Key off/neutral and stop. In light of this recall i STILL am seeing floor mats wedged between, on top of and every other sort position on the gas pedal itself.

Yeah no body paid any attention to the cobalt, malibu, and other GM cars that were recalled.