hermaphrodites where do they go?

[4dmin]

hermaphrodites where do they go? you got some he/she; doctor cuts the wang, he/she lives as a woman banging dudes, but IT is a he/she... where the fuck does an abomination like that go??? (*friend of mine asked) :thinking:

[metalman]

Go?
Are you asking whether people with birth defects go to hell...heaven...paradise....hades....pugatory....W almart....Sears....somewhere else???
Or am I misunderstanding the question?

[quickdodge®]

You're obviously misunderstanding the question. We are in a "religion" forum so it would stand to reason as where they would go.

Well.....Paul....If Dr. Caner or Pastor Hunt will allow me, I'll field this one. I think that theis person would probably spend a few years in Heaven without any knowledge that it will be temporary. Heshe gets all comfortable up there, maxing and shit and then God strolls by and asks it how it likes Heaven. After the response, God then commands the skies to darken and in that instant, heshe is vanishes, only to reappear in the bowels of Hell.

That's what I think happens. Later, QD.

[4dmin]

^ QD make me laugh :goodjob:

i mean say you have a he/she living as either sex but they are born the other... engaging in sexual relations w/ either sex would be the same sex; which is against the bible - right? so where shall they go? its an abomination made by GOD...

[metalman]

Rather then to follow that inane response with another I will simply say this....
In Biblical Christianity everyone, even hermaphrodites are judged according to their deeds, according to their 'heart'. Those who know whats right yet do wrong will certainly not be rewarded with good. On the other hand, those who have no idea are not condemned by "rules" they truly know nothing of. Willful ignorance is itself not an excuse or an escape. We humans have not the incite nor the ability to discern whether anyone is "living up to what they know"...thats why we arent the Judge and are instructed not to engage in judging when it comes to eternal matters. Clear enough?

[metalman]

its an abomination made by GOD...

You confuse the effects of sin with the creation of God.
God made man perfect...sin distorted and "killed" man...exactly like God said it would.

[quickdodge®]

Rather then to follow that inane response with another I will simply say this....


You fucked up. You followed mine with another inane response. Mine was much better. Later, QD.

[metalman]

I find it interesting that those that scoff at religion and claim not to believe in God/Jesus/Christianity etc etc always hang out in the religion forum.
If one truly does not believe one would have absolutely no interest in any discussion contained there at all. The fact that these "scoffers" and "unbelievers" almost always continue to ask questions would suggest very strongly they have serious doubts in their own positions....and understandably so.

[quickdodge®]

I find it interesting that those that scoff at religion and claim not to believe in God/Jesus/Christianity etc etc always hang out in the religion forum.
If one truly does not believe one would have absolutely no interest in any discussion contained there at all. The fact that these "scoffers" and "unbelievers" almost always continue to ask questions would suggest very strongly they have serious doubts in their own positions....and understandably so.

Hmmmmm. A "Christian" that prejudges and assumes. Who would have thought? Once again, since it seems you "Chrisitan" people can't read, I will say it. Except this time, I will type in LARGE FONT and bold letters:

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON'T BELIEVE? BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ON HOW YOU BELIEVE?

Can you read that? Later, QD.

[4dmin]

You confuse the effects of sin with the creation of God.
God made man perfect...sin distorted and "killed" man...exactly like God said it would.

you seem to like to talk in bibical phrases w/o answering the question... stop babbling on and give a straight forward answer. i already know everything you have posted, but you have clearly worked around answering the topic at hand.

if god is the creator and he creates a hermaphrodite - the hermaphrodite will live in sin now matter who he/she bangs??? so again where do they go???

[metalman]

I dont recall mentioning your name at all....nope I didnt.
Neither did I direct my comments to you.
Why are you even direct your comments to me? They were in general what I have observed in quite a few years of life. Its also interesting that you are guilty of the very thing you accuse me of...since you dont know me or what I believe. You have in fact "presumed" what I am and "prejudged" me. I dont think your problem, if indeed you have one, is with me at all.

[metalman]

if god is the creator and he creates a hermaphrodite - the hermaphrodite will live in sin now matter who he/she bangs??? so again where do they go???

The answer was clearly given..if not discernable to you.

According to Scripture...
God didnt create hermaphrodites...he created a perfect mankind.
Sin and the effects of it have since then caused the abnormalities such as described.
As to the sin....
As already answered, to sin requires two things, deeds and knowledge.

Now, you add it up.

[4dmin]

The answer was clearly given..if not discernable to you.

According to Scripture...
God didnt create hermaphrodites...he created a perfect mankind.
Sin and the effects of it have since then caused the abnormalities such as described.
As to the sin....
As already answered, to sin requires two things, deeds and knowledge.

Now, you add it up.

so your essentially saying that god only created adam and eve... everything to follow was tainted by sin; so is therfore not created by god? please spell this out in english b/c i don't understand what your getting at.

[ISAtlanta300]

The answer was clearly given..if not discernable to you.

According to Scripture...
God didnt create hermaphrodites...he created a perfect mankind.
Sin and the effects of it have since then caused the abnormalities such as described.
As to the sin....
As already answered, to sin requires two things, deeds and knowledge.

Now, you add it up.


Which basically mean that wether they be hermaphrodite or not, they are not excluded from sin or salvation. If they have sex outside of marriage, rape, murder etc they will not get into heaven. If they live according to the law of God and accept Jesus, they will be saved..

or something like that.....

[metalman]

According to the Biblical account....
How long were Adam, Eve and their descendants SUPPOSED to live?

Answer- Forever

That was the plan...as long as no one ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Once that was transgressed, all of mankind and nature for that matter began to decline, to suffer, to die. They then began to "know" evil and the effects of it. There were no physical abnormalities before sin. But after Eden they lived in a dying world with all the effects, disease, sadness, dying, crime, hard work, birth defects...etc etc etc none of which they knew before or would have ever known if but for sin.

To put it plainly all abnormalitites are the result of sin being allowed into the earth.
Before sin the serpent was confined to the tree, there were no temptations anywhere else. Thats why God told Adam and Eve not to even go near the tree, let alone eat of it.

My wife is a nurse. She works with infants. I can tell you there are many things that can go wacky (since sin) in the conception/intra-uterine growth/birth process that would have never been KNOWN to mankind if it wasnt for SIN.
Hermaphrodism is but one.

Now as for the "abomination" as you refered to it...I presume you are refering to gay sex which along with many other activities is condemned by the Bible.
According to Scripture, to sin requires two things....
Knowlege - "to know good and do it not, that is sin"
Action - This is Biblically defined as "trangression" of Gods laws

So to answer your question about the activity, if one knowingly engages in any action that trangresses Gods laws, without repentance, that soul will be lost. Do all hermaphrodites knowingly trangress Gods law? Theres no way for me to know this for sure but I doubt it.

[4dmin]

^ no i'm following you as far as scripture, but your missing the point... if you are born a hermaphrodite you are born both male/female... you are made in Gods image :: you are Gods children... how can you have any sexualy relations w/o causing sin if you are born both sexes??? anyone you screw would be a sin? follow me... so how can you not sin???

[metalman]

You missed my point....hermaphrodism is NOT in Gods Image.
According to Scripture, God created MALE and FEMALE, not shemale. ;)
Your premise isnt correct when held to the Bible.

[4dmin]

ok so what you are saying is God can create a retarded baby but not a hermaphrodite?

[metalman]

You keep asking the same question...the answer is the same.
God doesnt create defective beings, those are ALL the result of sin.

[4dmin]

ok we are all born into sin so how is this different where does it state in the bible all birth defects are not GODs creations???

you can be perfect christians and still have a hermaphrodite baby or a kid w/ down syndrome.

[quickdodge®]

I dont recall mentioning your name at all....nope I didnt.
Neither did I direct my comments to you.
Why are you even direct your comments to me? They were in general

Exactly why I respsonded.


Its also interesting that you are guilty of the very thing you accuse me of...since you dont know me or what I believe. You have in fact "presumed" what I am and "prejudged" me.

Ummm. I haven't prejudged you...yet.


I dont think your problem, if indeed you have one, is with me at all.

I don't have a problem at all. With or without you. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

God doesnt create defective beings, those are ALL the result of sin.


You see? This is where you "devout Christians" get me. Hypocritical as hell. In one instance, you say that all man is created in His image. The, like in this quote, you say he only created the ones that don't have problems. They are of sin. They are people too, you know. So which is it? Later, QD.

[metalman]

ok we are all born into sin so how is this different where does it state in the bible all birth defects are not GODs creations???

Youre kidding right? Rather then ask me the same question over and over why dont you study the Bible for yourself, its all there. Its gives a very clear account of Creation and how all things were created good & perfect. It also clearly teaches where sin came from and the effects of sin and how it will plague all of mankind until redemption is complete. Its all there for anyone who truly wants to know.


you can be perfect christians and still have a hermaphrodite baby or a kid w/ down syndrome.

Whats your point? You yourself said we are all born into sin...simply put, we are all born WITH the effects of sin. Read for example the ten commandments...who does it say will suffer from our iniquities?
Answer - our children, grand shildren, great grand children etc etc etc

Fact is we ALL...all earthly mankind are suffering FROM Adam and Eves trangression and the introduction of it into this world..and this includes retardation, birth defects, cancer, heart attacks, hermaphrodism, mental illness, jerrys kids....etc etc etc etc etc

Your making something complicated that is in fact very simple.
God created perfection, mans CHOICE screwed it up....for ALL of us.

[metalman]

You see? This is where you "devout Christians" get me. Hypocritical as hell.

Again with the judging and presuming...who said I was a devout christian? I sure didnt. And calling me a hypocrite...you would have no way of knowing such. You absolutely cannot read my heart or mind.


In one instance, you say that all man is created in His image. The, like in this quote, you say he only created the ones that don't have problems. They are of sin. They are people too, you know. So which is it? Later, QD.

There are none as blind as those who would rather not see. This question has already been answered. Shall I repeat it?

According to the Biblical account....
Mankind was created in perfection, they were to live forever in perfection.
That was the plan...as long as no one ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Once that sin took place, all of mankind and nature for that matter began to decline, to suffer, to die. They then began to "know" evil and the effects of it. There were no physical abnormalities before sin. But after Eden they lived in a dying world with all the effects, disease, sadness, dying, crime, hard work, birth defects...etc etc etc none of which they knew before or would have ever known if but for sin.

[4dmin]

who does it say will suffer from our iniquities?
Answer - our children, grand shildren, great grand children etc etc etc

birth defects are nothing more than an example of this?

Ok so we established we are born in sin; how can a freak such as this live as a christian? i would assume they can not?

[metalman]

birth defects are nothing more than an example of this?

yes among many other things


Ok so we established we are born in sin; how can a freak such as this live as a christian? i would assume they can not?

Same way anyone else can. How does a guy with one ball, or one kidney, or one arm, or one lung, or in a wheel chair, or one eye, or three eyes, etc etc
live as a christian?

By the grace of God and by his power. At least thats what the Bible says.

As for hermaphrodites, I'd be careful calling such people "freaks"
They are in fact usually either male or female which can be determined by X / Y chomosome testing. They just have malformed parts. All fetus's start with the same "equipment", normally at a certain time in development it changes because of chemical influence to either male or female. When that chemistry is screwed up you can get a hermaphrodite. One problem is, years ago chomosome testing was not possible and mistakes were made.

[4dmin]

yes among many other things



Same way anyone else can. How does a guy with one ball, or one kidney, or one arm, or one lung, or in a wheel chair, or one eye, or three eyes, etc etc
live as a christian?

By the grace of God and by his power. At least thats what the Bible says.

As for hermaphrodites, I'd be careful calling such people "freaks"
They are in fact usually either male or female which can be determined by X / Y chomosome testing. They just have malformed parts. All fetus's start with the same "equipment", normally at a certain time in development it changes because of chemical influence to either male or female. When that chemistry is screwed up you can get a hermaphrodite. One problem is, years ago chomosome testing was not possible and mistakes were made.

yes a little XXY and you have yourself a Clam & a Wang... but how can they live as a christian b/c any sexual relations and they would be having sex w/ the same sex... get me?

i guess they could be a nun/priest :lmfao:

[metalman]

yes a little XXY and you have yourself a Clam & a Wang... but how can they live as a christian b/c any sexual relations and they would be having sex w/ the same sex... get me?



Well actually not because they are either male OR female...not both.
As stated, they only have certain malformed parts.

If we cut off your balls and installed a clam in your taint you'd still be the same person, the same being you are now...you'd just have screwed up parts.

My wife has taken care of such people. They usually know exactly what they are just like you and I do, regardless of their physical problems.

[4dmin]

Well actually not because they are either male OR female...not both.


that is not always true: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/

by the way where is your wife a nurse?

[metalman]

Yes youre right, but notice I did say usually. The other type cases are rare.

My wife works at all different hospitals, Emory, Gwinnett, Crawford Long, Eggleston Scottish Right Children's Hospital etc etc

[4dmin]

^ my wife works for Egglston :goodjob:

[ahmonrah]

IMO. if someone is born with both sexes as opposed to being one or the other. the issues then becomes not whether or not their sexual orientation condemns them (hell, they are both, if they are true hermaphrodites) but how they live their life, just like you and me. if they are true hermaphrodites and they choose to sleep with male and female, i'd think that them being both, can sleep with either. but if they are an evil-asshole and treat people bad in life they, like us only have one place they can go. hell.

[AtifSajid]

lol..if you were born a man and you become a female because you "thought" you should be a female...hellbound.

Thats still the stupidest thing I have ever heard people talk about. I thought I should be a bitch or woman saying I think I should have been man...whatever..