RE audio

[Enjoi_yo]

Anyone know about their subs?

[TSiFTW]

Yes they are bad ass, especially the XXX. So are their counterpart amps US Amps, as long as you stay away from the Terminator series.

[Enjoi_yo]

How are the 15's.

[TSiFTW]

Which series? What is the model number. They are all really good. The higher end is sick though.

[AV8ter]

I like em. Have had a 12'' SE myself along with a 18'' XXX, and have installed a couple of SRs and HCs.

They are usually low in sesitivity but that doesn't stop them from getting loud as tits and sounding good doing it.

I did a 139.9 with a single 12'' SE at 40hz, and a 142.4 with a single 15'' SE at 35hz. All sealed up, on music, not test tones, in my teg. Guys at American Radio might remember me metering with them.

I need to run up to American Radio when I get the sealed box for my 18'' XXX done and see what that does off 2kw. Should be epic, no less.


Kevin

[AV8ter]

Here is an install I did with/for a friend. 1600rms. Sounds like a 146 to me, and will probably get up to a 150 once we drop it to half ohm.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x258/kevinamayne/DSC02761.jpg

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Kevin

[Enjoi_yo]

They are the SE's

[AV8ter]

What size? What amp you got fro them?

Got a box yet? I would do 4-5 cubes(Shoot for 5) tuned to 32-34hz.


Kevin

[Enjoi_yo]

2 15's in a ported box. I'm borrowing a 1800 wat amp until i can get a better one.

[AV8ter]

What car is going in?


Kevin

[Enjoi_yo]

A nissan versa

[AV8ter]

You'll need to go with a sealed box in order to get the proper airspace for those woofers. They will still be unbearable sealed. AKA, Loud as tits.....

[Enjoi_yo]

What do you mean by proper air space?

[AV8ter]

Every sub has an optimal environment for bass reproduction. I would be willing to bet whatever 2 15'' ported box you have it not optimal for the SEs and would likely sound like ass/diarrhea.

[Enjoi_yo]

Alright. It's not hooked up yet but I might start looking for a sealed box.

[TSiFTW]

That shit sill be loud in a Versa. My wife has one LOL.

[Enjoi_yo]

haha. I have had a lot of offers on it so I might end up selling it and getting something smaller after a couple weeks of weird looks driving down the road.

[lovinmydodge]

hey kevin r u on CSF.NET? jw lol this looks familiar & I Ran a XXX 15 off a jl 1000/1 & It did a 149.3 sealed the xxx line is unlike anything i've ever heard. its scary down low

[AV8ter]

hey kevin r u on CSF.NET? jw lol this looks familiar & I Ran a XXX 15 off a jl 1000/1 & It did a 149.3 sealed the xxx line is unlike anything i've ever heard. its scary down low

Naw. I am on CA.com, CACO.org, DIYmobileaudio.com, and meade's forum. I am sure you saw me on there. It did a 149 on a TL? Really? I have 2kw to throw at my 18 sealed, and I was going to be happy if it did a 142 lol. I guess I am going to need to keep an extra change of underwear in the car with me at all times.

We need to meet up man.

You sure you didn't mean a 139.3? Damn!


Kevin

[AV8ter]

Oh...... Did you mean sealed as in windows up?

I am going to do a sealed box because that is all I can fit in the trunk for an 18, but I will a have a bigger ported box for when I want to pull out the rear seats cause they come out easy. Ported for me has no reason to be in the upper 140s, closing in on the 150.


Kevin

[alpine_aw11]

RE subs are definitely the best for the price, and will outperform most of their more expensive counterparts. I'm about to purchase a SXX. One ten is going to shake the fuck out of my DSM, gotta love hatchbacks.

[AV8ter]

RE subs are definitely the best for the price, and will outperform most of their more expensive counterparts. I'm about to purchase a SXX. One ten is going to shake the fuck out of my DSM, gotta love hatchbacks.


You already get the ssx? How much does it cost?


Kevin

[alpine_aw11]

You already get the ssx? How much does it cost?


Kevin

Not yet, it's just on the list. I'm shopping around, it seems the prices have went up from what I remember when RE first came out. I have a Type R in the trunk that is definitely satisfactory for now so I'm in no rush. And I meant SX, not ssx. I'm guessing the ssx is a new model.

[AV8ter]

Yeah the Sxx is the new model. Id try to find a sx cause you can recone those once you blow them up, the new ones are not really reconable.


kevin

[alpine_aw11]

Well shit if it's gonna blow up I dont want to buy it lol. That's what I love about my Type R, amazing sound for 100 bucks and I've beat the shit out of it for 3 years without an issue.

[Scott P]

RE subs are definitely the best for the price, and will outperform most of their more expensive counterparts. I'm about to purchase a SXX. One ten is going to shake the fuck out of my DSM, gotta love hatchbacks.


Wanna bet on that? there is a reason why RE isn't used in the competition lanes.. . . .

[alpine_aw11]

Wanna bet on that? there is a reason why RE isn't used in the competition lanes.. . . .

What's better for their price range? If it exists, please do tell so I can buy it. Hopefully you aren't planning on saying DD.

And I should rephrase my original statement, RE sounds better than all of the major brands' more expensive offerings that I have personally heard. I'm sure you're going to tell me about something I've never heard of.

[BanginJimmy]

2 15's in a ported box. I'm borrowing a 1800 wat amp until i can get a better one.

I have a US Amps DE-3000 sitting unused at the house right now of you are interested.

[BanginBlazer]

im looking for a new amp whats its gonna cost me?

[AV8ter]

im looking for a new amp whats its gonna cost me?


Most specific post ever!


No really dude? What sub(s)? What you hitting a 136 in?


Kevin

[BanginBlazer]

2 underpowerd dd 1510s like 800 watts on 8 guage wire and blown door speakers and no sound deadner

[AV8ter]

In a blazer?

You know what hz that was at? Windows up, doors shut, right?

I did a 141.2 at 35hz in my teg off 1kw with one 15. You should have some more left in that setup.

Lots of good amps out there for the money. My new bang for the buck pick is the MB Quart DSC2000.1D. It does the 2kw it says it does and does not break the bank. I actually installed one in my friends blazer and I have one of my own for my teg that I will throw in over the summer.


Kevin

[BanginBlazer]

52 hz but i did a 139.1 on a outlaw but when i did the legal i had my friend push the back hatch and it jumped .5 db cause of the vibration and im pretty sure i can get 700 out of each sub 500 rms rated and i need 1/0 gauge wire as well

[BanginBlazer]

yep in a blazer sound deadner is very key in good number in this car cause of the thin metals flexx alott the back hatch is going to be first then the doors and roof

[Scott P]

In a blazer?

You know what hz that was at? Windows up, doors shut, right?

I did a 141.2 at 35hz in my teg off 1kw with one 15. You should have some more left in that setup.

Lots of good amps out there for the money. My new bang for the buck pick is the MB Quart DSC2000.1D. It does the 2kw it says it does and does not break the bank. I actually installed one in my friends blazer and I have one of my own for my teg that I will throw in over the summer.


Kevin

if I remember right it was at around 49hz or so legal with the doors shut and windows up. then again I was installing a radio while they were testing his car.


And to any other RE apologists, this is the very essence of why no one uses their stuff in the SPL lanes. the Entry level DD subs can give them a solid run at a fraction of the price.

Then you factor in the cost of an SX, XXX, or MT and I garuntee I can go buy a Memphis mojo (which costs less than all of those), or an Incriminator Death Penalty, or a DD9512, or a Rocford T2, and own you on any mic in any position.

[BanginBlazer]

this was widows up on the window 6 inches off the a pillar

[AV8ter]

if I remember right it was at around 49hz or so legal with the doors shut and windows up. then again I was installing a radio while they were testing his car.


And to any other RE apologists, this is the very essence of why no one uses their stuff in the SPL lanes. the Entry level DD subs can give them a solid run at a fraction of the price.

Then you factor in the cost of an SX, XXX, or MT and I garuntee I can go buy a Memphis mojo (which costs less than all of those), or an Incriminator Death Penalty, or a DD9512, or a Rocford T2, and own you on any mic in any position.

I got my blown XXX 12 for $100 and spent $250 total getting it reconed to an 18''. It really isn't an SPL sub.

The 141.2 was with a first gen RE SE, reconed with a XXX coil.

136.8 is not too hot at all. I ain't ragging on you, I just know you have a lot more left out of that system.

You saying a RF t2, 9512, mojo and DP all blow away sx, xxx, and Mts is a very relative statement.

Some guy at one of your meet and greets had a 15'' mojo, ported off 1.5kw, in his scion tc. one of your installs. I put up a solid 1db more than him, at a lower hz, with a single RE SE 12, on less than 600rms. (In my integra)

Can you argue with that one?

I am not trying to push any buttons, I just want to debate with you.

[BanginBlazer]

u want to debate with me welll...... since i am only pushing like 800 rms total on 8 guage wire that i bought for 20 dollars idk how good it is but im sure ur 141 is decent but i am getting rid of my system i want a new system plus these are like one of the lowest dds out here i dont have a single bit of sound deadner and i have like 2 - 3 door speakers blown no highs or amp.. so a 136 is good.. i didnt evn think it was gonna be that loud i did a 139.1 on an outlaw at 52 hz .. my amp is like busted but it was a budget system and ur car is smaller than mine

[AV8ter]

u want to debate with me welll...... since i am only pushing like 800 rms total on 8 guage wire that i bought for 20 dollars idk how good it is but im sure ur 141 is decent but i am getting rid of my system i want a new system plus these are like one of the lowest dds out here i dont have a single bit of sound deadner and i have like 2 - 3 door speakers blown no highs or amp.. so a 136 is good.. i didnt evn think it was gonna be that loud i did a 139.1 on an outlaw at 52 hz .. my amp is like busted but it was a budget system and ur car is smaller than mine


That was more directed towards Scott.

What amp did you have on them? What size box you running? Sealed? Ported?

[BanginBlazer]

quantum audio 1800 watts ported and a tline box tuned to 36 hz

[AV8ter]

T line? Transmission line? I think you might be talking about a conventional ported box.

[AV8ter]

For reference, the box I posted on the first page is one I build a couple of months ago. It is 7.6 cubes, tuned to 30-31hz, using two full length 6'' aeroports. Loudest thing I have heard. You could probably buy the box off him. I think he might want to go with 1 18'' so the box will not be needed anymore.


Kevin

[imprtguy_94]

RE subs are definitely the best for the price, and will outperform most of their more expensive counterparts. I'm about to purchase a SXX. One ten is going to shake the fuck out of my DSM, gotta love hatchbacks.


dude get the triple x's man best sub ever

[imprtguy_94]

Anyone know about their subs?


yes they are by far one of my favs they are way under power rated also they can take a hell of a beating i love them esp the triple xxx;s

[alpine_aw11]

if I remember right it was at around 49hz or so legal with the doors shut and windows up. then again I was installing a radio while they were testing his car.


And to any other RE apologists, this is the very essence of why no one uses their stuff in the SPL lanes. the Entry level DD subs can give them a solid run at a fraction of the price.

Then you factor in the cost of an SX, XXX, or MT and I garuntee I can go buy a Memphis mojo (which costs less than all of those), or an Incriminator Death Penalty, or a DD9512, or a Rocford T2, and own you on any mic in any position.

See I don't care about SPL, DD's can get as loud as they want but they sound like shit. And T2's sound even worse. So do you have a reccomendation for a better mix of SQ/SPL for 250? That's what I will be spending on the SX. I'm not being a smartass, I just think DD sounds like diarrhea. The Memphis would be the only sub I would consider on that list.

[audiowiz]

See I don't care about SPL, DD's can get as loud as they want but they sound like shit. And T2's sound even worse. So do you have a reccomendation for a better mix of SQ/SPL for 250? That's what I will be spending on the SX. I'm not being a smartass, I just think DD sounds like diarrhea. The Memphis would be the only sub I would consider on that list.

If you didnt like the way DD's sounded, they must have been in the wrong box or not tuned properly. Come by and talk to me, we've got some great options that sound good as well as beat.
Colin
Audio Wizards
678-541-0842
www.audiowizards.net (http://www.audiowizards.net)

[bangin_jeep]

Sundown sa-12's. SPLQ. Built for sound quality but their exceptional cooling makes them very popular with SPL guys.

[alpine_aw11]

If you didnt like the way DD's sounded, they must have been in the wrong box or not tuned properly. Come by and talk to me, we've got some great options that sound good as well as beat.
Colin
Audio Wizards
678-541-0842
www.audiowizards.net (http://www.audiowizards.net)

Well it must be Will's fault then....
:ninja:

It's Brad Colin, I've been wanting to come by and look at some Memphis stuff when I have the money.

[AV8ter]

The SX is more of a spl sub.

I could let you hear my friend's single 12'' Fi Q off 1200rms(2.5 cubes, 32hz). It is in the trunk of his e46 coupe. Very nice sound and digs quite low. I am actually building a TC9 12'' for myself which is pretty close in design to the Fi Q. I just need something smaller for when I don't feel like carting around the 70lb XXX lol.



Kevin

[audiowiz]

Well it must be Will's fault then....
:ninja:

It's Brad Colin, I've been wanting to come by and look at some Memphis stuff when I have the money.


Hey man,

you didnt like the way Wills car sounds? huh... Yeah man, which Memphis you like? they've changed part numbers but still have the same basic lineup. You need to come see the new place anyway.

[alpine_aw11]

Hey man,

you didnt like the way Wills car sounds? huh... Yeah man, which Memphis you like? they've changed part numbers but still have the same basic lineup. You need to come see the new place anyway.

Will's car gets too fucking loud. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but imo once you get to that point it sounds shitty. Believe me I went through this with him for hours lol. I don't know what model I want, I forgot what setup my buddy had but it was perfect for me. Maybe there's a DD sub that's right for me, idk. I'll come discuss it with you some time.

[Scott P]

I got my blown XXX 12 for $100 and spent $250 total getting it reconed to an 18''. It really isn't an SPL sub.

The 141.2 was with a first gen RE SE, reconed with a XXX coil.

136.8 is not too hot at all. I ain't ragging on you, I just know you have a lot more left out of that system.

You saying a RF t2, 9512, mojo and DP all blow away sx, xxx, and Mts is a very relative statement.

Some guy at one of your meet and greets had a 15'' mojo, ported off 1.5kw, in his scion tc. one of your installs. I put up a solid 1db more than him, at a lower hz, with a single RE SE 12, on less than 600rms. (In my integra)

Can you argue with that one?

I am not trying to push any buttons, I just want to debate with you.

It really isn't that relative of a statement. If I took a sub, and put it in a properly built and tuned box with a goal of achieving a high spl. I know for a fact i wouldn't be picking anything from RE's lineup. in fact the only sub I might consider even remotely is the early 2000's MT and even then, it would be way way way down the list. Quite frankly when Adire went out of business is the day RE became completely irrelevant. I don't care who is makeing them now, or who is now running the company it's not the same quality product.

As for the car you mentioned, I know that car (it was done before I was brought down to Ga to work here) and you aren't proving me wrong in my statement. Quite frankly I don't want to get into any further, b/c I wasn't the employed here when it was built.

Also, who ever it was that said Sundown is a SQPL sub, you couldn't be more wrong. There is absoluyely nothing high quality or even sound quality related about Sundown. They are a lowpriced, mid level internet brand, much like a litany of other companies out there.

[AV8ter]

I am not the one arguing the SPL matter with you but all my RE products with exception of my first se 12 have been pre-china models. RE is cheap(cost). I am pretty sure the mojo is a bit more than what I have paid for my different re subs. I have installed a variety of different brands/subs/models and build a variety of boxes for them all but I always find myself coming back to the old RE stuff. I don't compete in spl or sq nor do I have the funds to do so, with that being said it is really just for the enjoyment of having a car with an intense stereo.

I'll come by when I get back from college for spring break so we can chat it up and meter the xxx if I get it in by then.


Kevin

[bangin_jeep]

Paying more does not mean a thing... isn't that why john is wanting to build an spl car with cheap ass woofers? And What makes your $500 mojo entry level pos a much higher quality item then a nightshade or a Zv2 or any woofer. And sundown is sold in shops across the US, but most people see it as "too expensive." Regardless any SQ or SPL car is only as good as the installer... you should know that much

[BanginBlazer]

well i got my dds from audio wizard i kinda wish they did a little more time on the box because the port is way too big for the subs these tens i have i know can be louder that 136.8 on tones legal that is just ehh.. but wat ever i paid the money and they wanted way too much for stuff not dissing them but kinda am because they see me as a kid and think i am a waste of time pretty much unless u come in there with an ass load of money they will take u serious 100 dollars for some wire 1/0 wire to be exact soo if you dont mind spending a alot more for things then ur ok..

[AV8ter]

I know how you feel. Pretty much from the beginning I started buying second hand equipment, and purchased everything else online for as cheap as I possibly could. I have also built my own boxes since the start. It is hard for me to go into a shop and buy anything of high value if I know I can get it cheaper elsewhere. I guess that is just me always being a broke-ass.

I get a lot of crazy deals online but always make sure they are from authorized dealers if I am purchasing something BNIB. In November I lucked out and got BNIB Alpine 9887 for $240 shipped, and from an authorized dealer online. Good price but I have a feeling they were just moving the units due to alpine releasing it's next all-in-one unit in a few months.

[BanginBlazer]

now if they were more salesy like offering to show me about the stuff i prob would bought it sooner

[alpine_aw11]

well i got my dds from audio wizard i kinda wish they did a little more time on the box because the port is way too big for the subs these tens i have i know can be louder that 136.8 on tones legal that is just ehh.. but wat ever i paid the money and they wanted way too much for stuff not dissing them but kinda am because they see me as a kid and think i am a waste of time pretty much unless u come in there with an ass load of money they will take u serious 100 dollars for some wire 1/0 wire to be exact soo if you dont mind spending a alot more for things then ur ok..

I doubt it, they know DD inside and out and I guarantee you the box is built to specs. If you're such an expert build your own shit, then you can only bitch about yourself if you don't like the end result. I personally haven't spent a lot of money in their shop but they've always helped me out. Maybe you should go to them instead of making idle complaints on a forum aboutit.

[Scott P]

See I don't care about SPL, So do you have a reccomendation for a better mix of SQ/SPL for 250?

I am going to buck the "norm" here, and suggest an Arc Audio ARC12. Great mix of SQ and SPL....definatley weighted to the SQ side of things though.

Sorry, this is redgst97......wrong user name!! :)

[audiowiz]

now if they were more salesy like offering to show me about the stuff i prob would bought it sooner

Hey man, not sure which box this is, but im guess the box I had in the Soundroom with the 2 510's in the T-Line Box, which if thats the case, the box is built exactly to spec and a 138 is really good for two of DD's Entry level subs. If im thinking of the wrong box, sorry. I've always worked with our customers, regardless of budget, and Ive always stood behind my work. If someone doesnt Like a box, Ill rebuild it. But, if its the T-line that was in the soundroom, I was real specific on what that box was, and there is a reason it is built the way it is. Those subs wont hit that number in a standard box. Thats why that box looks so big from the outside, its mostly port. Again, if Im thinking of the wrong box, my bad.

Colin
AW

[BanginBlazer]

im not sayin i dont like it its just weird how big the port is but yeah it was the one in the sound room

[BanginBlazer]

im not trying to come off as a dick.. my bad if i am but i just thought they needed more space next to each sub since they touch next to each other and the wire comes out on the side of the box not the back ... im not dissing anything here colin i have done business with u and its good work.. i just didnt feel the welcome when i walked in the shop... other than that i am am kinda happy with them love the quality on dd subs but they cost way too much to buy them for my whole car like i wanted to...yall quoted me like 700 dollars for a 9512 sub... maybe that is the regualar price

[audiowiz]

im not trying to come off as a dick.. my bad if i am but i just thought they needed more space next to each sub since they touch next to each other and the wire comes out on the side of the box not the back ... im not dissing anything here colin i have done business with u and its good work.. i just didnt feel the welcome when i walked in the shop... other than that i am am kinda happy with them love the quality on dd subs but they cost way too much to buy them for my whole car like i wanted to...yall quoted me like 700 dollars for a 9512 sub... maybe that is the regualar price

Thats the price on the 9512. We sell as what DD tells us to sell at. I have pictures of the inside of the box so you can see why the subs are so close together and the wires come out the side. In a T-Line box, the Port is really long and increases in size over the length of the port. Im not sure what you mean by "buy them for your whole car" but the DD stuff is priced pretty low compared to other Brands. Either way man, I just didnt want there to be confusion on your box. The Numbers you are hitting for the subs you are running is pretty stout. for two $100 subs, thats not bad.

Colin
AW

[DynamicSound]

Thats the price on the 9512. We sell as what DD tells us to sell at. I have pictures of the inside of the box so you can see why the subs are so close together and the wires come out the side. In a T-Line box, the Port is really long and increases in size over the length of the port. Im not sure what you mean by "buy them for your whole car" but the DD stuff is priced pretty low compared to other Brands. Either way man, I just didnt want there to be confusion on your box. The Numbers you are hitting for the subs you are running is pretty stout. for two $100 subs, thats not bad.

Colin
AW

Off the subject, I had a customer needing some fiberglass work done so I suggested to come to you since he is on the north gwinnett side of town. He actually had bought some DD stuff from you guys before and thought you were out of business since you moved. I gave him your number, so he will be coming to you...didn't get his name or vehicle.

[BanginBlazer]

if both those subs cost a total of 200 dollars then that box just cost me 200 dollars ?? is this correct? thats kinda high dontcha think

[BanginJimmy]

I had 2 XXX 15's back during the summer of 04, when RE was a good company. I ran those subs in 10.5cu at 32hz with 150" of port off the US Amps De-3000 for part of the time and a MMats D3000.05 the rest of the time. They were far more crisp than any of the couple dozen W7 and Brahma builds I heard and only lagged slightly behind the IDMAX, although they got a lot louder. I did low 147's all day long at 38hz and the highest I hit was a 147.3. Were they in the same league as DD and Atomic in the SPL lanes? Not even close, but they were a VERY good street beater sub for someone that wanted to dominate the L7's that were so popular then.

My next build will be 2 DD 3510's or a single 9512. I have heard the DD sounds pretty good, and they do get loud as hell.

[BanginJimmy]

if both those subs cost a total of 200 dollars then that box just cost me 200 dollars ?? is this correct? thats kinda high dontcha think

$200 for even a simple ported box is about average. A T-line enclosure is FAR more complicated to design and build and it wouldnt be all that crazy to see a price tag of $400 just for the box. If smoeone was to come to me and ask me to build them a simple 3cu ported box covered in carpet, I would charge about $150, add another $50+ if you wanted it custom made or tuned.

[audiowiz]

Off the subject, I had a customer needing some fiberglass work done so I suggested to come to you since he is on the north gwinnett side of town. He actually had bought some DD stuff from you guys before and thought you were out of business since you moved. I gave him your number, so he will be coming to you...didn't get his name or vehicle.

Sweet man, thanks. We tried to put the word out that we had just moved, but our previous landlord was a bit of a tool and tore our signs down the day we left and has been telling anyone who stops by when he is there that we closed.

[audiowiz]

if both those subs cost a total of 200 dollars then that box just cost me 200 dollars ?? is this correct? thats kinda high dontcha think

Not at all for the work that went into it. Ask for prices on a T-line from any other shop. If they'll even build it, the price will be way higher.

[audiowiz]

I had 2 XXX 15's back during the summer of 04, when RE was a good company. I ran those subs in 10.5cu at 32hz with 150" of port off the US Amps De-3000 for part of the time and a MMats D3000.05 the rest of the time. They were far more crisp than any of the couple dozen W7 and Brahma builds I heard and only lagged slightly behind the IDMAX, although they got a lot louder. I did low 147's all day long at 38hz and the highest I hit was a 147.3. Were they in the same league as DD and Atomic in the SPL lanes? Not even close, but they were a VERY good street beater sub for someone that wanted to dominate the L7's that were so popular then.

My next build will be 2 DD 3510's or a single 9512. I have heard the DD sounds pretty good, and they do get loud as hell.

Im in the process of puting 2 3512's into my Mini. Its nasty. The Carbon 9512 is angry as well.

[Scott P]

Grab some popcone this is going to take a while to reply:


Alpine aw11: Is your budget 250 total for subs, or 250 per sub? That makes a big difference. Also keep in mind that I can make almost anything sound damn good, and I've seen alot of internet commando's (not implying anyone here directly) take high end product and make it sound like ass. It is all in the install. I am always willing to help with ideas and knowledge, but my time literally costs me money, so i'm not just going to give all my trade secrets away for free.

Av8tr: I had written a drawn out post for you and then accidently closed the window. So in lieu of typing it out again, I am going to cut to the chace. The TC you beat wasn't our install and wasn't actually running off the mc1500d. that guy bought the gear from our customer when he sold his tc for a truck, and the new owner promptly toasted the 1500d. When the car you beat got ran through the lanes at our shop it was being powered by a little alpine amp. Futhermore I can tell you what a 12" Mojo in a prefab ported box with 700watss would do in your car because we've done that here: 142.1dB. Not bad for a sub that retails for $450ish. Also it's not as expensive as you think to compete. I am assuming that you got your sub reconed by Scott at FI, which means it should beable to put up decent numbers in a street class. If you get a chance we're going to be hosting a few shows with MECA this year, and I would be willing to bet you would have a blast running your teg in the lanes.

Bangin Blazer: Dude, first a 136.8 for 2 entry level 10's on a quantum amp is more than respectable, it's pretty impressive. I'm not real sure why you are so down on that, or on the box. That box is the sole reason you hit that high. If you ran a standard ported box it would easily be 2db quieter if not more so. Also Colin is right 200 for a transmission line box is a helluva deal. Look at it this way. to build that box I really need 2 sheets of mdf ($25 a sheet), I'll probably use almost tube a wood glue ($10) probably 2-3 yards of carpet ($20) and about 4-5 hours building (my custom labor rate is $100 per hour). you would be looking at $600 right there by those conservative estimates. I'm not saying that is what I would charge persay, but I definately would charge more than $200 for the box. Also don't let people here influence you. I am only speaking for myself, but I think Colin would agree. we'll be glad to help and explain things and try and educate you and anyone else as needed, but keep in mind we have decades of expirience in this, while most of the stuff you can read online is written by kids who have no idea what they are talking about.

Bangin Jeep: Really? that is what you have a for me? That paying more doens't mean a thing? Trust me when I say I can't agree more with that statement. You know what does mean something to me? hearing quality product (regardless of price). That said I have heard Sundown. I have installed Sundown. I said no thanks when it was offered to me for FREE to run in my own competition car. Don't get me wrong it's decent stuff. I just wouldn't touch it for a SQ competition car, and I would rather use other products for an SPL car. Especially when you consider that a nightshade 12 msrp's for 629 and a mojo 12 (which is louder in the lanes) retails for 459

Now since you brought up the van we are looking at building, the whole principle of that is going to be that there is a difference in quality between the entry level stuff from quality based companies. Bangin Blazer is a perfect example of this. Digital Designs is a very respected company in the industy. and when Colin took 20 of there entry level 10's and put them in a properly built and tuned box, he pulled a very respectable number on the termlab. The same goes for my example I gave Av8ter about the mojo.

Listen I get it that Team Sundown is the popular internet group these days. Just as Acendant was before it, and Adire before that, and Elemental Designs before that. My point is though is while the internet flavor of the week keeps changing, Companies like Memphis, Rockford, JBL, Kicker, Pioneer, Digital Designs have been there and keep putting up quality product that keeps beating the competition in the lanes. There is a reason for that. Sure it may cost a few dollars more up front, but really if I was serious about competing in SPL, I wouldn't be claiming the first company that gave me a discount as the greatest, I would be looking for the stats that tell me which company is the greatest. But hell what do I know, I only have a only have a sq world championship to my name, and the knowledge that the current world records for SPL belong to Pioneer, DD, and Memphis/Crossfire. . . .

Look Guys I'm not trying to start an internet pissing match. Honestly I don't care. But when I see you talking shit about my shop on other forums (and I do see it), and then you come on here and say that the brands I carry suck, and that wheatever internet brand is popular this week is better (even when it is blatantly false) I and going to call you and anyone else out on it. Trust me when I have been in the game a long time, and John has been in it even longer. We aren't making shit up as we go. We have been there and done that.

If there are any further questions feel free to ask. I'll answer to the best of my knowledge or make the calls to get the answers if I don't know them myself.

[b@d @pple]

this is a worthless fucking debate..scott is about the only one speaking from fact,the rest of you have formed opinions about products that are obviously in the wrong enclosure..i can make a ford paper cone 5x7 sound like a 10 in the right enclosure.

[AV8ter]

Av8tr: I had written a drawn out post for you and then accidently closed the window. So in lieu of typing it out again, I am going to cut to the chace. The TC you beat wasn't our install and wasn't actually running off the mc1500d. that guy bought the gear from our customer when he sold his tc for a truck, and the new owner promptly toasted the 1500d. When the car you beat got ran through the lanes at our shop it was being powered by a little alpine amp. Futhermore I can tell you what a 12" Mojo in a prefab ported box with 700watss would do in your car because we've done that here: 142.1dB. Not bad for a sub that retails for $450ish. Also it's not as expensive as you think to compete. I am assuming that you got your sub reconed by Scott at FI, which means it should beable to put up decent numbers in a street class. If you get a chance we're going to be hosting a few shows with MECA this year, and I would be willing to bet you would have a blast running your teg in the lanes.

Show at your place? I'll try to be there. I really don't want to do a straight SPL setup. It breaks my heart to tune any higher than 32hz in my car lol. I do all my metering with you guys, windows up, and I always play notes lower than 40hz. That mojo probably put up a 142 at 45-55hz, right? With the power I have on tap, I have not a single doubt in my mind that I could get my car up into a 150 with a pair of type rs or CVXs. I really need to start saving for a new car but I might fool around more with SPL over the summer. I'll stop buy over my spring break and I'll try to have something in the car by then.

I have A LOT I could learn from you guys about all the speaker nonsense. I need some serious help tuning my front stage lol. I need some serious recommendations and input haha.


The 18'' XXX was built by David Moore(TeamPSI). He builds all my subs. He did the HCs in the first post, my SE 15, the XXX and I am sending my TC9 motor out as soon as I get a chance. He builds most of my subs for SQ(looser suspension, lower fs typically). I can't enough of the lows lol.

You guys happen to have a blown Mojo(newer)? I'll take it off you hands and have Dave rebuild it.



Kevin

[AV8ter]

this is a worthless fucking debate..scott is about the only one speaking from fact,the rest of you have formed opinions about products that are obviously in the wrong enclosure..i can make a ford paper cone 5x7 sound like a 10 in the right enclosure.


Life is one big opinion? What are you trying to convey here? My products have been in wrong enclosures? Who says there is a "right" enclosure for a said woofer?

Thanks for delivering the fail, bro. Debating is a healthy part of life. You're just being immature.

BTW, a 5x7 paper cone woofer sounds like a 5x7 paper cone woofer. A "10" sounds like a "10". Sound reproduction of said woofers is dictated by what enclosure they are in. Good job.

Kevin

[alpine_aw11]

My budget is 250 for one sub, that should be all I need. I can have Colin help me, don't worry about it. I appreciate the info though.

[BanginBlazer]

i would sell u my setup if u would like

[b@d @pple]

Life is one big opinion? What are you trying to convey here? My products have been in wrong enclosures? Who says there is a "right" enclosure for a said woofer?

Thanks for delivering the fail, bro. Debating is a healthy part of life. You're just being immature.

BTW, a 5x7 paper cone woofer sounds like a 5x7 paper cone woofer. A "10" sounds like a "10". Sound reproduction of said woofers is dictated by what enclosure they are in. Good job.

Kevin


haha ok..im saying that every single woofer has an enclosure or 2 or 3 or 4 for that matter that they will function and sound the best..wether its sealed ,ported,bandpass,or whatever..if you tune a box too high or too low for a woofer ,it has the potential to not perform,or not sound the way it should,or just blow the fuck up..hence the "WRONG" enclosure. and for the record,i totally agree that debating is a healthy part of life..im not too sure how anyone is being immature,but you sure did get defensive for no reason.and you are more than wrong about a 5x7 sounding life a 5x7 and a 10 sounding like a 10.. sure in a little sealed box they might sound like what they are..ive built all sorts of enclosures for all sorts of speakers and gotten tons of good and bad results..so as far as bringing the fail goes,im not sure what part you have trouble with understanding..but i know i have been installing for going on 11 years and have done tons of builds and tons of research..so im not spouting off bullshit information..im credible,ask around if you dont know,,and fyi,you are more than entitled to your opinion,and too debate what you want..im not gonna fight about what you or i think is correct.

[audiowiz]

haha ok..im saying that every single woofer has an enclosure or 2 or 3 or 4 for that matter that they will function and sound the best..wether its sealed ,ported,bandpass,or whatever..if you tune a box too high or too low for a woofer ,it has the potential to not perform,or not sound the way it should,or just blow the fuck up..hence the "WRONG" enclosure. and for the record,i totally agree that debating is a healthy part of life..im not too sure how anyone is being immature,but you sure did get defensive for no reason.and you are more than wrong about a 5x7 sounding life a 5x7 and a 10 sounding like a 10.. sure in a little sealed box they might sound like what they are..ive built all sorts of enclosures for all sorts of speakers and gotten tons of good and bad results..so as far as bringing the fail goes,im not sure what part you have trouble with understanding..but i know i have been installing for going on 11 years and have done tons of builds and tons of research..so im not spouting off bullshit information..im credible,ask around if you dont know,,and fyi,you are more than entitled to your opinion,and too debate what you want..im not gonna fight about what you or i think is correct.


Well said...And quite calmly too.. reps.

[b@d @pple]

Well said...And quite calmly too.. reps.

very rare for me by the way

[audiowiz]

very rare for me by the way


nice, and understandable

[redgst97]

very rare for me by the way

truth

[drpepper14]

Please look or listen to any of b@d @pple's builds and tell me it "brings the fail"

I'm sorry to say but if you answer honestly, the answer is NO.

[b@d @pple]

Please look or listen to any of b@d @pple's builds and tell me it "brings the fail"

I'm sorry to say but if you answer honestly, the answer is NO.

thanks homie

[AV8ter]

haha ok..im saying that every single woofer has an enclosure or 2 or 3 or 4 for that matter that they will function and sound the best..wether its sealed ,ported,bandpass,or whatever..if you tune a box too high or too low for a woofer ,it has the potential to not perform,or not sound the way it should,or just blow the fuck up..hence the "WRONG" enclosure. and for the record,i totally agree that debating is a healthy part of life..im not too sure how anyone is being immature,but you sure did get defensive for no reason.and you are more than wrong about a 5x7 sounding life a 5x7 and a 10 sounding like a 10.. but i know i have been installing for going on 11 years and have done tons of builds and tons of research..so im not spouting off bullshit information..

What is tuning a box too high, and tuning too low?

And how am I wrong about a 5x7 sounding like a 5x7, and a 10 sounding like a ten? You might have misinterpreted my previous post. When I put a 12'' sub in my car, it is going to sound like a 12'' sub. It will vary in spl and frequency response depending on it's enclosure. We could honestly bring physics into the equation to show that a woofer is doing the same amount of work, no matter what enclosure it is in.

Most people think ported is way louder than sealed. In reality, if you took the average SPL through a range of frequencies, 20hz-80hz, sealed might be louder in that case. Ported boxes usually contain a strong peak which cause most listeners to think of as louder.

I have been into this shit for about two years. I guess that means you're more than 5 times more experienced and knowledgeable than I am, right? That being said, I am not trying to say I am "smarter" than you or anything, I am just not sure why we have to justify out knowledge through "x" amount of years.

[b@d @pple]

What is tuning a box too high, and tuning too low?

And how am I wrong about a 5x7 sounding like a 5x7, and a 10 sounding like a ten? You might have misinterpreted my previous post. When I put a 12'' sub in my car, it is going to sound like a 12'' sub. It will vary in spl and frequency response depending on it's enclosure. We could honestly bring physics into the equation to show that a woofer is doing the same amount of work, no matter what enclosure it is in.

Most people think ported is way louder than sealed. In reality, if you took the average SPL through a range of frequencies, 20hz-80hz, sealed might be louder in that case. Ported boxes usually contain a strong peak which cause most listeners to think of as louder.

I have been into this shit for about two years. I guess that means you're more than 5 times more experienced and knowledgeable than I am, right? That being said, I am not trying to say I am "smarter" than you or anything, I am just not sure why we have to justify out knowledge through "x" amount of years.


what is tuning a box too high or too low?..well its relative depending on the woofer..if you send 1000 watts to a woofer in a ported enclosure tuned at 30 hertz,some woofers might not perform the way they would at 38 hertz,or 45 hertz..every woofer has their own footprint and an enclosure where they are the most efficient and perform the greatest..you could have a port volume that is too large or too small(port tune) and make your woofer completely useless..im not saying that every box,every size,every port is "wrong" for every sub..im simply saying each woofer has a box or a port that they perform the absolute best in.any wrong calculation in box size or port length or overall port volume can make or "break" a woofer physically or audibly

[b@d @pple]

.

I have been into this shit for about two years. I guess that means you're more than 5 times more experienced and knowledgeable than I am, right? That being said, I am not trying to say I am "smarter" than you or anything, I am just not sure why we have to justify out knowledge through "x" amount of years.


i wasnt justifying anything,i was simply stating in those 11 years i have done a ton of boxes and research to back up my knowledge.

[AV8ter]

i wasnt justifying anything,i was simply stating in those 11 years i have done a ton of boxes and research to back up my knowledge.

In my 1.5 years of fun I have done tons of boxes(15-20) and research to back up my knowledge.

[b@d @pple]

In my 1.5 years of fun I have done tons of boxes(15-20) and research to back up my knowledge.

you are all about gettin defensive.im not gonna argue with you anymore

[audiowiz]

To expand, All subs have a natural Frequency at which they are most efficient. If a port is tuned above that frequency (too short) or below that frequency (too long) it wont be as effecient as tuning the port to that woofer's optimal tuning frequency.

As far as port area (size of opening), this is tuned to the box not the woofer (in most cases). Generally, optimal port area should be calculated (roughly) at 15-16 sq inches for each cubic foot of net box volume. Some woofers can vary a bit from these numbers, but generally, when using this formula you get a tuned ported box that has a wide frequency response from high pass cutoff to low pass rolloff.

When a ported box is tuned properly, it is ALWAYS louder than a sealed box. That said, the comment about across frequency range the summed SPL of a sealed box would be technically louder, which is great, but show me one competition series that rates SPL across the frequency range. The Ported boxes that beat hard at one frequency and then suck on the rest are the prefab, Best buy special boxes. these are made to pound at (give or take) 40hz, which is where most hip hop songs play. A truly tuned ported box with the right matched sub or subs will beat across any USEABLE frequency range (30hz- about 50-60 hz). Not trying to argue with anyone, just throwing out some facts.

As far as Bad Apples work, dude does sick shit. Thats coming from another Shop owner with 15+ years experience in the industry.

Colin
AW

[audiowiz]

What is tuning a box too high, and tuning too low?

And how am I wrong about a 5x7 sounding like a 5x7, and a 10 sounding like a ten? You might have misinterpreted my previous post. When I put a 12'' sub in my car, it is going to sound like a 12'' sub. It will vary in spl and frequency response depending on it's enclosure. We could honestly bring physics into the equation to show that a woofer is doing the same amount of work, no matter what enclosure it is in.

Most people think ported is way louder than sealed. In reality, if you took the average SPL through a range of frequencies, 20hz-80hz, sealed might be louder in that case. Ported boxes usually contain a strong peak which cause most listeners to think of as louder.

I have been into this shit for about two years. I guess that means you're more than 5 times more experienced and knowledgeable than I am, right? That being said, I am not trying to say I am "smarter" than you or anything, I am just not sure why we have to justify out knowledge through "x" amount of years.


If you've ever heard a pair of DD 1508's (8-inch speaker) in a Ported box, you understand how an 8 can sound like a 12.

[BanginBlazer]

those dd 8s are decieving but they are one hell of an 8 i wish they made 9508s

[AV8ter]

If you've ever heard a pair of DD 1508's (8-inch speaker) in a Ported box, you understand how an 8 can sound like a 12.


I have sat in your SC300, if that is what your asking. I think there was a pair of dd 8s, vibe 3 way components, handful of vibe amps, and premier double din.

They didn't really compare to anything I have heard(single 12'') but I think it was cause it was in a trunk.

I have no doubt in my mind that a dd8 will out perform 12s out there. Just didn't really surprise me. I think they might have been in a truck box and that is probably why they didn't blow my mind.

[audiowiz]

I have sat in your SC300, if that is what your asking. I think there was a pair of dd 8s, vibe 3 way components, handful of vibe amps, and premier double din.

They didn't really compare to anything I have heard(single 12'') but I think it was cause it was in a trunk.

I have no doubt in my mind that a dd8 will out perform 12s out there. Just didn't really surprise me. I think they might have been in a truck box and that is probably why they didn't blow my mind.

Yeah, we did that setup really just for quality listening. Its hard with the sc300's trunk being sealed off from the car and having a gas tank inbetween. We had 4 of the 8's in an xterra hitting 148's on music at the windshield. They're nasty

[AV8ter]

My first real sub in my car was a RE8(I know I am an RE whore haha, I am trying to branch out). Blew my mind all the time. Never got the chance to meter it though. Not louder than my SE12 on close to the same power, but that is understandable.


Kevin

[b@d @pple]

i have 3 old jl 8w3s in my s2k..24 inches of cone area

[AV8ter]

i have 3 old jl 8w3s in my s2k..24 inches of cone area

About 474 sq in of cone area(for all three).

Single 15'' is about 555 sq in.

Single 18'' is about 800 sq in.


Kevin

[big99miketma]

I might also add that usually "tuning" goes along with the enclosure size, the woofer going into that box will change how I would tune the box. Also the car it is going into can change the tuning, where at in the vehicle the box is placed in the vehicle can change the tuning. Also one of the more important variables is the goal you are going for. I have had some people want a box that can get as loud as possible and do not mind if it is boomy or sloppy to achieve it, and then there are people that are the opposite and will sacrifice output for a flatter response. I have even built boxes that were 15 cubic feet with a port opening so large that you can climb into the box, and believe me it was such a "one note wander" it is not even funny, but that is what the person wanted. There is so much you can do with the enclosure and port to alter the sound of ANY speaker to make it sound a particular way to fit a person's desired sound, and while a lot of times a manufacturers suggested box is great it is not always what the customer wants, which doesnt mean any are wrong, as long as the customer "or person" with the box likes it and thinks that it sounds good "to their liking", and does what it was asked to do from the beginning, and not allow the speaker to be torn to shreds, then it is right.
On a side note a little too late now but hey whatever, $200 for a properly built and tuned TL box is stupid cheap.
Now why A simple question of is RE audio any good turned into a 5 page debate is beyond me, but I do know I have seen and read just in this thread alone at least 5 professionals with roughly at LEAST 10 years experience EACH try to educate others on our "opinions" and knowledge we have all learned throughout the years, and while some of us may have different opinions of what sounds good to our personal tastes or likings I would assume that if anyone came to any of us professionals and talked with us about what YOU want, then chances are I am sure we could all make you happy, and get you there, so there is a reason we are "professionals", and our prices are so not the cheap ass price of FREE that you get from forum trolling. Now dont get me wrong while I can not speak for everyone I do not mind trying to help people out on here or any other forums and give my opinion, and I would assume most of the other pros dont either, but when argued with that we are wrong or do not know what we are doing it makes helping others pretty difficult.
While I understand what you are saying that a 10 sounds like a 10 is true because hey it is a 10 and not a 5 X 7 or whatever, I am sure everyone on here knows what was meant to be the understanding of that statement, which is that someone "like badapple" who knows what they are doing can make lower end equipment sound better than higher end equipment installed by someone who doesnt know what they are doing.

And oh yeah that Scion TC referred to earlier I built the box for that car, when it was in the original car that sub could keep up with and sound good while playing metal "again only an opinion of mine", and furthermore like someone else stated at that competition it was in another vehicle than the one the shop built and wired wrong from where the customer tried to do it them self, and the customer only had one voice coil wired up. So when it was only a couple DB quieter than you it was only running on one coil and obviously half power (750 watts +/-), so I would have to say I wouldn't bash on Memphis too hard there.

I am sorry for rambling on and hope not to offend anyone, but really when people ask for help or advice and you see a professional trying to help someone else out, you should probably let them :)

Unbelievable still trying to correct someone else's math. yes you are right 3 8" woofers is not 24" of cone area, however I am trying to figure out where you got your numbers from. To figure out surface area of a circle you do pie X r sq. r=radius =half the diameter, half of 8" (not counting screws and surround) is 4, 4 sq = 16 X 3.14(pie)=50.24X3(woofers)=150.72,, where do you get 474??

[AV8ter]

Shit, my bad. The irony of me posting that while I was sitting in math class lol. I fucked up the equation lol, but yeah that is what I was trying to get at.

[b@d @pple]

About 474 sq in of cone area(for all three).

Single 15'' is about 555 sq in.

Single 18'' is about 800 sq in.


Kevin

yea considering the cone is probably close to 5.5..you are correct

[b@d @pple]

i was more or less just saying i like 8s in multiples

[Echonova]

I know everything about everything. Just as I knew that info would be relevant to this thread.

[redgst97]

I have even built boxes that were 15 cubic feet with a port opening so large that you can climb into the box, and believe me it was such a "one note wander" it is not even funny, but that is what the person wanted.

I laugh every time I think of that box....tried looking for the picture of your daughter standing in the prot, but couldnt find it. :)

[tattoodlude]

I just picked up me SE series subs I will let you guys know what I think of them. I am taking out interfire pro-v subs and switching to RE. I have 7.2 cubes plus port. I think that it will hit ok.

this is going in my 92 burban
4 RE se 12's
2 powerbass 3000 mono blocks
300 amp alternator
1 yellow top under the hood
2 red tops in the back
30 farad for voltage reading only

it should do something I am going to ditch the optimas and go with an excess power here soon. We will see though I have to bracket for dual alt. set up but I am uncertain if running two different voltage alts will hurt anything I am looking into that now.

[BanginBlazer]

i need to know some songs that i can get good numbers on i peak at 52 hz any one know of songs that get this high?

[sina518]

i just wasted 15 minutes of my life. we have 3 professionals that have done this for over 10 years and have built some kick ass sound systems. and a 18 year old fuck nut that thinks he is knowledgeable about anything car audio related. unbelievable!!!

[audiowiz]

i just wasted 15 minutes of my life. we have 3 professionals that have done this for over 10 years and have built some kick ass sound systems. and a 18 year old fuck nut that thinks he is knowledgeable about anything car audio related. unbelievable!!!

lolz...you're a fast reader.

[audiowiz]

i need to know some songs that i can get good numbers on i peak at 52 hz any one know of songs that get this high?


if you are really looking for numbers, get a Db Drag or MECA Bass Mekanik CD. They both have songs with upper as well as lower frequencies (everything from 15hz up to the high 70's) as well as just straight tones.

[BanginBlazer]

i just wasted 15 minutes of my life. we have 3 professionals that have done this for over 10 years and have built some kick ass sound systems. and a 18 year old fuck nut that thinks he is knowledgeable about anything car audio related. unbelievable!!!
to whom is this msg being directed to ?

[AV8ter]

to whom is this msg being directed to ?


I assume that would be me lol. Not you, don't worry.



Kevin

[sina518]

yea you and whoever else thinks they have a lot of knowledge about car audio because they take a interest in it and researched the forums for the last 2 years.

[lovinmydodge]

lol most of those who have "Researched" the forums for the past 2 years probably have more knowledge on product design, specs, installation tips tricks and know how than you do lol. I think its funny, that you feel it necessary to talk trash in a car audio thread about people who talk about car audio. grow up.

about the guy asking about running different voltage alts, yes it will destroy them, now running different amp alts idk. but I'd assume if you do not hook up the two alts to a common battery bank it shouldn't be a problem. say a 130 amp alt on your front battery, and take the power wire you ran to the back batteries and hook it up to the charging stud on the 300 amp alt. so that the front battery gets charged by the oem alt. and the car audio batts get charged by the 300 amp alt. as long as the two alts do not share any batteries. ie front to back batteries you will be fine. like wise on the voltage difference's too. if you run 16 volt batteries in back, and run a 16 volt alt. run an oem beside it. and hook 16 volt alt to those 16 volt batts and nothing else. and oem to stock front battery.

[sina518]

^^^^ alright car audio fan! from all the people on import atlanta your opinion is the last one i give a fuck about. you have no clue who i am, what i do, what i have done, or the people who taught me how to do it. i never came on here and said i know more. honestly i don't give a fuck, the questions you dumb fucks ask entertain me thats why i feel the need to put in my two cents and make fun of you. half of you are running the wall mart special and are worried about what kind of capacitors, how many batteries and how big of an alternator you need to have because the lights in your 1992 honda civic or chevy trail blazer go dim. seriously!!!!!!!! some on here know im knowledgeable to a extent and i help people that ask legitimate questions and are looking for real answers. Now if you will excuse me i have to go hook up my home theater system to my car for the up coming SQ competition. some one on here told me thats the way to go if you want to get some real point! What do you think?????

[BanginJimmy]

I will say that Sina knows his shit and has helped me on more than a few occasions while I was still playing with audio.

[AV8ter]

What do you think?????

I think I am speechless.........



Kevin

[sina518]

^^^ here ill help you. go do some research..
http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/
http://www.fiberglassforums.com/
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/

[sina518]

I will say that Sina knows his shit and has helped me on more than a few occasions while I was still playing with audio.

Thanks jimmy but I like everyone else didn't know shit 6 years ago, and still to this day don't know a whole lot i just know basics. But people like Justin Marks and John Marsh and Mike Bailey were the people who taught me what i know and instead of thinking i know better than them i listened to them. Justin probably more than everyone else because he made me get hands on even though i was scared as shit. so it just annoys me when people come on here and ask a question and somebody like justin or john or mike shares there years of knowledge and experience that they have and some one else with a third of the knowledge comes and says "no your wrong". I mean, the kid is trying to convince ppl that home audio is ideal for a SQ car, and then wonders why a person like john marsh who is a multiple SQ champion in a ultimate class disagrees with them.

[AV8ter]

I mean, the kid is trying to convince ppl that home audio is ideal for a SQ car, and then wonders why a person like john marsh who is a multiple SQ champion in a ultimate class disagrees with them.


Is this directed towards me? I am pretty sure I didn't say anything of the sort but If I did then I'll eat my words. Seriously, If that is directed towards me, then I really want you to back it up.


Go back and look through the thread. It started out as a simple question about RE audio. I shared MY experience with them. I did not claim for them to be the best, or even a contender for sq or spl competitions. Some other people did say they are "the best" and "zomg XXX" and what not.

I never said anyone was "wrong", so thanks for putting words in my mouth.

And yes, I do spend a lot of time(probably too much lol) fucking around on car audio forums. Whats the big deal? There is shit to learn from people all over the world. There is also no better place to find the old used equipment that you're looking for. I am always skeptical of everything I read online and I do contain my own opinions about everything. It is no different then all of us car guys being on IA. I just join them to see what else is out there and to get help with products directly from the manufacture when needed. I have still been to most of the shops in the area to see what is going on locally.

Trust me when I say that if I had the money to have the guys at American Radio work on my car, I would not hesitate to. I have met all of them over there with the exception of scott p. Great guys, awesome shop with honestly good prices on equipment. I always support them when I need my shit. About a month ago I had my friend run up to American Radio looking for two specialty cables for some older Alpine headunits and John didn't have them in stock at the moment. Needless to say that he had them the very next morning and I got a phone call letting me know about it.

In the end I really don't even remember what we are arguing about anymore. I tried to keep my nose out of this thread but your direct attack on me pulled me back in.



Kevin

[lovinmydodge]

its funny your defense was that we know nothing of your knowledge, yet you assume ours. LOL. i think that if you really want to talk. one day face to face we can, and then ur E-Thug-ness wont matter lol. I know what I need to to do what I want my systems to do

[audiowiz]

its funny your defense was that we know nothing of your knowledge, yet you assume ours. LOL. i think that if you really want to talk. one day face to face we can, and then ur E-Thug-ness wont matter lol. I know what I need to to do what I want my systems to do


Hey dude, good to meet you the other day. you coming to Gwinnett Fairgrounds this weekend? its the shakedown run for the MINI

[sina518]

^^^^ you want to talk face to face oh yea?????????? are you that butt hurt about the situation?, trust me you don't want to talk to me face to face im not a pleasant person. i am probably more nice on the internet then i ever would be standing in front of you.

[sina518]

first off non of this is directed towards you so calm the fuck down. all my post are very general and are not a direct hit towards anyone. including lovinmydodge or whatever. money is not the issue there is more satisfaction in LEARNING how to do it yourself as oppose to paying someone to do it. its not about the products or any of that is was more about when someone says something on here and actually knows what they are saying others tend to argue and debate the subject. Ya dig???? im sure at some point you will become a great installer and very knowledgeable yourself.



Is this directed towards me? I am pretty sure I didn't say anything of the sort but If I did then I'll eat my words. Seriously, If that is directed towards me, then I really want you to back it up.


Go back and look through the thread. It started out as a simple question about RE audio. I shared MY experience with them. I did not claim for them to be the best, or even a contender for sq or spl competitions. Some other people did say they are "the best" and "zomg XXX" and what not.

I never said anyone was "wrong", so thanks for putting words in my mouth.

And yes, I do spend a lot of time(probably too much lol) fucking around on car audio forums. Whats the big deal? There is shit to learn from people all over the world. There is also no better place to find the old used equipment that you're looking for. I am always skeptical of everything I read online and I do contain my own opinions about everything. It is no different then all of us car guys being on IA. I just join them to see what else is out there and to get help with products directly from the manufacture when needed. I have still been to most of the shops in the area to see what is going on locally.

Trust me when I say that if I had the money to have the guys at American Radio work on my car, I would not hesitate to. I have met all of them over there with the exception of scott p. Great guys, awesome shop with honestly good prices on equipment. I always support them when I need my shit. About a month ago I had my friend run up to American Radio looking for two specialty cables for some older Alpine headunits and John didn't have them in stock at the moment. Needless to say that he had them the very next morning and I got a phone call letting me know about it.

In the end I really don't even remember what we are arguing about anymore. I tried to keep my nose out of this thread but your direct attack on me pulled me back in.



Kevin

[AV8ter]

a 18 year old fuck nut that thinks he is knowledgeable about anything car audio related. unbelievable!!!

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first off non of this is directed towards you so calm the fuck down. all my post are very general and are not a direct hit towards anyone.



Interesting. Seems like you blatantly call me out, but what do I know. Whatever dude. Thanks for trying to start shit. And "calm the fuck down"? I am pretty sure I haven't been heated in any of these posts. Thanks for the advice though. I won't address you further more but feel free to respond to this post if you wish.


Kevin

[sina518]

lol, i guess it was directed towards you. sorry man!

[AV8ter]

lol, i guess it was directed towards you. sorry man!

Not a problem.

I just believe everyone in this industry has something to learn from someone else and the gaining knowledge should always be a positive experience. It is impossible for one person to know everything about every car(and the install characteristics that go along with that car) and every product out there on the market. I got a few tricks up my sleeve but nothing that I believe that compares to John's, Scott's, Audio Wiz, and the other pros mentioned/involved in this thread. I can bang out a quality constructed box and have had great success(in my opinion, and the opinion of those who receive my boxes) with the enclosures that I have created.



Kevin

[redgst97]

My apartment smells of rich mahogany.

I have many leather-bound books.

[audiowiz]

My apartment smells of rich mahogany.

I have many leather-bound books.

Nice Quote....It means "a Whale's Vagina"