ANY argument on why marijuana should be illegal just got proven wrong

[thecrazyone]

-gateway effect
-kills brain cells
-causes cancer
-the drug war
-it makes you stupid
-it causes violence
:gay:

Thats right folks,this documentary shows you why absolutely ANY argument on why pot should be illegal or stay illegal is pointless and stupid, dont believe me? Watch it!

No one can even come in here bashing, cause it doesn't matter, i KNOW whats right, if you're to ignorant to watch this movie, or even the trailer, than you mean nothing to me, and nothing you say matters.

The is not a stoner movie it is a documentary, with politicians, celebrities, government officials, it has FACTS, archival footage, it shows studies and medical journals all in favor of legalization and WHY!!

>>>>>>The Union: The Business Behind Getting High<<<<<
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/

BC's illegal marijuana trade industry has evolved into a business giant, dubbed by some involved as 'The Union', Commanding upwards of $7 billion Canadian annually. With up to 85% of 'BC Bud' being exported to the United States, the trade has become an international issue. Follow filmmaker Adam Scorgie as he demystifies the underground market and brings to light how an industry can function while remaining illegal. Through growers, police officers, criminologists, economists, doctors, politicians and pop culture icons, Scorgie examines the cause and effect nature of the business - an industry that may be profiting more by being illegal.

The basic point of this documentary is to present the facts about Marijuana. It focuses less on the BC market and more on the reasons why marijuana should be viewed in the same light as alcohol and tobacco. It argues for the legalization of marijuana. The argument is compelling and factual with many legititamate sources. UNLIKE THE IGNORANT STUFF Y'ALL SPEW ON HERE
PLEASE WATCH THE TRAILER,(it opens in your browser) before you post something ignorant.
WMV...
http://www.theunionmovie.com/wmv_large.html
Quicktime....
http://www.theunionmovie.com/quicktime_large.html

WEBSITE
http://www.theunionmovie.com/TheUnionWeb.html

If you want to watch it without downloading, or buying...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#

Now, TRY ME?!?!?! haha, ya'll got nothing!

[thecrazyone]

and remember, alcohol was once illegal herin the U.S, and when it was it thrived in the undrground speak ease's.

and marijuna was once LEGAL, in fact is was ILLEGAL NOT TO GROW IT.

[David88vert]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

[seriousb13]

old video. This has already been posted and discussed many many times.

[dallasb84]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

[BanginJimmy]

I wont bother watching the movie, but I can say that a documentary can be edited to prove ANY point you want it to. All you have to do is speak with the doctors, politicians, celebrities, researchers that support your side of the argument. It would be just as easy to do a documentary to support the fact that it is habit forming, a gateway drug and anything else.

[WhiteAccord]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

I could not agree with you more on the facts.... But unfortunately smoking the goods does NOT kill your brain cells.


ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????





thats what i thought

Yes I have been able to keep my 6 digit figure salary while smoking. Thanks.


I wont bother watching the movie, but I can say that a documentary can be edited to prove ANY point you want it to. All you have to do is speak with the doctors, politicians, celebrities, researchers that support your side of the argument. It would be just as easy to do a documentary to support the fact that it is habit forming, a gateway drug and anything else.


Unfortunately if you weren't so ignorant in jumping to conclusions. You would realize and underestand that this documentary is unbiased in any way. Following from that the documentary does not cut in and out like some biased docs are. The interviews in the doc have people who are unbiased towards the used of marijuana and give SOLID and FACTUAL information.

Plus the research I have done on the experiments that were conducted on the use of MJ comes out to be quite true on from every angle and on every level.

[thecrazyone]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

yep, been smoking weed for 7-8 years and have had 8-9 jobs, upgrading in pay at each one. Currently running a 4 million dollar company with 4 other people. kthnxbye

[thecrazyone]

UNLIKE THE IGNORANT STUFF Y'ALL SPEW ON HERE
haha, ya'll got nothing!



I wont bother watching the movie, but I can say that a documentary can be edited to prove ANY point you want it to. All you have to do is speak with the doctors, politicians, celebrities, researchers that support your side of the argument. It would be just as easy to do a documentary to support the fact that it is habit forming, a gateway drug and anything else.

:rolleyes:

[BanginJimmy]

:rolleyes:


speechless?

[BABY J]

LOL @ this shit.

Potheads don't deserve to run shit - much less a company.

[thecrazyone]

LOL @ this shit.

Potheads don't deserve to run shit - much less a company.

lol if you or anyone you know owns anything APPLE, i would be thanking us, Steve Jobs came up with apple while smoking weed.

but i digress, i dont want to take this thread to the usual back and forth he say she say.

[ash7]

fact: thecrazyone has started 4 threads dealing with marijuana in the past month.

potheads = two thumbs down
-jonathan

[i4_garage]

lol herb is goodshitt!

[Gorilla Eg!]

I smoke tha ganj :)

[Gorilla Eg!]

yep, been smoking weed for 7-8 years and have had 8-9 jobs, upgrading in pay at each one. Currently running a 4 million dollar company with 4 other people. kthnxbye

need an assistant? lol :cheers:

[dallasb84]

well i never said getting a good job cant be done..... and no matter what, a good work ethic regardless of personal habits is rewarded..... but......... even as a pothead you must agree that some potheads.....are worthless motherfuckers....

and.... in an industrial environment, dangerous surroundings, or when you are relying on another person i would say doing drugs should be abstained from whether its legal or not. to include alcohol.....

when the thc byproducts are in your system and you are detoxing..... your body is lethargic and your sense of critical thinking is slowed. this is "scientifically" proven..

most of the time a chronic user will feel this after a week or so after quitting



with that being said.... when you work in the field i do.... i would prefer to work with clean individuals over potheads.

[ChnkyLao]

work places will treat pot like any other drug, alcohol, and cigerates,

they won't care you do it outside of work as long as it doesn't effect you inside of work. If weed ever becomes legalized i see all the dumbasses come into work high and getting fired because they can't work efficiently

becuase of the economy i wouldnt do anything to hurt my job

[BABY J]

I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

[WhiteAccord]

well i never said getting a good job cant be done..... and no matter what, a good work ethic regardless of personal habits is rewarded..... but......... even as a pothead you must agree that some potheads.....are worthless motherfuckers....

and.... in an industrial environment, dangerous surroundings, or when you are relying on another person i would say doing drugs should be abstained from whether its legal or not. to include alcohol.....

when the thc byproducts are in your system and you are detoxing..... your body is lethargic and your sense of critical thinking is slowed. this is "scientifically" proven..

most of the time a chronic user will feel this after a week or so after quitting



with that being said.... when you work in the field i do.... i would prefer to work with clean individuals over potheads.

I completely Agree... There are some people who are just complete bums.

[5speed]

I could not agree with you more on the facts.... But unfortunately smoking the goods does NOT kill your brain cells.


LOL Do you really believe this? Just proving the fact that even if you make big money you can still be an idiot.

I think marijuana isnt as bad as alcohol, and should be legal but regulated harshly.

[bigdare23]

I believe marijuana should be legal and just CONTROLLED just like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the shit out of it and BAM there's another form of revenue for the government (yea yea I know easier said then done).



Baby J,
You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.



From personal experiences (I'm a professional student LOL), I have been around both drunks and potheads. Weed smokers tend to be more laid back, chilled, and hungry (LOL). I never seen one start a fight or anything crazy. They do tend to talk really crazy though. As for drunks, the ranged from passed-out to loud/rude and acting real crazy (fighting and such). So I would rather be around a people smoking then drinking (minus the smell).


(And this is coming from a person that has been drug free since birth, and will always be.)

[btstone]

i dont smoke. i used to. its horrible for your lungs just like cigs...therefor hendering my workout. thats all the facts i need.....(i dont drink either)

and yeah i make hella money too, so dont come at me with the jobs and salary shit because no one is gonna hold there own next to me.

[5speed]

If weed was regulated and taxed then our economy would get better.
Not the solution but def could be apart of it.

[5speed]

If weed was regulated and taxed then our economy would get better.
Not the solution but def could be apart of it.

[oneSLOWex]

Hippies.

[bu villain]

I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

Too late, they already do.

[Total_Blender]

Originally Posted by BABY J http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?p=38780316#post38780316)
I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

Replace "smokes pot" in your above statement with "watches Glenn Beck," or "drinks alcohol," or "eats mayonnaise" and you'll see how I feel and how a lot of people feel. In the end you can't pick and choose every little thing that every person you turn to for a good or service does.

The fact that its illegal doesn't deter anyone from smoking pot. Its really part of the appeal of the rebellious lifestyle for kids nowadays, and if you were to legalize it in a managed fashion similar to Europe and Canada it would lose some of that appeal.

[BanginJimmy]

The fact that its illegal doesn't deter anyone from smoking pot.

It may not deter the dim witted or the career students, but I can assure you that that fact alone deters a VERY great many people, myself included. For those of us with real jobs, the possibility of being drug tested is enough to keep me from ever smoking again.

[thecrazyone]

LOL Do you really believe this?

Ofcourse he does, b/c its true..The ONLY study the government gets there brain damage info from, is when they tested monkey's, and they hooked them up to gas masks pumping full of pot smoke and thats it, no fresh oxygen, they suffocated them and gave them brain damage.



its horrible for your lungs just like cigs

WOW, can you say ignorant, its not even close to cigs. how much do you know about cannabis?? You know how many universities have shown that pot doesnt cause any serious or long term effects on your lungs.

AND..if it is so horrible for your lungs where's the proof, why arnt they parading around the bodies and lungs of pot smokers to show what happens.......because they dont exist.

[oneSLOWex]

I used to smoke until I wanted to get shit done and be in touch with the real world.

Smoking makes me feel like a dumb slob. I cant concentrate on shit and all I want to do is eat. Also makes day to day things harder to comprehend and process. Personally, i feel like a much better person and function much better not smoking.

Im not against anyone who wants to smoke...but it does affect you in one way or another no matter what you think. Also, for those of you who smoke and have any sort of job....wait till you get hurt at work...not only will you be out of work but your medical bills wont get paid either.

[thecrazyone]

I used to smoke until I wanted to get shit done and be in touch with the real world.

Smoking makes me feel like a dumb slob. I cant concentrate on shit and all I want to do is eat. Also makes day to day things harder to comprehend and process. Personally, i feel like a much better person and function much better not smoking.

Im not against anyone who wants to smoke...but it does affect you in one way or another no matter what you think. Also, for those of you who smoke and have any sort of job....wait till you get hurt at work...not only will you be out of work but your medical bills wont get paid either.

Your post confuses me, just because you cant "get shit done in the real world" doesnt mean others cant.

Well obviously pot is not for you, but maybe it doesnt affect others the same way, everyone's different. Also, look at the big picture, 14 states have pro medical marijuana laws so having it in their system has no consequence if they are hurt on a job.

Seems like you are pushing your opinions into beliefs.

[David88vert]

You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.


Fact: Weed smokers in the USA, who do not have a prescription, practice bad judgment.

He probably doesn't want someone teaching his kid who regularly shows bad judgment by choosing to break the law. Imagine that crazy thought.

Alcohol is legal, weed is illegal - that is not opinion, that is fact.

[oneSLOWex]

Your post confuses me, just because you cant "get shit done in the real world" doesnt mean others cant.

Well obviously pot is not for you, but maybe it doesnt affect others the same way, everyone's different. Also, look at the big picture, 14 states have pro medical marijuana laws so having it in their system has no consequence if they are hurt on a job.

Seems like you are pushing your opinions into beliefs.

Im not trying to push anything on anybody....just stating my opinion. An opinion and a belief are pretty much the same thing so I fail to see what you were trying to do with that. Maybe you meant facts or maybe trying to push my opinion onto someone else?

Also, the states with medical marijuana use laws, in a situation where someone got hurt on the job....wouldnt that only apply to someone who was legally supposed to be smoking it?

[Total_Blender]

It may not deter the dim witted or the career students, but I can assure you that that fact alone deters a VERY great many people, myself included. For those of us with real jobs, the possibility of being drug tested is enough to keep me from ever smoking again.

Its the possibility of being tested and subsequently losing your job thats the deterrent though, not just that its illegal. "Career students" who smoke are at tremendous risk too because even the smallest possession bust can cause them to lose just about any form of financial aid/scholarship.

I'm not saying that every airplane pilot or train conductor should go out and get blazed before going to work. In the event of legalization there will be standards for certain professions who have jobs where safety is a concern. Alcohol is perfectly legal, but airline pilots and train conductors are forbidden from being intoxicated while on the job, I don't think legalized pot would be any different.

[BanginJimmy]

Its the possibility of being tested and subsequently losing your job thats the deterrent though, not just that its illegal. "Career students" who smoke are at tremendous risk too because even the smallest possession bust can cause them to lose just about any form of financial aid/scholarship.


Now for the 10k question. Why is that test a deterrent? Answer, cause its illegal.

This idea that just because people do it anyways it should be legal is complete BS. I dont want to hear about alcohol or cigs either as I completely understand that there is no reason for them to be legal and weed not to be. I dont understand it, but all I can say is that they are both longstanding item in our society whereas weed is not. I know it has been used for hundreds of years, but the US is a European like society and it was not used in Europe until relatively recently.

[bigdare23]

Fact: Weed smokers in the USA, who do not have a prescription, practice bad judgment.

He probably doesn't want someone teaching his kid who regularly shows bad judgment by choosing to break the law. Imagine that crazy thought.

Alcohol is legal, weed is illegal - that is not opinion, that is fact.


Can't argue the fact that it's illegal :goodjob:

Let's looking at speeders. 85mph in a 65mph zone, what are they thinking :eek:. I hope teacher never speed, since speeders "practice bad judgment" daily. See how your comment can be flipped. Shit even drug free people use bad judgment on a daily basis. I pretty sure you don't do everything strictly by the book, but that doesn't automatically mean you "practice bad judgment".


Lets see your thought process. Lets even the playing field. Let's say alcohol and weed are both illegal or both legal. How would you feel then? Is weed worse than alcohol only because it's illegal? Or are you more concern about the effects of smoking weed? (Or are you just going to discredit this paragraph and not answer because weed isn't legal?)


Like I said before, I'm drug free. So weed being legal or illegal wont bother me one bit. It's just hypocritical that people the want to keep weed illegal, while alcohol intoxicated people continue to kill innocent people. So my stand in this argument is, if weed is illegal, alcohol should be also. Can anyone give me a reason why alcohol should be legal while weed isn't?

[cpearson]

lol @ this thread.

[95alty]

I dont have anything against people who smoke...

But look at it in this sense----

Would you want a ton of Americas Finest fighting wars high?
Would you want us bombing other people high?
Would you honestly want us watching the nation "high"?

[BABY J]

I believe marijuana should be legal and just CONTROLLED just like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the shit out of it and BAM there's another form of revenue for the government (yea yea I know easier said then done).

Baby J,
You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.

From personal experiences (I'm a professional student LOL), I have been around both drunks and potheads. Weed smokers tend to be more laid back, chilled, and hungry (LOL). I never seen one start a fight or anything crazy. They do tend to talk really crazy though. As for drunks, the ranged from passed-out to loud/rude and acting real crazy (fighting and such). So I would rather be around a people smoking then drinking (minus the smell).

(And this is coming from a person that has been drug free since birth, and will always be.)

Controlled? You mean controlled like alcohol? Like teenagers getting drunk and killing people/themselves on the road? Kids dieing of cancer from cigarettes? Controlled like the gov is controlling guns --- 9 year olds taking handguns to school and killing people? Please tell me that you are referring to a different type of control. Our gov can't control anything - one of the best efforts they have at doing so is making something illegal w/ stiff penalties to pay if those laws are broken.

The simple fact is that there are LOTS of people who don't speed JUST b/c the speed limit is posted on a sign beside the road. There are LOTS of people who don't drink and drive JUST b/c it's illegal. Legalizing marijuana would force employers to do the job that the government should be doin - firing people who are drug addicts... there goes more people on unemployment who want to stay home and get high while my tax dollars pays for it. There goes more crime b/c the unemployed feel they need a life of crime to make ends meet. There goes the service industry b/c the dummy on the other end of the phone at Bank of America is too high to know where to transfer my money. There goes doctors being corrupt and writing bogus (even moreso than now) prescriptions for each other as well as the general dumbass public. I could go on.

You make some good points on paper - but that is not realistic IMO. I don't know of a better solution than leaving this as it is.

[dallasb84]

Now for the 10k question. Why is that test a deterrent? Answer, cause its illegal.

This idea that just because people do it anyways it should be legal is complete BS. I dont want to hear about alcohol or cigs either as I completely understand that there is no reason for them to be legal and weed not to be. I dont understand it, but all I can say is that they are both longstanding item in our society whereas weed is not. I know it has been used for hundreds of years, but the US is a European like society and it was not used in Europe until relatively recently.


hey..... apply for a job in palmdale ca with a prescription for pot.....and you wont get the job....

get hurt in palmdale...with a prescription for pot and get tested positive.....lose your job....

its not okay to do drugs.... period....

that goes for loratab
oxycontin
codine
and so on......


get off the dope and grow up a bit..... granted alcohol just doesnt cut it... and weed might be great and all.... i wont argue.....

but... being sober and clean with a great job is a hell of alot better than being able to roll one and put it in the air.

if you got a great job and are making tons of money and can smoke dope..... sweet.....

get popped or arrested for possesion and see how long your job lasts.
thats the issue right there

[driftyboy]

No one can even come in here bashing, cause it doesn't matter, i KNOW whats right, if you're to ignorant to watch this movie, or even the trailer, than you mean nothing to me, and nothing you say matters.

People should have read this line before posting in this thread. With or against pot, try the movie out. You might learn something.

[Total_Blender]

There goes the service industry b/c the dummy on the other end of the phone at Bank of America is too high to know where to transfer my money. .

Most people who drink don't go to work drunk, why do you think people who smoke would be high at work? I'd lose my job if I showed up drunk just the same as if I'd lose it if I showed up high.

For the record, I don't smoke. But if it were legal and there wasn't the risk of losing my job and financial aid, I'd probably use it now and then to help with my insomnia, which is currently un-treated because I don't like pills. Weed really doesn't do much to me besides make me sleepy, and its probably better for me in the long run than sleeping pills or whatever.

[David88vert]

Can't argue the fact that it's illegal :goodjob:

Let's looking at speeders. 85mph in a 65mph zone, what are they thinking :eek:. I hope teacher never speed, since speeders "practice bad judgment" daily. See how your comment can be flipped. Shit even drug free people use bad judgment on a daily basis. I pretty sure you don't do everything strictly by the book, but that doesn't automatically mean you "practice bad judgment".


Lets see your thought process. Lets even the playing field. Let's say alcohol and weed are both illegal or both legal. How would you feel then? Is weed worse than alcohol only because it's illegal? Or are you more concern about the effects of smoking weed? (Or are you just going to discredit this paragraph and not answer because weed isn't legal?)


Like I said before, I'm drug free. So weed being legal or illegal wont bother me one bit. It's just hypocritical that people the want to keep weed illegal, while alcohol intoxicated people continue to kill innocent people. So my stand in this argument is, if weed is illegal, alcohol should be also. Can anyone give me a reason why alcohol should be legal while weed isn't?


Speeding is not a chemical that impairs a person's brain process. Drugs and alcohol are. Compare apples to apple, not oranges. Conciously breaking a law to smoke something that impairs your judgment is not something that would fail under common sense thinking.

If alcohol was illegal, I'd answer the same way for alcohol. Legalize weed, and it will be the same as alcohol. Abuse either and you go to jail.

I don't care if they make weed legal, or if they make alcohol illegal. Currently though, weed is illegal, and alcohol is legal, so any other arguments are moot.

[Total_Blender]

Street racing and speeding are both bad judgement calls too. And probably 75% of this forum street races/speeds, including some of those who are the most against legalizing MJ. Theres enough bad judgement so that everyone involved in this discussion can have a slice. :2cents:

[bigdare23]

Now this is going to be fun :D


Speeding is not a chemical that impairs a person's brain process. Drugs and alcohol are. Compare apples to apple, not oranges.

Are you 100% sure? Why do people speed? A. To get from point A to point B, and/or B. To get a rush (I bet you fall in this category since I see a bike in your avatar :D). How do they get that rush? It's because their body release an increase amount of hormone called Epinephrine (aka adrenaline). People can become overwhelm by this hormone (aka natural drug) that can "impairs a person's brain process" (ever see a minor confrontation turn into a fist fight, I bet adrenaline had something to do with it :goodjob:). So you're right speeding is not a "chemical", but speed can cause a natural "chemical" in your body to be release more into your system impeding your judgment. So I view my example relative to my argument :goodjob:

"Drugs and alcohol are"

Thanks for helping me prove my point. :goodjob: If one is legal, the other should be also and visa versa.


"Compare apples to apple, not oranges."

I think not (refer back to my first paragraph) ;)




Conciously breaking a law to smoke something that impairs your judgment is not something that would fail under common sense thinking.

Not necessary, look back to prohibition days. They continued to drink, produce, and smuggle alcohol, and look what that led to...........legalizing it. I guess those rebels lack "common sense thinking". Now to think, after you get home, you can lay back, put your feet up, and "pop you a cold one" all because of those people who lacked "common sense thinking".




If alcohol was illegal, I'd answer the same way for alcohol. Legalize weed, and it will be the same as alcohol. Abuse either and you go to jail.

I don't care if they make weed legal, or if they make alcohol illegal. Currently though, weed is illegal, and alcohol is legal, so any other arguments are moot.

Time for the head shot....
I agree with you 100%!!! If it's illegal don't do the shit, but that's not the purpose of this thread. The purpose of this thread is should marijuana be illegal. The argument "marijuana is illegal" does not justify WHY IT SHOULD BE illegal. It justify why people shouldn't do marijuana. So throw that argument out the window in this debate. If you want to use the statement "it's impedes your judgment", cool :goodjob: But I will counter with, alcohol impedes your judgment yet it's still legal. I might add, it's PROVEN that the long terms (and short terms) effect of alcohol is far more severe than weed, yet it's still legal. Why is that?

If you against legalizing weed, I hope you don't drink :goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

so dont come at me with the jobs and salary shit because no one is gonna hold there own next to me.

Lolol. Later, QD.

[JdM_EJ2]

IMO if you have never smoked bud then you have no room to talk about how it impairs a person's brain process how would you know? you just repeat what you have heard from other people...and dont tell me doctors have done studies and tests cause bud reacts different to everyone...me personaly i can do alot of shiet when im high. i cant smoke a blunt and just chill there and not do shiet. just my :2cents:...if u dnt like weed or anything about it then just stay away from it.:doh:

[ISAtlanta300]

I believe marijuana should be legal and just CONTROLLED just like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the shit out of it and BAM there's another form of revenue for the government (yea yea I know easier said then done).



Baby J,
You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.



From personal experiences (I'm a professional student LOL), I have been around both drunks and potheads. Weed smokers tend to be more laid back, chilled, and hungry (LOL). I never seen one start a fight or anything crazy. They do tend to talk really crazy though. As for drunks, the ranged from passed-out to loud/rude and acting real crazy (fighting and such). So I would rather be around a people smoking then drinking (minus the smell).


(And this is coming from a person that has been drug free since birth, and will always be.)

You're assuming that every person that drinks automatically gets drunk. If I have a wine or two with dinner, I am still sober.

However, all weed smokers WILL get high.. that is the purpose of smoking weed. Otherwise you would be smoking cigs.

Therein lies the difference.

[Total_Blender]

However, all weed smokers WILL get high.. that is the purpose of smoking weed. Otherwise you would be smoking cigs.

Therein lies the difference.

Just as you can get nothing from drinking one beer or you can get shitty after drinking a fifth of liquor, there are varying degrees of intoxication for MJ according to how much is used and the individual's tolerance to it. Also, the effects of MJ don't last nearly as long. You can be stoned out of your gourd and be fine a half hour later, whereas with booze you stay drunk for hours, and you might feel groggy/hungover the next day.

Hell cigarettes affect brain chemistry too, and if you smoke enough tobacco you'll get high from that as well.

[David88vert]

Are you 100% sure? Why do people speed? A. To get from point A to point B, and/or B. To get a rush (I bet you fall in this category since I see a bike in your avatar :D). ...
"Drugs and alcohol are"

Thanks for helping me prove my point. :goodjob: If one is legal, the other should be also and visa versa.


"Compare apples to apple, not oranges."

I think not (refer back to my first paragraph) ;)




Not necessary, look back to prohibition days. They continued to drink, produce, and smuggle alcohol, and look what that led to...........legalizing it. I guess those rebels lack "common sense thinking". Now to think, after you get home, you can lay back, put your feet up, and "pop you a cold one" all because of those people who lacked "common sense thinking".




Time for the head shot....
I agree with you 100%!!! If it's illegal don't do the shit, but that's not the purpose of this thread. The purpose of this thread is should marijuana be illegal. The argument "marijuana is illegal" does not justify WHY IT SHOULD BE illegal. It justify why people shouldn't do marijuana. So throw that argument out the window in this debate. If you want to use the statement "it's impedes your judgment", cool :goodjob: But I will counter with, alcohol impedes your judgment yet it's still legal. I might add, it's PROVEN that the long terms (and short terms) effect of alcohol is far more severe than weed, yet it's still legal. Why is that?

If you against legalizing weed, I hope you don't drink :goodjob:


I do not fall into an "adrenaline" category. I don't ride my bike for a rush.

The AMA does not agree with your assessment of natually-produced adrenaline and impairment. http://jama.ama-assn.org They do have many studies and articles concerning impairment due to marijauna use.

Natural adrenaline is not the same as inhaling a foreign substance. Again, apple trees do not bear oranges.

As I said before, I do not care if weed is legal or illegal, nor does it matter to me if alcohol is legal or illegal. I do not require either to exist or enjoy life.
If they legalize marijuana, I am fine with it. But it is not legal right now, so defending the use of it is pointless.

Alcohol can be just as bad as marijuana, I do not disagree with that. Either can be abused, but if I choose to drink a beer and do not go over the legal limit, I am not going to jail. That is better judgment than possessing an item that will send you straight to a cell.

[David88vert]

...Also, the effects of MJ don't last nearly as long. You can be stoned out of your gourd and be fine a half hour later, whereas with booze you stay drunk for hours, and you might feel groggy/hungover the next day.....


That disagrees with many published studies from doctors. Here is one:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/275/7/521?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Many more on JAMA.

[Total_Blender]

If they legalize marijuana, I am fine with it. But it is not legal right now, so defending the use of it is pointless.
.

Because we all know that the government is always right. :rolleyes:

You guys kill me... anything about raising taxes 1% is "government tyranny" and "taking our rights," but a substance that probably 80% of Americans will try in their lifetimes and 10% use on a regular basis being illegal with felony consequences is perfectly OK.

[BABY J]

Alcohol can be just as bad as marijuana, I do not disagree with that. Either can be abused, but if I choose to drink a beer and do not go over the legal limit, I am not going to jail. That is better judgment than possessing an item that will send you straight to a cell.

Stop making sense. You're scaring the natives.

[thecrazyone]

so defending the use of it is pointless.



Stop making sense. You're scaring the natives.

Do y'all even understand what's going on in this thread, it was about WHY it is illegal, not legalize so i can get high, I was trying to inform you on the uses, of the plant and buds, and you take it and mash it up and come back with, it's illegal :blah:, no shit, but WHYYYYYY? dummies.

[BABY J]

It is illegal bc advocates for marijuana legalization rarely present an appealing case, as show in this thread. Dummies.

You got your answer.

/thread

[thecrazyone]

It is illegal bc advocates for marijuana legalization rarely present an appealing case, as show in this thread. Dummies.

You got your answer.

/thread

That is by far the LAST reason it is illegal, try watching the movie, or atleast the trailer.

ALSO, if no appealing case that why do 14 states allow use of it?

[thecrazyone]

ALSOOO, Did you know that the U.S government has a patent on using cannabis as medicine? Think about that...dont believe me..

U.S. Patent # 6630507
In 2003, the U.S. Government as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services filed for, and was awarded a patent on cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. U.S. Patent 6630507

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html

Abstract
Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia. Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention. A particular disclosed class of cannabinoids useful as neuroprotective antioxidants is formula (I) wherein the R group is independently selected from the group consisting of H, CH.sub.3, and COCH.sub.3. ##STR1##

So if the US Gov. says that MMJ has no use, why the hell did they file a Patent on it?

[EJ25RUN]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

This post. Read it again. Then read it again after that because it makes sense every time.

[allmotorEJ8]

get popped or arrested for possesion and see how long your job lasts. thats the issue right there

:blah::blah::blah:

Got "popped" with it while employed with a pretty big company. I didn't loose my job, but got a pretty hefty fine. Never smoked before I went into work, EVER! I had a lot of responsibility on my hands at that job. Not everyone that smokes is an ignorant fool.

[BABY J]

^ Says the person that got "popped".

[David88vert]

Because we all know that the government is always right. :rolleyes:

You guys kill me... anything about raising taxes 1% is "government tyranny" and "taking our rights," but a substance that probably 80% of Americans will try in their lifetimes and 10% use on a regular basis being illegal with felony consequences is perfectly OK.

Fact: The government is not always right.
We definitely agree on this - as should everyone else in this thread.

Like I said before - personally, I don't care if it is legalized or not. I don't use it. I'm one of the 20%.

I do think that it is humorous that a pothead thinks that one biased video suddenly will overturn multiple published medical studies, and suddenly convince Congress to change the law. I wonder how many congressmen surf IA when they are not in session? :D

[thecrazyone]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....


This post. Read it again. Then read it again after that because it makes sense every time.

:blah: DO Y'ALL EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?

DUH! Its illegal, we all know that, but WHY???


It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal
DOESNT MATTER?!?! are you crazy, do you know what you're saying? That is exactly what matters, and what this thread was started for. Learn to read.

[Total_Blender]

I do think that it is humorous that a pothead thinks that one biased video suddenly will overturn multiple published medical studies, and suddenly convince Congress to change the law. I wonder how many congressmen surf IA when they are not in session? :D

I'm with you on that one... but as far as published medical studies go I would think theres enough evidence both for and against to at least warrant further research. Most of the studies referenced by those who are against MJ date back to the 1930's-1950's when they tied MJ in with rhetoric against Blacks, Mexicans, immigrants, and communists.

The Netherlands and Canada heven't fallen apart since they implemented policies of non-enforcement... unemployment in the Netherlands is the lowest in the EU at 4%. Drug use rates for all types of drugs in the Netherlands are lower than in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Netherlands

http://www.drugpolicy.org/global/drugpolicyby/westerneurop/thenetherlan/

As far as that being a biased video, I can't comment on it as I haven't seen it. But I do know that the BBC did a good documentary called "Should I smoke pot?" or something like that a couple of years ago, and it had a neutral perspective.

[BABY J]

Super - so Potheads can move there. Problem solved. LOL

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Nida_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html

And LOL at comparing MJ from the 30s - 50s to the hot-rodded pot of today - that's funny.

[thecrazyone]

Super - so Potheads can move there. Problem solved. LOL

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Nida_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html

And LOL at comparing MJ from the 30s - 50s to the hot-rodded pot of today - that's funny.

Heard that one before, there has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be better pot than the day before, and it has been like that forever, just because technology has advanced with nutriants and different hydro setups means nothing.

You would be like the person saying the Panama red from the 70's was to strong. LOL

ALSO, if sooo many people are hurt/killed by pot, where are all the Universities showing off the bodies and organs that have been damaged? O, thats right, THEY DONT HAVE THEM, so they use people killed by cigs to show the smoke damage.

[BABY J]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2542461720070426

Yeah - I'm making shit up.

[thecrazyone]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2542461720070426

Yeah - I'm making shit up.

No you're not, i just said pot is going to get stronger everyday, its a good thing, there is more THC than that report says, some weed have up to 25-30 percent THC, the good stuff, but why do you think there is such thing as hash which is upwards of 60 percent THC, in cali they have stuff called Bc BUDDER, its 97 percent THC, but what does that mean?.....you get HIGHer, thats the point, like Obama said.."i inhaled, that was the point".

but way to avoid, and walk aroudn my point, where are all the bodies and lungs of pot smokers, you would think since its so bad and it does so much damage the goverment would be parading them around....but they cant, cause they dont exist.

so back to my main point and fact...ANY argument on why marijuana should be illegal just got proven wrong , Show me some proof of a death from pot, show me where all the bodies of smokers are.

When you type tobacco lungs in google you get nasty pics of lungs, when you type weed/marijuana lungs, you get picture sof weed LOLOLOLOLOL. GTFO

[thecrazyone]

READ IT AND WEEP

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/#psych

:lmfao::lmfao::yes::yes::tongue1::tongue1:

[BABY J]

You sound like a dummy if you think there is not stronger weed out there. That is the entire point I hear dumbass potheads making when looking for a seller... who has the "good good" and who sells the bullshit. Save it man.

[thecrazyone]

You sound like a dummy if you think there is not stronger weed out there. That is the entire point I hear dumbass potheads making when looking for a seller... who has the "good good" and who sells the bullshit. Save it man.

HOLY SHIT, DUDE MY PAST 2 POST SAYS I KNOW THERE IS STRONGER WEED, ITS A GOOD THING

JESUS CHRIST, SHOWS HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE.

[thecrazyone]

there has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be better pot than the day before, and it has been like that forever


No you're not, i just said pot is going to get stronger everyday, its a good thing, there is more THC than that report says, some weed have up to 25-30 percent THC, the good stuff, but why do you think there is such thing as hash which is upwards of 60 percent THC, in cali they have stuff called Bc BUDDER, its 97 percent THC, but what does that mean?.....you get HIGHer, thats the point, like Obama said.."i inhaled, that was the point".


:lmfao:

[BABY J]

HOLY SHIT, DUDE MY PAST 2 POST SAYS I KNOW THERE IS STRONGER WEED, ITS A GOOD THING

JESUS CHRIST, SHOWS HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE.

The link you posted (if u learn how to read) says that weed is the same potency as always - I'll show you below:


READ IT AND WEEP

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/#psych (http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/#psych)

:lmfao::lmfao::yes::yes::tongue1::tongue1:

Now YOU'RE the dummy. That shows what being a pothead does for you.

[BABY J]

Since you're obv a pothead I'll show you what the link YOU posted says:::

"Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects."

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::


And THIS kids, is why you don't use drugs - this fucker doesn't even know what point he is trying to make.

[thecrazyone]

The link you posted (if u learn how to read) says that weed is the same potency as always - I'll show you below:



Now YOU'RE the dummy. That shows what being a pothead does for you.

UMMM OK LETS BREAK IT DOWN....excerpt from the website below...

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s.

ME-Ok, yes they are, its weed, its alwasy been weed, will always be weed. Water and sunlight is all you need to grow it.

A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency.

ME-What that means is, they used shitty mass grown mexican shwag, which is dirty poorly grown and contains nearly no THC. and compared it to the good homegrown stuff that someone grows a little ofg and take good care of it.

However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana.

ME- Kinda goes what what i just said. Newer studies show, that there has always been strong weed, the gov doesnt say that though.

Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous.

ME- TRUE, b/c you cant o.d on it, hence why there is concentrates(hash) so you can get wicked high.

Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects.

Me- basically, it alll gets ya high, wooptydo

[thecrazyone]

Since you're obv a pothead I'll show you what the link YOU posted says:::

"Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects."

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::


And THIS kids, is why you don't use drugs - this fucker doesn't even know what point he is trying to make.

i just fucked you up bad in my above post, YOU apparently have no idea what YOU"RE talkin about.

[BABY J]

UMMM OK LETS BREAK IT DOWN....excerpt from the website below...

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s.

ME-Ok, yes they are, its weed, its alwasy been weed, will always be weed. Water and sunlight is all you need to grow it.

A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency.

ME-What that means is, they used shitty mass grown mexican shwag, which is dirty poorly grown and contains nearly no THC. and compared it to the good homegrown stuff that someone grows a little ofg and take good care of it.

However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana.

ME- Kinda goes what what i just said. Newer studies show, that there has always been strong weed, the gov doesnt say that though.

Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous.

ME- TRUE, b/c you cant o.d on it, hence why there is concentrates(hash) so you can get wicked high.

Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects.

Me- basically, it alll gets ya high, wooptydo

http://www.toddolivas.com/blog/images/this_is_your_brain_on_steno-picture-of-steno-paper-brain.jpg

[thecrazyone]

Since you're obv a pothead I'll show you what the link YOU posted says:::

"Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects."

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::


And THIS kids, is why you don't use drugs - this fucker doesn't even know what point he is trying to make.

You're also making youself look like a tool, it says the DEA used low THC samples and compared them to the good shit, to make it seem liek there was a huge increase, as i previously said.

[thecrazyone]

http://www.toddolivas.com/blog/images/this_is_your_brain_on_steno-picture-of-steno-paper-brain.jpg

So again, you walk around the facts, you dont even knwo how to debate, o talk about it.

Do what i said, search tobacco lungs, and then find me weed lungs do it do it!

[BABY J]

The funny part is that you're the pothead - I'm not. LOL. Never have smoked, never needed it - never will.

Have fun changing the law (not) or have fun breaking it.

You tell me that u agree that weed is getting stronger then post a link that diasgrees with you - LOL. You don't have the IQ for me pothead. LOL. The 1st part of YOUR LINK says "Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past" - LOL. That means that YOUR LINK is saying that it's a MYTH - LMFAO. Dummy. Ha ha --- then you come back with you're very own "thecrazyone" interpretation of that paragraph which doesn't even make sense. LOL.... it's people like you who prove OTHER people's point so perfectly. LOL.

Call your congressman - see what he can do for ya. ;)

[99hatch]

Look, arguing over the internet ALWAYS ends up with people attacking each others posts and grammar, calling each other dumbasses. The fact is, Marijuana is not as bad as the government makes it out to be. Just like it used to be legal and Alcohol is illegal. It shouldnt be illegal, it is just a plant, it grows naturally. Its been here for the length of the world, like other plants. Its not addictive, its not dangerous, its not as bad as its made it out to be. No one in the history of pot has ever O.D.ed on it. The smoke is bad for you, yes, like any smoke, but there are ways around that. You dont have to smoke it. You can season food with it, inhale it with vapors, etc.

[thecrazyone]

The funny part is that you're the pothead - I'm not. LOL. Never have smoked, never needed it - never will.

Have fun changing the law (not) or have fun breaking it.

You tell me that u agree that weed is getting stronger then post a link that diasgrees with you - LOL. You don't have the IQ for me pothead. LOL. The 1st part of YOUR LINK says "Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past" - LOL. That means that YOUR LINK is saying that it's a MYTH - LMFAO. Dummy. Ha ha --- then you come back with you're very own "thecrazyone" interpretation of that paragraph which doesn't even make sense. LOL.... it's people like you who prove OTHER people's point so perfectly. LOL.

Call your congressman - see what he can do for ya. ;)

WATCH THE MOVIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[JdM_EJ2]

i say all those who smoke should just roll a blunt and spark that hoe...those that dont smoke...do whatever it is you do besides smoke lol

[BanginJimmy]

TIt shouldnt be illegal, it is just a plant, it grows naturally. Its been here for the length of the world, like other plants.

Opium comes from a naturally occurring plant also. So by your reasoning all opiates should also be legal.


Its not addictive, its not dangerous, its not as bad as its made it out to be.

Find me ANY proof that MJ is in no way addictive and I can prove otherwise. I will give you a little hint, physical addiction is not the only form of addiction.

[thecrazyone]

Opium comes from a naturally occurring plant also. So by your reasoning all opiates should also be legal.



Find me ANY proof that MJ is in no way addictive and I can prove otherwise. I will give you a little hint, physical addiction is not the only form of addiction.

You REALLY need to watch this movie. sooo ignorant.

There is no inherent chemical in weed that makes it addictive(unlike nicotine) or make you want to to harder drugs.

LOL marijuana is HABIT forming, if you smoke it for years, when you stop one day its goin to be weird and you/re not used toit, but there is no withdrawals which is a big part of addiction. and A LOT less physical symptoms i.e sweating, anxiousness, etc, its not crack for christ sake.

ALSO Did you know, the government gets to say its the most addictive drug solely because most people who get busted for pot choose a drug class over jail, once in that drug class they are a statistic. and since so many people smoke and get caught its the largest statitic.



EDIT: Lets see how someone else can put it into words...

In order to answer this question, we first need a definition of the word, "Addicted". Not too long ago, an addictive subtance was something that, when taken long enough, produced gross phsyiogical changes in the way the body worked, so that normal operation of the body was impossible without that substance being injested. And as the substance must, by definition, form a tolerance, higher and higher dosages (up to a point) were needed. This is the defintion of "additictive" I'm going to use for this explanation. Addictive is not the same as "habituating". Habituatingsubstances, using this definition, are things you crave, may even come to need, but do not create a gross physiological change in the way your body works (trace neurological/neurochemical changes can and do happen but, they're quite minor, and they aren't always substance-related: stroking a pet for instance, can cause such trace effects).

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

The active ingredient in Cannibis sativa is THC (delta 1 tetrahydrocannibinol). THC is active in very low dosages. Therapeutic THC is typically delivered 5mg tid (three times a day). As addiction in the sense I mean it is a gross process, tiny dosages typically don't generate the large-scale physiological changes a true addiction needs to get revved up (neurological yes; physio no). So most people, scientists and street-users, think of marijuana as non-addictive. A recent study at Columbia University offers potentially contradictory evidence, but it's still only one study and not accepted as universal fact at this time. As such, if you say THC is not clinically addictive, most of the world will agree with you.

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

In cases of marijuana habituation, I think the causal factors are obscure. With addictive drugs, we can see clear, obvious, repeatable effects in terms of addiction. With marijuana, we see far less predictable results. And why these results are not as predictable is not clear.

The basic fact is that most marijunana uses (maybe all marijuana users) do not display signs of addiction (as defined above)

TRY ME.

[thecrazyone]

Find me ANY proof that MJ is in no way addictive and I can prove otherwise. I will give you a little hint, physical addiction is not the only form of addiction.

Whats funny is if you ask anyone who actually smokes pot, they can tell you its not addicting, its that simple, how do you know so much about something you know nothing about. yea i said it.

[David88vert]

EDIT: Lets see how other can put it into words...

In order to answer this question, we first need a definition of the word, "Addicted". Not too long ago, an addictive subtance was something that, when taken long enough, produced gross phsyiogical changes in the way the body worked, so that normal operation of the body was impossible without that substance being injested. And as the substance must, by definition, form a tolerance, higher and higher dosages (up to a point) were needed. This is the defintion of "additictive" I'm going to use for this explanation. Addictive is not the same as "habituating". Habituatingsubstances, using this definition, are things you crave, may even come to need, but do not create a gross physiological change in the way your body works (trace neurological/neurochemical changes can and do happen but, they're quite minor, and they aren't always substance-related: stroking a pet for instance, can cause such trace effects).

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

The active ingredient in Cannibis sativa is THC (delta 1 tetrahydrocannibinol). THC is active in very low dosages. Therapeutic THC is typically delivered 5mg tid (three times a day). As addiction in the sense I mean it is a gross process, tiny dosages typically don't generate the large-scale physiological changes a true addiction needs to get revved up (neurological yes; physio no). So most people, scientists and street-users, think of marijuana as non-addictive. A recent study at Columbia University offers potentially contradictory evidence, but it's still only one study and not accepted as universal fact at this time. As such, if you say THC is not clinically addictive, most of the world will agree with you.

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

In cases of marijuana habituation, I think the causal factors are obscure. With addictive drugs, we can see clear, obvious, repeatable effects in terms of addiction. With marijuana, we see far less predictable results. And why these results are not as predictable is not clear.

The basic fact is that most marijunana uses (maybe all marijuana users) do not display signs of addiction (as defined above)

TRY ME.


Nice copy and paste from WikiAnswers.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_marijuana_addictive

WikiAnswers is a much more reputable resource than the Journal of the American Medical Association, right?

The fact is that marijuana dependancy is low, but it does exist.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/291/17/2114?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana+addiction&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT


And, of course, random people on WikiAnswers are more reliable that the US DOJ, right? The attached image is from the DEA's 2008 report on marijuana in the US. Is shows the rate of dependency in the US.

Here's a suggestion - if you say "try me", have some real documentation from some reliable, established sources first, not random quotes from individuals that have not established their authority on the issue. The person that you quoted as an authority wrote these Wiki Answer's - http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Special:Contributions&target=ip:ID1262466065 - the majority were about Cinderella - great source.....

[thecrazyone]

The attached image is from the DEA's 2008 report on marijuana in the US. Is shows the rate of dependency in the US.




You REALLY need to watch this movie. sooo ignorant.

ALSO Did you know, the government gets to say its the most addictive drug solely because most people who get busted for pot choose a drug class over jail, once in that drug class they are a statistic. and since so many people smoke and get caught its the largest statitic.


TRY ME.

:doh:

[PSINXS]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

yes and I have. although i dont anymore, but its really not that hard. its better than the alcoholics ive seen come to work.

[PSINXS]

I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

Too late for all of that. Sorry most of your service providers are smoking pot. And some are high on the job and you dont even know it. Ive worked at several auto shops and its rare u find a tech that doesnt smoke. and some did their best work high. its just how society is. I have hung out with doctors that smoke, teachers, managers, etc. they may not do it on the job(some may) but the fact is they smoke pot. it doesnt make them any less succesful or smarter.


I am a former avid user of marijuana. I dont smoke right now, beacause i no longer have the time, money, or desire to smoke. I maintained a 3.6 GPA at gwinnett tech, and graduated with honors. It didnt make me slack in school, be lazy a bout work, etc. Those are PERSONALITY FLAWS. Marijuana is bad because its illegal. If we swap marijuana and alocohol, then the argument would reverse, just alcohol would lose horribly. Marijuana was given a bad light by racism, and corporations not wanting to lose money to its many uses for textile production and the fact pharmaceutical companies couldnt regulate it. do some research.

[BABY J]

^^ I never said that it doesn't happen. Maybe you need to learn what "I don't want" means.

[thecrazyone]

^^ I never said that it doesn't happen. Maybe you need to learn what "I don't want" means.

i know :police: who smoke

:ninja:

and i know a guy that designs nuclear equipment that LOVES to smoke, he's rich as ball's and sits in his huge house all day smokin

[PSINXS]

^^ I never said that it doesn't happen. Maybe you need to learn what "I don't want" means.

case in point is what you dont want does not matter. so y bother?

[BanginJimmy]

Whats funny is if you ask anyone who actually smokes pot, they can tell you its not addicting, its that simple, how do you know so much about something you know nothing about. yea i said it.

What gives you the impression that I know nothing about it?

And most people that use meth can tell you that they arent addicted either. They just let it consume their life because they like it. Alcoholics typically say they dont have a problem, even when everyone says they do.

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp

Read the section about physical effects and under the heading of "Is Marijuana addictive?". You will find exactly what I said. There is no real proof of physical addiction, but there is plenty of evidence to call it psychologically addictive.

[thecrazyone]

What gives you the impression that I know nothing about it?

And most people that use meth can tell you that they arent addicted either. They just let it consume their life because they like it. Alcoholics typically say they dont have a problem, even when everyone says they do.

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp

Read the section about physical effects and under the heading of "Is Marijuana addictive?". You will find exactly what I said. There is no real proof of physical addiction, but there is plenty of evidence to call it psychologically addictive.

HABIT FORMING, get it right

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

[PSINXS]

arent most addictions psychological anyways? an addiction depends on what a person will allow their mind to tell them.

and my question is this, If you smoke y do u care what a nonsmoker thinks? enjoy yourself.

and if you dont smoke, y do u give a fuck about the people that do? mind your goddamn business. if i am not standing next to you blowing clouds in your face, shut up about what I do on my personal time.
thats like me telling u not to masturbate to porn because I think its wrong. as long as you arent skeeting on my carpet, whack it till it falls off.

Sometimes an opinon should be kept where it started, with yourself.

[BanginJimmy]

HABIT FORMING, get it right

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.


How is habit forming different than addictive in anything more than a technical sense? I know people that smoked cigs for many years then quit with little to no withdrawal issues, and I know people that have tried everything under the sun to quit and still not work. Some people are simply just more preordained to addiction than others.

Its the same as a gambling addiction. There isnt physical addiction at all. It is a purely psychological one.

[BanginJimmy]

arent most addictions psychological anyways? an addiction depends on what a person will allow their mind to tell them.

Not at all. There are actual measurable physical effects that some drugs have that will cause an addict real pain from withdrawal. These are caused by chemical reactions in the brain.




and if you dont smoke, y do u give a fuck about the people that do? mind your goddamn business. if i am not standing next to you blowing clouds in your face, shut up about what I do on my personal time.

When does this end though? What happens with those that commit crimes for the drugs? Dont give me the BS about people dont commit crimes because of weed either.

[PSINXS]

Not at all. There are actual measurable physical effects that some drugs have that will cause an addict real pain from withdrawal. These are caused by chemical reactions in the brain.





When does this end though? What happens with those that commit crimes for the drugs? Dont give me the BS about people dont commit crimes because of weed either.

thats a small number of drugs with PHYSICAL dependency, alcohol being one of them. but we r talking about weed.

Ppl commit crimes for anything! stealing candy, stealing beer, robbing drug dealers for weed or cash or whatever, robbing banks for money.

wow, this place is peachy clean and crime free, weed would just ruin everything:rolleyes: wtf are you thinking? crime is and always will be here. whether weed is legal or not.

[BanginJimmy]

wtf are you thinking? crime is and always will be here. whether weed is legal or not.


In that case, the same could be said of meth, coke, and hero. Maybe all of those should be completely legal also.

[seriousb13]

In that case, the same could be said of meth, coke, and hero. Maybe all of those should be completely legal also.

Don't compare weed to meth, coke, and heroin. Weed is no where close in being harmful.

[99hatch]

I am a former avid user of marijuana. I dont smoke right now, beacause i no longer have the time, money, or desire to smoke. I maintained a 3.6 GPA at gwinnett tech, and graduated with honors. It didnt make me slack in school, be lazy a bout work, etc. Those are PERSONALITY FLAWS. Marijuana is bad because its illegal. If we swap marijuana and alocohol, then the argument would reverse, just alcohol would lose horribly. Marijuana was given a bad light by racism, and corporations not wanting to lose money to its many uses for textile production and the fact pharmaceutical companies couldnt regulate it. do some research.


Quoted for truth. Look these are the reasons its not legal right now:

1. Marijuana is a natural Medicine. It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact.

2. The molecular make up of the plant is a compound molecule that several other pharmaceutical drugs have taken parts of out of Marijuana and are on the market right now. Specifically anti depressants, and numerous others. Those of you against it, may realized that you are taking parts of the drug right now, but because it was broken down in a test tube and branded as something else, its ok, in your eyes and the government.

3. The Pharmaceutical industry is the #1 money making industry in America making over 960 Billion dollars a year. A natural drug that you can take, and helps with over 200 ailments would put a dent in this business. So even the money they would make from taxing it would not make up for the loss of business.

4. What business in America is the Government trying to take over right now. The Health care industry. So they would prefer you take all these other "legal" drugs that they can charge you for, that one that is dirt cheap to make yourself.

5. What is the #2 money making business in America. Private Prisons. In the last 20 years just the state of Texas has built over 70 new prisions. ~80% of all people incarcerated in the USA are for drugs. Roughly 4/5 of these are for Marijuana. Its big business. Plus if the government was to go back and legalized weed, they would have to admit that the ~7 Billion dollars a year that goes into "war on drugs" would be mostly a mistake. They would have to free up several people in prison for selling and/or growing Marijuana. This wont happen. We all know the Government wont admit they are wrong about anything, especially something they profit off of so well. Also The USA has more people per capita incarcerated than any other nation in the world. That is a fact. Even more so than the conflict in Africa a few years ago with the whole "blood diamonds." That is astronomical!

Also there has never been even 1 person who has died directly from Marijuana. Not one. So dont put it in the same category with meth, coke etc. To give you an idea, there are 5 million people that die every year from cigarettes world wide. Would i like to see Marijuana legalized. Absolutely! for medicine, for the strong fibers it would make and replace cotton, for the biofuel it can make and replace gas, etc. It is one of the most useful plants in the world. However I dont think it will happen in the USA because it would effect too many things.

[thecrazyone]

Quoted for truth. Look these are the reasons its not legal right now:

1. Marijuana is a natural Medicine. It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact.

2. The molecular make up of the plan is a compound molecule that several other pharmaceutical drugs have taken parts of out of Marijuana and are on the market right now. Specifically anti depressants, and numerous others. Those of you against it, may realized that you are taking parts of the drug right now, but because it was broken down in a test tube and branded as something else, its ok, in your eyes and the government.

3. The Pharmaceutical industry is the #1 money making industry in America making over 960 Billion dollars a year. A natural drug that you can take, and helps with over 200 ailments would put a dent in this business. So even the money they would make from taxing it would not make up for the loss of business.

4. What business in America is the Government trying to take over right now. The Health care industry. So they would prefer you take all these other "legal" drugs that they can charge you for, that one that is dirt cheap to make yourself.

5. What is the #2 money making business in America. Private Prisons. In the last 20 years just the state of Texas has built over 70 new prisions. ~80% of all people incarcerated in the USA are for drugs. Roughly 4/5 of these are for Marijuana. Its big business. Plus if the government was to go back and legalized weed, they would have to admit that the ~7 Billion dollars a year that goes into "war on drugs" would be mostly a mistake. They would have to free up several people in prison for selling and/or growing Marijuana. This wont happen. We all know the Government wont admit they are wrong about anything, especially something they profit off of so well. Also The USA has more people per capita incarcerated than any other nation in the world. That is a fact. Even more so than the conflict in Africa a few years ago with the whole "blood diamonds." That is astronomical!

Also there has never been even 1 person who has died directly from Marijuana. Not one. So dont put it in the same category with meth, coke etc. To give you an idea, there are 5 million people that die every year from cigarettes world wide. Would i like to see Marijuana legalized. Absolutely! for medicine, for the strong fibers it would make and replace cotton, for the biofuel it can make and replace gas, etc. It is one of the most useful plants in the world. However I dont think it will happen in the USA because it would effect too many things.

What a great write up, look at it this way, in 1996 when Cali legalized medical use, 10 other states starting writing bills for medical use, they see the use's, so hopefully they will follow suit when Cali fully legalizes.

[David88vert]

Quoted for truth. Look these are the reasons its not legal right now:


Also there has never been even 1 person who has died directly from Marijuana. Not one. So dont put it in the same category with meth, coke etc. To give you an idea, there are 5 million people that die every year from cigarettes world wide. Would i like to see Marijuana legalized. Absolutely! for medicine, for the strong fibers it would make and replace cotton, for the biofuel it can make and replace gas, etc. It is one of the most useful plants in the world. However I dont think it will happen in the USA because it would effect too many things.

Please cite your reference for your statement "It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact." - The AMA does not appear to have this knowledge through it's vast studies. I'm sure that they would benefit from this information.


What antidepressent drugs have been made from marijuana?

I agree that hemp is one of the most useful plants in the world. I would like to see other uses for it as well, besides smoking.

[David88vert]

So, the original question was - "Why is marijuana not legalized"

The following resources provide information about marijuana and why it remains a controlled substance (this list is from the White House website):

Legalization as a Non-Starter (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/news/press09/marijuana_legalization.pdf)
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base (http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376)
Medical Marijuana Fact Sheet (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/pdf/MedicalMarijuanFactSheet.pdf)
California City and County Listing of Illegal Store Front Ordinances (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/statelocal/California_listing.html)
Marijuana Myths & Facts: The Truth Behind 10 Popular Misperceptions (http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/marijuana_myths_facts.pdf)
What Americans Need to Know About Marijuana (http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/mj_rev.pdf)
Denial of Marijuana Rescheduling (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/../publications/pdf/fedreg041801.pdf)
The DEA Position on Marijuana (http://www.dea.gov/marijuana_position.html)

Medical uses? - Not according to the American Council for Drug Education

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
"There is, however, no solid evidence that smoking marijuana creates any greater benefits than approved medications (including oral THC) now used to treat these patients, relieve their suffering, or mitigate the side effects of their treatment. Anecdotal assertions of beneficial effects have yet to be confirmed by controlled scientific research."


What would the American Medical Association, the US Government, the American Council for Drug Education, the Drug Enforcement Agency, etc, know about the subject compared to a self-educated 22 year old, right? Surely, their funded controlled scientific studies cannot be compared to the smoke-it-at-home studies that you and your friend's conduct every weekend, right?

[thecrazyone]

So, the original question was - "Why is marijuana not legalized"

The following resources provide information about marijuana and why it remains a controlled substance (this list is from the White House website):

Legalization as a Non-Starter (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/news/press09/marijuana_legalization.pdf)
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base (http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376)
Medical Marijuana Fact Sheet (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/pdf/MedicalMarijuanFactSheet.pdf)
California City and County Listing of Illegal Store Front Ordinances (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/statelocal/California_listing.html)
Marijuana Myths & Facts: The Truth Behind 10 Popular Misperceptions (http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/marijuana_myths_facts.pdf)
What Americans Need to Know About Marijuana (http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/mj_rev.pdf)
Denial of Marijuana Rescheduling (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/../publications/pdf/fedreg041801.pdf)
The DEA Position on Marijuana (http://www.dea.gov/marijuana_position.html)

Medical uses? - Not according to the American Council for Drug Education

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
"There is, however, no solid evidence that smoking marijuana creates any greater benefits than approved medications (including oral THC) now used to treat these patients, relieve their suffering, or mitigate the side effects of their treatment. Anecdotal assertions of beneficial effects have yet to be confirmed by controlled scientific research."


What would the American Medical Association, the US Government, the American Council for Drug Education, the Drug Enforcement Agency, etc, know about the subject compared to a self-educated 22 year old, right? Surely, their funded controlled scientific studies cannot be compared to the smoke-it-at-home studies that you and your friend's conduct every weekend, right?


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[David88vert]

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[BanginJimmy]

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As we all know, if it is on youtube, it HAS to be true and unbiased.

[thecrazyone]

Please cite your reference for your statement "It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact." -

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[MachNU]

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[David88vert]

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/DrTodHMikuriya_list.htm

This is your best attempt yet to cite a reputable source. Here are the problems with it though:

1) The site is run by Dr. Jay Cavanaugh - who has not practiced since 1990.

2) He quotes Dr. Mikuriya, while a very educated doctor, died in 2007, and is obviously not practicing.

3) Dr. Mikuriya's book, where the list comes from, was citing O'Shaughnessy who introduced marijuana into the Western pharmacopoeia in 1839, the drug was promptly recommended for an utterly endless list of disorders - which is the list you have referenced.

The rationale for Dr. Mikuriya's book appears to be the editor's conviction that medicine should "rediscover" therapeutic uses of marijuana. In an attempt to buttress this thesis, he compiled 25 of the "better professional journal articles" from the past 133 years that pertain to various medicinal or scientific aspects of the drug. Most articles describe personal experiences, therapeutic applications with patients, acute clinical studies, or chemical and pharmacological endeavors.

I suggest that you find a list that the AMA current supports, not claims from non-practicing doctors. BTW - that doesn't exist.

[MachNU]

Want a cool thing, go to the main page of the site that copy rights that list that is 6 years old and read this at the very bottom...

Disclaimer

This website is dedicated to patients, caregivers, physicians, health care professionals, families, decision makers, and the general community. We at AAMC hope that the information and links prove educational.

AAMC recognizes that under the Controlled Substances Act, possession, use, distribution, sales, furnishing, cultivation, and transportation of cannabis are Federal offenses despite State Medical Cannabis laws.

Readers should take caution to not violate Federal law. AAMC does not sell or furnish any cannabis products. What we offer is education. Our own experiences, plainly stated, offer the best hope that decision makers will finally end the prohibition of medical cannabis.

AAMC is not responsible for the actions of others including those "linked" in this website. Nor is AAMC responsible for opinions expressed in this website other than to state our policy that dialogue and discussion can only be healthy.

Yours,
Dr. Jay R. Cavanaugh

[thecrazyone]

This is your best attempt yet to cite a reputable source. Here are the problems with it though:

1) The site is run by Dr. Jay Cavanaugh - who has not practiced since 1990.

2) He quotes Dr. Mikuriya, while a very educated doctor, died in 2007, and is obviously not practicing.

3) Dr. Mikuriya's book, where the list comes from, was citing O'Shaughnessy who introduced marijuana into the Western pharmacopoeia in 1839, the drug was promptly recommended for an utterly endless list of disorders - which is the list you have referenced.

The rationale for Dr. Mikuriya's book appears to be the editor's conviction that medicine should "rediscover" therapeutic uses of marijuana. In an attempt to buttress this thesis, he compiled 25 of the "better professional journal articles" from the past 133 years that pertain to various medicinal or scientific aspects of the drug. Most articles describe personal experiences, therapeutic applications with patients, acute clinical studies, or chemical and pharmacological endeavors.

I suggest that you find a list that the AMA current supports, not claims from non-practicing doctors. BTW - that doesn't exist.

PLEASE look over my post below instead of skipping it!

You and your AMA, how hard did you look? cause i found....

Results. The cannabis sativa plant contains more than 60 unique structurally related chemicals
(phytocannabinoids). Thirteen states have enacted laws to remove state-level criminal penalties for possessing marijuana for qualifying patients, however the federal government refuses to recognize that the cannabis plant has an accepted medical benefit. Despite the public controversy, less than 20 small randomized controlled trials of short duration involving ~300 patients have been conducted over the last 35 years on smoked cannabis. Many others have been conducted on FDA-approved oral preparations of THC and synthetic analogues, and more recently on botanical extracts of cannabis. Federal court cases have upheld the privileges of doctor-patient discussions on the use of cannabis for medicinal purposes but also preserved the right of the federal government to prosecute patients using cannabis for medicinal purposes. Efforts to reschedule marijuana from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act have been unsuccessful to date. Disagreements persist about the long term consequences of marijuana use for medicinal purposes

Conclusions. Results of short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis. However, the patchwork of state-based systems that have been established for “medical marijuana” is woefully inadequate in establishing even rudimentary safeguards that normally would be applied to the appropriate clinical use of psychoactive substances. The future of cannabinoid-based medicine lies in the rapidly evolving field of botanical drug substance development, as well as the design of molecules that target various aspects of the endocannabinoid system. To the extent that rescheduling marijuana out of Schedule I will benefit this effort, such a move can be supported

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/443/csaph-report3-i09.pdf

This one's good to
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/443/csaa-01.pdf

It talks about the AMA wanting more studies done on marijuana b/c they know there is medical benefits.

"What they are doing is showing respect for the rights of states to make decisions about the health and welfare of their citizens," said Bruce Mirken, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project. "Health is generally regulated on a state level, and there's a growing collection of medical literature documenting that [marijuana] is, for some people, effective and safe."
American Medical Association policy calls for further clinical research into the safety and efficacy of medical marijuana for... patients.


http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/11/23/prse1123.htm
another good read^^^

It is time to re-examine whether marijuana should be legally categorized as a schedule I drug, the AMA House of Delegates said at its Interim Meeting.

The goal of such a review is to facilitate "the conduct of clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines and alternate delivery methods," says the newly adopted house policy.

The current scheduling"limits the access to cannabinols for even research -- it is very difficult," said AMA Board of Trustees member Edward L. Langston, MD, a Lafayette, Ind., family physician. "We believe there should be a scientific review of cannabinols in the treatment of pain and other issues. ... We support research on the use of cannabinols for medical use."

"Schedule I is very appropriate for heroin and other noxious substances that have no place in medicine, but cannabinoids are useful drugs," said Melvyn Sterling, MD, a palliative care doctor and California Medical Assn. delegate who spoke on his own behalf. "There is compelling research that cannabinoids are helpful in treating the spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis and in persistent nausea associated with chemotherapy, and they may have other uses yet undiscovered. Why are they undiscovered? Because it's a schedule I drug."

Prevalence of Marijuana Use
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/291/17/2114?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Does Marijuana Use Cause the Use of Other Drugs? (gateway theory debunked by JAMA)
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/289/4/482?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Therapeutic Marijuana Use Supported While Thorough Proposed Study Done
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/281/16/1473?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

I can go on and one, the evidence is in, and JAMA knows it, MMJ is a good thing, but they have to battle with the DEA, to even do studies on it.

[David88vert]

This was by far your best argument yet. I have no problem with doctors performing controlled studies of medicinal uses. This last post is an agreement for all in this thread probably. This argument for medical use is best made by the AMA.

Unfortunately, this does not support your true goal and desire - legalization for recreational use. The AMA is not making this argument, so you will have to join a lobbist group, and discuss your support with your local congressional representative if you want that changed.

If you cannot explain why the federal law prohibiting it's recreational use should be overturned, you cannot expect your congressman to write a bill legalizing it.

[thecrazyone]

This was by far your best argument yet. I have no problem with doctors performing controlled studies of medicinal uses. This last post is an agreement for all in this thread probably. This argument for medical use is best made by the AMA.

Unfortunately, this does not support your true goal and desire - legalization for recreational use. The AMA is not making this argument, so you will have to join a lobbist group, and discuss your support with your local congressional representative if you want that changed.

If you cannot explain why the federal law prohibiting it's recreational use should be overturned, you cannot expect your congressman to write a bill legalizing it.

It was completely legal for 100's and 100's of years.

Then as everyone knows it was made illegal by a racist that said cannabis makes immigrants play satanic music and make white woman sleep with blacks.

then re legalized to produce hemp for war.

Now illegal again so certain people can get rich of big Pharma.

I want it to be legal for all reasons, rec and med use, the use of hemp, going green in all means of the word, if it was legal to grow and sell our economy would thrive, mexican cartel would be out of business...whens the last time you heard of someone selling tobacco on the streets, you dont, b/c the gov is in control and has a good(so to speak) system.

and as i have been trying to explain from the beginning of this thread is in this day and time, with everything we know, its unreasonable for it to be illegal.

one last point.....

I've smoked/smoke weed, yes, no surprise there, but thats it, i rarely drink now (did a lot in my teens) and i dont understand how anyone smokes or snorts something that has to be "cooked" over a stove, and has baking soda and who knows what else in it. (i didnt like the "and i bet she started by smoking pot" comment in that crackhead thread.)

You cant argue the fact its natural, and has grown on earth since the beginning of time, it is a seed bearing plant.

i dont know if you are religious but...

Genisis 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

You cant invent a seed.

and yes, hemp seeds and hemp can be made into food. but im sure you get my point.

[David88vert]

It was completely legal for 100's and 100's of years.

Then as everyone knows it was made illegal by a racist that said cannabis makes immigrants play satanic music and make white woman sleep with blacks.

then re legalized to produce hemp for war.

Now illegal again so certain people can get rich of big Pharma.

I want it to be legal for all reasons, rec and med use, the use of hemp, going green in all means of the word, if it was legal to grow and sell our economy would thrive, mexican cartel would be out of business...whens the last time you heard of someone selling tobacco on the streets, you dont, b/c the gov is in control and has a good(so to speak) system.

and as i have been trying to explain from the beginning of this thread is in this day and time, with everything we know, its unreasonable for it to be illegal.

one last point.....

I've smoked/smoke weed, yes, no surprise there, but thats it, i rarely drink now (did a lot in my teens) and i dont understand how anyone smokes or snorts something that has to be "cooked" over a stove, and has baking soda and who knows what else in it. (i didnt like the "and i bet she started by smoking pot" comment in that crackhead thread.)

You cant argue the fact its natural, and has grown on earth since the beginning of time, it is a seed bearing plant.

i dont know if you are religious but...

Genisis 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

You cant invent a seed.

and yes, hemp seeds and hemp can be made into food. but im sure you get my point.

Last I checked, making it illegal took a legislative bill from Congress (Controlled Substances Act of 1970). The other federal prohibition was in 1937, but records as to the testimonies are not as clear on that one. There are lots of conspiracy theories - you can find them on druglibrary.org if you want.

I agree that hemp has many legitimate uses outside of recreational use.

Now, go sell your viewpoint to your local congressman. Have you ever engaged him in any manner on this issue?

[99hatch]

PLEASE look over my post below instead of skipping it!

You and your AMA, how hard did you look? cause i found....

Results. The cannabis sativa plant contains more than 60 unique structurally related chemicals
(phytocannabinoids). Thirteen states have enacted laws to remove state-level criminal penalties for possessing marijuana for qualifying patients, however the federal government refuses to recognize that the cannabis plant has an accepted medical benefit. Despite the public controversy, less than 20 small randomized controlled trials of short duration involving ~300 patients have been conducted over the last 35 years on smoked cannabis. Many others have been conducted on FDA-approved oral preparations of THC and synthetic analogues, and more recently on botanical extracts of cannabis. Federal court cases have upheld the privileges of doctor-patient discussions on the use of cannabis for medicinal purposes but also preserved the right of the federal government to prosecute patients using cannabis for medicinal purposes. Efforts to reschedule marijuana from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act have been unsuccessful to date. Disagreements persist about the long term consequences of marijuana use for medicinal purposes

Conclusions. Results of short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis. However, the patchwork of state-based systems that have been established for “medical marijuana” is woefully inadequate in establishing even rudimentary safeguards that normally would be applied to the appropriate clinical use of psychoactive substances. The future of cannabinoid-based medicine lies in the rapidly evolving field of botanical drug substance development, as well as the design of molecules that target various aspects of the endocannabinoid system. To the extent that rescheduling marijuana out of Schedule I will benefit this effort, such a move can be supported

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/443/csaph-report3-i09.pdf

This one's good to
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/443/csaa-01.pdf

It talks about the AMA wanting more studies done on marijuana b/c they know there is medical benefits.

"What they are doing is showing respect for the rights of states to make decisions about the health and welfare of their citizens," said Bruce Mirken, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project. "Health is generally regulated on a state level, and there's a growing collection of medical literature documenting that [marijuana] is, for some people, effective and safe."
American Medical Association policy calls for further clinical research into the safety and efficacy of medical marijuana for... patients.


http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/11/23/prse1123.htm
another good read^^^

It is time to re-examine whether marijuana should be legally categorized as a schedule I drug, the AMA House of Delegates said at its Interim Meeting.

The goal of such a review is to facilitate "the conduct of clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines and alternate delivery methods," says the newly adopted house policy.

The current scheduling"limits the access to cannabinols for even research -- it is very difficult," said AMA Board of Trustees member Edward L. Langston, MD, a Lafayette, Ind., family physician. "We believe there should be a scientific review of cannabinols in the treatment of pain and other issues. ... We support research on the use of cannabinols for medical use."

"Schedule I is very appropriate for heroin and other noxious substances that have no place in medicine, but cannabinoids are useful drugs," said Melvyn Sterling, MD, a palliative care doctor and California Medical Assn. delegate who spoke on his own behalf. "There is compelling research that cannabinoids are helpful in treating the spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis and in persistent nausea associated with chemotherapy, and they may have other uses yet undiscovered. Why are they undiscovered? Because it's a schedule I drug."

Prevalence of Marijuana Use
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/291/17/2114?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Does Marijuana Use Cause the Use of Other Drugs? (gateway theory debunked by JAMA)
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/289/4/482?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Therapeutic Marijuana Use Supported While Thorough Proposed Study Done
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/281/16/1473?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marijuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

I can go on and one, the evidence is in, and JAMA knows it, MMJ is a good thing, but they have to battle with the DEA, to even do studies on it.

Well Said and Quoted!

[alpine_aw11]

Because we all know that the government is always right. :rolleyes:

You guys kill me... anything about raising taxes 1% is "government tyranny" and "taking our rights," but a substance that probably 80% of Americans will try in their lifetimes and 10% use on a regular basis being illegal with felony consequences is perfectly OK.

Yep. It remains illegal because the government does not enjoy admitting that they are wrong. Most lawmakers don't know shit for poop about the drugs they hate so much.

[99hatch]

There is so much money tied up in banning Marijuana that it will be tough for a congressman to step up and say we were wrong, without loosing his lobbyists. There are 1300 Pharmaceutical lobbyists in Washington and most have big money to back up politicians. However they do not want this natural drug to be made legal, as it would hurt their own financial agendas.

Its the same thing that is always behind any decision on that level......Money.

I think even those in the thread that have any kind of knowledge on the subject will say that it is not dangerous like all other illegal drugs. Even legal ones. There has never been one death directly related to Marijuana. Not one ever in the proven thousands of years of history where it has been used. Legal drugs however:

"In 1998 an extensive study published in the reputable Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed that 106,000 people die each year in American hospitals from medication side effects (4)."

[99hatch]

In fact some 16,500 a year are killed by asprin and other over the counter pain killers. These are more dangerous that marijuana.

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2010/01/25/zero-deaths-caused-by-vitamins-minerals-amino-acids-or-herbs/

[collins]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/stoned.jpg?w=500&h=374

[preferredduck]

and remember, alcohol was once illegal herin the U.S, and when it was it thrived in the undrground speak ease's.

and marijuna was once LEGAL, in fact is was ILLEGAL NOT TO GROW IT.

that is true, also a good one for ya
who sponsors a partnership for a drug free america

hmm, every alcohol company, pharma companies, phillip morris and camel joe, blue cross blue shield, phizer, astra zeneca, and many others, why, because they wont make $$$ and the booze and cig folks don't want it to be illegal so they make it look better. watch the american drug war, it has some cool stuff in it like how the CIA is the biggest drug importer of coke back in the iran contra, and the dude in charge now has a tv show, also since we have been to afghan in the was of 03 opium production is uo 90% since we got there, and now there are more drugs than ever in the us.

of course they don't want pot legal, then you can get off paxil, prozac, and wellbutrin all at the same time.

[preferredduck]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

so your saying the owner of apple iphones killed all his brain cells, what about our video games. guess how many really rich people smoke, 90% of them.

[David88vert]

so your saying the owner of apple iphones killed all his brain cells, what about our video games. guess how many really rich people smoke, 90% of them.

Jobs didn't design the iPhone. Jonathan Ive designed it, and is the real braines behind it. Johnathan Ive is not a known pothead.

Please post supporting evidence from a reputable source that 90% of the rich smoke - as the national average of users is much, much lower.

Seems to me that all that pot smoking has killed some of your brain cells....

[preferredduck]

Jobs didn't design the iPhone. Jonathan Ive designed it, and is the real braines behind it. Johnathan Ive is not a known pothead.

Please post supporting evidence from a reputable source that 90% of the rich smoke - as the national average of users is much, much lower.

Seems to me that all that pot smoking has killed some of your brain cells....

i know several wealthy business owners right here in GA that smoke daily, most of the technology we have now is from folks from the 60's and 70's and they were potheads. watch a few videos and do some research to see, hell clinton and bush bioth toked it up and became presidents, though bush seemed dumb, but i think it was from birth.

see that's being insulting. from my personal friends that i have known for 14+ years their brain cells didn't go til exstacy and meth, seriously. watch the video i referenced called the american drug war by kevin booth and you will see the point of what they hide. hell i bet prozac does more damage than pot!!!!

[David88vert]

i know several wealthy business owners right here in GA that smoke daily, most of the technology we have now is from folks from the 60's and 70's and they were potheads. watch a few videos and do some research to see, hell clinton and bush bioth toked it up and became presidents, though bush seemed dumb, but i think it was from birth.

see that's being insulting. from my personal friends that i have known for 14+ years their brain cells didn't go til exstacy and meth, seriously. watch the video i referenced called the american drug war by kevin booth and you will see the point of what they hide. hell i bet prozac does more damage than pot!!!!

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads. :lmfao:
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale. ;)
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter. :D

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me. :taun:

[99hatch]

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads. :lmfao:
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale. ;)
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter. :D

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me. :taun:

I work for a large company that does drug testing. Guess what. Still smoke every day. Companies drug test on the start, but once your in they usually dont repeat test you unless you are working some low end hourly job. Quit for a month and you can get a job wherever and resume smoking. You can say what you want, but Legal Drugs are in the top 5 for most deaths every year. Even asprin kills some 70000 a year world wide. Pot has never killed anyone directly. Pharmaceutical drugs actually kill more people every year than heroin, meth, and coke combined. Think about that for a minute. Then think about the fact that all 3 were invented by the pharmacutical companies.

[David88vert]

I work for a large company that does drug testing. Guess what. Still smoke every day. Companies drug test on the start, but once your in they usually dont repeat test you unless you are working some low end hourly job. Quit for a month and you can get a job wherever and resume smoking. You can say what you want, but Legal Drugs are in the top 5 for most deaths every year. Even asprin kills some 70000 a year world wide. Pot has never killed anyone directly. Pharmaceutical drugs actually kill more people every year than heroin, meth, and coke combined. Think about that for a minute. Then think about the fact that all 3 were invented by the pharmacutical companies.

You said it right there.

Companies have to spend money to test for drugs. Why do you think they do that? Perhaps they don't want to employ potheads. Pre-employment drug testing is considered an intelligence test.

As for resuming after a month, have you heard of post-incident testing? Think about that for the entire time that you are employed.

[preferredduck]

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads. :lmfao:
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale. ;)
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter. :D

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me. :taun:

no use in argueing with a wall. trust me when i say after the use of harder drugs years after pot that i noticed a big difference in my friends. also do some research into what real (not fda) scientists have to say about pot it's actually healthier than you think. this is also straight from my own Dr's mouth also and he is an MD.

98 hatch is also right that more people die from pharma than anything. hell the number one killer is tylenol, go figure. he is also correct that nobody has died from pot, except the cop and his wife a few years ago who tried it anf thought they were dying, called 911 and everything.

[David88vert]

no use in argueing with a wall. trust me when i say after the use of harder drugs years after pot that i noticed a big difference in my friends. also do some research into what real (not fda) scientists have to say about pot it's actually healthier than you think. this is also straight from my own Dr's mouth also and he is an MD.

98 hatch is also right that more people die from pharma than anything. hell the number one killer is tylenol, go figure. he is also correct that nobody has died from pot, except the cop and his wife a few years ago who tried it anf thought they were dying, called 911 and everything.


I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

[99hatch]

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

This is false. Only 1 out of every 104 users of marijuana go on to use Cocaine. and less that 1 out of 104 use heroin or meth. I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. Your gateway drug "theory" is false and its the same propaganda the government has been pushing out. Just like the whole "this is your brain on drugs." The government has been saying since the 70's and 80's that pot kills brain cells. Well now they have discovered that it actually helps produce brain cells. So if it is helping you produce braincells, then smoking it will give you good judgment.

Im not saying there are not pot heads out there that smoke all day and play xbox and live in their moms basement. There are lots of em. But the fact is, these people would be sorry anyway with or without the pot. I know a guy like this. He was always sorry with pot, quit smoking, and still sorry. Wont work or get a job etc. But you would be surprised at how many people in "upper society jobs" smoke pot. Lots of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. Are they practicing good judgement? Or do they simply know more facts about pot that you dont know.

I know you want to group Marijuana in that same group with coke, meth etc. I personally am against those hard drugs as well. But pot should not be grouped into that category. It has been legal longer in this country that alcohol. But legalizing weed would make those harder drugs go way down. Because even that 1 out of 104 people that goes on to coke, he wouldnt do it if he wasnt at the dealers house and the dealer says "want to try this?" No he would buy it from a gas station like cigs and beer. More underage students try drugs way before alcohol, because it is easier to get because the dealer doesnt card you.

[David88vert]

This is false. Only 1 out of every 104 users of marijuana go on to use Cocaine. and less that 1 out of 104 use heroin or meth. I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. Your gateway drug "theory" is false and its the same propaganda the government has been pushing out. Just like the whole "this is your brain on drugs." The government has been saying since the 70's and 80's that pot kills brain cells. Well now they have discovered that it actually helps produce brain cells. So if it is helping you produce braincells, then smoking it will give you good judgment.

Im not saying there are not pot heads out there that smoke all day and play xbox and live in their moms basement. There are lots of em. But the fact is, these people would be sorry anyway with or without the pot. I know a guy like this. He was always sorry with pot, quit smoking, and still sorry. Wont work or get a job etc. But you would be surprised at how many people in "upper society jobs" smoke pot. Lots of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. Are they practicing good judgement? Or do they simply know more facts about pot that you dont know.

I know you want to group Marijuana in that same group with coke, meth etc. I personally am against those hard drugs as well. But pot should not be grouped into that category. It has been legal longer in this country that alcohol. But legalizing weed would make those harder drugs go way down. Because even that 1 out of 104 people that goes on to coke, he wouldnt do it if he wasnt at the dealers house and the dealer says "want to try this?" No he would buy it from a gas station like cigs and beer. More underage students try drugs way before alcohol, because it is easier to get because the dealer doesnt card you.

Please provide evidence to back up your statements from a recognized authority - not a biased agency on an agenda to legalize it.

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

If you think that smoking pot will improve your judgment - you've just proven that you don't possess a rational thought process. It is just as inhibiting as alcohol.

I agree that a lot of potheads would still not be productive if they took no drugs at all.
I also agree that it should be treated more like alcohol, and less like harder drugs. But the fact is that our opinions do not change the fact that it is illegal. Using it cannot mean that you are showing good judgment. That is an undeniable fact.

[ISAtlanta300]

[QUOTE=99hatch;38854970] I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. [QUOTE]

Like they say in the movie 'half baked', you have smoked yourself retarded. So you're saying that 1 out of 104 people who drink do cocaine? Even my mom and sister who like to have a glass of wine with dinner? Even my brother and cousin who like to have a cold beer after a hard day of work? Even my grandma who likes a shot of brandy when making rumcakes?

Dude, please lay off the pipe..... killing braincells.. here's the evidence....... LOL

[alpine_aw11]

I just wish weed wouldn't attract the morons who have PERSONALITY DISORDERS that have caused it to be so hated.

[preferredduck]

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

there is a section of this in the american drug war by kevin booth. basically all the commercials and education the youth gets tells them pot is just as bad as lets say meth, so after trying pot and seeing it's not bad they try meth and get hooked. that video has a very valid point. i used to smoke years ago but never tried meth, heroin, i did try i few other things but never became a junky and knew when enough was enough but when you put pot and meth in the same learning session for young people it's misleading and they try it. i know people who have smoked and never tried another drug period so it's not really a gateway drug it's all in the marketing. watch the video i referenced it will blow your mind, seriously it did mine and made alot of sense.

[preferredduck]

Please provide evidence to back up your statements from a recognized authority - not a biased agency on an agenda to legalize it.

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

If you think that smoking pot will improve your judgment - you've just proven that you don't possess a rational thought process. It is just as inhibiting as alcohol.

I agree that a lot of potheads would still not be productive if they took no drugs at all.
I also agree that it should be treated more like alcohol, and less like harder drugs. But the fact is that our opinions do not change the fact that it is illegal. Using it cannot mean that you are showing good judgment. That is an undeniable fact.

he said it pretty good about how the gateway works. i saw this first hand. show up at a buddies to get some really good stuff and he has some good coke, ex, and meth, wanna try it it's free etc etc, and the dealer doesn't card is in the video i referred to. usually when someone sells they sell many things so it is easy to get people to try new things and as my previous post stated if it's in the same category it must be the same if that's what the gov't says, they wouldn't lie would they.:ninja:

[David88vert]

there is a section of this in the american drug war by kevin booth. basically all the commercials and education the youth gets tells them pot is just as bad as lets say meth, so after trying pot and seeing it's not bad they try meth and get hooked. that video has a very valid point. i used to smoke years ago but never tried meth, heroin, i did try i few other things but never became a junky and knew when enough was enough but when you put pot and meth in the same learning session for young people it's misleading and they try it. i know people who have smoked and never tried another drug period so it's not really a gateway drug it's all in the marketing. watch the video i referenced it will blow your mind, seriously it did mine and made alot of sense.

You are referring to Alex Jones buddy? The same guy who claimes that the CIA pushed crack to the LA gangs? Didn't he make a mention at one point that the govenment was trying to kill off black people? That's a reliable source? :screwy:

[preferredduck]

You are referring to Alex Jones buddy? The same guy who claimes that the CIA pushed crack to the LA gangs? Didn't he make a mention at one point that the govenment was trying to kill off black people? That's a reliable source? :screwy:

no kevin booth never said the gov't was trying to kill black people, there is a video of a LA narcotics detective talking to the director of the CIA and basically punked him out because the CIA was trying to recruit him while "wal mart" ricky williams was selling crack. his supplier was involed with the iran contra and as he says i dont have a boat, plane etc, so i cant go get it out of the country it's brought to me. he was also warned when raids were about to happen, and that only comes from someone on the inside. also look at the numbers on how much opium came from afghan before were occupied it to present day levels. it went from like 2% to 95% since the US military has been there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

mike ruppert and john deutch video, he is very specific on alot of issues and it the video crack is still alive and well in LA even though the gov'ts war on crack is over, it's now the war on meth from mexico!!

[David88vert]

no kevin booth never said the gov't was trying to kill black people, there is a video of a LA narcotics detective talking to the director of the CIA and basically punked him out because the CIA was trying to recruit him while "wal mart" ricky williams was selling crack. his supplier was involed with the iran contra and as he says i dont have a boat, plane etc, so i cant go get it out of the country it's brought to me. he was also warned when raids were about to happen, and that only comes from someone on the inside. also look at the numbers on how much opium came from afghan before were occupied it to present day levels. it went from like 2% to 95% since the US military has been there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

mike ruppert and john deutch video, he is very specific on alot of issues and it the video crack is still alive and well in LA even though the gov'ts war on crack is over, it's now the war on meth from mexico!!

Kevin Booth is only lauded by those who are interested in promoting marijuana - like High Times. He does not claim to be a journalist either, and admits his bias. No problem there. People can have their opinions, but don't think that his opinions can be construed as fact. He has no "evidence", just interviews with people of dubious character. You're going to trust what Rick Ross says, and take that as gospel? Tommy Chong? The people who distorted their senses to the extreme are who you rely on their memories?:lmfao:

Why do you think that he is not taken seriously? Look and his website and you can see. This is a guy that has publically claimed that Gary Webb was assassinated by the government, even when the Sacramento County coronor determined that it was suicide, and his ex-wife said that Webb had been depressed for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. Webb also left suicide notes to his ex-wife, his two sons and his daughter. Yet, somehow, Kevin Booth, a man who claims that his schizophrenic brother was a major influence on his life, says he knows better, even though he had never met Webb. Maybe getting high opened up his subconcious to see what no one else could see?:rolleyes:

[preferredduck]

Kevin Booth is only lauded by those who are interested in promoting marijuana - like High Times. He does not claim to be a journalist either, and admits his bias. No problem there. People can have their opinions, but don't think that his opinions can be construed as fact. He has no "evidence", just interviews with people of dubious character. You're going to trust what Rick Ross says, and take that as gospel? Tommy Chong? The people who distorted their senses to the extreme are who you rely on their memories?:lmfao:

Why do you think that he is not taken seriously? Look and his website and you can see. This is a guy that has publically claimed that Gary Webb was assassinated by the government, even when the Sacramento County coronor determined that it was suicide, and his ex-wife said that Webb had been depressed for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. Webb also left suicide notes to his ex-wife, his two sons and his daughter. Yet, somehow, Kevin Booth, a man who claims that his schizophrenic brother was a major influence on his life, says he knows better, even though he had never met Webb. Maybe getting high opened up his subconcious to see what no one else could see?:rolleyes:

ohh i don't preach what they say as gospel. there are some valid points to certain aspects of the video but trust me not all. it's like alex jones, only read into it so much and stop and if your smart and check the mainstream media you can figure it out. my father is retired military and can tell you some things of the contra and it's not good. he has lost alot of trust in our gov't and he served in the military for 22 years. honestly i don't smoke anymore except when my pinched nerve in my neck acts up and i throw up everything, then i'll sometimes smoke a little and 20 mins later i can hold down my meds and liquids and not become dehydrated. and my Dr's wanted to keep giving me meds with tylenol for pain daily and after 4 years of pleading to change it i showed signs of liver problems and a month after switching meds they were gone. i don't trust everything out there anymore and do my own research to what suits me. i don't believe everything on the news and i don't trust some aspects of our gov't since it is controlled by the federal reserve(a private bank) so take it for what it's worth there. i have necer been to his website and his brother was cracked out for sure.

also on suicides i don't know much about that guy, but dr hunter s thompson who was researching the WTC events called his wife and said he had a meeting with someone with vital info and winds up dead the next day(suicide) and i highly doubt he of all people would. also look round the time of the economy going bad there were alot of people at banks and corps, very high up the ladder too who mysteriously commited suicide. it seemed funny at the time and i wasn't there so i don't know.

[David88vert]

So, it's ok to smoke as long as it doesn't kill you, right? Psychotic episodes are ok, right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6201LW20100301?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c 0.101127:b31203596:z0

[bu villain]

So, it's ok to smoke as long as it doesn't kill you, right? Psychotic episodes are ok, right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6201LW20100301?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c 0.101127:b31203596:z0

ABSOLUTELY! The government shouldn't dictate what we do to our own bodies, plain and simple. If I want to eat a burger full of transfat, I should be able to. If a person wants to poison themselves with drugs, that should be their right. If they cause harm to someone else, that's when the government should get involved, not preemptively.

[BanginJimmy]

If a person wants to poison themselves with drugs, that should be their right. If they cause harm to someone else, that's when the government should get involved, not preemptively.

This particular quote just proves how stupid some people are. Heroin should be perfectly legal. They should only bother the hypes after thy kill someone to get their next fix. The dealers shouldnt be bothered as they had nothing to do with the crime.

[preferredduck]

So, it's ok to smoke as long as it doesn't kill you, right? Psychotic episodes are ok, right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6201LW20100301?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c 0.101127:b31203596:z0

actually none of the episodes on here will cause a pot head to go kill someone, and 14% of who, what other things did they do, did he check their parents, relatives, know family history. paranoia was listed and cocaine causes that big time. it may have an affect on some people's chemicals in their heads but so do anti-depressants. those mess you up so bad you have to ween off of them for like 6 mos and people can drop opiate meds without dying vs anti depressants. watch your pharma commercial and side effects for lunesta include poeple sleepdriving and killing someone and hallucinations but they pump that shit out in droves. i remember when that happened actually, a man actually got in his car while sleeping and drove and ran someone over, but it's still legal. so does that count as psychotic or just crazy? i know tons of people who lose their minds while drinking and will fight a lamp, but it's legal and you can drive to a bar and get hammered. so really there are two sides to the coin here and from personal experience sometimes it helps with health issues, alcohol does not help me but herb does. i also think it's funny that several Dr's want to put me on anti depressants for pain, i tell them no thanks i have seen the wrath of that first hand. everything is bad really, i just think herb should not be treated like crack or heroin.

[preferredduck]

ABSOLUTELY! The government shouldn't dictate what we do to our own bodies, plain and simple. If I want to eat a burger full of transfat, I should be able to. If a person wants to poison themselves with drugs, that should be their right. If they cause harm to someone else, that's when the government should get involved, not preemptively.

some of your statement i can agree with, but there are certain things we all know have bad outcomes and cause crime. this is like religion to me, separate church and state and don't force things down people's throat but honestly certain drugs lead to a high crime rate, but if the gov't wants to do some good more free rehab should be avail, or if someone is a junkie on something make it like overseas where they can come get clean needles and clean stuff from the gov't and ween them off, that would keep crime down because people would be able to go there instead of robbing grandma, good comment jimmy.

[David88vert]

actually none of the episodes on here will cause a pot head to go kill someone, and 14% of who, what other things did they do, did he check their parents, relatives, know family history. paranoia was listed and cocaine causes that big time. it may have an affect on some people's chemicals in their heads but so do anti-depressants. those mess you up so bad you have to ween off of them for like 6 mos and people can drop opiate meds without dying vs anti depressants. watch your pharma commercial and side effects for lunesta include poeple sleepdriving and killing someone and hallucinations but they pump that shit out in droves. i remember when that happened actually, a man actually got in his car while sleeping and drove and ran someone over, but it's still legal. so does that count as psychotic or just crazy? i know tons of people who lose their minds while drinking and will fight a lamp, but it's legal and you can drive to a bar and get hammered. so really there are two sides to the coin here and from personal experience sometimes it helps with health issues, alcohol does not help me but herb does. i also think it's funny that several Dr's want to put me on anti depressants for pain, i tell them no thanks i have seen the wrath of that first hand. everything is bad really, i just think herb should not be treated like crack or heroin.

You have no idea what the 21 year study found. Either you didn't read it, or you are suffering from psychosis yourself.
This study was not about cocaine, or prescription drugs. It was a study on how marijuana increases the risk of psychosis - massively.

[99hatch]

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

Evidently you dont choose your friends too well, if they are all moving on to harder drugs.

I personally dont like any harder drugs, but have tried them in college. It definitely not for me. But the Harder drugs like Cocaine, are more prevalent in the bar/party scene. Im not saying that everyone that drinks does it, im just trying to make a point.

[David88vert]

Evidently you dont choose your friends too well, if they are all moving on to harder drugs.

I personally dont like any harder drugs, but have tried them in college. It definitely not for me. But the Harder drugs like Cocaine, are more prevalent in the bar/party scene. Im not saying that everyone that drinks does it, im just trying to make a point.


Evidently you dont read too well - and that point is noted. ;)

[bu villain]

This particular quote just proves how stupid some people are. Heroin should be perfectly legal. They should only bother the hypes after thy kill someone to get their next fix. The dealers shouldnt be bothered as they had nothing to do with the crime.

I'm sorry you feel it necessary to call me stupid because I believe in taking personal responsibility. Maybe you do, but I don't need the government being my mommy and telling me what I can eat, drink, or smoke.

Perhaps you can tell me where you think we should draw the line. Poverty causes more crime than any drug, perhaps we should make being poor illegal as well. How do you determine what is "too dangerous" and what is not?

[preferredduck]

You have no idea what the 21 year study found. Either you didn't read it, or you are suffering from psychosis yourself.
This study was not about cocaine, or prescription drugs. It was a study on how marijuana increases the risk of psychosis - massively.

no i read the article but there are some unanswered questions on there for sure. i also said it's a 2 sided coin because the same could be said for anti depressants. i mentioned those to show that it was a 2 sided coin on the debate and i see both sides for sure, no argument there.:goodjob:

[BanginJimmy]

Looking through my reps cause I'm bored out of my mind and came across this thread. I find it quite funny how some people's political leanings move depending on the issue.

Blender is an avid supporter of the govt running our healthcare system, yet in this thread they go on to say how bad the govt is at running anything and that the govt is rarely right, EVEN IN THEIR MEDICAL TESTING.

[BanginJimmy]

I'm sorry you feel it necessary to call me stupid because I believe in taking personal responsibility. Maybe you do, but I don't need the government being my mommy and telling me what I can eat, drink, or smoke.

Perhaps you can tell me where you think we should draw the line. Poverty causes more crime than any drug, perhaps we should make being poor illegal as well. How do you determine what is "too dangerous" and what is not?

In this country, poverty is more a result of personal choices than it is of anything else. I personally think the "War on Poverty" is nothing more than a vote buying program that only leads to more poverty.

Back on topic though, have you paid any attention to all of the violence along the US-Mexican border? I draw the line right there. There is no possible medical use for heroin and there never will be. The same is true of meth, cocaine, crack and any other drug. Each and every one of those drugs leads to rampant crime and more poverty.

[bu villain]

In this country, poverty is more a result of personal choices than it is of anything else. I personally think the "War on Poverty" is nothing more than a vote buying program that only leads to more poverty.

Back on topic though, have you paid any attention to all of the violence along the US-Mexican border? I draw the line right there. There is no possible medical use for heroin and there never will be. The same is true of meth, cocaine, crack and any other drug. Each and every one of those drugs leads to rampant crime and more poverty.

I agree much poverty is a result of personal choices (though certainly not all poverty). I also feel using drugs are a personal choice as well.

Most of the violence you see on the US/Mexico border would not exist if drugs were legal. You don't see liquor companies engaged in street wars do you?

I also want to make it clear that I do think complete legalization of all drugs would have significant consequences, but I'm not convinced they would be worse than what already occurs right now on a daily basis. I simply don't subscribe to the idea that if heroin were made legal tomorrow, everyone would go out and start taking heroin.

It's been said many times before but marijuana is a far cry from meth and crack.

[Total_Blender]

Blender is an avid supporter of the govt running our healthcare system, yet in this thread they go on to say how bad the govt is at running anything and that the govt is rarely right, EVEN IN THEIR MEDICAL TESTING.

So we should all just swallow party lines hook line and sinker? Lol that seems like a typical repuke response. One could say the same thing about repukes/teabaggers... they say they are against gov't intruding into peoples personal lives but in practice they are all for it when it comes to issues like gay marriage, MJ/MMJ, abortion, etc. To them Lassiez Faire only exists for rich conservative Christian people, and big business.

[BanginJimmy]

So we should all just swallow party lines hook line and sinker?

How is your view that govt should control all health care and your opinion that govt cannot run anything well a party line anything? Those are your opinions.




they say they are against gov't intruding into peoples personal lives but in practice they are all for it when it comes to issues like gay marriage, MJ/MMJ, abortion, etc. To them Lassiez Faire only exists for rich conservative Christian people, and big business.

You mention a couple of the issues that will assure I will never become a republican. I tend to slide a little too far to the center on many social issues. You are right about gay marriage, it is a purely religious sentiment that I have no use for. Show me some proof that the children of gay/lesbian couples are more susceptible to emotional issues related to sexual identity and I might listen, maybe even agree with an ban on g/l couples adopting children, until then shut the fuck up about it. If the carpet munchers and the fudge packers want to get married, I dont see how it can possibly affect anyone else.

MJ I dont agree with you as I think it will lead to more problems. I can definitely see it mass marketed and laced with addictive substances, just like cigs are now. I saw an interview yesterday, but I cant remember who it was. He said he would be for an experimental legalization in a couple of states over a several year period and track useage and crimes committed in relation with it. That will allow everyone, on both sides, to re-evaluate their stance.

I dont agree with abortion as birth control. I dont want to hear the lines about a woman's 'right to choose'., 'woman's reproductive health decisions'. She already made her choice, now she should suffer the consequences of those choices. The question of abortion has nothing to do with health in any way, shape, or form either. Obviously I do agree with the use of abortion in cases of rape, incest, or the health of the mother. I would also concede the use of abortion for girls under the age of 16 but only with their parent's consent.

[Total_Blender]

Where are you getting that I said specifically that the gov't can't run anything well? I just said that they are doing a piss poor job at the "war on drugs," mainly because they are going after small potatoes like MJ and MMJ instead of harder drugs like coke, meth, and heroin.

As far as a "woman's right to choose," you have to realize that no form of birth coltrol is 100% effective. The pill and IUD's are only 98.9% or whatever, condoms can break, etc. Also some people choose not use use b/c for religious reasons and use the rhythm method. Also, pregnancy does involve health risks to some people, and it also requires one to change their lifestyle and follow a strict regimen of pre-natal care, which a woman may not be ready for physically, mentally, or financially. Unwanted pregnancies are just a fact of life and its a woman's right to choose if she wants to commit to a pregnancy

I agree with you that it would be best to try legal MJ is a few states to analyze it and I think thats the way it will happen. California is headed in that direction now, the rest of the West Coast will probably follow and I don't think Obama will be as hard on them as W was. MJ is pretty much legal all over Canada now and the sky hasn't caved there that I'm aware of. The rest of the states will see that MJ is not really as big of a deal as its cracked up to be, some will adopt it but probably not all. And thats cool because we need crappy states like Utah to put the FEMA camps in.

[stillaneon]

-gateway effect
-kills brain cells
-causes cancer
-the drug war
-it makes you stupid
-it causes violence
:gay:

Thats right folks,this documentary shows you why absolutely ANY argument on why pot should be illegal or stay illegal is pointless and stupid, dont believe me? Watch it!

No one can even come in here bashing, cause it doesn't matter, i KNOW whats right, if you're to ignorant to watch this movie, or even the trailer, than you mean nothing to me, and nothing you say matters.

The is not a stoner movie it is a documentary, with politicians, celebrities, government officials, it has FACTS, archival footage, it shows studies and medical journals all in favor of legalization and WHY!!

>>>>>>The Union: The Business Behind Getting High<<<<<
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/

BC's illegal marijuana trade industry has evolved into a business giant, dubbed by some involved as 'The Union', Commanding upwards of $7 billion Canadian annually. With up to 85% of 'BC Bud' being exported to the United States, the trade has become an international issue. Follow filmmaker Adam Scorgie as he demystifies the underground market and brings to light how an industry can function while remaining illegal. Through growers, police officers, criminologists, economists, doctors, politicians and pop culture icons, Scorgie examines the cause and effect nature of the business - an industry that may be profiting more by being illegal.

The basic point of this documentary is to present the facts about Marijuana. It focuses less on the BC market and more on the reasons why marijuana should be viewed in the same light as alcohol and tobacco. It argues for the legalization of marijuana. The argument is compelling and factual with many legititamate sources. UNLIKE THE IGNORANT STUFF Y'ALL SPEW ON HERE
PLEASE WATCH THE TRAILER,(it opens in your browser) before you post something ignorant.
WMV...
http://www.theunionmovie.com/wmv_large.html
Quicktime....
http://www.theunionmovie.com/quicktime_large.html

WEBSITE
http://www.theunionmovie.com/TheUnionWeb.html

If you want to watch it without downloading, or buying...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#

Now, TRY ME?!?!?! haha, ya'll got nothing!

It can't be taxed and you cannot test for recent uses. Two main reasons right there...

[Total_Blender]

Using the logic most apply when they say MJ can't be taxed, food can't be taxed either... because anyone with 1/2 acre arable land can produce their own and sell it under the table tax free. But 99.9999999% of people who eat food just go to the grocery store and get a buggy full of processed crap.

When was the last time you heard of anyone making their own beer or liquor? Sure, people still do it (and making one's own booze is perfectly legal as long as its not sold) but bootlegging doesn't happen in sufficient numbers or quantities that the missing tax revenue is much for the authorities to worry about. For the work involved in making a batch of hooch its just cheaper and less work to go to the corner store and buy some.

You think some random stoner is gonna be able to grow decent smoke? It takes a lot of skill like telling male and female plants apart at an early stage, harvesting the product at the right time, and drying and curing it properly. Most people who smoke don't even own the land to grow it on even if they knew how to do it.

[stillaneon]

Using the logic most apply when they say MJ can't be taxed, food can't be taxed either... because anyone with 1/2 acre arable land can produce their own and sell it under the table tax free. But 99.9999999% of people who eat food just go to the grocery store and get a buggy full of processed crap.

When was the last time you heard of anyone making their own beer or liquor? Sure, people still do it (and making one's own booze is perfectly legal as long as its not sold) but bootlegging doesn't happen in sufficient numbers or quantities that the missing tax revenue is much for the authorities to worry about. For the work involved in making a batch of hooch its just cheaper and less work to go to the corner store and buy some.

You think some random stoner is gonna be able to grow decent smoke? It takes a lot of skill like telling male and female plants apart at an early stage, harvesting the product at the right time, and drying and curing it properly. Most people who smoke don't even own the land to grow it on even if they knew how to do it.

It's obviously a big enough threat to keep it illegal...

[BanginJimmy]

Where are you getting that I said specifically that the gov't can't run anything well?

Post #53


Because we all know that the government is always right. :rolleyes:


You guys kill me... anything about raising taxes 1% is "government tyranny" and "taking our rights," but a substance that probably 80% of Americans will try in their lifetimes and 10% use on a regular basis being illegal with felony consequences is perfectly OK.

Missed this one. 80% of people in this country have stolen something or speed, should those things be legal also?


I just said that they are doing a piss poor job at the "war on drugs," mainly because they are going after small potatoes like MJ and MMJ instead of harder drugs like coke, meth, and heroin.

Actually they go after them all the same, as they should.


As far as a "woman's right to choose," you have to realize that no form of birth coltrol is 100% effective. The pill and IUD's are only 98.9% or whatever, condoms can break, etc. Also some people choose not use use b/c for religious reasons and use the rhythm method.

of course no form of birth control is 100%, that is one of the choices we make when we decide to have sex. There are only 2 ways to guarantee there will be no pregnancy, abstinence and sterilization of 1 or both partners. People that try using the rhythm, pulling out, or no birth control at all, for whatever reason they like to use, are not trying to NOT get pregnant, they are hoping they dont.




Also, pregnancy does involve health risks to some people,

And I have mentioned that abortion is perfectly fine in my mind if the life or even health, aside from normal health concerns associated with pregnancy, are in doubt.


and it also requires one to change their lifestyle and follow a strict regimen of pre-natal care, which a woman may not be ready for physically, mentally, or financially.

I dont care about their lifestyle.

Physically has already been covered under health issues.

Mentally is a slippery slope. I know quite a few women that had mental issues associated with all of the hormones of pregnancy. All were perfectly fine after the baby was born though. I also know one lady who had to be hospitalized after birth because of severe postpartum depression after she showed no signs of distress during the pregnancy. Financially is easy. If you cannot afford the baby put it up for adoption. There is no shortage of couples wanting to adopt newborns. Pass a law, or add to the existing law, that the insurance company of adoptive parents pay for the care of the birth mother. The costs would be the same as if the insured was pregnant anyways.



Unwanted pregnancies are just a fact of life and its a woman's right to choose if she wants to commit to a pregnancy

I agree that unwanted pregnancies are a way of life, 1 of my friends first kid was an unwanted pregnancy, but they did choose when they decided to have sex.

[bodhi]

marijuana is an expectorant


some doctor (tashkin...? taishino...?) at UCLA Pulmonary something or other published a study which found that takin a hit off a joint will STOP a full-blown asthma attack....

marijuana was used to treat asthma, and a whole host of other breathing disorders all over the world for thousands of years because it causes airways and blood vessels to dilate....
in fact the UCLA study said that cigarette smokers should smoke weed if they cannot quit smoking cigs because it'll somewhat mitigate the harmful affects of poisonous, tobacco smoke, which CONSTRICTS airways

so do you see how something that DILATES your airway is maybe not the same thing as something that CONSTRICTS? my $5 pack a day is killing my wallet, but i will gladly pay $10 for a pack of weed packed joints

you stupid cockfuckers are spitting lies about the greatest medicine on Earth because the government filled your brains with pure liquid shit


for those that have done their research can ignore that last sentence

[BanginJimmy]

an article for all you medical marijuana proponents.

Too long to copy and paste.

Cliffs notes:

Man got fired from his great job at wally world for smoking out. Court case has already set precedent that MMJ use does not prevent a company from firing an employee for use.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/michgan-man-fired-walmart-medical-marijuana/story?id=10122193

[The Ninja]

^ I'm not too surprised. The company hired you based on terms you signed and approved of. If in the terms it states use of any illegal drugs (federal or state illegal) it would be grounds for termination. Even if said drugs aren't illegal if the company implicitly states that you cannot use marijuana and you do (whether you have a MMJ license or not), you can be terminated.

[BanginJimmy]

I see companies handling this just like they do with alcohol. They dont make an issue of it unless you come up for a drug test, have a workers comp claim, or they have reasonable suspicion you are under the influence. The problem with smoking is that you can be stone sober, but the joint you smoked yesterday is still in your system.

[Total_Blender]

Post #53
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This is what I said in post 53:
"Because we all know that the government is always right :rolleyes:. "

I'm not surprised you'd take my statements out of context. You wrongly construed that post to mean I was saying that the government "couldn't do anything right". The government gets a lot of stuff right, they also get a lot of stuff wrong. I was commenting on how you so-called "libertarians" all say Gov't should have a limited role and not interfere with people's private decisions, but when the Gov't DOES interfere with people's decisions you all stand up and cheer.

The IA peanut gallery is all skeptical of nearly everything the Gov't does lately, but then when you all argue against MJ/MMJ you say "well the Gov't says its bad, so it must be bad" which is a pretty weak argument for a "libertarian" to make. :screwy:

[BanginJimmy]

This is what I said in post 53:
"Because we all know that the government is always right :rolleyes:. "

[QUOTE=Total_Blender;39035813]I'm not surprised you'd take my statements out of context. You wrongly construed that post to mean I was saying that the government "couldn't do anything right". The government gets a lot of stuff right, they also get a lot of stuff wrong.

And you are taking me out of context also. I pointed that out in the regards to the fact that you want the govt to have complete and total control over your health care.



I was commenting on how you so-called "libertarians" all say Gov't should have a limited role and not interfere with people's private decisions, but when the Gov't DOES interfere with people's decisions you all stand up and cheer.

Name a single time I have done this. You can simply paste the quote to it.

Can you point out where I said I was a libertarian also.



The IA peanut gallery is all skeptical of nearly everything the Gov't does lately, but then when you all argue against MJ/MMJ you say "well the Gov't says its bad, so it must be bad" which is a pretty weak argument for a "libertarian" to make. :screwy:

First, people are skeptical of govt because our govt is full of crooks that write laws to make sure they are above the law. Second, several people have posted articles from sources other than the govt. The only sources for the use of MMJ are from people that stand to profit from it.