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swollix
01-19-2010, 06:27 PM
I might be one of the few these days who thinks stretched tires look stupid so post pics of your anti-stretch in this thread. Try to keep it with only IA member pics... I'll start:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2708/4289302446_ff78e7a762_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4289302540_943cc7eb49_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4289302568_4306ac8f35_o.jpg
Me86Rob
01-19-2010, 06:29 PM
looks good. When I see some meat like that, I know the car is drivin how its supposed to be. And when I see stretched tires, I think of hard parkers. So my concept of the stupidity of streched tires is based on what its on.
canadianrcis
01-19-2010, 06:33 PM
well then again if your going for fitment you need stretch. so obviously you dont want fitment.
silverDA
01-19-2010, 06:34 PM
you made 2 threads.
Mantooth
01-19-2010, 06:36 PM
I would have put some 215s on there, but hey, whatever works.;)
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i164/wesb18dc2/carpics674sss.jpg
I will be putting 285s on the E55.
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs224.snc1/7123_265090910435_513450435_8807360_3248731_n.jpg
swollix
01-19-2010, 06:38 PM
well then again if your going for fitment you need stretch. so obviously you dont want fitment.
Fitment minus stretch. flush=flush. ;)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/3960529927_ff12df2861_o.jpg
I would have put some 215s on there, but hey, whatever works.;)
Yeah I would get plenty of traction with 215's but I decided to go 100mm wider. Thanks for posting a pic.
Nerdsrock22
01-19-2010, 06:40 PM
^If that's not fitment, then I have no idea what anyone is talking about.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4234821616_daa8dcf1f9_b.jpg
205 on a 6". It ain't much, but it sure ain't stretch.
Prime.
01-19-2010, 06:41 PM
Fitment minus stretch. flush=flush. ;)
naw, needs to be about 2 inches lower for "fitment" but I still think it looks great. Keep it up. :goodjob:
Mantooth
01-19-2010, 06:42 PM
^If that's not fitment, then I have no idea what anyone is talking about."Fitment"= Not protecting the rim of the wheels. Fitment= Above.:goodjob:
UpSideDownDesi
01-19-2010, 06:45 PM
i put 225's on 17x8" wide wheels...hella stretch lol
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/upsidedowndesi/SM%20Midnight%20Cruise/_DGP5870.jpg
http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu359/BeansIS/zm5.jpg
Big wheels doesn't mean narrower tire:
19x8.5, 35*offet with 235/35...still sits nice, tire tucked in, functions as i want it to.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/upsidedowndesi/IMG_4743.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/upsidedowndesi/100_1711-2.jpg
Mantooth
01-19-2010, 06:53 PM
i put 225's on 17x8" wide wheels...hella stretch lol
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/upsidedowndesi/SM%20Midnight%20Cruise/_DGP5870.jpg
http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu359/BeansIS/zm5.jpg
Big wheels doesn't mean narrower tire:
19x8.5, 35*offet with 235/35...still sits nice, tire tucked in, functions as i want it to.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/upsidedowndesi/IMG_4743.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/upsidedowndesi/100_1711-2.jpgExactly. I had 255s on my 18x8.5s on my Sti with Tein Flex coilovers.
FoolsDrifFWD
01-19-2010, 07:02 PM
Front 235-50-16
Rear 245-50-16
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb284/theundersteerking/drift%20pc/3183620920_9a79096cdb_b.jpg?t=1263945743
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb284/theundersteerking/drift%20pc/3183640320_044eaf20f9_b.jpg?t=1263945756
UpSideDownDesi
01-19-2010, 07:03 PM
My next will be about 18x9.5 with either 255's or 265's (after that i am gonna need -3+ to -4 camber for setup to fit and not hit struts...don't want). Those sizes listed above will sit perfectly, tuck in without much camber.
It's not too hard to slap on a wide wheel, put narrow ass tires, throw massive negative chamber and make it fit (give that's the fad rite now). Now try that with meaty tire, same width tire, same drop, and have it function properly.
Elbow
01-19-2010, 07:04 PM
I'll post my track wheels in a few, bad ass thread.
Dirty Octopus™
01-19-2010, 07:06 PM
looks great! on YOUR car. not so much on a car going for absolute flush fitment. Big tires are GREAT when this is the look you're going for.
Small tires are great when you're going for a stanced/fitted look. I appreciate both.
Stop the hate.
Sol-Badguy
01-19-2010, 07:07 PM
Best thread evar.
205/50/15. :goodjob:
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs119.snc3/16650_666023062507_22610991_37634246_8145192_n.jpg
Same wheels and tires:
Nerdsrock22
01-19-2010, 07:11 PM
looks great! on YOUR car. not so much on a car going for flush fitment. Big tires a great when this is the look you're going for.
Small tires are great when you're going for a stanced/fitted look. I appreciate both.
Stop the hate.
A car can be properly stanced with non-stretched tires.
I don't hate the stretch movement at all, but I just enjoy seeing good fitment with solid stance every now and again.
UpSideDownDesi
01-19-2010, 07:18 PM
Anti-Stretch Stance:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2603/4183194733_606e251d6d_o.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/calirti45/Lances_STI_shoot_-24.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/calirti45/Lances_STI_shoot_-19.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/jitb37/my929/work/100_0438.jpg
98strat
01-19-2010, 07:23 PM
225/40 on 18x7
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z61/vipertimmy/100_0925.jpg
03RCode
01-19-2010, 07:34 PM
Wide rubber?
http://www.v8sho.com/SHO/tubbed.jpg
SNOOPy00
01-19-2010, 07:34 PM
hammity hammmm hamssssss
FUCK
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/30offset/Vanessa/front.jpg
YO
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/30offset/Vanessa/rear2-1.jpg
THREAD
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/30offset/Vanessa/DSC_8653.jpg
Nerdsrock22
01-19-2010, 07:35 PM
^I lol'd a bit.
swollix
01-19-2010, 07:37 PM
Anti-Stretch Stance:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2603/4183194733_606e251d6d_o.jpg
Fuck yes!
SNOOPy00
01-19-2010, 07:38 PM
more stretch less ham....jajaja
more stretch less ham....jajaja
:lmfao:
Elbow
01-19-2010, 07:44 PM
more stretch less ham....jajaja
Ha...no. :blah:
OTG Signs
01-19-2010, 07:50 PM
Old school:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/andrewfrom1985/Orange%20GT/tire.jpg
jhadleyh
01-19-2010, 07:52 PM
Shit is pretty wide
Nerdsrock22
01-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Old school:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/andrewfrom1985/Orange%20GT/tire.jpg
Good grief.
What is that for?
Dirty Octopus™
01-19-2010, 07:55 PM
A car can be properly stanced with non-stretched tires.
I don't hate the stretch movement at all, but I just enjoy seeing good fitment with solid stance every now and again.
this is true. but like i said different vehicle applications require different tire fitment. i'll be DAMNED if i had a Vette or a Stang with stretched tires. WTF? :no:
But my Honda will require the stretched look. I'm a lovuer not a fighter. I love it all but hate haters.
We need to get along :o
Elbow
01-19-2010, 07:56 PM
Shit is pretty wide
You wish lol.
jhadleyh
01-19-2010, 07:57 PM
You wish lol.
why you gotta bust balls? One day maybe
OTG Signs
01-19-2010, 08:03 PM
Good grief.
What is that for?
My last Mustang:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ywyec6.jpg
Elbow
01-19-2010, 08:03 PM
why you gotta bust balls? One day maybe
I believe you will have something as bad ass one day soon! BTW I drove by your work and revved up. :goodjob:
jadakid88
01-19-2010, 08:04 PM
you can clearly see the second has some stretch
Anti-Stretch Stance:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2603/4183194733_606e251d6d_o.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/calirti45/Lances_STI_shoot_-24.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/calirti45/Lances_STI_shoot_-19.jpg
jhadleyh
01-19-2010, 08:06 PM
I believe you will have something as bad ass one day soon! BTW I drove by your work and revved up. :goodjob:
really that car wash caught on fire so we had to close early. Then a hobo tried to fight me so we had to restrain him and wait for the cops to get there.
swollix
01-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Old school:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/andrewfrom1985/Orange%20GT/tire.jpg
I have 315's too.
csmiths
01-19-2010, 08:25 PM
hammity hammmm hamssssss
LMAO x2
swollix
01-19-2010, 08:28 PM
LMAO x2
Shut the Hell up with your stretched tires on your muscle car rims. :no:
jhadleyh
01-19-2010, 08:28 PM
Shut the Hell up with your stretched tires on your muscle car rims. :no:
bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
csmiths
01-19-2010, 08:30 PM
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/whitneyrich_2006/GiantCondom.jpg
csmiths
01-19-2010, 08:30 PM
Shut the Hell up with your stretched tires on your muscle car rims. :no:
stuntin on your face with mine tho.
swollix
01-19-2010, 08:33 PM
stuntin on your face with mine tho.
People are like their cars, You are pale and weak just like your Civic. I am between white and black and powerful like my Vette.
Sol-Badguy
01-19-2010, 08:34 PM
People are like their cars, You are pale and weak just like your Civic. I am between white and black and powerful like my Vette.
Does that mean my face got run over by a truck? :cry:
csmiths
01-19-2010, 08:34 PM
People are like their cars, You are pale and weak just like your Civic. I am between white and black and powerful like my Vette.
and you drive a car to attract males
LENG-EG6
01-19-2010, 09:11 PM
this thread fail
LENG-EG6
01-19-2010, 09:12 PM
swollix..........you stretch shirts so why cant we stretch tires..when you get a shirt that fits then we'll get tires that fit
jhadleyh
01-19-2010, 09:14 PM
swollix..........you stretch shirts so why cant we stretch tires..when you get a shirt that fits then we'll get tires that fit
Shit was fucking funny lol reps
Sol-Badguy
01-19-2010, 09:15 PM
this thread fail
Grammar fails you.
:ninja:
csmiths
01-19-2010, 09:16 PM
swollix..........you stretch shirts so why cant we stretch tires..when you get a shirt that fits then we'll get tires that fit
burned
MissCourtney
01-19-2010, 09:20 PM
Grammar fails you.
:ninja:
Lol be nice. Leng is asian.
Marta Mike
01-19-2010, 09:27 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4057214408_c6c8c7e6bb_b.jpg
Very slight stretch on 8in wheel. But Im purposely stretched for inscreased steering response. I will be going wider tho very soon......:goodjob:
Mantooth
01-19-2010, 09:36 PM
and you drive a car to attract malesWhen did Civics become more bad ass that Vettes? I'm pretty sure any C5 Vette will drop more panties than a foreign econobox.
ueyedgr8tness
01-19-2010, 09:40 PM
^ any 1 can drop panties.But it only matters if you can fuck whats in the panties.
csmiths
01-19-2010, 09:45 PM
When did Civics become more bad ass that Vettes? I'm pretty sure any C5 Vette will drop more panties than a foreign econobox.
Your a retard
^ any 1 can drop panties.But it only matters if you can fuck whats in the panties
you sir are a brilliant man.
stubbyda91
01-19-2010, 10:03 PM
:bigsmilie: lol at people gettin mad at stretch and non stretch, imo they both look good
K20Z1
01-19-2010, 10:30 PM
looks good!. lol i think stretched tires are stupid...
reps!
collins
01-19-2010, 10:32 PM
swollix..........you stretch shirts so why cant we stretch tires..when you get a shirt that fits then we'll get tires that fit
does it matter who buys said shirt? if ALL of you mother fucker buy proper tires, i'll buy this fool a damn tommy bahama!!!
Sorry for crappy cellphone pics.
Front:235/35/19
Rear: 275/35/19
Man i really need some rear diffusers to fill that boring ass in.
Mantooth
01-19-2010, 10:41 PM
Your a retardNo, YOU'RE a retard, retard.
BKgen®
01-19-2010, 11:06 PM
lolol
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs021.snc3/10831_626758170048_60704730_35758596_1118903_n.jpg
csmiths
01-20-2010, 12:00 AM
No, YOU'RE a retard, retard.
Grammer comebacks are pretty weak when you fail to read correctly in the first place. Ra-tard.
Kckouki
01-20-2010, 12:26 AM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p61/kornothekob/S10/008.jpg
275/40
87 Turbo II
01-20-2010, 12:31 AM
I will join the anti-stretch movement. LOL at all the stretch fanboys comming in here like we are directly attacking them. I hate stretched tires, but why do you feel the need to come and defend yourself, we have different tastes. I think stretched tires look like shit, you're not going to change that opinion for me, so why not let us non stretched IAers post up our tires that fit, I mean, you guys have tons of slammed and hella flush threads.
I wish I had flares and wider tires but since my Mazda has 4 by 110 rare ass bolt pattern, I'm stuck with 13 by 6 wheels. So my 205s aren't wide, but sure as hell aren't stretched.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/SPII2.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/SPII1.jpg
Mantooth
01-20-2010, 01:06 AM
Grammer comebacks are pretty weak when you fail to read correctly in the first place. Ra-tard.LOLOLOL, I had to say something about this one. GRAMMAR comebacks are where it's at, bro.
I read what you said, but all I got out of it was "I drive a Civic and it's sooooo much better than your Corvette, blah, blah, blah, I'm fucking cool and you're not." Now, If it was a riced out Corvette, I wouldn't speak up, but do you REALIZE what you said?
Cliffs: His Corvette is > your Civic. Civics are great for what they are, but they are not a sports car, and never will be.:2cents:
yungdz
01-20-2010, 01:08 AM
LOLOLOL, I had to say something about this one. GRAMMAR comebacks are where it's at, bro.
I read what you said, but all I got out of it was "I drive a Civic and it's sooooo much better than your Corvette, blah, blah, blah, I'm fucking cool and you're not." Now, If it was a riced out Corvette, I wouldn't speak up, but do you REALIZE what you said?
Cliffs: His Corvette is > than your Civic. Civics are great for what they are, but they are not a sports car, and never will be.:2cents:
repped for speaking the truth
changaroo
01-20-2010, 01:13 AM
:D
DieselNuts
01-20-2010, 01:16 AM
The only thing I like to stretch is poon. Great thread. Reps.
RL...
01-20-2010, 01:29 AM
LOLOLOL, I had to say something about this one. GRAMMAR comebacks are where it's at, bro.
I read what you said, but all I got out of it was "I drive a Civic and it's sooooo much better than your Corvette, blah, blah, blah, I'm fucking cool and you're not." Now, If it was a riced out Corvette, I wouldn't speak up, but do you REALIZE what you said?
Cliffs: His Corvette is > your Civic. Civics are great for what they are, but they are not a sports car, and never will be.:2cents:
Quote of the god damn decade right here. I also believe proper fitment equates to having the wheel NOT stick out farther than the body and having tires that fit the rim. A slight stretch can help this fitment, but 225's on a 10 inch wheel is taking it too far.
SNOOPy00
01-20-2010, 01:58 AM
i dont see why everyones getting all uptight about this tire/fitment issue...i was just joking earlier.....do whatcha do and keep it moving.......there wil always be haters in every situation....if you like hamburglers thats fine and if you like rubber bands thats fine tooo......i agree with DO...it all depends on the car and its intended use....
NewGen33
01-20-2010, 02:08 AM
I see segregation at the next v meet. Stretched on one side fitment on the other.
Fast Shadow
01-20-2010, 04:08 AM
19x9.5 245/35
19x10.5 275/30
Yoko AD08 tires which run quite a bit wider than the sizes indicate, an AD08 in 275 is wider than a Nitto or PS2 285
Could fit a 295/30 in rear but I am already pretty aggressive at +15. It's my daily driver, I can't make it totally unpractical. I could also fit a 265/30 in front but thin/stiff sidewalls in front make the ride harsher and more skittish on rough roads.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4203/img0226ap.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8127/img0254y.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3149/img0244t.jpg
csmiths
01-20-2010, 07:32 AM
LOLOLOL, I had to say something about this one. GRAMMAR comebacks are where it's at, bro.
I read what you said, but all I got out of it was "I drive a Civic and it's sooooo much better than your Corvette, blah, blah, blah, I'm fucking cool and you're not." Now, If it was a riced out Corvette, I wouldn't speak up, but do you REALIZE what you said?
Cliffs: His Corvette is > your Civic. Civics are great for what they are, but they are not a sports car, and never will be.:2cents:
Is that what you got? You must not know how to comprehend very well. All I said was that he drives his car to pick up dudes. I dont know how on earth that translates to my civic is the greatest car on earth and his corvette sucks ass. But I guess you must be seeing something between the lines that im not seeing. Or you can be one of the other nut riders thats just gonna hate to hate.
Elbow
01-20-2010, 08:05 AM
I love this thread, it gives me hope some smart car people still exist.
swollix
01-20-2010, 08:14 AM
More Pics, less bitching guys.
Mista Foe-Doe
01-20-2010, 09:00 AM
swollix..........you stretch shirts so why cant we stretch tires..when you get a shirt that fits then we'll get tires that fit
hahahaha
BKgen®
01-20-2010, 10:00 AM
I see segregation at the next v meet. Stretched on one side fitment on the other.
The tuner scene is starting to evolve yet again, and now I see a new (and somewhat controversial) trend starting to take form. First there was the whole Nopi-fied body kit movement... then the market became saturated with "JDM" bullshit.... and now it looks as if the next big thing is going to be stance. Stretched tires, wheel rims sticking out past fenders with hardly any rubber to be seen. I'm not sure what I'm getting at here.... I guess it's just nice to see the scene evolve like this and see so many people getting passionate about what they think is right / looks good / etc.
/tangent
Glides
01-20-2010, 10:17 AM
swollix..........you stretch shirts so why cant we stretch tires..when you get a shirt that fits then we'll get tires that fit
I belly laughed on this one.
Honestly, who really gives a fuck about whose tires.
If you like stretch, do it.
If you don't, don't.
On_Her_Face
01-20-2010, 12:03 PM
I see segregation at the next v meet. Stretched on one side fitment on the other.
I love when the BP used to be like this, I'll post pictures of my rubber bands later. Good thread.
WalkS
01-20-2010, 12:16 PM
Where is AFSil80 at? haha, he should post up in here.
UpSideDownDesi
01-20-2010, 12:22 PM
aite now fun is turnin into BS. Lets just post opinions, pix and stick to that.
On_Her_Face
01-20-2010, 12:33 PM
aite now fun is turnin into BS. Lets just post opinions, pix and stick to that.
good call.
Dirty Octopus™
01-20-2010, 12:36 PM
ood call.
werd. I'll PM him :goodjob:
ueyedgr8tness
01-20-2010, 12:38 PM
some 315/35/r17 nitto i had on the wifes car back in the day:yes:
On_Her_Face
01-20-2010, 12:40 PM
315s don't just go under a mustang without a fender roll correct?... I just don't know ha
ueyedgr8tness
01-20-2010, 12:44 PM
^ nah when it was on pavement they go right up in there with about1/4 inch from scrub the inside wall.Well thats how it was on hers,10inch wide rim in the back and 9 inch in the front.
DSGMach1
01-20-2010, 12:48 PM
My car on 17x10.5's. 315/35/17 BFG T/A KD's
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/Mach1.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/100_0314.jpg
Stock 245 vs 315
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/0829081555-1.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/0829081544.jpg
Not my car but pretty sick.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7879/wheel1hw1.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4796/wheel2dx9.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/270/wheel3ao7.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1917/wheel4rw6.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/600/wheel5cw3.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9003/wheel6qk8.jpg
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8292/picture003captioned2larek5.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2928/wheel7largezk4.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8880/p1030343largepg6.jpg
MidLifeCrisis
01-20-2010, 12:52 PM
[QUOTE=DSGMach1;38734747]
Not my car but pretty sick.
QUOTE]
This post is chock full of teh win.
On_Her_Face
01-20-2010, 01:00 PM
Jesus.
BexSican 408
01-20-2010, 01:10 PM
225 on 18 x 7.5
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l140/davidbexley/IMG_5205.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l140/davidbexley/IMG_5206.jpg
swollix
01-20-2010, 01:46 PM
225 on 18 x 7.5
I had 245's on my 7.5" BBS on my M3,lol.
BexSican 408
01-20-2010, 01:51 PM
I had 245's on my 7.5" BBS on my M3,lol.
ha damn. How did you like that?
I'm actually going to be in the market for new tires soon and can't decide if I want to lower the car a bit and go to a 215 or keep the ride height the same and stay beefier.
AnthonyF
01-20-2010, 05:08 PM
Stretched tires has ZERO purpose. THAT's the difference. I'll post my pics of some 335's tonight.
-Ant.
Sol-Badguy
01-20-2010, 06:07 PM
Holy crapshit at those 345's!! :eek:
Nemesis
01-20-2010, 06:14 PM
315s don't just go under a mustang without a fender roll correct?... I just don't know ha
S197s come with rolled fenders stock.
315s are my next purchase, I cant get traction in first or second for shit.
Nemesis
01-20-2010, 06:18 PM
My car with 285s
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4226712693_1fd8991b04_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/4124318358_a1cb80a4aa_b.jpg
carbongs
01-20-2010, 06:27 PM
My rear 20x10 with 285/30/20
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f279/CarbonGS/GS300%20Build/FenderShaveResults2.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f279/CarbonGS/2009/4-26-09%20Import%20Alliance%20Atlanta/3487657646_0fa33a3a90_o.jpg
Elbow
01-20-2010, 06:31 PM
My car on 17x10.5's. 315/35/17 BFG T/A KD's
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/Mach1.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/100_0314.jpg
Stock 245 vs 315
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/0829081555-1.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/Mustang9668/0829081544.jpg
Not my car but pretty sick.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7879/wheel1hw1.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4796/wheel2dx9.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/270/wheel3ao7.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1917/wheel4rw6.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/600/wheel5cw3.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9003/wheel6qk8.jpg
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8292/picture003captioned2larek5.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2928/wheel7largezk4.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8880/p1030343largepg6.jpg
They cut and re welded the wheels?! :???::???::???::???::no:
285/35
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9084/3508jq.jpg
AFSil80
01-20-2010, 07:03 PM
Stance kids/hardparkers = hipsters of the car community. Trend fags that were all up on some JDM shit 4 years ago like it was a 21 year old virgin with 38dd's...they want you to know they're cool, but don't wanna have to tell you, hence the attitude. Posers like none other, I swear.
Fronts...255/40/17, 9" wide wheel.
Rears...275/35/18, 9" wide wheel.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01149.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01182.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01178.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01183.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01405.jpg
This pic was taken before my alignment, hence why the top of the tire is tucking.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01159.jpg
Now some of you may be asking...why stuff so much damn rubber under there, if you ain't making shit tons of power?
Well, your brakes are only as good as your contact patch, and I'll be damned if there's a 215 that will keep these sumbitches from locking down...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/AFSil80/DSC01176.jpg
Where is AFSil80 at? haha, he should post up in here.
Better late than never, right?
swollix
01-20-2010, 10:36 PM
They cut and re welded the wheels?! :???::???::???::???::no:
This is a very common practice in the muscle-car world.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll135/z06801/IMG_3221.jpg
More meat for the table:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4289319198_3b46fd6763_o.jpg
I'm not on here nearly as much as I used to be, but this is easily one of the most bonerific threads I've seen in awhile. Glad to see there are in fact some people on here with the same taste as me. No pics since the tires, but on my WRX I'm running 245s on a 17x8 wheel and it looks mean (obviously can't hold a candle to some of these rwd cars though).
Prime.
01-21-2010, 01:22 AM
Stance kids/hardparkers = hipsters of the car community.
Sorry I don't drive a racecar. My bad. :rolleyes:
RallyMazda01
01-21-2010, 01:56 AM
31x10.5 on a 15x8 rim.
http://i46.tinypic.com/wb2hr6.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/6qjv2f.jpg
AnthonyF
01-21-2010, 09:07 AM
They cut and re welded the wheels?! :???::???::???::???::no:
yeah, it's VERY common. It's too keep it look "stock" from the side but have that nice fat tire in the rear.
335/40/19
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/viper2-1.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/bella14-2-1.jpg
285/45/18
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/mustang02.jpg
the trade in
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/tacoma2.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/MUSTANG2.jpg
-Ant.
DSGMach1
01-21-2010, 10:31 AM
They can also narrow factory wheels to 17x5. This guy narrowed stock Mach 1 wheels and widened the rears from 8" to 10.5" http://www.weldcraftwheels.com/
He said its $250 per wheel
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20009%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20013%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20008%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20002%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20005%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20030%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20031%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Skinny.Mach1.Wheels%20032%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Wheels.2008%20061%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Wheels.2008%20071%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Wheels.2008%20072%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Wheels.2008%20082%20(Medium).jpg
http://www.slugbitchracing.com/Mach1/wheels/Wheels.2008%20083%20(Medium).jpg
AFSil80
01-21-2010, 10:39 AM
Sorry I don't drive a racecar. My bad. :rolleyes:
Don't apologize to me, haha. Sounds like a personal problem.
AnthonyF
01-21-2010, 10:40 AM
^very bad ass! It looks so good that way. I wanted to do it to mine as well. (widen the rear that is)
-Ant.
you all should post up hp numbers with these tire sizes.. because i know that 38% of them dont make over 300hp...lol
Nemesis
01-21-2010, 01:13 PM
hp numbers in the sig
hp numbers in the sig
i guess you do need to upgrade to some 385's!
285/35
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9084/3508jq.jpg
:yes:
1439/2000
01-21-2010, 01:27 PM
http://www.galantvr4.org/img.php?id=98851
AnthonyF
01-21-2010, 01:40 PM
you all should post up hp numbers with these tire sizes.. because i know that 38% of them dont make over 300hp...lol
the 335's are handling 535hp/540tq
the 285's were handling littler under 400 before the n20 & Meth & PSI increase.
-Ant.
mistergou
01-21-2010, 01:55 PM
http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/44958/2169281020057660290S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2169281020057660290RFOajq)
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/44613/2807942120057660290S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2807942120057660290xWOrjl)
my small 315/35
[3000gt20s]
01-21-2010, 03:27 PM
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/MIACUBANO84/100_1617.jpg?t=1264105541
AFSil80
01-21-2010, 04:11 PM
you all should post up hp numbers with these tire sizes.. because i know that 38% of them dont make over 300hp...lol
Hence why I made a point of saying that my tire sizes are justified by my brake setup. I don't have ABS like most of the guys that have posted in this thread, so I gotta have grip up front, considering that my STOCK brakes were locking down with a 225 up front.
I have no idea what my car was making on #'s though...it had an HKS GT2540R with bigger injectors and a ROM tune. Probably 250'ish on a good day. I'm done fooling with bottom mount T2small setups, so take that however you will...
swollix
01-21-2010, 05:21 PM
My 315's are handling about 430 HP at the crank...
I only have high-flow mufflers and K&N Filter though.
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs056.snc3/14337_197372921871_504711871_3255548_7223079_n.jpg
BKgen®
01-21-2010, 05:40 PM
;38739570']http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/MIACUBANO84/100_1617.jpg?t=1264105541
Jesus Christ... *bites tongue*
DunDunSkeert
01-21-2010, 08:06 PM
225 on a 17x7, I want to go 235 or 245 but I need wider wheels...
http://i47.tinypic.com/jf86y1.jpg
m3dic8d
01-21-2010, 10:29 PM
Shit picture, but the only one I got that kinda shows tire width... 305's
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x277/boostplz/DSCN0655.jpg?t=1264130832
Pops has 335's on his z06
gpw hatch
01-25-2010, 11:53 PM
Anti-Stretch Stance:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2603/4183194733_606e251d6d_o.jpg
thats chopped btw, still looks so badass...
more subi content
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii287/chivpar/timeatkbeeftires.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii287/chivpar/timeatkbeeftires2.jpg
different car
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii287/chivpar/265x35.jpg
im a fan of some sweet black MEAT :boobies:
swollix
01-26-2010, 12:06 AM
Corvette powered E36 M3:
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/590168517_37gpV-L.jpg
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/583539065_iA6uX-L.jpg
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/583538823_c6cXc-L.jpg
sprix!
01-26-2010, 12:57 AM
Definitely some spanktastic pics in this thread.
dragoncelica
01-26-2010, 08:01 AM
stretched tires are gay and unsafe.
by the way welded wheels have been arround since the beginning, race wheels are welded, duhhh!
jdm_crx_man
01-26-2010, 08:59 AM
uh....
canadianrcis
01-26-2010, 09:03 AM
i need to get some pics 195 on a 8 1/2 rim
sprix!
01-26-2010, 11:24 AM
i need to get some pics 195 on a 8 1/2 rim
:screwy:
Ok, if you don't like tires that are the appropriate width for your wheels, you should stay out of this thread.
Doppelgänger
01-26-2010, 11:38 AM
Might not seem like much, but on a small car - 235-40/17 slicks (which we all know run wider, so more like a 245-40/17).
http://www.imagelinkers.com/out.php/i51804_slicks.jpg
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2899/2401/32246200026_large.jpg
But there are some guys running 275-35/15s on Miatas...
http://autox.i-55.com/forums/uploads/1224287778/gallery_5_2_29898.jpg
http://www.949racing.com/15x9/15x9_6UL_275_NB_2.JPG
http://www.949racing.com/15x9/15x9_6UL_275_NB_5.JPG
Stol3n
01-26-2010, 11:56 AM
19x9.5 245/35
19x10.5 275/30
Yoko AD08 tires which run quite a bit wider than the sizes indicate, an AD08 in 275 is wider than a Nitto or PS2 285
Could fit a 295/30 in rear but I am already pretty aggressive at +15. It's my daily driver, I can't make it totally unpractical. I could also fit a 265/30 in front but thin/stiff sidewalls in front make the ride harsher and more skittish on rough roads.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4203/img0226ap.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8127/img0254y.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3149/img0244t.jpg
love that m3. :goodjob:
They cut and re welded the wheels?! :???::???::???::???::no:
that's a common practice in the v8 world.
you all should post up hp numbers with these tire sizes.. because i know that 38% of them dont make over 300hp...lol
:lmfao:
swollix
01-26-2010, 06:26 PM
keep it going!
http://autotraderca.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/sl65-amg-black.jpg?w=613&h=345
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2007/2007-Hennessey-Venom-1000-Twin-Turbo-Dodge-Viper-SRT-Rear-Angle-Tilt-1024x768.jpg
http://www.qv500.com/Ferrari%20F40%20P1%204.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/1681229900_f4e58c0742.jpg?v=0
http://blog.gtroc.com/dino/ttd-10.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7233/azzwg42copylf2.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-ghi/GeigerCars-Corvette-Z06-SA-1280x960.jpg
http://www.madwhips.com/upload/images/lamborghini_diablo_coupe_2_2_1-568-426.jpg
Ya know i had to post this up....
Hektik
01-26-2010, 11:36 PM
Hooray for MEAT!!!!!!
this thread wins. who doesn't love big meat??:ninja::ninja:
swollix
01-27-2010, 10:00 PM
this thread wins. who doesn't love big meat??:ninja::ninja:
Honda drivers, cause they're all pussies. :lmfao:
DaRussian
03-08-2010, 12:57 AM
This what im talking about!
DaRussian
03-08-2010, 01:03 AM
more pics
Slow Motion
03-08-2010, 01:11 AM
Damn, there goes the neighborhood.
Nemesis
03-08-2010, 08:32 AM
Damn, there goes the neighborhood.
took the words right out of my mouth.
Elbow
03-08-2010, 08:35 AM
....
Mantooth
03-08-2010, 08:35 AM
....It needs more negative camber and stretch, imo.:ninja:
Elbow
03-08-2010, 08:36 AM
It needs more negative camber and stretch, imo.:ninja:
You're absolutely right. Ricers these days without the camber and stretch. :lmfao:
Mantooth
03-08-2010, 08:38 AM
You're absolutely right. Ricers these days without the camber and stretch. :lmfao:http://www.texasracingsite.com/TRS/images/smilies/bigrofl.gif
AFSil80
03-08-2010, 09:00 AM
You're absolutely right. Ricers these days without the camber and stretch. :lmfao:
I'm diggin that 914.
Evil Goat
03-08-2010, 09:21 AM
26x10.50's
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/85/l_1873902eeca74b63a636d08b3218bf11.jpg
OnURleft
03-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Here's my brothers GTO on the track....
2004 GTO 383ci fully built. 275 rears 255 Azenis fronts. Very neutral, lots of grip for the power but still loves to light up on slow track out. Brembo rotors with Hawk HP+ and cooling ducts are only good for about 3 laps, flat out.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/95ltw/n1114410536_30766854_3133916.jpg
AFSil80
03-11-2010, 05:57 PM
275 rears 255 Azenis fronts.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/95ltw/n1114410536_30766854_3133916.jpg
Damn, same sizes that I'm running, haha.
smackdown
03-11-2010, 06:00 PM
I miss them but here goes...no stretch
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/91/rims007a7st.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/rims007a7st.jpg/)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6963/rims0110tq.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/rims0110tq.jpg/)
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7938/040h.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/040h.jpg/)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9168/myrides0153wk.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/i/myrides0153wk.jpg/)
My poor vet but a thumbs up to no stretch!! might have a little poke after what just happened but its not on purpose...
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/6696/1111124img0bg.jpg (http://img479.imageshack.us/i/1111124img0bg.jpg/)
Dels no stretch
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3974/del0090um.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/del0090um.jpg/)
Johns no stretch..
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2953/rimphotoshoot0216lg.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/rimphotoshoot0216lg.jpg/)
Julio
03-11-2010, 06:19 PM
Fuck Stretch.. .. and yes is low enough for me...
(factory Bolts)
Wider > Stretch.
I want wider.
275's...
AnthonyF
03-11-2010, 07:33 PM
^just get some Z06 rims. Then u can go to a 315 or any size you like.
This thread is the sexiest on IA...relating to cars that is.
Fuck that stupid stretch bullshit. Take it to a road course and lemme know how it holds up.
-Ant.
Julio
03-11-2010, 07:37 PM
^just get some Z06 rims. Then u can go to a 315 or any size you like.
This thread is the sexiest on IA...relating to cars that is.
Fuck that stupid stretch bullshit. Take it to a road course and lemme know how it holds up.
-Ant.
Looking for them as I type.. been looking for a a couple of month.. just waiting on the right price.... :D
Mantooth
03-11-2010, 07:42 PM
I miss them but here goes...no stretch
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/91/rims007a7st.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/rims007a7st.jpg/)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6963/rims0110tq.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/rims0110tq.jpg/)
One of my favorite model Vipers. I love the fact that you can put stupidly wide tires on them. So sick.
tnomud
03-11-2010, 08:55 PM
275's on 10"...........all 4
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/E46%20M3/december2009024.jpg
Mantooth
03-11-2010, 08:57 PM
275's on 10"...........all 4
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/E46%20M3/december2009024.jpgHave a profile shot?
tnomud
03-11-2010, 09:00 PM
Have a profile shot?
from the back?
Mantooth
03-11-2010, 09:03 PM
from the back?From the side. Of the car, btw.:lmfao:
tnomud
03-11-2010, 09:06 PM
From the side. Of the car, btw.:lmfao:
good thing you cleared that up, I havent manscaped in a few days, but figured "what the hell, it's thursday"...... :D
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/E46%20M3/december2009033.jpg
Mantooth
03-11-2010, 09:17 PM
good thing you cleared that up, I havent manscaped in a few days, but figured "what the hell, it's thursday"...... :D
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/E46%20M3/december2009033.jpg:lmfao:
Those wheels look great, man. Ever thought about blacking out the gills?
tnomud
03-11-2010, 09:29 PM
:lmfao:
Those wheels look great, man. Ever thought about blacking out the gills?
the thought has crossed my mind, but it looks like one of those "very expensive parts that needs to be there, but breaks easily removing" deals.
I was kinda screwed on the wheel options, I have to run a 18X10 to clear the brakes and my choices very very limited in this bolt pattern/offset. Most didn't clear the calipers. SSR was the only other that cleared, but they are NLA.
Mantooth
03-11-2010, 09:30 PM
the thought has crossed my mind, but it looks like one of those "very expensive parts that needs to be there, but breaks easily removing" deals.
I was kinda screwed on the wheel options, I have to run a 18X10 to clear the brakes and my choices very very limited in this bolt pattern/offset. Most didn't clear the calipers. SSR was the only other that cleared, but they are NLA.It's time for some HREs.:D
tnomud
03-11-2010, 09:32 PM
It's time for some HREs.:D
I am just a poor Walmart greeter..........I'd have to do something that sucks for that kinda rimjob. ;)
tnomud
03-11-2010, 09:40 PM
here's some poke for ya....
235's................times 4 :)
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/tnomud/SUPERDUALLY/december2009011.jpg
ItsBlack
03-11-2010, 09:41 PM
225/50/16. not bad for a fwd
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3192/1002982q.jpg
swollix
03-12-2010, 12:47 AM
Fuck Stretch.. .. and yes is low enough for me...
(factory Bolts)
Wider > Stretch.
I want wider.
275's...
You can definitely go lower,lol.
5speed
03-12-2010, 12:52 AM
Mother fucker! I wish I had pics of my old Camaro's big ass tires. They were wide and beefy. I kick myself in the ass everyday for selling it.
ghettos2k
03-12-2010, 01:55 AM
mantooth is gay, mustangs are gay corvettes are gay. if it aint streched and stanced its gay. and if you dont like it you're gay. im just stating facts here ppl. please get your shit together.
atlxpat
03-12-2010, 02:59 AM
^just get some Z06 rims. Then u can go to a 315 or any size you like.
This thread is the sexiest on IA...relating to cars that is.
Fuck that stupid stretch bullshit. Take it to a road course and lemme know how it holds up.
-Ant.
its been awhile since i've agreed with you
Elbow
03-12-2010, 07:59 AM
225/50/16. not bad for a fwd
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3192/1002982q.jpg
What wheels are those? Those cars are bad ass though I love them.
tnomud
03-12-2010, 08:13 AM
What wheels are those? Those cars are bad ass though I love them.
I think they are late 90's Mustang GT 17's.............
Elbow
03-12-2010, 08:15 AM
I think they are late 90's Mustang GT 17's.............
That's what I was thinking...:no:
ItsBlack
03-12-2010, 08:26 AM
^Actually Cobra R replicas. The previous ower put em on :no: I dont really like em either but... everytime I wash my car and that chrome shines like new again I change my mind.
(and they're 16s)
Elbow
03-12-2010, 08:29 AM
I am just a poor Walmart greeter..........I'd have to do something that sucks for that kinda rimjob. ;)
Walmart greeters don't get paid to bad....:doh:
AnthonyF
03-12-2010, 08:59 AM
:lmfao:
Those wheels look great, man. Ever thought about blacking out the gills?That would look hot. I second that notion.
-Ant.
tnomud
03-12-2010, 11:36 AM
I think they are late 90's Mustang GT 17's.............
IIRC, those are uber-light wheels for their size though....
quickdodge®
03-12-2010, 11:37 AM
I might be one of the few these days who thinks stretched tires look stupid so post pics of your anti-stretch in this thread. Try to keep it with only IA member pics.
Give me two weeks and I'll post mine! Later, QD.
tnomud
03-12-2010, 11:38 AM
That would look hot. I second that notion.
-Ant.
why's it always gotta be a black/white thing around here?? :crazy:
HachiDori
03-12-2010, 06:54 PM
225/40 on 18x7
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z61/vipertimmy/100_0925.jpg
buauhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha ha :lmfao:
Elbow
03-12-2010, 06:57 PM
buauhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha ha :lmfao:
http://www.velocityjournal.com/images/full/1998/s9806151/98dtgp15.jpg
chameleon30038
03-13-2010, 02:20 AM
They cut and re welded the wheels?! :???::???::???::???::no:
glad to see i'm not the only one wondering about re welded wheels on a twin turbo car....hmmmm
AFSil80
03-13-2010, 03:15 AM
glad to see i'm not the only one wondering about re welded wheels on a twin turbo car....hmmmm
This part made me scratch my head, but whatever.
Brian*
03-14-2010, 02:41 PM
OP's car is SIC!
HillClimbGuy
03-14-2010, 05:23 PM
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs483.ash1/26447_1400585217688_1324047062_31094747_4446305_n. jpg
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs483.snc3/26447_1400585537696_1324047062_31094755_2307754_n. jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs483.ash1/26447_1400585177687_1324047062_31094746_2322804_n. jpg
just some quick pics for now looks good for only being a baby 245 :D:D:D
thanks again to extra made for the coilovers.
swollix
03-14-2010, 10:30 PM
OP's car is SIC!
Thanks!
Mantooth
03-14-2010, 10:48 PM
Thanks!BS!
Corvettes are gay! You should have gotten a DA! DAs are where it's at!
SoCoWhiteWS6
03-14-2010, 11:06 PM
mustang i had, i'll try and get pics of the trans am once i clean it up, and then of my rear 19x9.5s when i get them back tomorrow, going 295/35r19. 295 is enough for a 9.5 i guess. theyre nitto so i probably shouldve went 305 lol.
http://i43.tinypic.com/dw6ohh.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/rhstup.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/11916if.jpg
boostedb16
03-14-2010, 11:22 PM
Anti-Stretch Stance:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2603/4183194733_606e251d6d_o.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/calirti45/Lances_STI_shoot_-24.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/calirti45/Lances_STI_shoot_-19.jpgi am not hating on the streched look but if you can get this ^^^ look with out streching the tire and taking a chance at fucking up a nice wheel, then why not just do it like this??????????
vubuilt
03-15-2010, 12:06 AM
285 is enough rubber for me.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/vubuilt/taco/DSCN0507.jpg
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