b18a all motor

[cprtyler]

here is my build then ill get to question.
p75 head port matched to s2 im and 3angle valve job
s2 im
hondata im gasket
crower valve train with 404's
buddy club cam gears
440cc injectors
68 mm tb
str fuel rail and fpr
balanced and polished crank
stock rods polished and shot peened
block guard
11lbs flywheel
stage 2 clutch
ctr crank pully
arp hardware
block bored 20 over
4-1 race header 2.5" stright through exhaust

the question is iv looked at 3 compression calaculators there all diff, looking for 12:1 cr. i have been told go with ptc pistons, i also been told p73 jdm pistons, give me imput because on the calc's there diff ranging from 11:1-13.5:1.any POSITIVE info would be great

[cprtyler]

ttt

[ballistic08]

have you thought about forged pistons?

[cprtyler]

ya i have but im just mainly on a budget build and the pistons are all i have left and forged puts me alil over budget, but thanks

[jadakid88]

tb no, injectors no, and ctr pistons no... and since your boring 20 over just run srp 10.5:1 pistons since they are common in that bore size. everything else you have there is close to my setup and for what it is moves...props for doing this build

[Starrfire]

use jdm b16a pistons, p30's make more compression than jdm itr's but less than b16b's.
11.7:1 at 81.5mm bore. stock injectors will work fine. Throttle body is iffy. 65 mm would be the largest I would go on a mild setup like this.

[cprtyler]

ok so p30's put compression at 11.7:1 thats close to what i want any other suggestions as fuel pump and ignition?

[cprtyler]

pm me ur numbers jadakid and build thanks for advice just lookin for a bit more compression though

[firby911]

Good luck to you,what kind of numbers are you expecting?

[TheChosenOne]

I love to see non-vtec builds. It makes you try harder... just ask Bisi. lol :goodjob:

[Barefoot]

i want any other suggestions as fuel pump and ignition?run stock on both your not going to get close to the max handling with the setup.

[bloodline]

props for the build.. you'll definatly feel some pick wit the pr3 pistons...i was goin to do this build myself..still workin on mines tho....everyone these days just want to build a ls-v and call it a day or just slap a turbo on there motor...and think there hot shit...no one wants to do research , find specs and really build much now a days...some do..but some dont..good luck wit that bro..i'd like to see updates

[bloodline]

oh yeh forgot to ask..wut kinda tranny are you running? hopefully not an ls

[Starrfire]

run stock on both your not going to get close to the max handling with the setup.

true, stock injectors will be fine also.

[cprtyler]

im figuring around 150-165 hp (trying to keep realistic numbers in mind) i already have a turbo lsv in makes also, but with this build its something not many ppl do, right now till i can up grade i have a hydro ls tranny but when i get funds ill get a lsd type r (atleast thats what i want). the reason i was wondering about ignition set up is because my car was acting funny when i had platium ngk plug in the car, i put ngk copper in it and ran great, the pulse star plugs (which are amazing in my other car) are platium. i checked both gaps on both plugs and it was same cap,rotor,and wires. do u think a accel coil or msd box would suffice? i would like more numbers around 180 but still wanna use 92 octain if any one has any more suggestions lmk

[Barefoot]

do u think a accel coil or msd box would suffice?


run stock on both your not going to get close to the max handling with the setup.
:goodjob::goodjob::goodjob:

[cprtyler]

will try and post pics and info on build soon

[Starrfire]

don't get that crappy ACL or MSD ignition. Stock will work perfectly. Replace your plug wires or something also, just some ngk wires.

[cprtyler]

ok ill give it a shot when shes ready still lacking a few parts lol mainly arp hardware and waiting to get block back from machine shop

[Starrfire]

Also what you don't need is the rods shot peened and polished, but ARP does recommend you get the big end re sized. I did per their reccomendation.
Balancing is a good thing though, just make sure you have everything in the rotating assembly, well minus the clutch and flywheel for obvious reasons(out of balance possibly with the change of a clutch/flywheel selection). Just make sure you have your pistons,rings,crank gear, crank pulley and bolt and you should be gravy. GL with the build. It should go smoothly since its a really simple engine.

[ballistic08]

and since your boring 20 over just run srp 10.5:1 pistons since they are common in that bore size.

all piston brands are common in that bore size.

I would save money on said parts and get some forged 12:1 pistons. Then you wont have to calculate your CR and you wont have to worry about weak pistons. MAHLE makes some nice b18 high compression pistons

[cprtyler]

ya it is a common size but those are real pricy lol and im deff not a high roller like most lol i have kids and wife so basic oem pistons will have to work till i hit the lotto lol!

so starfire basically just balance and blue print the motor is what ur sayin?

[Starrfire]

yep, the forged pistons like they are talking about won't fit on a stock rod anyways. Not without re bushing them and even then I don't know if they can because I don't own a machine shop. I just know that the Rs machine pistons are okay, just get the hole bored to them because they run a little big. The 81.5 mm piston I got was 81.5mm, not meant for an 81.5mm hole like most would do.

[cprtyler]

cool im going to be taking block to larry smiths very soon as soon as my new pistons arrive

[cprtyler]

pics should be up soon

[TheChosenOne]

Subscribed. :D

[cprtyler]

pics wont upload grrr

[Da_unknown]

sounding real good buddy....:goodjob:

[cprtyler]

^^ thanks alot

[cprtyler]

here is a few pics

[cprtyler]

there huge but couldnt get them to load any other way lol waitin on block to get back from machine shop to get more pics

[Starrfire]

that fuel rail looks familiar, looking good dude.

[cprtyler]

that fuel rail looks familiar, looking good dude.
thanks man its coming along good

[georgieboi]

mmm thats a nice s2 mani

[cprtyler]

mmm thats a nice s2 mani
yea it is think bout getting it powder coated

[bloodline]

good to see some progress..ls-v's are all ppl ever wanna do wit that motor..you'll definatly pull on a geezer

[cprtyler]

good to see some progress..ls-v's are all ppl ever wanna do wit that motor..you'll definatly pull on a geezer
ya i am building a lsv turbo too just mainly doing this cuz no one does, i hoping to walk some geezers to but who knows we will see when its together!

[cprtyler]

ok i just finished my taxes and lets say im getting alot back:goodjob: the new question is that i was wondering about this with my 404 cams and me adding itbs

Part #: BC0029
STROKER KIT - Honda/Acura B18/B20, 95mm Stroke Crank, bRODS (5.394" w/ARP2000), Pistons, Bearings

BC 4340 forged steel crankshaft (92mm or 95mm stroke).
BC 4340 Econo or Pro Series connecting rods w/ARP 220,000 psi fasteners.
CP aluminum forged pistons (any bore size, any compression ratio).
5100 Series carbon steel alloy wrist pins. 9310 Series pin upgrade avail.
Ductile iron plasma top rings, tapered second ring, low tension oil rings. Features aluminum buttons/rail supports (not spiral locks).
ACL Race Series rod and main bearings included.
Fully system balanced and ready to install.
Rather than piece together your bottom end with a variety of mismatched parts, order a BC stroker kit that not only increases your overall displacement for more horsepower and torque, but also delivers strength and reliability using only the highest quality parts. Lightweight crank available (7 lbs less).

Stock Specifications:
B18A/B 81mm Bore x 89mm Stroke - 8.350" Block Height

i want to use the 92mm stroke and ill be using a 81.5 or 82 bore:goodjob:
ill probly use the 7lbs less crank too so what do you guys think???

[BABY J]

^^ Will this be a daily driver??

[cprtyler]

i really would like it to be but doubt that it can be

[bloodline]

hmmm

[cprtyler]

basically i want to know how reliable the motor would be and if i could daily it probably not i know but i mean i hit the search bar a few times and found a few that were supposed to be that have been on the road for two or more yrs and havent had many if any problems

[Da_unknown]

its a kinda of iffy thing....u would make good power no doubt, but using it as a daily i wouldnt do it... but everthing is looking good though...

[southside]

Original setup could make up to 176whp I seen a few people on honda tech making 180-190whp with ls motors with same stuff listed and crazy port and valve jobs.

[cprtyler]

ya i seen some ppl and dyno sheets on ht too i guess its back to drawing board. i really want to hit 190 - 195 but know its going to be hard, ill probably hit the 180 mark i would guess thanks guys

[Da_unknown]

u can do it, u got the right idea about what to do..

[cprtyler]

u can do it, u got the right idea about what to do..

which part the numbers or the stroker dd

[Da_unknown]

the #s..

[cprtyler]

do think obx itbs wouldbe more affective then the sk2 im and 65mm tb with whale penis intake?

[Da_unknown]

itbs are good, but i have heard to much mixed reviews about the obx itbs.. but u hear about everything obx makes anyway... i run a obx lsd in my car and hear bad things about it... its just depends i guess

[cprtyler]

for sake of arrgument would u use any style itbs or just keep the other set up

[BABY J]

Stick w/ the 81.5mm bore if your cylinder walls look good. ALSO - have your builder weigh the rotating assembly (loaded) - it will need to be ULTRA balanced considering you have a reworked crank and intend on 1) high rpms and 2) daily driving. If that crank isn't spot on you will know b/c the mains will go to shit and possibly the oil pump gear - but I suspect Brian/Doug at BC know what they are doing. It'd be almost disrespectful to get one of their cranks turned right outta the box just to check - depends on how anal you are.

The next thing you need to consider is the head - so far it sounds like the weak link to your setup. These are the 2 affordable guys that I trust - tell either one that Baby J told you to give them a call:

http://team4piston.com/ (ask for Luke - he is the MFactory All-Motor Insight driver, and his brother is Josh - they do good work - they start w/ a CNC port (they have good CNC programs) and finish it with hand work - flow bench numbers are shipped with your head.

www.stewartengines.com - Jim needs no introduction. Here are his head programs : http://stewartengines.com/headwork.html

Jim will hook you up w/ a hand-port and he is the REAL DEAL. Flow bench numbers are shipped with your head as well.

-- If time is not on your side - then go w/ Luke - they are fairly quick. If you have more time - go w/ Jim. He is "slow" but he's a perfectionist - it will be RIGHT before he sends it back. He's an artist - artists don't like to be rushed - LOL. G/L

[cprtyler]

^^^^ thanks will def talk to them, any insight on the itbs? im really interested in making 190-195

[BABY J]

Steer clear of the ITBs for a daily is my opinion - but Luke @ Team4 Piston runs them on their Insight and can offer some additional info.

[cprtyler]

ok so pretty much stick with orinigal set up if she going to be a dd

[bloodline]

itb setup for a daily wouldnt be suck a great idea..get a s2 im with an air intake and a velocity stack..the velocity stack believe it or not will give you an extra 4 horses

[afp6171]

just :thinking: why not put a fully built b16 head on it? wit some toda cams?

[BABY J]

just :thinking: why not put a fully built b16 head on it? wit some toda cams?

B/c not every1 likes to build the same shit that every1 else has.

[CeOTiO8]

B/c not every1 likes to build the same shit that every1 else has.


X2... I kinda doing the same thing... The only difference is I'm using a stock block and different tranny :goodjob:

[cprtyler]

the reason i dont put a b16 head on it is because im building a lsv turbo too i just want to c what i can get out of my ls motor its kinda a test to c how well my csr will stack up aginst my friends car its basically 4 fun.

[bloodline]

i thought you were gonna do all motor? now lsv boost?

[94_teg_ls]

i thought you were gonna do all motor? now lsv boost?




the reason i dont put a b16 head on it is because im building a lsv turbo too i just want to c what i can get out of my ls motor its kinda a test to c how well my csr will stack up aginst my friends car its basically 4 fun.

gl

[cprtyler]

gl
thanks for clearing that up, i have two motorss one all motor one boost, the boost is lsv thats why im building a na ls

[cprtyler]

this is a email i recived from crower today just wanted ppls insight, below is my email to him also

I apologize for the delay as I have been out in the shop. We make the
pistons custom for each kit so we can do any bore and compression ratio you
choose. The 12.3:1 is a little high for pump gas. I always recommend 11.5:1
but customers do run the 12.0:1 on 93 octane. No reliability issues as the
kit is fine for the daily driven vehicle. Everything is in stock except the
pistons -14-21 day lead time on those. Give me a call @ ext 101 if you have
any questions or wish to proceed. Thank you for your interest in BC
products.

Thank you,

Dustin Spencer
-------
Brian Crower, Inc.
161 So Marshall Ave
El Cajon CA 92020
P: 619-749-9018 - ext 101
F: 619-749-9128
www.runbc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: tyler cooper [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Stroker question

Hi i know that u must get these questions all the time, i have a b18a with a
p75 obd2 head that has be ported polished 3angle valve job, has a skunk 2
intake manifold w 68mm tb, password jdm power chamber intake with velosity
stack, the valve train consists of 62404 stage 3 crower cams with ur valves,
springs, and retainers, with buddy club adjustible cam gears, im running rc
440 injectors with str fuel rail and fpr, i have stock distrubiter with
accel internal coil with nology hot wires and pulse star plugs. The head and
all parts are brand new. Now my question is if i was to buy the crower
stroker kit thats a 92mm stroke and bored cyl to 81.5mm i want a comp ratio
of 12.3:1 is that attainable or is that to low for this kit?i dont want to
run race fuel I have a block guard with a obx oil pan thats 5.5qts, my other
question is can this app be daily driven or is it to much on the motors
bottom end to daily it? I want a powerful street car and built stroker 350's
all my life and dailyd them and would like to do this with my new passion.
Any and all info would be great.

Ps i have a ctr crank pully, 12lb flywheel, stg2 clutch, and integra type r
oil pump

[cprtyler]

any comments to the reply i recived from crower

[Da_unknown]

yeah he is right anything in the 12:1 ratio will need race gas...

[cprtyler]

ok im confused now does it need race gas due to the larger stroke because i hear of guys running 12.5:1 on stock stroke using 93 octane with tune? dont get me wrong im not using this kit now just going to use my pct pistons but wanted to know ppls input for a futur build

[BABY J]

12.5:1 is about the limits of pump on 93 octane. But that is all relative to other things like timing ... you can run higher if you want - but you'd have to pull so much timing that it'd be useless. If this car will see DD duties then keep it around 12.0 or less. Also remember cold starts on high compression can be a bitch --- you only need 1 good explosion to get the engine going but finding it can be tough. Also your ignition system has to be up to the task of punching through the compression as well

Don't confuse yourself by trying too hard sir. :)

[cprtyler]

kool man thanks for that just was planing way ahead lol for another build

[cprtyler]

well i just got the off time to purchase some things and i just got my arp head studs, venom 440cc injectors, holly 255 fuel pump, accel coil, pulse star plugs, ctr crank pully and will be receiving my ctr pistons and a few other things in a week or so ill be posting picks soon

[Catnip]

well i just got the off time to purchase some things and i just got my arp head studs, venom 440cc injectors, holly 255 fuel pump, accel coil, pulse star plugs, ctr crank pully and will be receiving my ctr pistons and a few other things in a week or so ill be posting picks soon


440cc injectors will be over kill. ITR's put down what, 185whp stock? Why would you need injectors bigger than that? Also, you should've ordered an OEM coil.

[Starrfire]

Yeah the coil is a bad idea, they are not gonna help. Actually it would probably do nothing at all. Honda ignition systems are very hot anyways.

The injectors are a waste of money, you aren't going to make over 190 wheel so you spent money just to say you had injectors on it.

Plus I don't think the 13.1:1 cr will be very becoming for a wheezing engine. P30 would have been the way to go. You are effectively making the engine less efficient by splitting the combustion in half with ctr's. The way to do it would be just flat top 10:1 pistons with a modified combustion chamber. So basically you should have bought some different pistons b/c you won't make a marginal increase in power from them, just problems.

[patrick2876]

how much is this costing you?

[cprtyler]

the injectors are for future reasons i have around 1600 in total build and thats all new parts, i have researched the pct pistons in a ls and they have great results in built ls, the coil was free due to a gift certific so its no biggie

[cprtyler]

some of the parts

[cprtyler]

will have more pics up shortly

[cprtyler]

heres a few more pics

[Da_unknown]

allmost time to put it all together

[cprtyler]

^^ very close man very close