Senate Approves Health Care Bill..

[mmmmpsi]

As someone that lived in a country that had socialized health care, let me tell you this.. If you have any medical condition that you can use your exisiting insurance for, DO IT NOW!!! You will not want to wait until the 30+ Million people who don't have insurance now get health care because you'll be waiting years for an operation that normally would only take a few weeks to get in for..

This is a sad sad day for the U.S. Last time I checked the needs of the few shouldn't outweigh the needs of the many.. Welcome to a another 12.4 Trillion on debt..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/24/health.care/index.html

[mmmmpsi]

What pisses me of the most about this is the fact that EVERYONE I talked to is against this, yet it still had enough votes from people in the Government to pass.. But wait, I think I have a reason for this.. ALL of the people that I talked to about this HAVE JOBS!!! I think we're onto something here..

[dorin48]

Still has a few more hoops to jump through before its reality. Its obvious they wanted to get something through as a place holder for accomplishment. I seriously doubt that any really know what it contains at this point. This is gonna suck.

[stormcrow]

2010 we will take back the Congress and Senate...and America will purge itself of this garbage. Make no bones about it, Obama will only have his Socialist country for less than a year.

[vinayak]

2010 we will take back the Congress and Senate...and America will purge itself of this garbage. Make no bones about it, Obama will only have his Socialist country for less than a year.


Once this is passed there will be no getting rid of it. Get used to it. I hope once people can't afford food, housing and transportation they finally take a stand, and no I am not talking about bitching to the higher ups as they do not listen. I am personally glad this is here and hope it becomes law. Keep your powder dry people.

[4DRGSR]

2010 we will take back the Congress and Senate...and America will purge itself of this garbage. Make no bones about it, Obama will only have his Socialist country for less than a year.

"We", as in you yourself are a senator/congressman? :blah::blah:

[4DRGSR]

As someone that lived in a country that had socialized health care, let me tell you this.. If you have any medical condition that you can use your exisiting insurance for, DO IT NOW!!! You will not want to wait until the 30+ Million people who don't have insurance now get health care because you'll be waiting years for an operation that normally would only take a few weeks to get in for..

This is a sad sad day for the U.S. Last time I checked the needs of the few shouldn't outweigh the needs of the many.. Welcome to a another 12.4 Trillion on debt..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/24/health.care/index.html

Our national debt was in the crapper much more heavily during the Bush years, stop your bitching. I worked for the govt. In Virginia for the better part of 2 years, it sucked, I came home!

[bdydrpdmazda]

this is a sad day for america...

[bdydrpdmazda]

Are national debt was in the crapper much more heavily during the Bush years, stop your bitching. I worked for the govt. In Virginia for the better part of 2 years, it sucked, I came home!
just because it was already in the crapper doesnt mean we should flush a couple trillion more down the toilet.

[SUBY_RUE]

I see another civil war coming soon...

[stormcrow]

Once this is passed there will be no getting rid of it. Get used to it. I hope once people can't afford food, housing and transportation they finally take a stand, and no I am not talking about bitching to the higher ups as they do not listen. I am personally glad this is here and hope it becomes law. Keep your powder dry people.

incorrect. legislation can be repealed. since it seems, from your post, that you are a bit anarchist, you might remember the Brady Bill and assault weapons ban...gone, sir. just as this will be once the Libs are removed from their throne.


"We", as in you yourself are a senator/congressman? :blah::blah:

"we" as in the people. the ones who elect said senators/congressmen. :)

[4DRGSR]

incorrect. legislation can be repealed. since it seems, from your post, that you are a bit anarchist, you might remember the Brady Bill and assault weapons ban...gone, sir. just as this will be once the Libs are removed from their throne.



"we" as in the people. the ones who elect said senators/congressmen. your kind won't get it's way next year. :)

My kind? Oh, I see you assume I'm a Democrat right? Wrong. I vote for the right man/woman for the job, not a party based decision. This time I chose not to vote for the crazy lady from Alaska and the "Old war veteran" who changed his views halfway through his campaign. I am a former Govt. employee, so I have learned that no matter what, ALL POLITICIANS HAVE A PRICE AND THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT.

[BanginJimmy]

My kind? Oh, I see you assume I'm a Democrat right? Wrong. I vote for the right man/woman for the job, not a party based decision. This time I chose not to vote for the crazy lady from Alaska and the "Old war veteran" who changed his views halfway through his campaign. I am a former Govt. employee, so I have learned that no matter what, ALL POLITICIANS HAVE A PRICE AND THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT.

So you voted for the community organizer with ties to domestic terrorists? That seems to be a MUCH safer choice to me than someone that spent more than 3 years in captivity for his country. As far as changing views, Obama doesnt have a viewpoint on anything but expanding the govt in every possible way.

[BanginJimmy]

Our national debt was in the crapper much more heavily during the Bush years, stop your bitching.


Actually it wasnt even close to the spending we have under Obama. That is highlighted by the fact that Obama's deficit this year is more than double Bush's worse deficit. Next year is expected to be MUCH worse also, probably in the 2T area.

[BanginJimmy]

If this bill is passed and signed we will have it for the long term. The only way to repeal it would be that the house and senate vote for and approve a bill to repeal it, then have a 2/3 vote in both houses to override the presidents veto of that bill. I just dont believe there will be enough turnaround in both houses to get those numbers.

[stormcrow]

My kind? Oh, I see you assume I'm a Democrat right? Wrong. I vote for the right man/woman for the job, not a party based decision. This time I chose not to vote for the crazy lady from Alaska and the "Old war veteran" who changed his views halfway through his campaign. I am a former Govt. employee, so I have learned that no matter what, ALL POLITICIANS HAVE A PRICE AND THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT.

ninja edit fail on my part.

so, you're saying you thought this was the better man for the job?

http://www.obamarofl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/obama-small.jpg

[MachNU]

What I love how no one has mentioned, all the demo-dumbasses rejoice over this, when they had to commit a crime to accomplish it. There are people talking about launching a lawsuit against all people who voted yes for the bill for "Bribery." No matter how you roll the dice, when someone say's, "For 300 million to my state, I might change my vote!" And then next thing you know a ear mark is added to the bill for them, that is a bribe.

But luckly its to late. 2010 is going to be a Republican Revolution, and by the end of the year Obama will be a Lame Duck!

[punkr6]

this is a sad day for america...
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I see another civil war coming soon...
i'm moving to texas if we do....

Actually it wasnt even close to the spending we have under Obama. That is highlighted by the fact that Obama's deficit this year is more than double Bush's worse deficit. Next year is expected to be MUCH worse also, probably in the 2T area.

I don't understand why this so hard to get across to people....

[BanginJimmy]

But luckly its to late. 2010 is going to be a Republican Revolution, and by the end of the year Obama will be a Lame Duck!


I would actually be MUCH more comfortable if next year wasnt looking so good for GOP already. If most of these congressmen thought they were ok for another term, or at least had a shot at another term, they might not push so hard, so fast. Most of these first termers from 06 already know they are out come November so they have nothing to lose by forcing as much socialistic govt as they possibly can.


As far as the lawsuits go, if they can at least force injunctions pending investigations, they can drag this on long enough to change some votes in purple districts. Remember, the first job of a politician is to get re-elected and most of those purple districts are held by the so called "blue-dogs".

[5speed]

This shit pissed me off as soon as I heard it! Fuck my ex-communist Grandfather from the Iron Curtain hates the fucking plan! I would say there will be a "revolution" in our lifetime. Don't think it will be soon. I say GA succeeds from the Union. No I am not some fucking dumb ass redneck wanting the South to Rise Again. And I would gladly argue my case if someone disagrees, and I have PhD friends that could back it up too.

[BanginJimmy]

This shit pissed me off as soon as I heard it! Fuck my ex-communist Grandfather from the Iron Curtain hates the fucking plan! I would say there will be a "revolution" in our lifetime. Don't think it will be soon. I say GA succeeds from the Union. No I am not some fucking dumb ass redneck wanting the South to Rise Again. And I would gladly argue my case if someone disagrees, and I have PhD friends that could back it up too.


There will be a revolution but dont kid yourself with these idiotic ideas of another civil war. It will closely mirror the GOP revolution of 94, with the Contract with America. I actually think the Dems went too far this time and it may hurt the party much worse than most are willing to say. In fact, but 2012, I wouldnt be surprised to see close to 65 republicans in the Senate, and over 300 in the House.

[TIGERJC]

There will be a revolution but dont kid yourself with these idiotic ideas of another civil war. It will closely mirror the GOP revolution of 94, with the Contract with America. I actually think the Dems went too far this time and it may hurt the party much worse than most are willing to say. In fact, but 2012, I wouldnt be surprised to see close to 65 republicans in the Senate, and over 300 in the House.
I guess the bible will then take the place of the constitution, then this country is truly fucked

[5speed]

I don't think there will ever be a secession, just saying I would like that in the case that America would be too fucking stupid to do anything about it instead of bitching all of the fucking time. This isn't a democrat/republican thing for me. They both are fucking retarded as a majority. It doesn't take a genius to run a nation properly.

[BanginJimmy]

I guess the bible will then take the place of the constitution, then this country is truly fucked

This statement would make me believe that you think dems are more for the Constitution than Reps are. You would in fact be wrong about that. The disregard for the constitution crosses party lines and is about the only thing the 2 parties agree on.

[5speed]

This statement would make me believe that you think dems are more for the Constitution than Reps are. You would in fact be wrong about that. The disregard for the constitution crosses party lines and is about the only thing the 2 parties agree on.
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[tony]

A lot of you are dumb asses if you believe this healthcare bill is socialist, every single one of you. I guess you didnt realize the public option got thrown out last week, all that is left is an insurance mandate without price controls.. this is what McCain proposed during his election, the only difference is the flood gates didnt get opened between state lines. Was this legislation a step in the wrong direction? Yes, but because all of you hate Obama so much you still think the bill is socialist when in fact it is corporatist, a Republicans wet dream.. it does nothing to make healthcare any more affordable.

I agree with the general sentiment here but the particulars and how far off many of you are is the reason why the election process is shot to shit, too lazy to do some actual reading rather than be force fed by other idiots and regurgitate to others like you really know something.

[5speed]

I never said a thing about socialism. Neither do I take force fed info, I find info through all types of media. Whether its biased or unbiased, I take it for what it is and develop my own opinion. I don't have a hate for Obama either. One man got my vote ... Bob Barr lol

[BanginJimmy]

A lot of you are dumb asses if you believe this healthcare bill is socialist, every single one of you.

It isnt hardcore socialism, but it is still defined as socialism because the govt is still basicly running the insurance industry by mandating what they can charge, who they cover, and how much they are allowed to make.

It is basicly the same watered down scheme they are using with GM. They dont actually own the corporation, but they are running it through their mandates.




I guess you didnt realize the public option got thrown out last week, all that is left is an insurance mandate without price controls..

There are price controls in this bill. When Reid says insurance companies have to cover at 29y/o male based only on that piece of info, how is it not a price control? Granted, this WILL cause everyone's insurance rates to go up though.




this is what McCain proposed during his election, the only difference is the flood gates didnt get opened between state lines.

There is also no tort reform in this bill. There is, however, language that says a state could be punished if they enact laws that put any caps on malpractice damages.

I also dont belive you will find many proponents of McCain's healthcare ideas either.



Was this legislation a step in the wrong direction? Yes, but because all of you hate Obama so much you still think the bill is socialist when in fact it is corporatist,

You might want to look up the definition of corporatist and socialist again. If this bill isnt socialist, it isnt corporatist either.



a Republicans wet dream..

Not exactly, Republicans actually wanted a few things that would lower prices and increase competition. Funny how the GOP proposed what the dems said they wanted, yet the dems proposed what they say the GOP wanted.



It does nothing to make healthcare any more affordable.

We agree on something. I will take it a step further though. It will increase costs because of the added taxes and the additional burden on insurance companies and medical equipment companies. It will also lower the standards of care as docs will have a far higher work load.


I agree with the general sentiment here but the particulars and how far off many of you are is the reason why the election process is shot to shit, too lazy to do some actual reading rather than be force fed by other idiots and regurgitate to others like you really know something.

You might want to do some of the same. You have been preaching about the holy Obama for the last 2 years, yet all you can ever do is make excuses for his actions. You and Blender do nothing more than follow the Obama party line. I'm surprised one of you hasnt charged your little title to "choice and competition" yet.

[mmmmpsi]

A lot of you are dumb asses if you believe this healthcare bill is socialist, every single one of you. I guess you didnt realize the public option got thrown out last week, all that is left is an insurance mandate without price controls.. this is what McCain proposed during his election, the only difference is the flood gates didnt get opened between state lines. Was this legislation a step in the wrong direction? Yes, but because all of you hate Obama so much you still think the bill is socialist when in fact it is corporatist, a Republicans wet dream.. it does nothing to make healthcare any more affordable.

I agree with the general sentiment here but the particulars and how far off many of you are is the reason why the election process is shot to shit, too lazy to do some actual reading rather than be force fed by other idiots and regurgitate to others like you really know something.

Did you even read what's in the bill?? It's socialism when you tell private companies how much they can charge people for their services.. THAT IS SOCIALISM, period.

[mmmmpsi]

Tony ready this.. please..

Insurers would also be barred from charging higher premiums based on a person's gender or medical history.

And taxing companies who do not provide insurance to their employees.. This is BAD for businesses.. more costs so that U.S. companies find it harder and harder to compete with overseas markets..



Mark MY WORDS.. this is a REALLY bad idea.. and in the long run, it's going to be the next generation who pays dearly for this mistake..

[MachNU]

Yeah Tony, its so great, yet read this...

Democrat Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus said and I quote...

""Just for a second -- health care reform, whether you use a ten-year number or when you start in 2010 or start in 2014, wherever you start at, so it is still either $1.7 trillion or it's $2.5 trillion, depending on where you start…"

So this bill that say's its going to cost $871 billion, then less after reductions elsewhere, was false. Even from teh words of Max Baucus himself. So if what the populus said was untrue, guess how much else they keep saying is false.

Tony & Total Bender, you guys need to pull your heads out of your asses and think for yourself's something. Which like you always say do some reading, and realize how much bullshit you keep getting feed. Ever wonder why all these Gall-up polls you see, why Obama's approval rating is dropping faster and faster than any president in history.

[Luv2Boost]

I see another civil war coming soon...

^This^
Unfortunately, this is what needs to happen. The people have been content with letting the Fed gov't drive the nation, while they tune in to their sports games, and worry about what's at the mall. They will continue to let the gov't do what it wants until they are backed into a corner. I believe the people will continue to bitch and gripe about everything, but the real kicker will be when they enforce microchipping as mandatory, or try to take their guns, which is what is happening now. The bible predicted it, and I'm not religious; Nostradomus prophesized it, and it seemed far-fetched. Things are starting to appear as plausible for the 2012 D-Day.

It has been predicted that the Amero could be seen coming out as soon as July 2010. One step closer to NWO, as that currency will eliminate the dollar, as well as Canada & Mexico's currencies. Save some of your currency as momentos to give your grandkids, as it will be one last part of what was once a great nation.

[BanginJimmy]

^This^
Unfortunately, this is what needs to happen. The people have been content with letting the Fed gov't drive the nation, while they tune in to their sports games, and worry about what's at the mall. They will continue to let the gov't do what it wants until they are backed into a corner. I believe the people will continue to bitch and gripe about everything, but the real kicker will be when they enforce microchipping as mandatory, or try to take their guns, which is what is happening now. The bible predicted it, and I'm not religious; Nostradomus prophesized it, and it seemed far-fetched. Things are starting to appear as plausible for the 2012 D-Day.

It has been predicted that the Amero could be seen coming out as soon as July 2010. One step closer to NWO, as that currency will eliminate the dollar, as well as Canada & Mexico's currencies. Save some of your currency as momentos to give your grandkids, as it will be one last part of what was once a great nation.

Please quit posting in the section with your nonsense.

[MachNU]

Please quit posting in the section with your nonsense.

Sadly its not nonsense. It's more a bible thumping post, but far from nonsense. Alot of what she typed is true. Which tied in with the political views, does hold water. Now does it pretain to this thread at hand, no, but its still not something that can be branded as nonsense.

[SUBY_RUE]

^This^
Unfortunately, this is what needs to happen. The people have been content with letting the Fed gov't drive the nation, while they tune in to their sports games, and worry about what's at the mall. They will continue to let the gov't do what it wants until they are backed into a corner. I believe the people will continue to bitch and gripe about everything, but the real kicker will be when they enforce microchipping as mandatory, or try to take their guns, which is what is happening now. The bible predicted it, and I'm not religious; Nostradomus prophesized it, and it seemed far-fetched. Things are starting to appear as plausible for the 2012 D-Day.

It has been predicted that the Amero could be seen coming out as soon as July 2010. One step closer to NWO, as that currency will eliminate the dollar, as well as Canada & Mexico's currencies. Save some of your currency as momentos to give your grandkids, as it will be one last part of what was once a great nation.

I hope it doesnt come to it, but our gov needs a good reality trip. The people are going to get fed up with it one day, and all hell is going to break loose.

[BanginJimmy]

Sadly its not nonsense. It's more a bible thumping post, but far from nonsense. Alot of what she typed is true. Which tied in with the political views, does hold water. Now does it pretain to this thread at hand, no, but its still not something that can be branded as nonsense.

It is nonsense. While I agree that Congress wouldnt falter at the notion of many of the things said, it simply cannot happen here. The political fallout would be too severe. Maybe they try to get by with voluntary microchipping as a break in insurance rates, immediately someone will point out how a social security number wasnt meant to be a national ID number. The Amero, nice try, but the power brokers in NY, Chicago, and LA wouldnt allow it to happen. It would result in an immediate degradation of their wealth as the US and Canada are the only first world countries on the continent. Our wealth would be severely hurt by doing what the Europeans did with the Euro. It semi worked there because all of the countries that participated are first world with their own stable economies.

The civil war thing is just complete garbage. It simply cannot happen as their is no issue that could cement any portion of the country like states rights issues did back in the 1860's.

[tony]

It isnt hardcore socialism, but it is still defined as socialism because the govt is still basicly running the insurance industry by mandating what they can charge, who they cover, and how much they are allowed to make.



Please show me in the Bill where it states the government can dictate what can be charged. Under this bill those who cannot afford insurance have the option to purchase a subsidized plan, but the average working individual is subject to health insurance without any price controls in place.

Socialism would require the government to confiscate the assets of which you already own and distribute them amongst those who have less, nothing in this bill states that nor has any other legislation passed this year done that either so the whole Socialism thing holds as much weight as the birther arguments, made up rhetoric to wake up the ignorant who believe it.





You might want to look up the definition of corporatist and socialist again. If this bill isnt socialist, it isnt corporatist either.


Ahh, I'm sorry.. its like the definition of Conservative these days. Let me rephrase then, Neo-Corporatism, which paves the way for legislation for big business at the detriment of the citizens.. which is what this Bill is. Obviously the healthcare industry has law makers on both sides bought and paid for, so this healthcare bill is made by the insurance companies, for the insurance companies.

[tony]

Tony ready this.. please..

Insurers would also be barred from charging higher premiums based on a person's gender or medical history.

And taxing companies who do not provide insurance to their employees.. This is BAD for businesses.. more costs so that U.S. companies find it harder and harder to compete with overseas markets..



Mark MY WORDS.. this is a REALLY bad idea.. and in the long run, it's going to be the next generation who pays dearly for this mistake..

I appreciate the reply, I agree with the general sentiment but read between the lines. Higher premiums based on a person's gender and/or medical history, but think about what that does to the premiums of those with no health problems. Just like in car insurance when that person with 2 accidents effects your premium its no different here, and when I say there are no price controls I mean there is no limit as to what insurance companies can charge BUT you and I will be mandated to carry coverage, this is very lucrative for an insurance company when in fact.. health care should not be about profit.

Profits is of zero concern for me as it pertains to the health industry. If Aetna can't turn a profit I could care less, what my concern is can every day people get access to the healthcare that they need. And under the current system as well as this new plan, I have to say no. If profit is the problem, or the inability to turn one then yes, the government needs to step in and play a larger role in making healthcare viable for all citizens, rich and poor. It's simple stuff when you throw the need to make a profit out of the equation.

[MachNU]

It is nonsense. While I agree that Congress wouldnt falter at the notion of many of the things said, it simply cannot happen here. The political fallout would be too severe. Maybe they try to get by with voluntary microchipping as a break in insurance rates, immediately someone will point out how a social security number wasnt meant to be a national ID number. The Amero, nice try, but the power brokers in NY, Chicago, and LA wouldnt allow it to happen. It would result in an immediate degradation of their wealth as the US and Canada are the only first world countries on the continent. Our wealth would be severely hurt by doing what the Europeans did with the Euro. It semi worked there because all of the countries that participated are first world with their own stable economies.

The civil war thing is just complete garbage. It simply cannot happen as their is no issue that could cement any portion of the country like states rights issues did back in the 1860's.

Sorry forgot to add that, I was not referring to the microchipping. But to the religous and political ties with the way the nation/world are heading.

[MachNU]

Profits is of zero concern for me as it pertains to the health industry. If Aetna can't turn a profit I could care less, what my concern is can every day people get access to the healthcare that they need. And under the current system as well as this new plan, I have to say no. If profit is the problem, or the inability to turn one then yes, the government needs to step in and play a larger role in making healthcare viable for all citizens, rich and poor. It's simple stuff when you throw the need to make a profit out of the equation.

You really have lost your dam mind. First one. This plan is going to kill the elderly. Remember at a older age your more prone to accidents and medical problems. For something this will lead to spending more a month than SS and Medicare gives them...oh wait Medicare is getting cut badly. So now the elderly are going to spend the remainder of there SS and Retirement funds to pay for health/dental/eye insurance. Leaving VERY little to food, house bills, etc.

Second, if the government forces change on the profit margin of healthcare companies, what do you think thats going to do? Drive them out of business. If the insurance company has to lower there rates, and then give them out to many who are then going to use it, and the profit margin/over head gets REAL REAL thin...whats going to happen? Job cuts. Company cant afford extra people now. So to make up for the massive profit loss, there going to cut job bringing the unemployment up, and now unemployed people without the insurance they just had.

I cant see how you dont get this. This bill is going to bring this nation down. Be it in the 1st year or by the 4th. It is not going to make things better, its going to make things worse. Which if you can not see this, and for some ungodly reason you think otherwise then I am sorry, but you are just a blind lap dog to the democratic aggenda, one who cant think for themself.

[TIGERJC]

^This^
Unfortunately, this is what needs to happen. The people have been content with letting the Fed gov't drive the nation, while they tune in to their sports games, and worry about what's at the mall. They will continue to let the gov't do what it wants until they are backed into a corner. I believe the people will continue to bitch and gripe about everything, but the real kicker will be when they enforce microchipping as mandatory, or try to take their guns, which is what is happening now. The bible predicted it, and I'm not religious; Nostradomus prophesized it, and it seemed far-fetched. Things are starting to appear as plausible for the 2012 D-Day.

It has been predicted that the Amero could be seen coming out as soon as July 2010. One step closer to NWO, as that currency will eliminate the dollar, as well as Canada & Mexico's currencies. Save some of your currency as momentos to give your grandkids, as it will be one last part of what was once a great nation.

Some ppl shouldn't have guns, and you're one of them

[leobond001]

Tony ready this.. please..

Insurers would also be barred from charging higher premiums based on a person's gender or medical history.

And taxing companies who do not provide insurance to their employees.. This is BAD for businesses.. more costs so that U.S. companies find it harder and harder to compete with overseas markets..



Mark MY WORDS.. this is a REALLY bad idea.. and in the long run, it's going to be the next generation who pays dearly for this mistake..

and is this a bad thing? Insurance costs are ridiculas. And you still have to pay your split half after that, which is still high

[leobond001]

You really have lost your dam mind. First one. This plan is going to kill the elderly. Remember at a older age your more prone to accidents and medical problems. For something this will lead to spending more a month than SS and Medicare gives them...oh wait Medicare is getting cut badly. So now the elderly are going to spend the remainder of there SS and Retirement funds to pay for health/dental/eye insurance. Leaving VERY little to food, house bills, etc.

Second, if the government forces change on the profit margin of healthcare companies, what do you think thats going to do? Drive them out of business. If the insurance company has to lower there rates, and then give them out to many who are then going to use it, and the profit margin/over head gets REAL REAL thin...whats going to happen? Job cuts. Company cant afford extra people now. So to make up for the massive profit loss, there going to cut job bringing the unemployment up, and now unemployed people without the insurance they just had.



I cant see how you dont get this. This bill is going to bring this nation down. Be it in the 1st year or by the 4th. It is not going to make things better, its going to make things worse. Which if you can not see this, and for some ungodly reason you think otherwise then I am sorry, but you are just a blind lap dog to the democratic aggenda, one who cant think for themself.

it wont if the exec's stop taking those 6 digits salaries

[zspeed24]

Why shouldn't those execs take 6 figure salaries?

[tony]

You really have lost your dam mind. First one. This plan is going to kill the elderly. Remember at a older age your more prone to accidents and medical problems. For something this will lead to spending more a month than SS and Medicare gives them...oh wait Medicare is getting cut badly. So now the elderly are going to spend the remainder of there SS and Retirement funds to pay for health/dental/eye insurance. Leaving VERY little to food, house bills, etc.

Second, if the government forces change on the profit margin of healthcare companies, what do you think thats going to do? Drive them out of business. If the insurance company has to lower there rates, and then give them out to many who are then going to use it, and the profit margin/over head gets REAL REAL thin...whats going to happen? Job cuts. Company cant afford extra people now. So to make up for the massive profit loss, there going to cut job bringing the unemployment up, and now unemployed people without the insurance they just had.

I cant see how you dont get this. This bill is going to bring this nation down. Be it in the 1st year or by the 4th. It is not going to make things better, its going to make things worse. Which if you can not see this, and for some ungodly reason you think otherwise then I am sorry, but you are just a blind lap dog to the democratic aggenda, one who cant think for themself.

Under the original proposal Medicare was going to be extended to cover those who are 55 or older, lowered 10 years from the current requirement taking those individual off of the Insurance Companies expenses.

Are you reading my posts? We are agreeance that this Bill is terrible for the country, our disagreement is why it will do so. You feel its because its "Socialist" but again, this Bill wasn't created to benefit the people it was a half ass step to begin with then lobbyists got to insert their agenda.

[MachNU]

Under the original proposal Medicare was going to be extended to cover those who are 55 or older, lowered 10 years from the current requirement taking those individual off of the Insurance Companies expenses.

Are you reading my posts? We are agreeance that this Bill is terrible for the country, our disagreement is why it will do so. You feel its because its "Socialist" but again, this Bill wasn't created to benefit the people it was a half ass step to begin with then lobbyists got to insert their agenda.

Okay maybe I am just reading your post wrong. I was under the impression from your post that you where for this bill! :goodjob:

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it's insurance reform which leaves our fate in the hands of more corrupt CEO's, bye bye america.