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HatchHero
12-24-2009, 03:28 AM
1. Check you credit report. see what the hell you got on there. you get a free one every year

2. Get a bank account. checking and savings. it shows stability

3.Get a credit card while you are in school. credit card company's love kids in college because they think they are dumb and they can get debt quicker or have parents that will bail them out.

4.Get a department store card or gas card. not too many. just one

5. Get an installment loan. (car, mortgage, personal)

6. When you get the credit card make sure you pay the bill in full!! only charge 30% of the cards limit AND PAY IT OFF

7. Try a secured credit card. PROS you deposit money in a acct. CONS most of the time these have high ass app and yearly fees. go to a credit union if your doing this.

8. when you get a credit card make sure you use it. if there is no transactions on the card ever IT WILL BE CLOSED.

9. Make sure whatever card you get reports to all three credit bureaus.

10. If you already have debt, you need to start paying down it. setup a payment plan give what you can afford. if you can only do 25 buxs well then you can only do 25 buxs and in the long run it will add up. start with the largest debt first.

11. Lenders want to see to can handle credit. if you have no credit your about as worse as having banged up credit. get low balance CC

12. keep your identity secret:ninja: meaning don't buy from a company that doesn't have a good privacy policy. Or you don't trust.


I really hope this might help some of you out there. If you have bad credit and trying to repair it; there are credit repair companies out there that will help and I'm sure they are making a killing on this. Check you credit report and if you see anything wrong with it you have a right to dispute it in a professional matter. Now if you know that you didn't pay that phone bill or behind on your auto loan... well.. you know what you gotta do. also you can consolidate all your debt into one payment.

40th GT
12-24-2009, 03:37 AM
Thanks man. I tried to get a cell phone plan under my own name but couldn't because I have no credit. (failsauce)
And I was denied all the times that I've applied for credit cards, gas cards, and department store cards. I'm going to chill out for a while so I don't accrue too many inquiries, and then take out a small student loan.

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 03:57 AM
no problem. if your having trouble getting a CC than try the secured cc from a credit union.

JennB
12-24-2009, 06:47 AM
1. Check you credit report. see what the hell you got on there. you get a free one every year



GA residents are lucky. We actually get two more free in addition to the one per agency required by federal law. There is no excuse not to check it in GA since we get so many for free.

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 03:30 PM
GA residents are lucky. We actually get two more free in addition to the one per agency required by federal law. There is no excuse not to check it in GA since we get so many for free.



didnt know that. thanks for the input:goodjob:

BanginJimmy
12-24-2009, 04:03 PM
11. Lenders want to see to can handle credit. if you have no credit your about as worse as having banged up credit. get low balance CC


This is not correct. You can go through life just fine with no credit at all. Yes, you usually have to pay security deposits for things like cell phones and utilities, but thats really no big deal if you have no debt and you can afford whatever service you are planning to use.

punkr6
12-24-2009, 04:04 PM
This is not correct. You can go through life just fine with no credit at all. Yes, you usually have to pay security deposits for things like cell phones and utilities, but thats really no big deal if you have no debt and you can afford whatever service you are planning to use.

THIS....

umairejaz
12-24-2009, 04:16 PM
^If its there why not use it. There are many advantages to having strong credit.

punkr6
12-24-2009, 04:20 PM
I don't use credit for anything, I pay cash and I have no payments. I even use a pre paid phone, and that saves me hundreds a year, Credit gets a lot of people in trouble....

punkr6
12-24-2009, 04:21 PM
^If its there why not use it. There are many advantages to having strong credit.

you don't need to get in debt to have good credit, ever heard of Dave Ramsey ?

umairejaz
12-24-2009, 04:21 PM
^I also do the same, but I also have great credit. I keep a tab on my income vs spending.

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 05:08 PM
This is not correct. You can go through life just fine with no credit at all. Yes, you usually have to pay security deposits for things like cell phones and utilities, but thats really no big deal if you have no debt and you can afford whatever service you are planning to use.



yeah if you pay cash for everything. i dont know many people that can pay cash for a house, car, college, you must have millions. Most people dont have this kind of money so if you have strong credibility and lenders will lend you money...why not?

punkr6
12-24-2009, 05:11 PM
yeah if you pay cash for everything. i dont know many people that can pay cash for a house, car, college, you must have millions. Most people dont have this kind of money so if you have strong credibility and lenders will lend you money...why not?

if you don't have any debt, and a good bit in the bank, you can get a house loan without all this ( bad credit ) you speak of....

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 05:14 PM
This is not correct. You can go through life just fine with no credit at all. Yes, you usually have to pay security deposits for things like cell phones and utilities, but thats really no big deal if you have no debt and you can afford whatever service you are planning to use.



sorry man u really dont make sense at all. we are talking about revolving accounts here bro not cell phones and utilities. again back then maybe credit wasnt to important but now KEY WORD NOW its a diiferent story homie. sorry i like to got thru life with cars, homes and an education, and all these thing require a loan of some sort unless your bill gates but if im not mistaken he took out loans to lol maybe i dont know

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 05:21 PM
if you don't have any debt, and a good bit in the bank, you can get a house loan without all this ( bad credit ) you speak of....

i dont understand what your saying? If you have no debt and keeping up with all your payments, have revolving accounts, have 3% down. yeah your credit should be way above 620 so... yes you can get a home loan. go try and see if a lender will give you a home loan with under a 620 fico and you got money in the bank and see what happens you will be jumpin thru hoops to get that loan.And if you do get it let me know because i got two clients that what to buy but cant cuz of credit. Im a mortgage broker i dont care about your money the real question is are you credible enough to pay back what lenders LOAN YOU.

BanginJimmy
12-24-2009, 06:07 PM
sorry man u really dont make sense at all. we are talking about revolving accounts here bro not cell phones and utilities. again back then maybe credit wasnt to important but now KEY WORD NOW its a diiferent story homie. sorry i like to got thru life with cars, homes and an education, and all these thing require a loan of some sort unless your bill gates but if im not mistaken he took out loans to lol maybe i dont know

Most banks will give you a home mortgage if you dont have any credit history. It simply requires them to do the underwriting with more than a credit report. Expect it to take 6+ months to get approved right now also because banks are wary. To do this, you will need a solid source of validated income, a good down payment (25%+), and solid history with your bank of choice.

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Most banks will give you a home mortgage if you dont have any credit history. It simply requires them to do the underwriting with more than a credit report. Expect it to take 6+ months to get approved right now also because banks are wary. To do this, you will need a solid source of validated income, a good down payment (25%+), and solid history with your bank of choice.


i agree with you buddy but 6 mo???? 25% down???? who has that unless you sold a home or won the lotto thats alot of GD money

Vteckidd
12-24-2009, 06:19 PM
I don't use credit for anything, I pay cash and I have no payments. I even use a pre paid phone, and that saves me hundreds a year, Credit gets a lot of people in trouble....

You should use "others peoples money" in the right situations if you are responsible.

Why spend $2000 on a tv when you can spend $2280 over 2 years (assuming 7% interest). Why tie your liquidity up in one shot.

Credit is perfectly fine you just have to know how to use it which most people don't(including me at 18)

Vteckidd
12-24-2009, 06:22 PM
I would rather have credit it makes loans easier sorry you guys stop listenig to Dave Ramsey and Clark Howard lol

credit isn't bad it's misused.

Live within your means and don't pay more than 10% interest apr

HatchHero
12-24-2009, 06:31 PM
THANK YOU MIKE!!!!!!:i never even heard of dave ramsey. i guess there is a reason for that. this session in now over! cred and rep is all you got in this world guys take advantage of it!!:surrender:surrender

SmackedInATL
12-25-2009, 09:48 AM
^^^^Spoken like someone who will be broke all their life. Ask anyone who is wealthy, whats the easiest way to build wealth?

"Get out of debt and stay out of debt." Its really quite simple.

HatchHero
12-25-2009, 11:20 AM
^^^^Spoken like someone who will be broke all their life. Ask anyone who is wealthy, whats the easiest way to build wealth?

"Get out of debt and stay out of debt." Its really quite simple.


HMM WRONG BUDDY. I HAVE THREE CARS AND I BIKE A BIG ASS HOME IN SUWANEE AN EDUCATION AND THE ONLY THING I OWE ON IS THE HOME. SORRY PAL BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD DOESNT HAVE MILLIONS LIKE YOU BUT I DOUBT YOUR WEALTHY. most wealthy people in world most likely invested money loaned to them unless your fucking rich pal. Im sorry man im not trying to be arrogent but you talking to me like Im stupid. Do some research. GET out of debt and stay out of debt doesnt make you wealthy. if that was true id be rich. plz do some research before saying stuff like that becuse it doesnt make sense. im not talking about being wealthy. im talking about being credible not wealthy big difference buddie

punkr6
12-25-2009, 03:50 PM
You should use "others peoples money" in the right situations if you are responsible.

Why spend $2000 on a tv when you can spend $2280 over 2 years (assuming 7% interest). Why tie your liquidity up in one shot.

Credit is perfectly fine you just have to know how to use it which most people don't(including me at 18)

lol, so you wanna throw away $280 bucks and have a payment every month for two years, for a fucking tv no less. Go ahead and do that, I'll pay cash for mine. No payments and more money for me.

40th GT
12-26-2009, 01:29 AM
This is not correct. You can go through life just fine with no credit at all. Yes, you usually have to pay security deposits for things like cell phones and utilities, but thats really no big deal if you have no debt and you can afford whatever service you are planning to use.
As for the cell phones, are you talking about prepaid plans? Because how do you explain the fact that I couldn't get a plan because of my lack of credit?
I even offered to put down a deposit but they still denied me.

I guess it does depend on the carrier though. I tried to get a t-mobile plan, if that matters.

punkr6
12-26-2009, 01:32 AM
Are you talking about prepaid plans? Because how do you explain the fact that I couldn't get a plan because of my lack of credit?

I guess it does depend on the carrier though. I tried to get a t-mobile plan, if that matters.

did they offer you a plan with a deposit ? do you have bad credit ?

40th GT
12-26-2009, 02:24 AM
did they offer you a plan with a deposit ? do you have bad credit ?
Nope, wouldn't even take a deposit.
And I have no credit. :no:

punkr6
12-26-2009, 09:41 AM
Nope, wouldn't even take a deposit.
And I have no credit. :no:

somethings up then, they should have gave you a plan with a deposit...

Vteckidd
12-26-2009, 10:22 AM
lol, so you wanna throw away $280 bucks and have a payment every month for two years, for a fucking tv no less. Go ahead and do that, I'll pay cash for mine. No payments and more money for me.

It's a general statement. But yes what happens when a opportunity arrises I'm those 2 years to invest I'm something and you don't have the money cause you bought your tv?

By buying in cash you save $280 over 2 years or $11 a month. I'd rather pay an extra $11 a month, build credit, and keep my cash to me to spend on somethig worthwhile

this is common sense. You use opm "other peoples money" as long as the interest rate is low.

I bought my citizen watch from belk 6 months ago. It was $700, but if I opened a credit account with them I would get 55% off. So I did it. I was approved and got my watch for a little over $350 with tax. First bill for the credit card I noticed the interest rate was 27%. if I paid the minimum payment I think the watch would have cost me a little over $1000. That was retarded so I paid it off right then. Most people would just pay the $12 minimum balance and that's wrong.

This movement about staying completely out of debt and convincing people credit is bad is retarded and wrong. Just be smart enough to know how to use it.

punkr6
12-26-2009, 10:32 AM
It's a general statement. But yes what happens when a opportunity arrises I'm those 2 years to invest I'm something and you don't have the money cause you bought your tv?

By buying in cash you save $280 over 2 years or $11 a month. I'd rather pay an extra $11 a month, build credit, and keep my cash to me to spend on somethig worthwhile

this is common sense. You use opm "other peoples money" as long as the interest rate is low.

I bought my citizen watch from belk 6 months ago. It was $700, but if I opened a credit account with them I would get 55% off. So I did it. I was approved and got my watch for a little over $350 with tax. First bill for the credit card I noticed the interest rate was 27%. if I paid the minimum payment I think the watch would have cost me a little over $1000. That was retarded so I paid it off right then. Most people would just pay the $12 minimum balance and that's wrong.

This movement about staying completely out of debt and convincing people credit is bad is retarded and wrong. Just be smart enough to know how to use it.

the only thing anyone should finance is a house and no more then 15 years, I have nothing against a good credit score and yes you can save some money on some things when you open a new account ect. but thats just a hook to get you on a credit plan that most people never pay off.

I haven't financed anything seince 2000 and its been the best move of my life, There is nothing worse then being in debt, and having payments every month.

Vteckidd
12-26-2009, 11:15 AM
Then you didn't use it right sorry man not being a dick but you obviously don't have the discipline or money to stay ahead.

I never charge anything I couldn't pay cash for anyway. What I usually do is set aside that money until the cc is paid off. I never pay a minimum balance I always pay $200-300 at the minimum sometimes more depending on the balance.

15 years with no interest on a $250000 home mortgage alone is $1400 that's before taxes insurance home owners association fees utilities etc. That's with 0 down. I don't know many people getting 15 year mortgages with 0 down and can afford that sorry.

I disagree with you and almost any successful business person will too. Use opm whenever possible as long as it's a reasonable interest rate and you don't live outside you means.

Don't be $40000 in debt if you make $60000 a year.

Vteckidd
12-26-2009, 11:20 AM
^^^^Spoken like someone who will be broke all their life. Ask anyone who is wealthy, whats the easiest way to build wealth?

"Get out of debt and stay out of debt." Its really quite simple.

That's distorted. They are talkng to most middle income families living way beyond their means. When your debt to income ratio is 2:1 of course getting out of debt is what you want it frees up more money.

But ask any successful business person they will tell you that using credit wisely is the way to go.

Problem is %90 of America doesn't know how to use it

punkr6
12-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Then you didn't use it right sorry man not being a dick but you obviously don't have the discipline or money to stay ahead.

I never charge anything I couldn't pay cash for anyway. What I usually do is set aside that money until the cc is paid off. I never pay a minimum balance I always pay $200-300 at the minimum sometimes more depending on the balance.

15 years with no interest on a $250000 home mortgage alone is $1400 that's before taxes insurance home owners association fees utilities etc. That's with 0 down. I don't know many people getting 15 year mortgages with 0 down and can afford that sorry.

I disagree with you and almost any successful business person will too. Use opm whenever possible as long as it's a reasonable interest rate and you don't live outside you means.

Don't be $40000 in debt if you make $60000 a year.

so your saying because i pay cash for everything, I didn't use it right..lol that makes no sense. I pay cash because I don't want payments and I have enough discipline to save before hand.

If you can't afford a 15 year home loan, you bought to much house...

HatchHero
12-26-2009, 11:24 AM
somethings up then, they should have gave you a plan with a deposit...


yeah something up he has no credit

punkr6
12-26-2009, 11:25 AM
yeah something up he has no credit

even with no credit, as long as it's not bad credit, he should have been given the choice of a deposit. hell I have friends with terrible credit and they just had to put a deposit down...

Vteckidd
12-26-2009, 11:31 AM
No I'm saying if you couldn't afford to make the necessary payments and it was such a burden that now you pay cash youused it wrong.

I charge $15000-20000 on my business credit card for product which has a 5% apr.

If I paid cash I would tie up my liquidity and have to live off credit all for what ? $750? ($15000*1.05). That if I take a year to pay it off. I usually pay it off in 2-3 months.

But the difference is now I have a record and get extended lines of credit , paying cash for everything good luck with financing.

I guess you guys think if you have enough cash you can get financing with a big enough down payment. That's just dumb IMO. The median family income is $55000 a year. After mortgage, car payment, insurance, groceries , utilities, etc there isn't much left over. So you can forget a $20000-30000 down payment on a house or $10000-15000 down on a car etc.

Not going to happen.

Instead if they live smartly on a budget and don't go crazy they can pay a little interest and finance what they want and have extra money to put into other assets.

This notion of never using credit is wrong. Sorry fellas

Vteckidd
12-26-2009, 11:33 AM
Also banks make money off interest. If you stop paying interest and everyone pays cash kiss banks goodbye or say hello to even higher interest rates

HatchHero
12-26-2009, 11:33 AM
. people go 30yr to get the payment low as possible. its obvious you dont play with the home ownership market. i have a 30yr home loan bought the house 2 yrs ago 198000 i now owe 189000 but my house is worth 209000. THATS 20000 equity ive built in 2 yrs. SUWANEE IS GOOD AREA. PROPERTY TAX IS HIGH BUT ITS SAFE AND SCHOOLS THERE IS AWESOME. IF A PLAN TO SELL THE HOME WITHIN THE NEXT 5YRS where do you think all that equity goes??? sooo...

HatchHero
12-26-2009, 11:34 AM
I guess these people are millionaires mike

punkr6
12-26-2009, 11:36 AM
No I'm saying if you couldn't afford to make the necessary payments and it was such a burden that now you pay cash youused it wrong.

I charge $15000-20000 on my business credit card for product which has a 5% apr.

If I paid cash I would tie up my liquidity and have to live off credit all for what ? $750? ($15000*1.05). That if I take a year to pay it off. I usually pay it off in 2-3 months.

But the difference is now I have a record and get extended lines of credit , paying cash for everything good luck with financing.

I guess you guys think if you have enough cash you can get financing with a big enough down payment. That's just dumb IMO. The median family income is $55000 a year. After mortgage, car payment, insurance, groceries , utilities, etc there isn't much left over. So you can forget a $20000-30000 down payment on a house or $10000-15000 down on a car etc.

Not going to happen.

Instead if they live smartly on a budget and don't go crazy they can pay a little interest and finance what they want and have extra money to put into other assets.

This notion of never using credit is wrong. Sorry fellas

were obviously not going to agree, and I don't wanna get into a pissing match with anyone, so I'm gonna leave on this note.....Good Day and God Bless...

HatchHero
12-26-2009, 11:42 AM
Im obliviously trying to help people on this site build themselves so they wont struggle in life and get the things they want. IM trying to steer these people in the right direction so they can get loans stimulate the economy and get us out of this recession. do you understand? IT starts with gettin loans and paying them back. SMACKEDINATL has no right talking sh!t like that. i almost positive he is not living the high life. maybe on drugs but the american dream. simply retarded

punkr6
12-26-2009, 11:44 AM
thats cool man just dont go around saying Im living a broke life when Im not and Im obliviously trying to help people on this site build themselves so they wont struggle in life and get the things they want. IM trying to steer these people in the right direction so they can get loans stimulate the economy and get us out of this recession. do you understand? IT starts with gettin loans and paying them back

do your thing bro.

Vteckidd
12-26-2009, 12:04 PM
were obviously not going to agree, and I don't wanna get into a pissing match with anyone, so I'm gonna leave on this note.....Good Day and God Bless...

Different things work for different people. I use what little credit I have as best as possible. I'm $237 In debt right now lol.

When I was 18 I got 3 credit cards. $1000,1500,1800. I was a drunk and had no job and a full time student. I racked up huge bills and just didn't think it was a big deal to never pay them. I defaulted on all of them and it took me 10 years to clear it all up.

I never knew how much it would haunt me as bad as it has. But luckily I negotiated with the debt holders and paid them off and got it off my credit report. I went from a 550 credit score to a 706. I got a secured credit card 2 years ago and that really helped.

Now I have a capital one credit card with $1000 limit and a chase manhattan card with $3000. I also have a business line of credit.

All Xmas gifts I paid cash, most car mods are paid in cash etc

so I've been on both side ls of the aisle

TheChosenOne
12-26-2009, 01:18 PM
YO! Omar hit it on the head with this thread! I have been panicking, trying to figure out ways to increase my "good credit" without running the risk of stacking up more "bad credit". All the advice and info in this thread is what I've been looking for! Real talk. My dad dipped out, and my mom has a "hands off" approach, so this "Money Management/Credit Info" means the world to me. It can be overwhelming sometimes, but when it's laid out in front of me, with an example from a peer, it seems much more doable. :D:goodjob::boobies::crazy:

GREAT INFO! IA NEEDS MORE OF THIS!!

HatchHero
12-26-2009, 01:24 PM
YO! Omar hit it on the head with this thread! I have been panicking, trying to figure out ways to increase my "good credit" without running the risk of stacking up more "bad credit". All the advice and info in this thread is what I've been looking for! Real talk. My dad dipped out, and my mom has a "hands off" approach, so this "Money Management/Credit Info" means the world to me. It can be overwhelming sometimes, but when it's laid out in front of me, with an example from a peer, it seems much more doable. :D:goodjob::boobies::crazy:

GREAT INFO! IA NEEDS MORE OF THIS!!




thanks homie

civicturbo10
12-26-2009, 02:04 PM
Other plus for credit -

Rewards credit cards with cash back / points. You could probably leave a revolving $50 balance to help build up credit. I usually pay it off but i reap the rewards of cash back and so do my friends. I have it setup where i just pay off once a week so i never have to worry about late payments. With online banking so mature, i can set payments and forget about it and i save on stamps, have no finance charges, etc. Paying everything with cash is great but why not push it through a cash rewards card and pay it off weekly, free money.

Buy stuff online. Gives better protection that if you had paid with cash. You can file disputes, chargebacks etc. Your only liable for $50 if stolen / have fraudulent activity. Debit cards sux b/c they have no protection for consumers. If someone gets those debit card numbers and pin GL getting back the money from the bank...

Automatic drafting. - Alot of people like to use automatic drafting with their checking account. Let's say you have a gym membership you pay for by allowing the Health club auto draft every month. Gym goes belly up and they continue to auto draft. You think your bank is going to help you get your money back from drafting longer than they should? Highly doubt that. There going to tell you go battle it out with the health club. But how, they have gone belly up and continue to draft.... If you used a credit card for auto payment then at least you can call up your credit card to help assist in getting some of the money back and cut off the health club at the nipple, lol. Prob. a bad example but the point is if your going to auto pay, credit is a better option, IMHO.

Warranty - Ever had a dispute with a retailer. By using a credit card to make the purchase you grant your self more protection than if you had paid with cash. Let's say you bought an electronic item and it goes bad and the retailer refuses an exchange / refund. In some cases i have heard of credit cards warranting an item beyond the manufactures (maybe someone can chime in to verify). By using a credit card you have a much better chance to make it happen (calling credit card company to dispute, chargebacks etc). Pay with cash, GL receiving any funds back.

Don't get me wrong cash is still King. Credit just compliments it very well, almost to the point you can't live w/o it.

HatchHero
12-26-2009, 07:16 PM
good input

ctzfinest18
12-26-2009, 10:45 PM
would u happen to kno of any reliable companies that do debt consolidation cause i have been looking into this but i dont kno what companie would really help me u kno

HatchHero
12-27-2009, 02:30 PM
would u happen to kno of any reliable companies that do debt consolidation cause i have been looking into this but i dont kno what companie would really help me u kno



Try Georgia debt relief. www.ChristianDebtConsolidators.net check the site and call them and see what they can do for you. shop around.

bigdare23
12-27-2009, 02:32 PM
OP post is full of win. reps

HatchHero
12-27-2009, 02:34 PM
OP post is full of win. reps


thanks

jR1_kS14
12-27-2009, 02:39 PM
go to the bank

take a $500-$1000 loan

pay minimum every month until it is paid off.

HatchHero
12-27-2009, 02:41 PM
go to the bank

take a $500-$1000 loan

pay minimum every month until it is paid off.


what bank does loans that small?

Supraboy87T
12-27-2009, 03:24 PM
Great info here guys. Best way to build credit is small loan or credit card. I started with a $1500 loan from my bank and then paid that back. DON'T pay min payment pay a little more than min

ctzfinest18
12-27-2009, 07:44 PM
Try Georgia debt relief. www.ChristianDebtConsolidators.net (http://www.ChristianDebtConsolidators.net) check the site and call them and see what they can do for you. shop around.


reps 4 u im def lookin into that

HatchHero
12-27-2009, 08:08 PM
reps 4 u im def lookin into that



no problem

HatchHero
12-28-2009, 11:51 AM
i need to sticky this

HatchHero
01-04-2010, 10:54 AM
ttt

FasTech
01-04-2010, 11:52 AM
The way I look at it, is just spend your money upfront in full without using any plastic, etc. I have 0% credit but I really don't need it right now. I have a phone under MY name, cars, etc. One day I will get a loan and go from there but I WILL NEVER get a credit card. Seen too many people around me get dug down in debit with those things.

HatchHero
01-04-2010, 12:10 PM
The way I look at it, is just spend your money upfront in full without using any plastic, etc. I have 0% credit but I really don't need it right now. I have a phone under MY name, cars, etc. One day I will get a loan and go from there but I WILL NEVER get a credit card. Seen too many people around me get dug down in debit with those things.


thats because they dont know how to use it.. let me know when you wanna buy that home!!:goodjob:

HatchHero
01-20-2010, 11:17 AM
ttt