Bigdare23 new motor

[bigdare23]

I just wanted to share my new motor with IA. I had this motor installed for about 4-5months now. I'm just now sharing this with IA because I wanted to make sure I was long gone (moved) before I put specs of my motor out (Theft rate in Atlanta is increasing like everyday LOL). Anyways...

The original motor was


-OBD0 B16
-LSD Y1
-PW0 ECU
-Skunk2 intake manifold (1st gen) (no coolant lines running to the manifold)
-Hondata intake manifold gasket
-CTR intake cam
-B16 exhaust cam
-Greddy 4-2-1 header (for 99 Si)
-AEM fuel rail (I'm a ricer so I wanted a red fuel rail LOL)
-AEM CAI (2in)
-Skunk2 catback
-Test pipe
-unorthodox race crank pulley
With this setup, I put down 156hp/11?tq (Mainstream can verify)

Next, I changed some stuff with this setup
-installed CTR exhaust cam
-swapped out the Skunk2 catback with a Buddyclub spec II
-installed Toda cam gears (kept them at 0,0)
-swapped out the AEM CAI (2in) with an AEM EF hybrid CAI (2.5in)
-added an Bpi Velocity Stack to my CAI
-Converted to OBD1 and used a chipped p28 with a GSR map

The results were the following:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/Dyno.jpg

176hp/117tq (Dyno at Topspeed, JDMJAYDC2 and Bus Driver J can vouch).

That setup was pretty fun. The problem was it was PEAKY. At 5.5k I made 100hp and peaked at 176hp at 8.2k (76hp gain in in 2700rpms LOL), so every time I shifted it fell flat on it face. With this motor and it being in a 2080lb chassis (CRX), I made easily work of most other b16s, I shocked a few 1.8L, but I could not hang with the 2.0+ crew. So it was time for an upgrade. (Cont'd next post)

[bigdare23]

I considered an h22, but I didn't want to sacrifice oil pan or hood clearance. Then I caught a great deal on a "knocking" b20 on IA for $100 (after taking it apart, it appeared perfected). So that begin my b20vtec "budget" build.


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00499.jpg


bye bye ls head
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00500.jpg


hello 84x89mm
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00501.jpg

Since this was a budget build I decided not to go forged everything. I used stock rods (with ARP hardware) and decide to bump the compression slightly with RS machine pistons. The purpose of this build is to make TORQUE since my b16 lacked it. So I slightly overbored the blocked over to 84.5mm

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00491.jpg

Since reliable was my goal, I wanted to help support the block more. So I added a properly installed (pressure in then machined) KMS block guard (please take the block guard debate some where else), properly installed KMS girdle (got the mains aligned honed), and ARP main studs for a GSR.

You can see some of the crap here
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00489.jpg

The results were the following:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/b20a.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/b20b.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/b20c.jpg

:goodjob:

(Before I get asked who did my machine work, it was done by Larry Smith Automotive Machine Shop in Rome. Also a member on IA that works for a respectable performance shop in Atlanta assembled it for me. I'll leave his screenname out to prevent from getting his inbox flooded LOL)

[NoWAyItZTOMmY]

saved for viewing

[bigdare23]

Since this was a "budget" build, I decided headwork was out of the question :( (even though I would of loved a RLZ head on it). So after looking on IA for weeks, I found a killer deal on a b16 head (minus cams and dizzy) for $125, so I picked it up :D. Since I couldn't afford headwork, I decided to help the head out sightly by adding Underground Racing (old school) flat face valves, and KMS dual valve springs and titanium retainers.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00633.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00634.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00635.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG00636.jpg

Assembled
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/Dare2002a.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/Dare2004a.jpg

To put the head on the block, I used a Full-Race LS-VTEC kit, and a 84.5mm .30 Cometic LS/VTEC head gasket.


The results were an old, throwback looking, that's just a raggly obd0 b16 looking, semi build b20vtec ;)
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/Dare3a.jpg

[Scotsman]

that block looks familar...........

[bigdare23]

I didn't say anything about cams yet.

So being knowledgeable to the game and yet being a noob at the same time. I screwed up big time when it came to cams. I order a set of Underground Racing cams and they ended up having this large ass lift (12.?mm) and long as duration (3??). With cams that large you need to check clearances and can't just "dropped them in". Then with duration that long, and stiff valve springs, you need at least an OEM timing belt (or better). So with that being said, the motor was installing. The car cranked up with no problem, but idle bad as hell (sounded like a v8). I decided to take it home, and then take it to Scotty in the morning. To bad the car didn't make it there. Actually 8miles later, the timing belt did a banana peel (thank you timing belt from a gasket kit :2up:) and I was left broke down on 400. The results were BENDING EVERY DAMN VALVE IN THE HEAD :cry: (atleast during those 8 miles, the car ran like a champ whiled I babied it :D).

So luckily, I didn't use many parts off of my old b16. So my homie, took the head off of the b16, swapped my valve train over (minus the cams), and installed my ctr cams. BAM I was back in the game with slightly lower compression, and a least aggressive set of cams. After a visit with Scotty, the results where the following:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/DarylB20VtecCRX.jpg

206hp/156tq maxing out stock injectors and bumping the fuel pressure up :D

[KevinT707]

Interesting so far *thumbs up*

[MongolPup]

Interesting so far *thumbs up*

Agreed.

[bigdare23]

Specs

Head-B16
Block-B20b
-KMS dual valve springs
-KMS titanium retainers
-Hondata intake manifold gasket
-Skunk2 intake manifold (1st gen)
-70mm Omni throttle body (port match to intake manifold)
-AEM fuel rail
-B&M fuel pressure regulator
-stock injectors
-AEM hybrid CAI
-Bpi Velocity Stack
-Hytech replica header (bottom runners damn near crushed)
-CTR cams
-Toda camgears (0,0)
-Unorthodox race crank pulley
-ITR replica pistons 84.5mm
-Stock rods with ARP rod bolts
-KMS block guard
-KMS girdle
-APR main studs

I maybe forgetting a few things :thinking:

[Thundercat]

bump bump bump.subscribed

[Revmaynard]

I think Lil' Dare is gay but his build is nice. :D

[bigdare23]

future mods

-2.5in exhaust (Went with an ebay exhaust since most EF exhaust are 2.25in and the "performance" exhaust are over $500. Also, where I'm at I couldn't find a decent muffler that mandrel bend)
-new header (Went with a JDM DC 4-1. Race header+EF Chassis+Daily Driven=Fail, so I decided not to throw money down the drain with a $400replica or $800 real header)
-cams (I trying to catch a deal on a stage 2 set of cams. Looking at Buddyclub specIV, S2S2, or Blox Bs)
-injectors (I got DSM bluetop 450cc so I won't have to delete my resistor box)
-install new fuel pump (Got a walbro 255lph high pressure pump that needs to install)
-new tune (After getting everything I want installed, my goal is to get tuned my RLZ. I'm currently tuned on Chrome, but I plan to make the switch to e-c-tune since I heard good things about it)

I look at it like this. I'm loosing power by installing an exhaust, and not using a "race" header. But I should gain power, by installing a header without dented runners, much better cams, being able to adjust fuel properly. Hopefully I'll see 220whp/160tq by the time I'm done with it, if not, so be it. It's still fun as hell in a 2000lb car!

[Grimm Reeper]

Awwwww that's so cute :D

[bigdare23]

Awwwww that's so cute :D

What cute? Seeing CRXs taillights? I agree :D

[Bus Driver J]

Damn, thats a nice build. Thats crazy about the timing belt only lasting 8 miles. What exactly happened to it? Id like to see pics of the damage if you have any...

[all-mota]

nice build man

[Grimm Reeper]

What cute? Seeing CRXs taillights? I agree :D

Never :taun:

well I would say the EJ but that's gone now..... So now you gots to deal with the 4 doe teggie fool :idb:

[uproot]

finally sharing LOL


good stuff my friend :goodjob:

[bigdare23]

Damn, thats a nice build. Thats crazy about the timing belt only lasting 8 miles. What exactly happened to it? Id like to see pics of the damage if you have any...

*Palms Face*

You don't need pics since you was there when it happened :eek:

[bigdare23]

nice build man

Thanks!

Now if you want to basically give away that smsp header in your sig, I'll take it :D That's basically the only header that works in EF/CRX chassis without hitting everything in the road.

[uproot]

Thanks!

Now if you want to basically give away that smsp header in your sig, I'll take it :D That's basically the only header that works in EF/CRX chassis without hitting everything in the road.

There are other headers... :D

[Bus Driver J]

*Palms Face*

You don't need pics since you was there when it happened :eek:

Oh shit, that was YOUR car??? Damn....

:ninja:

[Just_CHill]

Nice build.

[Vteckidd]

I'll trade you my skunk2 stage 2s for the ctr cams

Nice numbers very respectable

[tdurr]

hmmmm....

[Black4DrEK]

I LOVE IT!!!

Im going LSVtec VERY soon..:goodjob:


Reps for the awesome build

[Black4DrEK]

I'll trade you my skunk2 stage 2s for the ctr cams

Nice numbers very respectable

^ Do that.

[Master Shake]

Larry Smith does some good work.

looks like this is gonna be an awesome engine to play with. get some vids or something.

[bigdare23]

I'll trade you my skunk2 stage 2s for the ctr cams

Nice numbers very respectable



How soon are you looking to trade? I'm aiming to come back in GA in a week or two. If you're still willing to trade then LMK :goodjob:

[bigdare23]

Larry Smith does some good work.

looks like this is gonna be an awesome engine to play with. get some vids or something.

Yeah they do! It was well worth the 1.5hr drive. I'm actually considering using them again for a single cam I'm planning in my head :eek: :ninja:

[bigdare23]

There are other headers... :D


:lmfao: Not everyone a baller with a header that worth more than a b16 swaps their car :ninja:

[bigdare23]

I LOVE IT!!!

Im going LSVtec VERY soon..:goodjob:


Reps for the awesome build


I say "DO IT" :goodjob:

[DustnU]

What cute? Seeing CRXs taillights? I agree :D

Damn Tony he busted that ass already!!! LOL Good build dare, hope to follow HP suit soon myself.

[DustnU]

I LOVE IT!!!

Im going LSVtec VERY soon..:goodjob:


Reps for the awesome build

Don't BITE my style Homie, thats phucked up!!! LOL When??? Ima bust that ASS!

[Vteckidd]

How soon are you looking to trade? I'm aiming to come back in GA in a week or two. If you're still willing to trade then LMK :goodjob:

That's fine I'll be there pm me

205 with that setup is very good numbers header or not. Even with itr/ctr cams that's very good. I've seen way more built motors make far less.

[all-mota]

Thanks!

Now if you want to basically give away that smsp header in your sig, I'll take it :D That's basically the only header that works in EF/CRX chassis without hitting everything in the road.

yeah man even trade my header for your build i need something to put in my daily haha. i hear you on the price i paid about 1300 for it new and waited about 6 months.



That's fine I'll be there pm me

205 with that setup is very good numbers header or not. Even with itr/ctr cams that's very good. I've seen way more built motors make far less.

exactly those are good numbere with a nice intake manifold some good cams and a little headwork it should make close to 220whp

[Black4DrEK]

Don't BITE my style Homie, thats phucked up!!! LOL When??? Ima bust that ASS!



We will see!!:goodjob:


Try me partna!!!! lol.. see you soon bro.. For the meet

[teh_mugen18]

LOL reading the builds in here make me sad lol,now i need to go build another engine

[Supraboy87T]

Reading these threads makes me sad too. I wanna hurry up and finish my lilttle single cam build.

[bigdare23]

with a nice intake manifold

What do you consider nice? I was consider upgrading, but I'm afraid of the gains (or loses in some cases LOL) not being worth the $$$. I heard the Edelbrock intakes (PerformerX in particular) are pretty good. What do you recommend?

[Vteckidd]

Performer X is what most people like but honestly I made 237whp with an AEBS so I don't thin it's worth switching unless you are making serious power

[PRO®]

Never :taun:

well I would say the EJ but that's gone now..... So now you gots to deal with the 4 doe teggie fool :idb:

over rated :ninja:

[94ej2]

nice tq for a 89mm

[all-mota]

Performer X is what most people like but honestly I made 237whp with an AEBS so I don't thin it's worth switching unless you are making serious power


he's right you can pick up a aebs for way cheaper and have it ported and port matched and pick up a nice throttle body and they work great.

but as far as off the shelf manifolds the performer x makes the most power for the money just make sure you pick up a 70mm or bigger throttlebody.

unless you have plenty of cash then you can pick up a endyne sheet metal manifold or a air carbon one.

[bigdare23]

Okay thanks for the info Mike and all-mota. The crazy thing is I ordered an AEBS intake originally, but I was rushed with time installing my b16 (the intake took it slow sweet time arriving). So I bought my friends used Skunk2 just to finish my swap (b16) and get my car running. Then sold the AEBS to the Scotsman once it came in.

[HatchHero]

nice setup!!

[Grimm Reeper]

over rated :ninja:


I know you liked the taillights of my EJ as well, when i use to have it :cry:

[Sir_Christopher]

Oh Lawd!, this is trash.... erey one knows you needs an h sissy boy!!!






















but congrats, the build looks good!!

[TheChosenOne]

Damn Dare. Steppin your game up, I see. I love the build! :goodjob:

[Grimm Reeper]

Damn Tony he busted that ass already!!! LOL Good build dare, hope to follow HP suit soon myself.

Naw, but believe me I'm on his hit list from our trip to Columbus after I had my swap for the first time in the EJ so now the playing field is leveled and there can only be 1, so we'll see who'll move ahead victorious :D you know I welcome friendly competition Darryl :goodjob: but I like to stay in the Shadows as well :D


We will see!!:goodjob:

Try me partna!!!! lol.. see you soon bro.. For the meet

:ninja:


over rated :ninja:

I had to quote you again cause Sol's are ghey lol esp yours :D

[DustnU]

I feel some friendly competition brewing, I want a piece db8soslo!!! Bwahahahaha

[Grimm Reeper]

I feel some friendly competition brewing, I want a piece db8soslo!!! Bwahahahaha

Me too...... :D lol

[bigdare23]

I was going through my cell phone pics and found these


Last pic with the b16
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00677.jpg

B20vtec just waiting
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00678.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00683.jpg

Test fitting my old Greddy Header for a b16
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00679.jpg

Car in the air
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00682.jpg

Motor on the ground
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00687.jpg

bye bye 1.6L
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00684.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00685.jpg

Prepping the b20V for install
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00686.jpg



These are pics from the head removal when I bent all of my valves LOL

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00688.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00691.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00692.jpg



Then a pic from getting tuned by Scotty at Mainstream

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/b20%20install/IMG00697.jpg

[bigdare23]

Slight update:

I haven't driven the car lately because of a "miss"/"backfire" I was having while cruising at highway speeds, and could really find a solution. I checked the plugs, and they appear normal and consistent. So I decided to start throwing money at a wall LOL.

I installed a JDM 4-1 header (with the 2.5in collector), but it hung lower than my hytech replica (plus I dented after total of 30 miles :2up:). So that got removed and the tri-y got installed again. I installed a new fuel pressure gauge in placed of the crappy b&m one. I upgraded to DSM 440 injectors, and I also got one of the local tuners to burn me a new basemap. Last, but not least I installed a Walbro 255lph hp fuel pump. The car ran great for a total of 60 secs before it popped a #14 fuel (alternator solenoid fuse I believe), and it would continue to pop that fuse each time we replaced it. The problem is the ecu and fuel pump is on that circuit, so every time it pops the car dies. :( The sad thing about it is, my friend I were very careful with when installed the pump so I don't really know where the problem lies. This weekend we are going to drop the tank and check out the wiring again and hopefully we fine something that can be fixed. :cry:

The only bright side is the "miss" seems like it may have went away. *crosses fingers*

[all-mota]

Slight update:

I haven't driven the car lately because of a "miss"/"backfire" I was having while cruising at highway speeds, and could really find a solution. I checked the plugs, and they appear normal and consistent. So I decided to start throwing money at a wall LOL.

I installed a JDM 4-1 header (with the 2.5in collector), but it hung lower than my hytech replica (plus I dented after total of 30 miles :2up:). So that got removed and the tri-y got installed again. I installed a new fuel pressure gauge in placed of the crappy b&m one. I upgraded to DSM 440 injectors, and I also got one of the local tuners to burn me a new basemap. Last, but not least I installed a Walbro 255lph hp fuel pump. The car ran great for a total of 60 secs before it popped a #14 fuel (alternator solenoid fuse I believe), and it would continue to pop that fuse each time we replaced it. The problem is the ecu and fuel pump is on that circuit, so every time it pops the car dies. :( The sad thing about it is, my friend I were very careful with when installed the pump so I don't really know where the problem lies. This weekend we are going to drop the tank and check out the wiring again and hopefully we fine something that can be fixed. :cry:

The only bright side is the "miss" seems like it may have went away. *crosses fingers*

you have a wire shorted to power somewhere start looking for a wire rubbing somewhere

[bigdare23]

you have a wire shorted to power somewhere start looking for a wire rubbing somewhere

This is funny

I removed the pump and the whole harness and there was not a shorted wire anywhere. We installed the OEM pump and problem stopped. *shakes head*

How long do you think the oem pump will last with 440cc injectors?!? I kinda don't want to drop the tank again LOL.

[Bus Driver J]

Its not an issue of how long it will last its an issue of running out of fuel when tuning.

[all-mota]

This is funny

I removed the pump and the whole harness and there was not a shorted wire anywhere. We installed the OEM pump and problem stopped. *shakes head*

How long do you think the oem pump will last with 440cc injectors?!? I kinda don't want to drop the tank again LOL.

it had a internal short ohwell atleast you got it going

[DustnU]

Man this makes me wanna sell my Ls block and get a B20, Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

[bigdare23]

Its not an issue of how long it will last its an issue of running out of fuel when tuning.

Oh okay.



Now I'm scared LOL



:(

[bigdare23]

Another update:

Every since I swapped to synthetic oil, oil leaks begun to pop up. The vtec solenoid started leaking, and oil leaking starting around the head (WTF). So I had fun pulling the head this weekend. I didn't take any pics, but the head gasket had small "bubbles" in it (any suggestions to why?!?). Also, the cylinder wall edges of the head gasket seemed to get burned. So I ordered a Golden Eagle head gasket, and dropped my head off at a local respectable machine shop to get resurfaced and a "performance" valve job. The goal is to have car up and running this weekend. Then next week, I'm getting tuned. So hopefully everything goes as planned.

[bigdare23]

Question?!?

Should I use copper spray when I install the new headgasket?

[I <3 my EF]

Question?!?

Should I use copper spray when I install the new headgasket?

Yes

[Disco Monkey]

nice build.
:goodjob:

[SPOOLIN]

Question?!?

Should I use copper spray when I install the new headgasket?

I have found that it makes no difference.

[bigdare23]

Thanks Disco Monkey, and thanks for your input Spoolin.

Today day was fun. I put the head back, installed a new oil pan gasket, and an adjustable test pipe to finally hook up my exhaust. Tomorrow, I got to throw on my timing belt on, install my new breather setup, then check timing. Hopefully I'll be back on the road then.

Here's a pic of my valve cover after I stripped it and got two bungs welded on.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/valvecover.jpg
It's painted glossy black now. As for the breather setup, the fitting/lines are 10AN. I am running two lines from the valve cover to a small vented catch can mounted near the coolant reservoir. I'll post pics once the car is up and running.

QUESTION?!?

When venting the valve cover, should I keep the line that goes from the intake the valve cover? I noticed alot of turbo guys deleted (or vent) it. I also notice that Endyne kept that line when venting the valve cover on their b20vtec write. Suggestions?!?

[2.0lef_itbs]

what kinda compression are those rs machine pistons?
buddy is building a crvtec i told him rs machine pistons are where its at if you want some higher compression 84.5
and do you know what the part number is?

[Disco Monkey]

I have two bungs on the front of my valve cover also, so I cut that nipple off the back of the valve cover and plugged it up.

[bigdare23]

what kinda compression are those rs machine pistons?
buddy is building a crvtec i told him rs machine pistons are where its at if you want some higher compression 84.5
and do you know what the part number is?

They bumper your compression around 11.5:1 with a b16 head. With a gsr, it's slightly more, but I can't recall the c/r exactly since I wasn't concern with that head.

To tell you the truth, my piston aren't "actually" RS Machine pistons (I just say that because it's easier). They are actually Nippon pistons, and damn near identical (atleast appearance wise) to RS Machine pistons I went with these pistons because I felt they were more cost efficient. If I'm paying $300+ for pistons, I want them to be forged and not cast. So those pistons were what I was looking for (a cast pistons that would bump my c/r) and in my price range.

With that being said, I don't know the part number. Your best bet is looking on ebay for those pistons. Another alternative is YCP b20 itr style pistons.

[bigdare23]

I have two bungs on the front of my valve cover also, so I cut that nipple off the back of the valve cover and plugged it up.

Okay thanks! :goodjob:

[EJ_Allmota]

very nice build homie.. good numbers, i have no idea how i missed this thread all this time..

[bigdare23]

very nice build homie.. good numbers, i have no idea how i missed this thread all this time..

Thanks homie :goodjob: Props to your "new" motor also. Saw your dyno on H-T


After battling the snow for a few days, I was finally able to get my car running. I kept trying to turn the car over manually, but it kept getting stuck at a certain point. Found out that my distributor was of 180 degrees :thinking:. Took it off, installed it correctly, and it started with no problem. I'm going to let the snow melt for a few more days then I'm checking for leaks. After that it's time to drive it home from my friend's house. It's going to sit until next week (since it's going to snow again this weekend), then it's off to get tuned. :goodjob:

[bigdare23]

Here's a picture from today. I'm going to have to clean up my bay alot. LOL

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/IMAG0008.jpg

I might add, I just picked up another b20 short block today for my EF hatch. So I'm going to start another build thread after I make sure all the bugs are worked out of this motor. I have an idea for the motor already, and it's not going to be vtec. Crower here I come ;)

[1CleanEg]

nice build man, if i dont sell my integra i will be going ls/vtec also, Glood luck with everything

[bigdare23]

Tonight, the car made the 25mile trip from my friend's house back home without any problems. Since it was late, I didn't check for leaks. Hopefully I wont find any puddles in the morning. The car is going to sit for a few days, before I get tuned. I'll keep you posted with the new numbers.

[cpearson]

Nice build man! Keep us updated. Glad to hear it didn't have any hiccups on your trip.

[bigdare23]

So it appears that I have the worse luck ever.

My car is smoking white like hell, my exhaust tip looks like a swimming pool, and my radiator was low on coolant. So that points to one thing.... my head gasket, I just replaced 25miles ago. *sigh* (unless I'm so unlucky that my sleeves are cracked)

-I got my head machined
-I used a golden eagle head gasket
-I'm using arp head studs (for LSvtecs)
-I used arp lube and torqued everything to their specs
-I followed the honda manual step by step

WTF is all I can say. I need a drink (and some more money) LOL

[BABY J]

Sorry to hear that bro. I hope the sleeves are good - I would have def honed them instead of an overbore since it's a b20. Hope it's a just a head-gasket away from being on the streets again. GL

[Starrfire]

drain the oil. If all that comes out is coolant for a second, you probably have a cracked sleeve. At least that's what happened to my buddy's car. But I'm in the process of a b20 vtec also. But if you want a full crower Ls head my buddy will probably be more than happy to trade with you, with a skunk2 IM. LMK, and good luck.

[Vteckidd]

You never bore a b20 block. Honda service manual calls for throwing block away if overbore is needed

prob cracked a sleeve or block is warped

did you retorque headstuds?

[bigdare23]

You never bore a b20 block. Honda service manual calls for throwing block away if overbore is needed

prob cracked a sleeve or block is warped

did you retorque headstuds?



Haven't had a chance to retorque them. The car was only driven 25miles.

[Vteckidd]

Haven't had a chance to retorque them. The car was only driven 25miles.

True retorque isn't needed until 500-700 miles.

Drain the oil and look for coolant, let it sit for 20-30min before draining it. Has it overheated?

The block may be warped

[JDMJAYDC2]

Haven't had a chance to retorque them. The car was only driven 25miles.

orly......remember what you promised me if it messed up again:ninja:

this does suck tho good thing i picked up that spare b20 block for you no worries man

[bigdare23]

True retorque isn't needed until 500-700 miles.

Drain the oil and look for coolant, let it sit for 20-30min before draining it. Has it overheated?

The block may be warped


The car has never been overheated.

[BABY J]

If you are gonna get another b20 do NOT overbore it. We discussed this @ Taco Mac in Alpharetta. Make sure you got good crosshatches (hone) and call it a day. I know that prob means buying new slugs since yours are 84.5mm - but please listen to me man (if the sleeves are hurt). Either go 1.8l bottom or a honed b20 - but not an overbored b20. We don't talk much these days and that's that - just imagine that some1 else is telling you this and not me. If it's just a HG, then get it back on the road and get another NON-OVERBORED b20 on a stand as a backup block. GL

[Starrfire]

There have been plenty of people I know with overbored b20's without problems, but it seems for every 3 that don't, there is 1 guy that does. Maybe you aren't that guy. I'm building 2 almost identical over bored b20 vtecs right now. I don't think that either of them will have problems. Too much effort has gone into all my builds, and over the years all of them still run strong. Lets hope yours isn't destroyed.

Also, do you want a fully built Ls head with all the Crower goodies you were wanting?

[404 THE DC4]

this is reason i dont want to mess up wid my b20vtec. ill trade my b20vtec for other motor soon.

[Vteckidd]

Honda service Manual calls for throwing a b20 block away if it needs an overbore unlike any other b series

the sleeves are extremely thin compared to other motors.

I bet dem honduh injuneers know sumthin we don't

some might be ok, but a bored b20 block is playing with fire

[Jenson]

Overbore plus pressed in block gaurd could very easily cause a cracked sleeve in an already thin sleeve.

[bigdare23]

Well I drove it to a local import shop (if you call 40miles local LOL) to get checked out. The car ran perfectly fine and didn't overheat during the drive. Then when I got there the car wasn't smoking (even though it was smoking white like hell the past two days). So I'll see what they say. Hopefully, I can have it back on the road at the beginning of next week. If not, I still have a spare LS, b20, and b16 I can go back to. Keep ya'll posted.

[2.0lef_itbs]

where you low on coolant when you go to the shop?
i hope everything works at the shop so this thing can start doing fat roasters lol

[bigdare23]

where you low on coolant when you go to the shop?
i hope everything works at the shop so this thing can start doing fat roasters lol


I believe it was slightly low. It was after hours when I got there, so I could really get a good visual.


I hope everything works out too LOL

[2.0lef_itbs]

So what's the word man???

[JDMJAYDC2]

he wont know anything until monday

[2.0lef_itbs]

Nooooooooo I want to know now lol

[TougeGTR-33]

good luck man!

[2.0lef_itbs]

So what's the word??

[bigdare23]

So what's the word??


I been sick with the flu this week, so I finally got a chance to talk to the shop today. They performed a compression test and a leak down test to find that my motor is perfect. They put dye in the coolant systems to find out that the leak is coming from the radiator. So a new radiator and a tune, then I'm finally back on the road. They assumed the excess smoke is just condensation due to the cold weather. I'm looking forward to having my car back on the road because I'm tired of driving the ol' d15b7 around.

[2.0lef_itbs]

glad to here it wasn't a motor issue man

[bigdare23]

Well, my car is tuned and ready to be picked up. I would of gotten it today, but I had to spend 12hrs at school dealing with class and preparing for a presentation (real fun :rolleyes:).

Anyways, my friend tried to get #'s out of the tuner, but he was waiting to share them with me once I pick up the car. But he did leak that I made more than what I made last time. I'm cool with that since those numbers I was open header, and now I have a full exhaust. So I guess my valve may had helped. We'll see tomorrow. :goodjob:

[bigdare23]

Got my numbers













219/162











I guess not bad for a budget build with CTR cams.

[Sammich]

weak

[1CleanEg]

damn nice #'s man!

[cpearson]

Awesome numbers man! Congrats!

[2.0lef_itbs]

Dawm good numbers

[BABY J]

Showoff.:D

Not fair --- I'm telling mom.

[Vteckidd]

Good numbers mainstreams dyno?

[bigdare23]

Good numbers mainstreams dyno?

No, at a shop call DG Perfermance in NC.

I know it's not good to compare different dyno, so I'm not going to say I pick up 18hp and 4lbs-tq, but just for a comparison b16s make between 125-135whp on there dyno.

I actually just picked up the car, and my butt dyno tells me it's stronger than before. I'll post up the graph in a minute. (And the numbers were actually 218.1hp and 160.6ft-lbs)

[bigdare23]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/Dyno-1.jpg

Oh yeah I was tuned on e-c-tune just fyi.

[Vteckidd]

No, at a shop call DG Perfermance in NC.

I know it's not good to compare different dyno, so I'm not going to say I pick up 18hp and 4lbs-tq, but just for a comparison b16s make between 125-135whp on there dyno.

I actually just picked up the car, and my butt dyno tells me it's stronger than before. I'll post up the graph in a minute. (And the numbers were actually 218.1hp and 160.6ft-lbs)

I know numbers are subjective but I'm sure its Fun enjoy it! 220whp ain't no joke! That's a lot of tq too I made 159tq when I made 237whp.

[KevinT707]

Darryl still don't want none though ;)

[scttydb411]

good #'s. you def had some gains. b16 make about the same here. only difference i would think would be the time of year. gains non-the-less. great job! still in the crx?-even better.

[bigdare23]

Just a slight update.

So since last October, I had a slight skip during partial throttle. So I finally found the problem. It was my rotor button. The bad part about it was I thought I checked my dizzy when the problem started :crys: Anyways, the screw loosen itself up, and allowed the rotor to move freely in the axial direction. I found this out when I went to change out my ignitor and coil. Luckily i did find it, because it started to oblong. Anyways, the motor seems to run okay now *fingers cross*

*sidenote*
I wonder did this affect my #s any?!? LOL

[BABY J]

Yeah - real numbers: 153 / 126

:)

[bigdare23]

Slight update

In my question of making more power I decided to swap out my header. During my last tuning session I had a dented tri-y and made pretty decent numbers.

pic of the old header
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8768.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8767.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8766.jpg

I decided to upgrade to the big tube version since I have 84.5mm b20v (I hear you lose power throughout your powerband with smaller bores)
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8738.jpg

While I was at it, I decided to throw on a skid plate (I'm pissed because it's not worth the $50 they charge for it)
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8739.jpg

Installed it
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8810.jpg

Luckily I installed the skid plate.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8812.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g273/bigdare23/My%20Car/my%20car%20parts/IMG_8811.jpg

I don't have new numbers yet, because I'm waiting for a few extra parts before I get tuned again. The goal is to install Blox Bs, and a PerformerX before I get tuned.

Also, I was trying to get a used SMSP replica (High End I believe), but the guy that was selling it was pussy footing around. After trying to contact him for a week, I said fuck it and order this one just to have him PM that evening about the header :smh: Anyways, I don't drive it much since I just got a truck. So I'm not "too worried" about the header. I'm going to eventually raise the car up and put much stiffer suspension on it to help with the clearance issues.

[all-mota]

looks good man

[Jdm94Coupe]

looks like you need to raise your car up a little bit to avoid the problem in general. imo.

[bigdare23]

Thanks all-mota


Thats the plan JDM94Coupe.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Thats the plan JDM94Coupe.

header looks good! im glad you didnt take my comment in a negative way. repz for a good setup and a good guy.......

[Da_unknown]

got luck with the new numbers homie