LeVeyan Satanism? Interesting religion - I think most of us follow it too lol

[Atlblkz06]

To me, the definition of modern satanism is characterizes human instincts and desires as "Satan" and urges capitulation to such instincts and desires - called LaVeyan Satanism. As far as I'm concerned, Satanism is what we all FOLLOW RIGHT NOW. We do what we want, fulfill our own selfish desires (even if its at the expense of others). Hell, the Whoreslounge is THE perfect example of this. Its some sort of moral capitalism - full of twisted tales, lies and even some truth about people - all just to get a silly laugh (and some sort of twisted pleasure for some?). I think I just called 99% of IA Satanic but the definition seems to fit like a glove.

Here is a little excerpt I found interesting about the Church of Satan. They include some guy's explanation of them:

While the Church of Satan (http://altreligion.about.com/od/alternativereligionsaz/a/satanism.htm) encourages individuality and the gratification of desires, it does not suggest that all actions are acceptable. The Nine Satanic Sins, published by Anton LaVey in 1987, target nine characteristics Satanists should avoid.

1. Stupidity

Stupid people do not get ahead in this world. Satanists strive to keep themselves informed and to not be fooled by others who seek to manipulate and use them.

2. Pretentiousness

Taking pride in one’s achievements is encouraged in Satanism. However, one should only take credit for one’s own accomplishments. Making empty claims about yourself is not only obnoxious but also potentially dangerous, leading to sin No. 4, self-deceit.

3. Solipsism

Satanists use this term to refer to the presumption many people make that other people think, act and have the same desires as themselves. It’s important to remember that everyone is an individual with his own individual goals and plans. To expect someone to treat you as you treat him is foolish. Instead, Satanists encourages you to treat people as they treat you. You should always deal with the reality of the situation rather than expectations.

4. Self-Deceit

Satanists deal with the world as it is. Convincing yourself of untruths because they are more comfortable is no less problematic than letting someone else deceive you.

5. Herd Conformity

Satanism exalts the power of the individual. Western culture encourages people to go with the flow, and to believe and do things simply because the wider community is doing such. Satanists attempt to avoid such behavior, following the herd only if it makes logical sense and suits one’s own needs.

6. Lack of Perspective

Remain aware of both the big and small pictures, never sacrificing one for the other. Remember your own important place in things, and don’t be overwhelmed with the viewpoints of the herd. On the flipside, we do live in a world larger than ourselves. Always keep an eye on the big picture and how you can fit yourself into it.

7. Forgetful of Past Orthodoxies

Society is constantly taking old ideas and repackaging them as new, original ideas. Do not be fooled by such offerings.

8. Counterproductive Pride

If it works, use it. You should never be embarrassed of your own accomplishments. However, if pride is getting in the way of getting things done with other people, you should set it aside until such time as it becomes constructive again.

9. Lack of Aesthetics

Beauty and balance are two things Satanists strive for. This is particularly true in magical practices but can be extended to the rest of one’s life as well. Avoid following that which society dictates is beautiful and learn to identify true beauty, whether or not others recognize it.


Thoughts?...

[The Creeper]

I thought satanists just slaughtered goats, rape and pillage the weak, and draw pentagrams everywhere :lmfao::lmfao:

Good find. Bible huggers will get a kick out of it.

[StreetHazard]

This is interesting, I almost posted something like this myself. More often than not I find myself relating to Satanists more so than to many Atheists themselves, to a point where I explored the philosophy as a possible choice for my own guidance.

The only real difference that I personally see between Satanism and Atheism, is the "ritual" aspect. Satanism can offer a sense of Spiritualism that many Atheists still feel they can relate too and have a need for. I learned that I simply had no need or desire for it as well, and I also have a problem with using a moniker which is so closely related to the western abrahamic religions desert deity "SATAN"...if it is just utilizing the godless archetype as a name only. Which these are just about the only reasons I can still claim myself to be Atheist. More astute, knowledgeable Christian evangelists have spotted the trappings of this philosophy in my beliefs as well and mistakenly labeled me a Satanist, but the observation was so close I never even bothered to correct them.

I read the Satanic Bible, and I find it to be pretty sophomoric, the idea's put forth in it's contents to me read more like a childrens book for Atheism with the trappings of godless ritual to help cement his point, then containing any spiritual wisdom or any semblance of "enlightenment", then again I feel no real reason to pursue a sense of spiritualism or enlightenment at all, so it is again with my lack of understanding of such matters, with no real desire to understand.

most LaVeyans are atheistic "symbolic" Satanists, they claim the name in it's archetype form only, but hold concrete Atheist views. I have very close Atheist friends that have such a (morally nihilistic) view towards life on this earth they make Anton LaVey's ideas seem as harmless as a newborn kitten.


There are many other branches of Satanism besides LeVeyan. Like....


Paradigm Satanism

Pantheistic or Panentheistic Satanism

Polytheistic Satanism

Luciferianism and/or Gnostic Luciferianism

Christian-based duotheism <----this is just good 'ol fashioned devil worship "praise the goat, and hail satan"


the others I can elaborate on, but I have a feeling this thread will be dodged like the bubonic plague. But maybe I will be proved wrong.



But excellent thread post Atlblkz06, reps too you! and I will stick around.

[Starrfire]

Sounds like a pretty good way to be, minus the stepping on people to get what you want. But other than that it sounds like Levayan Satanists sound like an intelligent sort of people.
Sounds at sometimes shallow, but much less than the other side of the spectrum.

[StreetHazard]

Sounds like a pretty good way to be, minus the stepping on people to get what you want. But other than that it sounds like Levayan Satanists sound like an intelligent sort of people.
Sounds at sometimes shallow, but much less than the other side of the spectrum.

It is more of a "wolf in a field of sheep" concept than any deliberate attempt to subvert someone else's life just to achieve the individual satanist's personal goals. the Satanist is also fully aware of the possible consequences of their actions which also help shape their morality.

A satanist believes that if their actions "indirectly" cause another individuals (loss of freedom, loss of wealth, or any other personal hardship, and even loss of life) it is the fault of the individual's NOT the satanist. For it is the individuals fault for not being wiser in their decision making and stronger in their ability to survive in this world.

but this wouldn't mean say an example would be (if the satanist got drunk and drove his/her car onto a bunch of kids) that the satanist would not feel remorse, and fully accept the consequences of their actions.

the degree's in between are determined by the individual Satanists morality...which varies widely, and also makes practicing Satanism a deeply personal choice and not widely shared with others.

another example may be (a Satanist may steal another man's wife, as obviously that man was not strong enough to keep her)

[Starrfire]

So Leveyan satanism is basically summed up to, "Don't hate the player, hate the game".

[StreetHazard]

So Leveyan satanism is basically summed up to, "Don't hate the player, hate the game".

that sounds too tame for the moral viewpoint of a satanist. It would be more akin to "survival of the fittest" but if you intentionally interfere with their goals, they will flat out destroy you.

[Atlblkz06]

Thanks for the detailed response!

I was going to say that this is sort of like "applied capitalism" to life or "Survival of the fittest". Its purely mathematical/tactical and does not involve lame things like feelings. I like your example about the wife - its logically sound but we apply our "morals" to it and screw it up :lmfao:Funny though, there are tribes out there that have elaborate festivals designed to allow men to "steal" away other's wives! Its pretty crazy.

You're right though - it does seem to be highly personal and even flexible. You could possibly have a "good" Satanist who is merely viewed as someone who is "cold and weird". On the other hand you have the extremists who run the risk of being ostracized by "regular" society.


It is more of a "wolf in a field of sheep" concept than any deliberate attempt to subvert someone else's life just to achieve the individual satanist's personal goals. the Satanist is also fully aware of the possible consequences of their actions which also help shape their morality.

A satanist believes that if their actions "indirectly" cause another individuals (loss of freedom, loss of wealth, or any other personal hardship, and even loss of life) it is the fault of the individual's NOT the satanist. For it is the individuals fault for not being wiser in their decision making and stronger in their ability to survive in this world.

but this wouldn't mean say an example would be (if the satanist got drunk and drove his/her car onto a bunch of kids) that the satanist would not feel remorse, and fully accept the consequences of their actions.

the degree's in between are determined by the individual Satanists morality...which varies widely, and also makes practicing Satanism a deeply personal choice and not widely shared with others.

another example may be (a Satanist may steal another man's wife, as obviously that man was not strong enough to keep her)

[bodhi]

I've never met anybody who self-identified himself as a Satanist who wasn't a complete douchebag or a pathetic loser in denial. (Ditto for Christians, Atheists, etc.)

My theory is that if you have to go ask somebody else what you should think and how you should behave, you're too weak and cowardly to make it work for your own life. I read the Satanist Bible right around the time I was interested in Chaos Magic.
My thoughts on it, like any religion is that certain ideas sound good, but there is a lot of superstitious mambo jumbo.

Are Satanist's misunderstood as a religion?
Of course they are, but they did choose Satan as an avatar because he is the scapegoat of Christianity.

If people buy La Vey's book you will find the first half of the book an interesting read, the last half which is about rituals is lame as fuck. It's a classic situation of becoming what you hate. In this case all their rituals resemble Christian rituals but with a "dark twist." It's shit a 16 year old would think of.

In the end it's just like any other idea, religion or philosophy.
If it works, people will use it, if not, they won't. I won't do anything just because that's what it says to do in the Satanic Bible or anywhere else. I make up my own mind, who I am, and what I think and what I'll do. And anybody who thinks different is an obstacle in their own path.
So sayeth The Bodhi, Grand Poobah of Spiritual Retardedness, and author of the book: 10 Rules For Becoming The Bodhi, available wherever books are sold.

[StreetHazard]

I fell into the same conclusion as well, though I am not so sure that every Satanist came to be one by reading the Satanic Bible™. The philosophies of living for yourself and rejecting the unprovable false threats of damnation by Abrahamic religion and the ideas of subjective VS. objective morality relate very well into their lives, and mine as well. But like you, I also find no real need to even attempt to classify myself into any group of religion or philosophy except as a means to help explain my point of view. which is explained in (#5. Herd Conformity) of the Satanic Sins listed above.

Satanism has evolved well passed the ideas put forth in the Satanic Bible™, into something that doesn't even resemble a religion at all, it resembles more of a "philosophy towards life" of completely accepting the human nature in all of it's desires. And many modern self identified Satanists do not even attempt to relate to the ritual aspect of it at all. It fails as being a called a "religion" as much as (creationism is a form of science) or (Islam and Christianity are a religion of peace and tolerance)...Basically saying that attempting to describe them as such, words tend to lose all of their meaning.

I still have not gotten a straight answer out of self-identified Satanists on why even call yourself such as you do not pay homage to any form of deity. but what I have learned, it seems to have more with the ease of describing your beliefs to others by attaching some kind of title too it, and they have adopted one that everyone knows is the absolute rejection of everything having to with god, gods establishments and everything religion stands for, while also embracing free-thought and wisdom with little bit of rebelliousness.

Theistic Satanists are closer to "good old fashioned devil worship" than modern satanists. Theistic Satanists actually do believe in the concept of God and the Devil, of heaven and hell. But view Satan as a positive necessary destructive force in this world, like Yin and Yang, the way forest fires are necessary for the regrowth of new vegetation.

Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. in the same way in modern times we refer to the Morning Star. He is used as the god of wisdom and enlightenment where his opposing counterpart Yahweh is the embodiment of ignorance and destruction.

Theistic Satanists in my opinion really are as completely full of shit as their christian counterparts, except Theistic Satanists tend to be a lot more open-minded.



But let us not forget....they are Satanists, so by definition they make all Christians very, very uncomfortable if not outright hostile. Which is why I would be very surprised if a christian posted in here desiring to learn more, if only at least it was to help them understand their enemy. but this line of reasoning, philosophy and thought is like Kryptonite to Superman. It smashes everything a Christian thinks they know about life and the human condition, and is directly opposed to everything they hold sacred in their beliefs.

So Satanist's can't be all to bad in my book. I'll still buy them a beer.

[Nerdsrock22]

As a Christian, I wouldn't consider a Satanist any enemy any more than any other human being on the planet (not at all).

How's that for your "EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS OUT TO KILL GAYS AND BULLY PEOPLE" philosophy on life.

[mocha latte cupcake]

As a Christian, I wouldn't consider a Satanist any enemy any more than any other human being on the planet (not at all).

How's that for your "EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS OUT TO KILL GAYS AND BULLY PEOPLE" philosophy on life.

second this.

[StreetHazard]

As a Christian, I wouldn't consider a Satanist any enemy any more than any other human being on the planet (not at all).

How's that for your "EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS OUT TO KILL GAYS AND BULLY PEOPLE" philosophy on life.


when was that said? if you are referring to the statement I made about the irony of the black christians of this country helping to elect the 1st 1/2 black president, while at the same time denying homosexuals basic civil rights of marriage due to their bigoted beliefs....essentially making them sit in the back of the bus.

I stand by that statement because it is true, and very, very sad. Also the fact that this nation is still so afraid of ancient irrelevant gods it would never elect an atheist president for fear he or she would not help support the religious dogma that has plagued this world like a cancer, has created wars, also held us back from science, learning and evolving our mental state at least 500 years.

look at the poll here

do you believe in God

Yes - 66.24 %

No - 23.89 %


that means almost 67% of the people on this site are capable of believing in boogeymen, and unicorns.

[Nerdsrock22]

when was that said?

I'm assuming.

Every single time you say anything about Christians, it's

A. They are out to get someone.

B. They are trying to brainwash someone.

C. They are plotting revenge on their evil doppelganger's, the Satanists.

I mean seriously dude, you sit here and talk about open-mindedness and liberal thinking, but you can't even look past some false archetype you have of us because of some bad experience you had as a kid or some article you read on atheist.com.

And don't take any of this as me saying you are uneducated or foolish, I'd love to sit down have debate/conversate with you. But seriously, you are taking a 2000 yr old world religion and boiling it down to one very specific version that's convenient for your argument.

[Nerdsrock22]

But let us not forget....they are Satanists, so by definition they make all Christians very, very uncomfortable if not outright hostile. Which is why I would be very surprised if a christian posted in here desiring to learn more, if only at least it was to help them understand their enemy. but this line of reasoning, philosophy and thought is like Kryptonite to Superman. It smashes everything a Christian thinks they know about life and the human condition, and is directly opposed to everything they hold sacred in their beliefs.

So Satanist's can't be all to bad in my book. I'll still buy them a beer.

Oh my, somebody believes something different than I! My feeble brainwashed Christian mind has been crushed to pieces! Where shall I turn now?

:lmfao:

[Atlblkz06]

As a Christian, I wouldn't consider a Satanist any enemy any more than any other human being on the planet (not at all).

How's that for your "EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS OUT TO KILL GAYS AND BULLY PEOPLE" philosophy on life.


That was the point I was trying to explore - a LONG time ago I thought Satanists were out to "get people" and that they were bad people in general. Then I started thinking - whats the point of being a bad person unless there is personal gain? In today's society - its a harsh living if you're too different from the mainstream crowd.

Then after some research it seems to me that many branches of "Satanism" has nothing to Satan. This kinda kinda like Buddhism and the Buddha - Buddhists don't pray to Buddha but rather lead their lives based on his ideas. But then - Satan has no ideas on life that he handed down so "Satanism" doesn't exist! It should be called "selfishism" or something

[StreetHazard]

Oh my, somebody believes something different than I! My feeble brainwashed Christian mind has been crushed to pieces! Where shall I turn now?

:lmfao:


try inward, you wouldn't even be a christian if you were raised in Saudi Arabia or Iran, you would be a Muslim. If you were raised in India chances are you would be a Hindu. Unless you want to delude yourself into thinking that you would have always found the glory of the true faith of Jesus Christ.

that topic is being beat to death like a baby seal elsewhere, and faith will always lose when faced against reason and logic, which is obviously being proven (yet again) there.

[Nerdsrock22]

try inward, you wouldn't even be a christian if you were raised in Saudi Arabia or Iran, you would be a Muslim. If you were raised in India chances are you would be a Hindu. Unless you want to delude yourself into thinking that you would have always found the glory of the true faith of Jesus Christ.

that topic is being beat to death like a baby seal elsewhere, and faith will always lose when faced against reason and logic, which is obviously being proven (yet again) there.

Cool story bro. I had no idea religions developed regionally. I need to learn me more from dem science books.

And I appreciate the advice to look inward. I had never considered thinking critically about my faith and all, seeing as I was born in the South, was indoctrinated from an early age in VBS (Vacation Brainwashing Seminar), and punished brutally by my God-fearing parents until I succumbed to the will of God (HAVE YOU READ MY AUTOBIOGRAPHY?).

Here's a website (http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/05/29/a-guide-to-christian-cliches-and-phrases/) of more christian cliches you can use.

I'm sorry that my attendance at a weekly community worship service, decision to live morally as best I can, study of scripture, and monthly visit to assist in an Atlanta-based food shelter holds back the advancement of the human race. I tell you what; I'll stay home from church on Sunday and see if y'all book-learnin' folks can't cook up a cure to AIDS or solve the global energy crisis.

[StreetHazard]

I have forgotten what the argument is, or even if there was one in the first place.

Ask a question and let someone answer.

or either one of us could just rant and rave somewhere else.


my severe dislike for ALL religion is not really up to debate and well beyond argument, and most likely so is your faith.

[Nerdsrock22]

Fair enough. Now that I graduated college I don't really get to rant and rave about issues very much anymore. :( I don't hope you take it personal, not my intention.

As far as Satanism goes, I agree with StreetHazard (:eek:) about Theistic Satanists. If you are going to worship a God that originates from the Judeo-Christian tradition, at least choose the winning side.

As far as what I consider non-traditional Satanism, which from what I've read and seen (which I admit to be minute and disparate), it appears to be little more than Joker-esque moral anarchy, a.k.a. just being an asshat.

I agree that more people than most folks reckon, including Christians, end up teetering on this closer than they'd like (selfishism).

As far as the list of Satanic sins, I honestly believe that most of that stuff could be gleaned from the Bible just as easily.:dunno:

[StreetHazard]

I'm assuming.

Every single time you say anything about Christians, it's

A. They are out to get someone.

B. They are trying to brainwash someone.

C. They are plotting revenge on their evil doppelganger's, the Satanists.

I mean seriously dude, you sit here and talk about open-mindedness and liberal thinking, but you can't even look past some false archetype you have of us because of some bad experience you had as a kid or some article you read on atheist.com.

And don't take any of this as me saying you are uneducated or foolish, I'd love to sit down have debate/conversate with you. But seriously, you are taking a 2000 yr old world religion and boiling it down to one very specific version that's convenient for your argument.


I was born and raised in western society, which also means I was born and raised into the religious dogma that helped shape it's society. Abrahamic religious thought is taught to us by every means of communication possible, yet somehow it is still tax except. It's on the airwaves, it's idea's and teachings are reshaped in literature, it is on our televisions and I could walk to the corner of my street and throw a rock and possibly hit about 5 different churches, to door to door salesman from the religious institutions and even evangelicals at car shows ;).

To claim that I do not have full command of the ideas put forth by the character of Jesus Christ and the mockery the church has become of his teachings, would be the same as claiming I lack the understanding of how to breathe in and out...frankly it's insulting to anyone of average intelligence. Religion IS my Satan. When I hear gods name, I smell sulfur, when I hear his words, I smell death. I can see that his filthy religion has polluted the world I have to live in far more thoroughly than any fossil fuel could ever dream of. And I can see that everything about this God has been purposely designed to poison our experience of life on Earth....NOT to enhance it. To keep us fearful. To suppress knowledge. To curtail freedom and creativity. And to celebrate death. It's nothing less than the dumbing down of the human race. Not to mention the cancer at the heart of it....Jerusalem. That jewel in the desert, that celestial piss-hole in the sand, from which the spiritual black death of the Middle Eastern desert has oozed and spread throughout this world like a vile oil slick, coating and contaminating everything it touches with a thick slime of pious ignorance.....only we don't call it ignorance, we call it faith. The current wars in the Middle east are perfect current examples of these gifts that just keep on giving.

The entire concept of faith should hold no more meaning in our lives than astrology, tarot card reading or sooth-saying with a crystal ball and anyone taking these practices seriously should expect nothing less than to be openly mocked and ridiculed until that individual does some serious re-evaluation of their mental state. But THAT is NOT happening. Instead the free pass that we consistently give to this fake virtue of faith, religion is now completely out of control. The fact their are even blasphemy laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_laws) to protect people from hearing words that might crowbar their minds out of the stone age is a perfect illustration of the cowardly immaturity of the religious mind and the emptiness of religion itself.

If I published or spoke these words in almost EVERY other nation in the world at the very LEAST I would be imprisoned and in others I would be killed. In the United Kingdom On 5 March 2008, an amendment was passed to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 which abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel in England and Wales. (Common law is abolished, not repealed.) The Act received royal assent on 8 May 2008, and the relevant section came into force on 8 July 2008. That was only last year! In Islamic countries under Sharia Law the sentence is death. This is the nature of Abrahamic Religion.

If religion contained any truth, it could be ridiculed, insulted, even defiled, without being diminished in any way. Its truth would shine through, undimmed, unblemished, shaming those who abused it into silence. But that's just not how things are. The only true thing about religion is that it's false. Its claim to higher knowledge is laughable. It doesn't even have any lower knowledge. Not one of its ludicrous claims about reality would have a hope in hell of standing up in a court of law.....and it's just about time we stop treating them as if they do.



As a Christian, I wouldn't consider a Satanist any enemy any more than any other human being on the planet (not at all).

How's that for your "EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS OUT TO KILL GAYS AND BULLY PEOPLE" philosophy on life.

Satan: it's literal translation in Hebrew means "the accuser", in Arabic al-Shaitan means "the adversary" al-Shaitan is the equivalent of Satan in Islam and Jinn, "Iblis" is the personal name of the Devil who is mentioned in the Qur'anic account of Genesis. But I do agree that there are only a few instances in the Bible where Satan is described as having a significant impact on human affairs. So your viewpoint of not considering them as an adversary is commendable. But I also think you are more of an exception and not the resounding consensus.

Mark 3:29 "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, but is guilty of eternal sin."

Again you can reference the blasphemy laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_laws) listed above in my previous response and find many instances of imprisonments and death sentences issued for blasphemous speech from many governments across the world.

It was also reported on 21 May 2008 that in Kenya that a mob had burnt to death at least 11 people accused of witchcraft.

And instances of moral panic in the modern West have some similarities to the earlier (and later) witch-hunts. Notably, the hysteria surrounding Satanic ritual abuse, prominent in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and elsewhere during the 1980s, employed much of the same occult and conspiratorial imagery. We term it "the Satanic Panic"



Cool story bro. I had no idea religions developed regionally. I need to learn me more from dem science books.

And I appreciate the advice to look inward. I had never considered thinking critically about my faith and all, seeing as I was born in the South, was indoctrinated from an early age in VBS (Vacation Brainwashing Seminar), and punished brutally by my God-fearing parents until I succumbed to the will of God (HAVE YOU READ MY AUTOBIOGRAPHY?).

Here's a website of more christian cliches you can use.

I'm sorry that my attendance at a weekly community worship service, decision to live morally as best I can, study of scripture, and monthly visit to assist in an Atlanta-based food shelter holds back the advancement of the human race. I tell you what; I'll stay home from church on Sunday and see if y'all book-learnin' folks can't cook up a cure to AIDS or solve the global energy crisis.

Sarcasm so I will not address this. But this I will

"and monthly visit to assist in an Atlanta-based food shelter holds back the advancement of the human race"

I have as well personally helped out strangers I thought were in need, I personally paid for the mortgage of an individual refered to me from a friend to keep his families home out of foreclosure. I just refuse to help ingrates or those that are unwilling to help themselves, and I also did not need to read it in the bible to help guide my goodwill. I have other instances of this, but this example was the most recent.

[Starrfire]

I personally HATE all religion. It is the cancer of our society in general, always holding everyone back, just like "no child left behind". I grew up in a Christian family, but it didn't make any sense, and after enough of the bull crap and actually listening to what they were saying, I thought to myself, "this is a load of crap", so I never returned. It is actually sad to think that people don't believe in carbon dating, radioactive half life, dinosaurs etc. simply because someone with no scientific background said, "this isn't true". I feel pain for how stupid they really are but laugh on the inside at the same time. I call no religion my own, but can appreciate the core values that all currently being discussed imply. But as with No Child Left Behind, they are performed poorly to feeble minds willing to absorb their words like a sponge, and dispel all other ways of thinking.

[Nerdsrock22]

Your thoughtful and intelligent responses are appreciated and commendable.

I'll handle mine with the same respect.

In regards to your words about criminal punishment for blasphemy, I completely agree that any legal or social punishment dealt out to non-practicioners of a religion is an abomination to what I believe are the true teachings of Christ. The vast majority of Jesus Christ's rebukes (as recorded in the New Testament) were towards those of his own religion. It is my belief that any person or government who uses force to propel one's own belief system into dominance is both wrong and, if Christian or Jew, guilty of sin.

That goes for Constantine, that goes for the Crusaders, that goes for the Spanish Inquisition, and that goes for the United States government. I assure you, you will find no greater advocate of the separation of church and state than I.



If religion contained any truth, it could be ridiculed, insulted, even defiled, without being diminished in any way. Its truth would shine through, undimmed, unblemished, shaming those who abused it into silence. But that's just not how things are. The only true thing about religion is that it's false. Its claim to higher knowledge is laughable.


This argument doesn't get very far with me.

This same argument could have been used by the Catholic Church pre-Enlightment in regards to science. Just because the modern dictators of truth don't agree that some idea is true, that hardly means that its a throwaway.


I have as well personally helped out strangers I thought were in need, I personally paid for the mortgage of an individual refered to me from a friend to keep his families home out of foreclosure. I just refuse to help ingrates or those that are unwilling to help themselves, and I also did not need to read it in the bible to help guide my goodwill. I have other instances of this, but this example was the most recent.

:cheers:

I would expect nothing less than that. My argument was not to suggest that Christians hold sole ownership of goodwill, only that there are Christians that exist who have aligned themselves with the words of Christ and fight for the goodwill of man, rather than the advancement of a civil religion.

Furthermore, I share your concern with who you refer to as the "ingrates or those that are unwilling to help themselves". I have been involved with enough churches, food pantries, and soup kitchens to know that while a solid handshake is always available, the availablity of certain resources is limited, and must be handled with temperance and effectiveness. Believe me, I've handed out bread to a man who opened the back hatch of his Escalade with a keyfob twenty yards away; however, I do not know that man's story and stand in no place to judge his needs. While I certainly won't be offering any money for his car payments, I will not refuse him goodwill.

[SampaGuy]

I agree with almost all of those "Satanic Sins" yet I'm far from being a satanist. This is like labeling everyone that is left-handed as homosexuals, or saying people that eat donuts have aids. One thing has nothing to do with the other. None of those "Sins" have anything to do with praising satan or being evil.

[geoff]

[QUOTE]To claim that I do not have full command of the ideas put forth by the character of Jesus Christ and the mockery the church has become of his teachings, would be the same as claiming I lack the understanding of how to breathe in and out...frankly it's insulting to anyone of average intelligence. Religion IS my Satan. When I hear gods name, I smell sulfur, when I hear his words, I smell death. I can see that his filthy religion has polluted the world I have to live in far more thoroughly than any fossil fuel could ever dream of. And I can see that everything about this God has been purposely designed to poison our experience of life on Earth....NOT to enhance it. To keep us fearful. To suppress knowledge. To curtail freedom and creativity. And to celebrate death. It's nothing less than the dumbing down of the human race. Not to mention the cancer at the heart of it....Jerusalem. That jewel in the desert, that celestial piss-hole in the sand, from which the spiritual black death of the Middle Eastern desert has oozed and spread throughout this world like a vile oil slick, coating and contaminating everything it touches with a thick slime of pious ignorance.....only we don't call it ignorance, we call it faith. The current wars in the Middle east are perfect current examples of these gifts that just keep on giving.

The entire concept of faith should hold no more meaning in our lives than astrology, tarot card reading or sooth-saying with a crystal ball and anyone taking these practices seriously should expect nothing less than to be openly mocked and ridiculed until that individual does some serious re-evaluation of their mental state. But THAT is NOT happening. Instead the free pass that we consistently give to this fake virtue of faith, religion is now completely out of control. The fact their are even blasphemy laws to protect people from hearing words that might crowbar their minds out of the stone age is a perfect illustration of the cowardly immaturity of the religious mind and the emptiness of religion itself. /QUOTE]



i love this. you sit hear and put down any religion and all faith and say that it is a sort of way to kill and steal and what not yet, we live in a Godless nation where the moto is save the trees, kill the children. are you serious man? religion should be taken as tarot cards and crystal balls? RELIGION is messed up, its been twisted by man and been indoctrinated with selfish brainwashing poisons. BUT, that does not mean that christianity or my God is rubbish. you refuse Christ and His teachings cuz you didnt agree with what you were taught as a child, your grown now, search for truth in your own way and you will find Christ at the end my friend.

[StreetHazard]

I agree with almost all of those "Satanic Sins" yet I'm far from being a satanist. This is like labeling everyone that is left-handed as homosexuals, or saying people that eat donuts have aids. One thing has nothing to do with the other. None of those "Sins" have anything to do with praising satan or being evil.

Again, Its teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and "eye for an eye" morality. Unlike Theistic Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists are atheists, agnostics, and Deists who regard Satan as a symbol of man's inherent nature. According to religioustolerance.org (http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm), LaVeyan Satanism is a "small religious group that is unrelated to any other faith, and whose members feel free to satisfy their urges responsibly, exhibit kindness to their friends, and attack their enemies"

Anyone that lives their life Godless by the Abrahamic religious point of view, could almost concider themselves Satanic.That would be up to the individual to decide whether or not they self-identify with the philosophies put forth by the concept of Modern Non-Thestic Satanism.

Here are more


The Nine Satanic Statements
Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years![16]
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth


Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s lair, show them respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. (see sexual harrassment.)
Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved. (see stealing.)
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm young children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

[StreetHazard]

sorry about the color of the copy and paste, I am very busy sinning over this winter solstice and I am way to fucked up to figure out how to change the color.

[StreetHazard]

i love this. you sit hear and put down any religion and all faith and say that it is a sort of way to kill and steal and what not yet, we live in a Godless nation where the moto is save the trees, kill the children. are you serious man? religion should be taken as tarot cards and crystal balls? RELIGION is messed up, its been twisted by man and been indoctrinated with selfish brainwashing poisons. BUT, that does not mean that christianity or my God is rubbish. you refuse Christ and His teachings cuz you didnt agree with what you were taught as a child, your grown now, search for truth in your own way and you will find Christ at the end my friend.


I think you also might need to re-read what I wrote before. There really shouldn't be any question of where I get my viewpoint from, they are from what I perceive as real life. I will address this "a Godless nation where the moto is save the trees, kill the children".

Genesis 22:1-24 the story from the Bible in which God asks Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, on Mount Moriah when god was testing Abraham to see if he would actually kill his own son as a test of his loyalty. If you take your god at his word, and this falsely wise (if not jealous, wrathful, vindictive, hateful, obviously inhuman and down right vicious and evil) god obviously had no problem with ordering one of his own adhearents to kill his own son. Then why would you have such a problem with child killing? Your phony virtue and fake morality is meaningless to me...

A godless nation? I desire a godless world where this story holds no more weight than ones to be found in greek mythology, and next to it is exactly where the "Holy" Bible belongs. A god like this and the ignorance and hate his "wisdom" breeds in his believers are my enemy and whose ideas go against everything I know of right and wrong. Just rereading the "word of god" to place it here filled me with revulsion. And when it comes to your sacred imaginary character Jesus Christ.

For one it would take a far strech of the imagination to even believe that Christ even exisited at all, there is no evidence of his life outside of your bible even with all of his legendary accomplishments. His prophesied birth, his miraclous conception from a virgin, all of the miracles he performed, the life changing sermons he performed with his apostles to finally his ultimate masochistic act of allowing himself to be nailed to plank for our "sins". You would think someone of his time would have taken notice of all of these accomplishments, yet there is no mention of any of this from any scholars or historians of his time. We have records of other notable figures that are mentianed in the bible, but none of the individual the entire body of work is centered upon.

Even if Jesus was and somehow still (is) real, I just wish he would have asked us first before he went through with his cruxifiction. Because now I feel like I am being "billed for something I never ordered", or "being forced to pay for something that I already own". He killed himself for our "sins", for our human nature. And the message we are left with is if we do not give out lives over to him and his father we will roast in the fiery pits of hell for eternity, and I do not do very well existing under threats of punishment and damnation. Now there certainly is some wisdom to impart from his teachings, but definatly not enough for me to give my life over to him and call him my lord and master, I will sooner take a bullet straight through my skull than call ANYONE or ANYTHING my lord and master. No thank you Jesus but I am doing quite fine on my own.

If Jesus walked through my front door right now wearing TEVO sandles, dragging his bloodied cross and told me.

"I am here, I am real, give your life to me and follow my path, I will grant you joy and peace in this life and you will be in the house and kingdom of my father YAHWEH in the afterlife."

I would say

"Is your father home? Because THAT guy is a fucking asshole, and HIS house is the last place I want to go!"

[Starrfire]

^^^Well, at least to the last part that would give you something that Christianity lacks..."proof". I like what I'm seeing with this whole new glimpse into the so called nemesis of Christianity, whose views are not as different as those implied by the other.

[ash7]

StreetHazard is posting in this thread like he's trying to prove something to himself. :rolleyes:

Call me a "bad Christian" or whatever, but i avoid conversations with people like this as they'll allllways have something smart to say simply because my faith is exactly that - FAITH.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Hebrews 11:1

Which means that while i cannot prove what i believe with physical evidence, i can see the workings of Christ in others lives, as well as my own. Satanism, (regardless of the "brand" referred to) is just good ol' fashioned Narcissism. It's a very easy religion to follow as it adheres to the "every man for himself" principle instead of the "every man for others" mindset.

If i may refer to the OP, i believe he is correct. From a Christian's point of view, things of this world (example: the WL), is not of Christ. Therefore it is of Satan. The Bible clearly draws this line in 1John 4:4 which says: "You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."

There are two entities at work in this life, the darkness and the light. I have made my decision, and do my best to live by example in order to lead others to salvation.
-jonathan

[StreetHazard]

If I belived in something, but never proved it by acting on it...then that would make me full of shit. And I like writing and sharing ideas, I am just glad I am protected by that whole "freedom of speech" thing or this page alone could get me killed.

[Starrfire]

The downfall of Christianity is that it is not living for others for MOST Christians. If it was, it would be like the entire country would be enacting the entire movie, "Yes Man". Living for yourself has such a much smaller gray area, not to say that you can't help someone out every now and then. But to claim to live for others is in my eyes not what 97% of Christians are doing, making the religion as a whole faulty in my eyes.

I believe that people are put on this planet to do a job, and to serve others with their work. Not to be their welfare but do a service that they can use/buy. I am not a Christian but like their values and the Satanic values alike, I pick and choose how I live and it isn't because someone wrote it down and said, "this is how IT IS because I said so, and I don't have any proof either".

Religion is moral cancer.

[geoff]

no proof of Jesus ever existing or His miracles huh?


Cornelius Tacitus,Flavius Josephus,Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, and Lucian. there are also numerous writings from jewish historians and philosophers that wrote about Jesus the man and the miracles He did but from a non believer point. there is no arguing that a man named Jesus was born and started a ministry and performed great things and preached and was crucified and that christianity was founded by Him. its faith that He was God in flesh and the same God of the jews that christians believe.

now before you say this has no standing or that you just blow it off, consider this, do you know that george washington was real or king tut or julius caesar, ect...any historical figure that died before modern technology? no you dont, you believe because there is historical writings of them by credible sources.

[StreetHazard]

no proof of Jesus ever existing or His miracles huh?

is that all Geoff?

sigh....for those that are lazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Greco-Roman_sources), maybe not for biblical researchers (which is almost a contradiction in terms like claiming creationism is a form of science) but historical scholars.

His story almost mirrors exactly those found in more ancient religions like Mesopotamia, in Greek mythology and in the worship of Mithras. so why should I believe the one portrayed in the new testament as the "true" story? But sadly all of this doesn't really matter at all....because you believe I will burn in the fiery pits of Hades, in terrible agony...for all eternity because I have turned my back on the Son, the father, and the Holy spirit, which also makes any point you are trying to make the equivalent of taking a shit in a glass of water and expecting me to drink it.

I could cure Cancer, AIDS, develop technology that ends world hunger and colonize mars, but I would STILL be judged into eternal damnation by your narcissistic, murderous and jealous god. So you see, it does not really matter if he existed or not.

[geoff]

1. that link actually supports my side
2. there are similarities of the stories, EXCEPT for the part of Jesus being real and eye witnesses to His life and miracles. whether some want to argue the authenticity of parts or some words, they can all agree that Jesus was real. can they say that about mohamed or buhda or kirshna or who ever else......no
3. did you really try and use wikipedia to prove something?
4. what exactly did you teach me here?

[StreetHazard]

Geoff....I am not going to continue this if you refuse to read what I said

I will even go so far as say Jesus IS real and he outside of my house waiting for me to pull the nails out of his arms.

[IMPORTchic]

EDIT!!!!!!! RAM AKA ATLBLKZ06 hacked my computer right in front of me! I have no dogs in this fight!!!!!

[jorgen]

and the flesh will wage war against the soul.

just two sides to the same story.

[Total_Blender]

2. there are similarities of the stories, EXCEPT for the part of Jesus being real and eye witnesses to His life and miracles.

Tell me about the specific texts within which eyewitnesses on Jesus Christ wrote about him in his own lifetime. The main one touted by Christians that I am aware of is Josephus, and that has been debated by modern scholars as the original text has not survived and the existing text may have been altered by a translator. Also, the Testimonium Flavium was not written during the Earthly lifetime of Jesus, and is not an eyewitness account.

All of the other Roman accounts such as Pliny, etc are about the Early Christians and not so much about the man Christ himself, as these accounts were written after Christ's death (and "resurrection" if that's what you believe). I am unaware of any first-person eyewitness account of Jesus Christ from a Roman source.:screwy:

[geoff]

can you give me an eyewitness account of socratese, plato, or on many of the big historical figures. just as with some composers and painters, most writings of these people, bethoven, van goh, picaso, Jesus, ect...were not of the great things they did while they were alive but it was when these great men were gone that more interest and the writings happened.

[EJ25RUN]

can you give me an eyewitness account of socratese, plato, or on many of the big historical figures. just as with some composers and painters, most writings of these people, bethoven, van goh, picaso, Jesus, ect...were not of the great things they did while they were alive but it was when these great men were gone that more interest and the writings happened.

Is this all you ever talk about? Cause you seem like the most closed mind person I've ever seen on the site.

[geoff]

closed minded? i just call em as i see em bro.

[EJ25RUN]

closed minded? i just call em as i see em bro.

I don't think so. You have a set agenda and don't allow any opposing view or opinion to have any merit.

I.e closed minded.

[Starrfire]

I don't actually see any writings of Jesus anywhere. Just other people hundreds of years later, and even then they are just stories. Beethoven, Socrates, Plato, Galileo, Bach, all have writings of their own. The bible is a fairy tale to teach people how to live, and today many of its teachings in the current world will not be tolerated anyways.

[StreetHazard]

To a christian all of this does not really matter because any notion of proof negates the need for "faith". Personally I am well past the debates on whether or not Christ lived at all or the historical accuracy of the bible itself. Abrahamic religion is doing nothing more than trying to pull the human race back to the stone age. And by it's very nature is destructive to humanity and the human spirit. I don't give a shit if god and Jesus are real or not, their ideas are destroying this planet I have to live on.

If I had an illustration of a set of scales and listed all of the good things religion has created then went through and listed the bad, which way do you think those scales would tip? The bad end would be bottomed out on the ground....To me religion is a growing cancer that is completely out of control. I remember when I first saw those 2 planes fly into the towers in '01. After I regained my composure after the initial shock and actually began to digest what I saw, my first thought was. " This is the destructive nature of religion "

Everywhere I went, seeing all the sad faces, all the prayers that were offered in gods name and all I could think of is "this IS your god, YOUR god caused this, this is a holy war sanctified by your god and the people that share your beliefs are the ones responsible".

Now of course Christians will say "it was Muslims that did this (and are still at it, and going strong) and I am not a Muslim and I certainly do not share their ideals" But to me the only difference between christians and muslims is just semantics. Here are some passages from the Bible regarding Holy War.

1. The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

2. The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19

3. And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35

4. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities....

And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

5. And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34

6. And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16

7. If thou shalt hear say ... Certain men ... saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known ... Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:12-15

8. When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. ... But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them ... as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-17

9. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

10. So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

11. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20

12. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3

13. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:8-9

14. He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34

15. That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23

16. Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1

17. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

18. He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36


and from the Qu'ran


1. Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out ... if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 2:191

2. Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you. 2:216

3. Fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward. 4:74

4. Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76

5. They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. 4:89

6. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant. 4:91

7. The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom. 5:33

8. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 8:12

9. When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end. Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw. 8:15-17

10. And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. 8:59-60

11. Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. 8:65

12. It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. 8:67

13. Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5

14. If they ... assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief ... Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them. 9:12-14

15. O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. 9:73

16. Believers ... shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. 9:111

17. O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you. 9:123

18. Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks. 47:4


Christianity has been so repressive for so long, practically since it's adoption by the Romans that just into this last century the religious institutions had to start remaking their image just to stay in business. In 1979, the Pope soon after taking office a Vatican committee decided the Inquisition had acted in good faith, but was wrong. And 359 years later in 1992, the Church finally agreed at a ceremony in Rome, before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II officially declared that Galileo was right........finally.

Modern western christians have this remarkable ability to practice "selective worship". They are only choosing to acknowledge the positive things in the bible but are ignoring all of the evil orders and demands from god as "interpretation". Muslims are taking ALL of the Qur’an as the literal word of god.

The only good thing about a Christian is that they are NOT a Muslim, but that is just about only where I draw a distinction. Out of all 3 of the Abrahamic religions I think I like Jews the most because it seems to me (overall) they just want to be left the fuck alone. You do not really see them on internet forums trying to spread the gospel, or holding up signs to repent, or going door to door evangelizing or waging very long bloody wars in the name of god. Basically just not being really, really fucking annoying. But sadly the land they occupy was not given to them by "god" as much as there is no leprechaun at the end of a rainbow sitting on a pot of gold.

what a strange, strange world....

[Total_Blender]

can you give me an eyewitness account of socratese, plato, or on many of the big historical figures. just as with some composers and painters, most writings of these people, bethoven, van goh, picaso, Jesus, ect...were not of the great things they did while they were alive but it was when these great men were gone that more interest and the writings happened.

Actually Plato was a student under Socrates so they wrote detailed first person accounts of eachother within the same timeframe. There are also surviving texts from the lifetime of both men written about them by eyewitnesses.

Composers, painters, and other artists exist in their material works, also in their own letters and in the letters of their colleagues and friends as well as in civic records. There are surviving letters from Van Gogh, Beethoven, Picaso etc written in their own hand, and letters about them written by others. There is no direct archaelogical evidence of Jesus Christ during his time on Earth... everything found thusfar has been proven by experts to be modern forgeries.

[Glides]

I'm not agreeing with any of you....for to do so would violate

5. Herd Conformity

Satanism exalts the power of the individual. Western culture encourages people to go with the flow, and to believe and do things simply because the wider community is doing such. Satanists attempt to avoid such behavior, following the herd only if it makes logical sense and suits one’s own needs.

:D

[geoff]

present a ligit arguement and i will discuss. dont come at me with " its ridiculous, not enough proof, sounds bogus to me, ect" and expect to change my mind. as far as proof of Jesus any evidence i provide will NEVER be good enough cuz simply put a Godly lifestyle of sacrifice doesnt appeal to you. my greatest proof is this, look all around you. Jesus created everything you see. the trees, rocks, mountians, sky, ect...HE made it and its His physical proof. He left His signature on it and even gave you a written set of instructions and writing of His work.

[Starrfire]

I'm not agreeing with any of you....for to do so would violate

5. Herd Conformity

Satanism exalts the power of the individual. Western culture encourages people to go with the flow, and to believe and do things simply because the wider community is doing such. Satanists attempt to avoid such behavior, following the herd only if it makes logical sense and suits one’s own needs.

:D


I'm fine with that...

[Starrfire]

present a ligit arguement and i will discuss. dont come at me with " its ridiculous, not enough proof, sounds bogus to me, ect" and expect to change my mind. as far as proof of Jesus any evidence i provide will NEVER be good enough cuz simply put a Godly lifestyle of sacrifice doesnt appeal to you. my greatest proof is this, look all around you. Jesus created everything you see. the trees, rocks, mountians, sky, ect...HE made it and its His physical proof. He left His signature on it and even gave you a written set of instructions and writing of His work.


What a cop out, Jesus was a man, and many religions existed before him. Jesus is way after tree,rock,mountain,sky. Those were well established before he set foot on this planet.

[geoff]

if only you knew. Jesus created all these things. He established them. He made the rock,tree,mountain,sky,ect...

ej25run- you really hurt me by giving me a bad rep and saying its great to be jewish....NOT. nice try buddy. and what i dont understand is you say your jewish but do you know anything about your own faith, scripture, history, prophecy, anything? if you did then you would realize that we serve the SAME GOD

[Starrfire]

if only you knew. Jesus created all these things. He established them. He made the rock,tree,mountain,sky,ect...

ej25run- you really hurt me by giving me a bad rep and saying its great to be jewish....NOT. nice try buddy. and what i dont understand is you say your jewish but do you know anything about your own faith, scripture, history, prophecy, anything? if you did then you would realize that we serve the SAME GOD


You see the thing between you and me is that we both know the world didn't begin with Jesus. History existed long before. I mean the entire old testament was before his time.

Another thing is that we both don't know how the world began. I don't know and I don't care. But you seem to think you do, but can't seem to give any answers to back it up, just something written by someone else.
Pitiful really.:no:

[geoff]

we both know the world didnt begin with Jesus? i thought i was saying the contrary. maybe i was mistaken. the old testament was talking about Jesus. you dont know how the world began, i do. and im backing it up with just something else someone said? do you have a phd and have done studies and experiments and written papers to have some of your own words to prove your point? i didnt think so

[Starrfire]

No, but if I did have a Phd. I would still be full of shit. NONE know the beginning.

But apparently since you have written a few papers, and have this internet Phd, you know so please don't tell us.

[StreetHazard]

all this Jesus talk is really bumming me out, what does any of this have with praising the deep dark one?

If you want to get an introduction to the Satanic archetype, look at Goethe and Lord Byron's Prometheus:

"Here I sit, I form humans
After my own image;
A race, to be like me,
To sorrow, to weep,
To enjoy and delight itself,
And to heed you not at all –
Like Me!"

"Thy Godlike crime was to be kind,
To render with thy precepts less
The sum of human wretchedness,
And strengthen Man with his own mind "

here are some Satanic Alters I found, Praise the goat!

[EJ25RUN]

if you did then you would realize that we serve the SAME GOD

Studied my faith in a private school. (Remember that thing exists if you want that for your kids) Oh wait, you're stuck on another planet so no.

Disagree.

You are a cult member.

We don't pray to the same god.

IA has established long before if you write about reps, then yes, you do care.

Mr. Cult.

[geoff]

my friend your Jehovah is my same Jesus

[Glides]

present a ligit arguement and i will discuss. dont come at me with " its ridiculous, not enough proof, sounds bogus to me, ect" and expect to change my mind. as far as proof of Jesus any evidence i provide will NEVER be good enough cuz simply put a Godly lifestyle of sacrifice doesnt appeal to you. my greatest proof is this, look all around you. Jesus created everything you see. the trees, rocks, mountians, sky, ect...HE made it and its His physical proof. He left His signature on it and even gave you a written set of instructions and writing of His work.

Hmm. I had to say this.

Jesus was the only begotten son of God, sent down to Earth (Which was already created when he got here) to suffer our sins. The Lord created the world...remember?

Are you sure you read the Bible?


we both know the world didnt begin with Jesus? i thought i was saying the contrary. maybe i was mistaken. the old testament was talking about Jesus. you dont know how the world began, i do. and im backing it up with just something else someone said? do you have a phd and have done studies and experiments and written papers to have some of your own words to prove your point? i didnt think so

Honestly, YOU have NO IDEA how the world began...because....are you ready....you are 21 freaking years old!.

What you DO know is this: You follow a faith. Like MANY others of MANY other religions, you follow it blindly and believe that your faith is better than all the others and that your faith is the true faith and that ll the others are false.

You know who else do this? Religious Extremists. Yes, those same wonderful cuddly people that strap themselves into vests made of explosives and kill innocent people IN CHURCHES all across the world.

So seriously, just shut up. You are NO DIFFERENT than ANY other religious wingnut who follows what they were told to follow.

*edit*

Let me add a bit here. There is nothign WRONG with your religion, other than the fact that people who belived like you, blindly, are responsible for more deaths than ANY other warfare combined in the world throughtout history. You might not be violent and enforce your ways, but those that commited the atrocities througout history probably were not either.....until they got power and then their ideals could be enforced.

There is nothing wrong with anything that one believes in. If it helps them to sleep through the night better, I support it.
If that's what makes you happy, go for it.

[StreetHazard]

The problem I have with religion is it's tendency to impose it's morals onto the rest of us, which when viewed with open eyes the hypocrisy is outright astounding. That is one good thing I like about the self proclaimed "religion of peace"...Islam, other than the synchronized bowing and praying which I think is pretty cool, is now we all get to see 1st hand the destructive power of a theocratic society, and of religion itself.

If we let this god dictate our morality and set the standard for our laws it will always lead to tyranny and repression of free-thought.

ALWAYS

And I am tired of letting this ignorance rule in my community and run rampant across the globe. look at this new article here (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html). If you do not have a serious problem with this then there really is something wrong with you.

Then again I think I have made my stand on this issue perfectly clear and there really isn't anything to debate

Ill post the new "Anti-homosexuality law 2009" Ugandan law (http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/anti-homosexuality-bill-2009.pdf) for the lazy ones but you need acrobat reader installed







You can now refer to me as a Satanic Evangelist or a Militant aggressive Atheist, although I am still not sure if words can properly describe my views. Like Islam being a religion of peace, or creationism being a form of science. When words are used in this manner, they simply lose all of their meaning.

Praise the funky goat

HAIL SATAN

[Starrfire]

^^^that's awesome, Go Christians(I mean shallow minded fools with agendas)

[Glides]

Well, if you look at things at face value.

Warriors for God - Humans be scared, cause they will kill you for not believing what they believe.

Warriors for Satan - The Goat population needs to be worried.

Sure, in the eternal struggle the Devil is supposed to be the bad guy, but honestly, all I see killing massive amounts of people is the disagreements between whose religion is right.

Lame.

[PSINXS]

Satan isnt that bad of a guy.

all religion belongs to him. christianity, catholicism, judaism, etc. The world's empire of religion is FALSE. None of it holds true. either way u give satan his backing whether you believe it, know it, or not.

there is only one religion that points that main fact out. but at the same time, I dont fully trust them either. I am happy with death. I dont care if people are going to live forever in paradise. Death is imminent either way I go and the vast majority of those thinking they will reap that reward are just as dead as me. Somebody just end this world already. God, satan who the fuck ever.

[Total_Blender]

all religion belongs to him. christianity, catholicism, judaism, etc. The world's empire of religion is FALSE. None of it holds true.

there is only one religion that points that main fact out. .

Not necessarily... among the far Eastern religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc), most practitioners realize that their practices are really just a guide to self realization that they it is possible to achieve on one's own. I remember reading something to that effect in the Bhagavad Gita, anyway.

[PSINXS]

Not necessarily... among the far Eastern religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc), most practitioners realize that their practices are really just a guide to self realization that they it is possible to achieve on one's own. I remember reading something to that effect in the Bhagavad Gita, anyway.

i can agree with that somewhat.

but isnt satanism about enlightenment too?

[Paul]

i haven't read this thread yet, but i have read all of laveys work - alot of his work is inspired by crowley who spoke of himself as the beast. for the most part if you get through the ritualistic portions of the satanic bible it makes a lot of sense. "do what thou wilt" is basically what the basis of the religion focuses on. in essence you should embrace your animal instincts and do as you please which is very interesting concept in western society; considering we basically live by this motto yet many worship christ.

[StreetHazard]

I will give credit to this from a facebook friend of mines bio

Satanica Natas

Satanism is a Religion as well as a Life Style. It has many forms and many faces, yet they all deserve to be called Satanism. Most of the religions of the world have a couple different denominations within the same belief system, the same holds true in Satanism. To my knowledge there are Traditional or Spiritual Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists, Rebel Satanists and Modern Satanists. This does not mean a Satanist is limited to one type or style, perhaps some Satanists may be a little bit of all of these definitions. These are to give you a general idea of the denominations. I will touch on each of them and give a general description to help the readers better understand each one. I will provide much more details and information on Modern Satanism simply because that is how I live my life and what I chose to consider myself.

Traditional or Spiritual Satanism - Also called Theistic Satanism or Luciferianism, is the oldest known form of Satanism. It has been around for Thousands of years and has even been traced back to the Roman times before the christian lord and savior "Jesus Christ" ever walked the Earth. The Traditional Satanists do actually claim the existence of a Satan or Lucifer as a "Higher Power or a Guiding Force." The Traditional Satanists don't literally worship Satan or Lucifer as their God. Those misconceptions have been created by the church and other nae sayers who want their respective religions to flourish on the fear of society. The Traditional Satanist looks at Satan or Lucifer as a "Father Figure" and idolize him in that capacity. It is in my understanding that some Traditional Satanists have performed a Sacrificial Ritual, but it is not required in their beliefs. Some Traditional Satanists touch on Demonology and go a lot deeper into that aspect of the spiritual realms.

LaVeyan Satanism - LaVeyan Satanism is a label given to Satanists found mostly within but is not limited to the Church of Satan™ members. Anton Szandor LaVey founded the Church of Satan™ in October of 1966. A.S. LaVey was a very outgoing Satanist who helped propel Satanism and bring it into the publics eye. A.S. LaVey has 5 books written by him, and several others written about him since. The most popular of these 5 is "The Satanic Bible." The contents of the book might not have originated on LaVeys desk, but he compiled the information in such a way as to literally spark a (r)evolution in your mind. This book alone has brought A.S. LaVey and the Church of Satan™ millions of dollars as well as thousands of members. It is a good read and should be the platform for which to build your lifestyle, beliefs, and thoughts. A.S. LaVey is only a man, a philosopher, and the founder of the Church of Satan™, but there are many out there who have chosen to Idolize HIM while at the same time they are a Satanist. This is where the LaVeyan Satanist term is coined.

Rebel Satanism - Rebel Satanism is a form of Satanism where you find the most misfits and social outcasts. This is the form of Satanism that actually brings Satanists in general a bad name. They are the rebellious teenagers and the drug addicts who might not have ever even read The Satanic Bible and just use the "evil image" of Satanism as a release. I am not trying to imply that "Goth's" are social outcasts and degenerates in their rebellious ways, but this type of Rebel Satanism is such and commonly associated with Gothic Lifestyles. I have actually found some of the most thoughtful, kind, and intelligent people in the world are the freaks who wear spikes, black clothes and ragged hair. Being a Rebel Satanist is usually a phase and they move on to something else shortly after it gets "old" or they actually pick up a book or two with a "cooler" belief system.

Modern Satanism - Modern Satanism is what the majority of Satanists are in this Century. There are several Orders, Temples, Guilds, Grottos, and Churches who have popped up since the Church of Satan™ began to change their ways and members broke off. The two biggest ones: The Temple of Set™, and the First Church of Satan™ were both founded by previous members of the Church of Satan™. Modern Satanism is very similar to LaVeyan Satanism only you wont see as many "LaVeyan" supporters. This does not mean LaVey is frowned upon, or walked on, but he is only one individual in the world, and we Modern Satanists tend to always want more.

Modern Satanism is a belief system that empowers the individual to be their own God, to be their own caretaker. This does not mean you cannot have a partner in life, a significant other, or a loved one. It means you take care of yourself as opposed to prayer and false hopes asked of a God or complete stranger to do it for you. You are supposed to accept your own responsibilities and be able to accept the outcome of your actions. As a Modern Satanist, you should not depend on a myth to pay for your actions. The stories that some Jesus Christ came to Earth and has paid for your sins does NOT mean you are above the laws today, and you will be held liable for any crimes committed.

As a Modern Satanist, You thank YOURSELF for all the hard work and repetition of a task to perfect it, not some man made God. You are the one who soaked many a rag with your sweat and hard labor to become what you are. You need not thank any higher power for these skills. You would want to thank family, friends, and coworkers for their support, and comforting they have provided along the way.

It is common to find a Modern Satanist who chooses not to be apart of ANY of the Orders or Organizations about and wants only individualism. Herd Mentality is something commonly found in the Christian or Catholic Church where you're made to feel as nothing without paying them your money, or having someone else in your life. Satanism per se teaches Self-ism and Individuality. Some Satanists refuse to "join" in on anything and it makes them more comfortable being "solo." Modern Satanism as a whole is NOT Anti-Christianity. Satanism is Anti-Stupidity. (some Satanists may be anti-christian, but surely not all of us.) There are Anti-Religious people in every aspect and every walk of life. Satanism per se, does not speak of opposing Christianity and destroying everything they believe in. I have always tried to spread Religious Tolerance, and the rest of the Satanic Community, for the most part, feels the exact same way.

Modern Satanism is not full of Hate and Racism. Satanism, by some, has been considered an Elitist Belief System. This is simply because as a Satanist you should always stride to better yourself. Never settling for second best, and Never think of anyone as being better than yourself. "Second Place is The First Loser". The Teachers whom we encounter in life have the knowledge to pass along, and the experience of doing it before you, this does not make then BETTER than you. There is segregation in every walk of life. It is NOT the Satanic Communities who house and support the Race oriented, Hate groups, or other Militant Factions, now is it? Yet there are militant and ignorant Satanists who feel they want to take the law into their own hands and end up harming people unnecessarily.

We as Americans have the 1st Amendment right to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. What most Americans do not understand is this: You have Freedom of Speech, the right to say anything you want to say, but this does not mean you are exempt of the ramifications of your words. The Freedom of Religion means you should be able to worship, and or believe as you see fit. Regardless of social acceptance and scrutiny, be it that it is within the boundaries of the law. At times I'm led to believe Christianity is above Freedom of Religion because if you don't believe what they do "you're wrong", "you're insane", "you need help", or my favorite one is, "you're going to hell!". I am sure not all of the sheep think this way, but enough of them do.

Freedom of Religion means ANY RELIGION!

Modern Satanism is Anti-Stupidity. Satanists are challenged to think for themselves. Satanists are challenged to use their mind. To question what does NOT seem right to them, and to NOT accept something as fact simply "because it has always been done this way!". It is pure Stupidity to follow the crowd and not know where it is going. Know where you are and what you want, this always makes it easier to get there in tact. Satanism, as with ANY religion, has Dogma. These are Basic Rules and Guidelines in which to live by, and to better yourself by. Satanism is a religion that is very flexible, and allows you to be yourself in dress, attitude and life.



Popular Opinions and Stereotypes - I am writing this little section to point out the wrong opinions, and typical stereotypes that have nothing what so ever to do with Satanism, Myself, or what I believe in. You can also visit my "FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS" page and get a few ideas. I know this list is shared by a lot of my friends, and surely some of them might erase an entry or two. I have grown short on patience for some of the stereotypes the Christian church has given Satanism and Satanists in general, here they go in no particular rank or order, just how they come to me as I write;

As a Satanist, I do NOT... Kill Animals for torture or ritual.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... Kill Humans for torture or ritual.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... worship a christian myth named SATAN.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... hate christianity, I simply ignore it and live my own life.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... do drugs, I do drink socially and nothing more.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... rape women, I have a healthy and consensual sex life..
As a Satanist, I do NOT... hate life in general, I am very happy and love life.
As a Satanist, I do NOT... hold anyone or anything higher than myself.

As a Satanist, I DO ... Love Animals, I have a few of my own.
As a Satanist, I DO ... support the death penalty, and oppose crime.
As a Satanist, I DO ... hate ignorance, it's simply unacceptable.
As a Satanist, I DO ... work, own my own car, pay bills and taxes.
As a Satanist, I DO ... love my friends and family, no one else.
As a Satanist, I DO ... respect my elders, they've taught me much.
As a Satanist, I DO ... believe in Religious Tolerance, it's your right.

I will add more Do's and Do Not's as they come to me, but you get the general idea. I get along well with others, and have plenty friends, most of them simply don't need to know my beliefs.


Below are some words or names and their meaning from "MY" point of view.


Religious Tolerance - Both of my parents are Christian. From the day I was born my mother has never made me go to church, or believe in what she believes. I have never been baptized, and never will. She has answered every question I have ever had, even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear. She told me she still loves me no matter what I believe in, because I am her flesh and blood... I am her son. She has always had religious symbols or literature visible and accessible but has never once forced me to learn anything about them. I fail to see why so many other people, maybe not you or anyone you know, dismiss or disown people simply because they don't believe in what they believe in, or see things the same way they see things. I have written society off. I honestly feel there is no hope and no chance there will ever be TRUE "Religious Tolerance". I am even guilty or making snide remarks about Christians and then find myself holding my tongue because my friend sitting next to me playing poker is Christian.

Satan - To the Modern Satanist, Satan represents everything life should be. In The Satanic Bible, LaVey states SATAN represents Indulgence, Vital Existence, Undefiled Wisdom, Kindness to those who deserve it, Vengeance, Responsibility, Man as just another Animal, and All of the so-called Sins. Freewill, Freethinking, and a Free lifestyle is actually ANTI-Church. The church does NOT want you to stray from their teachings and their money plate. If you start to think for yourself, and live life for yourself, you have become tainted in their belief system and you're a devil worshipper. SATAN is just the word for some boogieman they needed to keep their sheep from going astray. The being/deity/entity "Satan" was made up by the Christians to take the fall for their sins, pleasure, wrong doings, etc... They needed someone to be their scapegoat. When Christianity came into play, the EXISTING GODS of the Egyptians, Indian, Greeks, etc.. were all turned into Devil's. The Literal being/deity/entity simply DOES NOT exist. I am sure you can ask a Christian and they would say he exists, something has to be the reasoning behind their fears and doubts and momentary loss of reason.

The Devil - Another name for Satan, and something we're always accused of worshiping. I might be a horny little devil, but surely I do NOT worship The devil. hehe. ok

Lucifer - The name of a said "angel" who was cast out of Heaven by god himself for questioning his actions. Surely someone with a mind of their own would question something if it did not seem right to them. Surely someone with wisdom would know the outcome of certain things before they are done. Is it wrong to question your superiors? Is it wrong to think freely, or to think differently? This is also another name for Satan. He has many, many names the Christians have chosen for him. blah

God - I am my own GOD! I am using this topic however to address the Christian god, so, lately I have heard so much about him it makes me sick. I am more scientific in nature than spiritual, and if I can not smell, touch, see, hear, or taste it... it does not exist. Every day there are "miracles" of life happening this guy gets credit for. Ever heard of chance? Circumstance? Fate? I am sorry but breathing is not a miracle, it is a natural function of the human body. I hear this guy loves everyone. And will forgive you for all of your sins. I bet we Satanists really piss him off every now and then. I'd like to know I am the thorn in someone's side from time to time. This is another being, deity, force, spirit which simply DOES NOT exist. I do not have blind faith, and frown at the masses who simply do.

Jesus - The son of god. "Pallid Incompetence Hanging On A Tree", [Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible] The way the Christians speak of this guy you would think he was Satan himself! The end of the world is coming, and he is going to be their savior. To bring them to the promised lands. To kill each and every Christian on earth and take them with him to their heaven. They are the ones who need help, who need to be saved, not I. To the Modern Satanist, Heaven and Hell is a state of mind, not a place of being.

Christianity - ( Or should I say EXTREME Christianity. I know I can NOT lump all Christians into my definitions. I have gotten some awesome e-Mails about this website, and most from "normal" Christians. ) A true DEATH CULT if there ever was one. I have never read, witnessed, nor heard of another CULT so obsessed with death. I hear all the time how their messiah is coming to bring them into heaven. Friends, there is only one way to get into their heaven, through death. I have to admit, I am amused by some of the ways the Christians live...for example: They lust about all week, and fulfill their carnal desires only to show up on Sunday and beg forgiveness. If you are going to do something you enjoy, that makes you feel good, and you want to continue to do...why do you need to beg forgiveness???

Catholicism - A Confusing Religion. Same twists and turns as Christianity, with a few more rules to break. And their prayer services really floor me... Sit, Stand, Kneel... ahhhh. Done in Latin at times...that part is cool. If you have god in your heart, and can talk to god through prayer, Why would you need to go confess to a priest? What's the middle man for? I think the church has lost it's way and become a large monopoly. If you have faith, you don't need a church. The movie STIGMATA hit the nail on the head, You don't need a building to have faith. The church is no longer needed, and are only there to take your money. This should be in the next topic... so, I digress.

The Church - A building, isn't it? surely you jest. The church is even worse than the United States Government, when it comes to lying, cheating, stealing, and murder. The church was built on the premise that the flock need a place to go to worship. They collect your money and use it for their own needs, what ever they may be. If you believe in something, whether it is god, or nature, or Satan, would you need a building to worship them in? For having a god that's "omnipotent" why would you need to erect thousands of buildings to pray to him? It's a simple money laundering scam. The church and its tax-free status, and gambling even, within it's own walls. The best scam going on to date!

The Pope - The highest ranking Priest in the Catholic Church. The man who has the power to change the world, and even repress it for the best interest of the church. According to the Church, the Pope speaks to god! ::laughs:: Have you seen his clothes lately? This should tell you where all of your fucking money is going people. Check out the staff the guy holds, got enough Diamonds, Emeralds, Rubies, Sapphires, etc...The life this guys leads, and as many little boys as he wants.



I get asked all the time what the differences are between Atheism, Paganism and Satanism.
Here is a brief paragraph on both of the Questions.

Atheism vs. Modern Satanism - There are also those in life who consider themselves an Atheist. They claim no god, no Satan, no deity what so ever. Ahhhh, so you say, why is Satanism called Satanism and not "Atheism" if they both denounce Satan/god?!?! Both of them are Atheistic in Nature... But, here is where we are not the same... Satanists claim themselves to be their own god, Atheists do not. Most Satanists do not have a problem bearing the name Satanist, Atheists refuse to have any label what so ever. Which is fine, there's no need to "label" yourself unnecessarily. Satanists live a certain lifestyle which is of course a life that pleases them. Atheists also live whatever and however they see fit. With the 2 being so closely related, you'll see why and how we get along easily. The only real problem is, more often than not, the Satanist is egotistical and Self-Centered where the Atheist just don't give a shit. ( yes, this paragraph has been updated recently... I've grown quite fond of my significant other whom is Atheist, and some quality e-Mails have changed my point of view.)

Paganism vs. Modern Satanism - It is a common Christian misconception that Satanism and Paganism are the same. I know this because I see Pagan's being called devil worshippers just the same. It is a label that sheep use for what they don't understand, and refuse to open their eyes and see. Paganism is more Deistic in nature, as opposed to Atheistic, in that they claim a "higher power". Whether it is the god, or Goddess, or what ever they want, they believe in a higher power, and the Satanist does NOT. Satanists claim to be their own god, and holding nothing and no ONE above them spiritually. Pagan's try to be kind and hot harm people, where as a Satanist is polite by nature but if wronged can be the most deadly creature on the planet.

[geoff]

from all i just read this is the conclusion i as a christian came up with. the basic ideas of being a decent person in this world are the same. the only difference is that satanists dont like the idea of a higher authority and therefore rebel against God. i will say this tho, this writing really hit the nail on the head about hypocritical christians and those who put up a false face for the world to see and condemn everybody to hell. i personally will never tell anyone they are going to hell. im not God, who am i to judge anyone else when i myself struggle with things daily.

[StreetHazard]

I just have a problem with the "the Satanist is egotistical and Self-Centered where the Atheist just don't give a shit." part.


Atheist's do care...Atheist's care a lot about the truth and reality, but possibly even more so about freedom. Freedom which religion time and time again has proven itself to systematically infringe upon every chance it gets. Which all of those things combined help form our viewpoint. So to say we don't care is a gross understatement.

[Glides]

from all i just read this is the conclusion i as a christian came up with. the basic ideas of being a decent person in this world are the same. the only difference is that satanists dont like the idea of a higher authority and therefore rebel against God. i will say this tho, this writing really hit the nail on the head about hypocritical christians and those who put up a false face for the world to see and condemn everybody to hell. i personally will never tell anyone they are going to hell. im not God, who am i to judge anyone else when i myself struggle with things daily.

I gave y ou some positive reps man for this post. I salute you. :goodjob:

[revsk8erdude]

i love you guys, thank you so much for bringing light to this, ive been trying to tell people that for years but coming from a smaller more narrowminded conservative town people will look at you as a witch or what not. ive been a passionate member of this for about 4 years now and if there is anyone that needs some first hand questions awnsered, please let me know. and i have the satanic bible if anyone would be interested in reading it but for some reason cant get your own copy.

[EJ25RUN]

i personally will never tell anyone they are going to hell. im not God, who am i to judge anyone else when i myself struggle with things daily.

But telling them they are following the wrong path is just as bad.

[geoff]

im not trying to scream in anyones face that they are on the wrong path or going to hell. i try to do what my bible tells me to do and spread the gospel and tell people about my God. i have very strong belief and faith in my God. i will be first to say that the religion idea is crap. its whats wrong. nowhere in my bible does it say to be methodist, catholic, lutheran, ect....it says simply to have a deep loving relationship with God and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. if you believed how i believed and knew the love of God as i did you would want to spread it too

[StreetHazard]

I gave y ou some positive reps man for this post. I salute you. :goodjob:


and after all my long-winded posts I still get none...:(

:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:

[StreetHazard]

i love you guys, thank you so much for bringing light to this, ive been trying to tell people that for years but coming from a smaller more narrowminded conservative town people will look at you as a witch or what not. ive been a passionate member of this for about 4 years now and if there is anyone that needs some first hand questions awnsered, please let me know. and i have the satanic bible if anyone would be interested in reading it but for some reason cant get your own copy.


the Satanic Bible is available on the internet as a .pdf here (http://std.kku.ac.th/4830401674/The%20Satanic%20Bible.pdf) in case you lose your copy. ;)

[revsk8erdude]

the Satanic Bible is available on the internet as a .pdf here (http://std.kku.ac.th/4830401674/The%20Satanic%20Bible.pdf) in case you lose your copy. ;)

is that the whole motherfucking book?! damn! :goodjob: