One of the hardest CRXs I have ever seen.

[bigdare23]

If you're into track cars you should like this one.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/DSC04844.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/DSC04846.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/3.jpg



And before you type the word rice, just think and realize the car is for the track. :goodjob:


More info on the car.
http://www.crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=33936

[SloWRX]

rice.




lol j/k. i like it!

[jdm eg6]

looks good

[JDM-KID]

sick!



although the only thing i would change is the exhaust; looks like a fart can.lol.

[a94civicex]

i like it....but if the bleacher wing was off it would look better....

[silverDA]

why SO aggressive/

[DB4LYFE ™]

It might be nice... but by far not the HARDEST!!

~DB4LYFE

[-EnVus-]

i like it but nothings hard about a honda unless its that evo swapped civic lol

[bigdare23]

It might be nice... but by far not the HARDEST!!

~DB4LYFE


hence the title

"One of the hardest" CRXs I have ever seen ;)


Are there "nicer" CRXs? Yep, but there's only a few that look as aggressive as this one.

[DB4LYFE ™]

To each there own...

~DB4LYFE

[gen2freak]

If you're into track cars you should like this one.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/DSC04844.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/DSC04846.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/3.jpg



And before you type the word rice, just think and realize the car is for the track. :goodjob:


More info on the car.
http://www.crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=33936


i know what you mean homie!
sad others dont, when it comes to the term "hardest" not nicest

[Sol-Badguy]

I love it.

He's got a lot of work in it, looking at the original post.

[rbwdriven]

I've read that guys build thread so many times.

Truly lots of hours went into that car.

[Genji-Sama]

I like it and this is one case where a giant wing on the back actually helped the style of the car

[Turbodude06]

I like it, Its better with the corners yellow I think....

[sleepys4]

This one is nice!! Its a white with bronze wheels I saw on Hondatech a while back that was by far the cleanest.

[punkr6]

i know what you mean homie!
sad others dont, when it comes to the term "hardest" not nicest

x2, :goodjob:

[BABY J]

I can dig it. I has a 1st Gen CRX for sale ladies (shameless plug)- tee hee

[DustnU]

I would ride it fo sho!! Look good to me.

[Elbow]

Hardest? Is that like a Honda term?

[imprtguy_94]

its alright. id change the exhaust, get that spolier swaped since its a track car, and headlights would be swapped not bad though i guess

[BABY J]

Hardest? Is that like a Honda term?

no. it's a term used by people who are kool.

[VooDooXII]

I love it...very nice!

[uproot]

dude, that thing is SICK!!!

[bigdare23]

Hardest? Is that like a Honda term?


Why it has to be a Honda term? I know, you just saw that both of the words begin with the letter "H" and made a correlation didn't you. Good job :goodjob:

[cwhiteboy]

Looks just like my crx in forza. I've never read that build thread, maybe I will later. Looks good though.

[SlamminCRX]

damn shit look sick

[NovaScotia]

I wonder what it ran at Sebring.....

[K20Z1]

sick!



although the only thing i would change is the exhaust; looks like a fart can.lol.

i don't agree with u :no:

[Bug-Rex]

I like it, and most only like track cars, though I would say that the wing is pointless on that car.

[VooDooXII]

no. it's a term used by people who are kool.

That's "kool" with a "k!"

[DeeAOne]

looks pretty cool.

[DeeAOne]

I like it, and most only like track cars, though I would say that the wing is pointless on that car.why? you dont need downforce on the rear wheels just because its a front wheel drive car? :???:

[You_DTF?]

Dope.

[EJ25RUN]

Hardest? Is that like a Honda term?

That's what i'm trying to figure.

I see a CRX with a large wing.

Btw...most track CRXs i've seen are not allowed wings. :2cents:

[slow_hatch]

That's what i'm trying to figure.

I see a CRX with a large wing.

Btw...most track CRXs i've seen are not allowed wings. :2cents:

I think your getting "track" and "race" mixed up. :2cents:

[bigdare23]

That's what i'm trying to figure.

I see a CRX with a large wing.

Btw...most track CRXs i've seen are not allowed wings. :2cents:


And why is people trying to be "funny" by associating the term "hard" with hondas?!? It's a "slang" term that I incorporated in my vocabulary that means something looks aggressive. *palms head*



I have seen plenty of "track" CRXs with wings.

An example J's Racing CRX

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/jf_cole/SA400039.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/jf_cole/4-27-200714-22-17_0054.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/jf_cole/4-15-200611-10-27_0061.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/jf_cole/4-15-200606-21-55_0187.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l208/jf_cole/4-15-200606-17-25_0157.jpg


Another example is Hasport's CRX
http://www.progressauto.com/gallery/?photoGalleryCategoryID1=3&photoGalleryID=7

http://image.importtuner.com/f/9836245+w750+st0/0705_impp_05_z+touge_monster+hasport_honda_crx_fro ntview.jpg

http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/9051519/htup_0803_01_z+2007_super_lap_battle_buttonwillow+ hasport_crx+side_view.jpg

http://www.progressauto.com/ecom/images/photoGallery/7.236.800x600.CP2_3277.jpg

So I don't really know what you're trying to get at?!? :thinking:

[bloodline]

indeed looks pretty mean

[EJ25RUN]

I think your getting "track" and "race" mixed up. :2cents:

I don't consider Auto crossing racing so i don't see what you did there.

Track to me is off the street in a sanctioned event.


And why is people trying to be "funny" by associating the term "hard" with hondas?!? It's a "slang" term that I incorporated in my vocabulary that means something looks aggressive. *palms head*


I really don't care about the vocab you use. I won't ever be using it so don't worry.

Anyways, there are plenty of SCCA/NASA classes where wings wouldn't be allowed.

The J's and Hasports car is run in time attack events which have very few regs so its a run what you brought show.

Lets also put emphasis on what i've actually seen in real life and they look like this. I'm not saying there aren't other versions but the majority look like so.

http://www.lpiracing.com/livper/images/auto_pics/crx2005Solo2_4in.gif

[SandM]

car's not bad

[BABY J]

I like it, and most only like track cars, though I would say that the wing is pointless on that car.


Hmmm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3664/3473950799_2232a1b1fb_b.jpg
:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3457040177_b847a899cf_o.jpg
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3622/3653039364_80b0da31d8_b.jpg
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http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2036/381/30087690002_large.jpg

[BABY J]

And if you think time-attack is "auto-crossing" in a parking lot then you're a dork. Tell TAGE EVANSON that he is "just" autocrossing as he spanks up on 400hp EVOS in Super Lap. Noobs I swear.

[EJ25RUN]

And if you think time-attack is "auto-crossing" in a parking lot then you're a dork. Tell TAGE EVANSON that he is "just" autocrossing as he spanks up on 400hp EVOS in Super Lap. Noobs I swear.

Did you mean to say Auto crossing on a race circuit? Cause most auto cross events...are at parking lots.

[dallasb84]

Did you mean to say Auto crossing on a race circuit? Cause most auto cross events...are at parking lots.

yep just like tha NASA and SCCA events you were talking about.......


:gay:


the crx is not "hard" its "semi-Hard" okay jeethus chriths

[EJ25RUN]

yep just like tha NASA and SCCA events you were talking about.......
:gay:
the crx is not "hard" its "semi-Hard" okay jeethus chriths


....

What are you trying to say here? Is the smiley towards the SCCA/NASA or autocrossing/time attck?

[5speed]

The CRX is not hard or aggressive

But I know who is

[slow_hatch]

I don't consider Auto crossing racing so i don't see what you did there.

Track to me is off the street in a sanctioned event.

Did you not notice the pics were from Sebring? A racetrack ;)




I really don't care about the vocab you use. I won't ever be using it so don't worry.

Anyways, there are plenty of SCCA/NASA classes where wings wouldn't be allowed.

The J's and Hasports car is run in time attack events which have very few regs so its a run what you brought show.

Lets also put emphasis on what i've actually seen in real life and they look like this. I'm not saying there aren't other versions but the majority look like so.

http://www.lpiracing.com/livper/images/auto_pics/crx2005Solo2_4in.gif

So the "track" crxs in real life, without wings your referencing to are autocross cars??? Your confusing me. Did you read the link, those pictures are from it going out at Sebring, not a parking lot. Happen to see where he stated that he was building it for "time attack"??

BTW when did building a "Track" car have to conform to any rule/regulations? A "Race" car, yeah sure. See what I did there?

[EJ25RUN]

Did you not notice the pics were from Sebring? A racetrack ;)

My first trip to Sebring will be the 2010 12 Hour so I've never seen the paddock before.



So the "track" crxs in real life, without wings your referencing to are autocross cars??? Your confusing me. Did you read the link, those pictures are from it going out at Sebring, not a parking lot. Happen to see where he stated that he was building it for "time attack"??


I think people are misunderstanding what i wrote in the last part for something else.

I clearly wrote this, "I'm not saying there aren't other versions but the majority look like so."

With that, I was clearly stating that there are a wide variety of other race courses (such as Sebring/RA) that CRXs, (winged or otherwise) are being built for. In fact, there are plenty of RWD CRXs as well.

I was just saying that for what i have seen, the majority of CRXs at Autocross events (not time attack events) are restricted to not using wings because of the class the fall under. This is a statement relating to what i have actually seen in person. There are obviously ones (including autocross) that use some sort of wing/spoiler if the class so allows.

To add, you people keep saying that i think Autocross and Time attack are the same thing but..... Iin a way, they are.

In a time attack, the cones are replaced with chicanes, hairpins, and bends. But it's still a race against the clock.

Otherwise, why wouldn't a WRC tarmac stage be considered a time attack? IT WOULD!

Consider this, a rally event is run around a route closed to other traffic on what can be public roads. The event has a number of cars being timed over the same distance with the same obstacles in the form of corners. It is the same exact thing.

The argument of a rally not counting because it isn't held on a race track won't work either because on many occasions, rallies have incorporated proper road courses as one of the special stages. Silverstone and Brands Hatch are examples.

You people are looking at the words too deeply and associating them with trends. Time Attack is a time attack. Not what Super Street wants it to be.




BTW when did building a "Track" car have to conform to any rule/regulations? A "Race" car, yeah sure. See what I did there?

On most occasions actually. Especially regs related to safety. Most people build a car for a certain class of racing for the competition. This goes across the board for road coarse or drag strips. No one wants to build a car and only be allowed to participate in a test and tune. For the matter of the SCCA, there is usually a class for anything but you must make sure your class will fit in before you show up.

[Bug-Rex]

why? you dont need downforce on the rear wheels just because its a front wheel drive car? :???:

No, I am almost positive that the car does not reach speeds where a wing has any advantage.

[Bug-Rex]

Hmmm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3664/3473950799_2232a1b1fb_b.jpg
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3457040177_b847a899cf_o.jpg
:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3622/3653039364_80b0da31d8_b.jpg
:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2036/381/30087690002_large.jpg

Lol. Just because "street/track" cars have a wing does not mean they automatically need one. I bet those cars would post almost exact same lap times if they removed them...

Good job defending big ass wings though...;)

[slow_hatch]

Lol. Just because "street/track" cars have a wing does not mean they automatically need one. I bet those cars would post almost exact same lap times if they removed them...

Good job defending big ass wings though...;)

You sir, are a Idiot :goodjob: Aerodynamics play a big role in car racing. I would guarantee that if you removed that "big wing" and front splitter they wouldn't be able hit anywhere near the same lap times.

[Bug-Rex]

You sir, are a Idiot :goodjob: Aerodynamics play a big role in car racing. I would guarantee that if you removed that "big wing" and front splitter they wouldn't be able hit anywhere near the same lap times.

Oh my gosh. Wow. Whats Aerodynamics?

Before you "school" me in aerodynamics, try designing them for a Formula 500 car, then come insult me.

[slow_hatch]

Oh my gosh. Wow. Whats Aerodynamics?

Before you "school" me in aerodynamics, try designing them for a Formula 500 car, then come insult me.

No need to school you, you obviously know everything there is to know about aerodynamics :rolleyes:

[Bug-Rex]

Before people start getting all pissed, I am just saying that if you read the specs on this particular CRX, (depending on the weight of the car) it will not reach the speeds or make the power in which a wing is needed to produce down-force that can be taken advantage from.

[Bug-Rex]

No need to school you, you obviously know everything there is to know about aerodynamics :rolleyes:

Never said that at all. Aero is such a deep subject, it would take years to actually learn it all.

Your sarcasm is idiotic.

[slow_hatch]

Never said that at all. Aero is such a deep subject, it would take years to actually learn it all.

Your sarcasm is idiotic.

Well I'd like for you to tell Tage Evanson, the owner of that white EG, to remove his wing off b/c it isn't doing anything. That would be idiotic. I assume that it plays a significant role in turning lower lap times considering what that car has done. I'm sure people wouldn't put them on track cars if they didn't help(well must people:rolleyes:)

[Bug-Rex]

Well I'd like for you to tell Tage Evanson, the owner of that white EG, to remove his wing off b/c it isn't doing anything. That would be idiotic. I assume that it plays a significant role in turning lower lap times considering what that car has done. I'm sure people wouldn't put them on track cars if they didn't help(well must people:rolleyes:)

Exactly my point. I don't know who Tage Evasion is, but I assume his car actually needs his wing. The CRX that the thread was made for I would argue does not need one.

[bigdare23]

I really don't care about the vocab you use. I won't ever be using it so don't worry.



So what was the point of quoting simontibbett then? It seem like you were trying to get at something.

[bigdare23]

Oh my gosh. Wow. Whats Aerodynamics?

Before you "school" me in aerodynamics, try designing them for a Formula 500 car, then come insult me.


I just love when people come in threads and try to throw their "weight" around because of their "personal experiences". All we know you could a wikipedia scholar, and could just be making up stuff to defend you point.


Anyways, I done battling with people in this thread! Have fun arguing among yourselves. :goodjob:

[Bug-Rex]

Its what makes forums fun to read. :D

[EJ25RUN]

So what was the point of quoting simontibbett then? It seem like you were trying to get at something.

From my entire post, that's the only thing you quote?

It seems like you are actually the one to get at something while i'm just here for the tech talk.

Ie not "hardest."

[bigdare23]

From my entire post, that's the only thing you quote?

It seems like you are actually the one to get at something while i'm just here for the tech talk.

Ie not "hardest."



I love how people try to flip the script :lmfao:


Slow_hatch actually pretty much summed up everything for me. So no point on beating a dead horse. ;) That's why I only focused one part of your post :goodjob:

You took the time to quoted someone's post like you're trying to cosign their "attempt" to be funny. Then when I pointed you out on it, you "don't care". Just seems like kinda of hypocritical.

Anyways I'm done with it. Have fun with your response.

[Bug-Rex]

Anyways I'm done with it. Have fun with your response.





Anyways, I done battling with people in this thread! Have fun arguing among yourselves. :goodjob:

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr50/Bug-Rex/o-rly-putin1.jpg

[bigdare23]

I posted a picture of gutted CRX with a wing (that actually get put on a track) and I get so much negativity. Someone post a Hondas with 15x10in rims 0 offset, -10 camber, slammed with a built turbocharger GSR (oxymoron isn't it) and it get 10 pages of props. Ironic isn't it :lmfao:

[bigdare23]

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr50/Bug-Rex/o-rly-putin1.jpg


What can I say? I was that kid, after winning a fight I continued to throw rocks at you as you ran home. :lmfao:

[Bug-Rex]

I seem to have missed where you "won"...?

[cwhiteboy]

^No, you seemed to have missed where the battle even began, because it never did.

[Bug-Rex]

Gotcha.

[EJ25RUN]

I love how people try to flip the script :lmfao:

Slow_hatch actually pretty much summed up everything for me. So no point on beating a dead horse. ;) That's why I only focused one part of your post :goodjob:

You took the time to quoted someone's post like you're trying to cosign their "attempt" to be funny. Then when I pointed you out on it, you "don't care". Just seems like kinda of hypocritical.

Anyways I'm done with it. Have fun with your response.

Yes. I flip the script "hard." (I think)

Anyways, me and slow hatch decided to discuss this through pms since neither he nor i understood each other and felt a back and forth on here would waste space. He and I are on the same page now.

Is the hypcritical part about Simon's post? BabyJ's post? Your post or someone else's? Please clarify as i have quoted quite a few people.

[Bug-Rex]

This thread has too many conversations going on.

[87 Turbo II]

This thread has too many conversations going on.

Hi, what's your favorite food?

[BABY J]

Hi, what's your favorite food?

^^ I like "wings". What's yours?

[BABY J]

Exactly my point. I don't know who Tage Evanson is, but I assume his car actually needs his wing.

Why is that? Bc he has a kool name? Or is it b/c you have the wind-tunnel/track data for his car (or one similar) that allows you to "assume" this even though you don't know who he is??


The CRX that the thread was made for I would argue does not need one.

Why would you argue this, yet support Tage's setup? What speeds need to be attained for a 2g CRX to benefit from such a wing??

[J-ROCK]

looks mean as hell but im not feeling the headlights! but to each his own

[EJ25RUN]

^^ I like "wings". What's yours?

Philly Cheese-steak owns your wings. :yes:

[Bug-Rex]

Why is that? Bc he has a kool name? Or is it b/c you have the wind-tunnel/track data for his car (or one similar) that allows you to "assume" this even though you don't know who he is??



Why would you argue this, yet support Tage's setup? What speeds need to be attained for a 2g CRX to benefit from such a wing??

I DO NOT know who he is and was taking Slow Hatch's word that "Tage Evasion" actually benefits from a wing.

I DO have access to a wind tunnel as a matter of fact and have used it MANY times. Thanks for asking.


Oh my god. READ PLEASE! How do you know THIS CRX pulls 2g's?????????

Based on what the link about the car says, there is absolutely not a single piece of evidence that leads anyone to believe that THIS CRX pulls 2g's.

Edit: Wait, what the hell, What even leads you to believe that ANY CRX can pull 2g's?? :screwy: I think that is what you meant when you said "2g." Correct me if I misread.

[BABY J]

I DO NOT know who he is and was taking Slow Hatch's word that "Tage Evasion" actually benefits from a wing.

I DO have access to a wind tunnel as a matter of fact and have used it MANY times. Thanks for asking.


Oh my god. READ PLEASE! How do you know THIS CRX pulls 2g's?????????

Based on what the link about the car says, there is absolutely not a single piece of evidence that leads anyone to believe that THIS CRX pulls 2g's.

Edit: Wait, what the hell, What even leads you to believe that ANY CRX can pull 2g's?? :screwy: I think that is what you meant when you said "2g." Correct me if I misread.

What wind tunnel do you have access to? I have access to firearms but that doesn't mean I am an expert on munitions.

2g mean 2nd generation sir... the OP posted a 2nd gen CRX.

There is an old saying my granddad used to say... "when you wake up and realize that you're in a hole - stop digging."

[Bug-Rex]

What wind tunnel do you have access to? I have access to firearms but that doesn't mean I am an expert on munitions.

2g mean 2nd generation sir... the OP posted a 2nd gen CRX.

There is an old saying my granddad used to say... "when you wake up and realize that you're in a hole - stop digging."

No idea what kind of WT it is, just put a few cars in there for analysis. I am no expert either, but do get paid to build purpose built Formula 500 cars. Just saying I think I have a grasp on aero better than most. I do not know everything. Not trying to argue either.

I misread what you meant by 2g.

To clear things up, I think, IMO, the crx does not need a wing like that. I am not saying wings are pointless on all cars, IMO I think a wing on this crx is.

[BABY J]

No idea what kind of WT it is, just put a few cars in there for analysis. I am no expert either, but do get paid to build purpose built Formula 500 cars. Just saying I think I have a grasp on aero better than most. I do not know everything. Not trying to argue either.

I didn't ask what KIND of wind-tunnel. I asked which wind-tunnel do you have access to. Where is it located??


I misread what you meant by 2g.

To clear things up, I think, IMO, the crx does not need a wing like that. I am not saying wings are pointless on all cars, IMO I think a wing on this crx is.

Since you have a grasp on vehicle aerodynamics, you should be able to tell me why in your opinion that a wing on this particular CRX is pointless.

[matthewAPM]

Im sorry EJ, but the CRX is sick. Its a track car (could also be his time attack car) and the wing is there for one reason...downforce. If you know how setups work, wings on FWD cars is great.

Also for those who say autocross cars are nothing...your extremely wrong. Miata mike can chime in on this.

[Bug-Rex]

This crx for this matter, does not reach and with hold speeds above 90MPH for a very long time (track dependent) from what I can tell, but I do not know everything about the car . Therefore the wing serves no purpose in creating usable down-force. It is instead creating a greater coefficient of drag, when I think it would be better off reducing it coefficient of drag. Instead of trying to produce D/F, I would consider trying to reduce its calculated blockage, and, try to create suction rather than D/F.

[BABY J]

Im sorry EJ, but the CRX is sick. Its a track car (could also be his time attack car) and the wing is there for one reason...downforce. If you know how setups work, wings on FWD cars is great.

Also for those who say autocross cars are nothing...your extremely wrong. Miata mike can chime in on this.

DING DING DING we have a winner.

The people that don't think a wing works on FWD obv have never have a FWD car over 90mph. It gets hairy. In addition to that, the EF is prob worse than all of the generations. High speed stability is achieved EVEN ON FWD w/ the addition of a LIGHTWEIGHT well designed air-foil.

Please don't make me post data. Just nod your head and agree.

[BABY J]

This crx for this matter, does not reach and with hold speeds above 90MPH for a very long time (track dependent) from what I can tell, but I do not know everything about the car . Therefore the wing serves no purpose in creating usable down-force. It is instead creating a greater coefficient of drag, when I think it would be better off reducing it coefficient of drag. Instead of trying to produce D/F, I would consider trying to reduce its calculated blockage, and, try to create suction rather than D/F.

It doesn't reach 90mph? You know this how?

[Bug-Rex]

Yes yes yes, but we were not talking about all FWD cars. We were, or I was at least, discussing the CRX that this thread is dedicated to.

[Bug-Rex]

It doesn't reach 90mph? You know this how?

I said I do not know this, but I am guessing that it does not hold this speed very long on a time attack course.

[matthewAPM]

I agree 100%.

A little setup FWD facts for a few people: As some know, rotation is what makes a FWD car fast (big rear bar, high rear rates, etc etc). For low speed corners, you want a good amount of rotation to get the car through the middle of the corner. At high speeds, you dont want as much rotation on the car (we are not drifters) so you use a wing to keep the rotation down. It makes it like you have 2 setups, one high speed, one low speed.

[matthewAPM]

I said I do not know this, but I am guessing that it does not hold this speed very long on a time attack course.

Even at say 90 that wing is making just enough downforce, to make a difference. It doesnt take much to make a car stable at 60+

[Bug-Rex]

Everything discussed here is just speculation for a car none of us hardly know anything about.

Period.

[BABY J]

This crx for this matter, does not reach and with hold speeds above 90MPH for a very long time (track dependent) from what I can tell, but I do not know everything about the car . Therefore the wing serves no purpose in creating usable down-force. It is instead creating a greater coefficient of drag, when I think it would be better off reducing it coefficient of drag. Instead of trying to produce D/F, I would consider trying to reduce its calculated blockage, and, try to create suction rather than D/F.

Grrrr. And you work w/ Formula 5 cars --- amazing. Some1 needs their money back.

Most FF cars have a front-rear balance ratio somewhere between 60/40 and 52/48 (you can google this). Adding downforce to the rear helps balance the car @ speed and keep the rear end stable. You may say why not do this with ballast?? Why? B/c ballast is dead weight. ALSO to do it w/ ballast where it's needed in a FF application is a death-sentence b/c you are adding that weight over the rear wheels. This negates the traction that ALL high(er) powered FF configurations need. A properly tuned/placed wing is 1) lightweight, and adds VARIABLE balance (based on vehicle speed).

I suggest you get smart... these guys have won at least once :rolleyes:

http://www.realtimerl.com/content/acura-rsx

[Bug-Rex]

Grrrr. And you work w/ Formula 5 cars --- amazing. Some1 needs their money back.

Most FF cars have a front-rear balance ratio somewhere between 60/40 and 52/48 (you can google this). Adding downforce to the rear helps balance the car @ speed and keep the rear end stable. You may say why not do this with ballast?? Why? B/c ballast is dead weight. ALSO to do it w/ ballast where it's needed in a FF application is a death-sentence b/c you are adding that weight over the rear wheels. This negates the traction that ALL high(er) powered FF configurations need. A properly tuned/placed wing is 1) lightweight, and adds VARIABLE balance (based on vehicle speed).

I suggest you get smart... these guys have won at least once :rolleyes:

http://www.realtimerl.com/content/acura-rsx

Pointless.

I don't know why people think I am against wings.

For the 5th and last time, I was referring to the the CRX that this thread was made for. Not FF cars, not that Acura team. Please chill out and lay off. I am sorry I offended you.

I would like to know your opinion if the CRX that was posted in THIS thread benefits from that wing.

[BABY J]

Everything discussed here is just speculation for a car none of us hardly know anything about.

Period.

No1 is speculating anything but you. That car can not even have an engine it and that doesn't change the fact that a vehicle (ANY vehicle) traveling at speed can potentially benefit from a REAL wing placed and tuned properly. You can post any car in the world, not just this one. Since you like to assume, you can ASSUME that a purpose built track car (road-race, drag, rally, you name it) will attain speeds needed for the air-foil to work. The car posted in this thread IS a purpose-built car.

I agree w/ your comment about drag. But the fact that drag is needed to produce downforce over an air-foil is negated by how efficient that air-foil is.

[matthewAPM]

EVEN IF THE CAR IS NOT SEEING MORE THAN 90 AVERAGES ONLY 60, THE WING IS WORKING.

[BABY J]

EVEN IF THE CAR IS NOT SEEING MORE THAN 90 AVERAGES ONLY 60, THE WING IS WORKING.

Thank you sir. Will you marry me?

[matthewAPM]

im down lulz

Some people just dont understand...

[Bug-Rex]

No1 is speculating anything but you. That car can not even have an engine it and that doesn't change the fact that a vehicle (ANY vehicle) traveling at speed can potentially benefit from a REAL wing placed and tuned properly. You can post any car in the world, not just this one. Since you like to assume, you can ASSUME that a purpose built track car (road-race, drag, rally, you name it) will attain speeds needed for the air-foil to work. The car posted in this thread IS a purpose-built car.

I agree w/ your comment about drag. But the fact that drag is needed to produce downforce over an air-foil is negated by how efficient that air-foil is.

I'm pretty sure after I said the wing is not needed, everyone speculated that it was a fully built race car, and started blabbering on about how it did.

You are preaching to the choir when talking about purpose built track car. But, the CRX may be purpose built, but we are unclear if it is indeed "built."

[Bug-Rex]

EVEN IF THE CAR IS NOT SEEING MORE THAN 90 AVERAGES ONLY 60, THE WING IS WORKING.

Agreed, but to what extent? Is there an advantage of not having it on?

I think we are all on the same page but don't know it. Hopefully this thread will teach someone something about aero though.

[matthewAPM]

Who fucking cares if it its a race car, or a track car, or a time attack car, or his DD that he tracks. Fact is, wings work. Some work better than others. But when you can put even 20lbs where you need it, when you need it...it works.

[Bug-Rex]

Who fucking cares if it its a race car, or a track car, or a time attack car, or his DD that he tracks. Fact is, wings work. Some work better than others. But when you can put even 20lbs where you need it, when you need it...it works.

Agreed again, but you can't convince me that a wing like that has any advantage on an autox course...

[BABY J]

I'm pretty sure after I said the wing is not needed, everyone speculated that it was a fully built race car, and started blabbering on about how it did.

You are preaching to the choir when talking about purpose built track car. But, the CRX may be purpose built, but we are unclear if it is indeed "built."

yeah - this is normal for everyday "Taco Bell" drive-thru shit:

FRONT LIP 3 INCH
FRONT SPLITER
SPORT BIKE MIRRORS
LEXAN WINDOWS
SPARCO FIBER GLASS DRIVER SEAT
SPARCO STEAL FRAMED SEAT
CUSTOM MADE DASH
FLARED REAR FENDERS
CUSTOM REAR WING
SIX POINT ROLL CAGE
UNDER BODY PANEL
REAR DIFFUSER
8 GALLON FUEL CELL
JDM BLACK RACING WHEELS 15X7 +35 OFFSET, 11 LBS EACH
HOOSIER R6 FULL SLICK RACE TIRES 205/50R15

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/5.jpg
:
(note the FPS: fire supression system)
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/4.jpg
:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/1.jpg
:
AAAHHHHHHHHHHH --- Lexan
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/9.jpg
:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/DSC04680.jpg



:::


Yeah - not built.:rolleyes:

[BABY J]

Oh yeah... a lil brake ducting also for good measure.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/clens13/DSC04653.jpg

[matthewAPM]

Agreed again, but you can't convince me that a wing like that has any advantage on an autox course...

Where the hell did you get autocross from?? He is at sebring. which means what? THE WING IS ON TRACK AND WORKING. No it wont work in a autocross but obviously he isnt autocrossing is he?

[BABY J]

I think I'm done w/ this topic - it's been fun: Happy racing. To the OP, good find. Be easy.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/4113002633_7b0870b872_o.jpg
:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4113769612_f15e9425f0_o.jpg
:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4113769044_c7ef1b0b8d_o.jpg

[Bug-Rex]

Who fucking cares if it its a race car, or a track car, or a time attack car, or his DD that he tracks. Fact is, wings work. Some work better than others. But when you can put even 20lbs where you need it, when you need it...it works.

You didn't specify that he was at a track which I did not know. Sure they work on that track, but your broad statement that "wings work" led me to believe that you meant any track.

[BABY J]

Hey Bug - where is the wind-tunnel located that you work at?

[matthewAPM]

You didn't specify that he was at a track which I did not know. Sure they work on that track, but your broad statement that "wings work" led me to believe that you meant any track.

Whats there to specify?! The damn pictures should give it away.

And yes, there are wings that work at autocrosses. Tod's AM car makes 1000lbs of down force at 60mph

[Bug-Rex]

Hey Bug - where is the wind-tunnel located that you work at?

Birmingham, Al.

I don't work there, just had access to it when needed.

[Bug-Rex]

Whats there to specify?! The damn pictures should give it away.

And yes, there are wings that work at autocrosses. Tod's AM car makes 1000lbs of down force at 60mph

Depends on the autox track.

[matthewAPM]

Depends on the autox track.

I hope your joking. Really are you that stupid. Who cares where the autocross is at. 60mph is 60mph. Fact is the car makes 1000lbs of DF.

Almost EVERY autocross is 2nd in a 5speed car. Which is 60 or so. For a fast car and open wheel cars is 70-80. And arguing with me about autocross is going to be a waste of your time.

[BABY J]

Save it man - he's the expert. That car isn't even built.

[Bug-Rex]

I hope your joking. Really are you that stupid. Who cares where the autocross is at. 60mph is 60mph. Fact is the car makes 1000lbs of DF.

Almost EVERY autocross is 2nd in a 5speed car. Which is 60 or so. For a fast car and open wheel cars is 70-80. And arguing with me about autocross is going to be a waste of your time.

I did not know you have seen all auto x track setups. Sorry for making you so angry. I personally have been to an autox where 60 mph was not reached. It was a VERY tight course.

I will agree that I am stupid once you tell me you have seen all autox tracks.

[Bug-Rex]

Save it man - he's the expert. That car isn't even built.

Done with this topic, eh?

[BABY J]

Done with this topic, eh?

Dumbness keeps pulling me back in here. You were shut down long ago - yet you are a glutton for punishment.

[matthewAPM]

I did not know you have seen all auto x track setups. Sorry for making you so angry. I personally have been to an autox where 60 mph was not reached. It was a VERY tight course.

I will agree that I am stupid once you tell me you have seen all autox tracks.

Im sorry but a jag club event isnt a real autocross.

Run any SCCA event and you will see 60mph...or you just suck ass.

All friendly talk,

Matthew B.
SCCA Atlanta Region co-Course Designer 2005-2007

[volk_ef9]

i wish i knew where to get a splitter like that when i had my crx :( thats a nice car though, i commend anyone who does shit theirselves. reps.

[matthewAPM]

I got a friend that has all the designs for front splittlers for EF's if your interested.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/nihkonco/cars/crx_lips/road-race-gear_01.jpg

[Bug-Rex]

We agree to disagree I guess.

In all honesty though, I would love to get behind the wheel of this thing.

[EJ25RUN]

Im sorry EJ, but the CRX is sick. Its a track car (could also be his time attack car) and the wing is there for one reason...downforce. If you know how setups work, wings on FWD cars is great.

Also for those who say autocross cars are nothing...your extremely wrong. Miata mike can chime in on this.

:doh:

Why do people keep thinking i don't know this already? If you look at the threads i made in 2007-2008 I'm sure you'd find examples where i am the one arguing for wings on FWD cars.

As i already told Zero Hatch. I was only making the point that i see a lot of CRXs without wings on racetracks. That is all. It is a similar statement to saying, "I see a lot of CRXs in the color black." Nothing more. Nothing less.

Oh, i read too much not to know how setups work. Currently, I'm reading the advantage a top attached rear wing assembly on LMP prototypes that is also found on the RSR's Jaguar GT2.

http://www.endurance-info.com/version2/images/news/09_LM_S102_soufflerie.jpg

Just some sidebar: I will be taking an aerodynamics course next semester as well.

[Bug-Rex]

Just some sidebar: I will be taking an aerodynamics course next semester as well.

If they offer it at your school, see if you can get into a course studying the subject matter of Computational Fluid Dynamics. You will learn so much about aero it is an incredible subject.

[EJ25RUN]

If they offer it at your school, see if you can get into a course studying the subject matter of Computational Fluid Dynamics. You will learn so much about aero it is an incredible subject.

I'm in flight school so i have to take Aero but not fluid dynamics. The engineering students have to though.

[Bug-Rex]

What school?

[EJ25RUN]

What school?

Embry Riddle

[Bug-Rex]

Nice. Great Mechanical Program.

[S.Brewer]

yeah... thats a nasty ass CRX. fuck what yall muh fukkaz say yo! Rice?! Bull shit. how about ENVY!

I love it in every aspect:2up:

[EJ25RUN]

yeah... thats a nasty ass CRX. fuck what yall muh fukkaz say yo! Rice?! Bull shit. how about ENVY!

I love it in every aspect:2up:

This is the type of thinking that drives me to say. Yes, whenever logic fails, use caps locks to show you know what you are talking about.

Yo.

[S.Brewer]

people like u r the ones who fuck up the import lifestyle. i just enjoy this. Its got a big ass ugly airplane wing and the headlights r yellow so its rice. it cant be a functional car... yo

[slow_hatch]

Exactly my point. I don't know who Tage Evasion is, but I assume his car actually needs his wing. The CRX that the thread was made for I would argue does not need one.

I'm done on this, but you stated that any of the above posted "other" cars would post the same lap times without their wings. Tage's car happens to be one of them. ;)

[EJ25RUN]

people like u r the ones who fuck up the import lifestyle. i just enjoy this. Its got a big ass ugly airplane wing and the headlights r yellow so its rice. it cant be a functional car... yo

You are absolutely right. It is I, EJ25RUN ruining the import lifestyle and i alone.

I'm glad you were able to discover this.

Yo.

[Got Milk?]

so old, so ugly.

[87 Turbo II]

people like u r the ones who fuck up the import lifestyle. i just enjoy this. Its got a big ass ugly airplane wing and the headlights r yellow so its rice. it cant be a functional car... yo

EJ25RUN is like one of the only guys on here who has earned credibility to me to the point where I would use him as a source for a research paper. He posts some of the most intelligent stuff on these boards, and is one of the few members out there who doesn't ever start shit with people. I look forward to reading his posts when I see his name.

Not to ride his nuts or anything but he is the last person you should accuse of ruining anything automotive.

[Frög]

SUPER!

LOL

[bigdare23]

EJ25RUN is like one of the only guys on here who has earned credibility to me to the point where I would use him as a source for a research paper. He posts some of the most intelligent stuff on these boards, and is one of the few members out there who doesn't ever start shit with people. I look forward to reading his posts when I see his name.

Not to ride his nuts or anything but he is the last person you should accuse of ruining anything automotive.



I wasn't going get involved with this thread anymore, but this made LIRL.

[VickNotic]

definately caught my attention 8d and read the article

[S.Brewer]

man riding nuts must be thi hip young rage... I've never felt the need to do such a homosexual activity. But its ur life. O i=u seen that black crx in this thread? that shits so bangin. NUT RIDERS FTW!!!

[EJ25RUN]

EJ25RUN is like one of the only guys on here who has earned credibility to me to the point where I would use him as a source for a research paper. He posts some of the most intelligent stuff on these boards, and is one of the few members out there who doesn't ever start shit with people. I look forward to reading his posts when I see his name.

Not to ride his nuts or anything but he is the last person you should accuse of ruining anything automotive.

Thanks.


I wasn't going get involved with this thread anymore, but this made LIRL.

I assume this is because many times me and you are at disagreement. But, unlike other people, you are too proud to admit when someone makes better points than you do.

[bigdare23]

Thanks.

I assume this is because many times me and you are at disagreement. But, unlike other people, you are too proud to admit when someone makes better points than you do.


I can't help it that I think it's funny that he would use you as a "reliable" source for a research paper. No it's not because of the many times we disagreed (For some odd reason, I can't recall all of the MANY times we have disagreed. :thinking: ), it's just because I don't view you as creditable enough to put you in a research paper. Do you post good information about up and coming cars? Yes. Do you keep everyone up-to-date with race information? Yes. Does that make you a creditable source for a research paper? Nope. I wish I would of made a reference to someone from an internet forum in a research paper when I was working on my undergrad (from Georgia Tech in Mechanical Engineering I might add ;) ), my professor would of marked it off as an unreliable source. Then I looked at dude's age, and he wouldn't know better so I can't fault him. Am I trying to diss you? Nope. I have a B.S in Mathematics and Mechanical Engineering. I am currently working toward a Masters in Mechanical Engineering, and I'm a Engineer-In-Train in the state of Georgia, and I feel I'm not a creditable enough to be used as a reference. So do get butt hurt. :goodjob:





Damnit, this thread has gotten me caught up again. I should be studying Continuum Mechanics right now LOL

[EJ25RUN]

I can't help it that I think it's funny that he would use you as a "reliable" source for a research paper. No it's not because of the many times we disagreed (For some odd reason, I can't recall all of the MANY times we have disagreed. :thinking: ), it's just because I don't view you as creditable enough to put you in a research paper. Do you post good information about up and coming cars? Yes. Do you keep everyone up-to-date with race information? Yes. Does that make you a creditable source for a research paper? Nope. I wish I would of made a reference to someone from an internet forum in a research paper when I was working on my undergrad (from Georgia Tech in Mechanical Engineering I might add ;) ), my professor would of marked it off as an unreliable source. Then I looked at dude's age, and he wouldn't know better so I can't fault him. Am I trying to diss you? Nope. I have a B.S in Mathematics and Mechanical Engineering. I am currently working toward a Masters in Mechanical Engineering, and I'm a Engineer-In-Train in the state of Georgia, and I feel I'm not a creditable enough to be used as a reference. So do get butt hurt. :goodjob:
Damnit, this thread has gotten me caught up again. I should be studying Continuum Mechanics right now LOL

Ok well i too would agree I'm not at a level where I'm creditable enough to be used as a main source but i just might be able to be used as a reference in the sense of unbiased opinion. Ok maybe not that either.

I took from your post that I'm not credible at all in any sense and now i see you don't think that.


man riding nuts must be thi hip young rage... I've never felt the need to do such a homosexual activity. But its ur life. O i=u seen that black crx in this thread? that shits so bangin. NUT RIDERS FTW!!!

This is by far the most hetero thing I've read all day.

[BABY J]

You're all gay.

[Frög]

yeah... thats a nasty ass CRX. fuck what yall muh fukkaz say yo! Rice?! Bull shit. how about ENVY!

I love it in every aspect:2up:


LOL Envy? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA

[EJ25RUN]

You're all gay.

Don't be jealous.

[silverDA]

i count at least 3 post whores/

[Bug-Rex]

man riding nuts must be thi hip young rage... I've never felt the need to do such a homosexual activity. But its ur life. O i=u seen that black crx in this thread? that shits so bangin. NUT RIDERS FTW!!!

I fail to even remotely understand what this sentence means...:screwy::lmfao:

[matthewAPM]

man riding nuts must be thi hip young rage... I've never felt the need to do such a homosexual activity. But its ur life. O i=u seen that black crx in this thread? that shits so bangin. NUT RIDERS FTW!!!

FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT?! omg your retarded.

[sakasaku]

FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT?! omg your retarded.

no your a retard

[EJ25RUN]

FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT?! omg your retarded.



no your a retard

And neither of you know the word "YOU'RE."

[87 Turbo II]

I can't help it that I think it's funny that he would use you as a "reliable" source for a research paper. No it's not because of the many times we disagreed (For some odd reason, I can't recall all of the MANY times we have disagreed. :thinking: ), it's just because I don't view you as creditable enough to put you in a research paper. Do you post good information about up and coming cars? Yes. Do you keep everyone up-to-date with race information? Yes. Does that make you a creditable source for a research paper? Nope. I wish I would of made a reference to someone from an internet forum in a research paper when I was working on my undergrad (from Georgia Tech in Mechanical Engineering I might add ;) ), my professor would of marked it off as an unreliable source. Then I looked at dude's age, and he wouldn't know better so I can't fault him. Am I trying to diss you? Nope. I have a B.S in Mathematics and Mechanical Engineering. I am currently working toward a Masters in Mechanical Engineering, and I'm a Engineer-In-Train in the state of Georgia, and I feel I'm not a creditable enough to be used as a reference. So do get butt hurt. :goodjob:





Damnit, this thread has gotten me caught up again. I should be studying Continuum Mechanics right now LOL

It's was partial sarcasm, I do trust him to not spread info without knowing first himself, but I would double check anything I put into a paper.

[Frög]

And neither of you know the word "YOU'RE."

I was thinking that! :lmfao:

[S.Brewer]

anyways....

[EJ25RUN]

anyways....

You're still a moron.

No need to bump the thread to remind us.

[LIKEG6]

Dare - that is a sick CRX. I completely agree with ya on that.

Matthew - Does your buddy got any ideas for a rear splitter for an EF? I've been wanting one for a lil bit.

Stephen - That's not the way to come in posting man, damn!

Baby J - You're gay. lol

[BABY J]

Dare - you're gay

Matthew - Does your buddy got any ideas for a rear splitter for an EF? I've been wanting one for a lil bit.

Stephen - That's not the way to come in posting man, damn!

Baby J - You're the fucking man. I wanna be like you when I grow up.

fixed.

[LIKEG6]

fixed.

:lmfao:

[eg mike]

I like me a track car!! Some better pics on the original post

[Sir_Christopher]

yea, ide love to take this around the track

[S.Brewer]

bump bump bump bump

[StarBwoy]

reps