wrecked the Z06 on the way home from work yesterday!!!

[Civicn33b]

So I was on my way home not a half mile from the house and I hydroplaned. The ass end came around and lead the front end into the grass. I slid at 40mph nearly 300ft in the grass until I ran into an embankment. 40-0 in less than a second. MY back is a little sore today and im still kinda shaken up. It sucks and im pretty upset about it. My buddy is on his way up here right now and we are towing it to Magnum to see what the deal is. Its a rough sight but pretty minor cosmetically. The only thing that worries me is the roughly 3" of wheel gap on both sides of the front when I was slammed before the incident. Shocks are clearly busted, I some how lost a ballast to one of the HIDs, half of the intake was laying on the ground. Rear leaf spring was on the ground, one of the iforged is kinda trashed, doesnt seem its bent but will need repainting and polishing the lip, it cut a bunch of wires under there and pushed the radiator back... we shall see what happens I guess my biggest fear is that State Farm will not fix the aftermarket stuff. Like if my headers are messed up or the missing HID ballast, wheels stuff ect... All in all im very fortunate nobody else was involved and worse yet that I didnt slide into oncomming traffic. I guess it was just my day.


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[Marta Mike]

damn that sucks, looks like all u need is a new bumper tho

[Evil Goat]

so you lost control in a z06 at 40 mph? :thinking:


sucks man, sorry to hear....but i don't buy the 40mph thing

[a94civicex]

WoW that sucks dude, sorry to hear about that! I had the damn rain! Hope everything works out for you bro!

[southside]

so you lost control in a z06 at 40 mph? :thinking:


sucks man, sorry to hear....but i don't buy the 40mph thingx2 300ft from going 40mph?

[Civicn33b]

so you lost control in a z06 at 40 mph? :thinking:


sucks man, sorry to hear....but i don't buy the 40mph thing


tell it to my bald 555Rs... Thanks guy itll get fixed, oh ya and it cut a bunch of wires under there and pushed the radiator back

[Hundo®]

so you lost control in a z06 at 40 mph? :thinking:


sucks man, sorry to hear....but i don't buy the 40mph thing

probably the new wheels. all that rubber on the ground can cause an easy hydroplane if too much foot is put the floor. or bald tires.

[ash7]

so you lost control in a z06 at 40 mph? :thinking:


sucks man, sorry to hear....but i don't buy the 40mph thing

well, if the tires in the back were rediculously wide (12" or so, not many people would buy iForged wheels and NOT go wide) - and almost needing replacing - then i'll believe every word of it.

40mph was probably just the impact speed (note he said he was sliding in the dirt for a good little ways before impact)

sucks bro, hopefully they'll take care of all the damage.
-jonathan

[Elbow]

Why'd you do that?

Sucks.

[csmiths]

damn son

[.blank cd]

Dammit. This is a sad day in corvette history. Glad you're alright though man.

[JDMGRNAV6]

damnnn, im sorry to hear that, i hope everything goes okay from here on out, life is precious, we dnt kno how lucky we are, glad your okay..

and that zo6, if you dnt wanna fix it, send her my way, ILL TAKE HER

[DB4LYFE ™]

im sorry josh... yea i felt like shit after i wrecked my car back in may or june! ull figure out something. G/L man!

~DB4LYFE

[red08passat]

As soon as I herd Cherokee fire say wrecked yellow vette on hickory i knew it was you. Thats why i blew you up yesterday. Glad your ok bro.

[Glides]

Man, I hate to see that. Such a fabulous car too.

and the worst part........because you know it's coming.....


"waits for Bobby Fresco"

[Dwisforme05]

Man 555rs already suck in the rain couldnt imagine bald ones. my 555s already suck lol! luckily all you need is a new bumper. could have been much worse. glad your ok and z06 isnt in too bad of shape.

[IMPORTchic]

Sorry to hear this Josh!! Hope things are an easy fix!!! Goodluck!! I almost wanna cry for you! Didn't damage the new wheels did it?

[swollix]

Not as bad as I thought, good thing you are okay. It could have been much worse. See how much you can rip the insurance company off. I was hydro-planing everywhere yesterday too... 315's suck ass in the rain...

[Civicn33b]

just went out and loaded it on the truck and the fenders are pulled up so i dunno if its frame or not. and the chec k engine light is on.

[SnailedFG2]

Sorry to see man.

[CasadeWaffle]

It sucks when a car that is actually nice gets wrecked, atleast you're ok.

[CHADbee]

daaaamn dude. glad to see you are ok but that really sucks josh. keep us informed on what the insurance company says, hopefully they take care of you.

[NewGen33]

Hate to see the car like that Josh. Especially since you were trying to sell it.

[S2KJD]

ouch for sure but like all have said good thing you are ok. my friend got in a wreck in his s2k and he got a new aftermarket front bumper, aftermarket rear bumper, badass cf trunk, and they recleared his cf hood so hopefully you will come out of the shop with some new mods like most do after an insurance claim :goodjob:

[amandDA]

damn dude this sucks! i hope everything works in your favor.

[Maniacc]

Looks like a couple hundred dollars worth of damage to me. It'll be back on the road in no time - I give it a week tops.

[jrotax101]

glad to see the car isn't TOO bad and you're okay.

[DustnU]

Damn bro sorry to hear that glad your ok though. My boy brandon with the silver Si says he's glad too. props for good driving skills and not killing someone!!

[The Creeper]

This is why I avoid driving my c5z in the rain, they hydroplane pretty easily. I am running NT05's and they aren't that bad, but still a little scary sometimes. Good thing you weren't hurt.

[Njobe]

Looks like a couple hundred dollars worth of damage to me. It'll be back on the road in no time - I give it a week tops.
maybe couple thousand lol... he said the radiator was pushed back and other crap... wouldn't be suprised if the frame bent a little and they proclaim it totaled... sucks that it happened but at least you're ok.

[Caveman74]

Damn homey. Ole Hickory kicked yo ass. It could have been worse.

[Maniacc]

maybe couple thousand lol... he said the radiator was pushed back and other crap... wouldn't be suprised if the frame bent a little and they proclaim it totaled... sucks that it happened but at least you're ok.


Sarcasm.

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[hatewearink]

sorry to hear that for what its worth

[Julio]

sucks man..

But that shit will buff out.. Be on the rd in no time.

[dragoncelica]

I am very sorry for what you are going tru bro that really was a nice car, and it is a very sad thing to hear that happened to you!

But i am sorry, i dont buy the 40mph story eather, i have been in the rain, welded rearend and cheater slicks 275 60 15 and yea it is a pain to drive in the rain but if i do not make any stupid thing the car is under control, no matter how bad the nitto 555r are in the rain, trust me they are not even half as bad as driving on cheater slicks!

Anyway i hope your insurance cover all of it and whomever have the chance to fix it i really hope does the job the way it should be and the car comes out better than it was!

[Jdm94Coupe]

Sarcasm.

Here's the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://blog.midnightryder.com/externalgraphics/FucktardMyspaceSir.png)

lol reps!

[JITB]

I CAN kind of believe the 40mph thing.. only because i rode on bald tires , with aftermarket wheels in the rain. And it is very very not fun. All it takes is a small puddle and the car will glide whatever direction it wants to. I never wrecked.. but it was bound to happen if i kept riding like that..

anyway.. you ll fix it im sure.

[DVSRX-7]

glad to see the car is gone, and your ok, oh wait i messed up....













































































































no im glad to see another vette off the road, jk!! lol sad to see the damage..

[Caveman74]

I CAN kind of believe the 40mph thing.. only because i rode on bald tires , with aftermarket wheels in the rain. And it is very very not fun. All it takes is a small puddle and the car will glide whatever direction it wants to. I never wrecked.. but it was bound to happen if i kept riding like that..

anyway.. you ll fix it im sure.

The speed limit on Hickory Road is 40 MPH. And as much as it rained last night I can believe it

[2turbo4u]

Sorry to hear about your mishap. Don't drive your nice car in the rain unless you have to

[awestun]

I send my condolences to you sir. Such a sad day.

[Arm&hammer]

That really sucks man. I hope everything works out well.

[D3UC3S]

Glad your ok man!

Sucks to see an awesome vette like that:(

[Caveman74]

His car hit a metal culvert pipe that goes underneath a driveway

[$9ktt]

Glad see you are ok....but...why drive with bald tires in the rain ?!?:(
I don't drive the Supra in any bad weather unless I get caught in it.
That's what the Evo or Eclipse is for.:)

B

[G'd[UP]]

Damn Man that blows!!!!! but ill buy your vette bumpper emblem for $10. lol

[Civicn33b]

I am very sorry for what you are going tru bro that really was a nice car, and it is a very sad thing to hear that happened to you!

But i am sorry, i dont buy the 40mph story eather, i have been in the rain, welded rearend and cheater slicks 275 60 15 and yea it is a pain to drive in the rain but if i do not make any stupid thing the car is under control, no matter how bad the nitto 555r are in the rain, trust me they are not even half as bad as driving on cheater slicks!

Anyway i hope your insurance cover all of it and whomever have the chance to fix it i really hope does the job the way it should be and the car comes out better than it was!

i wish ppl would stop giving me shit about the 40mph a was driving the damn car and would be the first one to tell u if i was doing otherwise. Vettes are very light in the ass in and anyone whos driven one know they hydroplane rather easy...

lol kevin you must have drove by the scene, it slid for a minute lol i was looking today. anyways car is at magnum collision we shall see tmr when they call me

[The Creeper]

^Yea mine hydroplanes all the damn time. I can imagine on a turn things could get ugly. Hope everything gets worked out via Insurance.

[claybird]

long as ur not hurt man. Hope it gets fixed

[metro larev]

dude i really feel you i hit a lip in the road yesterday where the county roarwork left it repaving and i bent a new wheen and busted both front axles and it was not my fault and no one is to blame besides the goverment but we both know trying to get money from them would be a joke

[Lankhoss]

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Damn dude, I'm glad you're ok but I HATE to see what happened to your car!!

[jadakid88]

sorry to hear

[Njobe]

Sarcasm.

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fuk you i never know when you're serious or not lol

[5thgcelica]

that sucks man!

the frame might be bent, but i bet you broke both of the front aprons (the fiberglass/plastic fender support) those are a BITCH to put on cause they are glued on.

and state farm should cover your aftermarket stuff as long as you have receipts.

atleast you're ok!

[btstone]

sorry to see that man. i have state farm, they have taken care of all my crazy request before. they will take care of all your partd
s

[MR.EM1]

Glad see you are ok....but...why drive with bald tires in the rain ?!?:(
I don't drive the Supra in any bad weather unless I get caught in it.
That's what the Evo or Eclipse is for.:)

B

i love my evo in the rain!!!

but sucks for what happened man..it could have been a lot worse tho.

[singhondeck]

damn suckss..shit looks so clean in the sig..hope evrything works out

[MissCourtney]

damn that sucks.
should have bought a honda.
i made it from catersville to kennesaw on slicks.
heheh glad you're okay.

[The Creeper]

^Cartersville sucks.

[FoolsDrifFWD]

x2 300ft from going 40mph?

it was wet, the car is over 2000lbs, and it was in the grass seems rite to me. i mean a idiot can see that, i did.

[MissCourtney]

^Cartersville sucks.

agreed. thats where my school is :no:

[The Creeper]

^Highlands?

[Lurker]

That sucks. Good luck getting her fixed.

[scabtastic]

damn dude i just cried a little on the inside.

[bimmergirrl]

dannng.. I hope it all turns out for the best, just sucs right now.

I believe you btw. i drive a 91 318i (bmw) and it was sliding like hell yesturday! I had to go down 1-20 to Windy Hill and the rain just sucks on the road specially with bald tires(same problem here)...
My Mustang did the smae and it had some nice ass tires. they are just ass happy. lol.
:)
It will be better :)

[Nemesis]

Damn im really sorry to see that happen man. Im so freaking careful and drive like a granny in the rain :(

Glad you are okay though.

[collins]

damn, so sad to see.

and the chec k engine light is on. thats probably just due to one of those many wires you said got chopped. anything can throw a code on those cars.

[IndianStig]

That sucks to see that happen!

[MissCourtney]

^Highlands?

yes dont stalk me though.. i already have enough stalkers.

[The Creeper]

yes dont stalk me though.. i already have enough stalkers.

Don't flatter yourself.:goodjob:

[MissCourtney]

Glad see you are ok....but...why drive with bald tires in the rain ?!?:(
I don't drive the Supra in any bad weather unless I get caught in it.
That's what the Evo or Eclipse is for.:)

B

hey you single. bahahahah

[RedGTS]

C5's are famous for this, happened to me twice, and a friend too. My car looked almost identical to yours damage wise, it was over 10k to fix (not counting wheels) state farm fixed it then cancelled my policy. Interested to see what the quote is...

[MissCourtney]

Don't flatter yourself.:goodjob:

i just saw your name was creeper. lol

[smackdown]

Uhhhhh this brings back bad memories. I had a 2000 frc H/C car and had the exact same thing happen. I was going about 40 getting onto 575 with a woodstock officer right behind me. Before I knew what happened the back was in the front and i was in the grass..good thing there was a bridge that stopped me from going into the other lane. I thought the car would be fine until I went to shut the door and it didnt shut.. Insurance totaled it.. Anyway hope everything turns out ok...:cry:

[swollix]

hey you single. bahahahah


She's serious, guys. She's taking applications now...

Josh, where are the updates!?!?

[The Creeper]

i just saw your name was creeper. lol

Just clearing up that I am no IA leghumper of any sort haha.:cheers:

[swollix]

Just clearing up that I am no IA leghumper of any sort haha.:cheers:

Post pics of your vette.

[em1si]

SORRY HEAR ABOUT THE Z06

[The Creeper]

Post pics of your vette.

It's stock.

[Nemesis]

hey you single. bahahahah

:rolleyes: wow

[Evil Goat]

so these cars that are supposed to be very well tuned, suspension wise, are light in the ass and tend to hydro plane when it's wet?

i think you guys just changed my mind on my next car being a Z.....i'll stick to my 80+ mph curves in my gto with my measly 265's

[Civicn33b]

^ lol get real ive owned both... they take turns they just arent too rain friendly. The goat is a boat in the turns

[Evil Goat]

^ lol get real ive owned both... they take turns they just arent too rain friendly. The goat is a boat in the turns

so you couldn't take decent turns at 80 in a gto and you wrecked a z06....you're doing it wrong! :D

[dragoncelica]

^^^ Sorry i am not here to give you shit i am really sad for what happened to you my friend, but dont try to bullshit the bullshiter my friend! i know the ZO6 is a awesome well balancer car and i had a C5 before and no problems at all in the rain taking ramps at over 60 mph, but hey,,, nobodys perfect my friend,



it was wet, the car is over 2000lbs, and it was in the grass seems rite to me. i mean a idiot can see that, i did.

Is there a down hill where he slide over the grass? come on my friend at 40mph you can't slide 300ft, just imposible if you got your ABS working properly and got your foot on the brake (a common reaction in such cases)
hey i am not giving nobody shit i am just posting my opinion in this matter, i have made mistakes too and i think everybody do also some time.

Like i say before i hope you good luck and your car will be better than before!

[Brian*]

ouch.

[Shift_2WIN]

At least your ok

[swollix]

It's stock.

Lower that shit! The front fender looks good from what I can see, lol.


so these cars that are supposed to be very well tuned, suspension wise, are light in the ass and tend to hydro plane when it's wet?

i think you guys just changed my mind on my next car being a Z.....i'll stick to my 80+ mph curves in my gto with my measly 265's

These cars are not super light in the ass being 53/47... The GTO is 55/45 for comparison. The tendency to hydroplane is almost non-existant if you have good tread on street tires. Which is not the case here. (worn drag radials) The wide tires and low tread turn into skis in the rain, at 40% tread on my street tires I can hydroplane on the highway going straight...

On a side note, Collins' GTO handles surprisingly well in the mountains with just aftermarket springs and BFG sports.

[csmiths]

why the fuck are you fools arguing about how he wrecked. is it really that big of a fucking deal that he hydroplaned in a z06 with bad drag radials?






shit, i forgot that there are so many professional drivers here on IA, my bad..... :rolleyes:

[JDMEK18]

Sorry to hear man.. good luck getting everything fixed!

[S2KJD]

there was a boosted yellow '08-'09 zo6 at sonic meet last night with custom painted black/yellow HRE wheels. pretty damn sick.

this is mentioned to encourage you to get the ride fixed not to rub anything in :D :cheers:

[Glides]

that sucks man!

the frame might be bent, but i bet you broke both of the front aprons (the fiberglass/plastic fender support) those are a BITCH to put on cause they are glued on.

and state farm should cover your aftermarket stuff as long as you have receipts.

atleast you're ok!

He's correct. I have adjusted claims in the past and work for an Insurance Company now. Long as you got receipts of the aftermarket stuff, they will work with you.

As for argueing about how he wrecked. I don't think that is the issue here. I think the real issue is why the hell he would have bald tires on a Z06. First thing I do is get good tires man, just asking for trouble running tubes down the road. Wanna drag, change tires. Driving that shiz daily, better have some good tires on it, specially when Fox 5 news says. "Flood Watch...Heavy Rains"


Too bad, that is a fine car man. Good luck on a speedy recovery.

[Civicn33b]

so you couldn't take decent turns at 80 in a gto and you wrecked a z06....you're doing it wrong! :D


how about you suck a dick bro, have some sympathy... bolts ons/slicks/n2o and your stuck in the 11s... you sir are doing it wrong :goodjob:

yes it was down hill, yes the grass was wet as it rained ALL day in canton and yes if you would like to come out personally and measure the marks feel free to guys. The police that investigate this sorta thing every day and also investigated mine prob dont know as much as you all do though it seems.

[Civicn33b]

why the fuck are you fools arguing about how he wrecked. is it really that big of a fucking deal that he hydroplaned in a z06 with bad drag radials?






shit, i forgot that there are so many professional drivers here on IA, my bad..... :rolleyes:


thank you charlie bunch of jealous mother fuckers on here it seems, if you guys dont have something constructive to say then get the fuck out of my thread. awaits the "welcom to IA nub" from all the haters.

PS: thanks for the words of encouragement glides. I knew the tires were on borrowed time, thats why work let me go early and I was supposed to get new tires the very next day. On another note I changed my collision deductible from $500 to $1000 not even a week ago bc ive never had a claim in my short 8yrs of driving... FML

[ironchef]

Sorry to hear that, was a nice ride.

[dragoncelica]

Not a jealous MOFO, and as i say before i am sorry you got to be tru that,
But hell, you can't fix stupid,
Nex time remember SPEED + RAIN + BALD TIRES DONT MIX!
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::goodjob:

[Civicn33b]

^wasnt really even talkin about you bro... but thanks for the advice, I think ill just call you "the stig" from now on with your professional skillz/advice! Move on please this thread has nothing for you.

[dragoncelica]

OK COOL!
for real, no pun intended!
Sorry.
BY the way good show where the Stig drive, one of my favorites and the only car show my wife watch in the net!

[1SICKLEX]

Glad you are okay...sorry to see this!

[BobbyFresco]

Lulz.
Karma. What an ugly bitch.

[You_Wish]

damn bro sorry to hear that....

[BABY J]

I love how people's ugly ass personalities come out when it has nothing to do with them.

1) New Flash: No1 gives a FUCK about "what you believe" his speed to have been.

2) There is no such thing as karma. You don't always get what you want in life, you don't always get what you deserve. You get what you get.

G/L getting back on the blocks man.

[speedminded]

Rain on slicks is fun:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-in-the-Rain_206510.htm

"One of the awesome things about the C6Z is how good this car is in the rain and damp conditions"

[Civicn33b]

I love how people's ugly ass personalities come out when it has nothing to do with them.

1) New Flash: No1 gives a FUCK about "what you believe" his speed to have been.

2) There is no such thing as karma. You don't always get what you want in life, you don't always get what you deserve. You get what you get.

G/L getting back on the blocks man.

Well put bro thanks :boobies:


Rain on slicks is fun:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-in-the-Rain_206510.htm

"One of the awesome things about the C6Z is how good this car is in the rain and damp conditions"

LOLOL holy shitballs what a scary ride!

[speedminded]

LOLOL holy shitballs what a scary ride!Yeahhh I think he's legally nuts lol!

[Frög]

You had HID's on that? jesus christ.. I thought rice boys put aftermarkett HID's in their cars..

Sorry about the wreck.. State farm should take care of you.. If I were you, I really couldn't care less about a 30$ HID ballast..

[swollix]

You had HID's on that? jesus christ.. I thought rice boys put aftermarkett HID's in their cars..

Sorry about the wreck.. State farm should take care of you.. If I were you, I really couldn't care less about a 30$ HID ballast..

I have HIDs too, guess night visibility is a ricer thing to want?:thinking: The stock halogens are like shining a flashlight through a glass of apple juice as far as visibility and color go...

[speedminded]

I have HIDs too, guess night visibility is a ricer thing to want?:thinking: The stock halogens are like shining a flashlight through a glass of apple juice as far as visibility and color go...GM never ceases to amaze me.

I swear 1 in 4 newer GM truck/SUV's I see have a driving light or headlight out. They must have took the lowest bidder on headlight bulbs.

[evogotspray]

bump magnum is a awesome shop

[Frög]

I have HIDs too, guess night visibility is a ricer thing to want?:thinking: The stock halogens are like shining a flashlight through a glass of apple juice as far as visibility and color go...

Yeah, blinding other people is rice and dangerous.. If you have projectors, that is cool.. But putting an HID system in halogen headlights is not..

[///Mary]

"may the best car win" as long as it doesn't involve wet roads :(

[swollix]

"may the best car win" as long as it doesn't involve wet roads :(


I see what you did there... :ninja:

[RedGTS]

Any word from the body shop yet?

[///Mary]

I see what you did there... :ninja:

orly? Heard about the 240 run and the honda fit from my friend in one of the s2ks :goodjob:

[swollix]

orly? Heard about the 240 run and the honda fit from my friend in one of the s2ks :goodjob:

Oh yeah, we had fun.

[Glides]

"may the best car win" as long as it doesn't involve wet roads :(

May your car win....as it's being given to me.

[bdydrpdmazda]

Oops...

[PSINXS]

tell it to my bald 555Rs... Thanks guy itll get fixed, oh ya and it cut a bunch of wires under there and pushed the radiator back

thank you. fuckin idiots. i did the exact same thing at 45mph on 285 when my inner treads were bald on my 300zx.

water doesnt care how fast you are going.

[S2KJD]

Any word from the body shop yet?

x2

[freaksandgeeks]

Man sorry to hear about the ride. Especially after getting the wheel recently. I least you can look at it this way what ever is broken gets a better replacement item to fix it.

As far as the hydroplanning incident. I had a similar incident in my EF Hatch back in highschool (13 years ago). First I am not comparing a Stock EF Hatch to a C5Z, but I was going about 10-15 mph in a parking lot trying to look cool around the ladies and in my new car... didnt pay attention and hit a ice patch near the curb and bumped the side really hard. Turns out I bet the frame and F'ed the wheel up. Really sucked and def didnt look cool.Water and Ice do not like R Compound. Plus I think he would have been in a worse type situation if he were going faster (Opinion... Not a professional or Dr. in Physics)

Glad you are okay and hope your back is fine. So far my experience with State Farm has been good.


Sohail Shah
Peace and Chicken Grease

[$9ktt]

hey you single. bahahahah

Nope, sorry, but I'm always taking applications !!!! :D

[aaronfelipe]

It'll buff out.

[RedGTS]

Do you happen to have your oem zo6 wheels? looking to buy a set

[swollix]

Do you happen to have your oem zo6 wheels? looking to buy a set

I just sold mine, but I believe he still has his.

[KevinT707]

Sorry about the ride but hopefully everything works out for you

[MK3 SupraJ]

Sorry to hear about the accident but at least your ok. Hydro planeing at 40mph can happen people, that's how I lost my supra. It can happen easier than some of you can imagine even when you are not speeding or driving careless.