The Death Sentence...

[Elbow]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang. :2up:

[DB4LYFE ™]

kill em

~DB4LYFE

[jhadleyh]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang. :2up:

Simon he already kinda went out with a bang when the jackass killed all those people.

[AirMax95]

Yeah, whether or not he killed my friend or family member, I wouldn't want to see him killed.

[DB4LYFE ™]

Suffer..

~DB4LYFE

[DB4LYFE ™]

Then die.

~DB4LYFE

[oneSLOWex]

So the fact that he killed innocent people means he should stay alive?

fuck that!....I dont know that I could watch it happen...even if he killed my family....but I would want his ass dead. People like that dont deserve to live.

[jhadleyh]

Yeah, whether or not he killed my friend or family member, I wouldn't want to see him killed.


I would watch him. For instance if he took Megan's life (my fiance) I would stare at him until his last breath was gone. I guess I'm a different type of person, but in my book if you live by the sword your gonna fucking die by the sword.

[TSiFTW]

Why can they not tell him his life is over, when he told the people he killed that theirs was. I say fuck lethal injection or electric chair. Rip that mother fuckers guts out slowly so he can watch them fall to the floor. Then stab his eyes with ice picks.

[Njobe]

I would watch him. For instance if he took Megan's life (my fiance) I would stare at him until his last breath was gone. I guess I'm a different type of person, but in my book if you live by the sword your gonna fucking die by the sword.
that's cause you're a extremist lol


Why can they not tell him his life is over, when he told the people he killed that theirs was. I say fuck lethal injection or electric chair. Rip that mother fuckers guts out slowly so he can watch them fall to the floor. Then stab his eyes with ice picks.
:lmfao::lmfao:

[Elbow]

If I was going to be in prison for life or executed, I'd want to die, so this isn't a very FAIR punishment. It's an easy way out. I've never quite understood it.

[bowdown201]

Id watch his ass die if he killed someone I love

[TSiFTW]

Eye for an eye seems fair enough to me.

[Elbow]

By the way I am speaking more of the government deciding your life.

If someone shot someone I loved and I had a gun, I'd shoot them to kill. Then pour salt on their wounds so it burns.

[oneSLOWex]

If I was going to be in prison for life or executed, I'd want to die, so this isn't a very FAIR punishment. It's an easy way out. I've never quite understood it.

I see what you mean. Alot of people in prison actually kinda like it from what I have heard. I dunno...something like what he did in my mind he deserves to suffer. Being behind bars where he gets 3 hots, a free bed to sleep in, he can watch TV, workout and do all sorts of other shit....yeah thats too damn easy.


I say chinese water torture or something along those lines....then death.

[Skorcher]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.

[S2KJD]

honestly, i dont know what to think of the death sentence and may not ever...

[Elbow]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.

Yeah that's not too fucked up...:screwy:

[oneSLOWex]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.
fucked up.....but I wouldn't want any less for such a crime honestly.

[Kasper]

I would.... I personally dont think putting a needle in his arm is being ok. id put a bullet in him for every person he killed. his "mental state" as they put it was fine. just because he turned into muslim to kill us and get his virgins doesnt mean he wasnt in the right state of mind. Both of them need to die for what they have done. and im sorry if anyone feels different but personally im tired of houseing and feeding the people that go out a murder people just because "they can" its a slap in the face to every american when they inflict harm on us and we house them. I dont care if its prison or not and how ruff it is. they still killed and need to be killed because of it. and the humane way of doing things is bullshit. hey lets put him to sleep then let him slip off in his sleep so its painless.. people please. 3/4 of the time they stand there and watch there victums bleed out and enjoy it. only remorse they have is being caught. so ya know what.. kill them how they killed others.

[DrewS2K]

that guy is a piece of shit for doing what he did, just takin out random people. fry his ass

[Skorcher]

Yeah that's not too fucked up...:screwy:


:dunno: Makes sense to me. Let him feel the way he made all those people feel that lived in the communities, wondering if they were going to be next just trying to get some gas or groceries.

[Elbow]

I would.... I personally dont think putting a needle in his arm is being ok. id put a bullet in him for every person he killed. his "mental state" as they put it was fine. just because he turned into muslim to kill us and get his virgins doesnt mean he wasnt in the right state of mind. Both of them need to die for what they have done. and im sorry if anyone feels different but personally im tired of houseing and feeding the people that go out a murder people just because "they can" its a slap in the face to every american when they inflict harm on us and we house them. I dont care if its prison or not and how ruff it is. they still killed and need to be killed because of it. and the humane way of doing things is bullshit. hey lets put him to sleep then let him slip off in his sleep so its painless.. people please. 3/4 of the time they stand there and watch there victums bleed out and enjoy it. only remorse they have is being caught. so ya know what.. kill them how they killed others.

Well luckily some people believe in being the better man. By you doing what he did makes you just as equal. He's not a random person, but you're still killing.

Like I said, I would kill someone if they killed someone I loved, but if it was the death sentence and all that, I wouldn't even care to hear about it. Totally different things to me.

[On_Her_Face]

Eye for an eye. The thought of that keeps most in order unless they are insane.

[On_Her_Face]

Oh P.S. I say fuck the electric chair or lethal injection as well. Let them hang.

[Total_Blender]

The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

So all that torture bullshit you guys are talking about will never happen. If the death penalty even stays on the books much longer it will be lethal injection.

If you John Birch Society assholes really want to live in a society like that, there are plenty of places in the developing world where you can enjoy public executions.

[oneSLOWex]

The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

Cases like this are where those things need to be changed. They deserve NO rights whatsoever and should not be treated like a human being.

[Elbow]

Cases like this are where those things need to be changed. They deserve NO rights whatsoever and should not be treated like a human being.

Why not?

[oneSLOWex]

Why not?

Taking innocent lives for whatever fucked up reason he thought was ok. Those people were simply living their lives like any other day and BOOM....they are dead.

[TSiFTW]

Fuck bleeding heart god damned liberals.

[90_ACCORD]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang. :2up:

he kinda decided when those peoples lives he took would be over so i dont see a difference in doing it to him.

[Buttons]

Eh, i'm on the line about things. Some people NEED to be out of society, where as I don't think I want my tax dollars to be paying for his food/shelter.

Anyways, I also think lethal injection is wrong now that I know more about it.

[90_ACCORD]

also i remember seeing something on tv last night about this. i only caught like the last 5-10 min but i was surprised when they said he was going to be killed today. that doesnt mean i dont think i shouldnt be done but i was just surprised.

[TSiFTW]

Some people NEED to be out of society, where as I don't think I want my tax dollars to be paying for his food/shelter.


WOW. Nicely fucking said

[Elbow]

he kinda decided when those peoples lives he took would be over so i dont see a difference in doing it to him.

That you will be on his level.

I see it as regular citizens deal with shit, if someone personally went after him and killed him, it wouldn't be as big as a deal.

If the government decides, it's different in my book.

[90_ACCORD]

Eh, i'm on the line about things. Some people NEED to be out of society, where as I don't think I want my tax dollars to be paying for his food/shelter.

Anyways, I also think lethal injection is wrong now that I know more about it.


then with one bullet they should kill him. that should be all to familiar to him so he should feel right at home with that

[oneSLOWex]

then with one bullet they should kill him. that should be all to familiar to him so he should feel right at home with that
thats too nice for the shit he did though

[Elbow]

thats too nice for the shit he did though

:screwy:

[90_ACCORD]

That you will be on his level.

I see it as regular citizens deal with shit, if someone personally went after him and killed him, it wouldn't be as big as a deal.

If the government decides, it's different in my book.

but like buttons said do you really want to help pay for his housing and food?

you will basically be paying to help keep him safe from everyone that wants to hurt him for what he did. how is that fair?

[Buttons]

then with one bullet they should kill him. that should be all to familiar to him so he should feel right at home with that

The reason why they have multiple guys shoot someone is so no one has the guilty conscience of killing someone. Whether you feel the person deserved to be killed or not, you don't want to have to live with the fact you killed someone. If there is five guys with guns, they give four blanks and one guy the real bullet, but don't tell any of them.

So... the people doing the killing started to realize that the blanks don't give as much kick back as the real bullets. Then some people had to go to counseling sessions, because they couldn't deal with the fact of knowing they killed someone whether the person was bad or good.

[TSiFTW]

Fuck just put him in general population in a prison in the south, unprotected. He wont last 10 minutes.

[Greddypacked]

NO THAT GUY DESERVES TO BE EXECUTED. HE KILLED THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE JUST DOING THEIR EVERYDAY CHORES OR ACTIVITIES. SNIPING PEOPLE LIKE THAT IS IMMORALE.

[90_ACCORD]

thats too nice for the shit he did though

well for the people that dont believe in lethal injection. the bullet thing is for them

[TSiFTW]

well for the people that dont believe in lethal injection. the bullet thing is for them

It's not that I don't believe in it, I just say gut the fucker. Save the morgue the extra work.

[Buttons]

NO THAT GUY DESERVES TO BE EXECUTED. HE KILLED THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE JUST DOING THEIR EVERYDAY CHORES OR ACTIVITIES. SNIPING PEOPLE LIKE THAT IS IMMORALE.

I personally only thing the real fucking insane people (hannibal lector type shit and child rapist who murder the kids) and mass killers should be killed. Now if the guy killed a few people, cool thing, it's a bad day. I've had a stray thought about killing a few people, but some people aren't able to control their anger. Many people aren't able to know that even thought they are mad, that it is morally wrong.

But then again, sniping is nothing like that, so I don't know where I stand on that.

[90_ACCORD]

The reason why they have multiple guys shoot someone is so no one has the guilty conscience of killing someone. Whether you feel the person deserved to be killed or not, you don't want to have to live with the fact you killed someone. If there is five guys with guns, they give four blanks and one guy the real bullet, but don't tell any of them.

So... the people doing the killing started to realize that the blanks don't give as much kick back as the real bullets. Then some people had to go to counseling sessions, because they couldn't deal with the fact of knowing they killed someone whether the person was bad or good.

im sure there is some cop out there that could live with that. which would probably mean he shouldnt be a cop if he is ok with killing someone.

[90_ACCORD]

It's not that I don't believe in it, I just say gut the fucker. Save the morgue the extra work.

:goodjob:

[Buttons]

im sure there is some cop out there that could live with that. which would probably mean he shouldnt be a cop if he is ok with killing someone.

But one person? That makes you just as bad. Killing someone.

[Elbow]

It's not that I don't believe in it, I just say gut the fucker. Save the morgue the extra work.

There is no way you truly believe in what you're saying lol, people saying things like this are on the same level as the killer, they just lack the balls.

[Greddypacked]

I personally only thing the real fucking insane people (hannibal lector type shit and child rapist who murder the kids) and mass killers should be killed. Now if the guy killed a few people, cool thing, it's a bad day. I've had a stray thought about killing a few people, but some people aren't able to control their anger. Many people aren't able to know that even thought they are mad, that it is morally wrong.

But then again, sniping is nothing like that, so I don't know where I stand on that.

LOL... if he can snipe people and hide from the law he knows he is morally wrong. Oh about the rapist, hannibal lector sh!t... THIS SNIPER KILLED F>CKING 10 PEOPLE... that's considered a mass murder :wtf:.

[TSiFTW]

There is no way you truly believe in what you're saying lol, people saying things like this are on the same level as the killer, they just lack the balls.


Actually I fully believe in it. I know it'll never happen, but I would love it if it did. Piece of shit people should be treated like, well, pieces of shit.

[Kasper]

Yeah i really dont understand some people.. IF someone walked into your house, or even on the street just walked up to you and the people you loved the most in this world, and just killed them and made you watch. then walked away. and you had the chance to determin weather he lived or died, you cannot tell me that you would stand there and say, "well i'll house him, and feed him and give him free tv for the rest of his natural life"

And 9 times outa 10 life in prison doesnt mean natural life. in most cases its 25 years. and a kid thats 18-25 years old will be out long before hes dead. and for what. cause we housed him in a protective castle for the last couple of years, gave him something to eat, housed him, and let him watch TV all day.

Its people like that that say "well we'll just give him life" that drive me completely crazy. he has killed someones family. and your basically telling him its ok. im sorry but if people dont relize that our bodies are made to adapt to our surroundings so long term prison is what they will adapt to and become home. it'll just be another day for them. except there getting a free ride.

[Buttons]

I just thought of my example. Soldiers in other countries will fight for the US. They believe the other side is wrong and what not and that they deserved to be killed. There's a difference between saying someone should die and you actually DOING it. Many soldiers come out of the war with Post-traumatic stress disorder from killing people.

[Benefit]

this thread has alot of dumb shit already posted in it, lets see what happens next

[Buttons]

LOL... if he can snipe people and hide from the law he knows he is morally wrong. Oh about the rapist, hannibal lector sh!t... THIS SNIPER KILLED F>CKING 10 PEOPLE... that's considered a mass murder :wtf:.

Yes, but i don't see a problem if a person knows what they did was morally wrong. it's the people who think what they did was okay. those are the ones who need to be murdered.

[TSiFTW]

I just thought of my example. Soldiers in other countries will fight for the US. They believe the other side is wrong and what not and that they deserved to be killed. There's a difference between saying someone should die and you actually DOING it. Many soldiers come out of the war with Post-traumatic stress disorder from killing people.


You are fully correct. However some thrive on it and fight for what they truly believe in. Just as most of the people they are fighting. Kill or be killed. Eye for a mother fucking eye.

[Greddypacked]

I just thought of my example. Soldiers in other countries will fight for the US. They believe the other side is wrong and what not and that they deserved to be killed. There's a difference between saying someone should die and you actually DOING it. Many soldiers come out of the war with Post-traumatic stress disorder from killing people.

I dont see anywhere in that article they say that sniper is ex military.

[Elbow]

this thread has alot of dumb shit already posted in it, lets see what happens next

You just made it dumb, it's been a civil conversation so far.

[oneSLOWex]

I personally only thing the real fucking insane people (hannibal lector type shit and child rapist who murder the kids) and mass killers should be killed. Now if the guy killed a few people, cool thing, it's a bad day. I've had a stray thought about killing a few people, but some people aren't able to control their anger. Many people aren't able to know that even thought they are mad, that it is morally wrong.

But then again, sniping is nothing like that, so I don't know where I stand on that.
You are pretty much saying hold his hand and give him a fucking hug and everything will be ok....he just had a bad day and decided to murder innocent people. Send him to a psychiatrist so he can cry about how his parents beat him, give him some drugs that only act as a mask for the fucked up shit hes got going on in his head, and put him back out into the world.

FUCK THAT! Everyone who does something like this and thinks about it after the fact goes for the whole insanity BS :rolleyes: what a crock of shit. The man has issues, issues where it seems cool in his brain to kill people who did nothing wrong.

How would you feel if you got a phone call saying someone you loved had been shot in the head while getting gas or picking up some food? Thats pretty much what this fool did. He doesn't deserve to breathe the same air everyone else does.

[Elbow]

Actually I fully believe in it. I know it'll never happen, but I would love it if it did. Piece of shit people should be treated like, well, pieces of shit.

Then that makes whoever tears his guts out a piece of shit too...what's the difference? He's killed more. You're killing him. It's just a shitty circle of shit.

Someone has to keep morals in line and what's right or wrong. Killing is wrong in it's simple form, killing a living human is killing, the reason WHY you're killing doesn't matter. In the end you took a life. It doesn't have to be fair.

[Buttons]

I dont see anywhere in that article they say that sniper is ex military.

I used that as an example for the firing squad and why it's wrong sometimes.

[Greddypacked]

OH and for the people that dont believe he should get the death sentence. This would give more criminals a huge idea on... OH so if I go a killing people and act all crazy like im insane I would get free housing, food, and tv. also eh.

[oneSLOWex]

I used that as an example for the firing squad and why it's wrong sometimes.
The firing squad for this guy should consist of the family of those who he killed.

[oneSLOWex]

OH and for the people that dont believe he should get the death sentence. This would give more criminals a huge idea on... OH so if I go a killing people and act all crazy like im insane I would get free housing, food, and tv. also eh.
X2

"Oh look....i feel like killing some random people today....I just gotta talk about aliens coming to get me and eat my own shit in front of people so I can get away!"

[Skorcher]

Killing is wrong in it's simple form, killing a living human is killing, the reason WHY you're killing doesn't matter. In the end you took a life. It doesn't have to be fair.

I think this is the part I disagree with. If they are acting like an animal and not a human being, they should be treated as one.

[Elbow]

The firing squad for this guy should consist of the family of those who he killed.

$50 they wouldn't do it...

[Buttons]

You are pretty much saying hold his hand and give him a fucking hug and everything will be ok....he just had a bad day and decided to murder innocent people. Send him to a psychiatrist so he can cry about how his parents beat him, give him some drugs that only act as a mask for the fucked up shit hes got going on in his head, and put him back out into the world.

FUCK THAT! Everyone who does something like this and thinks about it after the fact goes for the whole insanity BS :rolleyes: what a crock of shit. The man has issues, issues where it seems cool in his brain to kill people who did nothing wrong.

How would you feel if you got a phone call saying someone you loved had been shot in the head while getting gas or picking up some food? Thats pretty much what this fool did. He doesn't deserve to breathe the same air everyone else does.

I didn't say send him to a psychiatrist or put him back in the world. I wouldn't want that shit about me. By how he killed and how frequent, he didn't seem to care and that he didn't think it was wrong. He thought he could hold life and death in his own hands. And no one has that power. I personally think he should have the death sentence after reading the article, but i don't find lethal injection to be morally right.

You are saying that he has issues in his brain where as the other person was saying that he knew what he did was wrong. LOL it's either one or the other. it's not both.

[oneSLOWex]

Then that makes whoever tears his guts out a piece of shit too...what's the difference? He's killed more. You're killing him. It's just a shitty circle of shit.

Someone has to keep morals in line and what's right or wrong. Killing is wrong in it's simple form, killing a living human is killing, the reason WHY you're killing doesn't matter. In the end you took a life. It doesn't have to be fair.
I dont see why people like him should be viewed as a human being like the rest of us though.

[TSiFTW]

If it was my family member I would take your 50 bucks.

[oneSLOWex]

$50 they wouldn't do it...
You are probably right....most of them would chicken out. The way I see it though....thats my brother...sister....girlfriend....mom....dad....wh oever. Dont fuck with my family...ya know?

[Elbow]

I dont see why people like him should be viewed as a human being like the rest of us though.

Because he lived like a human just like the rest of us, he made a bad decision, and fucked up. I AM NOT saying anything he did was ok or should be treated nicely. I just don't think it's the governments right to say eh, we are gonna kill you too.

[Buttons]

The firing squad for this guy should consist of the family of those who he killed.

Does it really make them right? To kill also? Just puts them on his level... well maybe not completely.


$50 they wouldn't do it...

Exactly. Like I said earlier, there's a difference between wanting a certain person dead and actually DOING it.

[oneSLOWex]

I didn't say send him to a psychiatrist or put him back in the world. I wouldn't want that shit about me. By how he killed and how frequent, he didn't seem to care and that he didn't think it was wrong. He thought he could hold life and death in his own hands. And no one has that power. I personally think he should have the death sentence after reading the article, but i don't find lethal injection to be morally right.

You are saying that he has issues in his brain where as the other person was saying that he knew what he did was wrong. LOL it's either one or the other. it's not both.


Ahhh...Gotcha :goodjob:

How is lethal injection so wrong though? (i ask because I dont know)

[Elbow]

You are probably right....most of them would chicken out. The way I see it though....thats my brother...sister....girlfriend....mom....dad....wh oever. Dont fuck with my family...ya know?

I wouldn't do it, I don't think anyone in here posting would do it when it came down to it. The killer did it easily, that makes him sick, anyone who could just shoot and kill someone without feeling anything has something wrong. I personally think if I killed someone I would feel worse then before.

I'd shoot them in the knee caps or something to give them some pain. You shoot, kill, then what? It's over. You're stuck here feeling like shit still and they're no more.

[Buttons]

I personally think all the freaks should be all unloaded on a deserted island and let them fend for themselves. Real normal people have the ability to form real thoughts. It seems to caveman that you have to resort to killing other people to get your rocks off.

[Elbow]

Ahhh...Gotcha :goodjob:

How is lethal injection so wrong though? (i ask because I dont know)

I bet her answer is what my girlfriend told me the other day, but I will let her tell.

[Elbow]

I personally think all the freaks should be all unloaded on a deserted island and let them fend for themselves. Real normal people have the ability to form real thoughts. It seems to caveman that you have to resort to killing other people to get your rocks off.

I agree, that makes sense too, I like the island idea lol.

Awww Benefit negative repped me for this thread. HE'S SO CUTE!

[oneSLOWex]

Because he lived like a human just like the rest of us, he made a bad decision, and fucked up. I AM NOT saying anything he did was ok or should be treated nicely. I just don't think it's the governments right to say eh, we are gonna kill you too.
IMO he gave up his right as a human being taking those lives.

In some cases I agree...the government should not be able to make the decision. In this guys case, I agree with their decision as I believe, if left up to the families, the decision would be the same.

Does it really make them right? To kill also? Just puts them on his level... well maybe not completely.
Yes, by all means....he is no longer some innocent person going on about his daily life.

[Skorcher]

I personally think all the freaks should be all unloaded on a deserted island and let them fend for themselves. Real normal people have the ability to form real thoughts. It seems to caveman that you have to resort to killing other people to get your rocks off.

This reminds me of the idea George Carlin used to talk about.

[Buttons]

Ahhh...Gotcha :goodjob:

How is lethal injection so wrong though? (i ask because I dont know)

There's an oath that doctors have to take that they will do no harm. Well that's fine and dandy, but then comes lethal injection. You have (well i forgot what their names are) who have little medical training. They can miss a vein. The worst part of all, they don't give the correct dose. Doctors would be great at being able to give the correct dose, but if you have no training as so, you can't possibly know. Well there's a lot of money that goes into killing someone by lethal injection just for it not to work. Also, sometimes the person doesn't die by it, but just screams in agony. I rather he just starve to death on a deserted island :(

[Benefit]

I agree, that makes sense too, I like the island idea lol.

Awww Benefit negative repped me for this thread. HE'S SO CUTE!

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAH

[Elbow]

There's an oath that doctors have to take that they will do no harm. Well that's fine and dandy, but then comes lethal injection. You have (well i forgot what their names are) who have little medical training. They can miss a vein. The worst part of all, they don't give the correct dose. Doctors would be great at being able to give the correct dose, but if you have no training as so, you can't possibly know. Well there's a lot of money that goes into killing someone by lethal injection just for it not to work. Also, sometimes the person doesn't die by it, but just screams in agony. I rather he just starve to death on a deserted island :(

I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.

[Buttons]

I agree, that makes sense too, I like the island idea lol.

Awww Benefit negative repped me for this thread. HE'S SO CUTE!

The island idea might also sound harsh, but kicking out the bad in society. You don't want to be around it so you send it off. Well none of the other countries want the scum either. So you give him his own island and let him try to start over and fend for himself.

[oneSLOWex]

I wouldn't do it, I don't think anyone in here posting would do it when it came down to it. The killer did it easily, that makes him sick, anyone who could just shoot and kill someone without feeling anything has something wrong. I personally think if I killed someone I would feel worse then before.

I'd shoot them in the knee caps or something to give them some pain. You shoot, kill, then what? It's over. You're stuck here feeling like shit still and they're no more.
I dunno man...I could never really say that I could do that to someone like him because I have never been in that type of situation, but right now, thinking about something happening to my family, hell yes I would fuck his shit up.

Gun in my hand, aimed at his sick face....it might make me think. I can however say that I would not hesitate for one second to make him suffer.

[Buttons]

I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.

I mean if he chooses to live, he can learn to hunt and feed himself.

[Benefit]

what part of cruel and unusual punishment dont u understand?

[Njobe]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=16567508



that's all, carry on.

[oneSLOWex]

There's an oath that doctors have to take that they will do no harm. Well that's fine and dandy, but then comes lethal injection. You have (well i forgot what their names are) who have little medical training. They can miss a vein. The worst part of all, they don't give the correct dose. Doctors would be great at being able to give the correct dose, but if you have no training as so, you can't possibly know. Well there's a lot of money that goes into killing someone by lethal injection just for it not to work. Also, sometimes the person doesn't die by it, but just screams in agony. I rather he just starve to death on a deserted island :(
Nah....not good enough for me to be against it...sounds exactly like something this guy needs....especially the kind that doesn't end quickly.

[Elbow]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=16567508



that's all, carry on.

Interesting.

[Njobe]

Interesting.
yup, thought so too after reading some of the stuff in here.

[Buttons]

However the people who are to be given life sentences should be killed.

Life term = about $1.5 million

[oneSLOWex]

However the people who are to be given life sentences should be killed.

Life term = about $1.5 million
I never understood that....they give them life....expecting them to die in prison. Why be so nice? and why the funk should I pay for that shit?

[Total_Blender]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please:rolleyes:. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

[Buttons]

I never understood that....they give them life....expecting them to die in prison. Why be so nice? and why the funk should I pay for that shit?

But also, a person can stay in prison for a long time before they go to death row. You are always given one appeal before the decision is final. Many people petition more and it becomes a long lengthy process. Original Court + Appeals + keeping the prisoner during that time = also a lot of money.

[Greddypacked]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please:rolleyes:. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.

He has a point... those guys have to becareful of not being shanked by talking to someone the wrong way. Got to be a nice guy in a bad place and that wont even work majority of time.

[oneSLOWex]

Lots of "tough guy-ism" in this thread, but not much of actual substance.

The government is not in the business of torturing people (well not anymore, maybe). Those of you who talk about how nice prison is have probably never been or experienced what its like behind bars in one of our fine privatized penal facilities (I will admit that I haven't and don't plan on it, but I know people who have). Your "hot meal" is a cold baloney sammich and plain rice that has bugs in it. Television... bitch please:rolleyes:. If you count picking up garbage on the highway, or stamping license plates as entertainment then yeah, theres that. Don't forget the phone calls to your loved ones that cost $14. And then theres the constant danger of being shanked. Prison sucks.
If thats really how it is.....then hell yeah.....thats how it should be. It shouldn't be a playground.

[Elbow]

I've been to jail once. I was in there for a little over a day and do NOT want to go back. This was just county jail too in the nicest block. It was far from a nice shelter. The food was a joke, I didn't even eat it. Even then I saw tons of fights and people just trying to fight you for no reason. We did have TV where I was, but like I said it was county and a nice block. However you don't choose what to watch. Nothing violent is shown and nothing with any type of sexual scenes lol. Toilets are in the open, showers are in the open, is that really a nice place to be?

People who get life in prison may want to live. Maybe they live off of hope. Maybe they DO regret what they have done. Maybe they want to see their kids grow up even if it's just a monthly visit. I don't think anyone with a life sentence should die. I think many would want to die though. That's not punishment.

[deathrex]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

[Elbow]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.

Ok, nice vent. :screwy:

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

[Buttons]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.


But also, a person can stay in prison for a long time before they go to death row. You are always given one appeal before the decision is final. Many people petition more and it becomes a long lengthy process. Original Court + Appeals + keeping the prisoner during that time = also a lot of money.

Read.

By the way, i'm happily a libertarian.

[Buttons]

Ok, nice vent. :screwy:

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

I concur. That's a lot of people to kill not to feel any kind of remorse. I think he needs an evaluation.

[jhadleyh]

shit is kinda scary looking.

[oneSLOWex]

You guys are fucking liberal idiots. Oh he went on a killing spree but he shouldnt die, biggest load of shit ive heard today. This guy is clearly insane. No sane person would ever just wake up one day and say im gunna play sniper and hide in my trunk and kill people. Does he deserve the death sentance? Of course. Do i agree with the death sentance? Yes. I say that if you take another life then you dont deserve your own. And the way you die should be in the same way you killed. Say a man raped and shot someone and that person died. He should have a steel pipe rammed up his ass then he should be shot. And as far as the oh the soldiers kill bullshit. Yeah they do it to protect our country and our rights some will have stress some will not my buddy has over 100 confirmed kills and he dosent give two fucks. When youve been convicted of a crime i think you shouldnt have rights in prison. Nor do i think my tax dollars should be used to house and feed thoes scumbag mother fuckers. If someone were to kill someone i loved id blow their fucking brains out plain and simple. If someone were to pose a threat to me ill end that threat even if it means taking their life. Get butt hurt i dont give a fuck. The differance between me and a select few that ive seen posted and you liberal pansy ass pussys is that we the select few will be the ones that survive in any given situation and you fucks will be one ones to lay down and die. FUCK THAT DUDE FRY HIS ASS.
Im sure he thinks about all that sometimes and It has to make him think. At the same time, If he stepped out in front of those people, gun or no gun, Im sure they wouldn't hesitate to kill him. Hes killing the same people who strap bombs to themselves or children and blow up buildings, in the name of something that they THINK makes it ok to do what they are doing.

[deathrex]

Ok, nice vent. :screwy:

Glad your friend doesn't care about killing people. He's probably just gone insane. How am I a liberal idiot exactly?

Not a vent. No he hasent gone insane, its called war ive been through it. They are like animals over there eventually thats all you think of them as. They dont give two fucks about killing you so why would you give a shit about some terrorist? Someone starts firing at me ill aim to kill each and every time. Kill or be killed. All that guy was, was a terrorist. A buddy of mine was shot in the streets of iraq, even after he was dead they kept on firing at his dead body. So like i said there like animals eventually thats all they are to you, like picking off crows in a corn field real easy. Maybe youre not a liberal but that statment is, "the government shouldnt decide if i should live or die?" He didnt let thoes people decide if they wanted to live or die, and if i remember correctly a joury of your peers decide. Guess they werent on his side.

[Elbow]

Not a vent. No he hasent gone insane, its called war ive been through it. They are like animals over there eventually thats all you think of them as. They dont give two fucks about killing you so why would you give a shit about some terrorist? Someone starts firing at me ill aim to kill each and every time. Kill or be killed. All that guy was, was a terrorist. A buddy of mine was shot in the streets of iraq, even after he was dead they kept on firing at his dead body. So like i said there like animals eventually thats all they are to you, like picking off crows in a corn field real easy. Maybe youre not a liberal but that statment is, "the government shouldnt decide if i should live or die?" He didnt let thoes people decide if they wanted to live or die, and if i remember correctly a joury of your peers decide. Guess they werent on his side.

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.

[oneSLOWex]

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.
If you think about it....I wonder how many innocent people have been sentenced to death just because they were at the right place at the wrong time. Then there are situations like this where the worse it is for that guy the better.

[Total_Blender]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

[deathrex]

I agree with killing in war, I'm not against that at all. If I was there I'd be shooting right back at them.

My main point to this thread is more of the governments decisions to your LIFE. He didn't let those people decide, that's true. However the government is what rules us, it's just a scary thought to think they can decide when to kill us.


in a war situation the government is telling us to kill plain and simple. we get orders we do as were told. its part of the job.

And yes the government does decide, with the help of a joury of course. ive seen cases of life in prison after a guy killed aswell as death it depends on what the jourys feeling. Yes they can always appeal that aswell.

But in all honesty i dont want my tax dollars wasted so some killer can stay alive. instead id like to see it go back into my community to say buy more books for students in schools, Out reach progams in poor neighrborhoods so kids will stay in school instead of working the streets and joining gangs and causing more violence in our neighborhoods.

[deathrex]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.


perfect example. some will get off with life some will get death. But in reality its really guilty untill proven innocent haha.

[Elbow]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

So now I am an idiot if I don't agree with you?

[Buttons]

in a war situation the government is telling us to kill plain and simple. we get orders we do as were told. its part of the job.

And yes the government does decide, with the help of a joury of course. ive seen cases of life in prison after a guy killed aswell as death it depends on what the jourys feeling. Yes they can always appeal that aswell.

But in all honesty i dont want my tax dollars wasted so some killer can stay alive. instead id like to see it go back into my community to say buy more books for students in schools, Out reach progams in poor neighrborhoods so kids will stay in school instead of working the streets and joining gangs and causing more violence in our neighborhoods.

Evidently you aren't reading what i'm posting. I answered this twice already. It can pretty much cost the same to put someone on death row and to give someone life.

Life term - average $1.5million (cost of living equals around $20k a year)

Death Row= ORIGINAL TRIAL + ALL OF THE APPEALS + THE COST THAT IT TAKES HIM TO LIVE EACH DAY (which as i said around $20k a year)

No one kills a death row inmate the day or the day after he gets confirmed guilty. You can stay anywhere from a year to 25ish years.

[Total_Blender]

So now I am an idiot if I don't agree with you?

I thought you did agree with me? :screwy:

Perhaps I should have said "Some of you right wing idiots". :D

Its just crazy that wingnuts can talk about the "ZOMG socialist healthcare death panels" and compare them to Hitler, and then advocate a totalitarian/abusive brand of justice in the same breath. Hypocrisy, much? :screwy:

[redrumracer]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.

thats a good idea. or even tie him down and make small cuts once an hour and then every 30 min pour gas or alcohol on him.


i have no pity for those that kill outta cold blood or no good reason.

[TSiFTW]

You right-wing idiots can't understand that its our justice system and due process of law keeping our society from becoming as fucked up as Iraq and Ass-crackistan.

Sure, some violent offenders might get off easy now and then, but a sacrifice I'm willing to live with for the preservation of my own rights. I personally enjoy being innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, having my person and property protected from search and seizure without probable cause, not having to give testimony that incriminates myself if I'm subpoenaed etc etc.

I'm not a right winger, I just agree with the death penalty. I'm not a left winger by anymeans either. Funny how you say what you say though and it is the left wingers wanting to take away all of our mother fucking freedoms.

[Elbow]

I thought you did agree with me? :screwy:

Perhaps I should have said "Some of you right wing idiots". :D

Its just crazy that wingnuts can talk about the "ZOMG socialist healthcare death panels" and compare them to Hitler, and then advocate a totalitarian/abusive brand of justice in the same breath. Hypocrisy, much? :screwy:

Yeah I misread all that lol, sorry.

[tony]

I would watch him. For instance if he took Megan's life (my fiance) I would stare at him until his last breath was gone. I guess I'm a different type of person, but in my book if you live by the sword your gonna fucking die by the sword.

As much as I do not care for Capital Punishment on a personal level all rationale is out the door and I would not only want to watch but I'd lobby to do it myself. I'm right there with you.

[D3UC3S]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

stop saying gov't decides....if the jury said not guilty...it would be that..the govt wouldnt step in and say "wait wait wait..umm hes guilty and thats it"

Reps to Deathrex for pointing that out.

[tony]

I would.... I personally dont think putting a needle in his arm is being ok. id put a bullet in him for every person he killed. his "mental state" as they put it was fine. just because he turned into muslim to kill us and get his virgins doesnt mean he wasnt in the right state of mind. Both of them need to die for what they have done. and im sorry if anyone feels different but personally im tired of houseing and feeding the people that go out a murder people just because "they can" its a slap in the face to every american when they inflict harm on us and we house them. I dont care if its prison or not and how ruff it is. they still killed and need to be killed because of it. and the humane way of doing things is bullshit. hey lets put him to sleep then let him slip off in his sleep so its painless.. people please. 3/4 of the time they stand there and watch there victums bleed out and enjoy it. only remorse they have is being caught. so ya know what.. kill them how they killed others.


The problem is that the judicial system is far from perfect and not every inmate on death row committed the crime of which they are charged. If even one person is falsely convicted then it nulls the affect of Capital Punishment.

[neon_ert3]

Stolen from another site, but I'd go with this.

Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras. We could put all of this on a pay-per-view channel.

im payin good money to see this!
i never understood how ppl could want serial killers/murderers/rapist to have a chance at life!! there victums had no chance at all! i say they fukn die slow and ill look them dead in the eyes the whole time :2up:

[Elbow]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

stop saying gov't decides....if the jury said not guilty...it would be that..the govt wouldnt step in and say "wait wait wait..umm hes guilty and thats it"

Reps to Deathrex for pointing that out.

Even scarier.

Thanks for clarifying though, I didn't know that.

[D3UC3S]

Even scarier.

Thanks for clarifying though, I didn't know that.

anything to help sugar tits:)

[Ziptied]

I've always said eye for an eye. What you do to others should be done to you. I firmly believe in the death penalty.

[On_Her_Face]

The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

So all that torture bullshit you guys are talking about will never happen. If the death penalty even stays on the books much longer it will be lethal injection.

If you John Birch Society assholes really want to live in a society like that, there are plenty of places in the developing world where you can enjoy public executions.

It's not to enjoy, it's to provide justice for wrong acts. Somethings can not be corrected in life, so what do you do with them? THROW THEM AWAY.

Prime example, here in Knoxville a few years ago a girl was kidnapped and forced to give 3 guys head and then they poured anti-freeze down her throat. Finally had sex with her corpse. That is somebody's daughter/friend/girlfriend. Be in their shoes for just a second. You want those people to just be put in jail? What kind of punishment is that? Free food, living etc. It may be shitty but it could be worse for them. I say fuck that and your opinion, they should be put to death by chair, injection, gun, or whatever, I give no fuck about anybody that performs actions like that.

Sorry for the rant and what not but some of you all are fucking idiots to let people live when this type of shit goes down.

Edit: Also if I were to decide the way of death per cause it would be the same act but turned against whoever the criminal is.

[Total_Blender]

The govt doesn't decide, A JURY OF YOUR PEERS DOES

.

Jury determines guilt or innocence. Judge handles the sentencing.

[imperception]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang. :2up:

So how do you propose handle serial murderers and rapists, child molesters etc...put tax payers dollars to work even further by keeping them in prison longer...or possibly start an island/penal colony in south pacific somewhere?

[Total_Blender]

Prime example, here in Knoxville a few years ago etc.

When society counters killing with more killing, it really reduces society to the level of the criminals it is trying to condemn. I would think life without any possibility of parole would be acceptable in that circumstance. On a personal level its not very gratifying, but it does get the perpetrators off the streets and that's what the main intent of the system is.

Besides that, the death penalty is just about the only punishment that is un-reversable. Innocent people have been killed by the States, just the possibility of that happening at all makes the case against the death penalty in my mind. According to the leading authority on this subject, Dr. Wik E. Pedia, at least 15 people have been wrongly executed in the US since 1992. :eek:

[FlipKing]

Pour gas on the bastard then light a match 3 hours later and burn his ass.

[oneSLOWex]

When society counters killing with more killing, it really reduces society to the level of the criminals it is trying to condemn. I would think life without any possibility of parole would be acceptable in that circumstance. On a personal level its not very gratifying, but it does get the perpetrators off the streets and that's what the main intent of the system is.

Besides that, the death penalty is just about the only punishment that is un-reversable. Innocent people have been killed by the States, just the possibility of that happening at all makes the case against the death penalty in my mind. According to the leading authority on this subject, Dr. Wik E. Pedia, at least 15 people have been wrongly executed in the US since 1992. :eek:

Why pay for the ones who are guilty to live for nothing, comfortable or not?

[Total_Blender]

Why pay for the ones who are guilty to live for nothing, comfortable or not?

The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

[Buttons]

The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

Reps for being the only person who agreed with me.

I've stated already three times, it doesn't just cost the "lethal injection" when you kill someone. it is also the court fees.

[Buttons]

Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.

Cost per execution for drugs used : $86.08

[Greddypacked]

Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.

Cost per execution for drugs used : $86.08

That's alot cheaper than keeping a prisoner for life lol. Government pays everyday for prisoners to be kept captive.

[Buttons]

That's alot cheaper than keeping a prisoner for life lol. Government pays everyday for prisoners to be kept captive.

see below quote


The cost of all the legal red-tape associated with executing a prisoner runs about even with the costs of housing that prisoner for life without parole. Court proceedings can sometimes total tens of thousands of dollars per day. Also, the added cost of operating a "death row" apart from the general population. I'm not sure what the execution itself costs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap.

[oneSLOWex]

Sounds like some things need to be changed then....if the mf'er is guilty....dont let him go back to court 1000000000000000 times thats just dumb.

[FlipKing]

Ummm...Court happens death penalty or not...so that shouldnt be in the equation.

[Buttons]

Sounds like some things need to be changed then....if the mf'er is guilty....dont let him go back to court 1000000000000000 times thats just dumb.

You are legally allowed at least one appeal. Even if the accused doesn't want to, you are to have one appeal for capital punishments.

[Buttons]

Ummm...Court happens death penalty or not...so that shouldnt be in the equation.

Uh, ever heard of the word A-P-P-E-A-L?

[collins]

that's cause you're a extremist lol
:lmfao::lmfao: an extremist because he has a different opinion than you? lol ok.


If I was going to be in prison for life or executed, I'd want to die, so this isn't a very FAIR punishment. It's an easy way out. I've never quite understood it.
trust me, hell has more fury than a damn prison cell.


Eye for an eye seems fair enough to me.
heard that


The 8th amendment of the constitution protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. "Cruel and unusual punishment" is defined as any punishment that uses humiliation or suffering in a general disregard to human dignity. This definition has been used in the SCOTUS cases that have challenged corporeal/capital punishments.

So all that torture bullshit you guys are talking about will never happen. If the death penalty even stays on the books much longer it will be lethal injection.

If you John Birch Society assholes really want to live in a society like that, there are plenty of places in the developing world where you can enjoy public executions.

so you like the idea of them living another day after some of the shit they did?


I dont see anywhere in that article they say that sniper is ex military.
i dont believe thats what she was trying to say here


Does it really make them right? To kill also? Just puts them on his level...
it absolutely does not. thats called carrying out justice.


I'm sorry but I really wouldn't ever wish someone to die a long slow death, no matter what.
fuck that, i would.

The island idea might also sound harsh, but kicking out the bad in society. You don't want to be around it so you send it off. Well none of the other countries want the scum either. So you give him his own island and let him try to start over and fend for himself.

here's why i dont like that idea... thats giving them a fresh start. anyone with the desire to live can kill some native animals, start a fire, eat and survive. hell, it might be the most relaxing life they've ever known.


now, i'm not saying the death penalty is for everyone as that would be ridiculous and would most likely mean i'm literally insane for thinking so. but i most definately think it has its place in society. i believe it was billy that said it keeps those that ARE sane in check.

[FlipKing]

Uh, ever heard of the word A-P-P-E-A-L?


Appeals happen in most cases, death penalty too, there fore court doesnt affect cost compared to death penalty vs life.

[Buttons]

Appeals happen in most cases, death penalty too, there fore court doesnt affect cost compared to death penalty vs life.

But you are allowed to do as many appeals as you can. Then people can always petition that it's Unfair for them to die.

I remember some guy took it up with the courts that he was only being put on death row because he was fat.

capital court costs vs regular court cost is really DIFFERENT. lol

[Total_Blender]

It costs the State about $40 per day to house a prisoner in our fabulous "for profit" prison system. Since its privatized, we as taxpayers don't see any of the profit, of course.

As far as allowing the prisoners to go to court "1000000000x times," its all a part of due process. If you were in the position of being incarcerated for a crime you did not commit, and found new evidence which would exonerate you, you might see it the other way around.

:goodjob:

[Hundo®]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang. :2up:


shut up faggot. death sentence is definitely something that should be around. there are human being that do not deserve to live.

[Total_Blender]

there are human being that do not deserve to live.

Tell us how you really feel. :rolleyes:

[CasadeWaffle]

Nothing wrong with the death penalty. IMO all rapists and murderers who are convicted should be put to death without a chance for a second chance at life. And by rapists I don't mean a 16 year old kid who had intercourse with his girlfriend, I mean a guy 16+ taking advantage of a girl/guy without permission. And by murder I mean one that was with the intent to cause harm, not for shooting a a guy that broke into your house. I also don't believe in "life sentences" but that's me...

[tony]

Nothing wrong with the death penalty. IMO all rapists and murderers who are convicted

Are they all guilty if convicted?

[CasadeWaffle]

Are they all guilty if convicted?

I think so, but I am not positive as I don't know too much legal jargon...But I think I got my basic point across...if you take a life I don't think you deserve a second chance at yours...I think we should all treat others how we want to be treated, atleast that's how I live...

[tony]

I had to look it up but quoted from Columbia University:


Of the 5,760 death sentences imposed in the study period, 4,578 (79%) were finally reviewed on "direct appeal" by a state high court. Of those, 1,885 (41%; over two out of five) were thrown out because of "serious error," i.e., error that the reviewing court concludes has seriously undermined the reliability of the outcome or otherwise "harmed" the defendant


Of the death sentences that survived state direct and post-conviction review, 599 were finally reviewed in a first habeas corpus petition during the 23-year study period.37 Of those 599, 237 (40%; two out of five) were overturned due to serious error.38

and


The seriousness of these errors is also revealed by what happens on retrial, when the errors are cured. In our state post-conviction study, an astonishing 82% (247 out of 301) of the capital judgments that were reversed were replaced on retrial with a sentence less than death, or no sentence at all.44 In the latter regard, 7% (22/301) of the reversals for serious error resulted in a determination on retrial that the defendant was not guilty of the capital offense.

40% of cases reviewed brought forth errors that seriously altered the outcome of the sentence. Proof that not all individuals convicted of crimes and sentenced to death are deserving of the sentence. The cases we hear about are typically televised but there are many that fall under the radar and due to the lack of proper representation are placed on death row.

[claybird]

Eye for an eye seems fair enough to me.

Thats whats up

goverment did'nt choose his life. He made the decision to take the risk!

[VooDooXII]

I did a speech and a research paper on why I think the death penalty is wrong. I just feel like it makes us no better than them.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

Personally if he can decide when someone's life is going to be ever, so can the death sentence.

[02SloWrx]

Yeah, whether or not he killed my friend or family member, I wouldn't want to see him killed.

I wouldnt want to see him killed, I would love to pull the trigger and kill him my self if they gave me premission to do so.

[JJSPEC Racing]

Everyone has their own opinion on it so discussion here will not change anyone's opinion. Just some food for thought. Someone killed your mother/sister/or daughter and there were 3 witnesses, and the person for sure did it. Would you feel they did, or did not deserve the death penalty? That is something that only you can answer. Every murder victim is someones son or daughter at least.

[The Creeper]

I am for the death penalty. The touchy part is what Tony was getting at...Our court system is hard to trust enough to be hasty with the death sentence. Now people that plead guilty to murder and other horrendous crimes, should immediately get the death penalty.

[DunDunSkeert]

So you would rather your tax money go to keeping some piece of shit alive than just give him what he deserves and make the world a better place?

[CasadeWaffle]

Everyone has their own opinion on it so discussion here will not change anyone's opinion. Just some food for thought. Someone killed your mother/sister/or daughter and there were 3 witnesses, and the person for sure did it. Would you feel they did, or did not deserve the death penalty? That is something that only you can answer. Every murder victim is someones son or daughter at least.

If someone for sure killed a family member of mine, I would definitely want the death penalty for them. It would never bring that person back to life, but it would give me peace of mind knowing that murderer will not live to kill again and he will not be able to enjoy life anymore. Life is gift, and every breath that man takes would be like a slap in the face to me if he was kept alive. that's just how I feel though...

[tony]

I am for the death penalty. The touchy part is what Tony was getting at...Our court system is hard to trust enough to be hasty with the death sentence. Now people that plead guilty to murder and other horrendous crimes, should immediately get the death penalty.

Absolutely I could agree with that, but usually when a plea is given the death penalty is avoided. With the error rate, just think that any of us at the wrong place at the wrong time could be convicted and sentenced for a crime we did not commit.

[Elbow]

Everyone has their own opinion on it so discussion here will not change anyone's opinion. Just some food for thought. Someone killed your mother/sister/or daughter and there were 3 witnesses, and the person for sure did it. Would you feel they did, or did not deserve the death penalty? That is something that only you can answer. Every murder victim is someones son or daughter at least.

I really can't answer that as it's never happened. I personally right NOW feel like I wouldn't want that. I think I personally would feel a type of guilt the rest of my life.

However, I feel like if I saw the act happening, had a gun, and shot to kill them. I wouldn't feel as bad. :???:

I'm not trying to change anyones opinions, this has been a good civil discussion nobody has gotten pissed off and nobody has tried to say someone is wrong. :cheers:

[Total_Blender]

Justice in a jury trial isn't about what personally gratifies the victim, its about what punishment fits the crime according to the rule of law. Eye for eye and all that other religious dogma doesn't mean doodley squat when it comes to the law.

As far as "would you want your tax dollars paying for _____ " goes... you don't get to cherry-pick where your tax dollars are spent when it comes to issues you disagree with.

I don't like my tax dollars being spent in pointless wars with Iraq and Afghanistan, but theres nothing I can do about that. I don't like my tax dollars being given to companies like AIG and Bear Stearns who ask for bailouts and then give out 6 figure bonuses for their employees, but theres nothing I can do about that either.

[Hundo®]

i think pussies who oppose the death sentence should get the death sentence.

[Hundo®]

Justice in a jury trial isn't about what personally gratifies the victim, its about what punishment fits the crime according to the rule of law. Eye for eye and all that other religious dogma doesn't mean doodley squat when it comes to the law.

As far as "would you want your tax dollars paying for _____ " goes... you don't get to cherry-pick where your tax dollars are spent when it comes to issues you disagree with.

I don't like my tax dollars being spent in pointless wars with Iraq and Afghanistan, but theres nothing I can do about that. I don't like my tax dollars being given to companies like AIG and Bear Stearns who ask for bailouts and then give out 6 figure bonuses for their employees, but theres nothing I can do about that either.


i don't like my tax dollars being spent on socialized medicine, but there's not hing i can do about that. AMEN.

[§treet_§peed]

Best thing America has in the justice system. The death sentence. I could name a few close people that I know that if someone killed them. I could watch if not help them die. Old school law ftw. Eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth.

[Lankhoss]

There should be no death sentence, we should just have vigilante justice. No rules, just when you fuck with someone.......if you get caught, their family can then get ahold of you and get "justice" anyway they see fit.

I think this would cut down on a lot of crime.

[Hundo®]

There should be no death sentence, we should just have vigilante justice. No rules, just when you fuck with someone.......if you get caught, their family can then get ahold of you and get "justice" anyway they see fit.

I think this would cut down on a lot of crime.

god damn right it would. most familys would dismember people. cut off appendages slowly with butter knives. etc etc. vengeance would be sweet!

[VooDooXII]

i don't like my tax dollars being spent on socialized medicine, but there's not hing i can do about that. AMEN.

So basically, you just really enjoy the thought of people dying?

[Total_Blender]

This thread isn't so much about justice as it is about "Angry White Male" syndrome. :ninja::lmfao:

[Maverick]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution

Sick ass people IMO. "Why shouldn't I watch him take his last breath?"

UM BECAUSE IT'S MORALLY WRONG.

I don't think the death sentence should be around, NOBODY can tell me my life is over. If I was in that matter, I would go ape shit and kill every person I could in the room or at least go out with a bang. :2up:

uh an eye for an eye dood. too bad he doesnt have more than 1 life to be taken away. who wakes up in the morning and goes, man i feel like killing people for no reason? worlds a better place without him.

[claybird]

Personally if he can decide when someone's life is going to be ever, so can the death sentence.

Thats whats up