Callout SP33D FR3AK and Evan Johnson

[Vteckidd]

Lets see if you K Units can hang with the old tech B series.


Kyle i want a dig run and a slow roll.

Evan i want the same.

Dont hide from me

[btstone]

make sure u are there tomorrow

[Vteckidd]

I'll be there make sure you're ready to roll I'm not hanging out for hours

[oleblue]

Run KIZDAWAY in an all motor battle..

[Sentra]

Run KIZDAWAY in an all motor battle..

Yes, please.

[Vteckidd]

Who is that? Kyle makes more power than me but he has a heavy chassis

Evan and I are power and close to same weight

doesn't this kidz guy have a k powered integra or something?

[NEMO]

Who is that? Kyle makes more power than me but he has a heavy chassis

Evan and I are power and close to same weight

doesn't this kidz guy have a k powered integra or something?
no he has a hatch on the bottle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaxHHSpMQBc

[Mista Foe-Doe]

^ wht he said

[NEMO]

mike you can also find him calling out all the srt in this thread http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259962

[oleblue]

Who is that? Kyle makes more power than me but he has a heavy chassis

Evan and I are power and close to same weight

doesn't this kidz guy have a k powered integra or something?

He has a k'd 92-95 civic hatch. He is the one that called out us srt-4's on pump gas like NEMO said. I have never seen his car run on motor but it should be a good run between you two motor to motor I would say.

[ejohnson88]

Depending on how you do against me will determine how things go with him... Where are you looking at having this go down kidd?

[ejohnson88]

And All I have is street tires... so If you got DR's this might not be worth the time to watch?

[ejohnson88]

At least as far as a dig is concerned.

[ejohnson88]

and if you actually have a 2400lb CRX I'd be surprised... we DO NOT have the same weight mind you.


*Sorry about the multiple replys... little scatter brained this morning*


SO slow roll 20-120?

[Vteckidd]

Tonight is the last night on my drag radials, so we can run on street tires if you want. I have access to both but my DR are about gone.

91 HF weighs 2150, i weigh 205lbs. so we are close ot the same weight, i would say within 100lbs of each other, but you have to remember you have a 30 ft/lb TQ advantage over me too (2.0 vs 1.8 and yes i have overlayed our dyno graphs).

[Vteckidd]

no he has a hatch on the bottle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaxHHSpMQBc

on the bottle wouldnt be worth his time, he would prob destroy me. Off bottle, if its a stock motor with bolt ons would be a good race, if hes got a built motor or something he will kill me .

Is he secretive about his setup ?

[ejohnson88]

Lol dude.. my car is 2400 without me... just shy of 2600 with me in it and I weigh 170 haha

And I probably wont be free till sunday evening.

You only make 110 torque?

And a 91 CRX HF weighs in at 1967 lbs... where are you getting your information from?

[collins]

he adds dynomat :ninja:

[Vteckidd]

Lol dude.. my car is 2400 without me... just shy of 2600 with me in it and I weigh 170 haha

And I probably wont be free till sunday evening.

You only make 110 torque?

And a 91 CRX HF weighs in at 1967 lbs... where are you getting your information from?

1995 Honda civic EX Curb Weight- 2500 , even a DX weighs 2274lbs

Maybe mine is a DX then, but it depends where you get your info the weight varies from website to website. I know at the scales it was just over 2350 with me in it.

i weigh 205, B series adds 50lbs , wheels weigh more, etc etc etc. So we are are close to 200 lb difference. Thats alot, but generally speaking we are close to the same weight. Its not like im racing collins who drives a sherman tank


As far as the TQ increase, again, stop looking at PEAK numbers, you have roughly a 30ft/lb advantage over me under the curve starting from 3000rpms. sometimes its less, sometimes its more. Thats what having a 2.0l does

[NEMO]

on the bottle wouldnt be worth his time, he would prob destroy me. Off bottle, if its a stock motor with bolt ons would be a good race, if hes got a built motor or something he will kill me .

Is he secretive about his setup ?
i dont think he is. never really talked to him.

[ejohnson88]

How is that going to affect a Roll Race Kidd? When I wont ever be below 6000? So you stop looking at areas that wont even MATTER. Damn I wish I had that 30 extra torque from 3000 rpm ago! Do they make a torque extender so i can use it later?

You already know you will win lol

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=650219
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_Exterior.aspx?year=1991&make=Honda&model=Civic&trimid=-1
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1991/honda/civiccrx/3923/specs.html

Heh pretty sure the information most places is pretty consistant. But anyways. I know the motor and tires add weight so if you did pick up 100+ lbs then grats.

[Vteckidd]

How is that going to affect a Roll Race Kidd? When I wont ever be below 6000?

You already know you will win lol

do you like hearing the own sound of your voice when you argue?

I said STARTING AT 3000 meaning from the jump you make more power throughout the ENTIRE POWER BAND.

I make 202/139, you make 194/141

Weight is a disadvantage to you, but then you make more power. Its about as even as you can get given we have different chassis and motor setups. Im not doing this for bragging rights, so i would like a dig and a slow roll.

[collins]

Its not like im racing collins who drives a sherman tank




:lmfao: that made me LIRL

[Vteckidd]

How is that going to affect a Roll Race Kidd? When I wont ever be below 6000? So you stop looking at areas that wont even MATTER. Damn I wish I had that 30 extra torque from 3000 rpm ago! Do they make a torque extender so i can use it later?

You already know you will win lol

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=650219
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_Exterior.aspx?year=1991&make=Honda&model=Civic&trimid=-1
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1991/honda/civiccrx/3923/specs.html

Heh pretty sure the information most places is pretty consistant. But anyways.

some places say 1968, some say 1975, some say 1960, some say 1967, SOME 89s weigh more some dont because of the seatbelts in the door.

Is that FULL CURB weight which usually means full tank of gas, etc. Just like your car i found stuff from 2275-2575 for a MANUAL EX.

[Vteckidd]

honestly we can debate shit all you want, you can be like Desi and complain i rev too high, or you can just say yes, and setup a time

[ejohnson88]

Lol I never said no. I am just saying that the claims you are making don't even apply and aren't completely correct. If you want to take power figures I don't make more power than you... Unless you wanting to start from 2000RPM... which I highly doubt will Happen. I already TOLD you Sunday night will be the first time I will be free.

[ejohnson88]

Oh and 89's weigh less due to the added features in the 91's lol So which year do you have? 91 or 89? Either way doesn't matter So you want to set something up Sunday night? Maybe we could put together a little meet or something somewhere up north?

[Vteckidd]

Lol I never said no. I am just saying that the claims you are making don't even apply and aren't completely correct. If you want to take power figures I don't make more power than you... Unless you wanting to start from 2000RPM... which I highly doubt will Happen. I already TOLD you Sunday night will be the first time I will be free.

Seriously it's like arguing with a brick wall. You don't comprehend what I'm saying so you make stupid assumptions that I then have to explain for 5 pages. But then you don't understand my explanation or you find some one on the Internet and beleive everything you read.

I'm not gonna debate crxs with someone that hasn't owned 20 like I have or debate stupid topics like how to read a dyno graph

you weigh more I make more powering should win. There that ends that

Sunday it is

[Vteckidd]

And no don't make a meet out of it I hate spectators

[ejohnson88]

Lol well we already know the outcome of this race so why not at least have some fun before and After?

You obviously don't comprehend what I am saying and Obviously like hearing yourself talk when your trying to say that the power differences at 3000rpm are really going to affect a Roll Race or even a drag race -.- When you're launching 5k +

[ejohnson88]

Grats on the 13.4 btw... You're easily in 12's territory if you are trapping 106. you ran 13.4 at 104... I had a 13.5 at 101 and I shifted to 5th lol.

[ejohnson88]

I personally think you should race KIzDaWay... that would be a lot closer matchup.

[Vteckidd]

D.
I said STARTING AT 3000 meaning from the jump you make more power throughout the ENTIRE POWER BAND.

in case you missed it

[ejohnson88]

I never denied that I made more power at 3000 RPM... All I said was that that point is mute because when racing... easpecially with motors that Rev to 9k+ like yours? when are you ever going to be in that part of your power band. That's the point I am trying to make.

IN CASE YOU MISSED THAT.

[Vteckidd]

You're retarded do you not know what a powerband is? I said starting at 3000rpms. Entire power band means from 3000-8600 where you shift.

Christ

[ejohnson88]

ARE YOU RETARDED? lol please... show everyone here where exactly i made a statement that discredited my understanding of a power band...

Do you or do you not agree that power made at 3k RPM has no effect on a roll race where you will only be in the range of 6k-9k RPM? Why do you keep making stupid comments?

[Lurker]

Ha ha, you two married?

[ejohnson88]

What you are saying has the factual weight of "my car makes more power at idle" right now in the context of a race >.<

[ejohnson88]

45-130 street tires. That's my offer for shits and giggles.

[ejohnson88]

Lol no we are not married we just both like to argue.

[NEMO]

JUST RACE!!!!!!!!!!

[ejohnson88]

Lol I am not free till Sunday.... so it can't happen till then.

[NEMO]

Lol I am not free till Sunday.... so it can't happen till then.
what kind of car is your K in?

[SmackedInATL]

and if you actually have a 2400lb CRX I'd be surprised... we DO NOT have the same weight mind you.


*Sorry about the multiple replys... little scatter brained this morning*


SO slow roll 20-120?

Do Vteckidd like you did that Cobra.

[ejohnson88]

What was up with that cobra?
Lol Vteckidd should get me... he traps 5mph faster... The hatch on motor really would be a closer race... don't know why he wants to waste time on me... But I'll run for shits and giggles cause I don't give a FUCK, every day of my life... All I do.. All I do......

[ejohnson88]

Oh and Nemo, Full weight coupe.

[Vteckidd]

ARE YOU RETARDED? lol please... show everyone here where exactly i made a statement that discredited my understanding of a power band...

Do you or do you not agree that power made at 3k RPM has no effect on a roll race where you will only be in the range of 6k-9k RPM? Why do you keep making stupid comments?

Ok let me explain it as simply as possible.

I said you make more power starting at 3000rpms. I said you had a much more powerful powerband. You keep saying that I am somehow stating that you make more power at 3000rpms

you idiot I'm saying starting at 3000 and continuing to redline you make an average of 20-30 more tq than me. I beat you in peak hp but only for about 300rpms

but from 3000-8200 you have more power

of fucking course 3000 -4000 rpms doesn't mean shit in a drag race but I never said it did. I just said that your motor makes more power everywhere over mine

but it's obvious you can't read a dyno or you don't know how to look at area under the curve or what a multiple cells mean.

[Vteckidd]

Quit bench racing talking about 4mph trap speeds lol. Tom ran 13.3 with 101 trap but I guess I would be faster huh

just line them up

[Vteckidd]

45-130 street tires. That's my offer for shits and giggles.

As discussed many times I cannot run past 110-115 that's where 4th gear ends.

But I'm sure you'll tell me how I'm wrong

[ejohnson88]

Lol So you make 120 torque? How the FUCK do I make 20-30 more torque EVERYWHERE if I make 141 and you make 139?

Slowly some factual basis comes out of your argument.... but your ORIGINAL CLAIM was that my "30 ft/lbs of torque gave me an advantage..."

"you idiot I'm saying starting at 3000 and continuing to redline you make an average of 20-30 more tq than me. I beat you in peak hp but only for about 300rpms"
-VtecKidd

AND FOR FUCKS SAKE I CAN READ A FUCKING DYNO GRAPH THAT'S HOW I KNOW I DON'T MAKE 20-30 MORE TORQUE EVERYWHERE! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KIDD.

You look like the one that cannot read right now.

[ejohnson88]

How short is your 4th gear, if your running to 106 in third? And no I am not saying your wrong.

[ejohnson88]

And area under the curve? I've taken more calculus classes than you'll ever take lol Don't try to school me on Area under the curve, you probably don't even know how to solve the most basic of integrals and derivatives. And that was Calc 1 for me :P

[ejohnson88]

if you are running a basic B16 tranny which ends around 112ish mph at 8000rpm in 4th if you rev it to 9000rpm you should be able to go 125 no? as Far as gear ratios are concerned.

Here is my information... correct me if I am wrong please.
http://hondaswap.com/reference-materials/b-series-tranny-speed-vs-mph-28672/

[Vteckidd]

Lol So you make 120 torque? How the FUCK do I make 20-30 more torque EVERYWHERE if I make 141 and you make 139?

again learn how to read a dyno. That statement right there shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you think I make 139tq from idle to redline?

[ejohnson88]

You're the one saying that I make 20-30 EVERYWHERE which would mean that you only make a max of 120 if my max is 140. Lol simple math much? Lol and and where in my statement did I say that I THINK you make 139 torque across the graph? Please show me how you pulled that out of my statements? All of your statements are really starting me make me question what your "Real World Experience" has taught you.

AND AGAIN SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE DISCREDITED MY ABILITY TO READ A DYNO. I HAVE YET TO SEE PROOF. I love how you put words in my mouth and state things I have never stated in order to Discredit me. It really helps your argument ;) Promise!

Anyways I offered 45-130, take it or leave it. That's the race I will give you if you want to race me... Otherwise it's a no.

[UpSideDownDesi]

another episode of vtecdramaqueen tryin to down play his car and makin up things

[Vteckidd]

Jesus it's like arguing with amateurs.

At certain rpms ou make more power than me it tapers off toward the top

do you have any idea what displacement means? So if I said I have an h22 that makes 204 and my car makes 202 it's an even race right? Let me show you how it's NOT

I'll post dynoes when I get home

[Evil Goat]

another episode of vtecdramaqueen tryin to down play his car and makin up things

why don't you shut your no racing whore of a mouth the fuck up....i witnessed vteckidd's car going mid 13's...he ain't downplaying shit, facts are facts you stupid asshole

[UpSideDownDesi]

why don't you shut your no racing whore of a mouth the fuck up....i witnessed vteckidd's car going mid 13's...he ain't downplaying shit, facts are facts you stupid asshole

:boohoo:

this is a repeated pattern in all of his thread either called out or calling out someone... "facts are facts".

[Vteckidd]

another episode of vtecdramaqueen tryin to down play his car and makin up things

Why don't you go take out another loan on the fd to fix your Subaru

[UpSideDownDesi]

Why don't you go take out another loan on the fd to fix your Subaru

u know it and now show me where i said i am taking out loans? Speakin out of ur ass again?

Mr. IknowItAll, i am truely impressed by your worthless cheap shot comments...no kidding. I'll be at meet tonight, but sadly won't be running anyone...lets set it up next week, day time run. I know u luv creating drama, but try to hold it back this time around.

[SmackedInATL]

Hehehehehe, lol

[Vteckidd]

Desi you won't do shit fix your car an let me know when it's ready not when I think it's ready.

[Evil Goat]

u know it and now show me where i said i am taking out loans? Speakin out of ur ass again?

Mr. IknowItAll, i am truely impressed by your worthless cheap shot comments...no kidding. I'll be at meet tonight, but sadly won't be running anyone...lets set it up next week, day time run. I know u luv creating drama, but try to hold it back this time around.

stop writing checks that shitbaru can't cash....didn't you already setup a race and then tucked tail and ran like a bitch from it?

[UpSideDownDesi]

stop writing checks that shitbaru can't cash....didn't you already setup a race and then tucked tail and ran like a bitch from it?

lol you are on the same track as kidd, btw i don't use checks. They came out with a thing called Debit card :). No one tucked tail, thread is some where here. U r welcome to go through 40 pages of e-drama.

[Vteckidd]

Nah goat he tried to run last thursday after I said I couldn't make it 4 hours earlier.

I told people I was gping tonight so magically "he's not racing"

alas I won't be out bstone cancelled he's got strep we will reschedule

[Vteckidd]

Upsidedowndesi took out a loan on his mint fd lol thought he was ballin

run a carfax onhis fd an see if you can figure out why it dissappeared for 5 years

[UpSideDownDesi]

Nah goat he tried to run last thursday after I said I couldn't make it 4 hours earlier.

I told people I was gping tonight so magically "he's not racing"

alas I won't be out bstone cancelled he's got strep we will reschedule

Just like last time you didn't have time, i don't have time today. I am only gonna be there for 30 mins or less, goin out with friends :goodjob:, but if anything cancels, I'll be there and down to run tonight.



Upsidedowndesi took out a loan on his mint fd lol thought he was ballin

run a carfax onhis fd an see if you can figure out why it dissappeared for 5 years


If i show you the title to FD in my hand, (edit) you sign the title of CRX as it sits to me and if don't have the title i sign the title of WRX and give it to you :goodjob:. Time for you to get ur facts rite and tuck ur tail and run.

You seriously are a stalker aren't you, follow me around here, facebook, other forums, to clubs, and now running carfax's on my cars....wow. (BTW how did u get my vin?)

[ejohnson88]

I will go ahead and post the dyno graphs so we don't have to wait. I went ahead and did a rough overlay since I don't have the dyno software to overlay the two graphs... but you can just take a loot at the originals and the overlays. The Over lay has my Power in Green and Torque in Orange. Vteckidds Torque and Power are both in Black. The ONLY Time that I have more power THROUGH OUT ENTIRE RPM BAND is is a small gap between 4600 and 5000 and about 5100 to 6100, with a peak gap of about 20hp at about 5500-5600ish. Now torque which you have been claiming I make 20-30 more torque through out the ENTIRE POWER BAND
"you have a 30 ft/lb TQ advantage over me too (2.0 vs 1.8 and yes i have overlayed our dyno graphs)."
"As far as the TQ increase, again, stop looking at PEAK numbers, you have roughly a 30ft/lb advantage over me under the curve starting from 3000rpms. sometimes its less, sometimes its more. Thats what having a 2.0l does"
"I said STARTING AT 3000 meaning from the jump you make more power throughout the ENTIRE POWER BAND."
"you idiot I'm saying starting at 3000 and continuing to redline you make an average of 20-30 more tq than me. I beat you in peak hp but only for about 300rpms"
"but from 3000-8200 you have more power"

Alright lets look at those Torque Curves:
We make the SAME TORQUE FROM 3000 to 4500ISH I take the lead in torque from 4500 to 6200ish where I make 20ish more torque from 5400 to 5800... a whole 400 RPM Whoop Dee Doo... Then from 6200 on... well would you look at that we make just about the SAME TORQUE All the way to Redline!! and You Rev 900 RPM higher than me.

"Pretty much what i accomplished was now i can safely rev to 9500 with the PRO valvetrain."


That 20 trq Difference in the mid 5k's still doesn't really give me an advantage over you like you say it does because if you are Revving to 9500 like you say you do, then You're Power band that is used during RACING is never going to go near that... You're gear ratios are too close for you to shift at 9500 and drop to 5500.... Hell I shift at 8600 and I don't even go below 6k.

Now who knows how to read a Dyno graph? Good Fucking Lord.

[Vteckidd]

Hey Evan what gear were those done in?

I'm not going to debate any further cause it turns into 20 pages of bullshit. See you Sunday

Meet at bp

[ejohnson88]

Oh and theoretically since your 4th gear tops out at 112ish mph revving to 9500 should net you around a top speed of 133 mph. Unless you have some set of unknown gear ratios.

So like I said 45-130 is the race I will give you.

[Vteckidd]

Oh and theoretically since your 4th gear tops out at 112ish mph revving to 9500 should net you around a top speed of 133 mph. Unless you have some set of unknown gear ratios.

So like I said 45-130 is the race I will give you.

i like how you make assumptions on my setup when you have zero knowledge. I know EVERYTHING about your car, you dont know anything about mine. YOu have no idea what FD i have, what gearset im running etc.

As i have stated 1000000 times before, my car STOPS at 115mph. I WILL NOT RACE YOU TO 130mph and thats retarded considering we BOTH trap under 110 in the quarter.

So either you run 40-120 (we will both lift before 120 but we can say 120 if that makes you feel better)

or 20-110

45-130 is retarded and is NOT going to happen, i dont have the chassis even close to setup to run those kind of speeds, especially with the diff i have

[Lankhoss]

LOL, more downplaying and made up "facts" from Vteckidd!

[ejohnson88]

Exactly Why I Said "UNless You have an unknown set of Gear Ratios." Can't you fucking read?

[Vteckidd]

LOL, more downplaying and made up "facts" from Vteckidd!

I LOVE how you idiots say i make up shit but

1) My timeslips are all over the internet
2) My setup, engine, parts list is ALL OVER the internet
3) Ive race plenty of people to know how fast my fucking car is
4) ive run at tracks where other IA people VIDEOTAPED me and saw how fast my car is
5) I have video tape of my car running through the gears and me shifting

WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Downplaying? Evan is skewing the information to make his point, hes missing one key component but im not going to tell him what it is, ill wait till after we race.


I ran a 13.5 on 20" slicks shifting to 5th with my GF in the car. on a 2.0 60ft.

Its really simple. If anyone is downplaying its him, not me. He said he ran 13.5 with a passenger in the car? so one tenth off my BEST time and he weighs 400-500lbs more with a passenger AND mishifted ? And im the one sandbagging, right.


Whats even funnier is how i make up facts, and im a ricer, but you are ALL OVER Btstone nuts and he can quote numbers straight out of his ass with no facts and its "why should he have any proof"

I have fucking proof an you still dont believe me lol

[ejohnson88]

I can do 40-120.

[ejohnson88]

Lol How is that downplaying I ran what I ran. I was saying that if I could do that, when you get your 60' down and find a set of slicks that works for you you'll definitely be in the 12's.

[Vteckidd]

Exactly Why I Said "UNless You have an unknown set of Gear Ratios." Can't you fucking read?

you talk mighty tough on the internet, we will see how it is in person. Pretty high and mighty for someone that wouldnt even take a phone call from me.

No more rhetoric, stay on topic. Answer the last part of post


So either you run 40-120 (we will both lift before 120 but we can say 120 if that makes you feel better)

or 20-110

45-130 is retarded and is NOT going to happen, i dont have the chassis even close to setup to run those kind of speeds, especially with the diff i have

[Lankhoss]

I LOVE how you idiots say i make up shit but

1) My timeslips are all over the internet
2) My setup, engine, parts list is ALL OVER the internet
3) Ive race plenty of people to know how fast my fucking car is
4) ive run at tracks where other IA people VIDEOTAPED me and saw how fast my car is
5) I have video tape of my car running through the gears and me shifting

WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Downplaying? Evan is skewing the information to make his point, hes missing one key component but im not going to tell him what it is, ill wait till after we race.



Its really simple. If anyone is downplaying its him, not me. He said he ran 13.5 with a passenger in the car? so one tenth off my BEST time and he weighs 400-500lbs more with a passenger AND mishifted ? And im the one sandbagging, right.

You just cried about how this guy is making all this torque "under the curve" than you are, throughout his entire RPM band. Then he posted a dyno that showed you guys pretty much have the same power bands, minus some weird area where yours dips at almost the exact same time his spikes.

You're a fucking cry baby, and I have seen you get owned by your false claims in EVERY SINGLE CALLOUT THREAD you are a part of.

I don't even need to insult you, everyone gets to see this stupidity unfold from you publicly, without my help lol

[Vteckidd]

I can do 40-120.

ok, done, Sunday, 11pm at BP on Pleasant hill

[Vteckidd]

You just cried about how this guy is making all this torque "under the curve" than you are, throughout his entire RPM band. Then he posted a dyno that showed you guys pretty much have the same power bands, minus some weird area where yours dips at almost the exact same time his spikes.

You're a fucking cry baby, and I have seen you get owned by your false claims in EVERY SINGLE CALLOUT THREAD you are a part of.

I don't even need to insult you, everyone gets to see this stupidity unfold from you publicly, without my help lol

You may want to retract that statement before i post the thing evan is missing

[Vteckidd]

You just cried about how this guy is making all this torque "under the curve" than you are, throughout his entire RPM band. Then he posted a dyno that showed you guys pretty much have the same power bands, minus some weird area where yours dips at almost the exact same time his spikes.

You're a fucking cry baby, and I have seen you get owned by your false claims in EVERY SINGLE CALLOUT THREAD you are a part of.

I don't even need to insult you, everyone gets to see this stupidity unfold from you publicly, without my help lol

You guys are all bitches, i asked for a RACE, and then it became how much my car weighs, nickel and dime me on weight, gearing, 1/4 times, shift points, powerband, whatever. Then it became how to read a dyno.

Just say YES OR FUCKING NO

[Lankhoss]

You may want to retract that statement before i post the thing evan is missing

Oh, that he makes 30 more ft/lbs of torque than you do at idle?

I forgot, that's a pretty massive advantage when you do a race from a roll.

[ejohnson88]

I already said I can do 40-120 thats fine with me.

Please post what I am missing so that I can become a more intelligent person.. because that is not something I am afraid of lol

[Vteckidd]

40-120 fine sunday

[ejohnson88]

Please post what I am missing though! I really want to see it :)

[NEMO]

why is everyone making this a big deal. its not like there is any money going to be involved :thinking:

[b@d @pple]

LOCKED until after the race