View Full Version : clutch question, input needed.
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 03:17 AM
alright, so ive been going back and forth on a clutch setup for my swap.
IA, would you run a badass clutch with a stock flywheel? pros and cons would be nice.
would keeping the stock heavy ass flywheel defeat the purpose? :thinking:
just throw some opinions at me. :goodjob:
Romeo
10-28-2009, 03:19 AM
Like a 6 puck clutch or something along those lines?
slostang
10-28-2009, 03:20 AM
a lightweight flywheel will just make the engine rev a tad bit quicker. it will not effect how well the clutch grabs. but if you do wind up using a stock/used flywheel i do recommend having it turned. :goodjob:
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 03:21 AM
yeah pretty much.
i was thinking about a competition clutch stage 2 six puck, with a stock flywheel.
Romeo
10-28-2009, 03:23 AM
yeah pretty much.
i was thinking about a competition clutch stage 2 six puck, with a stock flywheel.
If you plan on DD'ing it as much as you do, then i'd recommend you stay with a full disc. If you do get a lightweight flywheel, you may lose a little top end too..
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 03:24 AM
a lightweight flywheel will just make the engine rev a tad bit quicker. it will not effect how well the clutch grabs. but if you do wind up using a stock/used flywheel i do recommend having it turned. :goodjob:if i did go oem i was going to get a brand new one so i dont think that would be needed. i just feel like if i get a new one might as well spend a little more and go aftermarket.
thanks for the input sir. :yes:
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 03:28 AM
if i did go aftermarket on both, this is what i was looking at. cant afford CompClutch on both clutch and flywheel..lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400074646302&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
slostang
10-28-2009, 03:31 AM
if i did go oem i was going to get a brand new one so i dont think that would be needed. i just feel like if i get a new one might as well spend a little more and go aftermarket.
thanks for the input sir. :yes:
if you are gonna replace it with a new one, i say spend a little extra bread and get the lightweight. alot of aftermarket flywheels have replaceable contact pads so in theory you will never have to buy another flywheel or have it turned, just buy a new pad. plus of course its gonna help unlock a couple ponies.
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 03:34 AM
if you are gonna replace it with a new one, i say spend a little extra bread and get the lightweight. alot of aftermarket flywheels have replaceable contact pads so in theory you will never have to buy another flywheel or have it turned, just buy a new pad. plus of course its gonna help unlock a couple ponies.good points from both of you guys.
i think i may just suck it up and spend some money. what do you think of that link i posted?
dallasb84
10-28-2009, 03:44 AM
looks like a good deal
Romeo
10-28-2009, 03:46 AM
I've heard either great or horrible feedback on the F1 and xtd clutches like that on ebay. I haven't ever bought one, so i can't really say for m.. haha.
Romeo
10-28-2009, 03:46 AM
looks like a good deal
And that my friends, is how they reel you in. Lol.
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 03:51 AM
lol. i had an xtd stage 1 with 11lb flywheel in my old accord, and it was alright. grabbed ok and the pedal wasnt too stiff or too soft. then again i only drove it about 100 miles before i sold it. lol
Romeo
10-28-2009, 03:54 AM
lol. i had an xtd stage 1 with 11lb flywheel in my old accord, and it was alright. grabbed ok and the pedal wasnt too stiff or too soft. then again i only drove it about 100 miles before i sold it. lol
1/5 of the break in.. Lol.
dallasb84
10-28-2009, 03:58 AM
well i got an xtd...... n its just fine so what of it only diff is i payed 90 bux 2 my door :)
Humphrizzle
10-28-2009, 04:19 AM
any flywheel lighter than 11 lbs is annoying to drive.
anything higher than stage 2 clutch is a fucking annoyance to drive.
DeeAOne
10-28-2009, 04:31 AM
what does a really light flywheel feel like to drive?
ive always had either stock or the 11lb i talked about.
i bought that ebay kit but i went with the stage 3 because i read on honda tech that ne thing lower than stage 3 are crap.
but my clutch lasted about 5 months tops and i only drive mine for racing. its not a DD.
i just bought a comp clutch that i am about to install and bought a new friction plate for my lightweight flywheel for $60 at summit
AnthonyF
10-28-2009, 08:25 AM
Like others have said, if you DD this vehicle, keep the full disc and stock flywheel. I drove my friends boosted Si with a light ass flywheel...it SUUUCKED.
-Ant.
.:Stirfry:.
10-28-2009, 08:50 AM
what does a really light flywheel feel like to drive?
ive always had either stock or the 11lb i talked about.
it just revs pretty fast and the response is quick..
but i say get that one stock fw that was lighter than the others and a stock clutch..
FlipKing
10-28-2009, 08:55 AM
Plus, lighter flywheel better for say...auto-x. Stock flywheel better for drag. Lighter flywheel will make you lose some on your launch.
DeeAOne
10-29-2009, 01:30 AM
thanks for the opinions guys...reps to who i can get.
after some more searching, i think im going to go with this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390089950716&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
its only stage 1 so its basically a stock clutch, and its the same price as a stock clutch from autozone. i will probably run this and a stock flywheel.
dallasb84
10-29-2009, 01:39 AM
yeah that should be just fine......
Humphrizzle
10-29-2009, 01:52 AM
Plus, lighter flywheel better for say...auto-x. Stock flywheel better for drag. Lighter flywheel will make you lose some on your launch.
yes.
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The ligher flywheel puts less strain on your crank and is better for faster shifting. but it also makes your revs drop much faster also.
JDMGRNAV6
10-29-2009, 02:34 AM
why wood you lose on the launch??^^^^
why wood you lose on the launch??^^^^
less momentum from the flywheel?
it makes sense, a 18lb object spinning has more snatch than a 8lb object spinning.
if it were me, id 8lb that flywheel and get a 6puck with a strong pressure plate, makes future drivers miserable lol
Humphrizzle
10-29-2009, 02:39 AM
why wood you lose on the launch??^^^^
more spin.
Humphrizzle
10-29-2009, 02:41 AM
less momentum from the flywheel?
it makes sense, a 18lb object spinning has more snatch than a 8lb object spinning.
if it were me, id 8lb that flywheel and get a 6puck with a strong pressure plate, makes future drivers miserable lol
sounds like a bitch of a setup for daily.
sounds like a bitch of a setup for daily.
yeah it was... i had it, for a whole year it was harsh. but it made me look cool :yes:
Humphrizzle
10-29-2009, 02:52 AM
i bet.. i drove my friends b13 sentra ser with a 6 puck and 7lb fidanza.
i wanted to kill the car. it was sooooo fucking annoying.
DeeAOne
10-29-2009, 02:53 AM
yeah i dont want to have back pain everytime i get done driving my car. also a huge left calf. lol
Humphrizzle
10-29-2009, 02:56 AM
my knee starts to cramp when im done.
.:Stirfry:.
10-29-2009, 09:19 AM
Plus, lighter flywheel better for say...auto-x. Stock flywheel better for drag. Lighter flywheel will make you lose some on your launch.
no, wrong:.
its all about clutch control
JJSPEC Racing
10-29-2009, 10:34 AM
i'd like to hear some actual reasoning as to why a lightweight flywheel is not good for drag racing....
-evil goat
i'd like to hear some actual reasoning as to why a lightweight flywheel is not good for drag racing....
-evil goat
X2
FlipKing
10-29-2009, 11:20 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always heard that like was mention before, the lighter flywheel will bog off the line in a launch, while the heavier flywheel snatches harder.
my old car with 8lb'er and a 6puck felt faster going from 1st - 3rd than stock, but then again.. my buttcheeks could be lieing to me
SandM
10-29-2009, 02:17 PM
hell, i've got a CC stage 2 with a stock flywheel.... drives just fine
slostang
10-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always heard that like was mention before, the lighter flywheel will bog off the line in a launch, while the heavier flywheel snatches harder.
you have it reversed.
slostang
10-29-2009, 03:03 PM
hell, i've got a CC stage 2 with a stock flywheel.... drives just fine
i had the same setup in my ef. it was fine till you got to sit in some traffic. then it was cable clutch + 2200lb pressure plate = :2up: in traffic.
xdavidscenex
10-29-2009, 03:13 PM
just get a twin or triple disc. fuck all the bullshit.
xdavidscenex
10-29-2009, 03:14 PM
i had the same setup in my ef. it was fine till you got to sit in some traffic. then it was cable clutch + 2200lb pressure plate = :2up: in traffic.
:doh:
you need to hit the gym and do some legs workout then.
slostang
10-29-2009, 03:29 PM
lol
SandM
10-29-2009, 05:17 PM
psh, pedal effort is nothing compared to whatever i had in my DC4. i absolutely hate soft clutch pedals
Evil Goat
10-29-2009, 09:03 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always heard that like was mention before, the lighter flywheel will bog off the line in a launch, while the heavier flywheel snatches harder.
maybe you are wrong...
turbob20
11-06-2009, 02:32 AM
stock will keep you from falling out of vtec if on stock ecu because if too light a flywheel is used it will return to idle quicker so between gears it will fall out of vtec. noe if boosted i still run a stock gsr flywheel wich is a few pounds lighter than the thick ls and an xtd will slip with boost but is ok na . i had to go with a clutch masters fx500. is 6 puk unsprung dd.they have less pedal pressure and feel great with no required break in. had mine for 6 years no probs and has been through 3 trannys.
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