Callout: SRT4s, All your boost are belong to us your pull is none

[KIZDAWAY]

Ill run any srt4 on pump gas :taun::bump::taun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuyKihhMWM&hd=1
come get K'd

[Lurker]

I'll run you on pump and I won't use DR or slicks either. I would prefer to make it interesting with some $$$.

Let's see how good you drive with money involved and nervous.

[jerseyef9]

with you talking about $$$$$ should be a dig run IMO
gl on the runs guys

[KIZDAWAY]

I'll run you on pump and I won't use DR or slicks either. I would prefer to make it interesting with some $$$.

Let's see how good you drive with money involved and nervous.

lets make it a 40 roll for $100

[TSiFTW]

Ill run any srt4 on pump gas :taun::bump::taun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuyKihhMWM&hd=1
come get K'd

I think you may be biting off more than you can chew.

[SmackedInATL]

lets make it a 40 roll for $100

Roll racing for money FTL!!!:gay:

[Moseley]

Roll racing for money FTL!!!:gay:

I could be wrong but I think Lurker called him out in a PM from a roll for $$ and was declined... then he brings it public, expecting K to back down? :rolleyes:

[Moseley]

plus, I doubt any fast SRT would want to dig run on street tires...

[blown_ss]

plus, I doubt any fast SRT would want to dig run on street tires...

thats the damn truth right there. :goodjob:

[oleblue]

Ill run any srt4 on pump gas :taun::bump::taun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuyKihhMWM&hd=1
come get K'd

lol, that don't scare me at all. I'm going to try to get some money up to come and run you. I want to go 40-140mph with both of us on regular street tires. You down with that if I can get out your way?

[Turbodude06]

I wish I was fast :(



plus, I doubt any fast SRT would want to dig run on street tires...

X^3 lol

[blown_ss]

I wish I was fast :(




X^3 lol

oh trust me you are.

[Lurker]

lets make it a 40 roll for $100

Sounds good man, I'll shoot you a PM when I get back in town and we'll meet up. That hatch moves out!

40 to ???



I could be wrong but I think Lurker called him out in a PM from a roll for $$ and was declined... then he brings it public, expecting K to back down? :rolleyes:

I'm not twisting his arm and he could have said no here. What's the big deal? You want some action too?

[Moseley]

I'm not twisting his arm and he could have said no here. What's the big deal? You want some action too?

No thanks... When my K build is done I'll be looking for some though.

[KIZDAWAY]

Sounds good man, I'll shoot you a PM when I get back in town and we'll meet up. That hatch moves out!

40 to ???




I'm not twisting his arm and he could have said no here. What's the big deal? You want some action too?

all proceeds will be donated to "Toys for tots"
40-120

[Lankhoss]

Nobody, in any car, on street tires wants to run from a dig when it gets this cool out at night heh

[Maniacc]

Ill run any srt4 on pump gas :taun::bump::taun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuyKihhMWM&hd=1
come get K'd


Haha, dude the speedometer on my moms' 01 accord hits 100 faster than your shit does. I'll run you from a 40 kick for 200 bucks. I drive a 2008 Acura TL type fucking S. Bring your A game, blood. Private message me if you're interested in getting your ass handed to you.

[SmackedInATL]

Hey OP you have any pills for a bigger shot? I'd like to run you on a bigger shot. Maybe 75-100.

[SmackedInATL]

Haha, dude the speedometer on my moms' 01 accord hits 100 faster than your shit does. I'll run you from a 40 kick for 200 bucks. I drive a 2008 Acura TL type fucking S. Bring your A game, blood. Private message me if you're interested in getting your ass handed to you.

Go get your money OP since Maniac is feeling generous.

[Maniacc]

Go get your money money OP since Maniac is feeling generous.


I'll make it rain on that little honda of his. Best believe that shit, son lol

[btstone]

WTF is this shit in here.

[NEMO]

way to rep them K's on the bottle:goodjob:..... wait what:ninja:

[Lurker]

No thanks... When my K build is done I'll be looking for some though.


That's cool. We can run when your ready.

Just an FYI, I sent Kizdaway a PM before so there wouldn't be any drama. I only responded here the same to see if he changed his mind about the money race, which he did. I'd like to keep it drama free and we can talk through PM's to keep it that way.

[05dc5s]

all proceeds will be donated to "Toys for tots"





Haha, dude the speedometer on my moms' 01 accord hits 100 faster than your shit does. I'll run you from a 40 kick for 200 bucks. I drive a 2008 Acura TL type fucking S. Bring your A game, blood. Private message me if you're interested in getting your ass handed to you.


I'll make it rain on that little honda of his. Best believe that shit, son lol

It's so good to see people getting in the holiday spirit early this year. I have to commend you for donating $200 to toys for tots Maniacc, though wont that put you $200 farther away from your porsche? :lmao:

[KIZDAWAY]

I'll make it rain on that little honda of his. Best believe that shit, son lol
+reps I LOVE THIS GUY! very funny GUY! :gay:


ps TL's are on the bottom of the list, you gotta work your way up the ladder :goodjob: or you can drop your check off and we call it a day :ninja:

[[Reckless]]

Haha, dude the speedometer on my moms' 01 accord hits 100 faster than your shit does. I'll run you from a 40 kick for 200 bucks. I drive a 2008 Acura TL type fucking S. Bring your A game, blood. Private message me if you're interested in getting your ass handed to you.
Lol.
Unless you have some force induction on that TL Type fucking S you better keep that $200 in your pocket and go do something productive with it.
Just saying lol

[oleblue]

Callout: SRT4s, All your boost are belong to us your pull is none

:thinking:?????

[ueyedgr8tness]

believe it or not there alot of fast srt'4 s out there that would rape u on pump gas just to bad none of them get on here anymore.the only guy that has a decent pump gas runner would be member1310 and kason don't no much about all the other cars.

[[Reckless]]

Callout: SRT4s, All your boost are belong to us your pull is none

:thinking:?????
x2

[05dc5s]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=all+your+base+are+belong+to+us

[ejohnson88]

Lol these guys really don't understand do they? Oh well In to see the money start rollin lol

[Member31410]

Although the HOM feature was originally intended to be activated by race fuel on Stage 3 SRT-4s, there are two ways to activate HOM on pump gas. As far as I know, I'm the only one in the area who uses the two different options so I can turn my race gas mode on with pump gas. I do use race fuel when competing though since it's more reliable. When I ran Collins and ZUL8r's buddy with the RB26 S13, I was on pump but had HOM on.

[SmackedInATL]

Although the HOM feature was originally intended to be activated by race fuel on Stage 3 SRT-4s, there are two ways to activate HOM on pump gas. As far as I know, I'm the only one in the area who uses the two different options so I can turn my race gas mode on with pump gas. I do use race fuel when competing though since it's more reliable. When I ran Collins and ZUL8r's buddy with the RB26 S13, I was on pump but had HOM on.

How much does this HOM mode increase timing? You think that is really safe/worth it to turn that on while on 93?

[oleblue]

How much does this HOM mode increase timing? You think that is really safe/worth it to turn that on while on 93?
I know my HOM would not even stay on with 93 octane, it would kick out everytime I tried. I always had to have 100+ octane to keep it engaged and it would still kick out at times .

[collins]

Pardon my noob-ness, but what's HOM?

[SmackedInATL]

High Octane Mode I think.

[Evil Goat]

i wanna "get k'd" :lmfao:

weaksauce.

[HalfBaked]

Why couldn't he even say "K O'd"

My sentra decides somedays she likes to work better than others.

I'd be game if you were in the area, and someone had a tow truck handy.

[SicStang03]

There isn't a str-4 that can hang?

[oleblue]

There isn't a str-4 that can hang?
I can and I will as soon as I get the gas money up to come do it. I'm out of a job so money is a hard thing to come by for me right now. It should be a pretty close run with me on pump gas. His power to weight advantage is what will help him out against me.

[Kason23]

Ill run any srt4 on pump gas :taun::bump::taun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuyKihhMWM&hd=1
come get K'd


Done PM me a time and place.I also will be on pump :). Let me know I have some pretty good DR's I can pick up at anytime.

[oleblue]

Done PM me a time and place.I also will be on pump :). Let me know I have some pretty good DR's I can pick up at anytime.
PM me the time and place too, if I can get the gas money up, I will come and get it done also. It will be fun.

[whatever210]

ill run. me vs op. ill run 22lbs. 40-120....good luck.

[ejohnson88]

I think its interesting when people bring up "it's his power to weight ratio that will help him out" as if its the only thing he's got going for him... Ever car has a "power to weight ratio" why can't you just say its the amount of power he makes lol? In a basic sense power to weight is what determines acceleration.

[oleblue]

I think its interesting when people bring up "it's his power to weight ratio that will help him out" as if its the only thing he's got going for him... Ever car has a "power to weight ratio" why can't you just say its the amount of power he makes lol? In a basic sense power to weight is what determines acceleration.

Because I know even with his 125 shot I will still have more power than him with me on pump gas. The light weight is the only thing that will help him and that's the truth of it. If I was to put my engine in a car that weighs what his does it would be no contest. I'm not saying thats the only thing he has going for him, hell I would love to own that hatch myself, that is an awesome setup he has and I have been planing on doing something like it my self when I start back work. I already have a good k20z3 motor and tranny that I am going to drop into a hatch.

[Kason23]

Blue is right. If that was a plain ole RSX or SI. It WOULD be slower correct?? and why is that? Because it WEIGHS more.

Power to weight is what has propelled Hondas into serious cars these days. I know it,you know it and so does everyone else.

Why else would people drop motors into hatchs?? Its not to take there family out for a fun night thats for damn sure. lol

[oleblue]

Blue is right. If that was a plain ole RSX or SI. It WOULD be slower correct?? and why is that? Because it WEIGHS more.

Power to weight is what has propelled Hondas into serious cars these days. I know it,you know it and so does everyone else.

Why else would people drop motors into hatchs?? Its not to take there family out for a fun night thats for damn sure. lol

The truth don't get any better than that.:goodjob:

[oleblue]

Ill run any srt4 on pump gas :taun::bump::taun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCuyKihhMWM&hd=1
come get K'd

Not 100% sure yet but I am doing some work for a friend today to get the gas to come out tonight and if I do you want to get to it tonight? You on Street tire's and 60shot v/s Me on street tire's and pump gas just like the first race? It will be fun.

[chunky]

Because I know even with his 125 shot I will still have more power than him with me on pump gas. The light weight is the only thing that will help him and that's the truth of it. If I was to put my engine in a car that weighs what his does it would be no contest. I'm not saying thats the only thing he has going for him, hell I would love to own that hatch myself, that is an awesome setup he has and I have been planing on doing something like it my self when I start back work. I already have a good k20z3 motor and tranny that I am going to drop into a hatch.

If you put your engine into a car as light as his, you really think you'd get him? I don't think so. It's more than just power to weight. It's how the power gets put down. Honda makes great naturally aspirated engines and great gearboxes that put power to the ground efficiently. If you put your motor into his chassis, your traction/spinning problems would get about 100x worse.

[oleblue]

If you put your engine into a car as light as his, you really think you'd get him? I don't think so. It's more than just power to weight. It's how the power gets put down. Honda makes great naturally aspirated engines and great gearboxes that put power to the ground efficiently. If you put your motor into his chassis, your traction/spinning problems would get about 100x worse.

For sure, it would be spinning but when it hooks up it would be on. Maybe it would not be that bad because I would not be pulling as much weight either. Nothing some slicks or dr's would not help. I think it will be a good race as it is even with me being 900lbs more than him.

[ejohnson88]

I still don't think you are understanding what I am trying to say. I think it's kinda of arrogant of a person to patronize another person for how they make their car go fast...
"He's only fast because he is so light." Always seems to be the excuse when people get beat by hatches or any other form of light car with a small amount of power. I mean the argument can go the opposite way and I could say "Your only fast because you have to boost your motor to unnatural pressures." It's almost as if people have to belittle the other cars just so they can feel better about what they've got. Anyways I have enough of the condescending efforts of people on this forum.

But I guess thats what happens when you are in a hobby that is full of big headed people that always have to be better than others... And like Chunky said... its not just about being light, its about everything else involved to make the car fast overall. Anyways I am done with my rant. Back to racing.

[Kason23]

Im not saying ANYTHING bad about his car. Its just normal Honda building to me. If thats how he wants to go fast more power to him. I would not mind having a built ls/vtec big turbo setup myself in a hatch.

IMO a good set of tires will about make anything hook. My car on just slicks (no motor mounts,traction bars or anything of the sort) can cut VERY low 1.6 60fts no problem. I have did it mulitple times. Maybe im a good driver I dont know.

Im just not down with him thinking hes at the top of the world and can beat all of us SRT's. I could prob trap 100+ in the 1/8, 126+ in the 1/4 IF I pushed my car. But its still stock motor so I would rather not go to the edge.

Like I said I can respect his car all day as long as he does not act like GOD of the Hatchbacks.

/rant

[Lurker]

Ejohnson, why do you think people lighten their car? Lighter car = faster car

It's facts, it's not belittling the car. If you take that same motor and put it in a 3,200-3,500lbs car, guess what. It's slow as balls.

Lighter car also means less strain on the drivetrain and EASIER to put the power down. You need the proper suspension setup and tires for everything to work in harmony though, but lighter will always mean faster.

[oleblue]

I still don't think you are understanding what I am trying to say. I think it's kinda of arrogant of a person to patronize another person for how they make their car go fast...
"He's only fast because he is so light." Always seems to be the excuse when people get beat by hatches or any other form of light car with a small amount of power. I mean the argument can go the opposite way and I could say "Your only fast because you have to boost your motor to unnatural pressures." It's almost as if people have to belittle the other cars just so they can feel better about what they've got. Anyways I have enough of the condescending efforts of people on this forum.

But I guess thats what happens when you are in a hobby that is full of big headed people that always have to be better than others... And like Chunky said... its not just about being light, its about everything else involved to make the car fast overall. Anyways I am done with my rant. Back to racing.

I'm not saying nothing bad about him or his car and i'm not trying to be better than anyone, i'm just saying TRUE facts. I'm not making any excuses either because I have not been beat by him or no hatch, I ALREADY BEAT HIM. You can say what you want but you know the truth as well as everyone else does.

[ejohnson88]

LOL I love how you take my statement as if I don't think I know that a lighter car will equate to "faster"... I probably know the physics behind why that statement is true better than you do.

Here is the how my mind process works: A Lighter car is only one of the MANY factors that come into play when it comes to how fast a car can accelerate.

Here is how people on this forum seem to think: "It's ONLY faster because it's lighter." Almo

WHAT I AM SAYING HERE is that the power to weight argument always appears to come as an "EXCUSE" in places like this. The car is fast and most of you have stated "Because it's such a light car." It's almost like you discount that fact that ALL THE OTHER factors that make a car "fast" don't even matter. It's basically a defensive attack.

Kinda like when a civic beats a Corvette or porsche or mustang or any other car out there, alot of times this retort comes out: "It may be fast but its still a civic." They race, they get beat and so they have to downplay the other car because their butt hurt. When I race the point of the race is to see who is faster, if I lose I say "Nice car, its fast."

I have always been a car enthusiast and love cars and love the engineering behind it, I am just frustrated and tired of all the ego's that "Racer's" are constantly trying to protect by talking down other cars.

/rant lol

[oleblue]

LOL I love how you take my statement that I don't think I know that a lighter car = faster... I probably know the physics behind why that statement is true better than you do.

Here is the how my mind process works: A Lighter car is only one of the MANY factors that come into play when it comes to how fast a car can accelerate.

Here is how people like lurker think: POWER/WEIGHT conquers all! -.-


WHAT I AM SAYING HERE is that the power to weight argument always comes as an "EXCUSE" in places like this it seems. The car is fast and most of you have stated that "Because it's such a light car." It's almost like you discount that fact that ALL THE OTHER factors that make a car "fast" don't even matter. It's basically a defensive attack.

Kinda like when a civic beats a Corvette or porsche or mustang or any other car out there, alot of times this retort comes out "It may be fast but its still a civic."

I have always been a car enthusiast and love cars and love the engineering behind it, I am just frustrated and tired of all the ego's that Racer's are constantly trying to protect by talking down other cars.

/rant lol

So who are you aimimg this at? All I have said is that he does not make the kind of power that I do, so the lighter weight is what will help him out against me. And the gearing a lot too. You are right though, the lighter weight is only one factor of making a car fast and I have not said it is not.

[KevinT707]

Why couldn't he even say "K O'd"

My sentra decides somedays she likes to work better than others.

I'd be game if you were in the area, and someone had a tow truck handy.
Oh snap, got the Sentra back on the road once again?!

[Lurker]

If you say so buddy. That's a long ass worthless post that is directed at "most people" as you put it. I never said anything about downplaying a car. Did I mention that's a long ass post.

[ejohnson88]

Lol its directed at anyone who feels its directed at them. Its a long ass post because I am stuck in the library with a project group that's doing nothing and just felt like ranting. But apparently in my effort to explain myself you still fail to see the argument I am posing. All I am saying is that the way in which you are framing your statements is making them so they appear to be such as what I have said. Anyways, lol this is obviously not going anywhere.

Good Racing and Good Luck.

[oleblue]

I am not going to argue about this shit no more either because some folks don't understand no one's point of view but there own. I'm going to let my car do the talking.

[chunky]

Ejohnson, why do you think people lighten their car? Lighter car = faster car

It's facts, it's not belittling the car. If you take that same motor and put it in a 3,200-3,500lbs car, guess what. It's slow as balls.

Lighter car also means less strain on the drivetrain and EASIER to put the power down. You need the proper suspension setup and tires for everything to work in harmony though, but lighter will always mean faster.

The point is, there's more to his car than power to weight. You can't identify one thing that makes his car fast. It's the whole build. To suggest that negating the weight disadvantage of an srt-4 would guarantee that the srt-4 would be faster is short sighted. What's the redline? Gearing? How stiff is the chassis? How is the throttle response?

Anyhow, looking at the HP numbers that some of you srt-4 guys put down, power to weight is in you favor. :p

[oleblue]

Anyhow, looking at the HP numbers that some of you srt-4 guys put down, power to weight is in you favor. :p

How do you figure that? A 2,100lbs hatch or lower with say 330whp or a little more with the 125shot, against a 380/400whp srt-4 that is 900lbs heavier. I don't see 50hp to 70hp covering that.

[chunky]

How do you figure that? A 2,100lbs hatch or lower with say 330whp or a little more with the 125shot, against a 380/400whp srt-4 that is 900lbs heavier. I don't see 50hp to 70hp covering that.

Who said anything about a 125 shot?

[KIZDAWAY]

sup yaw, shits going down soon. Bring some popcorn :boobies:

[SmackedInATL]

sup yaw, shits going down soon. Bring some popcorn :boobies:

So whats up man you have a pill for a 100 shot for that thing or what? I want to see what that K can do against my Cobra on a 100 shot in that lil hatch.

[KIZDAWAY]

So whats up man you have a pill for a 100 shot for that thing or what? I want to see what that K can do against my Cobra on a 100 shot in that lil hatch.

I didnt forget you smacked. I want to make a special thread just for you :D. but dont you only do digs? either way running these guys wont take long. :goodjob:

[SmackedInATL]

I didnt forget you smacked. I want to make a special thread just for you :D. but dont you only do digs? either way running these guys wont take long. :goodjob:

No I don't do digs only. I'll run you on some 275/45 BFG street tires. Well next weekend my car will be down getting tubular front suspension and coilovers, and I have a blown out lower control arm bushing so I'm fixing those too. Anyways, it can still do a roll race just fine though. Oh and I just got my tune completely fixed so it pulls very hard from a roll now, no more hesitation on the hit.

[KIZDAWAY]

No I don't do digs only. I'll run you on some 275/45 BFG street tires. Well next weekend my car will be down getting tubular front suspension and coilovers, and I have a blown out lower control arm bushing so I'm fixing those too. Anyways, it can still do a roll race just fine though. Oh and I just got my tune completely fixed so it pulls very hard from a roll now, no more hesitation on the hit.

I cant wait for us to rip it up. Should look great being that both are white color. ;)

[SmackedInATL]

I will just say this thread is funny going back and forth will all this power to weight talk. I know that I pulled a 4 door 93 civic with a k20 and a 75 shot ON a badly slipping clutch. It will definitely be much uglier than that now.

[chunky]

I will just say this thread is funny going back and forth will all this power to weight talk. I know that I pulled a 4 door 93 civic with a k20 and a 75 shot ON a badly slipping clutch. It will definitely be much uglier than that now.

if you mean the red one you ran the night I rode with you, it was a coupe + k24 + 75 shot. And yeah, you did pull him although he put up a solid fight. Pretty sure that power to weight checked off in his favor on those pulls considering you had a 200+lb passenger riding along. ;)

He's made some changes to his setup since then. I'd love to see you two get at it again next time he's in town.

[Kason23]

I also would like to get some slow rolls in with you smacked. I think me and you would be a pretty good run. There needs to be another KF meet!

[SmackedInATL]

Kason I live in Douglasville and with you in Rockmart we could meet half way. There has to be somewhere to make some pulls in between Dallas and Rockmart. Just need to find a camera too.

[SmackedInATL]

Also I have no clue what my car is making right now with this new tune I downloaded last night. I need to put it on a dyno.

[oleblue]

Who said anything about a 125 shot?

I was told he run's a 60 shot setup and a 125 shot setup. So it just depends on which he uses. I guess he should be right around 280/290whp if he uses the 60 shot if it is a wet kit. I think with me on pump and him on the 60 shot it would be a good run but if he uses the 125 shot with me on pump I don't think I could get him but who know's. I have seen those hatches with around 330whp run low 11's with slicks.

[oleblue]

Kason I live in Douglasville and with you in Rockmart we could meet half way. There has to be somewhere to make some pulls in between Dallas and Rockmart. Just need to find a camera too.

We all should just try and meet and we all can get some runs in all in the same night, that way we can have a hell of a video to show of.

[Lankhoss]

Haven't read the thread, but I make between 480 - 500rwhp, and weigh just over 3100lbs.

One night I raced a Civic Hatch making about 360 - 370rwhp, and only weighed around 2000lbs.....couldn't pull him at all.

I also raced a GT 500 Mustang that was making just over 680rwhp, but also weighing right at 4000lbs, and was pretty much even with him until 120 - 130mph or so, where I started creeping away from him.

Power:Weight is probably the biggest factor that comes into play when going from a roll, but it's not the gospel. But you're typically going to need about 12rwhp ON AVERAGE to make up for every 100lbs of weight.

[ejohnson88]

12? or 120 lank?

[ejohnson88]

Yes power to weight can be a big factor... but its not a determining factor all the time. For example in your races... both cars have a better power to weight ratio than you... yet you pull on one and not the other. When you start going above 100 mph aerodynamics and gearing are going to become much more of limiting factors in a race.

[Repiks]

12? or 120 lank?

Really?

You think 200 pounds would have to be matched with an extra 240 whp?

[Lankhoss]

Yes power to weight can be a big factor... but its not a determining factor all the time. For example in your races... both cars have a better power to weight ratio than you... yet you pull on one and not the other. When you start going above 100 mph aerodynamics and gearing are going to become much more of limiting factors in a race.

Yeah, that was the point of my post. I actually ran that GT 500 again, and he said all he'd done was take it back to the shop and had them retune it, and he pulled me by a car length consistantly....even though he had a passenger and slipping clutch. Maybe it just wasn't running at 100% for the longest time or something.

And yes, it's 12whp not 120....I think you may have been thinking what it'd take to overcome 1000lb disadvantage?

[Kason23]

Haven't read the thread, but I make between 480 - 500rwhp, and weigh just over 3100lbs.

One night I raced a Civic Hatch making about 360 - 370rwhp, and only weighed around 2000lbs.....couldn't pull him at all.

I also raced a GT 500 Mustang that was making just over 680rwhp, but also weighing right at 4000lbs, and was pretty much even with him until 120 - 130mph or so, where I started creeping away from him.

Power:Weight is probably the biggest factor that comes into play when going from a roll, but it's not the gospel. But you're typically going to need about 12rwhp ON AVERAGE to make up for every 100lbs of weight.


Oh snap Rear wheel civic FTW!!! lol

And im down smacked. Just let me know when and where. On my latest tune Im prob on the 430whp/500+wtq mark. But like you I need another dyno session to know for sure.

And im waiting for my clutch to say F*ck you. Since its only rated to 500 TQ to the FLYWHEEL lol

[oleblue]

^This might be good depending on how far you two go.

[[Reckless]]

We all should just try and meet and we all can get some runs in all in the same night, that way we can have a hell of a video to show of.
I'm down for this.
Would be good to have some faces with some of these s/ns

[Kason23]

There used to be killsforum meets. But I think the spots got hot and they kinda wiltered away. And with work the way it is now I can only meet up on a weekend.

[ejohnson88]

Lol I just wanted clarification lank wasn't calling you out or anything :P but that's pretty surprising that it only takes 12 hp to make up for 100 lbs. thanks for the info!

[David88vert]

So a turbo car that weighs 3200#s only needs 320rwhp to run even with a 2200# racecar that has 200 rwhp N/A? Traction has nothing to do with it? Neither does the type of induction? Just asking. Never heard that 12hp = 100lbs.

[chunky]

So a turbo car that weighs 3200#s only needs 320rwhp to run even with a 2200# racecar that has 200 rwhp N/A? Traction has nothing to do with it? Neither does the type of induction? Just asking. Never heard that 12hp = 100lbs.

Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with 12hp for every 100lb of weight difference. It has to depend on gearing and torque as well. It's known that cars that make significant torque are less sensitive to an increase in weight than a car with similar power/weight but less torque, especially from a roll.

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that if you took a honda hatch that ran neck and neck with a camaro or mustang, and then you added 100lb to each car, the honda would be slower because it makes less torque and relies more on gearing + redline to get moving. Weight doesn't affect all setups to the same degree, so that 12hp = 100lb factor probably only works for particular scenarios.

[SmackedInATL]

Yeah, that was the point of my post. I actually ran that GT 500 again, and he said all he'd done was take it back to the shop and had them retune it, and he pulled me by a car length consistantly....even though he had a passenger and slipping clutch. Maybe it just wasn't running at 100% for the longest time or something.

And yes, it's 12whp not 120....I think you may have been thinking what it'd take to overcome 1000lb disadvantage?

I love how you make one estimation and everyone just runs with it. LOL. You guys may not like Lank's posts but he knows what he's talking about when it comes to roll racing.

[ueyedgr8tness]

[quote=Lankhoss;38430729]Haven't read the thread, but I make between 480 - 500rwhp, and weigh just over 3100lbs.

One night I raced a Civic Hatch making about 360 - 370rwhp, and only weighed around 2000lbs.....couldn't pull him at all.

Lank if that was the green hatch u were talking about it weighed alot more than u would think:yes:

[oleblue]

Well, is anything going down or what?

[SmackedInATL]

Hell nah, these boys playing games LOL. My car is going down next weekend. (just for the weekend):ninja:

[oleblue]

Hell nah, these boys playing games LOL. My car is going down next weekend. (just for the weekend):ninja:

That's what I was thinking.

[oleblue]

I just watched a video on streetfire.net of the hatch and back then it say's the hatch was 305whp.

[SmackedInATL]

I just watched a video on streetfire.net of the hatch and back then it say's the hatch was 305whp.

link please

[Moseley]

link please

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/juiced-K20-hatch-40130_178618.htm

that was an older setup... big torque numbers, tall gears and shitty camera work :rolleyes:

I'd love to see this go down soon too.

[ejohnson88]

Lol if anything... these people are the ones who DON'T Play games... they're are some of the more intelligent and cool-headed people around these forums.

[oleblue]

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/juiced-K20-hatch-40130_178618.htm

that was an older setup... big torque numbers, tall gears and shitty camera work :rolleyes:

I'd love to see this go down soon too.

Yea, me too.

[oleblue]

kason23 I tried to PM you but it say's your PM's are full.

[jadakid88]

i highly doubt it...:ninja:
I think you may be biting off more than you can chew.

[ejohnson88]

Mose get Kizda to set this up this weekend ^_^

[Turbodude06]

:couch: Page 6.....

[Moseley]

Kason23's PM box is still full...

[Kason23]

Damn sorry guys im not used to only having 150... there clear now thanks.

[SmackedInATL]

Nice, this is about 90% locked in...

[Kason23]

Yep I just got my PM seems like we are doing this. Should be fun!

[oleblue]

Well then good luck....I wish I could come out too but already have plans to carry the kids to Disney on ice that evening.

[02SloWrx]

Who wants to put money down that this will just be another callout that never got to the street thread?

[SmackedInATL]

Who wants to put money down that this will just be another callout that never got to the street thread?


I will bet you that this callout will make it to the street. Say $200?

[[Reckless]]

There used to be killsforum meets. But I think the spots got hot and they kinda wiltered away. And with work the way it is now I can only meet up on a weekend.
I am in the same boat or have to leave where ever by 11am.
I guess I would have been around for the old meets but I took a 3yr hiatus out of the car scene and just got back into it.

[oleblue]

Any news yet?

[SmackedInATL]

Well some runs went down tonight, just none with the hatch...:(

[ejohnson88]

Yeah they were bummed about it :( But yeah I was a little let down by that cobra :( Guy was cool as hell though :) Hope to see you guys around again some time!

[ejohnson88]

Oh... and we ran into a very interesting corrola on the way back haha!

[oleblue]

So who did get to run? And what was up with the hatch?

[SmackedInATL]

A Camaro SS with ported LS6 heads, Comp cam, 4.10s and DRs. Blew his doors off, he just bought the car that day though. Claimed to be 440rwhp but I say more around 415 rwhp but I don't know what my car makes but she was pulling hard.

Not sure what was wrong with the hatch, it was a Honda? Lol, joke. But something with the bottle pressue combined with it running very lean. Not worth blowing up a motor.

[oleblue]

Did kason23 get to run?

[SmackedInATL]

Did kason23 get to run?

No show.:thinking:

[ejohnson88]

Ya their were bottle issues and stuff just not acting right... it was really weird... shit they'd never had problems with before... so they didn't want to risk it. Trust me though, that shit will bother him and he wont stop till he fixes it, maybe next weekend shit can be re done.

[SmackedInATL]

Ya their were bottle issues and stuff just not acting right... it was really weird... shit they'd never had problems with before... so they didn't want to risk it. Trust me though, that shit will bother him and he wont stop till he fixes it, maybe next weekend shit can be re done.

Car will be down next weekend...got some stuff to fix.

[Moseley]

Not sure what was wrong with the hatch, it was a Honda? Lol, joke. But something with the bottle pressue combined with it running very lean. Not worth blowing up a motor.

Yeah the hatch had something up with the bottle pressure. It seems like it was spraying way too much juice, because it wasn't hooking up @ 60mph and was dangerously lean. tried to put a smaller jet in but it was still spinning and lean :thinking:

Some of the other runs were fun though. I should be able to post them up this week. got a lot to do though because I'm moving.

[Moseley]

Oh... and we ran into a very interesting corrola on the way back haha!

No doubt... that was awesome. '86 ish corolla with a ninja swap gave quite a run. random encounters like that are always fun!

[ejohnson88]

Especially when they were that fucking close haha! sweet shit. I am sure he was like wtf as well haha

[oleblue]

Well, that sucks....Maybe everything will work out for the hatch. I was really wanting to see how it would go with kason23 and the hatch.

[ejohnson88]

hahah yeah they were too!

[[Reckless]]

Damn that sucks about Louis' hatch.
If y'all run this weekend give me a heads up. I'll come and watch

[oleblue]

Video????

[KevinT707]

Someone give me cliff notes, 7 pages later ..

Has this even gone down yet?

[NoWAyItZTOMmY]

met up, luis bad bottle problems, til next time

[112480]

Ya their were bottle issues and stuff just not acting right... it was really weird... shit they'd never had problems with before... so they didn't want to risk it. Trust me though, that shit will bother him and he wont stop till he fixes it, maybe next weekend shit can be re done.

Thats what happens when u ONLY street tune a car instead of DYNO tuning it............................... Moseley:no:

[ejohnson88]

You have yet to show a true amount of knowledge, GTFO. The issues were not due to fucking tune issues, it was due to mechanical malfunctions you fucktard.

[KIZDAWAY]

:dj:

found out it was a quick fix, I apologize for the inconvenience even though no one showed up but smacked.

[112480]

You have yet to show a true amount of knowledge, GTFO. The issues were not due to fucking tune issues, it was due to mechanical malfunctions you fucktard.

from vteckidd thread, U R THE ONE WHO HAS VERY VERY VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE. Fucktard? What a fucking lame:gay::gay::gay:

[ejohnson88]

Lol you are just like every other ignorant Nutswinger on this site. Your comments are mute lol

[David88vert]

Thats what happens when u ONLY street tune a car instead of DYNO tuning it............................... Moseley:no:

Incorrect statement. Tuning is tuning - whether you are on a dyno or street. The dyno is there to safely simulate street/track conditions. You can make the same tuning mistakes on either the real road or the rolling road.

[Turbodude06]

You have yet to show a true amount of knowledge, GTFO. The issues were not due to fucking tune issues, it was due to mechanical malfunctions you fucktard.

:lmfao:.....................:goodjob:

[SmackedInATL]

:dj:

found out it was a quick fix, I apologize for the inconvenience even though no one showed up but smacked.

Ok we can set something up for a week day. My car will be apart all weekend. Glad you got it fixed. Tell Moseley to post up those other vids.

[SmackedInATL]

Incorrect statement. Tuning is tuning - whether you are on a dyno or street. The dyno is there to safely simulate street/track conditions. You can make the same tuning mistakes on either the real road or the rolling road.

Yep, I datalog my car with AF on the street and get my tune revised all the time.

[David88vert]

Yep, I datalog my car with AF on the street and get my tune revised all the time.

I tune cars all the time on the street and the dyno - need to tune 2 single turbo Supras this weekend if I can get the time. Tuning on the dyno is just much safer. On my own car, I datalog my tune on the street all the time.

[05dc5s]

from vteckidd thread, U R THE ONE WHO HAS VERY VERY VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE. Fucktard? What a fucking lame:gay::gay::gay:

Please do share with the rest of us what makes you the gauge of whom has knowladge on what.

Also Im quite interested why you think that street tuning a car(or only street tuning a car) ends in a bad result. If they werent tuning the car that night or doing data logs then they wouldnt have realized the issue...the car sounded MEAN so I guess if it was yourself and you had your precious dyno tune then that means that you would have just gone ahead and ran? Man that would have ended in a pretty result huh? Ever consider that broseph?

[oleblue]

:dj:

found out it was a quick fix, I apologize for the inconvenience even though no one showed up but smacked.

I don't know what happened with kason23. I have sent him a PM but he has not even been on the site since the 24th so I don't know what's going on. Hopefully everything is ok with him.

[Moseley]

Thats what happens when u ONLY street tune a car instead of DYNO tuning it............................... Moseley:no:

LOL, I just tried to give people a heads up about some sketchy work being done by some "Honda gurus" in this area... and since you apparently have your head up those people's asses now all you do is hate hate hate...

IIRC didn't those same "Honda gurus" build and tune the first K24 in the ATL area, and it blew up shortly afterwards? Are these people building your car and that is why you're pissed? :lmfao:

I also told you before only an idiot would street tune from scratch. You dyno tune first, then fine tune on the street.

[Moseley]

I don't know what happened with kason23. I have sent him a PM but he has not even been on the site since the 24th so I don't know what's going on. Hopefully everything is ok with him.

x2...

[David88vert]

I also told you before only an idiot would street tune from scratch. You dyno tune first, then fine tune on the street.


Wrong again. Most knowledgeable tuners do their startup, idle, and low load and partial throttle tuning before they make the car owner put it on the dyno at $150/hr.

Many well-known tuners offer both options of tuning on the dyno or street. Almost all of them did before the Mustang and Dyno Dynamics load-bearing dyno gained popularity. Dynojet 248s (the most popular dyno) are inertia dynos, so partial throttle tuning, and fine tuning are usually done on the street when using them.

[SmackedInATL]

Wrong again. Most knowledgeable tuners do their startup, idle, and low load and partial throttle tuning before they make the car owner put it on the dyno at $150/hr.

Many well-known tuners offer both options of tuning on the dyno or street. Almost all of them did before the Mustang and Dyno Dynamics load-bearing dyno gained popularity. Dynojet 248s (the most popular dyno) are inertia dynos, so partial throttle tuning, and fine tuning are usually done on the street when using them.

Yes David is correct. When I had the tuner in my sig set me up a tune, I had to do idle data logs, "step test" (driving in 2nd gear from 1500-4000RPM and holding 30 sec at each 500RPM interval) data logs, then got it revised for a WOT pull. I'm taking it down to his dyno in a week or two for fine tuning. It has 20* timing right now, but will most likely bump it to 22-23 degrees...

[just a honda]

so when u taking the k 20 spraying hatch to the track

[112480]

LOL, I just tried to give people a heads up about some sketchy work being done by some "Honda gurus" in this area... and since you apparently have your head up those people's asses now all you do is hate hate hate...

IIRC didn't those same "Honda gurus" build and tune the first K24 in the ATL area, and it blew up shortly afterwards? Are these people building your car and that is why you're pissed? :lmfao:

I also told you before only an idiot would street tune from scratch. You dyno tune first, then fine tune on the street.

Um first off i was just fucking with you thats y i told ur little disciple"evan" he's lame as fuck cause first i wasnt talking to him and second just messing with you from Mike first header post.

And NO YOU DID NOT TELL ME DYNO TUNE FIRST THEN STREET TUNE!! You were talking to someone else. You SPECIFICALLY told me that you ONLY street tune and its the best way to tune AND you told me to bring my "dyno queen" down to race your buddy "KIZDAWAY". and i said of course!

I wonder though before mike made another header thread did you read the list of mods i will have?? I seriously doubt it, but i'll will most certainly be glad to come down to pick on your friend:D

[112480]

Oh ah P.S, know that i have a 92 VX hatch and will have way over 400whp on the bottle and over 250whp all-motor..................... and know i wont have all this power and have a shity suspension and tire set-up. But hey it doesnt matter right cause my "dyno queen" will NEVER beat your buddy's SUPERIOR Street Tuned K car.

[ejohnson88]

Unlike you I am capable of thinking for myself... And I am not a "disciple" of anyone but my own intuition. I learn for myself and I think for myself which unfortunately is a capacity most people on this forum are incapable of. So before you go talking shit about people you don't know shit about, better just keep your mouth shut.

[oleblue]

VIDEO????

[05dc5s]

Oh ah P.S, know that i have a 92 VX hatch and will have way over 400whp on the bottle and over 250whp all-motor..................... and know i wont have all this power and have a shity suspension and tire set-up. But hey it doesnt matter right cause my "dyno queen" will NEVER beat your buddy's SUPERIOR Street Tuned K car.

When will your 250whp all-motor car be ready to run?


VIDEO????

x2

[nx2000det]

I wouldnt mess with this guy....

http://importsnc.com/forums/national-speed/52973-customer-car-build-2005-dodge-neon-srt-4-a.html

[112480]

Unlike you I am capable of thinking for myself... And I am not a "disciple" of anyone but my own intuition. I learn for myself and I think for myself which unfortunately is a capacity most people on this forum are incapable of. So before you go talking shit about people you don't know shit about, better just keep your mouth shut.

How old r u again? lol! I think you're the one who needs to watch who he's talking too

[112480]

When will your 250whp all-motor car be ready to run?

correction....250+(off the bottle) and soon:ninja:

[ejohnson88]

21, and I've obviously done a lot more growing up than you have.

[Vteckidd]

LOL, I just tried to give people a heads up about some sketchy work being done by some "Honda gurus" in this area... and since you apparently have your head up those people's asses now all you do is hate hate hate...

IIRC didn't those same "Honda gurus" build and tune the first K24 in the ATL area, and it blew up shortly afterwards? Are these people building your car and that is why you're pissed? :lmfao:

I also told you before only an idiot would street tune from scratch. You dyno tune first, then fine tune on the street.



Are you that obsessed with trying to gloat about yourself?

I've done more header tests for more companies than I can count. Nothing is sketchy about what I did you two just are mad about a $1000 header losing to mine. You're also too scared to come back and take me up on my offer to redo the test again in front of you again.

You and Evan have ZERO real world experience and knowledge. You read the internet and gossip to each other and make stuff up to defend your argument. I've heard the stuff you said about me and it's laughable. I hope I see both you tonight.

As far as mainstream you're referring to jays car. His motor was built by inline pro iirc. He purchased skunk2 stage 3 cams from Tony shagday(who I know very well).

Mainstream degreed and installed the camshafts. Then, after 3 MONTHS the skunk2 camshaft BrOKE. Everyone knows the problems with skunk2 cams in k series they are well documented. It was a part failure that had nothiv to do with mainstream or their installation. But I'm sure you'll say the oil temps and ect wasn't logged so it's somehow scottys fault lol

I'm respected because of what I have done in the community, what I've built, and who I have worked with/for. I didn't get to where I'm at by being shady or sketchy.

So before you spread rumors and lies either put up or shut up.

[112480]

21, and I've obviously done a lot more growing up than you have.

LOL!!!! Little boy i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that! Y haven't u and Moseley went back to Mainstream to take Vteckidd up on his offer?? Hey i'll even bring the header back to test them on your car vs ur $1000 header.

What do u say??

[ejohnson88]

Well considering I have a life and no time to get out there.. That would be why lol And because he took back his offer. So... yeah I don't have money to waste.

*edit* I see he kinda has the offer still up... Last time Kidd said that if I wanted to have it re tested It would be on my own dime... and like I said I don't feel like spending $50 to prove a point lol.

[Vteckidd]

I paid mainstream $150 for the hour or dyno time and $80 for installing the header. It cost ME money.

Why should I pay again to prove to two kids that my results were true, especially since one of the kids was there in the first place

you want to challenge me I accept, but if my results are duplicated you can pay for dyno time that's fair. Prove me wrong I'll pay

[COOK83]

I think it is funny how a man gets beat and there is always an excuss why. No offence but like with the OP's car in this thread, he lost to oleblue and said it was something with the bottle pressure is why he lost and then lost to a camaro and it was the same excuss. If your car was not right then you should not have raced so don't make excusses. I was one of the three in oleblue's car the night he beat you and trust me it could have been way worse(Bus lengths worse), he was just playing with you in his lowest pump gas tune which might have been a little over 300whp. He told me about this thread and the other one in the off-topic section so I had to check it out and after seeing all the shit talk, I can't wait for you two to run again. You just don't know what you are getting your self into.

Blue, hurry up and get the bugs worked out of that thing so this can go down.

[Vteckidd]

I don't see why everyone is so scared if kizdaway. It's a stock motor with a small shot

[oleblue]

I think it is funny how a man gets beat and there is always an excuss why. No offence but like with the OP's car in this thread, he lost to oleblue and said it was something with the bottle pressure is why he lost and then lost to a camaro and it was the same excuss. If your car was not right then you should not have raced so don't make excusses. I was one of the three in oleblue's car the night he beat you and trust me it could have been way worse(Bus lengths worse), he was just playing with you in his lowest pump gas tune which might have been a little over 300whp. He told me about this thread and the other one in the off-topic section so I had to check it out and after seeing all the shit talk, I can't wait for you two to run again. You just don't know what you are getting your self into.

Blue, hurry up and get the bugs worked out of that thing so this can go down.

lol....What's up man....To broke to do anything to it right now but if you let me get some of that big money you got it will be right again.lol

[oleblue]

I don't see why everyone is so scared if kizdaway. It's a stock motor with a small shot


I'm not scared, mine is just not ready to run at the time. A 125 shot is not small in my book. A 2,100lbs hatch, 230whp all motor and 125 shot on top of that will beat most street cars out there.

[Turbodude06]

I'm not scared, mine is just not ready to run at the time. A 125 shot is not small in my book. A 2,100lbs hatch, 230whp all motor and 125 shot on top of that will beat most street cars out there.


^very true, and does it even weigh that much?

[Vteckidd]

230whp? I heard from reliable people it was a stock k20a2 motor aka 180-190whp. Nitrous is cool but Honda guys run shit systems that have problems, so it kinda negates the whole thing anyway

[oleblue]

^very true, and does it even weigh that much?

Not really sure, i'm just going by one that I seen weighed at the track before. It was a 1992 model and had a turbo gsr swap,gsr dash,rims,body kit,big brake kit and all.

[oleblue]

230whp? I heard from reliable people it was a stock k20a2 motor aka 180-190whp. Nitrous is cool but Honda guys run shit systems that have problems, so it kinda negates the whole thing anyway

Just going by what I was told.

[Vteckidd]

I'd love to see a 230whp graph from a dyno. Only two people have beat that na in 4-5 years chunky and jay.

[oleblue]

I'd love to see a 230whp graph from a dyno. Only two people have beat that na in 4-5 years chunky and jay.

Hey man, were is this Jay guy from? A guy that I know that lives down the road from me that's name is Jay put down like 202whp on Dyno4mance's dyno which would be 230/240whp on a dynojet with a all motor k in a 1996 and up model yellow hatch.

[NoWAyItZTOMmY]

230whp? I heard from reliable people it was a stock k20a2 motor aka 180-190whp. Nitrous is cool but Honda guys run shit systems that have problems, so it kinda negates the whole thing anyway

i heard it was was itr cams, tran, and i forgot

[Vteckidd]

i mean i dont know Kizdaway at all, if he has a 230whp motor thats awesome, if he has a stock motor with ITR cams like ive heard, its a 200whp motor. 200whp motor with 125shot is a FAST CAR, its an easy 11 second 1/4 mile car with the right tires and thats nothing to be shy about.

If i could put a 75 shot on my car i would, but it would blow up so its not worth it to me to do it. K20s can handle it , ITRs cant.

Anyways , i want to run him motor to motor

[Turbodude06]

230whp? I heard from reliable people it was a stock k20a2 motor aka 180-190whp. Nitrous is cool but Honda guys run shit systems that have problems, so it kinda negates the whole thing anyway

its not stock:no:. But i'm not going to tell what exactly is done to it. It should be around 210-220hp, I would say...

[Vteckidd]

doesnt really matter, if it makes 230 or 200 ill now when we race.

[Turbodude06]

doesnt really matter, if it makes 230 or 200 ill now when we race.



:yes: That really would be an awsome all motor race.....

[KIZDAWAY]

doesnt really matter, if it makes 230 or 200 ill now when we race.

You wanna run what I got?

Ill run you ANY SPEED, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, ANY CASH.

[Vteckidd]

Motor to motor I'm ready anytime an I live in kennesaw too

[Moseley]

You and Evan have ZERO real world experience and knowledge.

Dude you have no idea... back in '99 my 84 civic was running 14.2 and was one of the fastest NA hondas around. I've been messing with this shit long enough. I'd never doubt your experience with B series or your rep. I just think your "dyno comparison" for the K swap header was poorly executed. btw the SSR header you compared to isn't even a "stock" K20 swap header for an EG. it was a custom fab for K24 + stage2 cams. Not ideal for that setup.

But to keep on topic... since you came in here you should just run the "stock k20a2 motor aka 180-190whp" and see what's up.

[Vteckidd]

Until you can do one better or take me up on my offer , it's a moot point.

I'm ready when he is

[vancem3m3]

you see the fn picture...your k'd civic equals none....
and oleblue ... you live right down the road heard you got handled by the 300zxtt lol lol lol

[oleblue]

you see the fn picture...your k'd civic equals none....
and oleblue ... you live right down the road heard you got handled buy the 300zxtt lol lol lol


Yep, from a stop. He had his DR's on and just hooked and went. I spun so much that I could not catch him and don't know if I could have if I did not. He said that he was a low 11 second car and it looked like it too.

Vteckidd, That is the 230/240whp all motor k'd hatch that I was talking about that the Jay I know drives.

[Vteckidd]

Ok well kizdaway I hear is Louis or Luis. He has a k20a2 with itr cams and a itr final drive lives around kennesaw. Jay had a 255whp k24 rsx . I don't know who the yellow el above is

[oleblue]

Ok well kizdaway I hear is Louis or Luis. He has a k20a2 with itr cams and a itr final drive lives around kennesaw. Jay had a 255whp k24 rsx . I don't know who the yellow el above is

Ok, nevermind then I thought it might could have been the same guy. Jay's hatch is nice as hell, it has everything swaped out from a true type r into it. I would love to own it.

[Vteckidd]

[/B]

Ok, nevermind then I thought it might could have been the same guy. Jay's hatch is nice as hell, it has everything swaped out from a true type r into it. I would love to own it.

even an ITR motor wont make 230whp. Not on Mainstreams Dyno which is what i go by because i have the most experience with it.

Also, you have to remember what gear the "Ks" Dyno in effects power numbers too. 6 Speed throws a lot of stuff out the window and effects the shape of the curve. MOST B series dyno in 3rd gear if they are NA, and 4th for the last run because its as close to the 1:1 everyone talks about.

When you change final drives, gearing, it effects peak numbers and the shape of the curve.

Thats why a TON of H2B cars with relatively NO mods make tons of power. Ive seen STOCK H22s mated to a B16 trans make 205-210whp. Numbers no other REGULAR h22 is even CLOSE to making. Wonder why ..............


btw the SSR header you compared to isn't even a "stock" K20 swap header for an EG. it was a custom fab for K24 + stage2 cams. Not ideal for that setup.

2 things about your statement

1) I find it incredibly hard to believe that SSR made a header with such SHORT primaries and such small Diameter for a "k24" motor. The header evan has is an OFF THE SHELF Tri-Y Header, they may have told him or someone else it was custom, but if it is, how come it matches EVERY OTHER SSR header EVER sold for SWAPPED cars?

Dont believe me? Check out their own site.
http://www.sixsigmaracing.com/k4-2-1Stainless.htm

See where it says at the bottom:

Every header is custom made in house and we have designed our headers for both the K-20 and K-24 engines.

Danny for 90% of his customers only makes 1 header. Ive seen them, ive BOUGHT THEM. Evan doesnt have some custom 1 off piece that was special made for a 2.4L. Its the NORMAL REGULAR K Swap Header SSR has been selling for YEARS.

These photos were taken almost 2 years ago by ME when i worked for Batlground. Notice how my the "replica" header is IDENTICAL to the SSR header. Everything from cylinder pairing, to diameter, to length etc. The ONLY difference is a SLIGHT angle where the header connects to the exhaust making it touch the rear subframe.

You guys can make excuses all you want, but it doesnt change the fact that a TUNED $1000+ header LOST to a $450 header.

And to answer the question, yes , the bigger primaries makes the Skunk2 "Replica" header make more power. Thats obvious when you look at both pictures. The SSR header was designed 3-4 years ago, Skunk2 designed their about a year ago. So obviously they found that bigger primaries performed better on a 2.0l motor than the old SSR design.

If SSR has some fancy new design out now, AWESOME, i could care less, because MY customers are going to pay $1000+ for a header that will BARELY make more power than my header that costs 1/2 as much and is shipping SAME DAY.

2) IF evan has some K24 header, designed for a BIGGER displacement motor, are you telling me that the REGULAR SSR K20 header has even SMALLER primaries? Gimme a break. The only thing that MIGHT have been different is SSR made the K24 header slightly longer because of the deck height differences. But his header is not custom engineered for a K24 like you claim. I have a REAL K20 SSR header at my house we can do comparisons if you want, ill bet you EVERYTHING is the same.

[Vteckidd]

I run a SSR 4-2-1 built for my car and motor with custom 3" mandrel I don't feel like paying $40 to go do three pulls on the dyno just to satisfy some curiosity of mine that isn't really that important.... So Again I am not looking for advice on what to do for my car... I have my car completely setup the way I want it I am just curious as to the differences that others have seen because I don't feel like doing it myself on a dyno.

Also funny how just a few weeks ago Evan was talking about how his header was custom made for his car, not some K24 motor like YOU are claiming Ryan. Wonder whose telling the truth?

http://k20a.org/forum/showpost.php?p=867937&postcount=25

Heres the ORIGINAL FOR SALE THREAD where Evan BOUGHT his header
http://k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=40897

Notice what the seller says


SSR 4-2-1 Header for EG/DC with Hybrid-Racing mounts for K20 or K24 in MINT condition. (fits both) Sold to Ejohnson88!

So the header , like i said earlier was made for BOTH motors.

Heres the thread i posted on K20A.org when his car was being built at the shop i worked for.
http://k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=40902

Notice how in post 19 i say how his RCREW header wouldnt work with HYBRID mounts.

Then his RCREW goes up for sale
http://k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=43175


THE ONLY REASON EVAN has a SSR header was because his $700 RCREW wouldnt work. He just happened to come across it on K20A.org being sold for cheap, and he could sell his RCREW for almost the same money.

Stop lying, the header is matched/built for his car.

GAME SET MATCH VTECKIDD

[112480]

I'd love to see a 230whp graph from a dyno. Only two people have beat that na in 4-5 years chunky and jay.

soon to b three:ninja:

[112480]

You wanna run what I got?

Ill run you ANY SPEED, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, ANY CASH.

hey KIZDAWAY, when i'm ready will u race me on ur bottle vs my all-motor?

[112480]

^very true, and does it even weigh that much?

Well my 92 Vx Hatch weighed 2020 with my d-series turbo setup WITHOUT ANY carbon fiber pieces. So hopefully the K swap wont b that much more added BUT i AM useing C.F parts and other weight reduction, so looking at to get my car in the 1900lbs range. 1985-1990lbs to b more exact.

[SmackedInATL]

Thread has run its course, ended in Honda failure.