different idea for a track day

[Incontt]

wonder if there would be any interest in a track day like this. Basically a test and tune with a quick 8/16 thrown in. The WHOLE day would be devoted to street cars. NOBODY (even just to tnt) could come on a trailer....NO slicks or drag radials/et streets....just real street tires...NO skinnies...NO drag wheels....not even for tnt.
The torque advantage of the v8s off the line would be knocked down some on street tires. I'd like to see how everybody runs on street tires since people like me couldnt use a tbrake or 2 step cause we'd blow the tires off. N20 guys wouldnt be leaving on the spray either.
Lotsa cars break off the line with sticky tires so this should eliminate lots of break downs as well. Just trying to come up with something different where a wider spread of cars have a closer race.
after about 2 hours in we could have qualifying passes for those wanting to enter the quick 8/16 and race at near the end of the day....payouts would be determined by how much money is collected.
there are plenty of track days for drs...slicks..race cars but none for the guy who just wants to run folks on a setup like he most likely would see at a redlight.

gimme some feedback....is it a good/bad idea?
im thinking silver dollar in the spring and about 20-25 bux

[Lurker]

Great idea, I'm down.

[Motivation]

I like that idea, man.

btw, your car moves the hell out... I was watching your car fly down the track while I was still sitting at the starting line a while back. lol

[HypnoToad]

deff good idea

[Incontt]

you guys see where the driver comes into play like at a redlight? the guy who just got his turbo would be spinning balls while you drive off....the guy who knows his car and how to drive it can outrun a car thats a little faster than his. Then its just a matter of getting far enuff out to hit the line before he winds you in. 2 cars evenly matched would be all driver!!!

[redrumracer]

shit sounds like fun, id do it if i have my camaro by then, but then id be all on the back end catching up. or tryin.

[40th GT]

Great idea. Though I think we need to create different classes, so people with slow cars like mine can have fun too lol.

I guess that would only work if there is a big group.

[Catnip]

I like that idea.

I don't have slicks anyways, just some shitty Cooper tires. I think I can get into the 12's with just a few more little mods... better exhaust, intake elbow, *cough*nitrous*cough*

[Black4DrEK]

Im down..sounds fun

[SicStang03]

I like that idea.

I don't have slicks anyways, just some shitty Cooper tires. I think I can get into the 12's with just a few more little mods... better exhaust, intake elbow, *cough*nitrous*cough*

no skinnies either:tongue1:


I would be down for this :cheers:

[SmackedInATL]

Everyone is always down until the event actually comes. You know me Jerry, you hit the track and I'll be right behind you.

[QKJUICEDPONY]

I'd be in...I'll bring the truck

[btstone]

i dont like it. what if I break (which is a good chance)? how would i get home

[QKJUICEDPONY]

i dont like it. what if I break (which is a good chance)? how would i get home


Unload somewhere else and drive it to the track

[WTF?]

i like the idea.

[oleblue]

I'd be down if it was at Steele. SDR is just to far for me from what I hear, i'd still like to check it out someday though.

[David88vert]

Here is the problem with the idea. You have this every Friday night at Commerce. The street cars running regular radials don't lay down any rubber on the track, so you basically will waste the track prep. If you don't think so, go to Commerce and see how you will run 0.5-1.0 sec slower than MMP, Steele, SDR, etc.

The V8s will still have the advantage. The serious guys will just run a bigger width and diameter street tire, and will still have a good patch, since most will be RWD. The FWD imports will mostly be stuck on 7-8" width wheels max.

Additionally, most of the imports and street ready cars will likely be manual. Automatics will have the advantage as almost all street tires will be radials. The stick cars will shock the tires harder, so the fast autos will have a huge advantage there also.

Slightly built, FWD, stick shift cars should suffer the most - which is what most of the people on this forum would be.

[David88vert]

Unload somewhere else and drive it to the track


That's what the fast guys will do. At SDR, they would unload at the grocery store, or the corner convience store. At Commerce, they would unload at the Wal-Mart.

Why not let them trailer, just require DOT approved radial tires. Of course, then how are you going to say that a DOT approved drag radial such as a Nitto, BFG, or MT is not a street tire? And if you allow them, what about ET Streets then? Toyo TQs would not be allowed, but RA-1's would? Where do you draw the line on tire selection?

[40th GT]

Here is the problem with the idea. You have this every Friday night at Commerce. The street cars running regular radials don't lay down any rubber on the track, so you basically will waste the track prep.


Please explain.



Slightly built, FWD, stick shift cars should suffer the most - which is what most of the people on this forum would be.
IA as a whole yes but it looks like in the KF a good number of cars are RWD.

[40th GT]

That's what the fast guys will do. At SDR, they would unload at the grocery store, or the corner convience store. At Commerce, they would unload at the Wal-Mart.

x2. Let'em bring their trailers and unload at the track, so they won't have to be stuck at the track if their cars break.



Why not let them trailer, just require DOT approved radial tires. Of course, then how are you going to say that a DOT approved drag radial such as a Nitto, BFG, or MT is not a street tire? And if you allow them, what about ET Streets then? Toyo TQs would not be allowed, but RA-1's would? Where do you draw the line on tire selection?
I guess the OP means street radials. (i.e. anything that isn't labeled drag radials or slicks)

Any interest for Commerce? The other 2 tracks mentioned are way out from me.

[David88vert]

Please explain.

When you rent the track, they prep the surface with VHT. As the drag car do burnouts, launch, etc. their soft tires leave a rubber surface on the pavement. Radial tires are poor for launching - the rubber compund is too hard it balls up and gets shot into the cars wheel wells, except a tiny bit. Radial tires destroy a race track, because they ball and chunk up the layer of rubber on the track surface, which is bad for the starting line, and they cause bald spots when they spin.

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And, in order to have enough head count to pay for the track, you will need to attract more than just the KF. You will need lots of people from IA, plus other forums.

[Evil Goat]

i like it....i've honestly never made any nitrous passes on street tires so i'd be interested to see where i could get on them

[collins]

i love the idea... but then again i'm slow so... :dunno:

[Incontt]

i wouldnt have Ed prep the track. Is the street prepped at the redlight when you race? NOPE. Everyone would be on equal ground. It would be cool to see what everyone runs on the same surface and street tires. If there is a decent possibility that you are going to break on street tires then you dont really have a street car. I wanna see folks cruise down...run all day and have a good time. A little quick 8/16 race is just something for those who HAVE to compete to have fun. The fast guys are still going to be fast...just not as fast. This would be real street daily driver tires...not drag radials DOTs...et streets etc. I dont expect to attract all the fast cars. Just the regular guy who may be intimidated by a track day where everyone is on slicks/trailers. There are plenty of races for the fast cars but no days JUST for street tires and races. Prolly do lanes 1/2 for people wanting to race anybody....lanes 5/6 for guys to line up against their preselected opponent.

[David88vert]

i wouldnt have Ed prep the track. Is the street prepped at the redlight when you race? NOPE.
Everyone would be on equal ground. It would be cool to see what everyone runs on the same surface and street tires. If there is a decent possibility that you are going to break on street tires then you dont really have a street car. I wanna see folks cruise down...run all day and have a good time. A little quick 8/16 race is just something for those who HAVE to compete to have fun. The fast guys are still going to be fast...just not as fast. This would be real street daily driver tires...not drag radials DOTs...et streets etc. I dont expect to attract all the fast cars. Just the regular guy who may be intimidated by a track day where everyone is on slicks/trailers. There are plenty of races for the fast cars but no days JUST for street tires and races. Prolly do lanes 1/2 for people wanting to race anybody....lanes 5/6 for guys to line up against their preselected opponent.


Sometimes my lane is prepped..... :ninja:

I think that you will have people trailering down to the track still.

You will need to clearly state what tires are and are not allowed. If someone whos up on slicks and is trailered, and wants to T&T, are you going to stop them from getting on the track? What if all they have are DRs? If you ban DRs, are you going to allow R-compound tires in the Quick 8/16?

[Incontt]

nope...prolly require a certain treadwear rating. they can come on trailers...just wont get a tech card

[Evil Goat]

i'm in....i've driven my car to sdr and changed all 4 tires countless times before buying a trailer....so going and not having to change anything and just have a good time would be a breath of fresh air

it's kinda like the 15 second index races we do....i love that shit, i still may get beat by a car with 90 hp but its fun just to go down there and relax and have a good time racing

[Incontt]

that is EXACTLY what i mean. Its nice to just drive down..run right into the lanes and have a good time.

[TSiFTW]

I would be down, except for I drive a DSM:rolleyes: so it will be trailered. I guess I could unload down the street. Secondly on my 400 treadwear street tires, I am out. I am not awd. I don't fall into the category of slightly modded FWD. I get NO traction at all, period, on streets. I could think of lots of DSM's and SRT-4's along with a few big boost Hondas who would be in the same boat.

[David88vert]

My car sits on skinnies and DRs all the time. I drive them on the street - all the way to SDR. I do not have any other wheels/tires at this moment (sold them), but my car is exactly what you are looking to have show up in every other aspect - full interior, daily driveable. I know that I would not make a Quick16, but like to run for fun.

Personally, I think you should have TnT for anything that shows - any tire, trailered, etc. No limits, just let them know that the track will not receive full prep. That should keep serious competition guys away.

For the Quick Street 8/16, I would suggest that you impose tire and suspension rules - stock suspension ( no backhalves, etc) and DOT tires with a UTQG rating at 140 or higher. Most racing organizations do that. That would eliminate most competition, DRs, R-compounds. Just a suggestion.

[boosted_nonv]

great idea ya'll he's basically setting up legal street racing which is pretty damn cool, this should be fun

[TS240]

Sounds like fun.

[40th GT]

Secondly on my 400 treadwear street tires, I am out. I am not awd. I don't fall into the category of slightly modded FWD. I get NO traction at all, period, on streets. I could think of lots of DSM's and SRT-4's along with a few big boost Hondas who would be in the same boat.
You're not alone. I have 400 treadwear tires as well and can't hook for shit (2.35 60' times), and I have RWD.
My lack of experience probably has something to do with it but then again I am trying to juggle 320 ft-lbs of torque on those tires.

I guess the FWD guys can go from a 15mph roll then.
Light goes green, roll out, 3 honks, GO.
lol.

[40th GT]

nope...prolly require a certain treadwear rating. they can come on trailers...just wont get a tech card
Doesn't no tech card = no race?

[JJSPEC Racing]

Bradenton does something like this. They do no track prep, and no water for a burnout. Sounds interesting.

[Incontt]

Doesn't no tech card = no race?

yup.

im glad to see some interest. Im gonna ask on MCE and see if there is any interest there and then call Ed at sdr. This should be a really laid back day. I know a few are gonna bitch about no tricky tires and no trailers but there are TONS of days for you to run....this weekend even. If you dont have some regular street tires and cant makes some WOT blasts without thinking its prolly gonna break...you dont have much of a streetcar. Those guys can go run at IFO or something like that.

[JJSPEC Racing]

I drive my Integra daily on some decently hard tires so this should be fun. Nothing like 14.6 @ 120, haha!

[Incontt]

everybody cant be the fastest. If the fwd gets NO traction then race FWDs all day and see where you stack up. You guys are putting too much emphasis on the racing part and not enuff on the laid back fun part. If u wanna roll race leave and then both mat it at the 330 mark. tons of possibilities and all legal. Cant wait to get drug by an awd car with half the hp!!!

[Evil Goat]

everybody cant be the fastest. If the fwd gets NO traction then race FWDs all day and see where you stack up. You guys are putting too much emphasis on the racing part and not enuff on the laid back fun part. If u wanna roll race leave and then both mat it at the 330 mark. tons of possibilities and all legal. Cant wait to get drug by an awd car with half the hp!!!

whatchoo talking about a awd car? i'm gonna drag you with half the hp in my sherman tank :D

and agreed, everyones missing the laid back racing with friends part....i think what jerry is proposing is a day where we can all get together, not worry about competition, not have to do anything, change anything, and run against other street cars....sounds like a helluva idea to me and i think a good bit of you could use that breath of fresh air im talking about by not having any stress racing, just doing it for fun

[David88vert]

whatchoo talking about a awd car? i'm gonna drag you with half the hp in my sherman tank :D

and agreed, everyones missing the laid back racing with friends part....i think what jerry is proposing is a day where we can all get together, not worry about competition, not have to do anything, change anything, and run against other street cars....sounds like a helluva idea to me and i think a good bit of you could use that breath of fresh air im talking about by not having any stress racing, just doing it for fun

Not missing anything at all. I only go to have fun with friends - no competitions for me. But I am not going to go out and buy a new set of wheels and tires just to go to a TnT. Neither will most other people. And these are the people that will show up - even if just to watch. The guys that normally run street tires go almost every Friday to Commerce for the laidback TnT. Personally, I would not drive 2 hrs to SDR to not run my car, just to watch some cars on high treadwear tires spin down the track. The track depends on both competitors and spectators to make money.
So what will be the difference between this event and a normal TnT? If you limit who can run in the TnT, there will simply be less cars for the TnT part of the event than a normal TnT has, and trailers will be sitting at the parking lot down the street. Most people who spend the money to buy a truck and trailer are still going to use them.
The only difference that there should be is the rules of the racing part of the event - IMHO.

My suggestion is the most practical - any car/bike on any tire can run in the TnT. Any car/bike can be driven in or trailered in for the TnT.

Competitors must register for the race at the gate.
Competitors must have a DOT approved tire with a rating of 140 or higher - no R-compunds, DRs, or slicks allowed.
Minimum wheel width is 5".
Competitors must meet stock suspension rules:
- Suspension type must be as originally equipped : factory attachment points must be used
- Direct bolt-on replacement parts only allowed for suspension componenets (coilover shocks are ok).
- No mini-tubs allowed
- No ladder bars allowed
- No 4-links allowed
- No wheelie bars allowed
- Weld-in anti-roll bars are allowed
- Torque arms only allowed if car was originally equipped with one (I.E. - 3rd and 4th gen F-Body, Buick GNX)
- Leaf spring cars allowed slapper bars, cal-trac bars, smith trax and complete mono or multi leafs, no half leaf/coil over combos allowed, moving springs inboard is permitted
- Factory frame notching not allowed
Competitors are required to have working mufflers.
Competitors cars are required to be currently registered and tagged, and insured.
(Important!) Tech director reserves the right to deny any competitor deemed unsafe or not meeting the spirit of the rules.

Of course, all normal safety rules still apply.

These are just my suggestions from going to a lot of events over the years. I would like to see the event take place, but I understand that it still has to attract enough people to make it affordable. It costs money to hold an event at the track obviously.

[Incontt]

u set that day up and ill set mine up. Normal tnt has guys with slicks making the others look bad....guys running no times...bikes...fucked up track prep for guys on slicks because of the street tired cars and guys dragging water from the water box to the line.
a normal tnt has enuff cars to pay for track and plenty are on street tires. Guys with trailers and slicks aint gonna want to come on street tires anyway....they wont mind skipping this. If you dont have some street tires...u aint got a street car...skip this event and save me the drama...this event is not for you. Its for the guys who DONT have a trailer and slicks....this is not a race/IFO event or something like that. Why are you trying to make it more complicated? This aint for you. If nobody could get traction on street tires nobody would race from a redlight but they do....cause its fun. This is for fun....evil goat gets it and a few others do. You are trying to center this around a race...I dont want that. MCE has just a tnt day with NO racing and it attracts plenty of people. Im just taking it a step further and trying to make the most relaxing day you can have at the track....a legal way to run a redlight type race for STREET cars that have street tires....they like to go fast too

[Evil Goat]

i'm down to clown....let me know what i can do!

[Incontt]

ok....still gotta run it by mce guys and a few more. id let my wife make passes...she made 7 passes in a row on before

[quicksix]

I'm always down

[Incontt]

hell yeah after u ran 13s on low boost and 20" skreet tires!!!!!!!

[SmackedInATL]

u set that day up and ill set mine up. Normal tnt has guys with slicks making the others look bad....guys running no times...bikes...fucked up track prep for guys on slicks because of the street tired cars and guys dragging water from the water box to the line.
a normal tnt has enuff cars to pay for track and plenty are on street tires. Guys with trailers and slicks aint gonna want to come on street tires anyway....they wont mind skipping this. If you dont have some street tires...u aint got a street car...skip this event and save me the drama...this event is not for you. Its for the guys who DONT have a trailer and slicks....this is not a race/IFO event or something like that. Why are you trying to make it more complicated? This aint for you. If nobody could get traction on street tires nobody would race from a redlight but they do....cause its fun. This is for fun....evil goat gets it and a few others do. You are trying to center this around a race...I dont want that. MCE has just a tnt day with NO racing and it attracts plenty of people. Im just taking it a step further and trying to make the most relaxing day you can have at the track....a legal way to run a redlight type race for STREET cars that have street tires....they like to go fast too

From "A Few Good Men"
Jack Nicholson: "ARE WE CLEAR???"
Tom Cruise: "Crystal."

[Incontt]

lol...thanks aaron

[ueyedgr8tness]

sounds like fun if the wifey would ever let me out:(

[David88vert]

u set that day up and ill set mine up. Normal tnt has guys with slicks making the others look bad....guys running no times...bikes...fucked up track prep for guys on slicks because of the street tired cars and guys dragging water from the water box to the line.
a normal tnt has enuff cars to pay for track and plenty are on street tires. Guys with trailers and slicks aint gonna want to come on street tires anyway....they wont mind skipping this. If you dont have some street tires...u aint got a street car...skip this event and save me the drama...this event is not for you. Its for the guys who DONT have a trailer and slicks....this is not a race/IFO event or something like that. Why are you trying to make it more complicated? This aint for you. If nobody could get traction on street tires nobody would race from a redlight but they do....cause its fun. This is for fun....evil goat gets it and a few others do. You are trying to center this around a race...I dont want that. MCE has just a tnt day with NO racing and it attracts plenty of people. Im just taking it a step further and trying to make the most relaxing day you can have at the track....a legal way to run a redlight type race for STREET cars that have street tires....they like to go fast too

My car is as much of as street car as you will possibly find. And it drives on the street on DRs and skinnies - and I never trailer it. And it wouldn't embarrass any street tire car. Wouldn't make a Quick 64 even.
That's why my point is that for a TnT it shouldn't matter what tire is run. Just don't prep the track, and most slicked cars won't bother showing, but you would still get a lot of DR cars that would have fun.
Good luck on your event. I hope it is a success.

[allout13]

I think its a good idea. I dont have a car worth running, but I might be able to talk my brother into bringing his 91 supra down

[Lurker]

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[JJSPEC Racing]

Sounds like it will be fun!

[TSiFTW]

I guess I can see the point now after thinking about it. It would be fun.

[Evolunchbox]

Wished I still lived in Ga, I would be down for this race! A very good idea Jerry!

[quicksix]

hell yeah after u ran 13s on low boost and 20" skreet tires!!!!!!!

:ninja: