First Motorex, now Kaizo. More GTRs seized by police forces from Cali owners.

[EJ25RUN]

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http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html

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The importation of the Nissan Skyline GT-R to the United States has been a Hollywood-sized epic spanning ten years. For a while, the only game in town was to go through Motorex for a crash-tested, USDOT and EPA-approved Godzilla. Unfortunately, the company owner let his fondness of Japanese hostess clubs take precedence over delivering cars. Since Motorex shut its doors in 2005, enthusiasts have been scouring each and every loophole in US Customs laws to keep the supplies flowing. In 2006 ,a company called Kaizo began taking orders. Their model, vastly different from Motorex's expensive methods, involved the importation of specialty-constructed Nissan Skyline GT-R bodies from Japan to be mated with customer-supplied powertrains upon delivery to the United States, thus creating a kit car (to put it simply).

Following the tradition that is the GT-R saga, Kaizo's actions have recently been called into question by pretty much every acronymed authority -- DOT, EPA, ICE, CARB, DOJ and FBI. Charges against Kaizo have yet to be filed, but along with a raid on company headquarters, various customers have been delivered letters suggesting exportation and some have even lost their rides. To date, five R34s and one R32 GT-R have been seized by kevlar-clad armed officers. Exasperated customers have banded together in an attempt to find some salvation in this mess, and it isn't only hardcore enthusiasts left out in the cold by the scandal either. Recently, rather high-profile operation utilized Kaizo resources to create a valuable franchise, and if the drama keeps up at this rate, perhaps the Nissan Skyline GT-R story could be their next project.


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[90_ACCORD]

you would think this would say something to nissan. i dont know what all would have to be done but im pretty sure they would sell a shit load if they started producing them over here

and i mean really they need that kinda force to get these cars from these people. they treat them like they are serial killers or something. I mean come on. there are killers and drug dealers out there but they are more worried about getting these cars off the street.

[EJ25RUN]

These were too funny...


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Alex Nunez1
Alex Nunez 11:12AM (10/03/2009)

Thank God we have the Feds' kevlar ninja stormtroopers to protect us from the extreme, clear and present danger that is potentially non-compliant Japanese imported sports cars...

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Clavius2
Clavius 7:10PM (10/03/2009)

Of course they hired the kevlar ninja's.. they heard that pirates where importing the Skylines! (had to say it :( lol)

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James3
James 7:17PM (10/03/2009)

"Following the tradition that is the GT-R saga, Kaizo's actions have recently been called into question by pretty much every acronymed authority -- DOT, EPA, ICE, CARB, DOJ and FBI..."

King Kong (Feds) vs. Godzilla

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De4
De 9:59PM (10/03/2009)

I say we pull all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and fight this growing threat!

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Visnick5
Visnick 11:02PM (10/03/2009)

Yes, all five of them.
I want my tax money back!

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Rick C.6
Rick C. 7:18PM (10/03/2009)

The DOT, EPA, ICE, CARB, DOJ and FBI are involved?!? The CIA, USGS and NASA got hosed.

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NICK7
NICK 7:26PM (10/03/2009)

Its stupid... whats the problem with them... so there right hand drive, but they are safe there... so wouldnt that mean they are safer here with our crash test regulations... not 3 months ago, i saw a r32 skyline at a drift event, in the parking lot. and a 19 year old was driving it, it sounded like an rb engine, so if that onel slipped why is a big problem now...

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leitplanke8
leitplanke 7:27PM (10/03/2009)

what a nice car...

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Mitchell Scott9
Mitchell Scott 7:28PM (10/03/2009)

These people obsessed with importing Skylines seem to not realize that there are indeed other cars out there....

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mact10
mact 7:32PM (10/03/2009)

People will go great lengths for CERTAIN cars. Do a little research on the R34 GTR and you will find out how great that piece of machinery really is. In many ways it's still better than the new GTR.

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IK8411
IK84 7:37PM (10/03/2009)

Wait... is this the same California that is currently bankrupt? Gee wiz... they cant afford to pay people of the state, but they sure can afford to send out agents to confiscate harmless cars.

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Catapult12
Catapult 7:45PM (10/03/2009)

Harmless? These skylines are clearly the #1 cause of global warming, the economic meltdown and the death of polar bears. Kaizo must be stopped!

/sarcasm

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Clavius13
Clavius 7:52PM (10/03/2009)

For the love of god think of the POLAR BEARS!!!!!!! lol

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click_playaz14
click_playaz 8:11PM (10/03/2009)

OH I see, so Polar bears are Godzilla's food.

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click_playaz15
click_playaz 8:11PM (10/03/2009)

I mean prey*

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Visnick16
Visnick 11:04PM (10/03/2009)

+1

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Azrael4h17
Azrael4h 8:17PM (10/03/2009)

The problem is that Nissan, nor this fellow running this operation, paid Uncle Sam the requisite massive extortion fees to "legalize" these cars. That's big bucks there. Millions.

You know, that body style is still very attractive... Nissan should just bring it to the US on a G37/Z370 chassis. Make sure it passes crash testing (easy, since it would be using existing, legal cars' guts) and emissions (also easy, for the same reason), and we have a Skyline in the US. I'd bet it'd sell well to non-enthusiasts who recognize it from the Gay and the Transvestite movie that came out earlier this year.

Of course, I have no idea on the costs to do so, but they don't need any styling work done, and 90% of the engineering can be parts-binned out of the G37/Z370 box. So no more than a minimal investment. Offer it in sedan as well as coupe form, and as a Nissan, so it doesn't compete with the Z and so it has more mainstream appeal. Gotta keep prices low though, or it'll compete vs the G37.

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mbslrm18
mbslrm 7:44PM (10/03/2009)

Can't the owners just have them detuned/modified to met the regulations?

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click_playaz19
click_playaz 7:47PM (10/03/2009)

Skyline GT-R and GT-R are Godzillas, then Lexus LF-A is a Kyubi.

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JDM Life20
JDM Life 7:50PM (10/03/2009)

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Im guessin Kyubi is stronger then Godzilla?

[leobond001]

damn. the epa doesnt want to see this car does it

[Arm&hammer]

That's sad, especially since those skylines are sexy.

[speedminded]

*Waits for Type-R's response* I gave the warning, they're cracking down and when that 2010 Skyline meet comes around there's going to be a lot of unhappy Skyline owners.

[Type-R]

*Waits for Type-R's response* I gave the warning, they're cracking down and when that 2010 Skyline meet comes around there's going to be a lot of unhappy Skyline owners.

Yeah this is news from 4 months ago

All of the guys that own these cars are working with a lawyer presently

http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/announcement.php?f=2
http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4770



This ONLY pertains to Kaizo/Nissanie cars. The common factor in it all is Daryl Alison. This is no different then the old Skyline King mess, only thing is that Kaizo did 10x more importing then Skyline King managed to do before getting shut down.

[quickdodge®]

*Waits for Type-R's response*

Lolol. Later, QD.

[oneSLOWex]

Yeah this is news from 4 months ago

All of the guys that own these cars are working with a lawyer presently

http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/announcement.php?f=2
http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4770



This ONLY pertains to Kaizo/Nissanie cars. The common factor in it all is Daryl Alison. This is no different then the old Skyline King mess, only thing is that Kaizo did 10x more importing then Skyline King managed to do before getting shut down.

Thats good to hear!

I have never and probably will never own a Skyline(but i like them) but this shit is stupid....there are MUCH bigger problems out there besides cars. There has to be some way to stop this or atleast get people their money back. The way I see it is the government is stealing cars...I mean...they are not the ones that purchased these cars....yet they take them from people...hmmm

[Type-R]

but this shit is stupid....there are MUCH bigger problems out there besides cars.


Skylines are a danger to everyone if you ask the import/customs office of the NHTSA, one of them was quoted saying these cars were like rocket ships with all kinds of electronics and doodads

[speedminded]

Thats good to hear!

I have never and probably will never own a Skyline(but i like them) but this shit is stupid....there are MUCH bigger problems out there besides cars. There has to be some way to stop this or atleast get people their money back. The way I see it is the government is stealing cars...I mean...they are not the ones that purchased these cars....yet they take them from people...hmmmThe government seizing something they consider federally illegal is stealing now? So with that logic if I bought a Class III weapon without going through the proper procedures of obtaining the required permit to purchase and possess it you're saying it would be wrong for them to seize it and put me in jail? Despite it being illegal [to me] I paid for it so it should be mine and I should have the right to use it how I see fit?

[oneSLOWex]

Skylines are a danger to everyone if you ask the import/customs office of the NHTSA, one of them was quoted saying these cars were like rocket ships with all kinds of electronics and doodads
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: WOW are you kidding me?

The government seizing something they consider federally illegal is stealing now? So with that logic if I bought a Class III weapon without going through the proper procedures of obtaining the required permit to purchase and possess it you're saying it would be wrong for them to seize it and put me in jail? Despite it being illegal [to me] I paid for it so it should be mine right?

Skylines dont kill people LOL

I wonder how many of these people purchased their cars thinking they were legal?

[speedminded]

Skylines dont kill people LOL

I wonder how many of these people purchased their cars thinking they were legal?Guns don't kill people.

How many of them purchased a Kaizo in attempt to get around the federal laws specifically banning them?

It took 10 years and over $1,000,000 for Bill Gates to finally get to drive his Porsche 959 on US Soil...

[quickdodge®]

The government seizing something they consider federally illegal is stealing now? So with that logic if I bought a Class III weapon without going through the proper procedures of obtaining the required permit to purchase and possess it you're saying it would be wrong for them to seize it and put me in jail? Despite it being illegal [to me] I paid for it so it should be mine and I should have the right to use it how I see fit?

Exactly. Again. You buy something you weren't supposed to buy means it was never yours. You can't steal from someone what doesn't belong to that someone. Later, QD.

[Type-R]

Exactly. Again. You buy something you weren't supposed to buy means it was never yours. You can't steal from someone what doesn't belong to that someone. Later, QD.

That's actually not the case with Kaizo. Vehicle sales and customs are 2 different monsters, just becasue a vehicle is non-compliant with standards and is not eligible for importation doesn't mean that if someone buys it the sale is voided.

The NHTSA doesn't seize the vehicles off the bat, they tell the owner you have x amount of days to get it out of the country or else we'll take care of it for you. It's very common for the owners to be in over their heads at that point and just have the agents take the car. Money is a big factor because you have to shell out upwards of $5,000 to send the car someone out of the country and then on top of that have some place for the car to go, which generally people don't because they live in the U.S. and don't know anyone outside or have a storage location for it.

[Kevykev]

Wow, what a waste.

LOL @ the replies.

[Glides]

Lol. This is funny because this exact same thing happened to my brother, though on the importer end. He brought in 6 cars and the guy sent them in open deck. EPA nabbed em. There was a Pulsar GTIr, en Evo 5 I think it was, a Skyline or 2 and something else.

After taking them, they never got back in touch with him except to threaten him over monies and all that. Then they stopped calling. About 3 or 4 months later, the Evo showed up at an auction. They never contacted him, nothing. Basically snapped his cars, then sold em and pocketed the money. I think they got him for about $60,000 in cars and transportation fees. He was pissed.

The sad fact in this is that silver o0ne, with the plastic wrap on it most likely put there by the owner thinking he was protecting it until he got it back, is never getting that car back. The EPA will never let that thing go. They will sell it as an off road vehicle, OR they will take a sawsall to the unibody rails and render it unusable and sell it for parts.

The greatest part in all of this is that with 2 wars, Healthcare, Gay Rights, Unemployment and the likes, they go after the guys who are more than likely productive members of society (who can afford the vehicles legally or so they though) and take some Skylines. What a wonderful Free country we live in.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

I love America !

Why are the FBI agents going after car enthusiasts?

Why are they not going after those who killed, raped, robbed, and those that are still on the run from the law?

It's like 1 "unsafe" Skyline to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 "safe" cars.

[Glides]

Well, the Skyline is no more unsafe than any other car. ESPECIALLY some of the cars I see running all over the roads down here in Ga.

The reasons they are after them are Emissions related. The funny thing about that though, is that most of the vehicles in the outlying counties around Atlanta are WAY worse on the environment than that Skyline is. It's just the fact that it does not meet Federal Emissions standards. Thats the reason they go after them. Skylines are also high profile targets simply because they are the king daddy of Japanese Tuner cars, and as we all know.....EVERYONE in a tricked Japanese car is a racer. So what better way to kill 2 birds with one stone than go after the most expensive Japanese cars out there.

Plus, once they get them. they will sell them and make profit over someone elses loss. The good old American way of sticking it to the little guy in the most ridiculous ways possible.

Unfortunately, it is illegal to own them. No matter how you slice it you are breaking the law to own one. Doesn't matter how stupid it is, it's the law. Sort of like doing your woman in the bottom on Sunday in Minnesota I think it is, it's dumb, but against the law. Just they don't arrest you for that.

[Type-R]

EPA nabbed em.


The EPA doesn't seize vehicles, ICE does




Why are they not going after those who killed, raped, robbed, and those that are still on the run from the law?


Because it's easier for them to go after petty things. FBI has little interest in seizing cars though they are working on the case, it's ICE and CARB that are the big hitters right now. Everyone has to justify their jobs and why they should continue to get paid.

[Type-R]

Unfortunately, it is illegal to own them. No matter how you slice it you are breaking the law to own one. Doesn't matter how stupid it is, it's the law. Sort of like doing your woman in the bottom on Sunday in Minnesota I think it is, it's dumb, but against the law. Just they don't arrest you for that.

It's not illegal to own them, it all depends on how the cars arrived in the country and what motor is installed in the car, that's it. There's tons of guys I know driving around DR30's and older cars, as well as R32's, etc. that are not for street use, 100% legal to own.

FMVSS apply to vehicles for road use which is why the NHTSA (National Highway and Traffic Saftey Administration) governs the rules.

Again, Daryl is in hot water because of how he brought his cars in the country and hooked up lots of his customers.

[Glides]

The EPA doesn't seize vehicles, ICE does

.

Interesting, since EPA took my brothers, all 6 of them. Right off the dock when they were offloaded. He even got a nice call from the EPA man to alert him to the fact.

[Type-R]

Interesting, since EPA took my brothers, all 6 of them. Right off the dock when they were offloaded. He even got a nice call from the EPA man to alert him to the fact.

Really, when ICE (Immigrations and Customs Enforcement) are the ones with agents to handle such matters. The EPA only cares what motors are in cars and if they meet emissions standards, which doesn't come into play until after a car has arrived at a RI facility.

[Glides]

It's not illegal to own them, it all depends on how the cars arrived in the country and what motor is installed in the car, that's it. There's tons of guys I know driving around DR30's and older cars, as well as R32's, etc. that are not for street use, 100% legal to own.

FMVSS apply to vehicles for road use which is why the NHTSA (National Highway and Traffic Saftey Administration) governs the rules.

Again, Daryl is in hot water because of how he brought his cars in the country and hooked up lots of his customers.

Also, anything 25 years and older IS legal to own. Under 25 years, legal to own, not drive on street. Sure you can get a title for one if you are tricky at the DMV, but it is NOT legal and if it's looked into close enough, it will be spotted. You used to be able to bring them over with the Military. I once almost bought a Soarer that was brought in like that.

Sure it's legal for you to own one, but NOT legal for you to drive it on the street. There used to be the Rally rule, I think it's still in effect. If you owned one, y ou could own it for one year, then it had to either be sold or go back out of the country.

[Glides]

Really, when ICE (Immigrations and Customs Enforcement) are the ones with agents to handle such matters. The EPA only cares what motors are in cars and if they meet emissions standards, which doesn't come into play until after a car has arrived at a RI facility.

They arrived in I think Savannah, and as they were offloaded, they were nabbed. The EPA called and saidd the cars had been seized. I'm not making this stuff up. I can get the port if you need it.

[Type-R]

You used to be able to bring them over with the Military. I once almost bought a Soarer that was brought in like that.

If you owned one, y ou could own it for one year, then it had to either be sold or go back out of the country.

Military can still ship them through what's called TMO, but the vehicles must be listed on the non-conforming able to be modified into compliance list via the NHTSA.

The 1 year temporary import rule only applies to non U.S. citizens eligible to bring along a POV while they are on temp status in the U.S. This is most commonly seen during GumBall rallies.

[Type-R]

They arrived in I think Savannah, and as they were offloaded, they were nabbed. The EPA called and saidd the cars had been seized. I'm not making this stuff up. I can get the port if you need it.

I would highly suggest next time to ship the chassis and engine/tranny seperate, that prevents any questions.

[Glides]

I would highly suggest next time to ship the chassis and engine/tranny seperate, that prevents any questions.

After losing his $60k, he didn't ship anything else in. The first shipment came in a container and the shippers hung 2 cars from the roof of the container with come-a-longs. They broke and if you have been to any Drift events and seen the Gold and cream Soarer with the messed up rear roofline, or the Purple Skyline 4 door, you will know how that ended.

The saddest part about the whole Skyline thing is that no matter how they are brought in, or registered, they are never fully safe. The government can come and get em. Either way they still do not meet EPA or DOT standards. They mostly only go after the ones in Cali though that I am aware of. I am sure some are targetted elsewhere but mostly in Cali. Also, they rarely go after other vehicles.

[1SICKLEX]

These were too funny...


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Alex Nunez1
Alex Nunez 11:12AM (10/03/2009)

Thank God we have the Feds' kevlar ninja stormtroopers to protect us from the extreme, clear and present danger that is potentially non-compliant Japanese imported sports cars...

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Clavius2
Clavius 7:10PM (10/03/2009)

Of course they hired the kevlar ninja's.. they heard that pirates where importing the Skylines! (had to say it :( lol)

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James3
James 7:17PM (10/03/2009)

"Following the tradition that is the GT-R saga, Kaizo's actions have recently been called into question by pretty much every acronymed authority -- DOT, EPA, ICE, CARB, DOJ and FBI..."

King Kong (Feds) vs. Godzilla

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De4
De 9:59PM (10/03/2009)

I say we pull all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and fight this growing threat!

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Visnick5
Visnick 11:02PM (10/03/2009)

Yes, all five of them.
I want my tax money back!

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Rick C.6
Rick C. 7:18PM (10/03/2009)

The DOT, EPA, ICE, CARB, DOJ and FBI are involved?!? The CIA, USGS and NASA got hosed.

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NICK7
NICK 7:26PM (10/03/2009)

Its stupid... whats the problem with them... so there right hand drive, but they are safe there... so wouldnt that mean they are safer here with our crash test regulations... not 3 months ago, i saw a r32 skyline at a drift event, in the parking lot. and a 19 year old was driving it, it sounded like an rb engine, so if that onel slipped why is a big problem now...

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leitplanke8
leitplanke 7:27PM (10/03/2009)

what a nice car...

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Mitchell Scott9
Mitchell Scott 7:28PM (10/03/2009)

These people obsessed with importing Skylines seem to not realize that there are indeed other cars out there....

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mact10
mact 7:32PM (10/03/2009)

People will go great lengths for CERTAIN cars. Do a little research on the R34 GTR and you will find out how great that piece of machinery really is. In many ways it's still better than the new GTR.

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IK8411
IK84 7:37PM (10/03/2009)

Wait... is this the same California that is currently bankrupt? Gee wiz... they cant afford to pay people of the state, but they sure can afford to send out agents to confiscate harmless cars.

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Catapult12
Catapult 7:45PM (10/03/2009)

Harmless? These skylines are clearly the #1 cause of global warming, the economic meltdown and the death of polar bears. Kaizo must be stopped!

/sarcasm

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Clavius13
Clavius 7:52PM (10/03/2009)

For the love of god think of the POLAR BEARS!!!!!!! lol

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click_playaz14
click_playaz 8:11PM (10/03/2009)

OH I see, so Polar bears are Godzilla's food.

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click_playaz15
click_playaz 8:11PM (10/03/2009)

I mean prey*

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Visnick16
Visnick 11:04PM (10/03/2009)

+1

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Azrael4h17
Azrael4h 8:17PM (10/03/2009)

The problem is that Nissan, nor this fellow running this operation, paid Uncle Sam the requisite massive extortion fees to "legalize" these cars. That's big bucks there. Millions.

You know, that body style is still very attractive... Nissan should just bring it to the US on a G37/Z370 chassis. Make sure it passes crash testing (easy, since it would be using existing, legal cars' guts) and emissions (also easy, for the same reason), and we have a Skyline in the US. I'd bet it'd sell well to non-enthusiasts who recognize it from the Gay and the Transvestite movie that came out earlier this year.

Of course, I have no idea on the costs to do so, but they don't need any styling work done, and 90% of the engineering can be parts-binned out of the G37/Z370 box. So no more than a minimal investment. Offer it in sedan as well as coupe form, and as a Nissan, so it doesn't compete with the Z and so it has more mainstream appeal. Gotta keep prices low though, or it'll compete vs the G37.

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mbslrm18
mbslrm 7:44PM (10/03/2009)

Can't the owners just have them detuned/modified to met the regulations?

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click_playaz19
click_playaz 7:47PM (10/03/2009)

Skyline GT-R and GT-R are Godzillas, then Lexus LF-A is a Kyubi.

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JDM Life20
JDM Life 7:50PM (10/03/2009)

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Im guessin Kyubi is stronger then Godzilla?


OMG HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[speedminded]

Also, anything 25 years and older IS legal to own. Under 25 years, legal to own, not drive on street. Sure you can get a title for one if you are tricky at the DMV, but it is NOT legal and if it's looked into close enough, it will be spotted. You used to be able to bring them over with the Military. I once almost bought a Soarer that was brought in like that.

Sure it's legal for you to own one, but NOT legal for you to drive it on the street. There used to be the Rally rule, I think it's still in effect. If you owned one, y ou could own it for one year, then it had to either be sold or go back out of the country.The issue is the R32 and R34 are both on the list of vehicles that CAN NOT be imported or made compliant. That means illegal to own or drive. The Porsche 959 was on that list for practically 20 years. Bill Gates' 959 was seized and sat in a US Customs warehouse for over 10 years before it was removed from that list. I believe Jerry Seinfeld had a hand in making it legal as well.

The Soarer could be legal, depending on the model, because a similiar model was available here. The last time I checked on bringing it or the Altezza over you needed to have a letter from the manufacturer stating it was exactly the same as the model here safetly wise and/or you would need to write an essay stating why you need this car here vs. it's US counterpart...then the governing bodies say yay or nay. There was no like model of the Skyline.

The one year temporary loop hole is how the rally cars are brought over. You can not be a US citizen, its brought it under the owners VISA, it's bonded, and CAN NOT be sold under any circumstance. It must leave the country within 12 months. That's what the bond insures.

[Vteckidd]

Sorry they knew what they were doing, well maybe the customers didnt but Daryl did. He lied, cheated and tried to bend the rules. He got caught.

The FBI guys doesnt discriminate. Illegal WEAPONS or FOOD is just as illegal as a Skyline. Doesnt matter than its a fucking car, its ILLEGALLY IMPORTED INTO THE COUNTRY, PERIOD.

THEN THEY ARE DRIVEN ON THE ROAD.

Facts are Kaizo LIED, these are NOT remanufactured UNIBODIES, they are R34 NISSAN cars that he doctored and acted like they were a KIT CAR. Then he sold them, and the customers put engines and transmissions in them then TITLED THEM AN DROVE THEM ON THE STREET.

Is it worth their time, prob not, is it extremely illegal, absolutely.

They are just doing their jobs, the Skyline owners know what a LEGAL and ILLEGAL car is and if they dont, they need to get a clue.

[Vteckidd]

Furthermore, i dont care what you think you know or what you read somewhere or whatever, but the FEDS will tell you whether its legal or not. Loophole or not, they DO NOT WANT RHD cars here.

If you buy a RHD SHELL and its LEGAL to own, then you better store it in a garage and never even think about driving it.

[TIGERJC]

Wow I thought this was the legit way, as ppl have been building kit cars for decades. Jeez it seems easier to import coke than it is a skyline

[speedminded]

Wow I thought this was the legit way, as ppl have been building kit cars for decades. Jeez it seems easier to import coke than it is a skylineOther than a Lotus Super 7 name a kit car that is a reproduction of a car that has ever been federally illegal in the US. Once the Super 7 hit 25 years old it was legal to import, until then it was brought in from England in pieces and re-assembled here, typically by pilots that had the means of getting them past, or over, customs. That is basically what Kaizo was doing with the skyline except it's still illegal no matter what.

Also, 9/10 kit cars use the chassis' of a car that is LEGAL in the US. You put Diablo or 355 bodywork on a Fiero you still have a legal Fiero. You put a Cobra or GT40 body on a mustang 5.0 you still have a mustang 5.0. Then you have the companies that build ground up reproductions, but still none of the cars they are reproducing are federally illegal. Other than the R33, the Skyline is.

[Type-R]

Then he sold them, and the customers put engines and transmissions in them then TITLED THEM AN DROVE THEM ON THE STREET.

What got Daryl in trouble is when customers asked for motors he provided them and also reinstalled motors in the cars he sold. That's the issue as well as the motors put back in the cars being RB's which violates the clean air act for the method of importing he was doing.




The Soarer could be legal, depending on the model, because a similiar model was available here. The last time I checked on bringing it or the Altezza over you needed to have a letter from the manufacturer stating it was exactly the same as the model here safetly wise and/or you would need to write an essay stating why you need this car here vs. it's US counterpart...then the governing bodies say yay or nay. There was no like model of the Skyline.



While there is no specific restriction on
importing a right-hand drive vehicle, these may not be imported under eligibility decisions based on
the existence of substantially similar U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicles. Our experience has shown
that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of
apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country. However, we will consider
the vehicles "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle
would perform the same as the U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicle in dynamic crash tests.




There was no like model of the Skyline.

Technically if you read the VCP17/32 Addendum A list you'll notice it notes on just about every FMVSS, "are identical to
those in similar US models i.e. the 300ZX, and 300ZX turbo."

[bdydrpdmazda]

I will own a skyline someday

[speedminded]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/newsletters/news027.html


In the course of its investigation of Motorex, NHTSA obtained from Nissan information that caused the agency to consider the need to partially rescind its prior decision that 1990 to 1999 Nissan GTS and GTR Skyline model vehicles are eligible for importation. On November 28, 2005, the agency published in the Federal Register a tentative decision to partially rescind import eligibility for certain model and model year Nissan Skyline vehicles. After considering comments received in response to the notice of tentative decision, on March 1, 2006, the agency published in the Federal Register a final decision to rescind import eligibility for the models and model years at issue. As a result of that decision, only R33 model Nissan Skyline vehicles manufactured between January 1996 and June 1998 remain eligible for importation. All other model and model year vehicles admissible under the prior decision are no longer eligible for importation. As a consequence, the agency rescinded vehicle eligibility number VCP-17, which covered vehicles admissible under the prior decision, and issued vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 to cover only those model and model year Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars that remain eligible for importation. The rescission will only bar the future importation of the model and model year Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars that are no longer eligible for importation, and will not affect the status of vehicles that have already been lawfully imported under vehicle eligibility number VCP-17.

[Type-R]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/newsletters/news027.html

For reference it's always good to watch the update center http://204.68.195.250/cars/rules/import/ where you will find (dates) by every document listing when it was updated.

http://204.68.195.250/cars/rules/import/elig060109.pdf Will display what is currently eligible to enter as of (May 2009). This list has changed a dozen times since 2006 when Motorex was cut off, though the Skyline information has not it's still good to keep up to date.

http://204.68.195.250/cars/rules/import/IMPORT%20ELIGIBILITY%20PETITION%20STATUS_05_29_200 9.doc This will show you what RI is petitioning and for what.

Lots of good information but the common issue is when people read what they want to read and only take in how they want it to read to them, not how it is printed in black and white.

[bdydrpdmazda]

so r33s are no big deal to own here in the states?

[Type-R]

No, they've been legal to bring in for several years now. But there's more to that then what's mentioned..... there's no OBDII.

[Vteckidd]

you can quote FED REGs all you want it still comes down to a simple facts:

1) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY DRIVE A SKYLINE ON US SOIL *unless its a motorex car which was grandfathered in*
2) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY TITLE A SKYLINE IN THE UNITED STATES *unless it has a motorex title that was grandfathered in*
3) ANY PERSON IMPORTING A SKYLINE IN THE USA IS DOING SO TO DRIVE THE CAR, WHICH AS IVE STATED IS ILLEGAL

there is no way around it. your "skyline owners meet" all of them that arent motorex cars are ILLEGAL. If they are being driven on the street i would say 99% of them are FED ILLEGAL

[Vteckidd]

No, they've been legal to bring in for several years now. But there's more to that then what's mentioned..... there's no OBDII.

yeah all 1996 R33s are "legal" to import, but they dont possess OBD2 capability so they will NEVER be made legal in the eyes of the FED.

They knew what they were doing

[Type-R]

yeah all 1996 R33s are "legal" to import, but they dont possess OBD2 capability so they will NEVER be made legal in the eyes of the FED.

They knew what they were doing

NHTSA doesn't have a hand in the OBDII world, that is the EPA's cup of tea. RB's will pass emissions with alittle bit of care, the issue isn't that it's not possible to do OBDII on a R33, it's that no one has a system up and running for the compliance process.

Now if a RI has access to a system and can get a ICI to install it then all is well, but again, it's not that it can't be done it's that no one has one yet. However, JK Tech claims they are able to do this and I'm sure if that is accurate that they obtained the rights and privacy to the designs so no other RI could use it, just as they did with the air bag system that's required for the complaince process as per the Addendum A.

[Vteckidd]

NHTSA doesn't have a hand in the OBDII world, that is the EPA's cup of tea. RB's will pass emissions with alittle bit of care, the issue isn't that it's not possible to do OBDII on a R33, it's that no one has a system up and running for the compliance process.

Now if a RI has access to a system and can get a ICI to install it then all is well, but again, it's not that it can't be done it's that no one has one yet. However, JK Tech claims they are able to do this and I'm sure if that is accurate that they obtained the rights and privacy to the designs so no other RI could use it, just as they did with the air bag system that's required for the complaince process as per the Addendum A.
so youre talking about a backward engineered OBD2 electronics system that will pass EPA standards?

awesome im sure its a $200,000 skyline now

[Type-R]

your "skyline owners meet" all of them that arent motorex cars are ILLEGAL. If they are being driven on the street i would say 99% of them are FED ILLEGAL

I never once vouched for someone else's car, I know many Motorex owners accross the country attending the meets. Pointing the "illegal" finger at Skylines is silly when JDM tyte motor swaps are just as illegal as a grey market car (Euro, Jap, whatever) driving around.

[Type-R]

so youre talking about a backward engineered OBD2 electronics system that will pass EPA standards?

awesome im sure its a $200,000 skyline now

I'm not a systems engineer so I cannot number crunch for you but I do have a proposed OBDII system document and I can tell you that the numbers are more in the #### digit range.

[Vteckidd]

I'm not a systems engineer so I cannot number crunch for you but I do have a proposed OBDII system document and I can tell you that the numbers are more in the #### digit range.

Then whoever owns it, and can implement it is selling it too cheap.

If i possessed the only tech that would make a LEGAL R33 in the country, there is almost no price tag for that.

The motors ARE LEGAL though thats the point. All EPA says is SAME YEAR OR NEWER. Now in CALI its much more strict. But until that spreads across the nation, it is what it is.

just like skylines, state titled ones in NC, FL, SC, GA whatever, dont get a second look from the local authorities, but if the FEDs find you your in trouble.

Ive owned SIlvias, i knew perfectly well than they were ILLEGAL an drove them anyway. But if for some reason the FEDs pulled me over i was prepared to lose the car on the off chance that happened.

FEDs arent looking for illegal motors right now, they are looking for skylines. That may change soon enough though

[Type-R]

Then whoever owns it, and can implement it is selling it too cheap.

If i possessed the only tech that would make a LEGAL R33 in the country, there is almost no price tag for that.


I wouldn't because to expensive means no one will buy it. Since the Addendum A was released any RI/ICI could team up and develope a working OBDII system if they wanted to. It'd be stupid for a company to develope one and try to corner the market when Joe Smuckatelly down the street can make his own "cost effective" version that would knock the competition out of business.

Motorex went wrong with many things, one of them was overcharging for compliance work. Taking a $10,000 car and turning it into a $70,000 car causing them to have very little sales and no profit to repay expenses already dished out.

[Vteckidd]

yeah but like you said, no one has done it. The amount of R&D involved to have a working OBD2 systems has to be in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

You have to have sensor feedback, and ECU that will talk to the OBD2 scanner, etc.

you are talking about totally engineering a computer system and packaging it into a car that 1) has an engine we never had here in the USA 2) never had OBD2 ports/scans to hook up to

Kaizo was selling their cars for upwards of $100,000 for an R34 right (figures i heard) because they were "legal". I could only imagine the person that had some sort of OBD system that was EPA compliant would charge whatever he wanted and people would pay.

[Glides]

I never once vouched for someone else's car, I know many Motorex owners accross the country attending the meets. Pointing the "illegal" finger at Skylines is silly when JDM tyte motor swaps are just as illegal as a grey market car (Euro, Jap, whatever) driving around.


Actually. You are incorrect to a certain point.

A Skyline as a whole, is illegal.

The entire car, not just the engine. You can walk down to the DMV and register swapped 240s all day long. Won't be able to do that with your Skyline. Sure you can fudge it, because yes....this is Georgia and get titles. The Southeast is the Wild West of automobiles. You will never get away with that in Cali. Used to be you called a Sheriff, had him come out, check the blinkers and lights and bam, you got a vin and then a title. Those days are coming to a close as the Feds are educating Jethro.

Now, if it's more than 25 years old, no problem. But your R32 or R34...nope, Evo 5...nope, Pulsar GTiR...nope.

Sad really, but thats the way it is.

[FAM0U5]

and that's how the cookie crumbles...

[Glides]

you can quote FED REGs all you want it still comes down to a simple facts:

1) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY DRIVE A SKYLINE ON US SOIL *unless its a motorex car which was grandfathered in*
2) YOU CANNOT LEGALLY TITLE A SKYLINE IN THE UNITED STATES *unless it has a motorex title that was grandfathered in*
3) ANY PERSON IMPORTING A SKYLINE IN THE USA IS DOING SO TO DRIVE THE CAR, WHICH AS IVE STATED IS ILLEGAL

there is no way around it. your "skyline owners meet" all of them that arent motorex cars are ILLEGAL. If they are being driven on the street i would say 99% of them are FED ILLEGAL


Kidd, you yell alot. Revmaynard needs to get in touch with you si his buddy can buy a Steering wheel. :goodjob:

[Ziptied]

Same things i've been saying for a while and even warned Daryl about, the govt just does NOT want them here and simply will always find a way to stop you. If you want a skyline, buy a g35/g37 or save your penny's for a new GTR.

[Type-R]

Actually. You are incorrect to a certain point.

A Skyline as a whole, is illegal.


A vehicle with no motor/tranny is not considered a motor vehicle and therefore is not to be treated as such when being declaired through Customs and is not subject to FMVSS. So no I'm not incorrect and a chassis is not illegal in any way at all. There is nothing illegal about having a chassis on a dolly claimed as "used automotive parts". That is not circumvention, it's facts.


A lot of what's being debated here in regards to legal/not legal with Kaizo and related matters needs to be reminded that no charges have been filed against Daryl or Kaizo in general, therefore these issues have yet to stand in court which the suspected case is to be regarding what the intended purpose of the vehicles was upon importation. Shipping used auto parts or a chassis for the sole purpose of using it as a coffee table is perfectly legal.

[HachiDori]

Wow that truely blows...

That silver one is epicly nice. Best of luck to all the people involved..

[Type-R]

It is and it's a absolute shame but we all hope that some light will be shed on the matter soon following the court case. A very good lawyer was obtained to defend the owners.

[bdydrpdmazda]

I would fucking cry and possibly do some crazy shit if a cop knocked on my door and told me he was their to take my R34 and I wasnt gonna get it or any money back.

[Glides]

A vehicle with no motor/tranny is not considered a motor vehicle and therefore is not to be treated as such when being declaired through Customs and is not subject to FMVSS. So no I'm not incorrect and a chassis is not illegal in any way at all. There is nothing illegal about having a chassis on a dolly claimed as "used automotive parts". That is not circumvention, it's facts.


A lot of what's being debated here in regards to legal/not legal with Kaizo and related matters needs to be reminded that no charges have been filed against Daryl or Kaizo in general, therefore these issues have yet to stand in court which the suspected case is to be regarding what the intended purpose of the vehicles was upon importation. Shipping used auto parts or a chassis for the sole purpose of using it as a coffee table is perfectly legal.


Here let me give you the final fact in this debate. If the government WANTS to take your Skyline. They WILL!. End of discussion, end of story. There will be absolutely NOTHING that you can do about it. You can quote this, quote that, say this, say that....be an armchair lawyer all the live long day, but if they want it. They will get it. Done.

[Glides]

Let me add a little edit here. I hope to god they never do decide to take a liking to your questionably legal automobile, I really do. I would hate to see someone stripped of their car. Skylines are not cheap. Nobody deserves that. I watched my brother piss away $60,000 dollars on lost imported automobiles. It's not a pretty sight.

In context though, it seems that everytime someone debates legality issues with a Skyline owner, they always quote this and that and 15 rules and sub sections to this code and whatnot to try and convince the other person that they are legal....and then their car gets snatched. I'll bet you doughnuts that every person whose car got snatched in Cali was saying the same things you are on message boards far and wide, assured that their car was safe. And look what happened there. If you are 100% sure about your vehicle.....go to the DMV and ask them. Call the EPA or ICE and make sure. If you still have it after those phone calls....you win the debate :)

[Type-R]

If you are 100% sure about your vehicle.....go to the DMV and ask them. Call the EPA or ICE and make sure. If you still have it after those phone calls....you win the debate :)

I have motorex papers, I don't have to worry about anything.

Furthermore, I have had ICE agents here inspect multiple vehicles of mine over the years at the port. I don't preach B.S. or talk nonsense, I speak from experience and facts. Whatever the your brother pulled and got in trouble over it is your business, obviously from the vehicles you mentioned was a instant flag because it sounded like they were complete cars... so no kidding they got snatched.

I don't need to call anyone or varify any information that I have because to put it simple, I know it's right because I do this for a living and have been for many years.

There's neat little things in this industry called lawyers who specialize in customs and importing matters. That's their job and they are good at it, petty B.S. that people post on here means titty to them. I'm not trying to win a debate, I'm trying to keep the misinformation to a minimum so the average Joe doesn't get steered in the wrong direction.

This isn't my first go around the block nor is it my first imported car, I have many and have had many. I've probably had the only driveway in my state with 5 Skylines at once parked in it.

[TIGERJC]

Other than a Lotus Super 7 name a kit car that is a reproduction of a car that has ever been federally illegal in the US. Once the Super 7 hit 25 years old it was legal to import, until then it was brought in from England in pieces and re-assembled here, typically by pilots that had the means of getting them past, or over, customs. That is basically what Kaizo was doing with the skyline except it's still illegal no matter what.

Also, 9/10 kit cars use the chassis' of a car that is LEGAL in the US. You put Diablo or 355 bodywork on a Fiero you still have a legal Fiero. You put a Cobra or GT40 body on a mustang 5.0 you still have a mustang 5.0. Then you have the companies that build ground up reproductions, but still none of the cars they are reproducing are federally illegal. Other than the R33, the Skyline is.

So would it be legal to do the kaizo method on a r33 skyline? So bring the chassis of the r33 fully stripped and then reassemble it in the us so it would be consider a kit car

[Ziptied]

simply, no.

Unless its motorex, its not legal.

[Tracy]

Customs made Dan throw out his mango once! They were not letting him bring that shit here from Jamaica.

[Type-R]

So would it be legal to do the kaizo method on a r33 skyline? So bring the chassis of the r33 fully stripped and then reassemble it in the us so it would be consider a kit car

If the original drivetrain wasn't used then yes. A fine example is the Kaizo R34 buggy with a VW engine (used in F&F) which was not seized by ICE agents during the raid. A reconstructed vehicle using a different motor/tranny not offered for that vehicle, again... that's what Kaizo offered but what landed Daryl in trouble was putting the same motors back in the cars and hooking up the customers.

[Glides]

If the original drivetrain wasn't used then yes. A fine example is the Kaizo R34 buggy with a VW engine (used in F&F) which was not seized by ICE agents during the raid. A reconstructed vehicle using a different motor/tranny not offered for that vehicle, again... that's what Kaizo offered but what landed Daryl in trouble was putting the same motors back in the cars and hooking up the customers.

Actually, i'm pretty sure you are wrong again.

You cannot have an R34. The R34 that was used in F&F is a studio pictures vehicle, not driven on roads, not raced, not nothing. That's why it was not seized. It is not, will never be registered. It is also so heavily modifed that it is basically a purpose built car, like the Batmobile. Much different than a fresh off the boat R34.

You cannot take an R34 and put a different engine combination in it and get it legalized. If that was the case, people would take R34's and put 2Jz's in them. A Kit Car is a Kit Car, it is not a production car with a different motor. You WILL have to get a Kit Car inspected before it is ever isued a VIN plate or registration.

No matter if you are given a plate, a title, a registration.....if the feds get you, ALL state stuff goes out the window. The Feds have final say over state and local regulations when it comes to things of this nature. As I said, if they want your car, they are going to get it.

Unless some movie star petitions the SKyline and gets the laws changed, your car is always going to be in danger.

[Ziptied]

Unless some movie star petitions the SKyline and gets the laws changed, your car is always going to be in danger.

Paul Walker is trying, seriously. Cause he has 2 R34's.

[Type-R]

Actually, i'm pretty sure you are wrong again.


No you are wrong, you are assuming ICE agents only seize titled vehicles here for street use. Please stop trying to correct people when you clearly have not even read a shred of black and white information.

I can bring in any vehicle in the world so long as it's no motor/tranny and is claimed as parts., again if you actually took the time to read the rules you'd notice in bold letters where it says NOT CONSIDERED MOTOR VEHICLE.

Stop trying to toss up a front because your brother pulled some illegal shit and got caught. Whatever backwoods shop you people are running doesn't impress anyone.

[Glides]

No you are wrong, you are assuming ICE agents only seize titled vehicles here for street use. Please stop trying to correct people when you clearly have not even read a shred of black and white information.

I can bring in any vehicle in the world so long as it's no motor/tranny and is claimed as parts., again if you actually took the time to read the rules you'd notice in bold letters where it says NOT CONSIDERED MOTOR VEHICLE.

Stop trying to toss up a front because your brother pulled some illegal shit and got caught. Whatever backwoods shop you people are running doesn't impress anyone.

First off, my brother owned Tophat Performance. Secondly, I don't toss up fronts, I tell what I know because i've SEEN it. Unlike you, i'm not so fucking stupid to believe all the shit that is printed in areas by the government that is changed time and time again. You think that was the first time they brought in cars? He's brought them in EVERY single way you described and knows ALL the ins and outs of the importing process. Maybe you need to actually IMPORT something in instead of dick humping on someone elses efforts and running your mouth like you know something. The only way they were seized is because the exporter shipped em open deck. Learn boy, before you speak.

Finally, like I said jackass. Call the EPA. Tell em you got a Skyline, see what they say. Call up ICE, tell em you have a Skyline, see what they say. Tell em that it's legal and they can't do shit about it. If you still have it after those phone calls, you won. If you don't, LOL at you.

You are just pissed that nobody in this thread believed you simply because you have a Skyline and think you are King Ding-a-ling. I got news for you, nobody cares that you have a Skyline. Right hand drive cars are a pain in the ass to drive daily, I had one. Mine was a Fairlady and it WAS legal. What you have is basically a waste of money. A car that is cool cause it's JDM and you are attempting to impress the people you most likely snub your nose at when you take your overpriced borderline illegal car to shows and think your shit doesn't stink.

Good luck with those phone calls. Until you make em an prove yourself right, go out in your garage and rub your penis on the side of your Skyline while you tell yourself how cool you are. You won't listen to anything anyone is saying anyway cause you KNOW everything. Typical.

[Ziptied]

First off, my brother owned Tophat Performance. Secondly, I don't toss up fronts, I tell what I know because i've SEEN it. Unlike you, i'm not so fucking stupid to believe all the shit that is printed in areas by the government that is changed time and time again. You think that was the first time they brought in cars? He's brought them in EVERY single way you described and knows ALL the ins and outs of the importing process. Maybe you need to actually IMPORT something in instead of dick humping on someone elses efforts and running your mouth like you know something. The only way they were seized is because the exporter shipped em open deck. Learn boy, before you speak.

Finally, like I said jackass. Call the EPA. Tell em you got a Skyline, see what they say. Call up ICE, tell em you have a Skyline, see what they say. Tell em that it's legal and they can't do shit about it. If you still have it after those phone calls, you won. If you don't, LOL at you.

You are just pissed that nobody in this thread believed you simply because you have a Skyline and think you are King Ding-a-ling. I got news for you, nobody cares that you have a Skyline. Right hand drive cars are a pain in the ass to drive daily, I had one. Mine was a Fairlady and it WAS legal. What you have is basically a waste of money. A car that is cool cause it's JDM and you are attempting to impress the people you most likely snub your nose at when you take your overpriced borderline illegal car to shows and think your shit doesn't stink.

Good luck with those phone calls. Until you make em an prove yourself right, go out in your garage and rub your penis on the side of your Skyline while you tell yourself how cool you are. You won't listen to anything anyone is saying anyway cause you KNOW everything. Typical.


/thread. Best thing i've read in a loooooooooooooong time. I know this process too and worked/talked with tophat about all of it and have done it myself. Bottom line, skylines are overhyped, overpriced turbocharged camry's, and are illegal as fuck in the US, unless you've got the motorex plates. These kids run their mouths and THINK they know what they are doing/talking about. I'd bet he didnt even import his OWN car.

[Type-R]

Learn boy, before you speak.


Obviously your backwoods operation knew the ins and outs by getting cars seized. I have nothing to prove to you and I will call the EPA all I want because you obviously missed the several times I noted having Motorex documents. Infact how about I call ICE to investigate the circumventing your bunch does.

Let me say it again,

MOTOREX


Need to read that again?


And I'd like to readdress the fact that I've been doing this for years and have never had issues unlike your backwoods shop, Top Gun or whatever it's called. Never heard of it and don't care. I've never seen said name on the RI/ICI list so that means it's clearly a non-factor circumventing gagglefuck.


Come to think of it, there isn't even a RI within the state of GA, therefore whoever claims to be bringing in cars is clearly doing something wrong unless they are trying to run a 2nd hand shop by being the 3rd party middle man and reselling other people's cars to make a profit off of them.

[Ziptied]

Obviously your backwoods operation knew the ins and outs by getting cars seized. I have nothing to prove to you and I will call the EPA all I want because you obviously missed the several times I noted having Motorex documents. Infact how about I call ICE to investigate the circumventing your bunch does.

Let me say it again,

MOTOREX


Need to read that again?


And I'd like to readdress the fact that I've been doing this for years and have never had issues unlike your backwoods shop, Top Gun or whatever it's called. Never heard of it and don't care. I've never seen said name on the RI/ICI list so that means it's clearly a non-factor circumventing gagglefuck.


MotoRex papers, and a MotoRex car are two totally different things..... If you never heard of Top Hat, you must be a n00b to the skyline game.

[leobond001]

i was also under the impression that you could send over bodies or shells of japanese cars and claim them as parts. doesnt have to be a skyline. any car. and get it shipped to a florida port, claim it as parts, and have a U.S counter car that you own that you can " swap" the parts to and just junk what ever is left.
the get the rest of the parts shipped from japan.

[Type-R]

MotoRex papers, and a MotoRex car are two totally different things..... If you never heard of Top Hat, you must be a n00b to the skyline game.

Yeah you caught me kid, I typed up my own bond paper and EPA documents. Sorry I never heard of Top Hat, I guess we didn't have that where I lived in Japan, oh that's right.... we didn't.

[Type-R]

i was also under the impression that you could send over bodies or shells of japanese cars and claim them as parts. doesnt have to be a skyline. any car. and get it shipped to a florida port, claim it as parts, and have a U.S counter car that you own that you can " swap" the parts to and just junk what ever is left.
the get the rest of the parts shipped from japan.

You can ship any car you want as parts, but that's just it, as parts. Any port works, doesn't have to be CA or FL, any place that has container shipments.

I don't advise VIN swapping as that carries feloney charges.


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You kids continue to waste your e-lives by trying to impress people with your inaccurate misinformation and lack of ability to read the rules and reference documents. The only fool is you. I'm done with this useless thread, facts are posted.

[leobond001]

You can ship any car you want as parts, but that's just it, as parts. Any port works, doesn't have to be CA or FL, any place that has container shipments.

I don't advise VIN swapping as that carries feloney charges.

yeah that was the only problem with that. i've been looking at the 3000gt or a mirage evo for years, bu ti'm not trying to get caught up.

oh and the accord sir for 97 is on the list

[Glides]

Yeah you caught me kid, I typed up my own bond paper and EPA documents. Sorry I never heard of Top Hat, I guess we didn't have that where I lived in Japan, oh that's right.... we didn't.

Maybe I can help you out on this. Give me your info and i'll call them for you. That way you don't have to make an effort on this. Then both you and I can be sure that you are legal and compliant and in no future danger of losing your car. :goodjob:

[Glides]

You can ship any car you want as parts, but that's just it, as parts. Any port works, doesn't have to be CA or FL, any place that has container shipments.

I don't advise VIN swapping as that carries feloney charges.


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You kids continue to waste your e-lives by trying to impress people with your inaccurate misinformation and lack of ability to read the rules and reference documents. The only fool is you. I'm done with this useless thread, facts are posted.

Yeap, then you have a very expensive coffee table that soon as you put a motor in...is illegal. So that brings us back to the whole reason of this thread. Tell me Genius Joe....why would you import in a car with no motor, that you knew was illegal soon as you put a motor in? Simply because it's legal? That's a hell of a business decision.

I honestly think that you just talk out of your ass half the time. Do you even read what you write?:screwy:

It might be better for you to leave this thread. Good call. Oh yea, go look at the letter posted on the other thread. Could be real, could not be real...but it's for an R33 and there are numbers on there that go to the corresponding people, you might start your phone calls there. :goodjob:

While you are at this, if you decide to not leave, like most people who say they are done with a thread do. Inform us where you got your car? The importer out of Florida, Sean whatever? Or Bergstrom from Canada? Or the fella out of Tennessee? I'd love to know. You see whiz kid, I know importers, if I don't know em, I know people who do. If you think i'm some dumb kid you are sadly mistaken. I've been in the scene a long time. I'll let you know what I find out.

[Type-R]

You see whiz kid, I know importers.

I'm sure you do, please do name one that's on the list right now that you know? Those backwoods people that are under the radar and sell grey market shit through container shipments are not importers. They get panda-express JUNK and sell it for markup prices.

[Ziptied]

lmao glides, this guy is a tool.

[Glides]

Here I will help you out so you can nutswing some more


UNDERCOVER VIN INFORMATIONS "PEW PEW"


Excellent. I'll check that vin number out for you. If all is good, you win. If it's not.....then they can meet you at your next Skyline meet. :)

I hope you are right. I'd hate for you to lose your bloated, RWD Turbo Camry.

[Ziptied]

I'd hate for you to lose your bloated, RWD Turbo Camry.

Fuck yes, when josh said that for the first time I laughed my ass off, but thats what they are unless they are GT-R's lmao!

[Type-R]

Excellent. I'll check that vin number out for you. If all is good, you win. If it's not.....then they can meet you at your next Skyline meet. :)

Do you need the phone number to call too?

Please don't waste my time by trying to come to any meets, e-thugs like yourself and Ziptied are not welcome and are already forever printed into the history of our e-thug loser hall of shame.

[Glides]

lmao glides, this guy is a tool.

Nah, he's just blinded. I can't really say he's a tool. He's probably a cool guy, he's just a bit confused. I hope he's right, if he found a way to make his car 100% legal, (which this whole arguement was about R34's and R32's) then he needs to open a business.

'Maybe Skyline related furniture. Import the bodies in and cut them up to make dining room suites and living room suites. How cool would that be?

[Type-R]

Fuck yes, when josh said that for the first time I laughed my ass off, but thats what they are unless they are GT-R's lmao!



I hope you are right. I'd hate for you to lose your bloated, RWD Turbo Camry.


RWD? Funny you clearly don't understand what BCNR33 means. Nor does Ziptied.

Guess I'm the Skyline noob?

[Glides]

Do you need the phone number to call too?

Please don't waste my time by trying to come to any meets, e-thugs like yourself and Ziptied are not welcome and are already forever printed into the history of our e-thug loser hall of shame.

No, i've got all that info. Don't you worry about me. But thanks for the offer of help. :goodjob:

Trust me. I won't come to your meets. I had my JDM cars, my JDM meets and my JDM friends....about 10 years ago. I grew out of the need to own overpriced (In America. In Japan, your 33 GTST is at best a 5 grand car), overweight right hand drive vehicles.

This was never meant to be an E-thug thing. You got pissypants because we didn't agree with you and you insulted me, my brothers "Back Woods" shop and tried to call me out. So you got a response. The only E-thug in here I see is you. I am only trying to help you amek sure you have nothing to fear.

[Type-R]

No, i've got all that info. Don't you worry about me. But thanks for the offer of help. :goodjob:

You do? Really? Why would you call a BCNR33 RWD then?

And BTW, the second set of numbers isn't the VIN. But I'd assume you knew that

[Ziptied]

I've seen YOU say your car was a GTS-T. which would be RWD. Now, if it is a BCNR33, congrats on the AWD Turbo camry.

[Ziptied]

And if you look at that gauge a little more often. 99% of the time, it is rwd. so stfu

[Ziptied]

Nah, he's just blinded. I can't really say he's a tool. He's probably a cool guy, he's just a bit confused. I hope he's right, if he found a way to make his car 100% legal, (which this whole arguement was about R34's and R32's) then he needs to open a business.

'Maybe Skyline related furniture. Import the bodies in and cut them up to make dining room suites and living room suites. How cool would that be?

Like the ac cobra couches? fuck yes. Im doin it with that 81 in the junkyard here.

[Glides]

RWD? Funny you clearly don't understand what BCNR33 means. Nor does Ziptied.

Guess I'm the Skyline noob?


Is this you?

Vandrel
Founder

1995 Nissan Skyline R33 GTS25T

GTS2.5T does not a GTR make smoofus.

Or am I mistaken on that too? Sure looke like you Mr Contracter man.

[Type-R]

I've seen YOU say your car was a GTS-T. which would be RWD. Now, if it is a BNR33, congrats on the AWD Turbo camry.

Yes and as I've mentioned several times in this thread and others, I have more then 1. Thanks for paying attention.

Also, it's BCNR33, not BNR33. BNR's are 32's and 34's.

[Ziptied]

oh my, I forgot a "C". If you owned a GT-R why would you have a shitty GTS-T as your profile. Wow kid, I knew you were full of it, but damn.

[Type-R]

oh my, I forgot a "C". If you owned a GT-R why would you have a shitty GTS-T as your profile. Wow kid, I knew you were full of it, but damn.

Because I don't pride myself in listing 1000 vehicles in my profile or signature. Probably why I still have a old FD Efini on my profile here. Maybe I should uprate my e-thug skillz so I can be like you

[Glides]

Ah well. Time will tell. I knew you couldn't resist the urge to post in this thread again. Shame on you, telling us you were leaving like that.

[bltzkrg]

awesome thread lol

[Ziptied]

Because I don't pride myself in listing 1000 vehicles in my profile or signature. Probably why I still have a old FD Efini on my profile here. Maybe I should uprate my e-thug skillz so I can be like you

Oh noes! more name drops! I'll call my sources tomorrow, im sure I can find out how you get your cars and who you get them from. 10-1, I already know.

[Glides]

Because I don't pride myself in listing 1000 vehicles in my profile or signature. Probably why I still have a old FD Efini on my profile here. Maybe I should uprate my e-thug skillz so I can be like you

He doesn't have any vehicles listed in his signature. So listing vehicles in ones signature now is also E-thugging? You have a wild imagination there and a bit of a skewed sense of E-thuggery. But....you own 2 Skylines, who can argue with that? :blah:

[Type-R]

im sure I can find out how you get your cars and who you get them from. 10-1, I already know.

Unless you speak Japanese I doubt you'll find out. I suppose you can wing it with Google Translate, that's what I used to do before I spoke it.

[Type-R]

you own 2 Skylines, who can argue with that? :blah:

I never said 2, I just said more then 1.

[Ziptied]

HAHAHA, dont need to when they speak english. Guess they dont like you much.

[Type-R]

That clearly went right over your head

[Ziptied]

Riiiiight. You keep proving your own ignorance. Glides and I as well as others in this thread have done this before. You may be able to BS everyone else, but not the ones who have ACTUALLY done it.

[Type-R]

but not the ones who have ACTUALLY done it.

Says the one talking to someone who "does" do it. But continue on

[Glides]

Says the one talking to someone who "does" do it. But continue on

Don't worry. It will all be ok. I noticed that you took your Vin number down.

Motorex papers eh? So in effect, you are argueing and getting all hurt in the rear end over nothing? Way to go. Though i'm sure all the Skylines in your area will benefit from your internet ramblings. The 34's and the 32's.

Let's see some photos of that car, I always wanted to see the EPA modifications on one. Point em out to us, it's a pretty interesting topic. You...do...have those, it being a Motorex car and all right? Both....of ...your Skylines do...have...that...right?

[Glides]

Maybe someone should look into "YOUR" little Skyline

Hostname: dynamic-216-186-216-72.knology.net
ISP: KNOLOGY Holdings
Organization: KNOLOGY Holdings
Proxy: None detected
Type: Cable/DSL
Country: United States
State/Region: SC
City: Charleston
Latitude: 32.7081
Longitude: -79.9438
Area Code: 843

Here, this is a prime example of E-thugging...in case you didn't know.

We asked you for your information, which you gladly provided...then took down. Good thing it was quoted or it might have been lost.

[Glides]

Aww he blocked me from viewing www.SkylineownersUSA.com. Now that was a low blow.

[Cool Cat Racing]

This is so full of win I'm loving it. I too have been in the skyline world for quite a few years, back long before Motorex got bad. I won't even get into what's legal and whats not because its all a mater of levels. None will be legal except those done by Motorex, simple as that. There are so many different forms of "legal" its sad, most will all be fine and never get caught, some will. In the end who cares. There is a big difference between "federally" as in legal for sale in every state and considered a legit car by the feds. Millions of brand new cars are sold in the states that are not Federally legal because of California BS. I personally don't care because the one I see every day was done by Motorex in 99 when they were truly legit, not one of the numerous bond release cars. Now Type-R carry on with your "I'm done" BS, its pretty funny, and I'm sure you'll be back. As for the EPA changes Glides, its a joke really.

[Type-R]

We asked you for your information, which you gladly provided...then took down. Good thing it was quoted or it might have been lost.

You had more then enough time to copy the info so what's the issue? You got it don't you? Do you want me to open up photoshop and create a signature with it for you?


Why do you need photos of the car? How about I come take photos of your car and your motor. Oh and FYI, about 75% of Motorex cars didn't get all the compliance work done before the end of the Motorex fiasco. There's a lot you seem to not know.


e-thuggin? heh, you have no idea. Thank you for checking out my profile by the way. I also have your info as well now :D

[Cool Cat Racing]

You had more then enough time to copy the info so what's the issue? You got it don't you? Do you want me to open up photoshop and create a signature with it for you?


Why do you need photos of the car? How about I come take photos of your car and your motor. Oh and FYI, about 75% of Motorex cars didn't get all the compliance work done before the end of the Motorex fiasco. There's a lot you seem to not know.


e-thuggin? heh, you have no idea. Thank you for checking out my profile by the way. I also have your info as well now :D

I knew you'd be back. Actually from my records 59 R33's were fully completed before the fiasco, 12 R34's, and several misc. R32's and others. That came straight from Sean since I was out there working with him on one of our GTR's at the time. When he flew back out here to help tune it he had alot more to say about all that. That was right about the time Motorex was going down. He was still fighting with them to get I believe 2 of Jack's, one of the brothers who owns RB Motoring, R33's back. I saw that car when it was finally released and it was pathetic.

[Ziptied]

o0oo0o0oo! He tried to get my info. Cute, but not near me dude. My city and area code sure, but long, and lat. way off.

[Type-R]

I knew you'd be back. Actually from my records 59 R33's were fully completed before the fiasco, 12 R34's, and several misc. R32's and others.

Saddly a lot of people think their cars were "completed" yet I've met dozens that had altered manufactured dates on the titles to get around OBDII, Nissan FAST tells no lies.

[Glides]

As for the EPA changes Glides, its a joke really.

Lol. Yea I know man. But he's so fun to get wound up. Plus he tried to make insults :D

At this point it's just all fun and games for me. I could care less if he's legal or not. ;)

[Ziptied]

He tried to block me from his site, but he must be stupid if he thinks it worked.

[Type-R]

o0oo0o0oo! He tried to get my info. Cute, but not near me dude. My city and area code sure, but long, and lat. way off.

No kidding, it's your IP's information, not your GPS location. It's the base block for backlisting.

[Type-R]

He tried to block me from his site, but he must be stupid if he thinks it worked.

Why would I block you? Everyone knows Proxy

Paranoid?

[Glides]

You had more then enough time to copy the info so what's the issue? You got it don't you? Do you want me to open up photoshop and create a signature with it for you?


Why do you need photos of the car? How about I come take photos of your car and your motor. Oh and FYI, about 75% of Motorex cars didn't get all the compliance work done before the end of the Motorex fiasco. There's a lot you seem to not know.


e-thuggin? heh, you have no idea. Thank you for checking out my profile by the way. I also have your info as well now :D

Ooooooh im trembling.

As for them all not getting the EPA required items, yes, I do know that. But thank you for telling me again. Since it was not completed, it is not compliant per the terms of the agreement that was reached with Motorex. If your car going to get snatched for it? Nah.

Don't worry, while you were done with the thread, but still posting, I make a Van Gogh reproduction painting of your Vin number, but did it in a Davinci style. Maybe one day it will be in a museum. One can dare to dream.

[Cool Cat Racing]

Saddly a lot of people think their cars were "completed" yet I've met dozens that had altered manufactured dates on the titles to get around OBDII, Nissan FAST tells no lies.

Actually nearly all of them had altered dates. They were only allowed to use 1995 cars but they brought in all R33's from 95-98 and titled them as 1995's. This was done intentionally so they wouldn't have to worry about OBDII compliance which would have seriously affected the price and complicated it much more. Ours is listed as a 95 but is a 96. If everything is stock there are lots of ways to tell each year apart, and FAST will too. Since there was only one year for R33 GTR's before OBDII they had to do them all as 95's.

[Type-R]

it is not compliant per the terms of the agreement that was reached with Motorex.

Hardly, it was clearly put after the legal actions taken against Motorex that all remaining vehicles, completed or not were to be released to the owners and cleared.

[Ziptied]

LMAO, thats not even my provider dumbass.

[Type-R]

Actually nearly all of them had altered dates. They were only allowed to use 1995 cars but they brought in all R33's from 95-98 and titled them as 1995's. This was done intentionally so they wouldn't have to worry about OBDII compliance which would have seriously affected the price and complicated it much more. Ours is listed as a 95 but is a 96. If everything is stock there are lots of ways to tell each year apart, and FAST will too. Since there was only one year for R33 GTR's before OBDII they had to do them all as 95's.

That is my point, but I only met and know of a dozen or so personally. The sad thing is the owners had no clue until we ran it in FAST.

[Glides]

Why would I block you? Everyone knows Proxy

Paranoid?

I don't need proxy, I saw what I needed to see. No worries. Did you get your NC license? Were you able to register that car in NC? NC is hell on a man with a GA license ain't it? A leet importer like you should have just strapped on your supersuit and laid the mack down on Betty behind the counter. But maybe you were under the weather that day. :)

I respect you for serving in the Military though. You got my respect for that.

[Type-R]

I don't need proxy, I saw what I needed to see. No worries. Did you get your NC license? Were you able to register that car in NC? NC is hell on a man with a GA license ain't it? A leet importer like you should have just strapped on your supersuit and laid the mack down on Betty behind the counter. But maybe you were under the weather that day. :)

I respect you for serving in the Military though. You got my respect for that.

Yes I did get my NC license and no the cars not registered in NC, but I have 5 others that are.

[Cool Cat Racing]

Sadly most of the GTR owners in the states don't know shit about their cars or how it got here. The feds knew about Motorex doing this and looked the other way because the cars were otherwise identical. This is also how they convinced the feds to allow the R34's, they told them the safety changes between the chassis was minimal and the changes were an evolutionary cosmetic change. This floated for a little while but not enough people were paying the inflated price Motorex was charging for them.

[Glides]

Anyway, don't go away from this night mad. You are a fun guy. Remember, it's never personal until you insult someone. Then....it's personal. Night everyone.

[Glides]

Yes I did get my NC license and no the cars not registered in NC, but I have 5 others that are.

Yea, probably South Carolina. That seemed to be the flavor of the month when these things were getting titles on em. Anywho. Take care.

[Type-R]

not enough people were paying the inflated price Motorex was charging for them.

That's a understatement, more like a way over inflated price tag.

[Ziptied]

This thread amazes me with all the rampant stupidity. Night Glides

[DieselNuts]

This shit doesn't hurt my feelings in the slightest.

[Cool Cat Racing]

You don't think $100k is a worthwhile price to pay for a car that had no real performance gains over a Vspec R33? Personally I like the R34's the most but after driving all of them I'd just take an R32 VspecII and some mods.

[Ziptied]

Yea, probably South Carolina. That seemed to be the flavor of the month when these things were getting titles on em. Anywho. Take care.

Because here if its got 4 wheels and moves its ok with the state, they are stupid. Florida finally wised up though. SC will be the same way in about 6 months.

[Glides]

Oh yea, I unquoted your VIN number too. Heat of battle outbursts are never good things.

[Type-R]

You don't think $100k is a worthwhile price to pay for a car that had no real performance gains over a Vspec R33? Personally I like the R34's the most but after driving all of them I'd just take an R32 VspecII and some mods.

Nope, I was just fine and dandy going to the local papason dealer down from my house and picking up a R33 for $10k less then the 34. Though the 34's were a rarer site to see at the lots the 33's and 32's were much more affordable in the $10,000 range.

[Ziptied]

Yeah, Glides is right, good luck with your cars, It'd be nice to have them legally again without paying prices motorex owners want, but everyday new GTR prices drop. Until then, id rather have a supra anyways lol

[speedminded]

So would it be legal to do the kaizo method on a r33 skyline? So bring the chassis of the r33 fully stripped and then reassemble it in the us so it would be consider a kit car

simply, no.

Unless its motorex, its not legal.Why would you register it as a kit car when it's legal in the US? The crash data has been done, as long as the R33 was manufactured between January 1996 and June 1998 it is eligible to be imported 100% complete (engine and transmission intact) and with the required modifications it does conform to all US federal laws. Any of the following RI's can bring them in, make the required changes, and get a VIN issued to it.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/web_complete_RI_list062609.pdf

There's 50 RI in the US, none in Georgia, and only 23 of them are willing to import cars other than those from Canada. I have no clue how many of those 23 are willing to import a R33 Skyline though.

Other than the small amount of Motorex's that got through, any Skyline other than the R33 manufactured between 1/96 and 6/98 are federally illegal and can not be made to conform to US laws & standards.

[NevrNufTorq]

Yeah, Glides is right, good luck with your cars, It'd be nice to have them legally again without paying prices motorex owners want, but everyday new GTR prices drop. Until then, id rather have a supra anyways lol

i want both!!!! if i ever am fortunate enough to have one, i want a r33 gtr:cheers:

[Vteckidd]

Garage sixgun now that is old school

[NickW]

In the end who cares.

Good question. I would think not many people on IA, but it appers that there's a lot of people who care...and I just don't know why. It's just not that serious...I mean if you don't own one, why worry so much about it? :thinking: It's the same people over and over arguing how those stupid skylines are illegal, lame, stupid, etc. :blah:


It is just a car, where does all the animosity come from? lol

[Glides]

Actually, it was a discussion on the ins and outs of the legality of Skylines. It was simply a discussion until some insults were thrown and then it became what it was. It got heated, and then it calmed back down. Same as nearly every thread on every forum in every part of the world does.

Nobody hates your cars. Well at least not here, maybe at the EPA.

[NickW]

I know, I read the entire thread. And it was mostly a discussion about the legality of skylines, but it's the comments and insults towards the owners/cars that I don't get. I don't mean this thread particularly, or even IA. There's constantly people who dog on them or go on and on and on about how they're illegal or whatever. I just don't get...like I said it's just a car and if you don't own one, then what's the big deal? I've owned plenty of cars and trust me, there are a lot of people who have animousity towards these cars.

I mean I don't like cavalier's, and I think they're one of the most pointless cars to "mod", but I don't ever talk about it (ok except now), or make threads/posts about it, lol.

I was just sayin' anyway. My feelings don't get hurt over this stuff...I really do lol about it.

[Glides]

True. People get their feelings hurt all the time over everything. Take this thread for example.

Government snatches Skylines.
Thread is made.
Type-R shows paperwork, which I am sure he didn't make up.
People, including myself, disagree.
Type-R gets frustrated, totally understandable....I would too.
Lashes out, makes some insults.
Things spiral and a little spat starts.
Everyone calms down and life goes on.

Now I put his name in there not as a slam but just as an explenation. I understand frustration, you know you are right, people don't listen. He knew he was right cause he had paperwork. I was about 99% sure I was right from real world experience dealing with the Government, working for the Government and watching them change rules to suit themselves.

But in the end, nobody got hurt, nobody died. :)

[NickW]

Agreed. :cheers:

[Ziptied]

But in the end, nobody got hurt, nobody died. :)


Until the govt makes the taxes on them your first born child lolz

[FoolsDrifFWD]

crush time

[IntegraXTR]

First off, my brother owned Tophat Performance. Secondly, I don't toss up fronts, I tell what I know because i've SEEN it. Unlike you, i'm not so fucking stupid to believe all the shit that is printed in areas by the government that is changed time and time again. You think that was the first time they brought in cars? He's brought them in EVERY single way you described and knows ALL the ins and outs of the importing process. Maybe you need to actually IMPORT something in instead of dick humping on someone elses efforts and running your mouth like you know something. The only way they were seized is because the exporter shipped em open deck. Learn boy, before you speak.

Finally, like I said jackass. Call the EPA. Tell em you got a Skyline, see what they say. Call up ICE, tell em you have a Skyline, see what they say. Tell em that it's legal and they can't do shit about it. If you still have it after those phone calls, you won. If you don't, LOL at you.

You are just pissed that nobody in this thread believed you simply because you have a Skyline and think you are King Ding-a-ling. I got news for you, nobody cares that you have a Skyline. Right hand drive cars are a pain in the ass to drive daily, I had one. Mine was a Fairlady and it WAS legal. What you have is basically a waste of money. A car that is cool cause it's JDM and you are attempting to impress the people you most likely snub your nose at when you take your overpriced borderline illegal car to shows and think your shit doesn't stink.

Good luck with those phone calls. Until you make em an prove yourself right, go out in your garage and rub your penis on the side of your Skyline while you tell yourself how cool you are. You won't listen to anything anyone is saying anyway cause you KNOW everything. Typical.

no taking sides but he did say on the previous page that he has motorex papers and his is a R33, so technically wouldn't that make his skyline FEDERALLY legal? just sayin'

edit: read the whole thread.... gotcha :goodjob:

So this is just about skylines right? other rhd cars can be fed legal correct? stupid question but how come no one can have a fed legal 02+ DC5 ITR or CTR? Or a s15 silvia for that matter, don't all of these cars have U.S. counterparts such as the 240sx?

[Ziptied]

no noob. none of them are on the list.

[Cool Cat Racing]

no taking sides but he did say on the previous page that he has motorex papers and his is a R33, so technically wouldn't that make his skyline FEDERALLY legal? just sayin'

edit: read the whole thread.... gotcha :goodjob:

So this is just about skylines right? other rhd cars can be fed legal correct? stupid question but how come no one can have a fed legal 02+ DC5 ITR or CTR? Or a s15 silvia for that matter, don't all of these cars have U.S. counterparts such as the 240sx?

Because no one has crash tested them or worried about doing the compliance work on them. The main thing is EPA compliance which can be a PITA. If any emmisions related parts are even moved the car has to be recertified even if the parts themselves are the same.

[Outphase]

I would just like to take the tim to say, remember that one time, that one guy found a Skyline in a used car lot for what, like $2000, and then he like raced a buncha people and stuff???? MAN THAT WAS COOL.



Oh yeah, I like waffles.










PS:
if you love skylines so much move to canada, problem solved.

[speedminded]

I would just like to take the tim to say, remember that one time, that one guy found a Skyline in a used car lot for what, like $2000, and then he like raced a buncha people and stuff???? MAN THAT WAS COOL.



Oh yeah, I like waffles.










PS:
if you love skylines so much move to canada, problem solved.15 year rule in Canada, 25 year rule in the US...I have family in Canada. hrmm.

[FoolsDrifFWD]

crush time

http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=monster%20bike&i=Pic---Monster-Motorbike-Cam.jpg&w=500&h=

[Cool Cat Racing]

^that is so fucking awesome. lol

[Big Baller]

On the top of my list of things I don't give a shit about....SKYLINES

Right below it....People getting their Skylines taken.

[OG-Skinny]

...in the end, only about .02% of members on this sight could ever afford a REAL DEAL, MOTOREX R33 GT-R.

Too bad the purple-nurple was a casualty of the road. :(

[Vteckidd]

NO RHD CAR IS FEDERALLY LEGAL, unless it is a motorex car or on the list that the feds have that allow imported cars.

NO CTR Is legal
NO ITR is legal
NO Silvia is legal
NO 180SX is legal
NOthing we car to drive is FED LEGAL

[Outphase]

what about my RHD 4 runner is it legal?

[OG-Skinny]

what about my RHD 4 runner is it legal?

Should be, considering Toyota sold an exact vehicle here under another name.

[Cool Cat Racing]

...in the end, only about .02% of members on this sight could ever afford a REAL DEAL, MOTOREX R33 GT-R.

Too bad the purple-nurple was a casualty of the road. :(

Actually the purple-nurple is making a comeback. If the owner will ever finish the paint you'll see it again.

[OG-Skinny]

Actually the purple-nurple is making a comeback. If the owner will ever finish the paint you'll see it again.

Been a while! That car was fun to drive back with the previous owner from NYC. Then, after the single conversion, HOLY CHIT was that car insane.

I can't wait to have some nice change to play with when i get older. (hopefully the stock market and some investments I've made pay off.)