Vteckidd vs OSUPatrick Vids

[Vteckidd]

Met up with Patrick on Friday afternoon to do some pulls against his vette.

Its a bolt on vette meaning stock motor, automatic. No cams etc.

We didnt run for money, just a friendly few pulls.

1st run was 60-???

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/th_IMG_1507.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/?action=view&current=IMG_1507.flv)

2nd Run was 40-???

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/th_IMG_1503.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/?action=view&current=IMG_1503.flv)

3rd run LOW SLOW roll me in front

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/th_IMG_1506.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/?action=view&current=IMG_1506.flv)


The first run was the best, we are about in the meat of each others powerband , id like to go from a little higher RPM but im satisfied with that.

Second run was me at 40 and he was just way too low in his gearing to even put up a fight. I put 2-3 cars off the jump and basically lifted halfway through 3rd. It wasnt an even match for him.

The last run, we tried to do a dig on the on ramp but someone was coming up so we had to get going i basically got in front of him and at about the 8 second mark, i punch it and he punches it shortly after.

Overall assessment is what i thought, we are about even till higher MPH anything past 90-100mph i dont have the topend HP to keep up and he walks away.

Enjoy. Props to Patrick for setting a run up and following through

[tdurr]

upload them to youtube. I hate photobucket videos.

[SmackedInATL]

Interesting, that CRX looks to be a high 13 second car.

[Vteckidd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WSkfA_wQWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRKsfiubmkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1B1HRLTvzs

Video Quality sucks on youtube.

And yes Smacked, its as fast as ive said it is, now all the other people can stop being scared

[stillaneon]

Interesting, that CRX looks to be a high 13 second car.


Yeah,

I'd like to get Mike on one of those 40 rolls. I enjoy the higher RPM range drops too.

Bet the result wouldn't be the same as the same as the 'vette

[On_Her_Face]

Would like to see the results with a stick! Good job though!

[Ziptied]

Both are slow :rofl:

[NewGen33]

Nice videos and good to see you both went through with it. :goodjob:

[HypnoToad]

is that a C5 or a C6?

i was thinking C5,but idk.

[Vteckidd]

C5.

Like i have always said, my car on a good day is a HIGH 13 second car. Hopefully this shuts all the "he downplays his car" talk bullshit.

And hopefully the guys saying "its a low 12 second car " will shut up as well.

[On_Her_Face]

is that a C5 or a C6?

i was thinking C5,but idk.

C5

[Catnip]

High 13 second ITR crx with "built head" = FAIL

The CRX sounds like it's not tuned good, sounds like it's cutting out and picking up...

[HypnoToad]

ok thanks,i was like damn....they really didnt change the interior,lol

nice runs,vette should be running faster than high 13s:ninja:

[Sir_Christopher]

Mike I'm down for a couple runs, were close in hp/tq I'll let you know when I get her broke in! H22 ef vs type-r crx. Should be fun

[SmackedInATL]

Bet the result wouldn't be the same as the same as the 'vette
Do wha? :thinking:

[On_Her_Face]

ok thanks,i was like damn....they really didnt change the interior,lol

nice runs,vette should be running faster than high 13s:ninja:

Doing runs with an automatic blows...

[SmackedInATL]

Mike I'm down for a couple runs, were close in hp/tq I'll let you know when I get her broke in! H22 ef vs type-r crx. Should be fun

Everyone's down for runs but no one follows through. :2cents:

[Vteckidd]

High 13 second ITR crx with "built head" = FAIL

The CRX sounds like it's not tuned good, sounds like it's cutting out and picking up...

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

you guys are nuts. The car is tuned fine, and i drive fine. On slicks it might run mid 13s. IT IS NOT SOME low 12 second car like everyone thinks.

[MachNU]

man that looked like a 10 sec car! knew you where downplaying it mike! :lmao:

[Sir_Christopher]

I'm deft down for some, it's not a problemto mee up cause he doesn't like that far from me, and I've personally seem his car and what he had, and I know him and I will close and we talked about it efore atainstresm ebb u went and picked up parts from him! I just wanna do it for fun!

[Vteckidd]

200whp 2200lbs. It's not gods chariot , it's prob one of the slowest cars I this forum

[Sir_Christopher]

Everyone knows that mike is sandbagging!! He really has a 10 secold car:rolleyes:

[MachNU]

200whp 2200lbs. It's not gods chariot , it's prob one of the slowest cars I this forum

bullshit you still havent told anyone about the plate system on there! :ninja:

[Catnip]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

you guys are nuts. The car is tuned fine, and i drive fine. On slicks it might run mid 13s. IT IS NOT SOME low 12 second car like everyone thinks.


HMMM.

13.50 with slicks
13.70 on street tires
JDM GSR (mods include: throttle body, intake manifold, tri-y header, 2.25" exhaust... UNTUNED) in a 2050pound hatchback. With me in it, 2200.

What's that Mike, 165whp maybe?

[Revmaynard]

Yea I think it should be running low 13's at least.

[Vteckidd]

HMMM.

13.50 with slicks
13.70 on street tires
JDM GSR (mods include: throttle body, intake manifold, tri-y header, 2.25" exhaust... UNTUNED) in a 2050pound hatchback. With me in it, 2200.

What's that Mike, 165whp maybe?

prob more like 175-185. I had stock GSRs with Tri-Y that made 186whp before. more than once.

And i GUARANTEE the car than ran 13.5s down by you runs 14.1-14.2 at commerce. We all know that

[Vteckidd]

I mean this is black and white. I think ive been doing this LONG enough that my opinion doesnt need to be questioned.

I know if my car is running right or not, and i know how it stacks up against other cars.

This was a low 14 second car vs a mid to high 13 second car

[Catnip]

prob more like 175-185. I had stock GSRs with Tri-Y that made 186whp before. more than once.

And i GUARANTEE the car than ran 13.5s down by you runs 14.1-14.2 at commerce. We all know that


Factory rating is 170hp at the crank, right?

Were those cars tuned?

[Catnip]

I mean this is black and white. I think ive been doing this LONG enough that my opinion doesnt need to be questioned.

I know if my car is running right or not, and i know how it stacks up against other cars.

This was a low 14 second car vs a mid to high 13 second car


I'm just saying watch the videos of you car and listen to it.


"BRAAAAA*bub*AAAAAAAAAA*bub*AAAAAA"

[MachNU]

Factory rating is 170hp at the crank, right?

Were those cars tuned?

I think I would trust mikes word when it comes to honda's! Hell he has been building them for what 8-9 years...when you where only 9-10 years old! :lmfao:

[Vteckidd]

Factory rating is 170hp at the crank, right?

Were those cars tuned?

some where some werent.

A stock GSR makes 155-160whp. A hytech header adds 10whp, your other mods prob netter your 5-10whp (tb, etc).

So you were prob around the 180whp range. Weight, i weigh at least 200 lbs more than you (my CRX does).

[Catnip]

I think I would trust mikes word when it comes to honda's! Hell he has been building them for what 8-9 years...when you where only 9-10 years old! :lmfao:

I ASKED him what it's rated at, fucktard.

My opinion of what that car should run is based on what I've seen them run and the power that car makes. Time slips on Honda-tech, here, IRL, etc.

[Lankhoss]

C5.

Like i have always said, my car on a good day is a HIGH 13 second car. Hopefully this shuts all the "he downplays his car" talk bullshit.

And hopefully the guys saying "its a low 12 second car " will shut up as well.

Actually, this video doesn't help your cause ha ha

Like I said, the slowest C5 trapped 109+mph and ran a mid 13 second quarter mile....that's bone stock. A stock C5 is only DR's away from running a 12.

On top of that, this is a slightly modified Corvette, which means A) You'd have to run a high 12 at best to beat this car at the track and B) You'd have to trap over 110mph to pull this car on the highway.

So no, this video isn't going to stop people from thinking your car goes 14.1@98mph. I don't care how many people watched you sandbag your car, you still downplay the shit out of it because you're a fucking ricer.

[Vteckidd]

Lankhoss this car ran 13.8s consistently all night at commerce. I know the kid I was with him

you just got setup :p

what are you gping to say next that he can't drive an auto vette at the track hahahaha

[SmackedInATL]

I'm deft down for some, it's not a problemto mee up cause he doesn't like that far from me, and I've personally seem his car and what he had, and I know him and I will close and we talked about it efore atainstresm ebb u went and picked up parts from him! I just wanna do it for fun!

Holy shit get off the iphone.

[blktyprgrl]

I'm just saying watch the videos of you car and listen to it.


"BRAAAAA*bub*AAAAAAAAAA*bub*AAAAAA"

first: its not exactly the best sound quality....... and the vid is taken from the vette, so... you're hearing BOTH cars, BOTH shifting at different times and wind noise. How exactly can you pick out the engine noise from the Honda?

second: i know the engine. it does not cut in and out. Trust me, I personally know this. It's MY old engine, it's run at RA, CMP, VIR, Roebling and Rockingham with no issues what-so-ever.

third: why are trying to argue with someone over how fast THEIR car is? Who gives a shit what your opinion is? Just because some random person on the internet post some numbers you think is right, doesnt mean every car should run that "special" number. And you cant even compare it to your own car, ever car is different and every car owner knows what their car can run. period. It doesnt matter what you think it SHOULD run. What the hell do you know anyway?

[MachNU]

I ASKED him what it's rated at, fucktard.

My opinion of what that car should run is based on what I've seen them run and the power that car makes. Time slips on Honda-tech, here, IRL, etc.

actually fucktard that post was towards your saying its not tuned right!

[Sir_Christopher]

Holy shit get off the iphone.

damn my phone just worked me haha

[Lankhoss]

Lankhoss this car ran 13.8s consistently all night at commerce. I know the kid I was with him

you just got setup :p

what are you gping to say next that he can't drive an auto vette at the track hahahaha

This is a horrible attempt at making an argument for your side.

You just ran a car that is very capable of running in the 12's, and is also very capable of easily trapping over 110mph.

Yet you still want everyone to believe your car is 14.1@98mph. Good God man, not everyone on this site is as fucking stupid as you are.

[JITB]

I'm deft down for some, it's not a problemto mee up cause he doesn't like that far from me, and I've personally seem his car and what he had, and I know him and I will close and we talked about it efore atainstresm ebb u went and picked up parts from him! I just wanna do it for fun!

dam

[HypnoToad]

This is a horrible attempt at making an argument for your side.

You just ran a car that is very capable of running in the 12's, and is also very capable of easily trapping over 110mph.

Yet you still want everyone to believe your car is 14.1@98mph. Good God man, not everyone on this site is as fucking stupid as you are.

the vette should be low 13 sec car(pending the mods)plus ur on the hwy where a vette should be at its best.

[Vteckidd]

This is a horrible attempt at making an argument for your side.

You just ran a car that is very capable of running in the 12's, and is also very capable of easily trapping over 110mph.

Yet you still want everyone to believe your car is 14.1@98mph. Good God man, not everyone on this site is as fucking stupid as you are.

Cool so everyone at commerce in your mind should run a second to 2 seconds faster

makes sense.

So now I sandbag my crx and thus vette that ran 13.8s all night was sandbagging too.

Makes total sense

[SmackedInATL]

I ASKED him what it's rated at, fucktard.

My opinion of what that car should run is based on what I've seen them run and the power that car makes. Time slips on Honda-tech, here, IRL, etc.

waka flaka flame

[Sir_Christopher]

Was kidding about Sandbagging haha



And now the revised version haha

I'm deff down for some, it's not a problem for me to meet up cause he doesn't live that far from me, and I've personally seem his car and what he had, I know him and we talked about it before at mainstream when I went and picked up parts from him! I just wanna do it for fun!

[MachNU]

waka flaka flame

:lmfao: wtf does that mean? :lmfao:

[SmackedInATL]

:lmfao: wtf does that mean? :lmfao:
He's a rapper.

[Catnip]

first: its not exactly the best sound quality....... and the vid is taken from the vette, so... you're hearing BOTH cars, BOTH shifting at different times and wind noise. How exactly can you pick out the engine noise from the Honda?

It's probably because a LS1 sounds different from a B18c5.


second: i know the engine. it does not cut in and out. Trust me, I personally know this. It's MY old engine, it's run at RA, CMP, VIR, Roebling and Rockingham with no issues what-so-ever.

He's done stuff that needs new tuning. It doesn't matter if it had 215 psi on each cylinder and 5% on a leak down test when you had it... I'm referring to a air:fuel problem, assfuck.


third: why are trying to argue with someone over how fast THEIR car is? Who gives a shit what your opinion is? Just because some random person on the internet post some numbers you think is right, doesnt mean every car should run that "special" number. And you cant even compare it to your own car, ever car is different and every car owner knows what their car can run. period. It doesnt matter what you think it SHOULD run. What the hell do you know anyway?

He's calling his 12 second car a 14 second car, I'm calling him out on it. LOL.

What do I know? I know what a C5 runs and I know what an ITR swapped CRX with a B16 transmission runs. I have a Camaro, but I've had other cars... don't be ignorant.

[b@d @pple]

mikes crx does NOT run 12,s..its fast but its not a 12 second car..id say on slicks on a good day with a lighter driver the car MIGHT run mid to low 13s..Which is still slow..lol..

[blktyprgrl]

It's probably because a LS1 sounds different from a B18c5.

Agreed, but overlapped on a cell phone camera, you can tell the difference?


He's done stuff that needs new tuning. It doesn't matter if it had 215 psi on each cylinder and 5% on a leak down test when you had it... I'm referring to a air:fuel problem, assfuck.

and, you honestly think that a person that's been doing this since before your balls dropped doesnt know that he would need re-tune after making mods?? just because you're too broke to tune your own POS doesnt mean he cant.
His graphs are posted all over the forums, read a little. you get all your precious knowledge about what his car should be from there, why not read the dyno graphs?
and, classy move calling a girl an assfuck... i refrained from calling you the douchebag that you are.


He's calling his 12 second car a 14 second car, I'm calling him out on it. LOL.
soooo... point is??


What do I know? I know what a C5 runs and I know what an ITR swapped CRX with a B16 transmission runs. I have a Camaro, but I've had other cars... don't be ignorant.

and is this from personal experience or you just believe everything you read in SuperStreet?

[Vteckidd]

Evan you're retarded if you think I wouldn't tune my car after I do major mods. My graph is all over th fucking Internet.

You guys claims are hysterical. All cars must be created the same.

I know what my car was running the night at commerce . I know what it's capable of. IMO it's mid 13s maybe low 13 on slicks.

Period

[Catnip]

Evan you're retarded if you think I wouldn't tune my car after I do major mods. My graph is all over th fucking Internet.

You guys claims are hysterical. All cars must be created the same.

I know what my car was running the night at commerce . I know what it's capable of. IMO it's mid 13s maybe low 13 on slicks.

Period


LOLOLOL. I NEVER once said your car wasn't re-tuned, but I did imply the re-tune isn't even close to perfect. Might not even be the actual tune. I don't think you're dumb, I know you know to re-tune a car after cams


blah blah blah

Men are talking, get back to the kitchen damnit.

[40th GT]

I know what my car was running the night at commerce . I know what it's capable of. IMO it's mid 13s maybe low 13 on slicks.

Period
And what was the DA that night? Probably at least 2500 because by the time it goes below that in Commerce, it's winter time.

Just sayin.

[THEONE]

C5.

Like i have always said, my car on a good day is a HIGH 13 second car. Hopefully this shuts all the "he downplays his car" talk bullshit.

And hopefully the guys saying "its a low 12 second car " will shut up as well.

i dont know about times on your car but i will say, it looks like your crx runs damn good .your crx is not slow looks like alot of fun,nice race too.

[SmackedInATL]

LOLOLOL. I NEVER once said your car wasn't re-tuned, but I did imply the re-tune isn't even close to perfect. Might not even be the actual tune. I don't think you're dumb, I know you know to re-tune a car after cams



Men are talking, get back to the kitchen damnit.

Men?!?!? Aren't you fucking 18 or 19 dude?

[Catnip]

Men?!?!? Aren't you fucking 18 or 19 dude?


Men, as in penis and nuts. By nuts, I mean the things of mine you won't get off of.

[Evil Goat]

Men, as in penis and nuts. By nuts, I mean the things of mine you won't get off of.

lol

[whatever210]

looks slow. its just the crx gear ratios that one this one

[BABY J]

After researching the vids... I'd say that Mike is shifting at 13,200 RPMs. He's been doing this (racing) for a while, so Scotty wouldn't lead him by more than 1 RPM so the shift-light is prob set to somewhere around 13,199.

Also - it appears that Mike has the fastest CRX on Earth... PERIOD. With a good driver and better tuner (Scotty hasn't tuned many cars, so is probably clueless on Acuras) is easily capable of running 11.90s on DRs... and 11.50s on slicks and trapping 146 mph in a headwind.

It also appears that Mike knows nothing, and his tuner needs more experience tuning lightly modded stock motors w/ some mild bumpsticks and a few aftermarket valves and springs... you know, since the car was "breaking up" yet still pulling a stock AUTOMATIC C5 from a roll... we KNOW those are 10 sec cars EASY.

SYNOPSIS: Mike is God - and wants the ENTIRE INTERNET to know that he can sandbag w/ the best of them... this is b/c he engages in SOOO many illegals a week that he must keep the performance of this super-built machine top secret. That's why this video was accidentally leaked on the internet by some1 other than himself (poor Mike) for EVERY1 to see how he purposely detuned the car to make the race close.

Patrick --- you're lucky the "real" tune wasn't loaded or you would have REALLY gotten drug. Now you know... "grown men shouldn't fuck with Kidd's".

/thread

[ueyedgr8tness]

vette's get my dick hard now thats all! thank you good bye..

[collins]

Cool so everyone at commerce in your mind should run a second to 2 seconds faster

makes sense.

So now I sandbag my crx and thus vette that ran 13.8s all night was sandbagging too.

Makes total sense hey mike, my car ran a 13.4 at reynolds. lets shut up the haters when i pull you about a car length. sound good?

[Catnip]

hey mike, my car ran a 13.4 at reynolds. lets shut up the haters when i pull you about a car length. sound good?


You should know that SDR runs 1-2 seconds faster than the actual time.


We have some slow cars :(

[Vteckidd]

Men are talking, get back to the kitchen damnit.

she knows more about cars/engines that either of us

just FYI

[Vteckidd]

hey mike, my car ran a 13.4 at reynolds. lets shut up the haters when i pull you about a car length. sound good?

sounds good PM me

[oleblue]

I'd say the crx looks like around a mid to high 13 second car like he say's it is, just from the video. Really hard to tell though cause the races were to short.

Good close runs anyway.....

[Josh...]

Good runs and vids.

[Vteckidd]

LOLOLOL. I NEVER once said your car wasn't re-tuned, but I did imply the re-tune isn't even close to perfect. Might not even be the actual tune. I don't think you're dumb, I know you know to re-tune a car after cams



Men are talking, get back to the kitchen damnit.

wow, i'm sorry you've never met a real girl that understood what you love, but its funny you're stupid about what your opinoins are just go back to fucking some ia ho's and let them ride out with dicks on their forehead, when you want to meet a real girl who loves to drive an knows more than you do and you're ok with it, call me.

[TheSnail]

Truthfully IMO both cars are faster than their best times, but they are claiming their cars for what they ran rather than "should run etc..". When I talked to Patrick about 2 weeks ago he said the best he did at the track was 13.8 @101. A while back I ran the sentra for the first time at commerce, first go at it I ripped the shift linkage mount in two, from running stock suspension/ stock 185/60/14 touring tires pulling a 17.07 with a 3.72 60' @ 98.86. With fucking up the sentra from the first pass and having 1st where 3rd used to be and losing 5th and reverse I lined up for the second run, launched at 1800rpm granny shifting it to a 14.09 with a 2.313 60' bouncing off the revlimiter in 3rd going through the line at 101.22. With a driver mod, I think it would have trapped atleast 102. Those times were 20whp ago. I know for you 3000lbs cars 20whp may not seem too noticeable, but for a 2000lb car its night and day. The sentra now while using the same suspension/tires I would guess could trap 105+ not to mention if it had suspention DR's/Slicks. Despite that fact Mike pulled about a car on me a few weeks back from a 40-100. Im not gonna mention what I think Mikes car should run. I see it as what we actually ran. Both Mike and I's best time was 14.1. Patrick ran a best trap of 101 matching my 101. Should they be faster, maybe. Is there proof that they are faster than stated? Nope

[Turbd4DE]

Good vids mike.. We need to run soon. LOL I was hoping to get some in the other night but damn Kennesaw Mt roads an that damn Ford Explorer.

[02SloWrx]

nice videos. Finally some racing going on.

[Catnip]

wow, i'm sorry you've never met a real girl that understood what you love, but its funny you're stupid about what your opinoins are just go back to fucking some ia ho's and let them ride out with dicks on their forehead, when you want to meet a real girl who loves to drive an knows more than you do and you're ok with it, call me.


:lmfao:


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[Echonova]

Since Mike knows the guy, obviously this was all staged to hide the fact he has 10sec car.


LOL, all I see is Mike wanting to run his car. But it seems if he wins, he's sandbagging, if he loses he's still sandbagging.

[BABY J]

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http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/MUSIC_MAESTRO/12-10.jpg

[blktyprgrl]

wow, i'm sorry you've never met a real girl that understood what you love, but its funny you're stupid about what your opinoins are just go back to fucking some ia ho's and let them ride out with dicks on their forehead, when you want to meet a real girl who loves to drive an knows more than you do and you're ok with it, call me.



ps this was witten by blktyprgrl

[ejohnson88]

the call me part almost looked like you were wanting a date o.O

[Vteckidd]

im ready to run anyone anywhere

Collins PM me, friendly run, me an you anytime anywhere

[Black R]

This thread is so funny

mike your heavy pig of a crx should run my pos ef which ran a 14 flat some years ago at commerce

on a cold day you *should* be in the 12's or just powershift it like Tom on some slicks

I think my hatch is in the 13's now but a 13.1 is a long way off from a 13.9 lol

[02SloWrx]

Since Mike knows the guy, obviously this was all staged to hide the fact he has 10sec car.


LOL, all I see is Mike wanting to run his car. But it seems if he wins, he's sandbagging, if he loses he's still sandbagging.

never thought of it that way. :thinking:

[blktyprgrl]

:lmfao:


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catnip, i will run you and i will beat you...does that make your dick shrivel up

[UpSideDownDesi]

Since Mike knows the guy, obviously this was all staged to hide the fact he has 10sec car.

Beat me to it dammit. Not a 10 sec car tho, it's way faster lol.

Didn't this callout started like, some random guy from TX got the impression of Vteckidd being a douche and blabering about his CRX at TFS then called him out? Both acting like strangers.

Now Mike comes around saying he knows the guy, and saw him run up & down Commerece :thinking:? I LOLEd because it was the post where he told Brad (Lankoss), "you set yourself up" haha. I am just saying what i read :cheers:.

I thought $1000 runs would have been more action packed and down nasty, but anyway nice vids :goodjob:.

[Catnip]

im ready to run anyone anywhere

Collins PM me, friendly run, me an you anytime anywhere

Friendly run at SDR when you finally get out there... not asking for a special trip just for me. I'll be on street tires, I don't care what you run on. I've lost to just intake LS1 cars, so you shouldn't have a problem.


catnip, i will run you and i will beat you...does that make your dick shrivel up

lol. You'll beat my geared stock camaro? How will you ever accomplish this impossible mission, this is unfathomable.


Beat me to it dammit. Not a 10 sec car tho, it's way faster lol.

Didn't this callout started like, some random guy from TX got the impression of Vteckidd being a douche and blabering about his CRX at TFS then called him out? Both acting like strangers.

Now Mike comes around saying he knows the guy, and saw him run up & down Commerece :thinking:? I am just saying what i read :cheers:.

Nice vids.

lmao :goodjob:

[TheSnail]

^^^ Didnt your Mayor just shoot himself in the head?

[TheSnail]

Either way, with my childish jokes put aside, Warner Robins is a hell of a drive. Thing is my parents just bought a beach house in Florida so going to the house I went through Warner Robins. As it is now, you have very respectable time for what you got in your camaro. What Im getting at, is when I go to the beach house next, I’ll pm you, and we will link up while Im nearby. Hopefully by then you will still be low 13’s rather than the 12’s you are aiming for.

[Dirty.Bird]

waka flaka flame

What do you know about walka.....lol

[Catnip]

Either way, with my childish jokes put aside, Warner Robins is a hell of a drive. Thing is my parents just bought a beach house in Florida so going to the house I went through Warner Robins. As it is now, you have very respectable time for what you got in your camaro. What Im getting at, is when I go to the beach house next, I’ll pm you, and we will link up while Im nearby. Hopefully by then you will still be low 13’s rather than the 12’s you are aiming for.


As bad as this is, lol @ your joke.

My dad's friend actually went to pay rent for his exhaust shop to the mayor, and the mayor's wife came running out, screaming he just shot himself.

But I'm down. Unless my Prelude sells between now and then, nothing will be different on the Camaro. Just hope it's one of the "on" days for the camaro... lol

[TheSnail]

My dad's friend actually went to pay rent for his exhaust shop to the mayor, and the mayor's wife came running out, screaming he just shot himself.



Shit thats crazy!!! I guess thats why Im scared to get a ring for my gf of 10yrs lol. We will run next time I go to to Florida, but with you literally halfway, you might as well come along with me to Florida and go fall/winter fishing :goodjob:.

[collins]

im ready to run anyone anywhere

Collins PM me, friendly run, me an you anytime anywhere

sounds good to me. i'll pm you when i wake up.. i'm just getting back to the house and i'm about to pass the fuck out lol.

[Vteckidd]

Yeah we lied and embelished it was funny. I've known Patrick for years. We tbought about doctoring the video but in the end we just left it at a few simple runs.

Lankhoss and most other people on here think my car is some 12 second car I sandbag all the time. This exact vette ran 13.8 all night at commerce and I LOST. Vids speak for tjemselves

[HYBRIDLS]

this thread sucks, i was expecting some good vids.

[Formally...]

Damn it Mike quit downplaying your car. I am tired of all this shit about how slow your car is. I will post the dyno graphs soon that show the real power of the mighty ITR. Lets just say its 400+whp at 17,000rpm (since that is where he really shifts it) and 138ft/lbs tq (still a honda). O and tell them about all the carbon and titanium doors and floor pans so the car only weighs about 1100grams.


And as far as all the times in the 1/4mile compared to a street race from a roll. That is a stupid arguement. For example, Spoolin ran a 11.0 this weekend but trapped 141mph. A V8 rwd car may also run a 11.0 but at only 125mph. Now go do a 60 or 80 roll and will it be just as even as on the track.........

[SmackedInATL]

Damn it Mike quit downplaying your car. I am tired of all this shit about how slow your car is. I will post the dyno graphs soon that show the real power of the mighty ITR. Lets just say its 400+whp at 17,000rpm (since that is where he really shifts it) and 138ft/lbs tq (still a honda). O and tell them about all the carbon and titanium doors and floor pans so the car only weighs about 1100grams.


And as far as all the times in the 1/4mile compared to a street race from a roll. That is a stupid arguement. For example, Spoolin ran a 11.0 this weekend but trapped 141mph. A V8 rwd car may also run a 11.0 but at only 125mph. Now go do a 60 or 80 roll and will it be just as even as on the track.........

But when its all said and done no one gives two shits about roll racing!

[ls-r teg]

qft

But when its all said and done no one gives two shits about roll racing!

[ls-r teg]

damn he must have some serious head work. when i took my gsr to 10,000 i bent 4 valves:(


Damn it Mike quit downplaying your car. I am tired of all this shit about how slow your car is. I will post the dyno graphs soon that show the real power of the mighty ITR. Lets just say its 400+whp at 17,000rpm (since that is where he really shifts it) and 138ft/lbs tq (still a honda). O and tell them about all the carbon and titanium doors and floor pans so the car only weighs about 1100grams.


And as far as all the times in the 1/4mile compared to a street race from a roll. That is a stupid arguement. For example, Spoolin ran a 11.0 this weekend but trapped 141mph. A V8 rwd car may also run a 11.0 but at only 125mph. Now go do a 60 or 80 roll and will it be just as even as on the track.........

[EmminoDaGreat]

Damn mike, your car is a 12 second car mine must be like a low 11 since i put buses on you :)

[SPOOLIN]

yes roll racing FTL.

Mikes car is an easy 11 sec crx. Im just going to admit it cause im tired of reading this shit.

[SmackedInATL]

yes roll racing FTL.

Mikes car is an easy 11 sec crx. Im just going to admit it cause im tired of reading this shit.

Well damn! Put it out there why don't you lol

[QKJUICEDPONY]

But when its all said and done no one gives two shits about roll racing!


The student is trying to become the teacher I see




:cheers:

[5spdfrk]

Like i have always said, my car on a good day is a HIGH 13 second car.


On slicks it might run mid 13s.


I know what my car was running the night at commerce . I know what it's capable of. IMO it's mid 13s maybe low 13 on slicks.

:thinking:

[Vteckidd]

:thinking:

Yeah i need to clarify.

On my DRAG RADIALS which are 205/50/15s, the car is a HIGH 13 second car IMO.

Now on slicks, i will concede that its prob a mid 13 to low 13 car.

Sorry about the confusion, i was saying my car in street trim is a high 13 second car, plain and simple. I dont know where all these guys are getting the LOW 12s shit from

[SPOOLIN]

Yeah i need to clarify.

On my DRAG RADIALS which are 205/50/15s, the car is a HIGH 13 second car IMO.

Now on slicks, i will concede that its prob a mid 13 to low 13 car.

Sorry about the confusion, i was saying my car in street trim is a high 13 second car, plain and simple. I dont know where all these guys are getting the LOW 12s shit from

Mike you need to come to jersey this weekend, see some 10 sec all motor hatches. I think Madrid is going be there with a west coast eg monster.

[Vteckidd]

i might except i have to go to California to pick up the new Honda Fit :P

[BABY J]

i might except i have to go to California to pick up the new Honda Fit :P

Why you downplaying shit??? Cali? Cali MY ASS!!!! That's where normal people go.

You know DAMN WELL you are going directly to Japan to get this Fit. Hasn't this thread taught you anything you lying sandbagging sack of shit?


& LOL @ "1100 grams" Charles - LOL

[5spdfrk]

Yeah i need to clarify.

On my DRAG RADIALS which are 205/50/15s, the car is a HIGH 13 second car IMO.

Now on slicks, i will concede that its prob a mid 13 to low 13 car.

Sorry about the confusion, i was saying my car in street trim is a high 13 second car, plain and simple. I dont know where all these guys are getting the LOW 12s shit from
Thanks for the clarification!

[Catnip]

lol. Who said low 12's? I was saying 12's, but by 12's, I was meaning 12.8-12.9, with some good driving and slicks.

[SPOOLIN]

wtf ever.

[Vteckidd]

lol. Who said low 12's? I was saying 12's, but by 12's, I was meaning 12.8-12.9, with some good driving and slicks.

seems you got my friend fired up last night lol.


Heres what i think, and this is my last post on the matter

1) What SHOULD a car run vs what a Car actually runs is a very huge misconception. Too many variables. I always say what my car has RUN, not what it SHOULD run. To date its run 14.1@98mph (i think on one run i trapped 99 but had a slower ET). My old 190whp CRX trapped 103mph and ran 13.8. Weird.

2) I really dont know what it SHOULD run, because ive never really pushed it to the limits. When it ran 14.1 i didnt have the cams,valvetrain, etc. Now i only gained 5-6whp, but i also gained a lot more RPM. So in theory it should be faster but ive never gone back to the track to find out.

3) I BELIEVE that Commerce is a good .5 second SLOWER than ANY OTHER TRACK IN GA. Guys that are posting these fast times generally arent running at commerce. So either Commerce is SLOW or the other tracks are FAST (ie not accurate). I tend to believe that Commerce is just slow. So my 14.1 at Commerce, is prob a 13.5-13.6 at Steele, Reynolds, SDR, whatever. But thats bench racing and i dont like doing that. I can only form this opinion based on other cars with similar power racing at different tracks.

4) My old 240whp CRX SHOULD have run 11.7-11.9 all day, but i never tracked it. That car was MUCH faster than the car i own now. Not even close to the same power. I believe in all reality if i give the car to a great driver with 22in slicks and a perfect track that isnt commerce, its a LOW 13 car at best. Im talking 13.2-13.3.

I just dont see the 12s in it at all, i know how fast a 12 second car is, i would have RAPED that C5 vette. I would have RAPED Chunky and Voya, im not, im hanging with cars that make similar power. Cars that run in the 14s.

The vette consistently runs 13.8s. I think he ran 20 times that night an it was 13.8-13.9. You telling me he puts Drag Radials on and it runs high 12s? gimme a break. Its an Auto vette with exhaust, how is that possible?

FYI My 60Fts were 2.2. SHITTY i know, but no one was hooking that night.

[HYBRIDLS]

this thread is still a failure, why dont you goto the track put some slicks on it and drive it like you wanna break something and see what it will do.

[Lankhoss]

lol. Who said low 12's? I was saying 12's, but by 12's, I was meaning 12.8-12.9, with some good driving and slicks.

Exactly. But this dumb shit just makes crap up and posts whatever. Just like earlier when he kept crying about having to run to 160mph against Desi, when he was never asked to go above 140.

As far as Commerce goes, it depends on what time and day you go. I've gotten my best pass of my life at Commerce. I did a [email protected] at Commerce, and I've never gotten below a 11.6x at SDR.

Of course, one night at Commerce it got so slick I ran a [email protected] that sorta thing has never happened at SDR.


Now, Vteckidd....you just admitted your 14.1 was before you did the new valve train. I understand how you don't want to just throw numbers out as a guess as to what it "should" run, and that's cool and all. I actually don't have a problem with you not wanting to do that.....but you sit here and claim that you only have a 14 second car. So after making a change to your car that added horsepower as well as more revving for the motor, you don't think you'd be AT LEAST a tenth of a second or more?? You don't want to speculate that after modding your car it's any faster, but you WILL speculate that it's exactly as fast as it was before the mods??

[Vteckidd]

Exactly. But this dumb shit just makes crap up and posts whatever. Just like earlier when he kept crying about having to run to 160mph against Desi, when he was never asked to go above 140.

As far as Commerce goes, it depends on what time and day you go. I've gotten my best pass of my life at Commerce. I did a [email protected] at Commerce, and I've never gotten below a 11.6x at SDR.

Of course, one night at Commerce it got so slick I ran a [email protected] that sorta thing has never happened at SDR.


Now, Vteckidd....you just admitted your 14.1 was before you did the new valve train. I understand how you don't want to just throw numbers out as a guess as to what it "should" run, and that's cool and all. I actually don't have a problem with you not wanting to do that.....but you sit here and claim that you only have a 14 second car. So after making a change to your car that added horsepower as well as more revving for the motor, you don't think you'd be AT LEAST a tenth of a second or more?? You don't want to speculate that after modding your car it's any faster, but you WILL speculate that it's exactly as fast as it was before the mods??

In case you missed it


I really dont know what it SHOULD run, because ive never really pushed it to the limits. When it ran 14.1 i didnt have the cams,valvetrain, etc. Now i only gained 5-6whp, but i also gained a lot more RPM. tSo in theory it should be faster but ive never gone back to the track to find out.

Yes i will concede its faster now, but i will have to go to the track to find out. Case in point, emminodagreat ran 14.1 with 260whp, he makes 310whp now an couldnt run faster than 14.3 at ISD.

More power doesnt =faster, and i only made 6whp more than before. i went from 196whp to 202whp. Every other part of the graph was pretty much identical in power. Instead of revving to 8200 i can rev to 9000 if i wish thats all the valvetrain did for me. Its yet to be see if i would be faster with more rpms because i dont know if im faster by staying in gear and not shifting, or if i would benefit from shifting like i was before.

Im running collins tomorrow night, that will put the issue to rest IMO. He makes 400whp IIRC or upper 300s. He should put the hurt on me. He should be a good 3-5 cars ahead of me IMO. Guess we will find out

[SmackedInATL]

Moving to off-topic because thats what this thread has become.

[SmackedInATL]

Heres what i think, and this is my last post on the matter


Don't say that because you know it ain't true!

[UpSideDownDesi]

Don't say that because you know it ain't true!

reps :lmfao:

[HYBRIDLS]

Just quit running this 300hp or that 400 hp car that runs whatever in the 1/4. if he beats you by 3 or 4 cars that dont mean shit...what means something is taking the damn car to the track and see what times it will run.

[The Creeper]

If your car is only in the 13's, I would think the c5 would do a little better. I am not too far from kennesaw, maybe we can do some friendly runs with my c5..:cheers:

[btstone]

If your car is only in the 13's, I would think the c5 would do a little better. I am not too far from kennesaw, maybe we can do some friendly runs with my c5..:cheers:

whats up dude, havent seen you post in a while

[BABY J]

I'm still trying to figure out why any1 even GIVES a shit. Mike has never been a track whore - now people think that he OWES them a track night beating his STOCK BLOCK to snot. I got no dog in this fight - but rather than GIVE A FUCK (like a lot of you seem to do) I am actually setting up a run with him - THAT is the only thing that matters to me.

[SPOOLIN]

Commerce is only slower on friday nights when the staff could care less.

[Catnip]

seems you got my friend fired up last night lol.


Heres what i think, and this is my last post on the matter

1) What SHOULD a car run vs what a Car actually runs is a very huge misconception. Too many variables. I always say what my car has RUN, not what it SHOULD run. To date its run 14.1@98mph (i think on one run i trapped 99 but had a slower ET). My old 190whp CRX trapped 103mph and ran 13.8. Weird.

I don't have a problem with that.

But 200whp, B16 tranny, 2200 pound car IS a 12 second car with a good driver, slicks, and prepped track.


2) I really dont know what it SHOULD run, because ive never really pushed it to the limits. When it ran 14.1 i didnt have the cams,valvetrain, etc. Now i only gained 5-6whp, but i also gained a lot more RPM. So in theory it should be faster but ive never gone back to the track to find out.

Like I've been saying, come out to SDR one night and run it. I think it'll impress you if you'll get some slicks and drive the shit out of it.



4) My old 240whp CRX SHOULD have run 11.7-11.9 all day, but i never tracked it. That car was MUCH faster than the car i own now. Not even close to the same power. I believe in all reality if i give the car to a great driver with 22in slicks and a perfect track that isnt commerce, its a LOW 13 car at best. Im talking 13.2-13.3.

I just dont see the 12s in it at all, i know how fast a 12 second car is, i would have RAPED that C5 vette. I would have RAPED Chunky and Voya, im not, im hanging with cars that make similar power. Cars that run in the 14s.

The vette consistently runs 13.8s. I think he ran 20 times that night an it was 13.8-13.9. You telling me he puts Drag Radials on and it runs high 12s? gimme a break. Its an Auto vette with exhaust, how is that possible?

FYI My 60Fts were 2.2. SHITTY i know, but no one was hooking that night.

Your car with slicks WILL launch HARD. It's light, great gearing, strong motor. You keep telling me how bad everyones cars were spinning, but you keep saying cars are slow at commerce. No wonder. A honda spinning/bogging and a honda launching hard are two different animals... running a high 12 NA honda from a ROLL is like running a 13 second anything else. 1.8 60' and 2.2 60' can be around .8th of a second difference in 1/4 time ;) Add in spinning 2nd and 3rd gear, and you have your 12.

Power : weight


My friends STOCK LS1 auto camaro CONVERTIBLE, so it was heavy, ran a 13.4. Corvette is lighter than just a regular camaro, then you add in it was a convertible camaro and the corvette had exhaust. With traction that's possibly a high 12.

[EmminoDaGreat]

True :( I ran a 14.1 w/ 240 whp, and I ran a 14.2 w/ 310 doh! but i did have 2.7 60fts lol!

[KDM>JDM]

True :( I ran a 14.1 w/ 240 whp, and I ran a 14.2 w/ 310 doh! but i did have 2.7 60fts lol!


wow

[SmackedInATL]

Why is it that only ricers use 60' times for excuses about their ET's.

"I ran a 14.0 with 400 hp, but it was with a 3.0 60ft"

gay.

[BABY J]

Why is it that only ricers use 60' times for excuses about their ET's.

"I ran a 14.0 with 400 hp, but it was with a 3.0 60ft"

gay.

Not all FWD drivers are ricers. You'd be suprised what 'other' cars "ricers" have at home, or have owned.

And you said it right - we argue about our E.T. but often times can still mile-an-hour. So STFU :cheers: :D

Common sense tells you that your short-track times are important. Every1 was building big end pro FWDs until a little lady named Stephanie Eggum shook shit up w/ short-track times. She didn't move outta the big end any better than any1 else in the class - but she left hard and that's where she won races (Seitsinger did the same thing, but not as well as she and Frank)

FWD doesn't work. :eek: Do not assume that us FWD guys do not know that.:D RWD guys seem to think that we don't - we do. It's still fun. Launching a FWD car correctly takes skill - do not downplay the driving ability of the 6 people (they're all dead) on the planet that can do it well. LOL

Trap speeds do not lie. That 14.0 w/ a 3.0 60 coming from a car that will still mile-an-hour tells you what the car is capable of in a perfect world. (yes - we know the world isn't perfect). :(

The "correct" tire, rear-suspension, and front suspension) to make FWD cars leave "hard" and push back on the front wheels is generally not streetable - you'd catch air out back if u run over a road reflector - LOL. Most people add power, add a tire and go racing... that is only half the puzzle. (but you already know that)


And finally... :tongue1:


:D

[SmackedInATL]

Not all FWD drivers are ricers. You'd be suprised what 'other' cars "ricers" have at home, or have owned.

And you said it right - we argue about our E.T. but often times can still mile-an-hour. So STFU :cheers: :D

Common sense tells you that your short-track times are important. Every1 was building big end pro FWDs until a little lady named Stephanie Eggum shook shit up w/ short-track times. She didn't move outta the big end any better than any1 else in the class - but she left hard and that's where she won races (Seitsinger did the same thing, but not as well as she and Frank)

FWD doesn't work. :eek: Do not assume that us FWD guys do not know that.:D RWD guys seem to think that we don't - we do. It's still fun. Launching a FWD car correctly takes skill - do not downplay the driving ability of the 6 people (they're all dead) on the planet that can do it well. LOL

Trap speeds do not lie. That 14.0 w/ a 3.0 60 coming from a car that will still mile-an-hour tells you what the car is capable of in a perfect world. (yes - we know the world isn't perfect). :(

The "correct" tire, rear-suspension, and front suspension) to make FWD cars leave "hard" and push back on the front wheels is generally not streetable - you'd catch air out back if u run over a road reflector - LOL. Most people add power, add a tire and go racing... that is only half the puzzle. (but you already know that)


And finally... :tongue1:


:D

Dude, here is your fuck up:




And you said it right - we argue about our E.T. but often times can still mile-an-hour. So STFU :cheers: :D



Who the cares if you can trap high if you still 60' damn 3 seconds. Races are won by ET, not trap. So there you go still making the damn excuses. Only ricers take roll racing seriously. Granted, it is fun but any real racer doesn't give a damn about a roll race, unlike most Honda/JDM fanboys.

[BABY J]

^^ If you wanna go there then I'll say any "real" racer doesn't callout FWD cars if they have RWD cars. Hmmm... now lets revisit some of your callouts.

~ stirs the pot

And personally I don't have to make excuses... it's fun for me... until racing and/or winning races determines if I have money for dinner it's FUN (for me) - nothing more. It's a great place to spend too much money. :) I have RWD cars and FWD cars.

[Vteckidd]

well in an NA Honda, if your 60ft isnt AT LEAST a 1.8, you are NOT going to run a good time, period.

Turbo Hondas have the top end power to make up for shitty 60fts. RWD Cars , its 10000 times easier to cut good 60fts pushing a car forward than pulling.

How come so many RWD cars with Drag radials cut 1.7-1.8 60 foots? FWD to do that you have to have slicks.

So i dont even care about final times really, i care more about my 60ft.

And smacked i think you are wrong, ALL I EVER used to do was Dig runs, but somewhere in the last 4-5 years everyone started to do roll races

[Lankhoss]

Why is it that only ricers use 60' times for excuses about their ET's.

"I ran a 14.0 with 400 hp, but it was with a 3.0 60ft"

gay.

I know what you're saying, but the 60' does actually have a lot to do with your trap speed.

The higher your 60' is, the worse your traction is. On really high 60' times, traction is REALLY bad and can be a telltale sign of spinning the entire length of the track, but a decently powered car cutting a 2.4 60' has either bogged to the point of almost shutting off, or is spinning so badly he won't grab until after the 1/8.

I can only trap 126.xx in my car, yet guys with a STOCK Z06 have trapped 127 - 128 (very few have hit the 129's). But these guys are usually cutting a 1.85 60' or better, which is getting them a couple mph faster in the 1/8 than me.

Once you get to where you have cars that are actually setup to race at the track, with slicks, suspension, and all that...it's the exact opposite. A slower ET will give you a better trap speed, and lower ET's also have lower trap speeds. But when traction IS an issue (street tires), usually the lower ET's are higher trap speeds as well.

[BABY J]

I know what you're saying, but the 60' does actually have a lot to do with your trap speed.

The higher your 60' is, the worse your traction is. On really high 60' times, traction is REALLY bad and can be a telltale sign of spinning the entire length of the track, but a decently powered car cutting a 2.4 60' has either bogged to the point of almost shutting off, or is spinning so badly he won't grab until after the 1/8.

I can only trap 126.xx in my car, yet guys with a STOCK Z06 have trapped 127 - 128 (very few have hit the 129's). But these guys are usually cutting a 1.85 60' or better, which is getting them a couple mph faster in the 1/8 than me.

Once you get to where you have cars that are actually setup to race at the track, with slicks, suspension, and all that...it's the exact opposite. A slower ET will give you a better trap speed, and lower ET's also have lower trap speeds. But when traction IS an issue (street tires), usually the lower ET's are higher trap speeds as well.

Are you from a planet where... like... they make sense? WOW! :goodjob:

I'm sure Smacked knew how it relates (i hope) and was just making a crack at FWD cars. I have a yard full of FWD (and a few RWD) and I make fun of FWD as well.

I feel sorry for the people who get so caught up in this shit that it's not fun for them anymore.

[b@d @pple]

i dont understand how anyone could say that 60' times dont matter...i would say with an n/a honda,the first 60' are going to dictate your race..2.2-up is fucking terrible..get a 60' at 1.7 or 1.8 and youd see a tremendous difference in the outcome

[oleblue]

I know going from a 2.4 60ft to a 2.2 60ft I trapped like 3 to 4 mph faster

[Lankhoss]

i dont understand how anyone could say that 60' times dont matter...i would say with an n/a honda,the first 60' are going to dictate your race..2.2-up is fucking terrible..get a 60' at 1.7 or 1.8 and youd see a tremendous difference in the outcome

I think these discussions get started when people start trying to compare their track times to roll racing.

When two cars are going from a roll, then their trap speed is ALL that matters. It doesn't matter if it takes them 14 seconds or 9 seconds to do so. This isn't something set in stone, but it's a very good rule of thumb to go by.

When drag racing, ET is ALL that matters...trap speed doesn't mean a thing. When you are heads up racing, there is only 1 goal.....get from the starting point to the finishing point in as little amount of time as possible. For someone trying to achieve this, the BEST thing they can do is get the best possible traction so they can use 100% of their power for a longer distance of the track.

There are exceptions to both of these rules in extreme cases. We've all seen cars where someone put gobs and gobs of money into their motor, and didn't take any measurements to make sure it goes to the ground. So yeah, it's POSSIBLE to have a car that can't get ouf the 13's yet traps 135+mph.....I actually had a friend with a built C5R block and STS twins on his Vette, and couldn't run better than really high 12's and low 13's (at Commerce), but always trapped over 136mph, even spinning and part-throttling the car the entire length of the track. The flip side of that, is if someone makes decent power and excellent traction, they can get a good ET AND mph. Thacker's Camaro is a good example of this. He "only" made 420rwhp (80 less than me), but was cutting a 1.6s 60' and trapping around 124mph I believe. I can only trap 126 at the track with low 2s 60's, but would actually pull Thacker much more than a 2mph difference on the highway. A high 9 second car would do better on a highway than a 12 second car with the same power, but the gap in differences on the highway would be SUBSTANTIALLY smaller than they would be at the track.

So GENERALLY SPEAKING......if you're going to do a roll race, trap speed is what you want to look at or talk about, and 60' times mean nothing. But that's not the Bible of speed or anything, it's just a good estimate that often times turns out to be an accurate guess to the outcome of a roll race. But there are a lot of factors to look at before coming to that conclusion.

So these blanket statements of "60' doesn't matter" and such.......well, there is good reasoning behind saying something like that, but it's not QUITE that simple. It seems like cars within the mid 11 to mid 13 second times follow these generalizations almost perfectly. Cars that are faster or slower than that, seem to start straying from those guesstimates more.....at least that's what I've seen in my experience.

[b@d @pple]

agreed if were talking about roll racing

[EmminoDaGreat]

Dude, here is your fuck up:



Who the cares if you can trap high if you still 60' damn 3 seconds. Races are won by ET, not trap. So there you go still making the damn excuses. Only ricers take roll racing seriously. Granted, it is fun but any real racer doesn't give a damn about a roll race, unlike most Honda/JDM fanboys.


:blah:
It seems all you do is run your mouth, especially when people call you out and you're only willing to do runs how you want them. It is easy for a rwd guy to run his mouth about digs when its obvious they always have the advantage.

And the 60ft time is no excuse, its my driving error, also obvious that if you cut a 2.2 60ft instead of a higher one, your overall et will go down(assuming all runs are alike).Its obvious the car should be faster seeing as it has more power, but I need to learn the car again, as things have changed. What excuse was made btw? I am pretty sure the statement I made was to show you that mike runs 14.1's, I ran 14.2 and I put buses on mike all day. This was to clear up "mike has a 12 sec car bs".

As for your races are won by ET comment, that is 100% correct. If you look at a "FWD RICER" there traps will always be much higher than that of a "RWD GOD" Simply because they make more on the big end (assuming they are equal time cars).

Or how about TS240, his car should be an easy low 13 sec car. But he ran mid 14's this weekend, with a trap speed of 111mph. So you're saying that this car should run 14's and his trap speed doesnt indicate he has the ability to go faster, assuming he works on his short game. Nothing matters more on a dig/dragstrip than the short game.

[EmminoDaGreat]

I think these discussions get started when people start trying to compare their track times to roll racing.

When two cars are going from a roll, then their trap speed is ALL that matters. It doesn't matter if it takes them 14 seconds or 9 seconds to do so. This isn't something set in stone, but it's a very good rule of thumb to go by.

When drag racing, ET is ALL that matters...trap speed doesn't mean a thing. When you are heads up racing, there is only 1 goal.....get from the starting point to the finishing point in as little amount of time as possible. For someone trying to achieve this, the BEST thing they can do is get the best possible traction so they can use 100% of their power for a longer distance of the track.

There are exceptions to both of these rules in extreme cases. We've all seen cars where someone put gobs and gobs of money into their motor, and didn't take any measurements to make sure it goes to the ground. So yeah, it's POSSIBLE to have a car that can't get ouf the 13's yet traps 135+mph.....I actually had a friend with a built C5R block and STS twins on his Vette, and couldn't run better than really high 12's and low 13's (at Commerce), but always trapped over 136mph, even spinning and part-throttling the car the entire length of the track. The flip side of that, is if someone makes decent power and excellent traction, they can get a good ET AND mph. Thacker's Camaro is a good example of this. He "only" made 420rwhp (80 less than me), but was cutting a 1.6s 60' and trapping around 124mph I believe. I can only trap 126 at the track with low 2s 60's, but would actually pull Thacker much more than a 2mph difference on the highway. A high 9 second car would do better on a highway than a 12 second car with the same power, but the gap in differences on the highway would be SUBSTANTIALLY smaller than they would be at the track.

So GENERALLY SPEAKING......if you're going to do a roll race, trap speed is what you want to look at or talk about, and 60' times mean nothing. But that's not the Bible of speed or anything, it's just a good estimate that often times turns out to be an accurate guess to the outcome of a roll race. But there are a lot of factors to look at before coming to that conclusion.

So these blanket statements of "60' doesn't matter" and such.......well, there is good reasoning behind saying something like that, but it's not QUITE that simple. It seems like cars within the mid 11 to mid 13 second times follow these generalizations almost perfectly. Cars that are faster or slower than that, seem to start straying from those guesstimates more.....at least that's what I've seen in my experience.



Thank you. This sums it up. :goodjob:

[SmackedInATL]

:blah:
It seems all you do is run your mouth, especially when people call you out and you're only willing to do runs how you want them. It is easy for a rwd guy to run his mouth about digs when its obvious they always have the advantage.


Run my mouth? Are your feelings hurt? When people call me out and ask me to run them for money and then put terms on the race? Get the fuck out of here. I've already been through this.

You going to call me out then run me heads up or shut the fuck up. Its really that simple, if you can't comprehend that then I'm really sorry.:goodjob:

[SpooL'DGsR]

Run my mouth? Are your feelings hurt? When people call me out and ask me to run them for money and then put terms on the race? Get the fuck out of here. I've already been through this.

You going to call me out then run me heads up or shut the fuck up. Its really that simple, if you can't comprehend that then I'm really sorry.:goodjob:

my 10 sec integra comprehends........ :goodjob: lolololol

[TheSnail]

I have only been to the track once, so Im confused on the track time stuff. I know that the lower the 60' the higher the trap. Though with Catnip said .4 off 60' is .8 off ET. I always thought if you ran lets say a 2.2 60' at 14.0, than ran a 1.8 it would just take off .4 off the 14.0 to a 13.6. With taking what Catnip stated I looked at my times again. I ran a 17.1 @ 98.9 3.7 60' and a 14.1 @ 101.2 2.3 60', thats a 1.4s diff in 60' and a 3s diff in ET. So 3/1.4 = 2.14. So for every .1s off the 60' is .2s off the ET? Also a friend of mine said spinning will lower ET but increase trap which makes absolutely no sense. Lack of traction, lack acceleration is how I see it.

[ls-r teg]

if mike let me drive his car at he track i bet i could get it in the 12's with my slicks

[SmackedInATL]

my 10 sec integra comprehends........ :goodjob: lolololol


Good, because I don't put you in a class with the rest of these FWD guy that use their 60' times as a crutch for shitty ETs...looking forward to the 9th, hope your boss is in a good mood when you ask him to get off early!

[Vteckidd]

if mike let me drive his car at he track i bet i could get it in the 12's with my slicks

yeah right.

Ill bet you and anyone else $100 ill give you 3 passes. Ill bring the slicks. If you can make my car run faster than a 13.2 you keep the money, you cant, you pay me.

Come on guys im not THAT bad of a driver

[Catnip]

I have only been to the track once, so Im confused on the track time stuff. I know that the lower the 60' the higher the trap. Though with Catnip said .4 off 60' is .8 off ET. I always thought if you ran lets say a 2.2 60' at 14.0, than ran a 1.8 it would just take off .4 off the 14.0 to a 13.6. With taking what Catnip stated I looked at my times again. I ran a 17.1 @ 98.9 3.7 60' and a 14.1 @ 101.2 2.3 60', thats a 1.4s diff in 60' and a 3s diff in ET. So 3/1.4 = 2.14. So for every .1s off the 60' is .2s off the ET? Also a friend of mine said spinning will lower ET but increase trap which makes absolutely no sense. Lack of traction, lack acceleration is how I see it.


Like I said, roughly .2 in the 1/4 per every .1 in the 60'.

I went from a 13.7 @ 103 (or 104, can't remember) w/ 2.2, to a 13.3 @103 w/ 2.0 ;)

[SmackedInATL]

yeah right.

Ill bet you and anyone else $100 ill give you 3 passes. Ill bring the slicks. If you can make my car run faster than a 13.2 you keep the money, you cant, you pay me.

Come on guys im not THAT bad of a driver

Now thats a good deal to shut up the shit talkers.

[Catnip]

yeah right.

Ill bet you and anyone else $100 ill give you 3 passes. Ill bring the slicks. If you can make my car run faster than a 13.2 you keep the money, you cant, you pay me.

Come on guys im not THAT bad of a driver


Not saying you're a bad driver, but a SICK launch with slicks will drop it considerably... What is your 1/8th mile time?

[On_Her_Face]

So either Commerce is SLOW or the other tracks are FAST (ie not accurate).

I have always wondered this myself. I know with NHRA tracks the grade on the track has to be under 1%. Does anybody know if SDR is under a 1% grade?

[AFSil80]

I have always wondered this myself. I know with NHRA tracks the grade on the track has to be under 1%. Does anybody know if SDR is under a 1% grade?

Being that they are an NHRA-sanctioned track, I believe so.

Off-topic: If anyone is ever down here from Atlanta, post it up so us local guys will come out and at least keep it from being entirely boring between passes. You might even find a few close matches, haha.

[SmackedInATL]

Being that they are an NHRA-sanctioned track, I believe so.

Off-topic: If anyone is ever down here from Atlanta, post it up so us local guys will come out and at least keep it from being entirely boring between passes. You might even find a few close matches, haha.

Will be there on the 9th.

[BABY J]

Good, because I don't put you in a class with the rest of these FWD guy that use their 60' times as a crutch for shitty ETs...looking forward to the 9th, hope your boss is in a good mood when you ask him to get off early!

You either

1) don't read well
2) read very well but have a problem w/ reading comprehension


Your FWD/60ft/ET argument/gripe/comment was all but debunked (in a rather nice way) by Lankhoss, myself and others. Get off of it.

[SmackedInATL]

You either

1) don't read well
2) read very well but have a problem w/ reading comprehension


Your FWD/60ft/ET argument/gripe/comment was all but debunked (in a rather nice way) by Lankhoss, myself and others. Get off of it.

LOL, anyways. The point of that first post that started this whole debate was that when SOME FWD guys post their ETs they are always like "but that was with a 2.7 60ft". No one gives a fuck that a FWD can't 60' for shit, they only care about the ET. The car runs what it runs. If the car runs 14.1 at the track, there is no "its a 12 second car if I could get it off the line". Its not a 12 second car until it runs 12 seconds.

[AFSil80]

Will be there on the 9th.

If I'm not in Miami, I'll try and make it out. I doubt I'll be in the 240, though.

[The Creeper]

whats up dude, havent seen you post in a while

Not much man. Same old shit. I moved out to the boonies even more so over the summer. Just going to school now, How's the vette coming along? I need to check it out in person...

[b@d @pple]

LOL, anyways. The point of that first post that started this whole debate was that when SOME FWD guys post their ETs they are always like "but that was with a 2.7 60ft". No one gives a fuck that a FWD can't 60' for shit, they only care about the ET. The car runs what it runs. If the car runs 14.1 at the track, there is no "its a 12 second car if I could get it off the line". Its not a 12 second car until it runs 12 seconds.


so you agree that mikes car runs 14s

[SmackedInATL]

so you agree that mikes car runs 14s

I could really care less what the car runs at the track. You haven't seen me in that debate other than me seeing the vids in the thread and stating that the car looks like a high 13 second car.

[b@d @pple]

I could really care less what the car runs at the track. You haven't seen me in that debate other than me seeing the vids in the thread and stating that the car looks like a high 13 second car.

ok

[ls-r teg]

what kind of suspention you running?


yeah right.

Ill bet you and anyone else $100 ill give you 3 passes. Ill bring the slicks. If you can make my car run faster than a 13.2 you keep the money, you cant, you pay me.

Come on guys im not THAT bad of a driver

[Vteckidd]

Tein 32 way adjustable REs, Function 7 R lower Control Arms, Beaks rear tie bar, ASR rear subrframe brace, usual strutbars and crap.

[ejohnson88]

On slicks its a 12sec car. My car alone is a low 13 on slicks and I weight 400lbs more than him and make the same power.

[Vteckidd]

On slicks its a 12sec car. My car alone is a low 13 on slicks and I weight 400lbs more than him and make the same power.

:headslap:


i HIGHLY doubt your car weighs 400lbs more than me. Mine is around 2150 WITHOUT me in it. Theres no way your EG weighs 2500-2600 lbs. Stock it weighed 2200lbs. Im sure you gained some weight from the K, but then you lose weight from the Carbon hood (dont you have one?) etc.

Maybe its 2300 without you in it i cant see it being that much heavier though.

Did your car actually run low 13s on slicks? If it did nice job, what was your 60ft, what was your MPH.

Lastly, you cannot compare your K Series to my B Series. You make significantly more power under the curve and significantly more TQ. They are 2 totally different engines.

Case in point i overlayed a prominent NA Honda guys graph with mine. He made 206whp, i made 202. Should be pretty evenly matched right?

WRONG

He was making as much as 20ft/lbs more TQ and up to 14whp more in whole sections of the RPM band. From 5000-6500 he had me by huge amounts.

Stop looking at peak numbers only

[allmotorcrx]

On slicks its a 12sec car. My car alone is a low 13 on slicks and I weight 400lbs more than him and make the same power.

Damn low 13s with slicks can none of y'all all motor guys run in the 12s that's sad

[Vteckidd]

running 12a all motor is not an easy feat in a FWD car, sorry pal

[allmotorcrx]

running 12a all motor is not an easy feat in a FWD car, sorry pal

He'll I do of all day long with a non built motor

[Vteckidd]

He'll I do of all day long with a non built motor

post a time slip and mods

[allmotorcrx]

post a time slip and mods

my best time is 12.6 @ 108 mods are cheap header,cheap intake,and exhaust

[Vteckidd]

my best time is 12.6 @ 108 mods are cheap header,cheap intake,and exhaust

WHAT CHASSIS, WHAT MOTOR?

There isnt any HONDA motor around that can run that fast thats STOCK. Unless you put a J32 or a NSX motor in your CRX.

[allmotorcrx]

WHAT CHASSIS, WHAT MOTOR?

There isnt any HONDA motor around that can run that fast thats STOCK. Unless you put a J32 or a NSX motor in your CRX.

Well I guess your wrong,it's an h22 crx forgot to mention it's chipped too

[Vteckidd]

Well I guess your wrong,it's an h22 crx forgot to mention it's chipped too

id love to see a stock H22 crx running mid 12s. Video or timeslip.

You must be cutting 1.5 60Fts.

A stock h22 makes sub 200whp

[allmotorcrx]

id love to see a stock H22 crx running mid 12s. Video or timeslip.

You must be cutting 1.5 60Fts.

A stock h22 makes sub 200whp

No it ran 1.9 60ft but if you are ever up around Rome just let me know and bring that slow ass crx and I will make a beleaver out off you when I drag it down the street

[SmackedInATL]

Let's see that timeslip allmotorx. You don't have to lie to kick it mang.

Waka flocka flame

[allmotorcrx]

Let's see that timeslip allmotorx. You don't have to lie to kick it mang.

Waka flocka flame

Not a lie everybody around here knows.video on YouTube under Steele April 24 2009

[Vteckidd]

Lol Bring that thing down here man. I'd love to see a stock 180whp crx run 12s

[AFSil80]

Not a lie everybody around here knows.video on YouTube under Steele April 24 2009

White CRX, right? You won the all motor class last year in the spring (I think)?

[allmotorcrx]

Lol Bring that thing down here man. I'd love to see a stock 180whp crx run 12s

Wish I could but I work 7days a week 12hours a day so if you ever this way or if I get that way I can show you how a allmotor car is suppost to run.oh ya 180whp? I said I was chipped

[Revmaynard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Unolik1R4

His video at Steele.

[allmotorcrx]

White CRX, right? You won the all motor class last year in the spring (I think)?

Nope not me but I know witch one you talking about

[BABY J]

Wish I could but I work 7days a week 12hours a day so if you ever this way or if I get that way I can show you how a allmotor car is suppost to run.oh ya 180whp? I said I was chipped

Which tranny did you have on that run posted above??

[allmotorcrx]

Which tranny did you have on that run posted above??
h because I have the ESP mounts

[BABY J]

That car leaves hard ---- what suspension is out back?

[Vteckidd]

I bet I drag You down the street son. If you venture out of the cow pasture sometime come find me

[allmotorcrx]

That car leaves hard ---- what suspension is out back?

just some accord springs I had,it's funny I got like 4000 in the whole damn piece of shit and they can't build one to do it

[BABY J]

just some accord springs I had,it's funny I got like 4000 in the whole damn piece of shit and they can't build one to do it


Who's "they"?

[allmotorcrx]

Who's "they"?

all the ones posting saying it can't be done

[allmotorcrx]

I bet I drag You down the street son. If you venture out of the cow pasture sometime come find me

I tell you what why don't you come up here to the cow paster and bring you title and we will see who drags who unless your afraid to lose that slow ass crx

[Paul]

im ready to run anyone anywhere

Collins PM me, friendly run, me an you anytime anywhere


i'll accept this challenge

http://www.collectorsquest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Newman%20Foot%20Race2.jpg

this thread is epic gay.

[Master Shake]

allmotorcrx isn't talking any bullshit about that car. its stock and will straight get it. i've seen it many times before.

[allmotorcrx]

allmotorcrx isn't talking any bullshit about that car. its stock and will straight get it. i've seen it many times before.

Thanks,finelly someone to back me up on this

[Vteckidd]

I tell you what why don't you come up here to the cow paster and bring you title and we will see who drags who unless your afraid to lose that slow ass crx

LOL too easy. I heard you were a major shit talker. Figured id have some fun with you.

If you car runs 12s congrats, if its a stock h22, then your car must be extremely light.

I like my slow CRX.

Running for titles LOL What do you think this is Fast and Furious

[Vteckidd]

White CRX, right? You won the all motor class last year in the spring (I think)?

thats chip he makes a lot more power than me, and he runs 11s on slicks. Nice guy

[BABY J]

ALLMOTOR --- your H is chipped... but not dyno/street tuned.. .correct?

[SPOOLIN]

allmotorcrx is obviously an idiot to think that a 200whp crx couldn't hang with his sub 200whp crx. A chip doesn't make your 160whp engine all the sudden pick up 40whp.

So there only one way to beat a 200whp crx with a less than version...and thats to just have a pile of shit tin can.

[allmotorcrx]

LOL too easy. I heard you were a major shit talker. Figured id have some fun with you.

If you car runs 12s congrats, if its a stock h22, then your car must be extremely light.

I like my slow CRX.

Running for titles LOL What do you think this is Fast and Furious

that's what I thought tuck you tail and run now as always.and shit talker not me your always on here talking shit ,even around her I stay at home doing the family thing till I get a call wanting to race

[Vteckidd]

that's what I thought tuck you tail and run now as always.and shit talker not me your always on here talking shit ,even around her I stay at home doing the family thing till I get a call wanting to race

Ok how about we run for $10,000, run whatcha brung.

Gimme a break kid, you came in here thinking you are gods gift to racing. Sounds like you have a fast CRX, but you are not telling the truth about your mods. Ive been doing this a long time and a stock H22 (even with a chip) makes 180-190whp TOPS.

The HIGHEST i have ever seen was a 97 Prelude that had a CROME TUNE with I/h/e and he made 192whp.

So either theres something you arent saying, or your car weighs 1600lbs.

Either way, i dont give a shit, nice car, i like my slow CRX. Ill run you for fun seriously just PM me

[HYBRIDLS]

theres one in valdosta that has a H2B with intake, header, and blox b cams that went 12.3 @ 111mph with a 1.7 60ft, there was another one in cairo that by his 1/8th mile times wouldve been a 12.8 pass on stock motor and prelude si tranny, so yes H22s can run in the 12's..dont forget about the euro r motors that make over 200hp

[allmotorcrx]

Ok how about we run for $10,000, run whatcha brung.n

Gimme a break kid, you came in here thinking you are gods gift to racing. Sounds like you have a fast CRX, but you are not telling the truth about your mods. Ive been doing this a long time and a stock H22 (even with a chip) makes 180-190whp TOPS.

The HIGHEST i have ever seen was a 97 Prelude that had a CROME TUNE with I/h/e and he made 192whp.

So either theres something you arent saying, or your car weighs 1600lbs.

Either way, i dont give a shit, nice car, i like my slow CRX. Ill run you for fun seriously just PM me

Not hidding nothing just tuned by crt made a tad over 200 and I been doing this a long time to,it's just everytime I get on here you always talking about I outran this person I outran that person ,so I thought I would run you and put you in your place.and ya we can do it for fun

[Vteckidd]

theres one in valdosta that has a H2B with intake, header, and blox b cams that went 12.3 @ 111mph with a 1.7 60ft, there was another one in cairo that by his 1/8th mile times wouldve been a 12.8 pass on stock motor and prelude si tranny, so yes H22s can run in the 12's

H2B throws evverything out the window. I know guys with STOCK h22, stock B Trans, and they run 13.0s. The gearing is the biggest drawback to the H22 hence the h2b guys, and you said he had cams and shit. thats prob a 200-215whp motor

[Vteckidd]

you dont read my posts a lot then. I have lost to more people that ive beaten. I lost to ATLPlayer, Chunky, OSUPatrick etc.

Im sure you are faster than me. No need for the ego, im always down for friendly runs.

[allmotorcrx]

you dont read my posts a lot then. I have lost to more people that ive beaten. I lost to ATLPlayer, Chunky, OSUPatrick etc.

Im sure you are faster than me. No need for the ego, im always down for friendly runs.
sure maybe we can make it happen,its just hard with my work and everthing,but like i said if you just happen to come this way let me know we will do it

[allmotorcrx]

are hey maybe we can run for a header i love your headers,lets say if i win you give me a header if you win i buy one

[Lankhoss]

This thread is way too awesome to take down, I hope it never gets locked....EVAR!!

[Vteckidd]

are hey maybe we can run for a header i love your headers,lets say if i win you give me a header if you win i buy one

I always like to help out the local guys, especially fellow CRX people :P deal

[Black R]

Hey mike let's go up his way where there are spots with no cops or they don't give a shit
then you can put me on the chopping block also :)
might as well get it out of the way

[On_Her_Face]

I always like to help out the local guys, especially fellow CRX people :P deal

That's an awesome deal. +1

...now if you'd only give me the same deal with the Corvette vs. your CRX, jk!

[BABY J]

H2B throws evverything out the window. I know guys with STOCK h22, stock B Trans, and they run 13.0s. The gearing is the biggest drawback to the H22 hence the h2b guys, and you said he had cams and shit. thats prob a 200-215whp motor

Which is why I asked what tranny was in the car from his vid. No offense all-motor, your car doesn't move outta the big end at ALL. LOL. But it leaves hard - that was the only thing that impressed me. KUDOS MAN!!! I'd like to know the spring-rate of the "accord springs" you sat out back in your rex. Also I'd like to know what's in the interior.

Mike and I have a run soon - I don't mind doing Rome either (Mike you have a PM).

[Master Shake]

This thread is way too awesome to take down, I hope it never gets locked....EVAR!!
i like seeing you post. always makes me :lmfao:

[1439/2000]

I always like to help out the local guys, especially fellow CRX people :P deal

Good deal!

[SPOOLIN]

you guys are going to piss me off and make me build a 350whp k series civic cx so my wife can smoke your asses lol

[AFSil80]

thats chip he makes a lot more power than me, and he runs 11s on slicks. Nice guy

Cool, thanks for the clarification. All I remember from that IFO was a white all motor CRX on Lensos, haha. Wasn't sure if that was this guy or not.

[Master Shake]

you guys are going to piss me off and make me build a 350whp k series civic cx so my wife can smoke your asses lol
in for that!!!!:goodjob:

[BABY J]

SPOOLIN you know damn well you can build a serious B. Fuck the K.

[ejohnson88]

Well I'm pretty sure that the K series transmission when redline shifting doesn't drop down to below 6000 RPM so in a all out race the advantage wouldn't be as great as you state.

And my car does in fact way just south of 2600 lbs with me in it. It was about 2575 last time i weighed it at the track. Stock weight on coupes is close to 2450. Trust me I know area under the curve and all that mess. Last time I checked I made about 140 torque. What were your torque numbers again?

Lets take a loot at those graphs. You should remember these graphs. If you look at them Significantly more torque? Well if you look at the graph i am making about 140- torque at 6k rpm.... and at 6k you're making very similar torque with you coming to your peak at 138. So I've only got you by about 2 torque at most... And then they follow similar high revving honda torque curves out the rest of the RPM range. Oh and mind you these were both done at mainstream so this argument is legitimate and valid.

And as for what my car has ran, I have yet to run 13's but like I said it is good for low 13's because my best run was a 13.5 with a 1.99 60' and a 101.5 trap. And this was my first run on slicks. With my gf in the car... Who is by no means fat haha but is another 125+ lbs to the weight of the car at the time of doing this. My next and last pass had a 1.90 60' but I couldn't find second gear because first had run out so fast (I was on 20" slicks... too small!)

SOOOOO with some very ROUGH calculations, mind you, car weighed 2550 at the time with me in the car.... add gf and it was about 2675? I make what 194whp? and with a 2 second 60' on slicks I cut a 13.5. at 101.5.

Now anyone who knows drag racing I'm sure knows about the kind of true rule of thumb that for every tenth off of your 60' can be up to 2 tenths off your final ET. So lets say I practice my launch better and get it down to a ... modest 1.8 60'. Now that's not amazing by any means... Mike you yourself told me with practice on slicks our cars can cut 1.6's. SO with just 2 tenths that's up to .4 off ET... so lets be modest and say I only get .2 off ... that brings the car to about a 13.3... Now remove the gf lol... 100 lbs is said to be about a tenth in the quarter too, correct me if I am wrong....


So I think it is perfectly acceptable to think that your car as it stands.... even if it weighs 2150, i figured it weighed less, have you weighed it? That makes 202hp and 138trq and has very similar power curves to mine. that revs longer, has a b16 tranny as well (I think K series K ratios still give it the upper hand here... not positive on this one.) on slicks with a good 60 of 1.7 to 1.8 could very well hit high twelves on a good day. I think this is a perfectly reasonable expectation and I think that all of this data provides support for this situation.


Now I know, before anyone trys to flame me... This is basically bench racing and speculation and that there are so many more variables that come into play here and blah blah blah... I know all this... All I am saying is that from the given inforation, it's perfectly reasonable for this to be expected out of mike's car.

[allmotorcrx]

you guys are going to piss me off and make me build a 350whp k series civic cx so my wife can smoke your asses lol
you mean let mainstream build it? but ya bring it and i will let my wife drive mine

[SPOOLIN]

you mean let mainstream build it? but ya bring it and i will let my wife drive mine

you just made a mistake there....everyone on this board...and thats a lot, knows i build every inch of my engines and trannies and choose the parts that make power properly. You are a fucking idiot. Nobody in this town can make the power i do and make it last as long as i have.

Main Stream simply provides me with facilities when i need it, dyno time, and some fabrication work. Ive supported them for 6 years just as they have supported me for about 5 in that manner.

Thank you.

[allmotorcrx]

you just made a mistake there....everyone on this board...and thats a lot, knows i build every inch of my engines and trannies and choose the parts that make power properly. You are a fucking idiot. Nobody in this town can make the power i do and make it last as long as i have.

Main Stream simply provides me with facilities when i need it, dyno time, and some fabrication work. Ive supported them for 6 years just as they have supported me for about 5 in that manner.

Thank you.

nobody in this town can build a motor a make it last like you? I know a few people that can,but one I know of for sure you will find out soon .oh a buy the way quit acting like a bad ass behind the computer and keep the stupid remarks to you self.it's ok to talk shit but quit calling people stupid before you piss me off.

[jhadleyh]

smells like ass in this thread

[SmackedInATL]

e-thuggin coming out in full force

[ls-r teg]

puts on e-thug du-rag:ninja:

[SPOOLIN]

nobody in this town can build a motor a make it last like you? I know a few people that can,but one I know of for sure you will find out soon .oh a buy the way quit acting like a bad ass behind the computer and keep the stupid remarks to you self.it's ok to talk shit but quit calling people stupid before you piss me off.

LOL you are the one coming in saying i dont build my shit trying to call me out on something you don't know. I know whos got what around here, and i know whos trying to make power and its not gonna be all that. If you try to claim something on me Im going to tell you that you are a fucking idiot if you are wrong...I have reason too. If someone wants to try and make more power than me i applaud them, but i can just turn around and make 1000hp if i wanted too but theres no point until i use the 800+ i already have that i built.

It's really simple: no one has the experience I have in experimentation and blowing engines up to figure out what works.

Go play with your stock engine race car

[allmotorcrx]

LOL you are the one coming in saying i dont build my shit trying to call me out on something you don't know. I know whos got what around here, and i know whos trying to make power and its not gonna be all that. If you try to claim something on me Im going to tell you that you are a fucking idiot if you are wrong...I have reason too. If someone wants to try and make more power than me i applaud them, but i can just turn around and make 1000hp if i wanted too but theres no point until i use the 800+ i already have that i built.

now you just need to learn how to use all that power,maybe one day you will learn to drive and get out of the 10s that's sad all that power and still in the 10s don't matter how much power you got if you don't know how to use it

[Vteckidd]

you mean let mainstream build it? but ya bring it and i will let my wife drive mine

Ive known spoolin since his Turbo Del Sol days, and mainstream has never been more than a facility that assists with HIS WORK. While i was with Mainstream we did stuff like Tuning, Roll Cage and turbo manifold fabrication. The engine, turbo kit, paint, chassis setup etc was all done by Spoolin.

Even if mainstream did ALL the work, who cares, they did all my work. Im too old to be getting dirty, id rather pay them to do it right than me do it.

As far as someone else making more power than spoolin, to date there isnt ANYONE i know of in ROME even CLOSE to him. If that changes, well let the dyno speak for itself

[KDM>JDM]

who cares about HP? it doesnt mean anything if you have 1200hp and your quarter mile times arnt worth a damn. And i hear this excuse all the time "well my trap speed was high enough to run blah blah blah" well who cares? you didnt run that

[Vteckidd]

now you just need to learn how to use all that power,maybe one day you will learn to drive and get out of the 10s that's sad all that power and still in the 10s don't matter how much power you got if you don't know how to use it

i think hes run mid 10s, which with 650whp, that isnt bad. IIRC he hasnt made a full pass at 8xx whp

If he has, well shit you dont just hop in a car with 800+whp an run 9s. Doesnt work that way.

HP doesnt mean SHIT if you cant hook or keep the car straight down the track. Look at all the 350whp+ NA guys that run 10s, and some run mid 9s. HP doesnt mean anything without TRACTION

[allmotorcrx]

i think hes run mid 10s, which with 650whp, that isnt bad. IIRC he hasnt made a full pass at 8xx whp

If he has, well shit you dont just hop in a car with 800+whp an run 9s. Doesnt work that way.

HP doesnt mean SHIT if you cant hook or keep the car straight down the track. Look at all the 350whp+ NA guys that run 10s, and some run mid 9s. HP doesnt mean anything without TRACTION

your right just like I said does you no good if you don't know how to use it

[allmotorcrx]

who cares about HP? it doesnt mean anything if you have 1200hp and your quarter mile times arnt worth a damn. And i hear this excuse all the time "well my trap speed was high enough to run blah blah blah" well who cares? you didnt run that

thank you that's what I'm saying

[Vteckidd]

your right just like I said does you no good if you don't know how to use it

well i mean its not as simple as "pussy you dont know how to use it!"

Who the fuck knows how to pilot a 800whp FWD Civic? Ask any of the guys on here that make those numbers from Alfonso, Danny, Peter, Bee (if he was still around), JKODB, JJMastertech, etc its not an easy thing to learn.

People spend countless hours ,passes, and unfortunately engines learning their car and how to make it go faster. Im a perfect example. Somehow you have figured out how to run a 200whp car to mid 12s, apparently that is a talent i dont possess yet. You figured out how to set your car up.

But dont tell me the first pass you ever did in your car was a mid 12. it prob took you awhile to get there.

Thats all im saying

[SPOOLIN]

I was just commenting about making the power ...I know how to use it and have the right setup.... When someone gives me 4000$ for a tranny to hold the power we'll be laying down the times. Otherwise it will just have to happen next spring when I make the purchase. this why i said i could make 1000hp if i wanted to but there is NO point because i gotta get the stuff to hold up to it and get it down the track.

[Master Shake]

^ Liberty?

[allmotorcrx]

well i mean its not as simple as "pussy you dont know how to use it!"

Who the fuck knows how to pilot a 800whp FWD Civic? Ask any of the guys on here that make those numbers from Alfonso, Danny, Peter, Bee (if he was still around), JKODB, JJMastertech, etc its not an easy thing to learn.

People spend countless hours ,passes, and unfortunately engines learning their car and how to make it go faster. Im a perfect example. Somehow you have figured out how to run a 200whp car to mid 12s, apparently that is a talent i dont possess yet. You figured out how to set your car up.

But dont tell me the first pass you ever did in your car was a mid 12. it prob took you awhile to get there.

Thats all im sayingno my first pass was 13.0 not chipped but ya there's a way to get 800hp to hook and get it down the track but we will leave that behide closed doors,the guy that my buddys been talking with to set his up has done did it,let's see he lives in texas and his first name is tony

[SPOOLIN]

really, you are going to bring up the Torsion bar secret, its not a secret...and HE doesn't even know if it really works, there are 3 people using them that i have seen the cars in person and go down the track. I've seen tony's car in person and seen it run down the track. He has a 3000$ engine management that allows him to do all sorts of shit. Im not in the dark at all here as to whats on peoples cars. his car is basically a manually shifted automatic. The only way to find out of it works is to setup flex and strain sensors. Tonys car is making well over 1100hp...thats how hes running high 8's...and his tranny and tuning setup with that.

[SPOOLIN]

^ Liberty?

yes

[Vteckidd]

no my first pass was 13.0 not chipped but ya there's a way to get 800hp to hook and get it down the track but we will leave that behide closed doors,the guy that my buddys been talking with to set his up has done did it,let's see he lives in texas and his first name is tony

well talking and doing are 2 different things. I can sit here an tell you all day how to set a car up, but that doesnt mean you are going to go out an run some gangster pass.

I can tell you how to build a record breaking NA engine, but i couldnt do it myself.

Spoolin has had lots of trans problems. I think hes on his 3rd or 4th this year even. Unfortunately when you make that kind of power you find out weak links very fast.

All im saying is hes run 10s, theres no shame in that, a car of that magnitude isnt a 1 pass 9 second animal, it takes time.

[Vteckidd]

Oh, Peter Heu ran 9.9s consistently in his 650whp EG hatch. Peter built this SUPER SICK Integra that made almost 1000whp with way more shit done to it than his EG hatch. IT took him a LONG TIME to get back into the 9s because the car was a totally different animal, was more complicated, etc.

Peter was a seasoned driver and knew what he was doing but even he had problems with car reliability, setup etc. Its not as simple as you are making it out to be IMO

[allmotorcrx]

Ive known spoolin since his Turbo Del Sol days, and mainstream has never been more than a facility that assists with HIS WORK. While i was with Mainstream we did stuff like Tuning, Roll Cage and turbo manifold fabrication. The engine, turbo kit, paint, chassis setup etc was all done by Spoolin.

Even if mainstream did ALL the work, who cares, they did all my work. Im too old to be getting dirty, id rather pay them to do it right than me do it.

As far as someone else making more power than spoolin, to date there isnt ANYONE i know of in ROME even CLOSE to him. If that changes, well let the dyno speak for itself

There is someone in this town but it's not finished yet but soon I hope

[AFSil80]

no my first pass was 13.0 not chipped but ya there's a way to get 800hp to hook and get it down the track but we will leave that behide closed doors,the guy that my buddys been talking with to set his up has done did it,let's see he lives in texas and his first name is tony

Oh shit son, name dropping in the second degree!

I'm just gonna say this much: The way you are going about clowning people, won't lead people to take you seriously. As Mike stated, there is a WORLD of difference in getting 800whp to hook up in comparison to 600whp. This may sound odd to you, but hearsay ain't the way.

[Vteckidd]

I know Tony Paulo too, doesnt mean i can run 9s if i build a 800whp civic

[SPOOLIN]

I know Tony Paulo too, doesnt mean i can run 9s if i build a 800whp civic

I spoke with miller once, i didn't get anything out of him as to how im going to run an 8.75 at 172...


No offense allmotorcrx to your friend but going from 300hp to 800+ if it happens is a VERY humbling experience and its experience that he lacks. I know exactly who you are talking about.

[allmotorcrx]

I know Tony Paulo too, doesnt mean i can run 9s if i build a 800whp civic

anyway back on subject let me know maybe we can run for that header

[allmotorcrx]

I spoke with miller once, i didn't get anything out of him as to how im going to run an 8.75 at 172...


No offense allmotorcrx to your friend but going from 300hp to 800+ if it happens is a VERY humbling experience and its experience that he lacks. I know exactly who you are talking about.

he's got plenty of experience but will see in a matter of time,but we are all here for the same thing to race and have fun so quit being a dick and thinking you are the only one that can build a quick car.ya your cars quick and hey your rep. Rome ha ha but don't be an ass

[SPOOLIN]

ya your cars quick and hey your rep. Rome ha ha but don't be an ass


The first one to be an ASS is usually the last one to be the ASS. Review thread to see who was first.


Come run the IFO all motor class and actually do SOMETHING.

See you people at IFO...I should make it no problem.

[BABY J]

So far ALLMOTOR you're the biggest "ass" in this thread. If any1 is a wallet-racer that'd probably be me. I have no interest in getting greasy or oily - although it'd be nice to be able to do more of my own work. I did that as a teenager when I was broke. Now I "think" for a living and I'd have it no other way than to exchange my funds for some1 else's effort. It DEFINITELY wouldn't be SPOOLIN who's a wallet-racer... that's for damn sure. Every1 in the know knows that he builds his own engines etc.

Also - stop e-racing your friends car before it even comes together - you just climbed up a few rungs on the gay ladder. It could puke on the dyno - or break at the line. Or end up on the back-burner when "real life" rears it's ugly head just like lots of people's projects.

[allmotorcrx]

So vteckidd we going to try and do this oneday

[Master Shake]

yes
i thought so. you said a 3-4k trans and its was the only thing that i could think of.

hopefully some low 10's or high 9's will be in the near future. i will be looking forward to seeing it.



allmotor, matt has built every motor he has had. even way back when he had the turbo'd sol. then to the eg....and to the ek he has now. getting 800hp to hook all the way the track isn't that easy. too many variables come into play when trying to make a pass with something like that. i will say that spoolin probably has one of the highest, if not the highest, hp honda's in GA. everyone can say they can build a motor capable of doing that, very very few prove it. for instance, i won't mention names but i'm sure matt and you both know who i'm talking about since the guy did put the h22 into your car. he's been talking about building a 600+hp crx for years. he went through did all the work. and funny thing is.....its still not done. i know for a fact its been a good 3-4 years of him trying to do it. still not done.

[allmotorcrx]

i thought so. you said a 3-4k trans and its was the only thing that i could think of.

hopefully some low 10's or high 9's will be in the near future. i will be looking forward to seeing it.



allmotor, matt has built every motor he has had. even way back when he had the turbo'd sol. then to the eg....and to the ek he has now. getting 800hp to hook all the way the track isn't that easy. too many variables come into play when trying to make a pass with something like that. i will say that spoolin probably has one of the highest, if not the highest, hp honda's in GA. everyone can say they can build a motor capable of doing that, very very few prove it. for instance, i won't mention names but i'm sure matt and you both know who i'm talking about since the guy did put the h22 into your car. he's been talking about building a 600+hp crx for years. he went through did all the work. and funny thing is.....its still not done. i know for a fact its been a good 3-4 years of him trying to do it. still not done.i put the h in my car he did the wiring

[Master Shake]

i put the h in my car he did the wiring
well you know who i'm talking about. main point of the post.

[Vteckidd]

yeah we can do it, sometime next week most likely, ROME is about 20-30min from me

[allmotorcrx]

yeah we can do it, sometime next week most likely, ROME is about 20-30min from me

cool just let me know

[SPOOLIN]

Oh shit mikes hittin R town for some street ricin... Diggs only boys

[Master Shake]

Oh shit mikes hittin R town for some street ricin... Diggs only boys
word.


i wanna see this.

[HYBRIDLS]

theres a stock turbo h22 in south Ga that ran 10.9 on 12lbs

[Master Shake]

theres a stock turbo h22 in south Ga that ran 10.9 on 12lbs
on 12lbs.....

[HYBRIDLS]

yep on 12lbs. very clean car and he is running Neptune for engine management. Don't know the specs on the turbo setup

[Master Shake]

yep on 12lbs. very clean car and he is running Neptune for engine management. Don't know the specs on the turbo setup
its not "stock", just has stock internals.

[ejohnson88]

lol this thread is the definition of "Off Topic."

[Vteckidd]

i was in rome last night, racing collins actually

[SPOOLIN]

you douche, you can't call?? racing WHO?