Punk ass white boy

[Vteckidd]

So bad apple and I are on the way up to acworth. We are driving down busbee pkwy when we hit traffic. About 20 cars back from a light we are just patiently waiting. About this time a black male in a suv come barrelling out of the apartment complex on our right and about clips our front end. No blinker no stopping . Anyways whatever no big deal. Well after about 30 seconds he throws his reverse lights on and backs up coming INCHES from our front end again. I honk the horn.

He says "shutup I know what I'm doing I know how to drive"

I say "obviously you don't "

he says " I made it didn't I you punk ass white boy"

i kinds just sat there stunner like did that just happen? This motherfucker pulled the race card because he almost hit me twice.

Imagine if I had said "punk ass black boy" . I almost got out of the car but he wasn't worth it.

Anyways everyone knows I'm not racist, but I wanted to share this experience so that some I've argued with in the past see my point of view. Thus had nothing to so with color why resort to that defense?

[-EnVus-]

So bad apple and I are on the way up to acworth. We are driving down busbee pkwy when we hit traffic. About 20 cars back from a light we are just patiently waiting. About this time a black male in a suv come barrelling out of the apartment complex on our right and about clips our front end. No blinker no stopping . Anyways whatever no big deal. Well after about 30 seconds he throws his reverse lights on and backs up coming INCHES from our front end again. I honk the horn.

He says "shutup I know what I'm doing I know how to drive"

I say "obviously you don't "

he says " I made it didn't I you punk ass white boy"

i kinds just sat there stunner like did that just happen? This motherfucker pulled the race card because he almost hit me twice.

Imagine if I had said "punk ass black boy" . I almost got out of the car but he wasn't worth it.

Anyways everyone knows I'm not racist, but I wanted to share this experience so that some I've argued with in the past see my point of view. Thus had nothing to so with color why resort to that defense?
i bet you was like where is my whip:thinking:

Haven't you herd we are the new minority in this country is all struggles for us po ol crackers from here on....

[TIGERJC]

oh no mike did those words hurt you, I wonder what would happened or be said if a black person bitch every time on IA when something racial was said to them irl?

I know it upsets you, but just move on. Last week for instance I was called a Porch Monkey by a customer b/c I would not turn his service back on. Shit I lol when he said that, and it shocked the shit out of him.

[-EnVus-]

oh no mike did those words hurt you, I wonder what would happened or be said if a black person bitch every time on IA when something racial was said to them irl?

I know it upsets you, but just move on. Last week for instance I was called a Porch Monkey by a customer b/c I would not turn his service back on. Shit I lol when he said that, and it shocked the shit out of him.
did you fling it at him ?

[BanginJimmy]

We have known for a long time that race was a double standard that both sides use when it benefits them.

He tells you to just ignore it, but we all know what would happen if he was told to just ignore it.

[Revmaynard]

We have known for a long time that race was a double standard that both sides use when it benefits them.

He tells you to just ignore it, but we all know what would happen if he was told to just ignore it.



QFT.

[Vteckidd]

We have known for a long time that race was a double standard that both sides use when it benefits them.

He tells you to just ignore it, but we all know what would happen if he was told to just ignore it.

I was merely relaying an experience I just had . It didn't hurt me at all I was just sharing how I was called out on race for no reason. Like me being white had something to do with his shitty driving.

Many people on this forum said that blacks don't discriminate or aren't racial against whites, I just proved it happens.

Both side are bad IMO

[TIGERJC]

did you fling it at him ?

naw, but lol (The more upset you get the more I smile) at him owing 600 and crying that he knows the ceo of the company and I should turn his service back on is prolly what pissed him off

[Deke]

Sucky experience man. Shit like that will put me in a funk the rest of the day (not saying race related, just stupid people).

[Total_Blender]

When I worked in a call center, I got called every anti-Black slur you can imagine. "Uppity" was also used a lot. I am not Black, but I have been told that I have a speaking voice that sounds Black. It sucks to see the worst in people, but as White people it really doesn't affect us or have the same poignancy it would have to Blacks... who experience such treatment far more often.

Oh, and I'm back. Probably not for long.

[BanginJimmy]

Oh, and I'm back. Probably not for long.


I was hoping you drowned in the floods.

[Total_Blender]

I was hoping you drowned in the floods.

Its not a flood until animals start showing up in pairs.

[btstone]

So bad apple and I are on the way up to acworth. We are driving down busbee pkwy when we hit traffic. About 20 cars back from a light we are just patiently waiting. About this time a black male in a suv come barrelling out of the apartment complex on our right and about clips our front end. No blinker no stopping . Anyways whatever no big deal. Well after about 30 seconds he throws his reverse lights on and backs up coming INCHES from our front end again. I honk the horn.

He says "shutup I know what I'm doing I know how to drive"

I say "obviously you don't "

he says " I made it didn't I you punk ass white boy"

i kinds just sat there stunner like did that just happen? This motherfucker pulled the race card because he almost hit me twice.

Imagine if I had said "punk ass black boy" . I almost got out of the car but he wasn't worth it.

Anyways everyone knows I'm not racist, but I wanted to share this experience so that some I've argued with in the past see my point of view. Thus had nothing to so with color why resort to that defense?

i believe that black dude called it right:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[DieselNuts]

i kinds just sat there stunner

You sat there stunnin? No wonder he pulled the race card. He was jealous:D

[Vteckidd]

Spellin on iPhone sucks

[AirMax95]

Hmm.....

[Total_Blender]

Spellin on iPhone sucks

See also: Oligarhy :D

[bu villain]

First off, that guy was being an asshole....

However, the reason pointing out many minority's race is considered more innapropriate than doing the same to a white person is not because calling out someone's race is inherently racist (hell its a fact). It is because many minorities feel very sensitive about the issue due the history in this country. We should respect each others sensitivities whether we think they are reasonable or not. I feel like people need to relearn some things from kindergarten when things like this come up.

PS. Why is this in the political forum?

[Vteckidd]

my only point in this whole thread was that we have had discussion about race in here before.

Like i have always stated, there is an INCREDIBLE double standard when it comes to racism, or racial remarks.

This was a simple Traffic dispute, the guy was driving like a moron and almost hit me twice. All i said was "obviously you cant". Thats it, i didnt say DUMBASS or MOTHERFUCKER or IDIOT or flip him off or anything.

he turned around and called me a punk ass whiteboy. I can only imagine if i said "learn how to drive XXXXXXXX"

[Da_unknown]

he might off jump out his vehicle then... mike u know me, i deal with that shit everyday... i dont even let it get to me know more..

[Vteckidd]

he might off jump out his vehicle then... mike u know me, i deal with that shit everyday... i dont even let it get to me know more..

This was more of a point to other people that have been involved with discussion before.

It didnt bother me i just though wow, there was no reason for that.

[Da_unknown]

i do c ur point... and some people thing racism is over bs... it worst now.. and it really doesnt matter who says it... but ur right it does come to be a shock when it comes out of the blue like that..

[BanginJimmy]

First off, that guy was being an asshole....

However, the reason pointing out many minority's race is considered more innapropriate than doing the same to a white person is not because calling out someone's race is inherently racist (hell its a fact). It is because many minorities feel very sensitive about the issue due the history in this country. We should respect each others sensitivities whether we think they are reasonable or not. I feel like people need to relearn some things from kindergarten when things like this come up.

PS. Why is this in the political forum?


Political correctness is absolutely useless. All it ever does is crowd out free speech.

If you have sensitivities, get the sand out of your clit and grow the fuck up. As it is, I have every liberal on the planet calling me a racist because I dont blindly get in line with Obama. Maybe I should file a defamation lawsuit against Jimmy Carter and every other liberal that spouts off that BS.

[koukis14]

All this arguing just because black people can't drive.

[Andr3w]

Yeah that comment was stupid and pointless, but is always going to happen being white or black.

[neon_ert3]

so ur sayin the guy is racist because he called you a white boy ......?

i understand he cant fukn drive and was being a dick but to call him racist over a confrontation is kinda far fetched

[AirMax95]

so ur sayin the guy is racist because he called you a white boy ......?

i understand he cant fukn drive and was being a dick but to call him racist over a confrontation is kinda far fetched

I agree with you, but the double standard is in effect here though.

[quickdodge®]

so ur sayin the guy is racist because he called you a white boy ......?

i understand he cant fukn drive and was being a dick but to call him racist over a confrontation is kinda far fetched

If you have to resort to using racial epithets in a confrontation like that, then more than likely you've got a bit of racial inadequacies in you.

If I run out call some a "dumbass black boy" over just saying "dumbass motherfucker" or something like that, then you can reasonably assume I'm harboring a bit of dislike for them. That's just my thinking.

Driving for 400-500 miles a day 5 days a week, I run into idiot drivers of all sorts. It's never even crossed my mind to refer to race when I yell at another driver of another color. Or even say something to myself. So no, it's not far-fetched at all to think he might be a little racist. Later, QD.

[punkr6]

If you have to resort to using racial epithets in a confrontation like that, then more than likely you've got a bit of racial inadequacies in you.

If I run out call some a "dumbass black boy" over just saying "dumbass motherfucker" or something like that, then you can reasonably assume I'm harboring a bit of dislike for them. That's just my thinking.

Driving for 400-500 miles a day 5 days a week, I run into idiot drivers of all sorts. It's never even crossed my mind to refer to race when I yell at another driver of another color. Or even say something to myself. So no, it's not far-fetched at all to think he might be a little racist. Later, QD.

well put...

[bu villain]

Political correctness is absolutely useless. All it ever does is crowd out free speech.

If you have sensitivities, get the sand out of your clit and grow the fuck up. As it is, I have every liberal on the planet calling me a racist because I dont blindly get in line with Obama. Maybe I should file a defamation lawsuit against Jimmy Carter and every other liberal that spouts off that BS.


My point was that terms like "black" and "white" are not racist in themselves (unlike terms such as cracker, porch monkey, etc) but what's the purpose refering to someone in a way that you know will piss them off? It seems people are more concerned with turning every conversation into a free speech fight than in respecting others feelings.

Btw, I think Jimmy Carters comments were way out of line.

[Vteckidd]

I was just wondering what would have happened if i said "punk ass black boy"

I GUARANTEE he would have gotten out of his car and tried to kick my ass

[Justin51982]

I don't think "White" or "Caucasian" is the proper term. I prefer European-American

[AirMax95]

I was just wondering what would have happened if i said "punk ass black boy"

I GUARANTEE he would have gotten out of his car and tried to kick my ass


If you would have yelled 'punk ass' anything he probably would have tried to kick your ass. Angry people are just angry, just as stupid people are stupid; race doesn't matter.

If it was a white guy that yelled 'punk ass white boy', would you have been more shocked, lol? <------------That's a question, not a rebuttle.

[PSINXS]

great for poltiics how?

and u were so butt hurt o make a thread about being called a punk ass white boy?

GTFO. race card my ass. who cares? this shit happens everday. racism is not going anywhere so dont act so shocked. i had a redneck hold up his confederate flag to me when i was with my ex wife who was white. I lol'd. because racism is funny!!!! it just shows the ignorance of ppl. so y bother caring?

[Vteckidd]

^thats the response i was looking for.

White people - Just get over it

Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.


Thats pretty much what i gathered

[Justin51982]

^thats the response i was looking for.

White people - Just get over it

Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.


Thats pretty much what i gathered

x2

[quickdodge®]

^thats the response i was looking for.

White people - Just get over it

Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.


Thats pretty much what i gathered

x3. Later, QD.

[Justin51982]

I'ts just a doube standard that we as european-americans (that's my new term instead of white), have to sit back when we are treated with racism also.

Let me share a story, several years ago, my first year at Ga. Southern, I moved into an apartment complex that did roommate matching. Well they tried to pair me up with a black guy, he came down to the office to meet me, walked in, looked at me, then said, "Hell naw man, this ain't gonna work", then he walked out, left me and the leasing agent standing there.

Guess what, there was NOTHING I could do about that, but if the shoe was on the other foot, it would have been a big deal.

[S2KJD]

racism will never end cause there are idiots that continue to teach it to their young ones and so on and so on :cry:

you did the right thing by just letting it go and setting the example so props to you man :cheers:

ill rep ya tomorrow cause im out of them for this 24hrs:doh:

[AirMax95]

I'ts just a doube standard that we as european-americans (that's my new term instead of white), have to sit back when we are treated with racism also.

Let me share a story, several years ago, my first year at Ga. Southern, I moved into an apartment complex that did roommate matching. Well they tried to pair me up with a black guy, he came down to the office to meet me, walked in, looked at me, then said, "Hell naw man, this ain't gonna work", then he walked out, left me and the leasing agent standing there.

Guess what, there was NOTHING I could do about that, but if the shoe was on the other foot, it would have been a big deal.

SON OF A BITCH......Justin this is Tereance that had the green Accord. IIRC you had the purple Altima and lived in Garden District!

[GGPIS3]

should have went the other way pizza boy! roads closed!

[Justin51982]

If you would have yelled 'punk ass' anything he probably would have tried to kick your ass. Angry people are just angry, just as stupid people are stupid; race doesn't matter.

If it was a white guy that yelled 'punk ass white boy', would you have been more shocked, lol? <------------That's a question, not a rebuttle.

Thing is, a white boy wouldn't say that because it is a derogatory comment

[AirMax95]

racism will never end cause there are idiots that continue to teach it to their young ones and so on and so on :cry:

you did the right thing by just letting it go and setting the example so props to you man :cheers:

ill rep ya tomorrow cause im out of them for this 24hrs:doh:


I can agree 100% here. In that case letting it go is cool. Fuck the guy if he has issues, but if he had said "i'm not living with a punk ass white boy", I would hope something is said. Sure you can't arrest him, but he would have gotten some words. I dealt with SO MUCH SHIT at Georgia Southern, but only 2 personal instances really got under my skin and caused me to boil over.

I could care less about the race card, unless there is obvious abuse going on. One person comes to mind, Rush Limbaugh. He toots his "freedom of speech" in a negative connotation all the time. He slams all that is not white with racial slurs, even Obama. Al Sharpton has a similar demeanor, but he does not use slurs against people, he just calls all unjust acts racism.

Until America gets to the point where a houshold can educate their children properly on race, and why racism/bigotry/predjudice are NOT POSITIVE, then idiots will continue to flourish.

/end 2nd rant of the day in between data dumps:D

[AirMax95]

Thing is, a white boy wouldn't say that because it is a derogatory comment

:eek: I seriously don't hope you believe that to be true!

[quickdodge®]

Guess what, there was NOTHING I could do about that, but if the shoe was on the other foot, it would have been a big deal.

You could have done something. You chose not to. How is that double standard? Later, QD.

[Justin51982]

I can agree 100% here. In that case letting it go is cool. Fuck the guy if he has issues, but if he had said "i'm not living with a punk ass white boy", I would hope something is said. Sure you can't arrest him, but he would have gotten some words. I dealt with SO MUCH SHIT at Georgia Southern, but only 2 personal instances really got under my skin and caused me to boil over.

I could care less about the race card, unless there is obvious abuse going on. One person comes to mind, Rush Limbaugh. He toots his "freedom of speech" in a negative connotation all the time. He slams all that is not white with racial slurs, even Obama. Al Sharpton has a similar demeanor, but he does not use slurs against people, he just calls all unjust acts racism.

Until America gets to the point where a houshold can educate their children properly on race, and why racism/bigotry/predjudice are NOT POSITIVE, then idiots will continue to flourish.

/end 2nd rant of the day in between data dumps:D


Thing is man, just because YOU yourself, don't play the race card, which is awesome, but a lot of people do, and not just black people. So even though you are above all that, which is great, a lot of people aren't.

[Justin51982]

:eek: I seriously don't hope you believe that to be true!

In the connotation used, it was.

[quickdodge®]

a lot of people aren't.

That's the problem. Later, QD.

[LizBiz]

That's the problem. Later, QD. So what do we do about it?

[Justin51982]

So what do we do about it?

People don't know how to fix it, they just know how to complain about it!

[quickdodge®]

People don't know how to fix it, they just know how to complain about it!

It's an easy fix. Just no one wants to do it because they think that doing so will mean they have forgotten their past. Later, QD.

wonder if you'll respond to this post.

[Total_Blender]

It's an easy fix. Just no one wants to do it because they think that doing so will mean they have forgotten their past. .

Theres a difference between "forgetting it" and moving beyond it. And moving beyond it has as much to do with White people learning to deal with what they see as "oh noes... reverse racism!!1" as it does Black people and their history with racism.

The issue has as much do do with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk as it does Al Sharpton. When both of these idiots fail to draw attention, then we're getting somewhere. White people need to stop perpetuating the myth that we live in a "post racism society" and have an open dialogue about race, rather than the current strategy of smiply denying the issues exist.

[Justin51982]

Theres a difference between "forgetting it" and moving beyond it. And moving beyond it has as much to do with White people learning to deal with what they see as "oh noes... reverse racism!!1" as it does Black people and their history with racism.

The issue has as much do do with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk as it does Al Sharpton. When both of these idiots fail to draw attention, then we're getting somewhere. White people need to stop perpetuating the myth that we live in a "post racism society" and have an open dialogue about race, rather than the current strategy of smiply denying the issues exist.

Wow, you finally said something I don't disagree with. Good point

[quickdodge®]

Theres a difference between "forgetting it" and moving beyond it. And moving beyond it has as much to do with White people learning to deal with what they see as "oh noes... reverse racism!!1" as it does Black people and their history with racism.

I was being sarcastic. A lot of black folks don't want to just "shut up" about racism and just let it go. They say they don't want to forget about their past. I say it's not their past, but their ancestor's past and that just because you don't talk about it and work towards a better future, doesn't mean you forget the past.

And Justin, I called it didn't I? Later, QD.

[Total_Blender]

I was being sarcastic. A lot of black folks don't want to just "shut up" about racism and just let it go .

I don't think we have reached the point just yet where we can "just let it go". Theres a certain percentage of the country that cannot handle having a capable, competent Black man in a leadership role. I'm not saying that racism is the only source or reason behind the opposition to Obama, but I do know that many of his most vocal critics I have spoken to on the Right didn't protest this much when the Clinton's were talking healthcare. And I don't remember any posters of previous presidents photoshopped into African garb with bones through their noses.

[Justin51982]

Well there goes my one agreement with you. I knew it wouldn't last too long. :blah:

[BanginJimmy]

Theres a certain percentage of the country that cannot handle having a capable, competent Black man in a leadership role.

I need to know what "capable, competent, black man" you are talking about before I will comment.

I would also like to see your source for the "certain percentage".



I'm not saying that racism is the only source or reason behind the opposition to Obama, but I do know that many of his most vocal critics I have spoken to on the Right didn't protest this much when the Clinton's were talking healthcare.

Clintons healthcare bill never got as far as this one, and honestly, there are a hell of a lot more people talking politics now than ever.

It man also have something to do with quadrupling of the deficit with the run away spending. It may be that every speech he gives outside of the US he degrades this country, just look at his speech to the UN.




And I don't remember any posters of previous presidents photoshopped into African garb with bones through their noses.

Plenty of presidents have been photoshopped. Why would they not use an african theme for them? He does use the PC description of himself as a AFRICAN-American, whatever the hell that BS means.

[PSINXS]

^thats the response i was looking for.

White people - Just get over it

Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.


Thats pretty much what i gathered

how did u gather that black opinion from me? maybe u didnt fully read what i wrote. maybe i am misunderstanding your post but i said i dont give a fuck about racism because its always there. i am black and i laugh at it and keep it moving. i dont have time to worry about ignorant ass people.

[quickdodge®]

I don't think we have reached the point just yet where we can "just let it go". Theres a certain percentage of the country that cannot handle having a capable, competent Black man in a leadership role. I'm not saying that racism is the only source or reason behind the opposition to Obama, but I do know that many of his most vocal critics I have spoken to on the Right didn't protest this much when the Clinton's were talking healthcare. And I don't remember any posters of previous presidents photoshopped into African garb with bones through their noses.

My comment had nothing to do with Obama, more so than addressing why people won't let racism die.

Although I do think that racism has been brought out more to the forefront because of the election of the man. Black folks are quick to label anything negative a white man says about Obama as racist.

It's hard to talk about because it just doesn't make sense to me. I stress and stress equality and pro-mankind to my oldest children especially because they are of mixed races. I have them embrace their black and Japanese heritages as well as their white one. I help learn them of the past of the people they derive from. As far as I can tell, they've learned very well. Later, QD.

[PSINXS]

Thing is, a white boy wouldn't say that because it is a derogatory comment

a white boy wouldnt say a derogatory comment? wtf s going on in this thread? EVERY RACE SAYS FUCKED UP SHIT.

how about we all stop being so damn sensitive about race? Its words!!!! until i get jumped by the KKK or Neo Nazis, i dont have shit to complain about. ppl are always going to put u down based on race. damn a white person called me a ******. boohoo call jesse jackson. im not gonna cry about something that really dont hurt me. now touch me physically and tahts different. but a ignorant person yelling/saying/mouthing an epithet, so what. its nothing to figh over, and nothig to be upseta bout. laugh at their stupidity bcause they r the ones wasting their entire life being mad at a race that is NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WHITE OR BLACK or whatever race is beinghated on.

[PSINXS]

AFRICAN-American, whatever the hell that BS means.

thank god u said that. cuz if all blacks r african Americans, then all white people are european americans. its stupid. i was born here in the us. I am black and american. the end.

[Total_Blender]

Plenty of presidents have been photoshopped. Why would they not use an african theme for them? He does use the PC description of himself as a AFRICAN-American, whatever the hell that BS means.

Well since you asked for a source....


Let's say "Obama is elected to the presidency"....now what? Would this be the end of the USA as we know it? Could we ever recover ANY hope for a white dominated America again? Would total control go to the "minorities"? Would any of you think of becoming ex-patriots and moving to a whiter country?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=356529

I'm sure there are more... I'm not sure exactly how many tea party participants are racists as "are you a racist" is something thats difficult to poll. On my very short trip to Stormfront to get that quote for you, however, I did see that they have a sub-forum specifically for Tea Party discussion (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=198). I'm not saying... I'm just saying.

As far as the African American designation... it refers to W.E.B. DuBois' writing on double consciousness that I have posted and no one comprehended.

If you want to call yourself a caucasian, European American, a White Nationalist (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/), or whatever else... thats up to you.

If you want to tell people to "get over it" and to "let racism die" and any other potentially condescending mantra your heart desires, I have posted some hyper-links above where you could start. :goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

If you want to tell people to "get over it" and to "let racism die" and any other potentially condescending mantra your heart desires, I have posted some hyper-links above where you could start. :goodjob:

I'd like to know, honestly, why you won't/don't/whatever let racism die? It seems like t would be a miserable way to live to keep living worrying about what others say.

And I want to know why YOU won't let it die. Not sources or other people. Your reasoning as your own person.

And I ask this legitimately. My oldest daughter is mixed with a black lady and my oldest son is mixed with a Japanese lady so I am as open minded as you can get as far as this goes. Later, QD.

[BanginJimmy]

Well since you asked for a source....



http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=356529

I'm sure there are more... I'm not sure exactly how many tea party participants are racists as "are you a racist" is something thats difficult to poll. On my very short trip to Stormfront to get that quote for you, however, I did see that they have a sub-forum specifically for Tea Party discussion (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=198). I'm not saying... I'm just saying.

As far as the African American designation... it refers to W.E.B. DuBois' writing on double consciousness that I have posted and no one comprehended.

If you want to call yourself a caucasian, European American, a White Nationalist (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/), or whatever else... thats up to you.

If you want to tell people to "get over it" and to "let racism die" and any other potentially condescending mantra your heart desires, I have posted some hyper-links above where you could start. :goodjob:


you are actually going to use stormfront as your source?

Hell, if we are going to use nut jobs as a source, I gues i can use theobamaforum.com to show the real intelligence of his followers.

For example.

1. http://www.theobamaforum.com/showthread.php?t=1819


The truely sad thing is that people only see what they want to see.


If you want to stamp out racism, start with people like this. Then again, we already know you agree with them. http://www.theobamaforum.com/showthread.php?t=11418

[Total_Blender]

And I want to know why YOU won't let it die. Not sources or other people. Your reasoning as your own person.
.

I think that all people should engage racism wherever they find it. Blacks should work among themselves to fight racism within their own culture, and Whites should work to fight the racism within our culture. Whites should recognize that even though slavery ended in 1865, afterward Blacks continued to face a struggle with disenfranchisement, poverty, and exploitation. It is only recent history within which Blacks were guaranteed their civil rights, and factors leading to underachievement among Blacks can be directly traced to the inequalities of the past.

I think that we still have a way to go until equality among the races is realized, and to that effect we need to examine things like poor performance among predominantly Black inner city schools and the socialogical factors as to why these schools do not perform to the same standard as predominantly White schools. The same with poverty among minorities. In areas where data shows disadvantages along racial lines, we should do what we can (within reason) to assist in making things equal.

[quickdodge®]

I think that we still have a way to go until equality among the races is realized,

The thing is is that this is such an easy fix, yet no one wants to do it...for some reason. All one has to do is realize that all races are still people. And all people are/should be treated equally.


and to that effect we need to examine things like poor performance among predominantly Black inner city schools and the socialogical factors as to why these schools do not perform to the same standard as predominantly White schools. The same with poverty among minorities. In areas where data shows disadvantages along racial lines, we should do what we can (within reason) to assist in making things equal.

I agree in that everyone should help make everywhere a safe, equal environment for everyone. Schools, the workplace, everywhere should be coexistent. When my grandparents first moved into the house I'm in now, it was 100% white. This was THE neighborhood to live in. Now, 35 years later, it is probably about 50-60% black. I moved back in here and the neighborhood as far as quality was still the same as it had been for the past 35 years. A few other long time residents had their homes for sale and they told me specifically because of all the black folks moving in. They live by the "there goes the neighborhood" credo when the black folks started coming in. Yet the neighborhood went nowhere. It's still just perfect and peaceful as it was growing up in here.

I don't know, man. I just think people live to make other people (and their own damn selves) miserable. Later, QD.

[Justin51982]

The thing is is that this is such an easy fix, yet no one wants to do it...for some reason. All one has to do is realize that all races are still people. And all people are/should be treated equally.



I agree in that everyone should help make everywhere a safe, equal environment for everyone. Schools, the workplace, everywhere should be coexistent. When my grandparents first moved into the house I'm in now, it was 100% white. This was THE neighborhood to live in. Now, 35 years later, it is probably about 50-60% black. I moved back in here and the neighborhood as far as quality was still the same as it had been for the past 35 years. A few other long time residents had their homes for sale and they told me specifically because of all the black folks moving in. They live by the "there goes the neighborhood" credo when the black folks started coming in. Yet the neighborhood went nowhere. It's still just perfect and peaceful as it was growing up in here.

I don't know, man. I just think people live to make other people (and their own damn selves) miserable. Later, QD.


I agree with you, just because someone moves in is culturally diverse, doesn't mean that the neighborhood is going down.

I do want to point out that you mentioned some of the people who have been there 35 years wer selling their houses for the reason that black people have been moving in.

Honestly, that generation view things differently, and although a lot of younger people still facilitate hate and racism, it is getting a lot better with each generation.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and equality is getting better, and does with each generation. We are still a long way off where things should be, but we have also come a long way from the 1940's and 50's.

[LokiSays]

Wow that is pure fucked up!

[Justin51982]

Wow that is pure fucked up!

which part?

[bu villain]

It's interesting to see some of the posts that claim white people feel this way about racism while black people feel that way. Such statements are racist in themselves since you are stating that all blacks/whites feel the same as every other person in their race.

The fact of the matter is all races have racists within them and all races have a variety of different feelings on how it should be handled. We shouldn't ignore racism against anyone...period...it should be condemned. Of course, its not always clear when racism is occuring which leads to disputes.

In regards to the original post, racism against a white person does not excuse or justify racism against black people. Just because the OP handled his situation maturely and SOME people (regardless of race) would not doesn't say anything except about the two people involved in that particular incident. Please don't try to turn it into "look how mature white people are with racism while black people are immature hypocrits." It's not going to make anything better.

BTW, I am not specifically talking about anyone in this thread.

[patrick4588]

ppl are different colors?

[AirMax95]

It's interesting to see some of the posts that claim white people feel this way about racism while black people feel that way. Such statements are racist in themselves since you are stating that all blacks/whites feel the same as every other person in their race.

The fact of the matter is all races have racists within them and all races have a variety of different feelings on how it should be handled. We shouldn't ignore racism against anyone...period...it should be condemned. Of course, its not always clear when racism is occuring which leads to disputes.

In regards to the original post, racism against a white person does not excuse or justify racism against black people. Just because the OP handled his situation maturely and SOME people (regardless of race) would not doesn't say anything except about the two people involved in that particular incident. Please don't try to turn it into "look how mature white people are with racism while black people are immature hypocrits." It's not going to make anything better.

BTW, I am not specifically talking about anyone in this thread.

That's what I got from majority of this thread.

[tony]

^thats the response i was looking for.

White people - Just get over it

Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.


Thats pretty much what i gathered

Mike that is far from the truth, what you are responding to here is no different than when someone says blacks need to get over slavery (which I have heard from a few people in this thread) like racism doesn't exist. It absolutely does on both sides, the dude who disrespected you needs to be pulled to the side and corrected. You making this thread helps because it opens up dialog about the subject but people make a mockery of this subject anyway which is why progress on race is slow.

[quickdodge®]

when someone says blacks need to get over slavery (which I have heard from a few people in this thread) like racism doesn't exist.

You, it seems, like most other black folks I talk to about this, take this way out of context. You look for at me saying that pessimistically. Folks don't take the time to think through and think about what I'm saying. You see it word for word, don't think about it and form your own conclusion to what I am REALLY saying. I understand the sensitivity of the subject, but everyone needs to sit back and look at all angles.

That's a problem too. And it surprises me on you because I know you're a smart dude and it seems like you would think things through. Later, QD.

[BanginJimmy]

people make a mockery of this subject anyway which is why progress on race is slow.

I disagree. Progress is slow because you constantly have someone (race doesnt matter, agenda does) dropping the race card. You can look at the news any day for the last 6 months and you see someone else saying race is why people hate Obama (only using this as an example because we are in the politics section). After that, you have the media giving legitimacy to the baseless claims by even reporting on it. Then you have people calling it the BS that it is, and they are dumped on as being a racist or an uncle tom. It goes back and forth all the time.

Then we can get into organizations and websites like stormfront and the nbpp. Neither of these organizations serve a legitimate purpose, yet we as a nation constantly give them the legitimacy they crave. Obama did it when he accepted their endorsement, then again when he pardoned the 3 that were at the polls in Philly. On the other side, Strom Thurmond validated the white nationalist movement on a fairly routine basis.

Race means absolutely nothing to 99.99% of the people in this country. Until people actually start living their lives with that knowledge, progress will NEVER be made.

[bu villain]

^^^ I agree that calling out racism when there is none marginalizes legitimate racism issues. But we can't let those times stop us from addressing when there is actual racism. Additionally there is some grey areas where someone's motivations are not always clear so we should try to reserve judgement in those cases until we have as many facts as possible.

Take for example the issue of to what extent do blacks have a harder path to success than whites. From what I can tell, on some instances they may have an easier path at times due to political correctness, affirmative action type programs, quotas and whatnot. But in others they may have a harder path, blatant racism, subliminal racism, peer pressure not to appear "white" etc. There is plenty of evidence for both sides so to speak so absolutely about all black people's having an equal/unequal path to success is misguided.

[bu villain]

Race means absolutely nothing to 99.99% of the people in this country. Until people actually start living their lives with that knowledge, progress will NEVER be made.

While I seriously doubt the legitimacy of your statistic. I've had many experiences where people say they have no problems with other races and anyone who knew them would agree they are even the exact opposite of racist, almost everyone at some point says something that is racist. People don't even realize they hold a racist belief much of the time. "Black people are great athletes", "white people are more timid", etc. However, I absolutely agree that you should never assume someone is being racist without strong evidence to the contrary.

[quickdodge®]

While I seriously doubt the legitimacy of your statistic. I've had many experiences where people say they have no problems with other races and anyone who knew them would agree they are even the exact opposite of racist, almost everyone at some point says something that is racist. People don't even realize they hold a racist belief much of the time. "Black people are great athletes", "white people are more timid", etc. However, I absolutely agree that you should never assume someone is being racist without strong evidence to the contrary.

There is a difference between racism and stereotyping. Saying "black people are great athletes" is a stereotype. Not a racist comment. Later, QD.

[bu villain]

There is a difference between racism and stereotyping. Saying "black people are great athletes" is a stereotype. Not a racist comment. Later, QD.

Technically you are correct. Racism is about believing that race determines traits/capabilities of a person. But stereotypes such as these are often (though not always) born out of racism even if it is not conscious racism. Black people are naturally good runners (racist) which is why they are so good at sports (stereotype).

[BanginJimmy]

Technically you are correct. Racism is about believing that race determines traits/capabilities of a person. But stereotypes such as these are often (though not always) born out of racism even if it is not conscious racism. Black people are naturally good runners (racist) which is why they are so good at sports (stereotype).


Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. It has nothing to do with abilities.

All of your examples are stereotyping, not racism.

[Justin51982]

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. It has nothing to do with abilities.

All of your examples are stereotyping, not racism.

I actually have to disagree with this, even though saying that "all blacks are good runners" or "all asians are good at math" or "all mexicans are great at landscaping" even though there may have a positive connotation to these statements, they are still stereotyping. Stereotypes can be both positive and negative but aren't necessarily accurate.

Are all black people good runner? Are all Asians good at math? Maybe some are, but not all.

[blackboi50]

politics :thinking:....1

[BanginJimmy]

I actually have to disagree with this, even though saying that "all blacks are good runners" or "all asians are good at math" or "all mexicans are great at landscaping" even though there may have a positive connotation to these statements, they are still stereotyping. Stereotypes can be both positive and negative but aren't necessarily accurate.

Are all black people good runner? Are all Asians good at math? Maybe some are, but not all.


So what dont you agree with?

[Justin51982]

So what dont you agree with?

you said, "Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. It has nothing to do with abilities."

All those things are abilities people might have, so it has to do with what you said as well as categorizing people based on a races sterotypical abilities, it is still racism

[Justin51982]

Jimmy,

You know you and I are pretty much always on the same page, it could be possible that I am just misinterpreting what I am reading

[tony]

Jimmy,

You know you and I are pretty much always on the same page, it could be possible that I am just misinterpreting what I am reading

I think you said it right when you mentioned prejudices, but prejudice is just as ignorant as racism.

[BanginJimmy]

but prejudice is just as ignorant as racism.

I agree completely.

[tony]

Technically you are correct. Racism is about believing that race determines traits/capabilities of a person. But stereotypes such as these are often (though not always) born out of racism even if it is not conscious racism. Black people are naturally good runners (racist) which is why they are so good at sports (stereotype).


You know what though and I was talking to my fiance about this the other day and I really appreciate you saying that. Your bolded statement.. while spewing from someone else not as educated as yourself would be prejudice the statement itself does lead back to racism and the state of blacks today, and the reason why there does need to be a discussion and understanding of the past.

"Blacks are naturally good runners," well yeah, on the surface that is absolutely true, of course there are exceptions but generally you look at the demographics of the NFL and the NBA and you see that typically the most athletic and the strongest physically are typically black. But to understand the backbone of that statement requires an understanding of slavery and how blacks were treated in that time.

Being brought over from Africa and conditioning for slavery blacks were basically bred to be a certain way physically. For instance, high blood pressure in blacks today.. well the only slaves that actually survived coming over here were the ones who were able to retain water which meant they had a high level of salt in their blood in turn this became an evolutionary factor in blacks.

Back to the running thing, the weakest slaves were killed. They were useless so they didn't survive.. the physically strong were the ones left. The white slaveowners didn't know it at the time but they evolved an entire race within this country faster than their own. Equate it to the movie 300, how the Spartans only kept the strongest and the weakest never made it to adulthood.

The difference is, physically blacks evolved but mentally blacks regressed. Doesn't matter how strong you are if you are not of sound mind. This is why you see bankrupt black athletes today, while 90% of the team owners are not black. I was reading a story the other day that 75% of black athletes end up bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the sport in which they participate. Granted a proper upbringing would help remedy the problem but a look at the bigger picture, the past gives you a simple explanation.

Racism, prejudice, the dark history of this country.. all has to be engaged rather than sweeping it under the rug, with that engagement comes a clearer understanding and empathy for both sides.. And if you're one of those that feel you need to quote my every paragraph and rebut it, i wrote this to inform.. listen rather than respond.

Strangely, the dude who hit the nail on the head came from the least likely source. I was watching inside the actor's studio and saw this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljuPtyYKuWY

[tony]

Well since you asked for a source....





As far as the African American designation... it refers to W.E.B. DuBois' writing on double consciousness that I have posted and no one comprehended.




Nice mention of double consciousness, another subject I would know nothing about had I not studied it in depth, I've lived it but didn't understand it academically. It's either nobody comprehended or nobody cared.. I'm leaning toward the latter, they would rather rebut and debate.

[neon_ert3]

uhh wow, its gotten crazy in here. im gonna post my points and take my ass to sleep.

im a black guy. i am by no means a racist. most of my closest friends are white and so is my girlfriend. if i get into an argument on the road and its a white guy chances are im gonna say something like punk ass white boy. am i sayin this out of hate for the white community? do i hate white ppl and the leader of the black panthers now? no. in this case i beleive u could have said anything and the guy would have wanted to fight. you coulda been black and the outcome would still be the same. i dont see y ur so hurt about this comment and dont say ur not cuz if u wasnt it would have been eating at you so bad to where u had to make a thread of your "racist" experience. shit the way i see it there wont be any black or whites 100 years from now cuz im fukn farmer johns daughter and shes having my baby :yes::idb::goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

Damn, Tony. I hate when you ignore my posts. Later, QD.

[stephen]

VTECKIDD...in all seriousness....what's your point? don't get me wrong, while i understand that this is a 'legitimate' issue, it's apparent that you're only digging for something negative. hell...it took you a few pages/post to get someone to "say what you're looking for" (your words...not mine).

you don't give a damn about racism as a topic or discussion. you only wish to perpetuate the issue, by joining the same group (black & white) that you pretend to have such disdain for. you said it yourself, you were looking for the attention of [black] people on this forum who have complaints about racism towards black people.

while i do agree that knowledge starts with ignorance....you're pushing the envelope, and it's a little insulting.

[Total_Blender]

Nice mention of double consciousness, another subject I would know nothing about had I not studied it in depth, I've lived it but didn't understand it academically. .

I can't say that I have lived my life in the double consciousness of a Black person, but I know what its like to feel like you can't be fully integrated with a group because I've had experiences like that being an atheist in a family/culture dominated by Christians.

For those who don't understand "African American," history is not the same for everyone... if you read John C. Calhoun and Fredrick Douglass you'll see two wildly different accounts of the same time period and the same events. Its not that either one or the other is wrong, its that their accounts are shaped by their own unique beliefs and preceptions. The problem is that as a culture, we tend to try to roll up history into a cohesive package we can put into a single textbook. And since our society has a White/Male/Christian majority that is usually reflected in the finished product.

The Black experience of history and what it means to be Black is left for Blacks to discuss amongst themselves for the most part, and thats what double consciousness is about. Having built a culture for themselves that was seperate from America's dominant social/political culture for most of America's history (400 years if you counting the time since the first slaves were brought to the British colony of Jamestown in 1607) save the past 40 years when they were guaranteed equal rights.

History is not a single cohesive narrative, and we are not a single cohesive people. The way to become more cohesive, is to examine the narratives outside the mainstream. Rather than asking Black people to "get over it," we should examine their narrative and the culture they have created for themselves and consider that before passing judgement.

I don't agree with Al Sharpton or Jessee Jackson, but I do believe that they are just as entitled to their opinions and their rights to free speech as the White people I disagree with like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

[Justin51982]

I think we should start a new thread with a new topic.

Maybe something about how the flood is being handled. Maybe I will start that if I get a few extra minutes.

[bu villain]

I'm not going to respond to the comments on racism versus stereotyping in effort to keep on topic. Instead I will rephrase my idea in a hopefully unambiguous way...

Enough people (of pretty much every race) have at least some racist/stereotypical/etc viewpoints, often unconsciously, to have an effect on the opportunities of an individuals success. The effect is not the same for all races or on all individuals within that race.

[civillac]

Racism is such a thing of the past now-a-days. we dont have segregation anymore, we dont have slavery. Its just like hitler in germany ( kind of ) its just best too not talk about it. but while were on the subject why in school do they have the asian club, or the black club, what about the united negro foundation? those are racist organizations that when it comes to the bottom line they judge by race. if i were to start a white club it would automatically be labeled as racism but you still have the asain club and there not considered racist. why is this? because its a bullshit subject that is 40 yrs old. time too move on..

and as for the word ******. i know it was slang back in the slave days as a insult to the black race but why do young black men say it all the time. if your so offended by the word then you shouldnt promote it you dumb fuck words have the same meanings no matter whos mouth they come out of.

I remember asking the same question to group of black boys when i was riding the bus, they kept saying it over and over after every sentence so i turned around and asked if its so offensive why do you call each other by that name and why is it so different for me too say it...you know what there response was...cause im black and your white...needless to say i ended up getting into a couple fights that school year because everyone thought i was racist...my best friend was black how could i had been racist? im done with this subject its stupid anyways

[civillac]

I actually have to disagree with this, even though saying that "all blacks are good runners" or "all asians are good at math" or "all mexicans are great at landscaping" even though there may have a positive connotation to these statements, they are still stereotyping. Stereotypes can be both positive and negative but aren't necessarily accurate.

Are all black people good runner? Are all Asians good at math? Maybe some are, but not all.

idk there are alot of smart asians out there. did you know that its a disgrace to your family in japan to flunk school. there are suicides every year over report cards. there too rough on those kids

[AirMax95]

Racism is such a thing of the past now-a-days. we dont have segregation anymore, we dont have slavery. Its just like hitler in germany ( kind of ) its just best too not talk about it. but while were on the subject why in school do they have the asian club, or the black club, what about the united negro foundation? those are racist organizations that when it comes to the bottom line they judge by race. if i were to start a white club it would automatically be labeled as racism but you still have the asain club and there not considered racist. why is this? because its a bullshit subject that is 40 yrs old. time too move on..

Read history. In regards to "black clubs" - Black Student Alliance, NPHC, BGLO's, NSBE, NABA, etc.......all started because at the time, white socities did not allow african american/black participation. Black fraternities, black universities, black gov't all started becuase whites did not allow black folks. There is no racism in those orgs; never have they turned away any other race, creed, or color for admission. They don't feel they are better, they do not spread hate, they don't really give two shits. What they DO care about it uplifting people, community service, youth empowerment, and ensuring people had a brotherhood/sisterhood where they were accepted.

Still to this day, if a black person trys to join a few of the "white" social/greek frat/soror, they are 1) turned away on BS, 2) accepted, which leads to national headquarters shunning the chapter.


There is a difference, but people fail to understand cultures, and why certain things are they way they are. Starting a "White" something is being ignorant and not looking as to the reasons why black, asian, hispanic groups were formed.

[bu villain]

You know what though (rest of post ommited due to length)

Ok I had to respond to this one because this is exactly what I am talking about. You obviously are educated and intelligent but here are three reasons I believe this is prejudiced thinking:

1. You assumed physical conditions were the sole decider for survival. Intelligence could have been used to avoid death for example. Smaller people require less food to survive, etc. Remember, slaves were cooks, nannies, other house servants and served many other purposes than just laboring in the fields.

2. A vast majority of whites during those times were also extremely poor manual laborers and there was relatively little upward mobility (ie., most of the time their sons and grandsons would also be manual laborers). Since the number of such white people would outnumber the slave population, they should be close to equally represented in the physical arena today.

3. Even if your logic was 100% correct, you are describing only a percentage of black people. In reality we have almost no idea if a black person on the street today or in the NFL for that matter decended from African slaves (unless they know their heritage and inform you of it). In America we have had continuous African immigration since after the fall of slavery.

So while your analysis does has some effect on today's population of blacks...I would say it is probably minimal and doesnt come near to accounting for the discrepency in their representation in sports. It's much more likely that social/cultural factors play a much bigger role than genetics (think about the number of black ice hockey players for example).

[civillac]

You know what though and I was talking to my fiance about this the other day and I really appreciate you saying that. Your bolded statement.. while spewing from someone else not as educated as yourself would be prejudice the statement itself does lead back to racism and the state of blacks today, and the reason why there does need to be a discussion and understanding of the past.

"Blacks are naturally good runners," well yeah, on the surface that is absolutely true, of course there are exceptions but generally you look at the demographics of the NFL and the NBA and you see that typically the most athletic and the strongest physically are typically black. But to understand the backbone of that statement requires an understanding of slavery and how blacks were treated in that time.

Being brought over from Africa and conditioning for slavery blacks were basically bred to be a certain way physically. For instance, high blood pressure in blacks today.. well the only slaves that actually survived coming over here were the ones who were able to retain water which meant they had a high level of salt in their blood in turn this became an evolutionary factor in blacks.

Back to the running thing, the weakest slaves were killed. They were useless so they didn't survive.. the physically strong were the ones left. The white slaveowners didn't know it at the time but they evolved an entire race within this country faster than their own. Equate it to the movie 300, how the Spartans only kept the strongest and the weakest never made it to adulthood.

The difference is, physically blacks evolved but mentally blacks regressed. Doesn't matter how strong you are if you are not of sound mind. This is why you see bankrupt black athletes today, while 90% of the team owners are not black. I was reading a story the other day that 75% of black athletes end up bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the sport in which they participate. Granted a proper upbringing would help remedy the problem but a look at the bigger picture, the past gives you a simple explanation.

Racism, prejudice, the dark history of this country.. all has to be engaged rather than sweeping it under the rug, with that engagement comes a clearer understanding and empathy for both sides.. And if you're one of those that feel you need to quote my every paragraph and rebut it, i wrote this to inform.. listen rather than respond.

Strangely, the dude who hit the nail on the head came from the least likely source. I was watching inside the actor's studio and saw this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljuPtyYKuWY

in other words evolution through the years? makes sense ive thought the same before and it makes total sense

[civillac]

your right about the creation of the organization but if a white person tried to join that group the same thing would happen, which is why i said racism is bullshit to begin with.

and why dont they change the name? black people have the same opportunities as anyone else why should there be a united negro foundation why dont they change it too united people foundation? because they believe that blacks should only be allowed to use the fund this is racism plan and simple we dont live in the 60s no more. there is not need for a united negro foundation or any race oriented group when you have colleges that already provide funds for anyone.

no matter what you can not deny that those organizations are considered racist and if i tried to join a black club they would say no, why because im white. racism pure and simple. now there is a fine line between Nazism and racist
Nazism is groups like the KKK, or obviously the nazi party. both think they are superior to other races
Racism is discrimination , judgment, and categorizing of people by skin color.

Im sorry but any group that turns someone away because of skin color is a racially ran organization . that includes every asian club, latino club, all of them are racist. and will always be considered racist, because they categorize people by skin color and will only allow that certain skin tone to be admitted into the organization. that is what i like to call blind racism, they dont see how racist they are

[bu villain]

words have the same meanings no matter whos mouth they come out of.

So if someone says "That man is sexy", it has the same meaning to you whether or not they are a man or a woman? "Crying children should be beat" should be responded to the same way whether a teenage or a parent of a young child says it? The person making a statement and the context of the situation cannot be removed from interpretation.

[bu villain]

in other words evolution through the years? makes sense ive thought the same before and it makes total sense

Didn't read my post huh?

[AirMax95]

this is true but that was long ago why havent they changed the name to united people fund?

Twist the question, why SHOULD it be changed?

[civillac]

i was saying if they dont want to be considered a racist group change the name, and hey if you think im sexy thanks man i feel better about my self..
you child beater!:eek:

[AirMax95]

your right about the creation of the organization but if a white person tried to join that group the same thing would happen, which is why i said racism is bullshit to begin with.
and why dont they change the name? black people have the same opportunities as anyone else why should there be a united negro foundation why dont they change it too united people foundation? because they believe that blacks should only be allowed to use the fund this is racism plan and simple we dont live in the 60s no more. there is not need for a united negro foundation or any race oriented group when you have colleges that already provide funds for anyone.

no matter what you can not deny that those organizations are considered racist and if i tried to join a black club they would say no, why because im white. racism pure and simple. now there is a fine line between Nazism and racist
Nazism is groups like the KKK, or obviously the nazi party. both think they are superior to other races
Racism is discrimination , judgment, and categorizing of people by skin color.

Im sorry but any group that turns someone away because of skin color is a racially ran organization . that includes every asian club, latino club, all of them are racist. and will always be considered racist, because they categorize people by skin color and will only allow that certain skin tone to be admitted into the organization. that is what i like to call blind racism, they dont see how racist they are

Not true.....Whites and hispanics have joined the NAACP, National Society of Black Engineers, Black Greek Letter Organization, etc.....

You are assuming sir, and you clearly do not understand racism.

Let me school you just a little bit more:

Q: Does UNCF only support African American education?
A:UNCF was founded to address inequities in the educational opportunities afforded to African Americans. UNCF believes in higher education opportunities for all Americans. UNCF-member schools do not discriminate and UNCF-administered scholarships are open to all.

Q: What is the relationship between UNCF and its member colleges?
A: UNCF was founded by the presidents of private historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) to make a collective appeal for support to the nation on their behalf. Today, 39 HBCUs belong to UNCF. UNCF provides member institutions with operating support that (a) enables them to keep academic programs strong and tuitions affordable, and (b) provides last-dollar scholarships to help students overcome the financial barriers to attending college.

Q: Do students have to attend a UNCF-member college to receive financial support?
A:No. UNCF provides support to students at approximately 900 colleges across the country—including almost all public and private historically black colleges and universities—and other schools including Harvard, Princeton and MIT.

You see, I have been down this road, discuss it everyday, and have argued both sides because at one point I did not understand. Anyone can access all "black" orgs and societies.

The extreme is the New Black Panther Party (like the KKK), and orgs like it. If you ain't black you are not getting in, and if you are not black enough you aint getting in, lol.

Seriously, research the countless articles and discussion on the topic. The names of these historical institutions, socities and funds will not change due to what they stand for.


i was saying if they dont want to be considered a racist group change the name, and hey if you think im sexy thanks man i feel better about my self..
you child beater!:eek:

Perception based off ignorance of the subject at hand......

[Total_Blender]

Read history. In regards to "black clubs" - Black Student Alliance, NPHC, BGLO's, NSBE, NABA, etc.......all started because at the time, white socities did not allow african american/black participation. Black fraternities, black universities, black gov't all started becuase whites did not allow black folks. .

Very true, and I seriously doubt a White person who really wanted to associate with these groups would be turned away. This person, of course, would probably have to approach said group in good faith and not in the spirit of being condescending/trying to prove a point.

And most of these groups that I have seen are all about being open to other races. The ones here on campus are always having events that are open to all. Most of these events have food, movies, art, etc and its usually free.

This is a topic that always gets brought up during these discussions... "how come Blacks can have Black ______ ". And really, these things are not about having a group thats "Blacks Only," as much as they are about having a forum that addresses concerns unique to the Black experience. I know there are a lot of historically Black colleges that are now admitting White students.

[quickdodge®]

I know there are a lot of historically Black colleges that are now admitting White students.

Yessir. I can't count how many seminars I've been to over at the AUC in Spelman and Morehouse. Saw a few white folks, but it was few and far between that were students. Later, QD.

[Austin?]

OMG what is this thead turning into?

[AirMax95]

I know there are a lot of historically Black colleges that are now admitting White students.

From what I have studied, they always have. Like you said, the person has to inquire and want it.

[BanginJimmy]

I dont care about black colleges or organizations. If people prefer to hang around their own race, then more power to them. I know MANY people that prefer to only hang around people that share a similar back ground. For those people though, race isnt the deciding factor, its religion.

My issue is with the double standard. Imagine if McCain had this endorsement during the presidential campaign. Do you think he would have gotten the nomination or gathered 45% of the popular vote?



Obama had the endorsement of the NBPP, which is no different in substance than a white nationalist's endorsement. The difference lies only in race. In this country it is perfectly OK to be openly racist, just so long as you are not white.

How do you think the nation would have reacted if one of the poll watchers in bumfuck Alabama was dressed up in his KKK gear? Yet, outside of Fox, NBPP members with clubs at a polling place was nothing more than a passing remark.

The list of double standards goes on and on. Does this change what happened in the past? No, I know that the Jim Crow laws and the "separate but equal" laws represented the worst side of the US, but its time to forgive and move on. Giving legitimacy to these types of organizations only empowers them. Giving them any kind of voice empowers them. Empowering them allows them to attract a new group of impressionable people to spread their hate to. So I ask, when does it stop?

[bu villain]

For the forseeable future there will be racists and racist groups. As long as we have free thought and free speech, these people and groups will continue to exist and practice their racism. It is an unfortunate reality but that we must tolerate it if we believe on those free thought/expression principles. I think the best way to fight it is with education and respectful discourse. Telling someone they are stupid or that they should "just get over it" is not likely to change anyone's mind.

In regards to the double standard people are talking about, it's like a pendulum. We were too far to one side with racism and now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way. Hopefully it will eventually settle in the middle where there is no discrimination from either side.

[TallGuy]

So bad apple and I are on the way up to acworth. We are driving down busbee pkwy when we hit traffic. About 20 cars back from a light we are just patiently waiting. About this time a black male in a suv come barrelling out of the apartment complex on our right and about clips our front end. No blinker no stopping . Anyways whatever no big deal. Well after about 30 seconds he throws his reverse lights on and backs up coming INCHES from our front end again. I honk the horn.

He says "shutup I know what I'm doing I know how to drive"

I say "obviously you don't "

he says " I made it didn't I you punk ass white boy"

i kinds just sat there stunner like did that just happen? This motherfucker pulled the race card because he almost hit me twice.

Imagine if I had said "punk ass black boy" . I almost got out of the car but he wasn't worth it.

Anyways everyone knows I'm not racist, but I wanted to share this experience so that some I've argued with in the past see my point of view. Thus had nothing to so with color why resort to that defense?

Just got to live with it man. You would not believe how many times a day I get called a cracker because of my job.

[Total_Blender]

You would not believe how many times a day I get called a cracker because of my job.

I used to get called an "uppity N _ _ _ ER" at one of my past jobs at least once a week. When you turn someone down for a loan or a credit card over the phone, you really get to see their worst side. For the record, I'm not even Black. I guess people hear a deep voice over the phone telling them "no" and then they project the identity they resent the most onto it. :screwy::lmfao:

[quickdodge®]

I get called cracker all the time by black folks. And I'm white! Later, QD.

[Kevykev]

I get called cracker all the time by black folks. And I'm white! Later, QD.

:lmfao::lmfao:


I'm from South America, most people just assume I'm black from N. America.

When I speak to people on the phone they think I'm a 35 year old cr...White Man.

People all make assumptions

I have never called a white peson cracker, I have never been called a NiNINENINEer (at least not to my face or around me)


People that are racist, prejudice usually have some for of self hatred, very unhappy life etc. etc. so to take someone like that seriously is slapping your own self in the face.

[VIP Style]

how was this a race card thing? he just called you a punkass white boy, big deal. I am glad that you didnt get out of the car because you never know what type of shit somebody could pull on you. he could have shot your ass.
So bad apple and I are on the way up to acworth. We are driving down busbee pkwy when we hit traffic. About 20 cars back from a light we are just patiently waiting. About this time a black male in a suv come barrelling out of the apartment complex on our right and about clips our front end. No blinker no stopping . Anyways whatever no big deal. Well after about 30 seconds he throws his reverse lights on and backs up coming INCHES from our front end again. I honk the horn.

He says "shutup I know what I'm doing I know how to drive"

I say "obviously you don't "

he says " I made it didn't I you punk ass white boy"

i kinds just sat there stunner like did that just happen? This motherfucker pulled the race card because he almost hit me twice.

Imagine if I had said "punk ass black boy" . I almost got out of the car but he wasn't worth it.

Anyways everyone knows I'm not racist, but I wanted to share this experience so that some I've argued with in the past see my point of view. Thus had nothing to so with color why resort to that defense?

[quickdodge®]

how was this a race card thing?

You don't have to be so defensive, man. You know if you use (or someone uses against you) a color reference to another, then you're using it to incite more hostility. You're using it as a weapon. If I told you to "get your black ass out of my house" as opposed to "get your ass out of my house," you would be a bit more mad.

Now I'm not guaranteeing that is always the case, but I will bet that it is at 90% of it. Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

I get where you are coming from, but it doesnt seem too racially motivated to me. he was smart to keep his head and not approach that guys vehicle though. folks nowadays are crazy, and will give it to you quick.
You don't have to be so defensive, man. You know if you use (or someone uses against you) a color reference to another, then you're using it to incite more hostility. You're using it as a weapon. If I told you to "get your black ass out of my house" as opposed to "get your ass out of my house," you would be a bit more mad.

Now I'm not guaranteeing that is always the case, but I will bet that it is at 90% of it. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

I get where you are coming from, but it doesnt seem too racially motivated to me. he was smart to keep his head and not approach that guys vehicle though. folks nowadays are crazy, and will give it to you quick.

With the way the OP described what the guy did (how he was driving) and what he said, it sounds racially charged to me, but who know, you know. And I agree with OP not stepping out of the car. Later, QD.