install 2nd OS on second sata SSD drive

[civicturbo10]

Old setup:
Built by self. P4 with win 2k, worked flawless with all apps. For problems that arose that i could not figure out reinstall latest ghost image, done no more problems. Up and ready in 20-30 min flat, all apps. and config done. Only had to preform 1 or twice per year, tops. Chugged along very well..... Which brings us to current setup below....


Current setup:
Core I7 rig
Vista 64 bit installed on SSD (solid state drive) drive. Only 1 drive currently. PC built by self.

Problem:
Older 32 bit apps. won't install in vista 64 bit even though vista emulator (whatever you wanna call it) supposedly auto runs / user configures to allow install. Tried diff settings to help Vista 64 (emulator) allow install, - it's a no go. Google search comes up vague and incomplete.

Talks about workaround through back door - Decision - Um, no too vague. Instructions not good enough.

my proposed solution -
Install second SSD and install Windows XP. Verified old 32 bit software does indeed work in xp. Partition on first hard drive for dual boot is not an option - prefer not too. (Partition for win 98 - did not work out a while back)
Question - what is the process for install : software and hardware?

From what i'm gathering from google researching - The sequence matters, i.e. install win xp, then vista 64 with both SSD installed. Instead, would like to install SSD, then install win xp b/c Vista 64 is running now as i type this post, lol.

Just need that last 5% of 32 bit apps. to be fully operational.

[green91]

I know its not the answer you're looking for, but id run a vmware instance on vista 64 with XP pro installed before i went through the trouble to reboot for a handful of programs.

[guinness]

sun microsystems has a virtuamachine that will allow you to this and will also allow you to take "snapshots",which means that if at any time you want to go back to what and how it was before,just click a button and it restores it to what it was,erases everything,and puts it as if nothing was ever there.it's a free download and i use it on several of the servers and machines at the offices i am over.check it out.

[civicturbo10]

I believe i have found the solution i am looking for from tom's hardware forum. It's a very long thread so i'll have to read it and try to implement. I am sure many people when will have the same problem as they migrate over to a 64-bit OS and will definitely like to use older software. I would consider this a definite practical problem that people will have...as some companies do not evolve older software to 64bit compatible.


Link:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/237893-44-dual-boot-vista-xp32#bas

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251383-32-hard-drive

[civicturbo10]

I know its not the answer you're looking for, but id run a vmware instance on vista 64 with XP pro installed before i went through the trouble to reboot for a handful of programs.

I will investigate what it does....


sun microsystems has a virtuamachine that will allow you to this and will also allow you to take "snapshots",which means that if at any time you want to go back to what and how it was before,just click a button and it restores it to what it was,erases everything,and puts it as if nothing was ever there.it's a free download and i use it on several of the servers and machines at the offices i am over.check it out.

Thanks will look into to see if i can use.... my above post looks very promising.

[green91]

both of our solutions do the same thing, just with different software. they allow virtual machines to be ran on top of your OS. i personally use VMware ALOT, i use it to set up fake w2k3server systems to test settings before going live with them in a production environment, and i also use it for a windows XP session since i require a program that doesn't work well with wine.

[civicturbo10]

Thanks def will have to look into before i finalize be all / end all solution....


both of our solutions do the same thing, just with different software. they allow virtual machines to be ran on top of your OS. i personally use VMware ALOT, i use it to set up fake w2k3server systems to test settings before going live with them in a production environment, and i also use it for a windows XP session since i require a program that doesn't work well with wine.

[guinness]

go luck with it all.lets us know how it works for you.

[cobalt9123]

Use VMWare we use it on server applications and it works VERY well.
A Vista computer with an XP VM running in the background is "basically" a Windows 7 computer ;)
Not exactly, though.

[civicturbo10]

Begun researching...listing for future reading.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19960/1168

http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/life-science-dev/testing-virtualbox-on-windows-vista-23724

http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/ratings.jsp?pageId=f83a79c1-650f-11de-9d26-080020a9ed93

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox

[civicturbo10]

posting faq of VB install for future reading. Looks like i need version AMD64 for Vista 64 Sp1

http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=8669

[civicturbo10]

MSFT cost analysis link below - also visited VMware page. Implementation looks to be cost prohibitive vs. my solution and virtualbox.org (free). My proposed solution is < $200 and easy to implement, consumer friendly b/c it's common.

Jumped to VMware homepage and costs jump into $1.5k range into the thousands. Prob. could find for free but i'm not savvy enough to find free software unless it's free to begin with (aka free @ homepage). VMware looks like a no go.

Virtualbox still looks promising. Must determine 2 things - Vista 64 capable and usb support. Can't argue with free. Still investigating....


http://store.vmware.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=vmware&id=ProductDetailsPage&productID=94648100&resid=Q6PWpwoBAiMAAAqaDuYAAAAu&rests=1253708869138


On a side note look at how virtualization can save a big corporation money when used a enterprise solution. I'm not a IT guy but dollar figures don't lie.
http://opsamericas.com/?p=670

[green91]

Dude vmware is free unless you get the standalone.

THIS is what you need:
http://www.vmware.com/freedownload/login.php?product=server20

[civicturbo10]

Oh i was looking in the desktop products area. I figured the other area is more for commercial type users. No amount of common sense would have helped me here, lol. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Onto to looking what you got....



Dude vmware is free unless you get the standalone.

THIS is what you need:
http://www.vmware.com/freedownload/login.php?product=server20

[cobalt9123]

Haha yeah VMWare is free..I wouldn't recommend paying for something like that (with the exception of a few) but VMWare is great.
Good luck!

[civicturbo10]

vmware up and running. Took a while to figure out how to use and run....installed XP, looks good and first older software looks good. Thanks for the help and looks like i'll be 100% just like my old setup....where everything just works...

Just saw win 7 has virtual xp. Too bad it's only the more expensive versions which i don't have a free upgrade path too. I bet that virtual xp is more intuitive than and user friendly than the free VMware i have...