Ultimate Fighter 10 begins

[ShooterMcGavin]

what'd everyone think about the first episode? i couldn't believe how badly abe was bleeding, that guy had no answers for his opponent.

[nreggie454]

Agreed. I don't think I have ever seen a guy bleed that much in a fight.

I think Rashad's team will dominate. He just really seems to think stuff out a lot more and picked the smarter fighters. I also think Kimbo will not do very much. He is huge as fuck but he doesn't have great MMA skills.

[Bus Driver J]

I think Rashad's team will dominate. He just really seems to think stuff out a lot more and picked the smarter fighters. I also think Kimbo will not do very much. He is huge as fuck but he doesn't have great MMA skills.

Agreed 100%. Rampage is gonna do as bad as he did last time as a coach. Rashads team is all skill in my eyes. Hell, look a Marcus (the 9 foot tall football player). That dude had NO cardio. He wont last past the first round of his first fight.

I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE KIMBO LOSE!!!! Real talk. I think he is an excellent backyard brawler but MMA will own him.

But Gabe got fucked up!! The trainer said he could see the skull. Thats some shit right there.

[ShooterMcGavin]

ABE, not gabe...and yes, i can't wait to see kimbo in the ring as well as the former nfl player.

[redpanda]

is there any way i can catch it online?

[THEONE]

that dude had a huge cut on his head.he laid there and got dominated i hate fights that stay on the ground the whole time it bores the hell out of me.

i cant wait to see kimbo in the ring, hes a bad man ,those guys need to take him a little more seriously i think he wants it more than anyone there i could kinda see it in his eyes hehehe

[Bus Driver J]

Abe, Gabe, whatever. He got his ass handed to him. He wont be mentioned again this season so it doesnt matter, lol.

[SP33D FREAK]

Abe didn't have any heart.. his opp kept throwing 2 punches and shot for the takedown... and he couldnt pick it up and kept getting taken down.... and for how much BJJ thy should abe doing in practice not once did he try for a submission... LOL


I hope Kimbo wins ! LOL maybe rampage can teach him takedown defense..lol

[02SloWrx]

I missed this. Is there any way to watch this episode online?

[02SloWrx]

i got the link for everyone.

http://www.watch-ultimate-fighter.info/season-10/episode-10x01-season-premiere

[Greddypacked]

Will be a good one, all heavyweights lol crazy. Dont say Kimbo will get beat so easily.. he has been training MMA for atleast a year or more now. Brock came in and did huge damage over a year of MMA training. Kimbo should do good against these guys, not saying the pro's in UFC atm but might do good on season. Regardless season looks to be a good one.

[BanginJimmy]

damn I forgot about this. Wednesdays at 10 on Spike right?

[Greddypacked]

damn I forgot about this. Wednesdays at 10 on Spike right?

True statement!

[Bus Driver J]

Kimbo losing quick or winning the whole show, doesnt matter. It will be a great season. Im glad they finally did an all heavyweight show. The only other time they had them was when Rashad won it. That was only half the guys and hes not even a HW anymore. These guys are HW and dont look like they will be cutting 20+ lbs anytime soon.

[ironchef]

My grandma has better takedown defense than Abe. It was kind of funny when he said, "Well I expect John to take me down, but once we're on the ground I'll be in my [jiu-jitsu] element." So much for that, hahaha.

[J-ROCK]

I thought the short guy was kinda cocky when he came out and yelled but he changed my mind real quick on the first takedown. I figured Abe would have put together atleast one combination when the ref stood em back up but.....nope dropped again.

[SleepingTalon]

Will be a good one, all heavyweights lol crazy. Dont say Kimbo will get beat so easily.. he has been training MMA for atleast a year or more now. Brock came in and did huge damage over a year of MMA training. Kimbo should do good against these guys, not saying the pro's in UFC atm but might do good on season. Regardless season looks to be a good one.

No, this is not correct, nor is it a fair comparison. Kimbo has NO background in fighting, except for some backyard fights with untrained bums. Brock was a D1 NCAA champ, and has probably the best base for MMA in wrestling. Beyond that, Brock trains like a PRO, and has trained with top guys for the past 3yrs now. He didn't do anything with a year of MMA training. Hell, he didn't even fight until he had 8 months of training, and that fight was against a total CAN. His first fight with Frank Mir was after almost 2yrs of CONSTANT training with Greg Nelson.

On the other hand, Kimbo hasn't put forth the same effort that Brock has, and this is evident in the fact that Bas no longer wanted to train him because of him being slack in the gym. Kimbo has to show some serious dedication to make it in MMA. He's small for a HW, and it would probably suit him best to drop down to LHW. If he can do that, he'll show some dedication to getting better, as dieting/cutting weight requires some serious discipline.

As far as the other guys on this season are concerned, well, there are a few guys in there that have distinct advantages over everyone else, including Kimbo. Roy Nelson is the first one that comes to mind, as he's got like 20+ pro fights, some of which were against top guys, and has fought on most of the big shows. This will be a real uphill battle for Kimbo, as people are gonna expose him on the ground, and with cardio. I do respect him for taking the plunge though. It takes a lot of balls to put your rep on the line like that.

[J-ROCK]

No, this is not correct, nor is it a fair comparison. Kimbo has NO background in fighting, except for some backyard fights with untrained bums. Brock was a D1 NCAA champ, and has probably the best base for MMA in wrestling. Beyond that, Brock trains like a PRO, and has trained with top guys for the past 3yrs now. He didn't do anything with a year of MMA training. Hell, he didn't even fight until he had 8 months of training, and that fight was against a total CAN. His first fight with Frank Mir was after almost 2yrs of CONSTANT training with Greg Nelson.

On the other hand, Kimbo hasn't put forth the same effort that Brock has, and this is evident in the fact that Bas no longer wanted to train him because of him being slack in the gym. Kimbo has to show some serious dedication to make it in MMA. He's small for a HW, and it would probably suit him best to drop down to LHW. If he can do that, he'll show some dedication to getting better, as dieting/cutting weight requires some serious discipline.

As far as the other guys on this season are concerned, well, there are a few guys in there that have distinct advantages over everyone else, including Kimbo. Roy Nelson is the first one that comes to mind, as he's got like 20+ pro fights, some of which were against top guys, and has fought on most of the big shows. This will be a real uphill battle for Kimbo, as people are gonna expose him on the ground, and with cardio. I do respect him for taking the plunge though. It takes a lot of balls to put your rep on the line like that.


Very well said

[ueyedgr8tness]

As we all no kimbo is not a mma fighter i think he will stun some ppl and catch thoes guy's that look down on him off gaurd i can assure u that.

[Slomaro Z28]

Very well said
x2

[THEONE]

As we all no kimbo is not a mma fighter i think he will stun some ppl and catch thoes guy's that look down on him off gaurd i can assure u that.

i think kimbo is damn close, i know everyone has seen proably seen this video but he dont look that bad i think with the right training he would be more dangerous than he already is hes got skills in the video you see boxing,kick boxing,grappling and a little wrestling than that let to a submission and i call that mma . i wouldnt mess with that dude lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DahOLe5z3Ek&feature=related

[ueyedgr8tness]

^ i think that he needs to get in better condition than what he is.If he gets amped up to go 3-5 rounds with out gassing out he could def be a handfull for alot of fighters i think. And i have to say no matter how much dana W talks shi* about kimbo dana is a $ man and he no that if kimbo does get into ufc he gonna bring in a little more $ at the end of the day and thats what matters.People love to see mma fights but they love to see KO fights more than some 1 getting Tapped out in the cage and that is what kimbo brings to the table.Finishing fights by KO. But i do agree alot with talon on here kimbo needs to drop to a lower weight class.

[J-ROCK]

^ i think that he needs to get in better condition than what he is.If he gets amped up to go 3-5 rounds with out gassing out he could def be a handfull for alot of fighters i think. And i have to say no matter how much dana W talks shi* about kimbo dana is a $ man and he no that if kimbo does get into ufc he gonna bring in a little more $ at the end of the day and thats what matters.People love to see mma fights but they love to see KO fights more than some 1 getting Tapped out in the cage and that is what kimbo brings to the table.Finishing fights by KO. But i do agree alot with talon on here kimbo needs to drop to a lower weight class.


Kimbo has stand-up ability more than anything. If he gets put up against someone with really good ground game and take down ability then odds most likely won't be in his favor.

[nreggie454]

Kimbo has stand-up ability more than anything. If he gets put up against someone with really good ground game and take down ability then odds most likely won't be in his favor.

Kimbo only has the ability to punch hard. Seth Petruzelli showed that Kimbo isn't even that great at stand-up. He just rushes in fists flying, having virtually no defense. Any decent striker that can keep their wits about them during his punching flurries will hit him on the button every time.

Granted, he could have really upped his game since then, but he has a long way to go IMO.

[ekcivic1991]

man who cares if he can only stand up oh well?
Anderson Silva doesnt go to the ground( even though he is a black belt in jiu jitsu) also Cro Cop doesnt go the ground and they are both top fighters.

Kimbo has heart and has fight, a lot of these guys on these shows dont. they see it as a occupation not as im feeding my family.

Also kimbo wont fight anytime soon in my opinion, im not sure if dana has any control over fight choice but if they hold out a couple weeks people will keep watching to see what happens

[J-ROCK]

Kimbo only has the ability to punch hard. Seth Petruzelli showed that Kimbo isn't even that great at stand-up. He just rushes in fists flying, having virtually no defense. Any decent striker that can keep their wits about them during his punching flurries will hit him on the button every time.

Granted, he could have really upped his game since then, but he has a long way to go IMO.

By stand-up I meant the ability to only hit hard. I know he doesn't have really any defence when he swings. When he swings he takes chances and hopes that atleast one of his swings hits the button. the only stand-up ability I have seen that he has is the ability to hit hard but you also have to be smart with your punches and bring a good defence if they happen to miss, but in the take down and wrestling department he has virtually nothing to work with.

[Greddypacked]

All Heavyweights will be a fun season lol.

[ueyedgr8tness]

^ tru that:) Also kimbo has a huge name out there over most the guy's he is going against and that alone puts more pressure on him to do good and put more time in training and going the distance.I have to say its all about how bad he wants to show that he can change from street fighting to the cage pro life style.

[ka24boost]

Kimbo have shown that he is hungry to learn. Abe was unprepare he thought the guy was a ok wrestler not a champion wrestler

[ironchef]

Kimbo have shown that he is hungry to learn. Abe was unprepare he thought the guy was a ok wrestler not a champion wrestlerMadsen was/is not a champion wrestler, Abe just has absolutely no take down defense.

[ShooterMcGavin]

this past wk was interesting. i thought they should've made them go back for a round 3, didn't agree w/the decision at the end of the 2 rounds.

in either case i'm already slightly less excited about this season just bc of the shit that's goin on w/rampage now and how he's thinking about calling it quits. really want to see him knock out rashad.

[ironchef]

Next week should be good with Kimbo v Roy. I kind of want to see Kimbo lose, but at the same time I want to see him win, its weird.

[Bus Driver J]

I thought last weeks fight was a disappointment. That was Rashads #1 pic!! I though he fought like shit. He should have destroyed that guy when he was gasses. Ive NEVER seen a fight in the cage where two guys basically stared at each other breathing hard.

Rampages guy def had a good game plan going in and it worked perfect, well until he got tired. Taking the right leg kick and them throwing a straight right. That shit had dude stunned bad.

I am SOOO glad Rashad put Roy against Kimbo this early. He was a former champ (Roy) so he has to have skills. On the show he hasnt shown to much heart but in the cage it should be different. That and we can end all this Kimbo talk once and for all. I was afraid Dana and the show producers were gonna make them wait until late in the show to put Kimbo in. I now they will lose a lot of viewers once he is gone. Thats all he is there for, TV numbers.

Rampage is now 2-8 on the show, lol. (minus the semi-finals and finals)

[BobbyFresco]

Weak shit so far.
I hope this 3rd episode is better.

[MidLifeCrisis]

this past wk was interesting. i thought they should've made them go back for a round 3, didn't agree w/the decision at the end of the 2 rounds.

in either case i'm already slightly less excited about this season just bc of the shit that's goin on w/rampage now and how he's thinking about calling it quits. really want to see him knock out rashad.

i agree.. although im sure round 3 would have been more nothingness..

i hope kimbo gets destroyed. i hate him and rampage.

[cbr900rrguy]

i just think people are intimidated by kimbo. get him on the ground though and he will more than likely lose.

[Greddypacked]

i just think people are intimidated by kimbo. get him on the ground though and he will more than likely lose.

Shoot look at Liddell. He was mostly standup and could defend against the best wrestlers (Couture) from going on the ground. Kimbo just needs to pick up his take down d fense.

[Bus Driver J]

Ill agree that people are intimidated by him. Hell, Im at the weight to fight heavyweight and would never step foot in the octagon/ ring/ backyard with that fucker. I mean shit, go back and look at some of the guys expressions when he walked in. They just about shit themselves. But then the real fighter basically said fuck him. Imagine what he would have done against Abe or even the Rashad fighter from last week if his cardio would last that long (which I dont think it would).

Roy defeats Slice in 2nd round due to submission!!!!

[The Green Monster]

that stupid link didn't work even after i finished the survey :(

[00CIVICSI]

So the vid leaked and and looks like kimbo knocks nelson out....but the vid stops. Never shows the end.

[Greddypacked]

Roy defeats Slice in 2nd round due to submission!!!!

WELL..... I would have to disagree. Roy is a fat boy and if Kimbo can get his aggression in and hard hits to his fat body Roy is going to hurt. I know Roy has more all around MMA, but he was also fighting IFL, not UFC. Should be a good match. Kimbo has now fought UFC fighters, pro boxers, and trained MMA for awhile now. With the shape he's in I might say Kimbo for the win.

[SleepingTalon]

WELL..... I would have to disagree. Roy is a fat boy and if Kimbo can get his aggression in and hard hits to his fat body Roy is going to hurt. I know Roy has more all around MMA, but he was also fighting IFL, not UFC. Should be a good match. Kimbo has now fought UFC fighters, pro boxers, and trained MMA for awhile now. With the shape he's in I might say Kimbo for the win.

Kimbo's is in good shape? Based on what? His fights against a washed up 50+yr old Ray Mercer? Or how about Tank Abbot (with his impressive 10-14 MMA record), whose won ONE fight in the last 5yrs? Kimbo was also GASSED out after ONE round with James Thompson, and Thompson has ZERO cardio. He is the definition of the word "CAN". You do know that the IFL was a major promotion and had many big names fighting in it, don't you? Guys like Matt Lindland, Pat Militech, Chris Horodecki, Jay Heiron, Tim Kennedy, etc, were all regulars in the IFL. Who and where was Kimbo fighting before he had his first MMA fight? Oh yeah...it was guys from the local Taco Bell in someone's backyard.

Beyond all that, I'm friend with some of the guys at Randy's gym out in Vegas, and they all told me that Kimbo was extremely slack in the gym. He would skip training sessions, and didn't wanna work on his ground skills at all. He's not exactly the poster boy for work ethic. Can he get better? Yes, he can. He's training with ATT now, and I'm friends with many guys down there too, and they don't fuck around. If Kimbo comes in there and doesn't listen, he'll get beat the fuck down and thrown out, so he has no choice. He better step it up big time, because his lack of skills is very apparent. Hell, Greg Jackson had him picked 14th on a list of 16 fighters, after his evaluation with Rashad. That alone should tell you something.

[ueyedgr8tness]

^ wow dude u just no every 1 don't u? could u please call rampage and see if he will let me in on the drug he takes that makes him run his car into other ppl?

[Greddypacked]

Kimbo's is in good shape? Based on what? His fights against a washed up 50+yr old Ray Mercer? Or how about Tank Abbot (with his impressive 10-14 MMA record), whose won ONE fight in the last 5yrs? Kimbo was also GASSED out after ONE round with James Thompson, and Thompson has ZERO cardio. He is the definition of the word "CAN". You do know that the IFL was a major promotion and had many big names fighting in it, don't you? Guys like Matt Lindland, Pat Militech, Chris Horodecki, Jay Heiron, Tim Kennedy, etc, were all regulars in the IFL. Who and where was Kimbo fighting before he had his first MMA fight? Oh yeah...it was guys from the local Taco Bell in someone's backyard.

Beyond all that, I'm friend with some of the guys at Randy's gym out in Vegas, and they all told me that Kimbo was extremely slack in the gym. He would skip training sessions, and didn't wanna work on his ground skills at all. He's not exactly the poster boy for work ethic. Can he get better? Yes, he can. He's training with ATT now, and I'm friends with many guys down there too, and they don't fuck around. If Kimbo comes in there and doesn't listen, he'll get beat the fuck down and thrown out, so he has no choice. He better step it up big time, because his lack of skills is very apparent. Hell, Greg Jackson had him picked 14th on a list of 16 fighters, after his evaluation with Rashad. That alone should tell you something.

Yes lol all of this you typed I knew but thanks for informing the others that didnt. Kimbo stands his ground, and does hard hitting standup like Liddell does he can win. He needs to play good standup though and not let Roy get to close. Which is pretty much what Liddell did most of his fights and tore their lil head off their socket. We all know standup fighters dont like going to the ground, defending against Brazilian Ju Ju lol, nor submissions. Best way for him to win is use great take down defense and work his standup on him. Im not saying Kimbo will win, but he could.

One of my favorite fighters is GSP... cuz he knows how to fight all MMA and defend. He can take on any kind of fighter and show everyone something new every fight. He pushes himself and has no limit. I say GSP could beat Roy in heavyweight lol.

Anyways fight is 2morrow, lets see how it goes and come back and discuss it :cheers:.

[Verik]

So the vid leaked and and looks like kimbo knocks nelson out....but the vid stops. Never shows the end.


I think you are referring to the commercial or preview that is on spike.... and too me it doesn't like that right has a solid connection with Roy (sure as hell not like the punches in the end of Machida v Rampage).

[SleepingTalon]

^ wow dude u just no every 1 don't u? could u please call rampage and see if he will let me in on the drug he takes that makes him run his car into other ppl?

Nah, just a few guys from different gyms I met during seminars over the past 5yrs or so. You have to remember that 5yrs ago, MMA wasn't even very big, so it wasn't like anyone knew who many of these guys are.

[SleepingTalon]

Yes lol all of this you typed I knew but thanks for informing the others that didnt. Kimbo stands his ground, and does hard hitting standup like Liddell does he can win. He needs to play good standup though and not let Roy get to close. Which is pretty much what Liddell did most of his fights and tore their lil head off their socket. We all know standup fighters dont like going to the ground, defending against Brazilian Ju Ju lol, nor submissions. Best way for him to win is use great take down defense and work his standup on him. Im not saying Kimbo will win, but he could.

One of my favorite fighters is GSP... cuz he knows how to fight all MMA and defend. He can take on any kind of fighter and show everyone something new every fight. He pushes himself and has no limit. I say GSP could beat Roy in heavyweight lol.

Anyways fight is 2morrow, lets see how it goes and come back and discuss it :cheers:.

Chuck is actually a wrestler, not a stand up guy. That's why his TDD is good. He trained stand up later in his career, and started to use that COMBINED with his wrestling. He's also much better technically than Kimbo is. Beyond all that, he's a purple belt in BJJ, so he's not exactly clueless on the ground. Kimbo has none of those attributes, and is learning on the job. Not exactly the best thing when you're going into a fight with Roy Nelson.

At any rate, I don't see Kimbo moving in and out of the pocket with strikes. His footwork isn't very good, nor does he have really great technical boxing. He does have good power, but his chin was tested by a journeyman LHW who KO'd him, so getting into a fire fight probably isn't that great an idea either. His best bet is to bum rush Roy and put pressure on him the minute the bell sounds, but it's easier said than done. Even the sprawl and brawl tactic will require him to be in really good cardio shape, and there is no evidence to support the claim that Kimbo is in good enough shape to do so.

With all that said, I have a gut feeling that the fight ends up going the distance, and that Kimbo makes it a good fight, but loses a decision. Because of that, he'll earn respect from a lot of people, including other fighters and fans. That's my prediction.

[Verik]

Yes lol all of this you typed I knew but thanks for informing the others that didnt. Kimbo stands his ground, and does hard hitting standup like Liddell does he can win. He needs to play good standup though and not let Roy get to close. Which is pretty much what Liddell did most of his fights and tore their lil head off their socket.


Liddell was a division 1 wrestler.... Kimbo isn't going to at that level anytime soon. Liddell is what 40 years old when he fought his last fight? His sprawl and takedown defense had been the accumulation of 20 years of wrestling and mma experience. Please... It's easy to say, "oh, all kimbo needs is some good takedown D just like chuck's and he's good to go". The reality is that yes, if kimbo wants to be a successful standup he needs a solid foundation of takedown def and as well as wrestling (in order to get things back to the feet if they do go down) but the reality also is something such as that takes time and experience to develop. Not likely something that can be taught in the few weeks of TUF. Now if he has been training mma pre-tuf 10 then congrats and i'm sure we will see what he has learned, but it seems he lacks a motivation and work ethic from the rumors to be humble and work on the fundamentals of his weakness.

Sleeping talon hit it dead on. Kimbo has the cannon in his arm to ko someone. Undoubtedly we understand that but he does not have a foundation of fundamentals even in his strengths (boxing). He has raw talent, but that can only get you so far before you must dedicate yourself to learning the technique and fundamentals of the game.

[SleepingTalon]

^^^EXACTLY^^^

More off, here is what Tiki Ghosn, who is one of Kimbo's trainers on TUF, had to say about Kimbo's skills when he got on the show...

"He can punch, we all know he can punch but he doesn’t know anything about MMA. He didn’t know how to sprawl. He didn’t know how to get out of a takedown"

The video also shows footage of Kimbo get pushed around the cage like a tackling sled by Matt Mitrione. Tiki does say that Kimbo got better:

"I think as the season goes along you guys will see some pretty impressive things out of this guy."

Madsen liked Kimbo and admired the guy's desire to get better:

"He obviously knew my wrestling was a lot better," said Madsen, a Division II National Wrestling Champion in 2001. "He approached me and said can you show me stuff?' I was real impressed with his humility. He knows he needs to work on his ground game."

Which brings us back to the point, what did Kimbo do during training with Rutten and Khatami?

It's also interesting to hear Tiki talk about why Rampage made Kimbo his first pick. It doesn't seem like Jackson had winning as his No. 1 goal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/TUF-10-The-Aftermath-Kimbo-s-game-is-shockingly?urn=mma,191252


So just as I said, he's been very slack in the gym prior to this, and the last few years of him training haven't been that productive. He's in the big show now, so he's gonna have to work extra hard, as he doesn't have the background that most others do. No wrestling, no BJJ, no formal boxing, etc. Work ethic is the key at this point, because his window of opportunity is closing rapidly at his age.

[cbr900rrguy]

just like when brock lesnar had his 1st ufc fight against frank mir. brock was winning that fight had it not been for frank making him tap out. this guy should fight ufc. david tua. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvMlN758tq0

[SleepingTalon]

The same David Tua that fell off the HW boxing map? What would make you think he would be ok in MMA? He would be the best boxer for sure, and he's got really heavy hands, but what would happen when he fought a good wrestler or BJJ guy? He would need to crosstrain A LOT to do well in MMA, or he would get embarrassed. Though I would like to see a REALLY good boxer take the time to get a BJJ black belt, cross train, and take a stab at MMA. Ricardo Mayorga is supposedly signed to make his MMA debut, so that's as close as we're gonna get to an "elite" boxer, but still no dice on the cross training, or the BJJ black belt. He's also probably a bit past his prime, but it's w/e I guess.

[Vteckidd]

I only watched the first episode cause i havent had time to watch the others, but i think the 1st episode summed up UFC to a "T".

WHat i like about UFC is it really is all about balance. You kinda have to know a lot about everything to win. Size does have something to do with it, but size almost means nothing when they get taken to the mat by a smaller opponent that can wrestle/grapple.

The one thing i noticed about Kimbo was that he just isnt that mobile. He seems like hes not very flexible and i dont think hes fast enough to deal with the likes of the other guys.

My .02

[Paul]

i hope kimbo stomps his ass; seems like alot of people want him to fail, but i like the dude he seems hungry for the win and is pretty well spoken (really surprised by his interviews on the show).

you never know on this show last week big out of shape ex-football guy fought evans #1 pick and it went to split decision; size/shape looks like it might be as important as skill this season.

[leobond001]

^^^^^^^^^^^same here. if he loses, his fighting career is done for

[Verik]

i hope kimbo stomps his ass; seems like alot of people want him to fail, but i like the dude he seems hungry for the win and is pretty well spoken (really surprised by his interviews on the show).

you never know on this show last week big out of shape ex-football guy fought evans #1 pick and it went to split decision; size/shape looks like it might be as important as skill this season.


so by your logic, kimbo has nothing on roy nelson?

anyways this should be interesting... starting now.

kimbo has some intelligent monologue but i still hold my opinion

[ueyedgr8tness]

Yea man kimbo is really humble and he is def alot different than people thought he was but damn rampage is a funny ass mofo.

[b@d @pple]

kimbo did just get worn out in round 1..i hope he comes back in 2

[nreggie454]

LOL @ Roy pinning Kimbo's arms down and punching him in the forehead for the last minute of the first round.

Kimbo does look a little better with his standup since he isn't just bum-rushing the guy (so far), but his ground game could use a lot of work.

[Verik]

is it just me or does roy have a perfect kimora lined up on kimbos left arm at 4 min in the 2nd? what the fuck?

[Verik]

KIMBO LOSES...... god was that even a contest on the ground?

[b@d @pple]

lame

[j0nbunklah0m]

anyone have a link for the show today?

[ueyedgr8tness]

Omg roy sucks dick that fat fuck can't even fight he talking all that shi* but that fight was not impressive at all sorry! Also what if we end up having a kimbo vs roy again in the final because some 1 is hurt hmmm...

[lowazzcord]

hopefully kimbo can come back and get his ground game in check. by the ending i think he may be coming back

[SleepingTalon]

Roy was playing it really safe. It was obvious he didn't wanna lose position, as he's a BJJ black belt, and wasn't really looking for subs (besides that one americana). No knee on belly, and wasn't even worried about blocking Kimbo's hips to prevent him from shrimping and getting guard back. This was a fight he played out to take the least damage possible so that he's fresh for the next fight.

[nreggie454]

hopefully kimbo can come back and get his ground game in check. by the ending i think he may be coming back
He would have to train for much longer than the season lasts. He could learn and improve a lot, but he is still faaaaaaaaaaaaar away from being a balanced fighter that could be promising in the UFC.

[Verik]

Roy was playing it really safe. It was obvious he didn't wanna lose position, as he's a BJJ black belt, and wasn't really looking for subs (besides that one americana). No knee on belly, and wasn't even worried about blocking Kimbo's hips to prevent him from shrimping and getting guard back. This was a fight he played out to take the least damage possible so that he's fresh for the next fight.


i understand the game plan but what I'm trying to comprehend is why when the sub is given to you, you dont take it? he was in the crucifix and had a kimora dangling in his face. his right arm was already hooked under, all he would have to do instead of throwing those taps to kimbo's face was grab the wrist and lock his right hand on his left forearm. It's not like kimbo was attempting to move from the position so i dont imagine it would have jepordized anything.

honestly if he is looking to protect himself for a future fight wouldnt a quick sub be the most ideal end?

i agree though... i couldnt stand roy's comments afterards like he was top shit and just tko'd lesnar....

[cbr900rrguy]

that fight was bullshit. kimbo is going to get another chance. you can tell from what dana white was saying.

[Verik]

i hope not... id rather see marcus fight than kimbo

[Bus Driver J]

A win is a win!!! I dont care how it happens.

I agree it wasnt the most glamorous fight but why would Roy (or anyone) put themselves in a bad spot for a "good" fight? Its not like they are at a mian event trying to get fight of the night.

As for everyone that will complain that "he just layed on him and barely hit him", I guess Rampage's team better get a fat ass to train with them. If thats how he going to win fights, so be it. I do think it should have stopped in the first round. That was 27 seconds of unanswered punching. Nothing powerful but still unanswered. He had no way of defending himself.


But, by the way shit is looking, I think he will be back. They wouldnt have gone through ALL this marketing shit with him and he only last 3 episodes. Hell, he even had a role in a Spike Movie as a prisoner. The weird thing about the show so far is that they only show the same 4-5 guys. Sometimes when they show one of the other guys I think its an extra or something, lol.

[Bus Driver J]

And like someone else mentioned about Kimbo, I did NOT expect him to be that humble. I thought he was some street hardened gangster that so all about ripping bitches heads off. Wow. He seems like a really cool ass dude.

[Verik]

A win is a win!!! I dont care how it happens.

I agree it wasnt the most glamorous fight but why would Roy (or anyone) put themselves in a bad spot for a "good" fight? Its not like they are at a mian event trying to get fight of the night.




im not sure if this was aimed at my kimora comment but he wouldnt have even had to transition to attempt the kimora.... instead he just slapped kimbo in the face a whole bunch.... i feel it would be more respectable if he had won with a sub rather than a slapping of the face. i dont disagree with herb dean's decision to stop the fight, i simply think roy had like a minute worth of opportunity and he wanted the tko rather than the sub because of how the results would "look" (omgzorz he tko'd kimbo vs he submitted kimbo... we all knew he sucked at grappling).

[BLK JDM]

A win is a win!!! I dont care how it happens.

I agree it wasnt the most glamorous fight but why would Roy (or anyone) put themselves in a bad spot for a "good" fight? Its not like they are at a mian event trying to get fight of the night.

As for everyone that will complain that "he just layed on him and barely hit him", I guess Rampage's team better get a fat ass to train with them. If thats how he going to win fights, so be it. I do think it should have stopped in the first round. That was 27 seconds of unanswered punching. Nothing powerful but still unanswered. He had no way of defending himself.


But, by the way shit is looking, I think he will be back. They wouldnt have gone through ALL this marketing shit with him and he only last 3 episodes. Hell, he even had a role in a Spike Movie as a prisoner. The weird thing about the show so far is that they only show the same 4-5 guys. Sometimes when they show one of the other guys I think its an extra or something, lol.

You don't get in the UFC to be a safe fighter. You get in there to make a name for yourself and to legally pound on people. That fat ass is a PURE BITCH to me. Then he gonna talk shit about being the King. Oh hell naw. I respect his independence on being his own coach and manager but HE SUCKS!!

[SleepingTalon]

He didn't go for the subs because his idea was to maintain position and not take risks. Why even bother to go for it when you know you're gonna get the stoppage from your current position? There is no point to doing that.

-Worst case scenario if Roy goes for the sub is that Kimbo scrambles to his feet, and Roy risks the chance of getting clipped (and then has to work for the take down again).
-Worst case scenario from the position he was in is that he maintains and probably gets a stoppage. Remember, Roy is very experienced, and has probably had Herb Dean ref many of his fights. so he has a good idea of how much he'll have to do to get a stoppage.

As far as the Kimura is concerned, he didn't have good enough position for it. If you look to secure the arm WITHOUT stepping over the head (forcing your opponent on his side), the guy will escape. Your leg over their head blocks any escape. This is much different than an Americana, which can finished from side mount, or even half guard. The way that joint manipulates with an Americana, you don't have access to that escape. It also requires less torque on it, as you have to pull their elbow in close to finish it correctly. Roy is a BJJ black belt, and a really good one. Hell, he even sub'd Frank Mir, so he knew what he was doing.

[THEONE]

it was just what i expected,kimbo popped him a few times,tubby said hell no took him to the ground and basically gave him love taps to the head and it was over,it was a shitty fight and neither one of them really showed any impressive mma skills. im still pullin for kimbo i would love to see him in the ufc.

[Bus Driver J]

im not sure if this was aimed at my kimora comment but he wouldnt have even had to transition to attempt the kimora....

LOL, no no no. It wasnt directed at you at all. It was towards the guys who will come in and complain about how Roy is a big tubby and didnt "fight" at all. I did see the kimora, actually a couple times. But I agree with SleepingTalon. Why go for it? Why put yourself in a possible bad spot against someone as dangerous as Kimbo?


BLK JDM:
This is the Ultimate Fighter. Its a reality game show. In chess, do you go gun ho for the king or do you pick apart the pawns then bishops then rooks? When/If he wins the show ans get a contract he can then going for the big knockouts and crazy subs. Win the show safely then fight for big purses. Easy as that.

[BobbyFresco]

Another weak ass episode.
This season has been less than impressive, moreso considering they are HEAVYWEIGHTS.
Roy the fatboy didn't do shit other than apply his body weight and Kimbo did not apply any of the escapes moves being taught. Roy was not hitting to win a fight, even when he was in a position of control. I hope Dana White isn't happy with the way this season is going.

[Turbo Terrance]

Another weak ass episode.
This season has been less than impressive, moreso considering they are HEAVYWEIGHTS.
Roy the fatboy didn't do shit other than apply his body weight and Kimbo did not apply any of the escapes moves being taught. Roy was not hitting to win a fight, even when he was in a position of control. I hope Dana White isn't happy with the way this season is going.


Yea i agree with you on that... Kimbo did get a few punches in and Roy felt them thats when he knew he doesnt need to stand up and swap punches,he needed to take him down... once kimbo was down Roy was pretty much sufforcating him with his belly...lol

BUT OF COURSE KIMBO IS GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE...:doh:THIS WHOLE SEASON IS HYPED UP B/C OF HIM....

[Paul]

that had to be one of the lamest fights ever i'm glad dana white saw that shit... kimbo has to pickup better take down defense b/c he would of rocked the fuck out of roy in standup. "roy was hitting him like my 9 year old daughter" - dwhite

kimbo = 2nd chance

roy = not going far w/ UFC

[BobbyFresco]

I'm disappointed.
A season with nothing but heavyweights and this is the shit we're getting?

[90_ACCORD]

kimbo fight = disappointment

[Greddypacked]

Roy's a joke, and like Dana White said that guy was hitting like your lil sister would when she's playing w/ you while he was hitting Kimbo in the head. Dana is pretty much saying he's a joke and probably will get beat later on. OH my gosh what he said at the end, im just glad I won and Rashad probably thinks im one of the best he gots... I cant wait to get home and eat :lmfao:. Dude needs to diet and get working out shiznat.

[leobond001]

man i was hurt when he lost

[MidLifeCrisis]

this is the worst thread ever.

ill admit, the fight was no fantastic, gotta watch the replay type fight, but it was an excellent exhibition to just how much kimbo slice does not belong in the UFC.. he is not a mixed martial artist, hes a boxer and thats it, nothing more.. a fighter of kimbos size could have got out from under roy nelson, just not one with kimbo slices lack of strategy on the ground.. the reason he stayed there was because he had no idea where to go once he was pinned.

[BobbyFresco]

man i was hurt when he lost

For some reason, the fight seemed staged.
Maybe I'm wrong but it did not seem like they were throwing real punches at each other...

[Vteckidd]

like i said, Kimbo isnt mobile enough. Why doesnt he get into Heavyweight boxing? I mean that seems like his talent.

[Bus Driver J]

...he is not a mixed martial artist, hes a boxer and thats it, nothing more..

I think those were his exact words so there is no real reason to repeat them. He knows that and so does the whole world. Not an opinion, a fact.

[dc2teg2006]

Rampage makes me laugh out loud!! dude is funny ass shit.

I felt kinda sorry for Kimbo, he is a likable guy, but man I don't know if he can ever improved on his ground game fast enough to be consider in the UFC. Dude got heart tho

[hadouken]

Ive always thought of them as the enemy
but the actually enemy is the inner me
the inner me man the inner me!

silly kimbo

lol

[THEONE]

i bet if he would shave that beard it would release all of his super powers!! j/k but for real i would like to see kimbo enter the ring next time,with some anger i would like him to come out like a hurricane and just break the next guy down.i know he could do it,he is not slow he could totally keep a fight on his feet ,if he would just get pissed a little..if he wants to win this thing hes gonna have to let go and get angry sometimes.

[j0nbunklah0m]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Kimbo_Slice_vs_Roy_Nelson_TUF_10_Episode_3?vid=10 006741&tid=100

roy vs kimbo

[TicketRedBB6]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Kimb...006741&tid=100

roy vs kimbo
Isnt working for me

[neon_ert3]

links not workin for me either

i cant wait til next week. i think kimbo might fight again and hopfully he'll be more explosive this time.

[ekcivic1991]

Man Kimbo is getting better each day to everyone who says he doesnt need to be in the UFC. He will keep getting better and if Dana White believes in him thats all that matter he will get fights if Dana is smart

[ueyedgr8tness]

Roy's a joke, and like Dana White said that guy was hitting like your lil sister would when she's playing w/ you while he was hitting Kimbo in the head. Dana is pretty much saying he's a joke and probably will get beat later on. OH my gosh what he said at the end, im just glad I won and Rashad probably thinks im one of the best he gots... I cant wait to get home and eat :lmfao:. Dude needs to diet and get working out shiznat.



LOL!! i no right :thinking: Roy is so full of hiself and he is not even that good:no:

[j0nbunklah0m]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Kimbo_Slice_vs_Roy_Nelson_TUF_10_Episode_3?vid=10 006741&tid=100


my bad. fixed

[ultm8mind]

Team Rampage 0-3, damn, even got Kimbo (his no ground game having ass)

[ka24boost]

Kimo is not a ground fighter and doesnt need to improve his ground game. He need to add wrestling to his game so hecan scamble and avoid take downs. His stand up is 5 out of 10 and he push the entire fight. Plus from looking at the fight he is better then brock lesnar

[SleepingTalon]

Plus from looking at the fight he is better then brock lesnar

Then you're half fucking blind.

[ka24boost]

Major points
1) Lesnar have zero stand up which was proven in his last fight
2) The only thing he is good at his is wrestling and that is because of his size
3) He have all that strength and he have not finish one fighter ( and no mir don’t count)
4) he have zero ground game he just use his weight and hold control the entire fight ( like Hugh use to do)
5) he could not stand up again Mir who is a much smaller fighter
6) If he beat shane carwin then I will take back all of this shit.

Brock only got the title shot because of his name

[SleepingTalon]

Major points
1) Lesnar have zero stand up which was proven in his last fight
2) The only thing he is good at his is wrestling and that is because of his size
3) He have all that strength and he have not finish one fighter ( and no mir don’t count)
4) he have zero ground game he just use his weight and hold control the entire fight ( like Hugh use to do)
5) he could not stand up again Mir who is a much smaller fighter
6) If he beat shane carwin then I will take back all of this shit.

Brock only got the title shot because of his name

YOU = FAIL

1- Mir threw 5 strikes in the last fight, 4 of them missed, so that point is total shit.
2- He's only good at wrestling because of his size? Spoken like a true idiot whose never trained a day in his life, and obviously you have ZERO experience in wrestling. You don't win a NCAA D1 title without skills. Wrestling has little to do with size, and is all hips, speed, and technique.
3- Lesnar has finished THREE of his FOUR wins, so get your facts straight. Beyond that, some would argue that he was pretty close to finishing Mir in their first fight, when he got that questionable stand up by Mazagatti.
4- He has zero ground game? Do you even know what "ground game" means? Wrestling is a huge part of a ground game, and beyond that, he totally controlled one of the best HW BJJ black belts in MMA. He kept Mir's hips flat using his WRESTLING to negate Mir's BJJ. Since you don't have a clue what you're looking at, you obviously missed that part.
5- He followed his gameplan, which was to put Mir on the ground and beat him up. He did that very easily too. You make it seem like Mir was winning this fight at any point. The ONE flurry Mir had was when he threw those 5 strikes, 4 of them missed (the 1 knee landed), and you use this as evidence. You seem so critical of Lesnar using his wrestling, when how many of the top MMA fighters use their wrestling to win fights? GSP, Randy, Hendo, Fitch, Koscheck, and the list goes on & on. It's called STRATEGY. If you don't like it, learn to defend against it.
6- So Shane Carwin makes Brock legitimate? Carwin has less cage time than Brock does! Yes he has more fights, but he's also spent less total time actually fighting. Also, look at the caliber of opponents. Carwin has fought CANS, while Brock has fought TOP 10 HW's. Carwin has never even been to the 2nd round, and because he's fighting nobodies (besides Gonzaga), he is more untested than Brock is. The simple fact is that Carwin isn't even Brock's toughest opponent. The only reason it's even mildly intriguing is because Carwin has some size and strength of his own. Beyond that, he's a poor mans Brock Lesnar, and inferior pretty much everywhere.

Oh, and lastly, Brock got his title shot because that's who RANDY asked to fight. When Randy came back from his contract dispute, they asked him who he wanted to fight, and he said "Brock". Beyond that, who was a more suitable opponent? Please elaborate, because I have yet to see one person who would have been a better replacement. Herring lost to Lesnar, Werdum got KO'd by Dos Santos, and there was really no one left. That takes like 6-7 of the HW's out of the mix. All the HW's that are credible fighters now, were not on the radar during that time.

[MidLifeCrisis]

YOU = FAIL

1- Mir threw 5 strikes in the last fight, 4 of them missed, so that point is total shit.
2- He's only good at wrestling because of his size? Spoken like a true idiot whose never trained a day in his life, and obviously you have ZERO experience in wrestling. You don't win a NCAA D1 title without skills. Wrestling has little to do with size, and is all hips, speed, and technique.
3- Lesnar has finished THREE of his FOUR wins, so get your facts straight. Beyond that, some would argue that he was pretty close to finishing Mir in their first fight, when he got that questionable stand up by Mazagatti.
4- He has zero ground game? Do you even know what "ground game" means? Wrestling is a huge part of a ground game, and beyond that, he totally controlled one of the best HW BJJ black belts in MMA. He kept Mir's hips flat using his WRESTLING to negate Mir's BJJ. Since you don't have a clue what you're looking at, you obviously missed that part.
5- He followed his gameplan, which was to put Mir on the ground and beat him up. He did that very easily too. You make it seem like Mir was winning this fight at any point. The ONE flurry Mir had was when he threw those 5 strikes, 4 of them missed (the 1 knee landed), and you use this as evidence. You seem so critical of Lesnar using his wrestling, when how many of the top MMA fighters use their wrestling to win fights? GSP, Randy, Hendo, Fitch, Koscheck, and the list goes on & on. It's called STRATEGY. If you don't like it, learn to defend against it.
6- So Shane Carwin makes Brock legitimate? Carwin has less cage time than Brock does! Yes he has more fights, but he's also spent less total time actually fighting. Also, look at the caliber of opponents. Carwin has fought CANS, while Brock has fought TOP 10 HW's. Carwin has never even been to the 2nd round, and because he's fighting nobodies (besides Gonzaga), he is more untested than Brock is. The simple fact is that Carwin isn't even Brock's toughest opponent. The only reason it's even mildly intriguing is because Carwin has some size and strength of his own. Beyond that, he's a poor mans Brock Lesnar, and inferior pretty much everywhere.

Oh, and lastly, Brock got his title shot because that's who RANDY asked to fight. When Randy came back from his contract dispute, they asked him who he wanted to fight, and he said "Brock". Beyond that, who was a more suitable opponent? Please elaborate, because I have yet to see one person who would have been a better replacement. Herring lost to Lesnar, Werdum got KO'd by Dos Santos, and there was really no one left. That takes like 6-7 of the HW's out of the mix. All the HW's that are credible fighters now, were not on the radar during that time.

this redeemed this thread. love him or hate him lesnar is one bad fucking ass dude, and i dont really think hes gonna be dethroned anytime soon. and shit im not even a lesnar fan.

[02SloWrx]

Im watching spike now, waiting for new episode. Looks like kimbo is coming back

[Greddypacked]

Im watching spike now, waiting for new episode. Looks like kimbo is coming back

Ya he should, he brings alot of ratings in for the show so Dana will probably want him back in also lol

[ekcivic1991]

man how about fuck brock lesnar in general
they need to go on a world wide search to find someone to beat his ass so i can rejoice.

[THEONE]

YOU = FAIL

1- Mir threw 5 strikes in the last fight, 4 of them missed, so that point is total shit.
2- He's only good at wrestling because of his size? Spoken like a true idiot whose never trained a day in his life, and obviously you have ZERO experience in wrestling. You don't win a NCAA D1 title without skills. Wrestling has little to do with size, and is all hips, speed, and technique.
3- Lesnar has finished THREE of his FOUR wins, so get your facts straight. Beyond that, some would argue that he was pretty close to finishing Mir in their first fight, when he got that questionable stand up by Mazagatti.
4- He has zero ground game? Do you even know what "ground game" means? Wrestling is a huge part of a ground game, and beyond that, he totally controlled one of the best HW BJJ black belts in MMA. He kept Mir's hips flat using his WRESTLING to negate Mir's BJJ. Since you don't have a clue what you're looking at, you obviously missed that part.
5- He followed his gameplan, which was to put Mir on the ground and beat him up. He did that very easily too. You make it seem like Mir was winning this fight at any point. The ONE flurry Mir had was when he threw those 5 strikes, 4 of them missed (the 1 knee landed), and you use this as evidence. You seem so critical of Lesnar using his wrestling, when how many of the top MMA fighters use their wrestling to win fights? GSP, Randy, Hendo, Fitch, Koscheck, and the list goes on & on. It's called STRATEGY. If you don't like it, learn to defend against it.
6- So Shane Carwin makes Brock legitimate? Carwin has less cage time than Brock does! Yes he has more fights, but he's also spent less total time actually fighting. Also, look at the caliber of opponents. Carwin has fought CANS, while Brock has fought TOP 10 HW's. Carwin has never even been to the 2nd round, and because he's fighting nobodies (besides Gonzaga), he is more untested than Brock is. The simple fact is that Carwin isn't even Brock's toughest opponent. The only reason it's even mildly intriguing is because Carwin has some size and strength of his own. Beyond that, he's a poor mans Brock Lesnar, and inferior pretty much everywhere.

Oh, and lastly, Brock got his title shot because that's who RANDY asked to fight. When Randy came back from his contract dispute, they asked him who he wanted to fight, and he said "Brock". Beyond that, who was a more suitable opponent? Please elaborate, because I have yet to see one person who would have been a better replacement. Herring lost to Lesnar, Werdum got KO'd by Dos Santos, and there was really no one left. That takes like 6-7 of the HW's out of the mix. All the HW's that are credible fighters now, were not on the radar during that time.

i agree, and i would like to add that lesner is a great fighter and an amazing wrestler and he has great cardio,look at him he is huge show me another guy his size that can hang like that,he took out mir for gods sake mir is a great fighter too .if anything his size is a disadvantage in mma most heavyweights are spent quickly and he is bigger than most,he has done the time and has been properly trained to be a true contender in mma and ufc and well i dont need to tell you that,cause hes the champ.

yeah his attitude is kinda cocky and crappy but hes a bad man what do you expect? win or loose lesner is not going anywhere and dont say just becuase he is big is the only reason he wins,thats crap,hes tha champ because hes a great wrestler and fighter and i dont see anyone taking that title from him anytime soon.

and back to ultimate fighter tv series,tonights show was good decent fight and rampage makes me laugh and rashaad had a good point rampage is a shitty coach.he needs to be more interactive with his fighters......

[Verik]

what was the result of the fight?

only vids i can find online cut out at like.... 3 min in the first when brandon reverses demigo, throws his legs to the right and comes down on him.

[SleepingTalon]

what was the result of the fight?

only vids i can find online cut out at like.... 3 min in the first when brandon reverses demigo, throws his legs to the right and comes down on him.

Brandon by anaconda choke which was practically gift wrapped and handed to him.

[Bus Driver J]

Yeah this weeks fight wasnt all too impressive. I thought what Rampage did before and after the fight was fucked up. He and his assistant coaches are dickheads. I dont care if the guy gave up immediately before a punch was thrown, you dont do that shit. It shows how great of a team they have going on, fail. It did show how great of a guy Rashaad really is by doing it himself.

4-0 baby. Fuck Rampage.

[ka24boost]

First of all i dont care about wrestling. How many mma fight have ncaa d1 champion ship? I will mention to the guy I train with that I have zero ground game at Paul creighton and knuckle up . as for lensaer here is his so call finish record Min soo kim lost 4 straight fight by ko before he fought lesnar. heath herring havnt won a straight fight since 05 and was about to get drop by the ufc. Conture havnt been the same in while so i stick with my early comment. Carwin also beat neil wain and gabirel gonzaga by ko. Also conture fought brock for a big pay day. In a end not brock never finish a fight he just lay on someone and deliver shot to the head. With the rule in the ufc if a fighter is unable to defending himself the fight must be stop. When some one said they finish a fight that mean someone got knock the fuck out.

YOU = FAIL

1- Mir threw 5 strikes in the last fight, 4 of them missed, so that point is total shit.
2- He's only good at wrestling because of his size? Spoken like a true idiot whose never trained a day in his life, and obviously you have ZERO experience in wrestling. You don't win a NCAA D1 title without skills. Wrestling has little to do with size, and is all hips, speed, and technique.
3- Lesnar has finished THREE of his FOUR wins, so get your facts straight. Beyond that, some would argue that he was pretty close to finishing Mir in their first fight, when he got that questionable stand up by Mazagatti.
4- He has zero ground game? Do you even know what "ground game" means? Wrestling is a huge part of a ground game, and beyond that, he totally controlled one of the best HW BJJ black belts in MMA. He kept Mir's hips flat using his WRESTLING to negate Mir's BJJ. Since you don't have a clue what you're looking at, you obviously missed that part.
5- He followed his gameplan, which was to put Mir on the ground and beat him up. He did that very easily too. You make it seem like Mir was winning this fight at any point. The ONE flurry Mir had was when he threw those 5 strikes, 4 of them missed (the 1 knee landed), and you use this as evidence. You seem so critical of Lesnar using his wrestling, when how many of the top MMA fighters use their wrestling to win fights? GSP, Randy, Hendo, Fitch, Koscheck, and the list goes on & on. It's called STRATEGY. If you don't like it, learn to defend against it.
6- So Shane Carwin makes Brock legitimate? Carwin has less cage time than Brock does! Yes he has more fights, but he's also spent less total time actually fighting. Also, look at the caliber of opponents. Carwin has fought CANS, while Brock has fought TOP 10 HW's. Carwin has never even been to the 2nd round, and because he's fighting nobodies (besides Gonzaga), he is more untested than Brock is. The simple fact is that Carwin isn't even Brock's toughest opponent. The only reason it's even mildly intriguing is because Carwin has some size and strength of his own. Beyond that, he's a poor mans Brock Lesnar, and inferior pretty much everywhere.

Oh, and lastly, Brock got his title shot because that's who RANDY asked to fight. When Randy came back from his contract dispute, they asked him who he wanted to fight, and he said "Brock". Beyond that, who was a more suitable opponent? Please elaborate, because I have yet to see one person who would have been a better replacement. Herring lost to Lesnar, Werdum got KO'd by Dos Santos, and there was really no one left. That takes like 6-7 of the HW's out of the mix. All the HW's that are credible fighters now, were not on the radar during that time.

[SleepingTalon]

First of all i dont care about wrestling. How many mma fight have ncaa d1 champion ship? I will mention to the guy I train with that I have zero ground game at Paul creighton and knuckle up . as for lensaer here is his so call finish record Min soo kim lost 4 straight fight by ko before he fought lesnar. heath herring havnt won a straight fight since 05 and was about to get drop by the ufc. Conture havnt been the same in while so i stick with my early comment. Carwin also beat neil wain and gabirel gonzaga by ko. Also conture fought brock for a big pay day. In a end not brock never finish a fight he just lay on someone and deliver shot to the head. With the rule in the ufc if a fighter is unable to defending himself the fight must be stop. When some one said they finish a fight that mean someone got knock the fuck out.

Obviously you don't care about wrestling, since you know NOTHING about it, or any training for that matter. Also, if you think that name dropping Paul or Knuckle Up is gonna impress me, you might wanna try again. I'm friends with Paul, as I've trained with him many times, and have trained at Knuckle Up before with many of those guys, including John Trent, Steve Headden, etc. Was that supposed to scare me?

At any rate, how many MMA fighters have D1 championships? A bunch of them, and they're all pretty good fighters. Josh Koscheck is the first one that comes to mind.though. If you're even trying to dispute that wrestlers comprise some of the best MMA fighters, you're delusional. I can name a half dozen right now who are at the TOP of their weight class, or A-level fighters in their own right

As for Brock's record, you can try to discredit it all you want, but it's FAR superior to Carwin's, and anyone else in MMA for their first 5 fights. Please try to name ANYONE whose fought competition that good at the beginning of their career, someone, ANYONE. Did you mention Neil Wain like it's some great accomplishment? Carwin's record is padded with CANS, and that's a FACT.

Here's the list of guys he's fought...
Min Soo Kim - Are you seriously trying to discredit this fight. It was Brock's FIRST MMA fight. Go look up your favorite fighter and see who they fought for their first PRO fight. Hell, he had like 7 pro fights to Brock's ZERO, so he was still as tough of an opponent as Brock could get given his experience level (and what the athletic commission will let you get away with).

Frank Mir - TOP 10 HW in the world, so how you can discredit this, I have no idea. This is absolutely a tough fight.


Heath Herring - TOP 15 HW in the world, and had how many pro fights compared to Brock? Herring had 42 Pro fights, and has fought guys like Fedor, Cro Cop, Nog, and Kongo, just to name a few. Where do you come up with this shit that he was about to get dropped by the UFC? More talking out of your ass about shit you have no clue about? For the record, he was coming off a WIN before he fought Brock, so get your facts straight. Beyond that, he's not even close to being dropped by the UFC, as he was offered a fight last month but pulled out due to injury. Yet he was gonna be cut, right? Get a clue.

Randy Couture - You say he's not the same, and that may be true...NOW, but it wasn't when Brock beat him. When Brock beat him, he was coming off two big wins over Gonzaga and Sylvia, so you can attempt to discredit it all you want, but you're failing as usual.

Oh, so only KO's count now? Do you have a clue of what "finishing a fight" means? Obviously not. Why do you even bother watching MMA then? So I guess guys like GSP, Maia, BJ Penn, Jon Fitch, and many others don't know how to finish fights either, huh? Do yourself a favor and quit now, because owning you is just too easy.

[THEONE]

damn man, you^^^ know a ton about mma and the ufc.... where do you train im guessing you do. and yeah im a lesner fan in heavyweight division.hes really talented and has fought with some of the greatest that the ufc has put in front of him,as his skills grow and he learns more i am convinced he will be one of the legends of mma.

it would be nice if he lost the cocky atitude but thats ok,hes 31 lol im 31 and i look like a minchkin compared to him hahaha lesner is a mma fighter no doubt about it......

[ka24boost]

We can do this all day. Just for fact heath loss all of of those fights except for one that was a spilt decision win. Plus all those other fighters you name correct me if I right have knock out and sumission right? I also will give credit to Conture for his win again gonzaga. Plus tim sylvia was on a 5 or 6 fight win streak and Conture punish him during the fight. But what conture was in the past is different then who he is now. The same with min soo kim who have a pro record of 3 win 6 losses in mma with 5 being knock out.It just IMO lensar dont deserve to be in the top 10. I also think kimbo show more over all ability then lensar he just need a camp to sharping his skill. I use to think kimbo was a wanna be fighter and he didnt deserve to be in a cage. But after watching the UFC ulitmate fighting he is trying to improve his skills

[SleepingTalon]

We can do this all day. Just for fact heath loss all of of those fights except for one that was a spilt decision win. Plus all those other fighters you name correct me if I right have knock out and sumission right? I also will give credit to Conture for his win again gonzaga. Plus tim sylvia was on a 5 or 6 fight win streak and Conture punish him during the fight. But what conture was in the past is different then who he is now. The same with min soo kim who have a pro record of 3 win 6 losses in mma with 5 being knock out.It just IMO lensar dont deserve to be in the top 10. I also think kimbo show more over all ability then lensar he just need a camp to sharping his skill. I use to think kimbo was a wanna be fighter and he didnt deserve to be in a cage. But after watching the UFC ulitmate fighting he is trying to improve his skills

The simple fact that you think Kimbo shows more skills/ability than Brock shows me that you have no clue of what you're looking at. Go post that statement on the UG with all the pro fighters, and see how fast you get laughed at. Kimbo can barely sprawl, has bad footwork, terrible cardio, and zero ground game (no wrestling, no BJJ), yet he's better than Brock, who shut down Mir's entire ground game (and Mir is an accomplished BJJ black belt). Beyond that, Kimbo has been training for 2yrs and still has no foundation, and no basics. Can he get better? Yes. Is he better than Brock? No way, not by a long shot.

Why do you keep bringing up Min Soo Kim? Min Soo Kim was Brock's VERY FIRST fight. Who would you like him to fight for his first fight? Fedor? Get a clue man.

Lesnar 100% deserves to be in the top 10, as he's BEATEN top 10 fighters. You do realize that that's how you move up rankings, right? You BEAT the guys ranked above you!

Here's another list of TOP MMA fighters first pro fights...

Fedor - 1st opponent, Martin Lazarov - MMA record 0-2
Dan Henderson - 1st opponent, Crezio De Souza - MMA record 1-2
BJ Penn - 1st opponent, Joey Gilbert - MMA record 2-3
Lyoto Machida - 1st opponent, Kengo Watanabe - MMA record 8-13

How about your boy Shane Carwin? His first fight, his opponent, Carlton Jones, was 1-4!
Do you see the trend here? It's their FIRST FIGHTS & you don't get fed top guys just like that.

GSP has never knocked anyone out, so I guess he doesn't count as a real fighter too, huh? I guess in your eyes, Kimbo shows more ability than GSP, since you have to KO people to show that you have REAL skills, right? TKO's, and submissions don't count in your world. You should do yourself a favor and go watch boxing, because that's more up to your speed.

[SleepingTalon]

damn man, you^^^ know a ton about mma and the ufc.... where do you train im guessing you do. and yeah im a lesner fan in heavyweight division.hes really talented and has fought with some of the greatest that the ufc has put in front of him,as his skills grow and he learns more i am convinced he will be one of the legends of mma.

it would be nice if he lost the cocky atitude but thats ok,hes 31 lol im 31 and i look like a minchkin compared to him hahaha lesner is a mma fighter no doubt about it......

Yes, I've been training for quite awhile. Just under 5yrs. I train at KBX, but am switching to Alliance next month to train with Cobrinha, who got to the finals at ADCC this year. There are a lot of good BJJ guys there, and I need to work on my game in the GI.

As for Brock, yes he improves leaps and bound every time he fights. Simply because he's fighting high caliber opponents, and has the best training camps money can buy. His NCAA D1 title is really what's helping him right now, as his athletic ability, mixed in with that wrestling pedigree, is a tough task to handle. People simply hate on him because his WWE tenure, but I just don't care what someones job was before they started to fight. Anderson Silva worked at McDonalds, so does that make him any less of a fighter? The blind hate gets old, especially when people try to say he has no skills, or the ridiculous notion that Kimbo shows more ability. Kimbo, the guy that got KO'd buy a C-level fighter from a weight class below him, is better than Brock? That's just pure comedy.

[ka24boost]

Gsp did knock out matt hughes but it was counted as a tko because it happen at the end of the round. I would have like to see him fight al turk or pat barry You cant compare those people you name to brock they put in work. fedor 31-1 bj 14-5 csp 19-2 compare to brock 4-1 or kimbo 3-1. How the hell you going to have 5 fights and be label the best heavy weight in the world bull shit. I see kimbo improving a lot in the future cause of his new camp and trainer. For the record kimbo havnt done shit in the past he havnt fought any game fighter. Brock lesnar is a good wrestler but he have no stand up IMO. He got ground control because his size like rampage said it like having the moon on you how you going to move the moon. One day I may eat my words and said brock deserve to be the best in world but right now he dont. by the way what weight class are you in. We are hosting a bully brawl next year if you interested.

[ka24boost]

also just for the record kyle maynard is a world class wrestler.

[SleepingTalon]

Gsp did knock out matt hughes but it was counted as a tko because it happen at the end of the round. I would have like to see him fight al turk or pat barry You cant compare those people you name to brock they put in work. fedor 31-1 bj 14-5 csp 19-2 compare to brock 4-1 or kimbo 3-1. How the hell you going to have 5 fights and be label the best heavy weight in the world bull shit. I see kimbo improving a lot in the future cause of his new camp and trainer. For the record kimbo havnt done shit in the past he havnt fought any game fighter. Brock lesnar is a good wrestler but he have no stand up IMO. He got ground control because his size like rampage said it like having the moon on you how you going to move the moon. One day I may eat my words and said brock deserve to be the best in world but right now he dont. by the way what weight class are you in. We are hosting a bully brawl next year if you interested.

GSP never KO'd Matt Hughes. He TKO'd him with strikes on the ground and sub'd him the next time. The comparison I made to Fedor, BJ, etc, is because you seem to think that fighting Min Soo Kim was so terrible, yet ALL of the above named fighters fought easy fights in their debuts. The simple fact is that Brock has had the toughest first 5 fights of anyone, and hasn't been handed anything easy. Kimbo had 2yrs to train with Bas, and Xtreme Couture, and pretty much learned nothing, so it's not like him training at ATT is gonna make some huge difference. Also, for the record, Kimbo has trained with ATT in the past, and quit because guys were tapping him and kicking his ass.

Again you keep bringing up Brock's size. If being big was all that mattered, then Jan Nortje and Bob Sapp would be world champions. Brock has good top control and GnP because of his WRESTLING, not because of his size. There are plenty of strikers who get TKO'd over and over because they have no wrestling or BJJ, so it works both ways. Striking isn't everything man. It's just ONE piece of the puzzle, so you should really stop referring to it as the end all be all of skills.

Oh, and I walk around at 150-155, so I cut weight from there depending on what I'm doing.

[SleepingTalon]

also just for the record kyle maynard is a world class wrestler.

Is that a fucking joke? I hope so.

[Verik]

lol @ ka24boost in this thread.... i suggest you give up, you've been shut down every single time you talk.

plus it hurts to read your butchered english.

[Greddypacked]

I see kimbo improving a lot in the future cause of his new camp and trainer. For the record kimbo havnt done shit in the past he havnt fought any game fighter. Brock lesnar is a good wrestler but he have no stand up IMO. He got ground control because his size like rampage....


I see Kimbo improving also, but he is not in the class to Brock. I read about how you say Wrestling has no effect in MMA that much. :headslap: Wow Wrestling itself can win matches but yes it takes an overall MMA fighter to win now adays. Wrestling=huge cardio and usually can outlast most opponents in energy, +A in take downs, and helps w/ BJJ and knowing wrestling and ground control + submitting all together is oh sh!t. Oh and about Brock doesnt have any standup please show me... cuz every fight I have seen him in he crushes people in standup to a mere pulp.

[Verik]

Oh and about Brock doesnt have any standup please show me... cuz every fight I have seen him in he crushes people in standup to a mere pulp.


+1, wasn't mir's whole strat based around avoiding standup?

[THEONE]

Yes, I've been training for quite awhile. Just under 5yrs. I train at KBX, but am switching to Alliance next month to train with Cobrinha, who got to the finals at ADCC this year. There are a lot of good BJJ guys there, and I need to work on my game in the GI.

As for Brock, yes he improves leaps and bound every time he fights. Simply because he's fighting high caliber opponents, and has the best training camps money can buy. His NCAA D1 title is really what's helping him right now, as his athletic ability, mixed in with that wrestling pedigree, is a tough task to handle. People simply hate on him because his WWE tenure, but I just don't care what someones job was before they started to fight. Anderson Silva worked at McDonalds, so does that make him any less of a fighter? The blind hate gets old, especially when people try to say he has no skills, or the ridiculous notion that Kimbo shows more ability. Kimbo, the guy that got KO'd buy a C-level fighter from a weight class below him, is better than Brock? That's just pure comedy.

im with ya,to say kimbo would beat lesner is not possible right now and kimbo would laugh at that too since he even stated hes still learnin, they are on different levels.if it were a straight boxing match i wouldsay kimbo all day long, i like kimbo and enjoy his fights and would very much like to see him in the ufc,but he would lose horribly to lesner he isnt near ready.hes got heart and if he gets his head right kimbo could be one of the best in the ufc,but i will say he has his hands full,becuase the ufc if full of very talented and hungry fighters...

WWE or not lesner is a true athlete and i think thats his number 1 goal,to prove to himself and everyone else he isnt a joke and that he is a true athlete and a damn big assed brick wall hahaha. lesner will be a champ for along time. as im typing this i bet hes in a gym somewhere bustin his ass to be the best...or hunting lol

[tun3th1s]

Kimbo has stand-up, thats about it. Once on the ground he just lays there and gets hit! He lost a shitty fight, if he knew a simple escape would have gone back to the feet. But im sure once they clinched up again, he would have gotten taken down again. Kimbo has good hands thats about it. Dana white even said he would get murdered in the UFC, if he ever made it. Kinda tired of hearing about Alliance... just sayin'

[ka24boost]

do you even know who he is? He competed in the 2004 Georgia High School Wrestling Championships. Maynard had a record of 35 wins 16 losses as a high school wrestler. He graduated from Collins Hill High School. The only reason he dont wrestle in college is because uga dont have a team and he will be in the next world games. Dont forget his purple belt in belt in bj under creighton


Is that a fucking joke? I hope so.

[ka24boost]

We will wait and see the result of the shane carwin fight

lol @ ka24boost in this thread.... i suggest you give up, you've been shut down every single time you talk.

plus it hurts to read your butchered english.

[ka24boost]

All the other other fights brock out weight his opp by 15 or more pound. Shane carwin weight in at 265

[SleepingTalon]

do you even know who he is? He competed in the 2004 Georgia High School Wrestling Championships. Maynard had a record of 35 wins 16 losses as a high school wrestler. He graduated from Collins Hill High School. The only reason he dont wrestle in college is because uga dont have a team and he will be in the next world games. Dont forget his purple belt in belt in bj under creighton

WTF? GA isn't even a competitive state when it comes to wrestling, nor is that record even close to "world class". Cael Sanderson is WORLD CLASS. Kurt Angle is WORLD CLASS. Joe Warren is WORLD CLASS. Daniel Cormier is WORLD CLASS. These guys are all successful in international competition, went to they Olympics, have several NCAA titles to their names, etc. 35 wins and 16 losses in fucking HIGH SCHOOL (and in a state with shitty wrestling like GA) is hardly "world class". It's great he has a purple belt under Paul, but what does that have to do with him having "world class" wrestling? Which he obviously doesn't have.

[ka24boost]

The main different from the people you name is kyle did it with no arms and legs. He was born with out limb and still manage to wrestle and he train a lot of top mma fighter. Also he compete in nationally.

[SleepingTalon]

The main different from the people you name is kyle did it with no arms and legs. He was born with out limb and still manage to wrestle and he train a lot of top mma fighter. Also he compete in nationally.

As much as you can admire someone for doing that, it doesn't make you world class. Sorry, but you need to learn the definition of that term.

[ka24boost]

Sorry I wasnt the one that gave him that titled. So just because some have a titled of world class doesnt make them world class right.

As much as you can admire someone for doing that, it doesn't make you world class. Sorry, but you need to learn the definition of that term.

[SleepingTalon]

Sorry I wasnt the one that gave him that titled. So just because some have a titled of world class doesnt make them world class right.

Please show me anywhere that has him listed as being a "world class" wrestler. How the fuck can you be a world class wrestler when you've never competed at a higher level than high school, and even then, your high school record isn't all that great. Furthermore, no international competition, and nothing post high school AT ALL. Sorry, but as inspiring as his story might be, it doesn't make him world class.

[JR VQ 30 de]

i really think rashad can take on rampage

[TIGERJC]

I feel sorry for the guys on rampage team, b/c how it is getting depicted rampage team is getting out coach. It seems rashad has or is going to start his own camp in the near future

[JR VQ 30 de]

I feel sorry for the guys on rampage team, b/c how it is getting depicted rampage team is getting out coach. It seems rashad has or is going to start his own camp in the near future

i don't think rampages team has learned any new techniques since they got there . rashad team has 5 wins and 0 losses

[ShooterMcGavin]

wow, 6-0 so far. i love rampage and thinks he's an excellent fighter but he can't coach worth a shit.

[JR VQ 30 de]

wow, 6-0 so far. i love rampage and thinks he's an excellent fighter but he can't coach worth a shit.


hold up 6-0 who fought i have seen the fights till 5-0 didn't know 6-0 was aired yet..

[blown_ss]

hold up 6-0 who fought i have seen the fights till 5-0 didn't know 6-0 was aired yet..

yes they are 6-0. there are only 2 fights left in this round. rampage is my favorite fighter but i'd like to see evans run with it since it has never been done before.

[Verik]

yes they are 6-0. there are only 2 fights left in this round. rampage is my favorite fighter but i'd like to see evans run with it since it has never been done before.

so did rampage lose again? i missed it

[Verik]

just watched the aftermath... looks like rampage is 0-7.... apparently it was a decent fight though. went to judges.

[neon_ert3]

i didnt see it either but i kno every fight that goes to the judges is an automatic win for rashad

[THEONE]

anyone still watchin the show?

[The Creeper]

This season has sucked. Now it looks like Kimbo will fight mcsweeny, which would redeem the entire season if he knocks that annoying brit out.

[THEONE]

This season has sucked. Now it looks like Kimbo will fight mcsweeny, which would redeem the entire season if he knocks that annoying brit out.

lol, i really want kimbo to fight, but mc sweeny for real, his fight was a joke he looked like crap in the cage.

[The Creeper]

Yea I agree. I think Kimbo matches up well with him. Roy was too smart for kimbo.

[THEONE]

Yea I agree. I think Kimbo matches up well with him. Roy was too smart for kimbo.

yeah roy knew kimbo is a straight street fighter and boxer and took advantage.i hope kimbo gets another shot,i really think he has a place in the ufc and learned alot from the roy nelson fight......

[Quickfeet]

Tonights fight went completely different then what I expected to happen in a blink of an eye! I mean it was one of the moments where you pause, rewind, and play in slo-motion. Great ending to a classic fight match-up.

[THEONE]

Tonights fight went completely different then what I expected to happen in a blink of an eye! I mean it was one of the moments where you pause, rewind, and play in slo-motion. Great ending to a classic fight match-up.

yeah dude was hangin on that cage thought he was screwed and bam! he finished the guy lol......

[Quickfeet]

yeah dude was hangin on that cage thought he was screwed and bam! he finished the guy lol......

Yea like Rashad said I was expecting atleast a point to be taken away from him for that but then hell at the end that point didn't really matter:goodjob:.

[HyPer50]

The last fight went about like I expected, I just figured Schaub would beat him sooner than he did. I hope if meathead fights he gets his ass kicked.. such a whiner.