Miata coilovers

[Decepticon™]

Im not to familiar with miatas so idk what the "good" and "bad" parts are. so im lookin at coilovers and i found these...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MIATA-89-90-91-92-93-94-95-96-SPRINGS-SHOCKS-COILOVER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em1 4QQhashZitem588339b8cdQQitemZ380158720205QQptZMoto rsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

and the car is a daily driver so im not looking to spend like 2000 for coilovers. i just wanna be lower

[Cool Cat Racing]

Unless you just want to slam it and fuck up the suspension like the car in your sig there are plenty of shock/spring options that will ride nice, handle well, and cost about the same.

[matthewAPM]

GC coilovers and koni shocks

[CHADbee]

if you not gong to be racing the car then these will be fine, really, if its not going to on the track/in the mountains then there is no point to spend $1000 on suspension.

[Cool Cat Racing]

if you not gong to be racing the car then these will be fine, really, if its not going to on the track/in the mountains then there is no point to spend $1000 on suspension.

I can tell you've never ridden in a car with good suspension. Even on the street its a huge difference. A decent set of shocks/springs will ride better, handle better, keep the suspension geometry right, and cost the same. I've gone from even nice shock/spring setups to nice coilovers and loved the street ride even more. A cheap set of coilovers rides like shit, doesn't last, and handles like ass. I'm about tired of the "if you don't race it won't matter" BS. If you want your car to look like shit because its too low, ride like shit because its too low and on shitty suspension, and damages the body work and frame then go for it. If you want it to actually handle properly, ride like it should, and not fuck everything up then just save your money and get good coilovers or go the route that countless thousands of other miata owners did and get some springs and some koni's.

[CHADbee]

I can tell you've never ridden in a car with good suspension. Even on the street its a huge difference. A decent set of shocks/springs will ride better, handle better, keep the suspension geometry right, and cost the same. I've gone from even nice shock/spring setups to nice coilovers and loved the street ride even more. A cheap set of coilovers rides like shit, doesn't last, and handles like ass. I'm about tired of the "if you don't race it won't matter" BS. If you want your car to look like shit because its too low, ride like shit because its too low and on shitty suspension, and damages the body work and frame then go for it. If you want it to actually handle properly, ride like it should, and not fuck everything up then just save your money and get good coilovers or go the route that countless thousands of other miata owners did and get some springs and some koni's.
dont let the picture in my sig fool ya....i have had....

96 civic coupe with Skunk2 springs and Tokico Illumina
SRT4 with eibach springs on stock shocks
350Z with Tanabe GF210's on stock shocks
94 civic sedan with Skunk2 springs and KYB AGX
SRT4 with BC Racing inverted coilovers with rear camber plates($1400 set up)


noooo....your right i have no experience with different types of basic suspension set-ups :rolleyes:

his car is going to ride like shit regardless cause he is going to slam it. it might ride alittle better with a NICE set of coilovers but if he had the $ for JIC/stance/buddy club or any of the other high quality set-ups out there i dont think he would have been looking at these. your right though, a nice set of coilovers will ride and handle better....is it worth double the money to him? i dont think they would ride any worse than a spring/shock set-up at the same height.

[Cool Cat Racing]

I'm trying to point him to shock/springs. There's quite a few for the miata that lower it a good bit but aren't that bad. On a first gen he's going to be riding the bump stops in the rears either way so it can only go so low regardless. My other attempt was to try to keep him from putting it in the dirt and fucking up a perfectly good car. Of course all the honda kids these days don't think a car is done unless its riding on 0 offset knockoffs and rubbing on every corner with retarded amounts of camber. And not to talk shit but the SRT 4 was the only car you listed even close to even a half decent suspension. Stock shocks with anything but stock springs is pointless, Illuminas suck, and AGX's are barely adequate with anything other than low spring rates. My rant wasn't as much directed to you or him, I'm just tired of everyone who hasn't ever had a truly good suspension say it doesn't matter unless you're racing the car. My DD BMW does see some track time but its 90% my street car and has an H&R Cup suspension with all urethane bushings in everything on the car and everything is now adjustable. It rides 10x better on the street than a stock E30 and handles far beyond even an M3.

[SandM]

i'm sorry, but it really depends on the person. I've ridden on shock/spring combos and i've ridden on a nice coil-over set-up. but i could really care less how the ride was. the stock suspension on my car now is a little bit better than the skunk2 pros on my integra and that's not saying much. forcing your opinion on how a car's ride needs to be should just stay advice, not commands.
if he wants a good quality ride, he may take the advice on the shock/spring combo. if he wants to slam it, he'll probably just ignore your "commands"

[Catnip]

Ebay coilovers + AGX = shit and low as a stock miata on the lowest setting.

I've read H&R + AGX = WIN

If you want coilovers, just look for a used set from someone upgrading. Metalman on MX5atlanta.com or even Ryan at CCR might be able to find you some.

[speedminded]

i'm sorry, but it really depends on the person. I've ridden on shock/spring combos and i've ridden on a nice coil-over set-up. but i could really care less how the ride was. the stock suspension on my car now is a little bit better than the skunk2 pros on my integra and that's not saying much. forcing your opinion on how a car's ride needs to be should just stay advice, not commands.
if he wants a good quality ride, he may take the advice on the shock/spring combo. if he wants to slam it, he'll probably just ignore your "commands"Define "nice coil-over setup". I've driven everything on a Honda from stock with springs to $1,500 setups to over $1,400 PER CORNER...on a Civic/Integra! I won't even get into the BMW setups. Anyone that doesn't think quality & well maintained suspension doesn't matter 100% of the time the car is moving then they haven't been in a car that is properly setup.

Doesn't mean he has to go out and buy Moton or Ohlin but with a no-name coil-over dampener you most likely won't get customer service or a suitable warranty with it. I've seen so many coil-overs straight out of the box break dampener/rebound adjustment knobs as soon as they are installed. It's highly unlikely they will replace it.

I always push Tein full coil-over setups but personally I'd get koni yellows & ground control (or eibach springs with no name sleeve). I know you can find used sets from people that have upgraded to high quality coil-over dampers. Hell, for $700 I'm sure you can find used high quality coil-overs from the race/spec miata forums. They may be used but they are probably better than the new no-names plus many of the higher end dampeners are rebuildable so they'll virtually last forever.

[SandM]

Define "nice coil-over setup". I've driven everything on a Honda from stock with springs to $1,500 setups to over $1,400 PER CORNER...on a Civic/Integra! I won't even get into the BMW setups. Anyone that doesn't think quality & well maintained suspension doesn't matter 100% of the time the car is moving then they haven't been in a car that is properly setup.

Doesn't mean he has to go out and buy Moton or Ohlin but with a no-name coil-over dampener you most likely won't get customer service or a suitable warranty with it. I've seen so many coil-overs straight out of the box break dampener/rebound adjustment knobs as soon as they are installed. It's highly unlikely they will replace it.

Personally I'd get koni yellows & ground control (or eibach springs with no name sleeve). I know you can find used sets from people that have upgraded to high quality coil-over dampers. Hell, for $700 I'm sure you can find used high quality coil-overs from the race/spec miata forums. They may be used but they are probably better than the new no-names plus many of the higher end dampeners are rebuildable so they'll virtually last forever.

my point was never to discredit anyone and their experience with a high-quality coil-over setup, nor to say that a high quality coil-over setup doesn't matter. I was referring to daily driving. I was simply stating that whether the person wants supreme ride quality or amazing handling is up to them. As the OP stated,

and the car is a daily driver so im not looking to spend like 2000 for coilovers. i just wanna be lower
he really just wants the car lower (it's already on springs if i'm correct).

[speedminded]

my point was never to discredit anyone and their experience with a high-quality coil-over setup, nor to say that a high quality coil-over setup doesn't matter. I was referring to daily driving. I was simply stating that whether the person wants supreme ride quality or amazing handling is up to them. As the OP stated,
he really just wants the car lower (it's already on springs if i'm correct).The only people that say that are the ones that aren't willing or can't invest into a quality setup.

He posted a new $650 setup. He should invest that into a higher quality used setup.

[SandM]

The only people that say that are the ones that aren't willing or can't invest into a quality setup.

He posted a new $650 setup. He should invest that into a higher quality used setup.

I never said that a used set-up was a bad idea.
And i apologize if I have offended you saying that I don't feel like dumping useless money into my DD when I could easily just save it to put into my toy. That's just how my priorities are arranged. As far as my toy is concerned, I would never toss a bullshit suspension set-up under it just so I can achieve a small improvement. If I'm going to do it, I'll do it right. Hence the not being able to invest in a quality setup. Hell yea, right now I can't afford the suspension I want. Once again, this is why my suspension is still stock.

[PURP]

some of the comments in this thread are funny... And some people are missing the whole point of this thread. and some people need to learn what others have on their other cars before calling it shitty suspension.

[speedminded]

I never said that a used set-up was a bad idea.
And i apologize if I have offended you saying that I don't feel like dumping useless money into my DD when I could easily just save it to put into my toy. That's just how my priorities are arranged. As far as my toy is concerned, I would never toss a bullshit suspension set-up under it just so I can achieve a small improvement. If I'm going to do it, I'll do it right. Hence the not being able to invest in a quality setup. Hell yea, right now I can't afford the suspension I want. Once again, this is why my suspension is still stock.$650 is $650 whether you spend it on coil-overs or junior bacon cheeseburgers. You can spend $100 on a steak or you can feed 100 people hamburgers with it...what is the better value? Why not get the steak at the cost of hamburger? You can get higher quality setups used for the cost of the no-name coil-over.

[ZenMotors]

I can do $949.99 Shipped for BC racing. And not much more for Stance USA. LMK if that works for you.

[PURP]

Hamburgers... steaks.... fish.... french fries... you eat what you want... not whats value... The OP wants what he wants. which is not high dollar suspension. He just wnts his car lowered. nothing more nothing less. He's not gonna hit up road atlanta or anything like that with his"DD"... his hatch has high dollar suspension, just in case he wants to do that. People are missing the point of this thread.

ALL THE OP WANTED WAS TO KNOW ABOUT DECENT SUSPENSION FOR CHEAP FOR A MIATA. NOT WHAT SUSPENSION IS BETTER AND MORE EXSPNSIVE. AGAIN, HE JUST WANTS TO LOWER HIS 'DD' TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES AT STOCK TRIM.

NOW QUIT ARGUING ABOUT IT.

[speedminded]

Hamburgers... steaks.... fish.... french fries... you eat what you want... not whats value... The OP wants what he wants. which is not high dollar suspension. He just wnts his car lowered. nothing more nothing less. He's not gonna hit up road atlanta or anything like that with his"DD"... his hatch has high dollar suspension, just in case he wants to do that. People are missing the point of this thread.

ALL THE OP WANTED WAS TO KNOW ABOUT DECENT SUSPENSION FOR CHEAP FOR A MIATA. NOT WHAT SUSPENSION IS BETTER AND MORE EXSPNSIVE. AGAIN, HE JUST WANTS TO LOWER HIS 'DD' TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES AT STOCK TRIM.

NOW QUIT ARGUING ABOUT IT.You are hopeless lol!

[Catnip]

Hamburgers... steaks.... fish.... french fries... you eat what you want... not whats value... The OP wants what he wants. which is not high dollar suspension. He just wnts his car lowered. nothing more nothing less. He's not gonna hit up road atlanta or anything like that with his"DD"... his hatch has high dollar suspension, just in case he wants to do that. People are missing the point of this thread.

ALL THE OP WANTED WAS TO KNOW ABOUT DECENT SUSPENSION FOR CHEAP FOR A MIATA. NOT WHAT SUSPENSION IS BETTER AND MORE EXSPNSIVE. AGAIN, HE JUST WANTS TO LOWER HIS 'DD' TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES AT STOCK TRIM.

NOW QUIT ARGUING ABOUT IT.


You're wrong.










:D

I agree with speedminded and myself, no use in getting cheap new, when you can get GOOD used for the same price :goodjob:

[PURP]

You are hopeless lol!


lol.... otay.... you just can't comprehend what the op wants.

and I never said buying used good suspension over new crappy was bad. but him finding used good suspension versus fuinding something that will work for HIS needs will be quicker. I mean I have great suspension. I paid the price for it too. But if my purpose was to just lower my DD and not use it, then why would I care if it rode great or not?? I wouldn't. Something called LIFE, not everyone will view things the same. You have your opinion, which is a respectible one, and I have mine which is also a respectible one. Just let it go and move on... Pretty easy task to deal with if you ask me.

[speedminded]

He just wnts his car lowered. nothing more nothing less. Then why was this thread made? Why weren't the springs already heated for FREE?


lol.... otay.... you just can't comprehend what the op wants.

and I never said buying used good suspension over new crappy was bad. but him finding used good suspension versus fuinding something that will work for HIS needs will be quicker. I mean I have great suspension. I paid the price for it too. But if my purpose was to just lower my DD and not use it, then why would I care if it rode great or not?? I wouldn't. Something called LIFE, not everyone will view things the same. You have your opinion, which is a respectible one, and I have mine which is also a respectible one. Just let it go and move on... Pretty easy task to deal with if you ask me.Since you're representing him...

There is nothing respectable about wasting money on inferior products. It will be quicker? How hard is it to browse craigslists and a few forums? If he didn't want to hear peoples opinions then the thread wouldn't have been made.

[SandM]

$650 is $650 whether you spend it on coil-overs or junior bacon cheeseburgers. You can spend $100 on a steak or you can feed 100 people hamburgers with it...what is the better value? Why not get the steak at the cost of hamburger? You can get higher quality setups used for the cost of the no-name coil-over.


I never said that a used set-up was a bad idea.

wait, what?

[Doppelgänger]

If I were looking for suspension advice, i'd never fathom the idea of asking on IA lolololol



I see where this is going to go. Like so many people who have picked up Miatas in the past couple of years, they think the car is going to be suber bad-ass and for cheap. They buy cheap shit for it, find out those parts make the car look/feel/drive/handle like ass and also think that adding intake and exhaust makes some big difference like their buddies Honda. Once they find out that it doesn't work like that, they get disappointed and sell the car...esp the 1.6 cars because they are incredibly slow without decent FI. Am I being harsh? Probably. But there are TONS of places to rear about what works and what doesn't. I see the posting of ebay garbage as not wanting to do research outside of IA.

www.miata.net
www.racingbeat.com
www.flyinmiata.com
http://fatcatmotorsports.com
www.good-win-racing.com

Now go spend about 2 weeks reading.

Worrying about ride height is the last prority when looking at suspension if one even remotely cares about how it's going to feel. Wanna go "cheap" and not gripe? KONI yellows and H&R springs and some Raving Beat sway bars. All that brand new is about $800 and is well balanced. Just because you don't want to "go to the track" doesn't mean you should cast all thoughts about ride quality out the window and some cheap shit crappy eGay suspension. Miataq suspension was designed from the get-go for handling..not grocery shopping like 240s and Civics.

[speedminded]

wait, what?Do you really need me to break this down for you even further?


I never said that a used set-up was a bad idea.
And i apologize if I have offended you saying that I don't feel like dumping useless money into my DD when I could easily just save it to put into my toy. That's just how my priorities are arranged.Useless money? You're not offending me...$650 is $650, no matter how you spend it.


As far as my toy is concerned, I would never toss a bullshit suspension set-up under it just so I can achieve a small improvement.Why when for the SAME price you can have better?


If I'm going to do it, I'll do it right. Hence the not being able to invest in a quality setup. Hell yea, right now I can't afford the suspension I want. Once again, this is why my suspension is still stock.If--someone--can--spend--650--dollars--on--new--suspension--then--that--person--can--spend--the--exact--same--650--dollars--on--better--used--suspension.

It has nothing to do with priorities or willingness to spend anymore because it's the same price, give or take a small bit. The people that have replied logically have been there, done that, bought the sound track and the t-shirt. Plus they've also fixed other peoples bad purchase mistakes.

[speedminded]

If I were looking for suspension advice, i'd never fathom the idea of asking on IA lolololol



I see where this is going to go. Like so many people who have picked up Miatas in the past couple of years, they think the car is going to be suber bad-ass and for cheap. They buy cheap shit for it, find out those parts make the car look/feel/drive/handle like ass and also think that adding intake and exhaust makes some big difference like their buddies Honda. Once they find out that it doesn't work like that, they get disappointed and sell the car...esp the 1.6 cars because they are incredibly slow without decent FI. Am I being harsh? Probably. But there are TONS of places to rear about what works and what doesn't. I see the posting of ebay garbage as not wanting to do research outside of IA.

www.miata.net
www.racingbeat.com
www.flyinmiata.com
http://fatcatmotorsports.com
www.good-win-racing.com

Now go spend about 2 weeks reading.

Worrying about ride height is the last prority when looking at suspension if one even remotely cares about how it's going to feel. Wanna go "cheap" and not gripe? KONI yellows and H&R springs and some Raving Beat sway bars. All that brand new is about $800 and is well balanced. Just because you don't want to "go to the track" doesn't mean you should cast all thoughts about ride quality out the window and some cheap shit crappy eGay suspension. Miataq suspension was designed from the get-go for handling..not grocery shopping like 240s and Civics.The only difference that really makes is noise. Removing the weight of the hood from a stock Honda will probably make the car faster than putting on a "cold-air" intake and exhaust lol.

[SandM]

Do you really need me to break this down for you even further?

Useless money? You're not offending me...$650 is $650, no matter how you spend it.

Why when for the SAME price you can have better?

If--someone--can--spend--650--dollars--on--new--suspension--then--that--person--can--spend--the--exact--same--650--dollars--on--better--used--suspension.

It has nothing to do with priorities or willingness to spend anymore because it's the same price, give or take a small bit. The people that have replied logically have been there, done that, bought the sound track and the t-shirt. Plus they've also fixed other peoples bad purchase mistakes.


ok, after all that breaking down for me... i think you missed where I had agree'd with you on the used suspension thing...... so we're no beating around the bush anymore.

and thank you dopple for chiming in.... i'm sure neil will appreciate your input
and you speedminded, thanks for the used suspension idea.

[Catnip]

The only difference that really makes is noise. Removing the weight of the hood from a stock Honda will probably make the car faster than putting on a "cold-air" intake and exhaust lol.

The B-series and K-series respond very well to a GOOD full exhaust, GOOD intake, and tune... but you know that :)

[JITB]

Ive said it time and time again... IA aint the place for questions like this it will never get answered... and it will end in a cock fight..

follow white roadster aka doppleganger's links hes got the right idea!

[Barefoot]

I'm about tired of the "if you don't race it won't matter" BS. If you want your car to look like shit because its too low, ride like shit because its too low and on shitty suspension, and damages the body work and frame then go for it. man please this is IA. where everybody wants to be slammed with fucked up camber and a car that cant turn with shit. lololololol thats the way it looks around. everybody just wants to slammed and dont give a shit about anything else. lololol there motto is who needs an alignment when i can just max out the camber.

[Cool Cat Racing]

ALL THE OP WANTED WAS TO KNOW ABOUT DECENT SUSPENSION FOR CHEAP FOR A MIATA. NOT WHAT SUSPENSION IS BETTER AND MORE EXSPNSIVE. AGAIN, HE JUST WANTS TO LOWER HIS 'DD' TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES AT STOCK TRIM.

NOW QUIT ARGUING ABOUT IT.

That's exactly what most of us are trying to do. He asked if those were decent and the universal answer is NO. Then everyone tried to tell him how he can get decent suspension for about the same amount of money as the cheap shit he was looking at. He wanted to know what works in a given price range and people offered their opinions. I've used nearly every kind of both good and bad suspension and the good ones achieved the look and rode better. If he can get good for the same price then there really is no argument is there?

[Decepticon™]

damn thanx everyone. i think everyone has been a big help.

I lOve IA

Oh by the way i already bought the coilovers...

[Doppelgänger]

...and to give you an idea about being patient and not just running out and buying the first thing you see ,there is a set of JIC coil-overs on another Miata site for $1000....aka..a damn steal for something thatmakes fleabay brand suspension seem like cust srpings on blown shocks.

[Decepticon™]

...and to give you an idea about being patient and not just running out and buying the first thing you see ,there is a set of JIC coil-overs on another Miata site for $1000....aka..a damn steal for something thatmakes fleabay brand suspension seem like cust srpings on blown shocks.

what site??? im actually looking at some BCs or Stance coilovers...

[Doppelgänger]

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