The Military

[§treet_§peed]

I was just wondering those of you that are enlisted. What Branch are you in. What is your job? Do you enjoy it? What are you views towards it. I ask this because even tho I scored really well on the ASVAB Practice test, because I have several traffic tickets on my record since I was 16, only one in the past three years btw, that I can not join. LOL funny how things work huh.

[§treet_§peed]

This is what I was told about three days ago when I went to the local armed forces recruiters offices for the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Navy. So that means, IF there was ever a draft, I can't be enlisted because of my driving record. Technically speaking....

[Jason..]

Join the navy..your a pussy so it works out well for both parties...

[§treet_§peed]

LOL funny. considering i could prolly out last you as far as endurance goes.

[Jason..]

LOL funny. considering i could prolly out last you as far as endurance goes.Key word in your sentence lol.Im messin w u btw

[§treet_§peed]

BTW, obviously you can't read. I said this is what i was told after going to all of the recruiters offices... i know i' not worried about it. i was considering it because of the field of work i would like to do. but i guess not now. now back to job searching. i was hoping i could be obama's bitch and have him and the gov't support me.

[§treet_§peed]

the only thing is i don't see how half the fucking garbage gets to join when some of them have the IQ of a fucking stump. There is this kid i went to school with who has had i know at least three drug charges and dropped out in 10th grade and made the enlistment process.

[§treet_§peed]

btw i had a overall score of 92 on it. Now thats not the AFQT just a ASVAB practice test. which i believe i done pretty well. its not as hard as i thought it would be. i took a few pracitce test online to get the jist of it. I tell you tho, there are some things on there i haven't used since middle school. man i was like aw wtf i don't remember this shit. i was like damn i thought i'd never use this again.

[B3AST]

im an army cadet and i enjoy it, except pt with msg goosby lol

[§treet_§peed]

lol a lot of people have told me that the training can be a bitch. but most of these people that told me this i worked out with in the gym. most i could out do as far as endurance when we would do burnouts.

[Truegiant]

the only thing is i don't see how half the fucking garbage gets to join when some of them have the IQ of a fucking stump. There is this kid i went to school with who has had i know at least three drug charges and dropped out in 10th grade and made the enlistment process.

Its because he enlisted before FY2009 probably. You could get retards and convicted felons in then. Now that FY2009 and now FY2010 is just around the corner its going to get harder and harder to come in. I am personally glad. Now I just wish we could kick out half of the dumbasses that are in now out.

I will answer your OP questions when i get back home.

[§treet_§peed]

i mean all i have is a few traffic tickets. nothing else. no drug charges or any shit like that. Even my traffic tickets are nothing extreme.

[BlueLude94]

Back on topic...USAF, F-16(but can work on any fighter) crewcheif, I have been doing it for 3 yrs. I honestly love it majority of the ppl constatly bitch about it(long-hours, back-breaking work) but I have accepted the fact that no matter what my job is there will always be downsides. I have/am deployed to Iraq twice, and been to Germany, Israel, Kuwait, Turkey, and Las Vegas.

As for your record, IDK, you can pretty much get waiver for anything besides a felony w/ the airforce. I had 3 speeding tickets and loss my liscence for 6 months for one of them.

As for the branches go, I have worked along side army, navy and marines and AF by far has it the easiest. So unless you like sleeping in tents and taking showers once a week AF is the way too go...we got all the hot-chicks too. ..::Recuiter mode:OFF::..

you can PM me for any additional Questions, I'm don't post here very often.

[tybalt6691]

Air Force, Satcom GREAT JOB, GREAT BRANCH

[THEONE]

my brother joined right out of high school at 18 and is still in the airforce and he is 40yrs old now. he has had a great life in the air force and is 100% happy with the decision.

[§treet_§peed]

i dunno. im into learning about weapons, tactical fighting, and things along that nature. but i also have a true love for technology. the thing about taking a shower once a week doesn't bother me lol. i mean i like to shower every morning when i get up but hey you can't always get what you want can you. i have lost my license twice but i have them now. like i said i only have one ticket on my record for the last three years and that should be falling off here soon. I'm kinda into the idea of learning about special ops and shit like that tho.

[tony]

Air Force here as well, 2T2.. Air Transportation currently in Charleston, SC. As said before there is a waiver for everything, matter of fact one of my coworkers was forced into the Air Force or go to jail. If one recruiter turns you down go to another. I highly recommend the military but there is a lot of BS to deal with.

[§treet_§peed]

pretty much along the special ops sorta thing. you know covert type stuff.

[Truegiant]

It is alot harder to actually get into an 18 series MOS in the ARMY. If you do not pass basic osut, airborne, sopc, sfas, or the q course they can cut you at any time. Once you sign the contract you will be in a school/learning environment for approx. 20-28 months depending on which sf mos you get. Could even be longer if they dont have school dates available. I was in airborne hold for 3 months waiting on a school date and almost as long waiting on as RIP date.

When I get done drinking and get some time (i.e. - 30 mins or so) i will type up a full post or pm me and i will be more than happy to point you in the right direction.

"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.

Still want to quit?"

NousDefionsDoc
www.professionalsoldiers.com

[§treet_§peed]

another thing im wondering about is what kinda of education i could get that could be used once i get out, if i decide to get out after 4-8 years. like what could be used in the world, not just in the service. thats my only worry that ill be taught something that will have no use in the civil world.

[§treet_§peed]

i mean i wanna learn all i can about weapons, tactics, hand to hand combat, information and technology. but still be able to use somme thing to have a career with outside of the military.

[tony]

Combat Communications, theres a guard unit in Warner Robins that does that

[§treet_§peed]

but at the same time i don't wanna be at a desk while i serve lol. its pretty much a double edge sword.

[§treet_§peed]

like he said it would be a slap on the wrist if they even talked to me about a military career because i have a unresolved ticket. i was like wtf? how so? but he said he couldn't say no more. but he did say he was new so i should of known formt he start it was gonna be all down hill from there.

[§treet_§peed]

lol this army guy at the bar tonight told me don't lose your drive and interest in it. hang with it

[§treet_§peed]

anyone else wanna chime in?

[tony]

I dont think anyone else is going to tell you more than what has been said, the responses will be the same over and over.

[WANTED]

I'll give a few closing responses based on the information you've posted so far.

My background. I enlisted in 2001 (before 9/11) as a private, 31U (signal support systems specialist) in the army. Did that for four years till I was a Sargent and then decided to get my Commission. I am now a 2LT in the Infantry, but will be going back to the Signal Corp once I'm a CAPT.

Driving record can be a show stopper, especially if you have unresolved tickets and sentencing. It a flag for getting a security clearance, which by the sounds of things is going to be a prerequisite for the kind of job you want. Bottom line, in order to get the necessary security clearance and be employable, you need to resolve your tickets.
Believe it or not, the desirable jobs in the military require a security clearance, so yeas this is important.

When applying for a security clearance, they look at EVERYTHING, including traffic. What they are ultimately looking for is to make sure you are not a felon, you don't associate with felons, you don't partake in high risk behavior, and you have your personal affairs in order to include your finances and driving record. Another big show stopper is TOO MUCH DEBT. Too much of a liability.

Special ops is not easy to get into, especially since there is a long line in front of you. Plus, there is a average 50% FAILURE rate once you get there. It is extremely demanding and is competitive to get into. Many people have to fight just to get a chance to go through the training.

One week without a shower??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A shower will be an afterthought compared to the food and sleep you won't be getting. :lmfao: You'd probably have an easier time getting into Ranger School compared to the Special Forces Que Course, not that it isn't possible. Plus, as a Ranger, you'd be doing the things you seem to be wanting to do. Not for the meager, and not for the weak. It is 60 days of absolute hell, and it is this way on purpose. Believe it or not, it is worse than combat.

To recap, if you really want to get in, fix what they're telling you to fix. Resolve your tickets. If that means you have to wait a while because your license is suspended or what not, then go back once you've finished that out. Get all of your other affairs in order. I'm not saying you have other issues, as I don't know. If you do, then get them fixed. If you have something in your background you haven't revealed, like a felony or a DUI, your chances of getting in are almost non-existent and there's nothing that can be done. Pretty much, the days of being waivered in with that on your record, regardless of the circumstances, are done. Past all of this, there's not much more that can be added.

[BanginJimmy]

If you want in for the fun of it. Look into an infantry or spec ops type of job. If you want in for career training, look into aviation.

In the Army you can get a bit of both by going into aviation and being placed with a spec ops unit. The A/F you can do it by being pararescue.

Or you can go the smart route and go to the Marine Corps. You can enlist in aviation and go through all of the schools. When you get to your unit you can put in a request to try out for either Recon or SEALs. If you have the PT scores and the rifle scores you will get a chance to try out. Get through the tryout and pass through the background checks and interviews you will go to school.

[§treet_§peed]

i would like to do it for the experiences, training, fun, more than likely to make it a career. I don't have and felonies. just a few traffic tickets. I have no friends that are felons, i don't do drugs, just drink occasionally. i have my license and only have like 3 points that will be coming off very soon.

[IMWEZL]

Yeah like it was said before Enlistments are getting tougher. We are also booting out more people. About every ten years or so we go through a purge in the Army.

I've been in for 13 years (active/reserve mix) currently on active duty and will probably make Major early next year.

There's something in those tickets that is throwing up the red flag. I think it takes seven years for a criminal (non-felony) act to be taken out of your record. Even then sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to get it cleared.

One last FYI...a lot of SF operators already have their Bachelors. Out of the estimated 20 or so Soldiers I have endorsed to attend selection only one has made it.

Don't give up. Get a print out of your DMV record and make sure it lines up with what happened in court. People sometimes make fat finger mistakes...who know they probably have you listed as a sex offender? (that's extreme but possible)

[§treet_§peed]

i would shit myself if i was listed as a sex offender or something off the wall like that. lol but hell you never know. nah just a few traffic tickets.

[IMWEZL]

LOL! Yeah one of my Soldiers has a twin and they both have the same name spelled differently (jason vs jayson...IDKWTF his parents were thinking).

Anyways, one brother went AWOL (not the one in my unit) which resulted in my Soldier getting arrested one night for desertion. Had a good laugh when we picked him up. :lmfao:

[§treet_§peed]

thats gotta be a shitty feeling. your trying to explain yourself and they are all like fuck you blah blah blah... im going tomorrow to go talk to the recruiters again. I also talked to two guys last night that are cops. one for gainesville and the other for hall county. One retired from the marines the other from the air force. they both told me to get whatever position i was promised in writing or i would get fucked.

[Truegiant]

Yeah like it was said before Enlistments are getting tougher. We are also booting out more people. About every ten years or so we go through a purge in the Army.

I've been in for 13 years (active/reserve mix) currently on active duty and will probably make Major early next year.

There's something in those tickets that is throwing up the red flag. I think it takes seven years for a criminal (non-felony) act to be taken out of your record. Even then sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to get it cleared.

One last FYI...a lot of SF operators already have their Bachelors. Out of the estimated 20 or so Soldiers I have endorsed to attend selection only one has made it.

Don't give up. Get a print out of your DMV record and make sure it lines up with what happened in court. People sometimes make fat finger mistakes...who know they probably have you listed as a sex offender? (that's extreme but possible)

Some good words spoken here. Someone else posted there being about a 50% wash out / failure rate in selections. From start to finish its more like 85=90%. There are alot of people who get into the pipeline and decide its not for them. The SF lifestyle is alot more different than you would expect.

Let us know what happens when you go back to the recruiter's office.

[§treet_§peed]

im gonna try and go talk to the air force recruiter if he's in the office tomorrow.

[bluuuurr]

good luck to ya man and I hope you make the right decision. I'm in the Air Force delayed entry program, and I ship on December 15th as a Cryptologic Linguist. It takes time to get in, I first talked to a recruiter the first of March, had to sit on my ass all Summer waiting for a vision waiver.. and finally got my ship date about two weeks ago. It's worth it and you most definitely will get in if your willing to put forth the effort.

[§treet_§peed]

If I go, i already made up my mind. I want to go ahead and just stay active for four years. I figure fuck it. Stay where ever.

[WANTED]

Some good words spoken here. Someone else posted there being about a 50% wash out / failure rate in selections. From start to finish its more like 85=90%. There are alot of people who get into the pipeline and decide its not for them. The SF lifestyle is alot more different than you would expect.

Let us know what happens when you go back to the recruiter's office.

You're referring to my post. I didn't say from start to finish, just from start.

[Master Shake]

This is what I was told about three days ago when I went to the local armed forces recruiters offices for the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Navy. So that means, IF there was ever a draft, I can't be enlisted because of my driving record. Technically speaking....that is false for the army. i have a driving record that is longer than my high school and college transcripts and i still got in. as of right now, i have 4 weeks and 5 days till i leave for basic (October 13th).

when i started to talk to my recruiter i was on probation for a traffic ticket. paid my fines off, and started going thru all the paper work. worse part is MEPS. which if you get down to it, you will understand what i'm talking about. you will have to write down EVERY SINGLE TICKET or whatever you've gotten in front of the Liasons. not that bad, just time consuming. some of the tickets i've gotten have ranged from just simple seatbelt bullshit all the way to wreckless driving and a speeding 90/40 ticket. all my shit went thru and i'm good to go.

[Master Shake]

If I go, i already made up my mind. I want to go ahead and just stay active for four years. I figure fuck it. Stay where ever.
smart choice. i did the same thing. if i'm gonna enlist i'm gonna do it right and go active duty for my term in. depending on the first 4 years, depends if i'm gonna stay in or pull out.


heh heh, pull out.

[chaseamundo]

what is yalls opinion on marines?

[firby911]

I have looked into this a little bit but you might want to check out being a cct or combat controller if your in good enough shape. I would imagine there would be quite a few civilian careers once your done to choose from.

[95alty]

LOL im in the marines right now.... all i can say

[95alty]

Honestly though... if you want spec ops you need to join the corps. Dude you go grunt and you will get all the hand to hand (MCMAP) and special ops you want kicking in doors and humpin up those afghan hills lol. Shits not fun dude its a life of no showers, beds, eating bag nastys(MREs), and random bs... As a grunt you WAIT... WAIT.... WAIT... clean your weapon.... train.... and WAIT. If thats the life you want, hey be my guest. Get something you can do once you get out. At most i can be a cop.... fk the popos lol. Anymore questions let me know

[chaseamundo]

what job do you do?
and arent they the best?

[95alty]

what job do you do?
and arent they the best?

03xx -infantry mos

and yes we are the best. but there are other fields in other branches of service where other people may feel that they would like. We are a combat oriented branch. we have combat services and combat support. so its pretty much relative to who is giving you an opinion:goodjob:

[bdydrpdmazda]

I joined the Army in 2003 and got out in 2007. 2009 rolls around and I got a letter in the mail calling me back up to come back to war. Im not really sure why i got out in the first place but i will probably be staying in this time around. There is alot of bullshit that goes along with being in the military but there are also alot of great things that come with it. Due to the job market right now it is very hard to get in. And due to budget cuts the military is cutting down on basic training costs and calling up soldiers that have already been trained and gotten out.

[bdydrpdmazda]

I am the infantry BTW and i feel its the only way to roll if your a man and you want to be a soldier.

[quickdodge®]

I wish I were still in. I missed out on what I really wanted to do. Later, QD.

[jhadleyh]

^^what branch were you in QD? I had no clue you were in the military

[quickdodge®]

^^what branch were you in QD? I had no clue you were in the military

I didn't get to make it past boot camp. I'm a huge fan of the ocean. Love it. So I went and enlisted in the Coast Guard because I wanted to be on the water and all. I aced the tests and all and got through MEPS and was sent flying to Cape May, NJ for basic. Made it through 2 weeks before I was red tagged and sent home. I failed a hearing test after I had gotten up there and they sent me home with a $400 check. I was distraught over that shit, man. I really wanted to get in and see the sites and do the shit, dude. Later, QD.

[Master Shake]

03xx -infantry mos

and yes we are the best. but there are other fields in other branches of service where other people may feel that they would like. We are a combat oriented branch. we have combat services and combat support. so its pretty much relative to who is giving you an opinion:goodjob:
pretty much what he said.

in cases of invading and whatnot, the marines are sent in first since they're pretty much trained to kill. then the army comes in right after em to hold the place down.

[Master Shake]

I didn't get to make it past boot camp. I'm a huge fan of the ocean. Love it. So I went and enlisted in the Coast Guard because I wanted to be on the water and all. I aced the tests and all and got through MEPS and was sent flying to Cape May, NJ for basic. Made it through 2 weeks before I was red tagged and sent home. I failed a hearing test after I had gotten up there and they sent me home with a $400 check. I was distraught over that shit, man. I really wanted to get in and see the sites and do the shit, dude. Later, QD.
that sucks! they didn't give you the hearing test and everything at MEPS? i was there back in may and i went thru the full medical exam/tests. hearing was one of the tests we had to do.


i know now, for the CG, you can only be so big to be enlisted for them. they took measurements of my wrists and whatnot to make sure i cleared. i was DQ'd due to incomplete medical background from when i was a kid put on ritalin. i didn't have the paperwork from it. got it all straightened out and now i'm about to leave for the army.

[quickdodge®]

they didn't give you the hearing test and everything at MEPS?

They did. I passed at that time. See a year earlier I had signed up to join the Navy and went to MEPS and failed the hearing test in the beginning. My ear doctor told me if I wanted to try again to pop my ears right before the test so that I would be able to hear better for a few minutes. So when i went in to MEPS for CG, right before I went in the hearing test, I popped my ears. I passed.


When I got to NJ, they gave us another physical. Since I was already there and thought I was in, I didn't think about doing the ear pop thing. Hence my red tag. Later, QD.

[Master Shake]

They did. I passed at that time. See a year earlier I had signed up to join the Navy and went to MEPS and failed the hearing test in the beginning. My ear doctor told me if I wanted to try again to pop my ears right before the test so that I would be able to hear better for a few minutes. So when i went in to MEPS for CG, right before I went in the hearing test, I popped my ears. I passed.


When I got to NJ, they gave us another physical. Since I was already there and thought I was in, I didn't think about doing the ear pop thing. Hence my red tag. Later, QD.
ahh damn that sucks! hard. i didn't know they gave the tests over again at basic.

[chaseamundo]

i was enlisted in marines ,went through meps, and found out my recuiter lied to me so i said deuces. and got out.
but thinking about getting in alot!
as far as the lifestyle....how is the marines? and the way your treated by other branches, family, society?Also whats life like on base? is it like normal life?like they give you a place to live and you got a job you have to go to etc?

[YokotaS13]

i <3 the air farce
like seriously
best thing i ever did. love every day of my job

[YokotaS13]

03xx -infantry mos

and yes we are the best. but there are other fields in other branches of service where other people may feel that they would like. We are a combat oriented branch. we have combat services and combat support. so its pretty much relative to who is giving you an opinion:goodjob:

say that when the 4 fans of freedom are buzzing over your head dropping your pallet of supplies. you guys arent shit without the air force, we arent shit without pincushions like you.

everyone needs everyone. the military cant do its job without each other.

[b16EG-HaTcH]

that sucks! they didn't give you the hearing test and everything at MEPS? i was there back in may and i went thru the full medical exam/tests. hearing was one of the tests we had to do.


i know now, for the CG, you can only be so big to be enlisted for them. they took measurements of my wrists and whatnot to make sure i cleared. i was DQ'd due to incomplete medical background from when i was a kid put on ritalin. i didn't have the paperwork from it. got it all straightened out and now i'm about to leave for the army.

when do you leave and what is your MOS?? i leave in 7 days for basic/OSUT

[95alty]

say that when the 4 fans of freedom are buzzing over your head dropping your pallet of supplies. you guys arent shit without the air force, we arent shit without pincushions like you.

everyone needs everyone. the military cant do its job without each other.

Those 4 fans of freedom can drop some of those women yall have on the sky side lol. And we are bullet sponges... not pincushions.

Life as a marine on base is pretty chill. just have to watch out for who is around you. Ever heard of 6 degress of seperation, well try 2 on base. Depending on your rank is the respect you get lol. And its like living in a dorm at college dude. We are normal ass people lol im not some robot off those commercials.

[chaseamundo]

whats the 6 degrees?

and its cool then?

[95alty]

Means ur 6 people away from knowing a random person. I like it.just love the commradery

[Aeroscout977]

I was in the Army did 2 tours to Iraq and got out. I recommend the coast guard or air force. Same benefits with actual time to get some school in during the time you serve. Just know when recruiters say the following it really means...

"travel to exotic places and see the world"=Go to Afganistan and Iraq and see all the nice countries you fly over between here and there.

"Go to school while you serve"=Go to military schools which usually include sleeping in the woods for weeks or months at a time. Sometimes you can get some college in depending on your MOS and how much downtime you actually have while not deployed. Good luck between deployments getting any family time in. From my 05-06 deployment to 09-10 I did a total of 6 months at either an NTC/JRTC/Field type training with 4 trips total to NTC and JRTC. Multiple gunneries/trips to the field at my local base lasting 2 weeks to a month a piece.

Like I said. Go Coast Guard or Air Force.

/rant

[Reaper]

Can't really say who's better and who isn't, I just enlisted in August for Pararescue in the USAF. I leave in March. And btw, theres a waiver for everything. I had 14 tix on my record and got around it.

I chose the USAF because all the SOF's that I spoke to said it was the best lifestyle and no matter what your still in the shit with the other hard chargers, and I wanted to save lives. But thats just me.