Obama's First Six Months' Accomplishments

[MachNU]

Obama's First Six Months' Accomplishments

1. Offended the Queen of England.
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras.
7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.
8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
9. Expanded the bailouts.
10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
11. Doubled our national debt.
12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take
the heat.
15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."
17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America 's world leadership.
18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.
19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.
20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States.
21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
23. Sent his National Defense Adviser to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel .
25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. Bloomberg: Daschle says,"Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them," while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die."

If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that the President, Senators and Congressmen have their own special gold plated health care plan which is guaranteed the remainder of their lives and they are not subject to this new law if they pass it.

Just sayin...

[JITB]

its the end of the world

[Justin51982]

Some of those I forgot about. Wow, at least he's been busy in his efforts.

I really can't stand him.

[1SICKLEX]

Biased much? lol

[MachNU]

Biased much? lol

no, just kinda pointless to make a thread with a list about his positive things, because I could not get past 1.

[Justin51982]

no, just kinda pointless to make a thread with a list about his positive things, because I could not get past 1.

I wonder if we have the same 1. The one I have is that he is a good father. That doesn't really fit with his "job" but it is something he deserves credit for.

I think that is one of the main differences between Republicans and Democrats.

We give credit when credit it due, regardless of party, where as with Democrats, everything we do is wrong.

[TSiFTW]

no, just kinda pointless to make a thread with a list about his positive things, because I could not get past 1.

You found 1? LOL Reps

[90_ACCORD]

if thats only after 6 months we are truly screwed.

[MachNU]

You found 1? LOL Reps

No No No you mis-understood, I could not get past 1...meaning I needed 1 to get to 2!

[1SICKLEX]

I have to say I'm happy that Obama has people usually not involved in politics, more involved. Thats a good thing.

However did you do hte same thing for Bush and name his faults? Just curious.

Both parties are the problem.

[81911SC]

However did you do hte same thing for Bush and name his faults? Just curious. Everyone did, everyone.

[JITB]

I have to say I'm happy that Obama has people usually not involved in politics, more involved. Thats a good thing.

However did you do hte same thing for Bush and name his faults? Just curious.

Both parties are the problem.


the thing with bush, on IA apparently nothing was his fault...lol, and nothing was his responsibilty..

[Barefoot]

the thing with bush, on IA apparently nothing was his fault...lol, and nothing was his responsibilty..im still amazed at that.

[preferredduck]

I wonder if we have the same 1. The one I have is that he is a good father. That doesn't really fit with his "job" but it is something he deserves credit for.

I think that is one of the main differences between Republicans and Democrats.

We give credit when credit it due, regardless of party, where as with Democrats, everything we do is wrong.

i found a 2nd one, he found and adopted a dog and had it fixed, ohh and he took his grandma off the streets of chicago to raise the kids. we might just get 2 1/2 things here.

[preferredduck]

I have to say I'm happy that Obama has people usually not involved in politics, more involved. Thats a good thing.

However did you do hte same thing for Bush and name his faults? Just curious.

Both parties are the problem.

if we made a list of both it would take 30 pages just for the 1 post.

[JITB]

im still amazed at that.

IA is an amazing place

[blackboi50]

IA is an amazing place

:stupid:......1

[MachNU]

LOL I love all you people who bring up bush. Heres a challenge for you. Make a list of ONLY and i mean ONLY the first 6 months of bush's time and see if you beat obama's list. I am willing to bet you can beat this list with actual events that are considered faults, in his first 4 years!

[AnthonyF]

~printed and is in my shop on the wall~

My family loves shit like this. He have all sorts of articles and cartoons about him.

-Ant.

[Total_Blender]

Most of that shit is B/S. For example, he did NOT offend the queen. Also, why is it somehow NOT OK for him to offend the queen, but the neocons get their panties in a wad when he makes nice with Arabs?

I could make a list of Bush's 1st 6 months, but really... lists are stupid and glib and ignore the contexts of the issues. You guys are going to hate Obama no matter what he does. If he has pancakes for breakfast you'll say he has an agenda against biscuits and gravy. :lmfao:

I think his biggest problem is listening to the teabaggers/birthers/deathers and dignifying their bullshit with his response.

[MachNU]

Most of that shit is B/S. For example, he did NOT offend the queen. Also, why is it somehow NOT OK for him to offend the queen, but the neocons get their panties in a wad when he makes nice with Arabs?

I could make a list of Bush's 1st 6 months, but really... lists are stupid and glib and ignore the contexts of the issues. You guys are going to hate Obama no matter what he does. If he has pancakes for breakfast you'll say he has an agenda against biscuits and gravy. :lmfao:

I think his biggest problem is listening to the teabaggers/birthers/deathers and dignifying their bullshit with his response.

Okay so going by your way, most of this stuff is BS. What is BS to you? Also lets take out all the stuff where he is making the US seem like pussies! Stil think he is a great president to have accomplished all this in 6 months?

7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.
8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
9. Expanded the bailouts.
11. Doubled our national debt. + Still growing!
12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take
the heat.
15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.
20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States.
21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. Bloomberg: Daschle says,"Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them," while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die."

But now lets add a few more...

28.While the President was in Europe recently Michelle Obama and the kids flew over on a separate jet to go shopping.(On our tax dollars)
29.He's now trying to push a bill through to control the internet.(Apparently another way to stop any truth getting out about him or his administration.)
30.Had a "date night" with Michelle, they flew to NY for dinner at a huge expense for the American Taxpayer.
31.Have hosted huge parties at the White House for his supporters.(Again on American Taxpayer dollars.)
32.Is giving college students credits so they can go out and inform people on the great Messiah.
33.Trying to pass a bill to tax us on our weapons.

:goodjob:

[Total_Blender]

The whole idea of "making the US seem like pussies" is just b/s. You weren't there when he bowed and neither was I. The other guy might have bowed too. I don't know or care really. As far as "apologizing" goes... the right's other talking point here... I don't think any of you really got the message of the entire speech... while owning up to past mistakes he also issued some pretty stern warnings that we will protect ourselves from threats.

Torture... fuck yes... prosecute. Cheney and the others behind it are war criminals as far as I'm concerned.

The other shit on the list I don't care about. Its not like the president can just hop on Southwest Airlines when he has somewhere to go. W flew Air Force 1 all over the place on the taxpayer dime when he was campaigning for re-election.

Health Care... I don't give a shit if ritchie-rich has an extra 3-5% off the top to pay for healthcare for those not fortunate enough to make $250k.

Deficit all comes down to Keynesian economics. Which is what got us out of the Great depression. You can't say "no it was WWII" because that was deficit spending from the gov't too.

[Justin51982]

You know, going back to the comment that "ON IA NOTHING IS BUSH'S FAULT", that is BS, you can go through a lot of these threads, especially the older ones, where bleeding heart liberals do nothing BUT blame Bush. God forbid we say anything negative, yet true, about the almighty OBAMA, and let's forget that the housing crisis was Clinton's doing, but it's cool, we can blame Bush, or Reagan or whoever you want. It's never a liberals fault it seems. At least MOST Republicans can admit when they are wrong, and I can list SEVERAL examples of this.

Let's ALSO forget that Bush was in office for only 9 months when the 9/11 attacks happened. Another event that was caused by the poor leadership under Bill Clinton.

Hell, since the Oliver North trials we knew how scarry Osama Bin Laden was, and there was a chance during the Clinton administration for Bin Laden to be taken out, and when Clinton was called and asked to give the order to take him out, his response was, "Don't disturb my golf game".

All this being said, I will totally agree that Obama did "inheirit" a bad economy and a war and and and. However, as usual, since liberals don't take responsibilty for their own actions, we can blame that on Bush too as opposed to Clinton who is responsible for these actions.

Ronald Reagan said it best when he said, "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, its just that they know so much that isn't so."

[blackboi50]

LOL I love all you people who bring up bush. Heres a challenge for you. Make a list of ONLY and i mean ONLY the first 6 months of bush's time and see if you beat obama's list. I am willing to bet you can beat this list with actual events that are considered faults, in his first 4 years!

i have no need to nit pick at a president for everything they do.....bottomline he is my president and more than half the stuff on that list doesnt effect me in anyway!!.....1

[blackboi50]

Okay so going by your way, most of this stuff is BS. What is BS to you? Also lets take out all the stuff where he is making the US seem like pussies! Stil think he is a great president to have accomplished all this in 6 months?

7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.
8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
9. Expanded the bailouts.
11. Doubled our national debt. + Still growing!
12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take
the heat.
15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.
20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States.
21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. Bloomberg: Daschle says,"Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them," while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die."

But now lets add a few more...

28.While the President was in Europe recently Michelle Obama and the kids flew over on a separate jet to go shopping.(On our tax dollars)
29.He's now trying to push a bill through to control the internet.(Apparently another way to stop any truth getting out about him or his administration.)
30.Had a "date night" with Michelle, they flew to NY for dinner at a huge expense for the American Taxpayer.
31.Have hosted huge parties at the White House for his supporters.(Again on American Taxpayer dollars.)
32.Is giving college students credits so they can go out and inform people on the great Messiah.
33.Trying to pass a bill to tax us on our weapons.

:goodjob:

wow someone likes following obama??......not tryna be a dick mike but maybe u should spend more time concentrating on other more important things.....((like yourself)).....u are like the paparazzi to obama man!!! :2cents:....1

[MachNU]

wow someone likes following obama??......not tryna be a dick mike but maybe u should spend more time concentrating on other more important things.....((like yourself)).....u are like the paparazzi to obama man!!! :2cents:....1

lol D! :lmao: none of that is paparazzi just watching the news! dont hate! :lmao: :goodjob:

[blackboi50]

lol D! :lmao: none of that is paparazzi just watching the news! dont hate! :lmao: :goodjob:

ahahhahaha i gotcha dude!!!....juss wonderin man!!!......go make money and fuck all this TMZ obama entertainment tonite shit!!!....1

[AirMax95]

When this country learns to work together, we will never make the majority happy nor correct the issues at hand.

Democrat v. Republican, with a side of Libertarian, Constitution, and Green parties, make for a 1st grade finger point whinners social. Politics suck.....

[81911SC]

The idiots on here amaze me.

[Justin51982]

Wow, politics and the things our leaders do, especially the president, affect EVERYONE of us. How the hell are you gonna say it doesn't affect you

[1SICKLEX]

Have a nice day!

[Justin51982]

Have a nice day!

You too!

[Total_Blender]

Democrat v. Republican, with a side of Libertarian, Constitution, and Green parties, make for a 1st grade finger point whinners social. Politics suck.....

I think the only forum that swings more conservative than this one is Georgia Outdoor News... where all the gun nuts are. :lmfao:

Lets talk about hypocrisy... Bush was "only president for 9 months" when 9/11 happened so of course none of that is his fault (even though there were Al Qaeda attacks on several embassies and the USS Cole in the months prior to 9/11). Obama has only been president for 6 months and everything is his fault now. Is there some kind of memo I missed somewhere?

[JITB]

LOL I love all you people who bring up bush. Heres a challenge for you. Make a list of ONLY and i mean ONLY the first 6 months of bush's time and see if you beat obama's list. I am willing to bet you can beat this list with actual events that are considered faults, in his first 4 years!


lol that wouldnt be a challenge...... i could do it for a month and double that list... but why?

[AirMax95]

The finger pointing on any account is a waste. All it does is constantly push fence riders left or right (as well as people who vote off populairty) and is worse than the nerd v. Mr. Popular race for student body president in highschool.

At best, we are trying to come to a 50/50 agreement somewhere, and the various parites will never allow for that. Hell, the people within the party can't get on the same page. Majority are in it for personal gain, and not the country as a whole.

[MachNU]

lol that wouldnt be a challenge...... i could do it for a month and double that list... but why?

Because you couldnt!

[MachNU]

I think the only forum that swings more conservative than this one is Georgia Outdoor News... where all the gun nuts are. :lmfao:

Lets talk about hypocrisy... Bush was "only president for 9 months" when 9/11 happened so of course none of that is his fault (even though there were Al Qaeda attacks on several embassies and the USS Cole in the months prior to 9/11). Obama has only been president for 6 months and everything is his fault now. Is there some kind of memo I missed somewhere?

Where do you see Obama getting blamed for anything bush did? Hell Bush's was was in Iraq, Obama is pushing the war in Afganastan(sp)!

[JITB]

Because you couldnt!

:screwy:

[MachNU]

:screwy:

This coming from a person who said he could find #27 faults in Bush's time in the first month! I cant think of anything on the lvl as Obamacare, and doubling our national debt. :lmfao:

[JITB]

This coming from a person who said he could find #27 faults in Bush's time in the first month! I cant think of anything on the lvl as Obamacare, and doubling our national debt. :lmfao:

im not gonna waste my time.. just like noone else is in this trap door obama thread.

[1SICKLEX]

Where do you see Obama getting blamed for anything bush did? Hell Bush's was was in Iraq, Obama is pushing the war in Afganastan(sp)!
You don't follow history do you? You are one of these new age historians, that thinks history started and things got bad when Obama was elected.

Let me inform you of something twinkletoes, blame BUSH SR for Afghanistan. The country actually was headed towards democracy WITHOUT our help, including womens rights and moving more Western in idiologies. When the Soviets tried to muscle in, well we supported...

Osama...

Thats right, we gave millions and arms to Osama as a "freedom fighter". Millions of Afghan citizens died and we can't fathom that. We can't fathom Mexico fighting Canada and millions of Americans dying.

OUr great govt backdoored their way to fight war in Afghanastan. If you don't want to read, at least watch "Charlie Wilson's War" on T.V.

Well after "we" beat the Soviets we claimed "victory" packed out shit and left.

We did not help establish ANYTHING. We stopped giving a fuck b/c we beat the USSR, you know that evil country. That country that no longer exists....

So it was RIPE for someone to come in and develop and take control and the TALIBAN did. They only RECENTLY gained power. They hate us b/c we turned our backs when it was time to rebuild then we started calling them terrorists.

Afghanistan IS the problem it NEVER was Iraq. There was NO TALIBAN STRONGHOLD IN IRAQ.

Obama is going after the REAL PROBLEM, not fooling Americans into going into Iraq so that SOB could get re-elected. Every intel has now said Iraq had no WMD, it should not have been done and even Bush apologized.

Facts> your biased opinion

[MachNU]

You don't follow history do you? You are one of these new age historians, that thinks history started and things got bad when Obama was elected.

Let me inform you of something twinkletoes, blame BUSH SR for Afghanistan. The country actually was headed towards democracy WITHOUT our help, including womens rights and moving more Western in idiologies. When the Soviets tried to muscle in, well we supported...

Osama...

Thats right, we gave millions and arms to Osama as a "freedom fighter". Millions of Afghan citizens died and we can't fathom that. We can't fathom Mexico fighting Canada and millions of Americans dying.

OUr great govt backdoored their way to fight war in Afghanastan. If you don't want to read, at least watch "Charlie Wilson's War" on T.V.

Well after "we" beat the Soviets we claimed "victory" packed out shit and left.

We did not help establish ANYTHING. We stopped giving a fuck b/c we beat the USSR, you know that evil country. That country that no longer exists....

So it was RIPE for someone to come in and develop and take control and the TALIBAN did. They only RECENTLY gained power. They hate us b/c we turned our backs when it was time to rebuild then we started calling them terrorists.

Afghanistan IS the problem it NEVER was Iraq. There was NO TALIBAN STRONGHOLD IN IRAQ.

Obama is going after the REAL PROBLEM, not fooling Americans into going into Iraq so that SOB could get re-elected. Every intel has now said Iraq had no WMD, it should not have been done and even Bush apologized.

Facts> your biased opinion

LOL at this! Forget about Sadam? :lmfao:

[MachNU]

im not gonna waste my time.. just like noone else is in this trap door obama thread.

Um because you cant do it? Dont act like Obama is great! Hell like someone already said, theres alot of conseratives/rep. that will admit fault in some of Bush's actions, but come on, your comparing Bush(8 years) against Obama(6 months!) No one can be that stupid to say that Obama is not one of the worst presidents to date! Hell alot of people blaimed Bush for the national debt, over the course of 8 years, but Obama has doubled it in 6 months.

I just find it funny that when Bush was in office and threads on here, when he was getting bashed for policies, decisions, the war, the debt everyone was on his ass. Now the shoes on the other foot. Obama is has already become worse in 6 months than Bush did in 8 years!

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/change-barack-hussein-obama-politics-demotivational-poster-democrat-economy.jpg
Hilarious Pictures
(http://www.demotivateus.com)

Hell least 1SICKLEX is coming back with legitamite points, even if he is not refuting alot of the points I posted!

[JITB]

Um because you cant do it? Dont act like Obama is great! Hell like someone already said, theres alot of conseratives/rep. that will admit fault in some of Bush's actions, but come on, your comparing Bush(8 years) against Obama(6 months!) No one can be that stupid to say that Obama is not one of the worst presidents to date! Hell alot of people blaimed Bush for the national debt, over the course of 8 years, but Obama has doubled it in 6 months.

I just find it funny that when Bush was in office and threads on here, when he was getting bashed for policies, decisions, the war, the debt everyone was on his ass. Now the shoes on the other foot. Obama is has already become worse in 6 months than Bush did in 8 years!

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/change-barack-hussein-obama-politics-demotivational-poster-democrat-economy.jpg
Hilarious Pictures
(http://www.demotivateus.com)

Hell least 1SICKLEX is coming back with legitamite points, even if he is not refuting alot of the points I posted!


ur right

[zspeed24]

I wouldn't say worst yet but sure is gaining on Carter in a hurry!

[MachNU]

I wouldn't say worst yet but sure is gaining on Carter in a hurry!

lol i was hoping no one would catch that part! :lmfao:

[1SICKLEX]

I wouldn't say worst yet but sure is gaining on Carter in a hurry!
You do realize Carter inhereited a disgraced whitehouse cough cough Nixon and then Ford and stagflation and a FED rate of 13%.

4 years couldn't fix it. Hell Reagan couldn't fix it in 4

[BanginJimmy]

You don't follow history do you? You are one of these new age historians, that thinks history started and things got bad when Obama was elected.

Let me inform you of something twinkletoes, blame BUSH SR for Afghanistan. The country actually was headed towards democracy WITHOUT our help, including womens rights and moving more Western in idiologies. When the Soviets tried to muscle in, well we supported...

Osama...

Thats right, we gave millions and arms to Osama as a "freedom fighter". Millions of Afghan citizens died and we can't fathom that. We can't fathom Mexico fighting Canada and millions of Americans dying.

OUr great govt backdoored their way to fight war in Afghanastan. If you don't want to read, at least watch "Charlie Wilson's War" on T.V.

Well after "we" beat the Soviets we claimed "victory" packed out shit and left.

We did not help establish ANYTHING. We stopped giving a fuck b/c we beat the USSR, you know that evil country. That country that no longer exists....

So it was RIPE for someone to come in and develop and take control and the TALIBAN did. They only RECENTLY gained power. They hate us b/c we turned our backs when it was time to rebuild then we started calling them terrorists.

Afghanistan IS the problem it NEVER was Iraq. There was NO TALIBAN STRONGHOLD IN IRAQ.

Obama is going after the REAL PROBLEM, not fooling Americans into going into Iraq so that SOB could get re-elected. Every intel has now said Iraq had no WMD, it should not have been done and even Bush apologized.

Facts> your biased opinion

But we should have left Iraq years ago after Saddam was gone right? Maybe if people didnt have their head so far up their ass they would see that Bush's policies actually worked.

FACT: 1/3 of all deaths in Iraq were NOT combat deaths like CNN would like you to believe. These were people that killed themselves being stupid, or were killed as a result of accidents.

FACT: no attacks on US possessions for almost 8 years. This is more than doubling the longest span since Carter took office.

[BanginJimmy]

Torture... fuck yes... prosecute. Cheney and the others behind it are war criminals as far as I'm concerned.

I am all for prosecuting people for torture. All you have to do is find a case of torture. Not nearly as easy as you might think as nothing that was done at Gitmo is torture.



[QUOTE=Total_Blender]Health Care... I don't give a shit if ritchie-rich has an extra 3-5% off the top to pay for healthcare for those not fortunate enough to make $250k.

Dont need to make 250k to get good healthcare. I make less than 50 before OT and I have some kick ass coverage.

If you want to be lazy and ask for a handout, get it from someone else. I'd let someone like that starve than give them the french fries I am throwing out anyways. Cant afford health insurance? Look in the mirror and only there. Looking back at you is 100% of the cause you cannot afford health insurance.


Deficit all comes down to Keynesian economics. Which is what got us out of the Great depression. You can't say "no it was WWII" because that was deficit spending from the gov't too.

Actually it was WWII. The New Deal actually lengthened the Great Depression according to most economists.

[BanginJimmy]

I think the only forum that swings more conservative than this one is Georgia Outdoor News... where all the gun nuts are. :lmfao:

Lets talk about hypocrisy... Bush was "only president for 9 months" when 9/11 happened so of course none of that is his fault (even though there were Al Qaeda attacks on several embassies and the USS Cole in the months prior to 9/11). Obama has only been president for 6 months and everything is his fault now. Is there some kind of memo I missed somewhere?


Might want to check the time line again.

All 3 of those attacks happened on Clinton's watch and resulted in the response of a couple cruise missles fired at training camps we knew were already empty.

USS COle Oct. 12, 2000
US Embassies in Tanzania, Nairobi, and Dar es Salaam Aug. 7, 1998

[stephen]

lol...i think the OP finally got hold of a decent chain letter...one he can use as his "ace in the hole" during his fight to bring down "THE MAN!" too bad it's STILL loaded with the same misleading, idiotic, rhetoric the "conservative" crowd is known for. it's really a shame...some of these anti obama/liberal shenanigans are painting an ugly picture of what the conservative party stands for...



FACT: no attacks on US possessions for almost 8 years. This is more than doubling the longest span since Carter took office.


come on jimmy, that's not even a fair statement. if you want to say that no one has stolen any more of our planes, crashed them into buildings, killing thousands of people for almost 8 years...then yes, i'll agree. any other such statement is completely false.

[zspeed24]

come on jimmy, that's not even a fair statement. if you want to say that no one has stolen any more of our planes, crashed them into buildings, killing thousands of people for almost 8 years...then yes, i'll agree. any other such statement is completely false.

I suppose that all depends on your interpretation of a terrorist attack is. I personally don't feel that things such as the DC sniper or Virginia tech shootings are "terrorist attacks."

[Justin51982]

lol that wouldnt be a challenge...... i could do it for a month and double that list... but why?

I want to call you out on this, let's see you do it

[Total_Blender]

FACT: no attacks on US possessions for almost 8 years. This is more than doubling the longest span since Carter took office.

Actually our embassies in some countries like Yemen and Qatar get attacked about twice a year. It happens so damn often its not even news anymore. :screwy:

And I think the drop in attacks is because most of these guys are too busy trying to take over Pakistan to give us much trouble anywhere else.

Like I said in other threads... WWII was massive gov't deficit spending, combined with programs of rationing, etc.

Bush certainly knew about the attacks prior to 9/11 and he should have been prepared. Even if terrorism was a problem he inherited from Clinton, Bush himself handled it like a goddamn fool. The biggest platform of his campaign in 2000 was strengthening the military, national security, etc. But when it come time to handle a situation, he went about it all wrong and we are still paying the price.

[zspeed24]

What should he have done?

[MachNU]

lol...i think the OP finally got hold of a decent chain letter...one he can use as his "ace in the hole" during his fight to bring down "THE MAN!" too bad it's STILL loaded with the same misleading, idiotic, rhetoric the "conservative" crowd is known for. it's really a shame...some of these anti obama/liberal shenanigans are painting an ugly picture of what the conservative party stands for...

Again I hear more "these facts are false", but yet ONE of them has yet to be refuted! :goodjob:

[Total_Blender]

Again I hear more "these facts are false", but yet ONE of them has yet to be refuted! :goodjob:

Most of them are subjective B/S thats all in the way you perceive them. They are just opinions and not actually facts. And opinions are like assholes... etc

As far as the rest of the things like "doubling the nat'l debt" its the reason behind them that you are overlooking. Hell... most of the stimulus was tax cuts. Aren't you guys all for tax cuts?

Another large portion was loans to the banking and auto industries, which will be paid back with interest.

And as far as Cash For Clunkers goes... the Gov't collects taxes off of every vehicle sold, from the manufacturers, from the dealers, finance companies, etc etc... so its its not as big of a loss to taxpayers as you might think.

[bu villain]

^ agreed. The "debt" from the stimulus is not the same thing as our debt to China. Who do you think all that money is going to? American corporations and people! Are you trying to tell me that America is in a huge debt to itself now so were screwed? It's an investment in the America economy unless you think companies can't spend that money better than the government.

Why would our leader bowing (a sign of respect, not subservience) to another country's leader be a bad thing? It's global politics not a playground. You don't show people how tough you are by sticking your tongue out at the bad kid.

Honestly I feel there are a lot of legitimate concerns people have about Obama but they are really getting overshadowed by other people's pettiness and bias. The original list is so obviously biased its hard to imagine it will have any affect or than preaching to the choir.

[Justin51982]

People do over shadow somethings. I do however disagree that when you "bow" to another leader its a sign of respect, it's not, it's a sign of submission, people bow to a king or queen to show servitude. If Obama is going to bow to the king of saudi arabia, then he should bow to the queen of England also, and not rub her back.

America is supposed to be the most powerful country on this planet, and we didn't get there by bowing to royalty.

[BanginJimmy]

^ agreed. The "debt" from the stimulus is not the same thing as our debt to China.

Who do you think we got the money for the "stimulous" from? Why did Clinton head there begging for money immediately before the bill was passed?



Who do you think all that money is going to? American corporations and people!

Actually a portion is going to democrat PAC's such as ACORN. Another large part is going to schools and colleges in the way of grants for studies. More is going to cities and states to cover budget shortfalls. Very little actually has any stimulative effect.

You should also know that most of the money is backloaded for 2010 and 2011 with the last being spent in 2012. How is that going to stimulate anything?


Are you trying to tell me that America is in a huge debt to itself now so were screwed?

We are screwed because of the debt we owe to China. That debt will surpass our GDP by the end of Obama's reign unless there are massive budgetary changes. In FY 08 the govt blew over 410B just to pay interest on the national debt. I wonder what that number was when you add in the principle.

http://www.federalbudget.com/



It's an investment in the America economy unless you think companies can't spend that money better than the government.

This is supposed to be sarcastic right? I mean, no one could be dumb enough to think this was a serious statement.

[Justin51982]

Who do you think we got the money for the "stimulous" from? Why did Clinton head there begging for money immediately before the bill was passed?




Actually a portion is going to democrat PAC's such as ACORN. Another large part is going to schools and colleges in the way of grants for studies. More is going to cities and states to cover budget shortfalls. Very little actually has any stimulative effect.

You should also know that most of the money is backloaded for 2010 and 2011 with the last being spent in 2012. How is that going to stimulate anything?



We are screwed because of the debt we owe to China. That debt will surpass our GDP by the end of Obama's reign unless there are massive budgetary changes. In FY 08 the govt blew over 410B just to pay interest on the national debt. I wonder what that number was when you add in the principle.

http://www.federalbudget.com/




This is supposed to be sarcastic right? I mean, no one could be dumb enough to think this was a serious statement.



As I said before "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Nice to see someone else with the foresight and intelligence to properly respond to some of this liberal propaganda

[Total_Blender]

People do over shadow somethings. I do however disagree that when you "bow" to another leader its a sign of respect, it's not, it's a sign of submission, people bow to a king or queen to show servitude. .

You are wrong. Fighters bow before the fight begins in martial arts competitions... how is either competitor showing "submission" to the other in that scenario.

It was also customary at one time for gentlemen in the western world to bow to one another as a greeting.

I don't know what the context was for Obama "bowing to the king". Because Bush did it too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7yhR20ny7k&feature=related

and Bush has walked holding hands with the king, hugged him and rubbed his back, even kissed the guy on the cheek before. Apparently the king is a big fan of PDA. :lmfao:

[Justin51982]

You are wrong. Fighters bow before the fight begins in martial arts competitions... how is either competitor showing "submission" to the other in that scenario.

It was also customary at one time for gentlemen in the western world to bow to one another as a greeting.

I don't know what the context was for Obama "bowing to the king". Because Bush did it too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7yhR20ny7k&feature=related

and Bush has walked holding hands with the king, hugged him and rubbed his back, even kissed the guy on the cheek before. Apparently the king is a big fan of PDA. :lmfao:

You can pick apart and choose parts that you want to disagree with, but you left out the fact that he did not treat the Queen of England, one of our biggest allies with that same "respect".

Besides, as YOU said, fighters bow to EACH OTHER and gentlemen used to bow to EACH OTHER as a greeting. Do you see the key difference? Bowing to EACH OTHER show's equal signs of respect, bowing down to someone, and them NOT bowing back to you is a sign of submission.

If your messiah Obama bows to the Saudi King and not the Queen of England, I would say his actions are not only submissive, but hypocritical.

Based on what YOU are saying, because he bowed to the Saudi king, he is showing respect, which in turn must mean that him NOT bowing the Elizabeth is a sign of DISRESPECT.

Major faux pas on his part.

[Total_Blender]

Based on what YOU are saying, because he bowed to the Saudi king, he is showing respect, which in turn must mean that him NOT bowing the Elizabeth is a sign of DISRESPECT.

Major faux pas on his part.

I never said he bowed to the king. When I used the word "bowed" I used quotation marks because I was quoting the crazy right wingers.

How exactly did he disrespect the Queen? Since she issued a statement specifically saying that the Obamas did NOT disrespect her, apparently you know something about her that she herself does not... so lets hear it. :screwy:

[Justin51982]

I never said he bowed to the king. When I used the word "bowed" I used quotation marks because I was quoting the crazy right wingers.

How exactly did he disrespect the Queen? Since she issued a statement specifically saying that the Obamas did NOT disrespect her, apparently you know something about her that she herself does not... so lets hear it. :screwy:

We shall continue this discussion when I get back, I have to go out to Winder to meet with a client.

Someone has to pay for all the welfare and government programs.

[Total_Blender]

We shall continue this discussion when I get back, I have to go out to Winder to meet with a client.

Someone has to pay for all the welfare and government programs.

Yeah, all those god awful social programs you use every day like public schools, fire departments, police offices, the post office, interstate highways etc etc. :D

[AirMax95]

LMAO at you guys! This is exactly what the politicians do everyday; bicker and banter to no end.

[AirMax95]

Why don't you guys get a meet going once a month to discuss and draft a solution doctrine! Yeah, yeah....and go off to Capital Hill and present it.

[blackboi50]

Why don't you guys get a meet going once a month to discuss and draft a soultion doctrine! Yeah, yeah....and go off to Capital Hill and present it.

man peeps are so sour over this there will prolly be fist fights....1

[Justin51982]

man peeps are so sour over this there will prolly be fist fights....1

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Sometimes it is nice to have discussions with opposing views, that way each person can open their minds a little bit, if they want to.

Even so, I don't think us posting on here is going to make much difference anyway.

[MachNU]

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Sometimes it is nice to have discussions with opposing views, that way each person can open their minds a little bit, if they want to.

Even so, I don't think us posting on here is going to make much difference anyway.

Dam I actually forgot about this thread! But that line is oh so true!

[bu villain]

As I said before "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Nice to see someone else with the foresight and intelligence to properly respond to some of this liberal propaganda

This is exactly what's wrong with politics today. I am a registered republican (although more liberal on some social issues) who believes in small government but because I didn't follow stritct party lines on this issue I am now accused of preaching "liberal propaganda". Would it really be so bad to leave words like "liberal" or "conservative" out of your response and just say he made a good reply?

I actually agree with a lot of what Jimmy was saying. Part of the problem was that my post wasn't intended to be taken quite so literal (my fault). For example, I know that it's not only private businesses that received the stimulus money but my point was is that a lot of it is, and much of that which is not is being invested in infrastructure and education which I see as important for our future economy.

I was also trying to make another general point which is that our national debt is not the same as personal debts. We will always be in debt simply because of the way our federal reserve works. Also, what do you think would happen if China tried to call in our debt to them (not that they would want to try and bankrupt their biggest customer)? You think we would start selling all our assets to pay them back the way citizens do?

[1SICKLEX]

This is exactly what's wrong with politics today. I am a registered republican (although more liberal on some social issues) who believes in small government but because I didn't follow stritct party lines on this issue I am now accused of preaching "liberal propaganda". Would it really be so bad to leave words like "liberal" or "conservative" out of your response and just say he made a good reply?

I actually agree with a lot of what Jimmy was saying. Part of the problem was that my post wasn't intended to be taken quite so literal (my fault). For example, I know that it's not only private businesses that received the stimulus money but my point was is that a lot of it is, and much of that which is not is being invested in infrastructure and education which I see as important for our future economy.

I was also trying to make another general point which is that our national debt is not the same as personal debts. We will always be in debt simply because of the way our federal reserve works. Also, what do you think would happen if China tried to call in our debt to them (not that they would want to try and bankrupt their biggest customer)? You think we would start selling all our assets to pay them back the way citizens do?

Amen brother Amen!!!!

[Justin51982]

[QUOTE=bu villain;38267751]This is exactly what's wrong with politics today. I am a registered republican (although more liberal on some social issues) who believes in small government but because I didn't follow stritct party lines on this issue I am now accused of preaching "liberal propaganda". Would it really be so bad to leave words like "liberal" or "conservative" out of your response and just say he made a good reply?[QUOTE]

That wasn't my quote, it was Regan's, and it is true. I am, however, about over this thread. It becomes exhasperating.

[0p7!mu5]

Ok if anybody really wants to solve anything on both sides get every senator and congressman who has been around for more than 2 terms and get them off capitol hill. for real After so long its all personal gain anyway. America voted the GOP lost and you guys are bitching as much as the Liberals were when Bush won. I dont agree with either side on a lot of things because honestly all bullshit aside nobody up there does what they are asupposed to do half the time til something bad happens. Pelosi is a fucking moron and the GOP excell at putting their foot in their mouths half the time. Universal Healthcare is not going to pass because funding and lack of a means to handle it. my opinon is funding could have came if we enacted the fair tax but very few people put up for that because whould that not solve the immigration problem because they would be paying taxes no matter what and that could go to more currently existing social programs. Not to mention funding defense because tax evasion would be hard. Sure shit will go up but its not like it isnt anyway that's the way the market goes. i applaud both presidents (bush for his persistence in pursuing those that harm us and Obama for at least attempting to help the middle class) but lets face it they arent without flaws. no man is so how foolish are you guys to put the full blame on either party when both parties could have solved many problems ages ago if they got off their ass and stopped pointing fingers?

[AirMax95]

Ok if anybody really wants to solve anything on both sides get every senator and congressman who has been around for more than 2 terms and get them off capitol hill. for real After so long its all personal gain anyway. America voted the GOP lost and you guys are bitching as much as the Liberals were when Bush won. I dont agree with either side on a lot of things because honestly all bullshit aside nobody up there does what they are asupposed to do half the time til something bad happens. Pelosi is a fucking moron and the GOP excell at putting their foot in their mouths half the time. Universal Healthcare is not going to pass because funding and lack of a means to handle it. my opinon is funding could have came if we enacted the fair tax but very few people put up for that because whould that not solve the immigration problem because they would be paying taxes no matter what and that could go to more currently existing social programs. Not to mention funding defense because tax evasion would be hard. Sure shit will go up but its not like it isnt anyway that's the way the market goes. i applaud both presidents (bush for his persistence in pursuing those that harm us and Obama for at least attempting to help the middle class) but lets face it they arent without flaws. no man is so how foolish are you guys to put the full blame on either party when both parties could have solved many problems ages ago if they got off their ass and stopped pointing fingers?

Even though I had to sift through the mess, I understand what you are saying. :goodjob:

I still say screw "parties".