rx7 or 240? Cant Make up mind

[G'd[UP]]

Should i get a 1990 rx7 convertible with some small mods, or a 1992 240sx coupe that is stock? i cant make up my mind on which one i should get? tell me some reasons i should pick one over the other

[thegovanator]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4753/rx7widefenders.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5133/foresightfenders2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll158/driftingmyfc/1393436993_87ac424bdc_b.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll158/driftingmyfc/DSC_0007.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s251/Travisv11/furb4.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/11971nt.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/1324760/p3.jpg

Just sayin....

[eraser4g63]

How Deep are your Pockets?
Just sayin...
Both have there advantages and disadvantages. I am not gonna lie the cost of owning an RX-7 will be your down fall unless you have money to throw at it, and I am not talking $50 here and $100 there. My last set of repairs cost over $700 chasing a coolant leak. I don't mean I kept fixing the wrong part I literally mean i chased it around the engine bay. And unless your gonna buy a turbo FC I wouldn't bother because you will get drug by a fucking moped.

[boostleak]

HOT DAMN! those are some sexy FC's! Both are great cars, depends. Don't get a rotary if you don't know shit about them. They can be amazing cars but if you have not a single clue they will be your worst nightmare. A 240 is a great entry car, and generaly the KA is way more reliable then the 13B. I do love RX-7's, but unless you have the bank to make sure they are well toking care of, 240 homie:goodjob:

[thegovanator]

RX-7's are great cars to have though, I've never had a horrible problem with mine. If you take care of it it will take care of you. Another good thing is that a rotary isn't too hard to work on.

[Sinfix_15]

OMFG that black FC is sexy..... i submit.

[boostleak]

How Deep are your Pockets?
Just sayin...
Both have there advantages and disadvantages. I am not gonna lie the cost of owning an RX-7 will be your down fall unless you have money to throw at it, and I am not talking $50 here and $100 there. My last set of repairs cost over $700 chasing a coolant leak. I don't mean I kept fixing the wrong part I literally mean i chased it around the engine bay. And unless your gonna buy a turbo FC I wouldn't bother because you will get drug by a fucking moped. Couldn't of said it better about RX-7's! This man is right, a RX-7 if not toking care right. Will not be a good idea. As far as 240's, you still have to be care full at what your looking at, i lucked up on mines. Me being 3rd owner, 2nd owner was a dumb ass but had it for a month and didn't destroy it. The first owner had it from the beginning and i have tones of repairs/maints dating back to 1993. Also first owner used it as his job car, he workedd for direct TV. So the car only saw highway miles then sat in the sun.(a reason to my faded pain)

[Sinfix_15]

I'd say it depends on which engine you want to go with. i LOVE rx7s... but in my eyes... buying one is commiting yourself to do an engine swap. Rotary FTL.

[boostleak]

Also judging by the fact you have a DSM. I think you could handle the 7. Especially if you have be able to keep your DSM running lol

[eraser4g63]

OMFG that black FC is sexy..... i submit.

Though it is kind of dissapointing there is not a stock bodied one in the lot
IE-
http://gallery.me.com/tyler_ames/100092/P2062595.jpg?derivative=medium&source=web.jpg&type=medium&ver=12395992290001
http://gallery.me.com/tyler_ames/100092/P2062607/web.jpg?ver=12395993440001
/Shameless plug.

[thegovanator]

Not Really on the swap, just make sure you do everything you can to make sure the car is good when you go to buy it like a compression test.

A friend on mine has over 250,000 original engine miles on his 7

[eraser4g63]

Motor swaps are not a definate but are becoming the norm. Mine is a prime example but I went from a s4 turbo to an s5 turbo.

[G'd[UP]]

Hey guys, thanks for the insight. yea and this is my second dsm, my first was a 96 that i built and put down 340hp, so workin on problem cars isnt a big deal lol. but as far as power and fun to drive factor is what im lookin for. lol and the fc im lookin at is a vert! which is a plus. and the 240 needs a/c recharged. I love the lines on thr rx7 but also like the 240 so i guess i gotta do some good ole fashioned research.

[G'd[UP]]

and yea both motors are N/A. they didnt make a turbo convertible in the states for the FC.

[thegovanator]

http://pics.shadyracing.net/albums/userpics/DSC02232.jpg
http://pics.shadyracing.net/albums/userpics/PICT0049.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o225/Bastard-/RX7/test1.jpg
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http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7611/1000442.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1885/dscn4211.jpg

For the guy that wanted stock body pics..... sadly the red one is no more :cry:

[G'd[UP]]

I like how thr rx7 guys just threw up pics and said no more!!! lol

[eraser4g63]

Thank you, I prefer the stock bodied FCs over the outrageous kits that people are slapping on em.

[thegovanator]

Mine is stock body too except the wheels, I prefer a simple small lip on the front and a nice set of wheels and thats about it for the exterior...... the engine bay is a whole nother story

[thegovanator]

G'd up we don't have to say anything the cars speak for themselves

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.sillbeer.com/sillbeer-autosalon07/images/P1040503.jpg


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa291/sr20drifter1/sillbeer-d3-1024x768.jpg

[eraser4g63]

Mine is stock body too except the wheels, I prefer a simple small lip on the front and a nice set of wheels and thats about it for the exterior...... the engine bay is a whole nother story
Mine is the Arctic silver one I posted. I have way to much money in it, plus it attacks my wife on a regular basis.

[thegovanator]

Yea I'm familiar with yours because you were trying to sell it.

[Sinfix_15]

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/82/l_533fc03d10bc42358a80197cfa169262.jpg:ninja: :camera: :ninja:

[eraser4g63]

^^^^^GTFO her with that shit, jking.
Yeah I got bit by the Corvette bug a while back. But decided to hold on to the FC I have a little more I would like to get done. You don't know anyone with a spare radio surround do you?

[thegovanator]

Possibly let me do some asking around the next few days and I will get back to you on that. Those damn things are expensive to buy new and it doesn't help that Mazdatrix likes to bend you over with their prices

[eraser4g63]

I use MAZMART, but I really don't want to pay $149 for a new one. I have a Carbon Fiber one but did a test fit and really did not care for the way it looked.

[thegovanator]

Mazmart is alright, I know a guy that works there. I prefer to just go through the 7 club and such.

[Sinfix_15]

^^^^^GTFO her with that shit, jking.
Yeah I got bit by the Corvette bug a while back. But decided to hold on to the FC I have a little more I would like to get done. You don't know anyone with a spare radio surround do you?

burned! :cry:

[boostleak]

Eh, KA FTMFW! Also is the 240 a coupe or hatch?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c268/RamonRuiz/Exhaust/IMG_2573edit.jpg
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http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/sterlinge/my240sx2.jpg
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http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac42/skooter240/005.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

dayum that red 240 on prostars looks nasty. boostleak, would you happen to know the wheel specs on that? i'm wanting to buy welds myself.

[thegovanator]

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/RX7%20D1%20NKB/20080428-IMG_8148.jpg

3 rotor beats KA

[G'd[UP]]

its a coupe!

[eraser4g63]

Mazmart is alright, I know a guy that works there. I prefer to just go through the 7 club and such.
I really dont hang around on there too much there is an awful lot of nut swinging done. Thought it does suck Icemark died a while back.

To the OP- Honestly your best bet for deciding is figuring out what your goals for the vehicle is as with any major purchase where do you want it to be when your done. The other thing is go out and kick some tires i had a buddy of mine looking to buy an FC not too long ago so I let him test drive mine for a while and let him put gas in it and measure out the premix oil for a bit. Surely you know some one that owns an RX-7 and a 240sx to try out. I am by no means telling you to go beat the shit out of someone else car, but go take one out for a spin. Another thing to keep in mind is that the non turbo FCs are grossly underpowered and that is something to keep in mind, If it not something you care about then its what ever.

[thegovanator]

Yea everyone misses Icemark, but nut swinging??? how is IA any better?

[Sinfix_15]

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/RX7%20D1%20NKB/20080428-IMG_8148.jpg

3 rotor beats KA

http://driftjapan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/tomei-rb26dett-engine.jpg

rb26 > everything.

[eraser4g63]

Touche gov, touche.

Mine making 6 PSI with launch control. (http://gallery.me.com/tyler_ames#100115/Launch%20control&bgcolor=black)

Nasty 3 rotor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgNU3LUtsU)

10,000rpms in an FC3S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcyvTuoslAA&feature=related)

This one makes me smile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycUKYI1yUlA)

[boostleak]

dayum that red 240 on prostars looks nasty. boostleak, would you happen to know the wheel specs on that? i'm wanting to buy welds myself. Um, i know only the rear are 15x8 with a 5.5 backspace. And yes it is quite sexy! i assume the front are the same just w/out the spacer!

[Sinfix_15]

Um, i know only the rear are 15x8 with a 5.5 backspace.

5 lug mustang bolt pattern correct?

[boostleak]

5 lug mustang bolt pattern correct? Yup, they are the exact same bolt pattern as the mustangs, 5x114.3! You are correct!:yes:

EDIT: i have nothing against rotary's.. but when you see something like this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=metkCYCt7Ak :tongue1:

[boostleak]

^^^^^GTFO her with that shit, jking.
Yeah I got bit by the Corvette bug a while back. lol, corvettes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYt09VC9jBg <-That one had a 200shot/cams/intake:blah: lol chalk one up for the KA yo'!

[RUFFIAN]

Also judging by the fact you have a DSM. I think you could handle the 7. Especially if you have be able to keep your DSM running lolwell said :cheers: :cheers:

[OUTLAW]

this will fix your rotary trouble hahahahhahaha


http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/images/RX7-LS1-1591.jpg


http://www.dragtimes.com/images/9609-1988-Mazda-RX-7.jpg

http://www.a-spectuning.com/images/gallery/ls1vette.jpg

[SampaGuy]

My old car. Stock body + OEM wing. With the right wheels would look good.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i224/petervietor/060628_PV_0052.jpg

[batlbrandon]

RX-7 with a KA-T. :goodjob:

[HypnoToad]

i say go with the 240

[Sammich]

RX7>240 IMO

[hadouken]

^^x2

[87 Turbo II]

Not to bash on 240s here, but they're everywhere, 7s aren't as common. 7s have superior chassis stock for stock, 7s have better brakes, 7s rev higher, 7s have the same straight line performance stock for stock. You're comparing a grand touring sports car to an entry level sports coupe. The choice should be obvious.

[Sinfix_15]

That goes both ways. Hinsonsupercars.com rx7s & 240sxs.
http://www.club240.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=173





this will fix your rotary trouble hahahahhahaha


http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/images/RX7-LS1-1591.jpg


http://www.dragtimes.com/images/9609-1988-Mazda-RX-7.jpg

http://www.a-spectuning.com/images/gallery/ls1vette.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

Not to bash on 240s here, but they're everywhere, 7s aren't as common. 7s have superior chassis stock for stock, 7s have better brakes, 7s rev higher, 7s have the same straight line performance stock for stock. You're comparing a grand touring sports car to an entry level sports coupe. The choice should be obvious.

superior chassis stock for stock? have you flipped your lid? 240sx sits on a platform shared with the Silvia and Skyline. Hicas > you. S13 Skyline won 29 of 29 races its first year and followed that up by winning 50 of 50 and carrying the championship each year. The chassis the 240sx sits on is far superior to an rx7.

[87 Turbo II]

superior chassis stock for stock? have you flipped your lid? 240sx sits on a platform shared with the Silvia and Skyline. Hicas > you. S13 Skyline won 29 of 29 races its first year and followed that up by winning 50 of 50 and carrying the championship each year. The chassis the 240sx sits on is far superior to an rx7.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that a U.S. spec 240, even a hicas comes factory with all wheel steering, 4 piston brakes up front, 2 in the rear(wrapped around 10.7 inch discs and 10.3 front/rear respectively), with a clutch-type LSD (Viscus type is crap), 50/50 weight distribution and low center of gravity that only a rotary can provide. Also, the S chassis is not the same a skyline chassis. They can share similar architecture but similar =/= same. The 240 is NOT a spectacular car, I have driven my room mate's wonderful example of a 240, and I have driven countless 2nd generation Rx-7s. You can't deny the laws of physics, the 2nd generation Rx-7 has a far superior chassis than the S chassis especially the worst of the S-chassis cars, the one with the truck-sourced KA24DE.

[HypnoToad]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that a U.S. spec 240, even a hicas comes factory with all wheel steering, 4 piston brakes up front, 2 in the rear(wrapped around 10.7 inch discs and 10.3 front/rear respectively), with a clutch-type LSD (Viscus type is crap), 50/50 weight distribution and low center of gravity that only a rotary can provide. Also, the S chassis is not the same a skyline chassis. They can share similar architecture but similar =/= same. The 240 is NOT a spectacular car, I have driven my room mate's wonderful example of a 240, and I have driven countless 2nd generation Rx-7s. You can't deny the laws of physics, the 2nd generation Rx-7 has a far superior chassis than the S chassis especially the worst of the S-chassis cars, the one with the truck-sourced KA24DE.

i never saw nissan win le mans either.

[Sinfix_15]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that a U.S. spec 240, even a hicas comes factory with all wheel steering, 4 piston brakes up front, 2 in the rear(wrapped around 10.7 inch discs and 10.3 front/rear respectively), with a clutch-type LSD (Viscus type is crap), 50/50 weight distribution and low center of gravity that only a rotary can provide. Also, the S chassis is not the same a skyline chassis. They can share similar architecture but similar =/= same. The 240 is NOT a spectacular car, I have driven my room mate's wonderful example of a 240, and I have driven countless 2nd generation Rx-7s. You can't deny the laws of physics, the 2nd generation Rx-7 has a far superior chassis than the S chassis especially the worst of the S-chassis cars, the one with the truck-sourced KA24DE.

in base trim rx7>240. In race trim 240>rx7. Make fair comparisons... a na 2nd gen is not a spectacular car either. Rx7 is trimmed better stock... easy observation to make. Compare chassis potential vs the nearest trim of s13. Compare a TurboII to a Silvia Ks

[Sinfix_15]

i never saw nissan win le mans either.

787b is not a rx7.

[HypnoToad]

in base trim rx7>240. In race trim 240>rx7. Make fair comparisons... a na 2nd gen is not a spectacular car either. Rx7 is trimmed better stock... easy observation to make. Compare chassis potential vs the nearest trim of s13. Compare a TurboII to a Silvia Ks

but if were talking US stock models,the RX-7 wins.

and no the 787B is not a 7,but its a rotary engine....just stating that a nissan powered car hasnt done that.

[G'd[UP]]

lol, now the real opinions are coming out!!! nice and i know the potential of the two chassis. both can be very nice cars!! but continue with the opinions.

[Sinfix_15]

but if were talking US stock models,the RX-7 wins.

and no the 787B is not a 7,but its a rotary engine....just stating that a nissan powered car hasnt done that.

US stock models, i agree... there's no comparison. Rx7 is a better trimmed car stock. But if you look at what is under the bolt ons, the s13 chassis is a far more proven platform. If a Geo metro came factory with brembos and tien coil overs would you say it was a better car than a corvette if corvettes came factory with drum brakes? Look at whats under the interchangable parts.

Judging trim... there's no comparison, rx7 has higher quality parts in stock trim. Without starting an engine debate because rotary fans will never bow down to any challengers... i would think the majority would agree that Nissan powertrain is superior.

[HypnoToad]

US stock models, i agree... there's no comparison. Rx7 is a better trimmed car stock. But if you look at what is under the bolt ons, the s13 chassis is a far more proven platform. If a Geo metro came factory with brembos and tien coil overs would you say it was a better car than a corvette if corvettes came factory with drum brakes? Look at whats under the interchangable parts.

Judging trim... there's no comparison, rx7 has higher quality parts in stock trim. Without starting an engine debate because rotary fans will never bow down to any challengers... i would think the majority would agree that Nissan powertrain is superior.

o i belive the 240 deff a better and cheaper car to mod,and the n/a FCs are nothing to brag about,i mean they have nice stuff and u can throw em around.

and if u dont know bout rotary engines,might wanna skip it.

[Sinfix_15]

o i belive the 240 deff a better and cheaper car to mod,and the n/a FCs are nothing to brag about,i mean they have nice stuff and u can throw em around.

and if u dont know bout rotary engines,might wanna skip it.

ive owned a couple rx7s, i know how to disconnect and remove a rotary engine. Which is as much as ive ever wanted to know.

valid points made here.... *cheaper* *better car to mod*. Why are rx7s trimmed better stock? because they cost more... sure rx7s have better brakes and better shocks stock... the price would indicate that. 240sx is a cheaper car with more readily available and user friendly modifications. It has a wider range of reasonable engine options and parts and service will be far less of a hastle.

:bump:

[Shadow102]

I might be a little bias since the op is looking at my 7 right now that I have up for sale. I have driven stock 240's and a 240 with coilovers and a sr20 swap. The 240 may not always be a cheaper solution a sr swap costs just about the same as a turbo rotary swap and a turbo rotary will make more power than a sr20 will make because at some point that sr is going to need rods and pistons.

the biggest difference as stated was that the rx7 is a much more luxurious car over all. Its a much smooth and solid drive over a 240.

Granted parts are easier to find for a 240 and you don't have to go re learning a whole new engine setup.

And to plug my own car, my main focus while I have had the car is making sure mechanically the car is in awesome shape...I keep getting asked why I am selling since the car is running awesome.

Ohhh and one big downside to the rx7...a 240sx will never be as loud as a na rotary lol.

[HypnoToad]

ive owned a couple rx7s, i know how to disconnect and remove a rotary engine. Which is as much as ive ever wanted to know.

valid points made here.... *cheaper* *better car to mod*. Why are rx7s trimmed better stock? because they cost more... sure rx7s have better brakes and better shocks stock... the price would indicate that. 240sx is a cheaper car with more readily available and user friendly modifications. It has a wider range of reasonable engine options and parts and service will be far less of a hastle.

:bump:

o i wasnt saying u didnt know,just mean anyone thinking bout buying one,i mean their not real different but they do have thier little quirks

deff the FC is more of a GT car,came with all kinds of gadgets....the 240sx was just a normal sportscoupe in the "us",but when u start adding thing that came on overseas cars they deff get better.

i really would never compare a 240 to a RX-7,id compare a Z car to a RX-7.

[Sinfix_15]

if the OP is shopping. I've got this for sale.

one of the very few unmolested 240s. Purchased from the garage of a retired old lady. crack free and undamaged interior. Ac works, trim panels, seals and glass are all excellent. car is straight as an arrow. 5 speed, cd player,ac, instrument panel works perfect. Rare find in the 240 world. An untouched canvas ready to be created.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/64/l_bc16dc01dab14ec387e330fffef92bd9.jpg

Silvia left out in the rain while the 240sx sleeps in comfort.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/80/l_bd8b76ac9d1f447fa6c3a52c63f58b80.jpg

s2000 out in the rain while the 240sx sleeps in comfort.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/112/l_1cc922faad8d41af916ac2b7166519c4.jpg

[87 Turbo II]

in base trim rx7>240. In race trim 240>rx7. Make fair comparisons... a na 2nd gen is not a spectacular car either. Rx7 is trimmed better stock... easy observation to make. Compare chassis potential vs the nearest trim of s13. Compare a TurboII to a Silvia Ks
I was talking stock for stock, and no, I will not compare a TII you can pick up here for $3000-$4000 to a car never sold in America. You act like, that for the purposes of this thread, the owner is choosing between a Hicas 240 and an N/A FC, or a TII and a Silvia Ks. That's just not the comparison. If the OP has Hicas money, he's also looking at a tII, if he doesn't he's compairng most likely a 240 SE hatch to a GXL or GTU Rx7. Youre telling me to make fair comparisons. I also don't have a clue what you're talking about in terms of bolt ons. Both can get coil overs, both can upgrade the brakes (although most find they never need to as the TII has the same brakes as the FD). They both can make insane power, although I'll admit that with power you'll hit a 200 HP ceiling in an N/A FC really fast and the 240s have LOADS of powertrain options. For all intents and purposes though we'll start with stock vs. stock, then we must ask what the purpose of the car will be. 7s were built to do nothing BUT handle, so I really think that anything short of long course road racing, or drags strips, you won't find any major advantages to the S chassis. I mean, sure, you can put 300ZX brakes on a 240, but then you'll just be where the Fc started..... the rest of the aftermarket supplies a plethora of quality parts for both chassis. I know you know way more than I about 240s, but having lived with a guy for 4 months who owned a 240 and getting really personal with it, as well as having owned an Rx-7 myself, I think I know more about the 2 chassis together.

[Justin51982]

I just bought my second FC. Great car and ungodly potential.

[Sinfix_15]

I was talking stock for stock, and no, I will not compare a TII you can pick up here for $3000-$4000 to a car never sold in America. You act like, that for the purposes of this thread, the owner is choosing between a Hicas 240 and an N/A FC, or a TII and a Silvia Ks. That's just not the comparison. If the OP has Hicas money, he's also looking at a tII, if he doesn't he's compairng most likely a 240 SE hatch to a GXL or GTU Rx7. Youre telling me to make fair comparisons. I also don't have a clue what you're talking about in terms of bolt ons. Both can get coil overs, both can upgrade the brakes (although most find they never need to as the TII has the same brakes as the FD). They both can make insane power, although I'll admit that with power you'll hit a 200 HP ceiling in an N/A FC really fast and the 240s have LOADS of powertrain options. For all intents and purposes though we'll start with stock vs. stock, then we must ask what the purpose of the car will be. 7s were built to do nothing BUT handle, so I really think that anything short of long course road racing, or drags strips, you won't find any major advantages to the S chassis. I mean, sure, you can put 300ZX brakes on a 240, but then you'll just be where the Fc started..... the rest of the aftermarket supplies a plethora of quality parts for both chassis. I know you know way more than I about 240s, but having lived with a guy for 4 months who owned a 240 and getting really personal with it, as well as having owned an Rx-7 myself, I think I know more about the 2 chassis together.

i've owned a few of both of the cars in question. Stock vs stock, like you said... there's no comparison. The rx7 is a better stock vehicle, most of its standard equip is already capable, but the price difference also reflects that. With a 240sx, you're buying a cheaper and less equipt car that is capable of doing everything an rx7 can. As you stated, there are several chassis simularities. both cars have coilovers, disc brakes, IRS... Though the rx7 is capable factory, the parts needed to bring the 240sx up to par or better are cheap and readily available. It would not be hard to bring a 240sx up to the level of an rx7 stock vs stock just using the difference in value, but with the 240sx you would have the enjoyment of modifying the car and also knowing you have new parts installed.

The rx7 corners you in the powertrain department. If you chose not to go rotary, what are your options? completely overhauling the powertrain of the car? 240sx has a variety of user friendly engine combinations that are better than rotary engines.

If you wanna save money on brakes and put it towards doing a full blown engine swap.... get an rx7.

If you want a cheap and easy platform, get a 240sx.

[eraser4g63]

One thing to consider with a rotary is that it takes twice as much Fuel and Air to make the same power as a piston engine. That is why you have so many people running around in the rotary world with 1600cc secondary injectors. Its why I am about to order 1000cc secondary and I will be making in the 375-400 HP range on high boost, where a piston engine would not need nearly the same amount of fuel. On another not you will never have to worry about pistons hitting valves or timing chain/belt issues with a rotary. Before anyone starts pissing and moaning about Apex Seals you can buy a rebuild kit for the engine for under $1300 do that with a piston engine.

[Shadow102]

i've owned a few of both of the cars in completely overhauling the powertrain of the car? 240sx has a variety of user friendly engine combinations that are better than rotary engines.

If you wanna save money on brakes and put it towards doing a full blown engine swap.... get an rx7.

If you want a cheap and easy platform, get a 240sx.

I would definalty have to beg to differ on those statements...like I said a turbo rotary swap and a sr20det are about the same price with a sr being on the more expensive side (go drift tax) a turbo rotary will make more power than a stock block sr any day and most built sr's as well.

A rotary engine though is only as good as the person who owns it...if you are not willing to take the time to learn about what exactly the engine is all about and what not to do with it than yes it blows up easily...if you keep the heat out of it, don't let it knock, and keep the carbon out of it the rotary is just as reliable and stong as any piston engine out there.

[eraser4g63]

Another point no one has made yet is while driving you utilize the power differently. It is hard to explain but when you start to drive any rotary you'll find out what I am talking about.

[G'd[UP]]

thanks for all the help guys im leaning towards the 7 a lot. lol i have always liked the styling of them and i dont plan on doin anything major to the motor for a while. and thanks for the input SHADOW, will be lookin forward to seein the car in person tomorrow. again thanks for all the input guys!!

[thegovanator]

^ Good choice

btw eraser I'm in the process of hunting you down a radio surround

[DVSRX-7]

all the guy wanted to know which car would make him look better, and of course the 7 wins!!

[gottraction?]

rx7 hands down!

[Shadow102]

"]thanks for all the help guys im leaning towards the 7 a lot. lol i have always liked the styling of them and i dont plan on doin anything major to the motor for a while. and thanks for the input SHADOW, will be lookin forward to seein the car in person tomorrow. again thanks for all the input guys!!

lol no problem...i do know one thing if the car wasnt a vert i would be keeping it hands down but it just doesnt fit with what i want to do with the car...i know sooner or later i will be picking up a TII.

Hey eraser let me check with my guy and see if he has any of those radio surrounds...dude lives up in buford area and has every conceivable part i have needed.

[eraser4g63]

^ Good choice

btw eraser I'm in the process of hunting you down a radio surround

Heck yeah man. LMK what you find. I am going to be listing my C/F one for sale tomorrow.

[boostleak]

One thing to consider with a rotary is that it takes twice as much Fuel and Air to make the same power as a piston engine. That is why you have so many people running around in the rotary world with 1600cc secondary injectors. Its why I am about to order 1000cc secondary and I will be making in the 375-400 HP range on high boost, where a piston engine would not need nearly the same amount of fuel. On another not you will never have to worry about pistons hitting valves or timing chain/belt issues with a rotary. Before anyone starts pissing and moaning about Apex Seals you can buy a rebuild kit for the engine for under $1300 do that with a piston engine. A FULL OEM rebuild kit for a KA is under $600:thinking:.

This thread went down after i left. Most of the post around have seemed more bias from the people who own it. Also some dude stating "i wouldn't get a 240 because its common is no way to judge the car", that a very bad point and shows more a biased side. Also to the "stock for stock RX7 beats 240" okay whats your point the cars are over 10 years old that was back when they where "NEW" and before chassis flex took effect.:no:

That was another bad statement. Okay so back in the early 90's lets say the Rx-7 was better. Well who has a better suspension aftermarket community?i would guess the more COMMON one:rolleyes:, because company s are hear to make money, in order to do that they need to meet demands.


I actually though this was going to be a decent thread, but i noticed some fan-bitch shit in here.

Another thing is, a buddy of mines had a FC, and it was ragged on (motor was to shit) and don't get me started on how much body roll that thing, had, but dont get me wrong my "stock" coupe has plenty of it too. I wonder why, OH because they are old fucking cars.:rolleyes:.

Now, because most bias shit i heard lets list some cons of the Rx-7 : They are TQ-less, highmaint,OLD (just like the 240), the rebuild kit is $1300, You need to know something about it before you get it.

Just using facts the KA IS a more reliable motor then the 13b/NA or turbo. Face it, it has more tq, rebuild kit is less then $600. I could keep going on but i would sound bias. Hell in my opinion i think the KA is a very underrated motor. hell, its practically a truck motor.(nissan hardbody)

Did i also tell you how shity 13b MPG are?

I'm not trying to bash anyone hear, especially the seller, but some of this shit posted was just retarded.


I hope you (OP which this rant was directed to) get the car right for you, not because its "UNCOMMON" or it had a better chassis over 10 years ago, but because you want that car.

Honestly if i could i would have a RX7. (wouldnt trade it for my 240 though)


Now if you want facts i would suggest you go look online about Cons and pros of both cars.


Some Cons about the 240 are, immature kids get it and think its the best thing out on the road, and the tear it up. The seat belt (s13) = fail sauce, UNDERPOWERED, window seal are done improperly and over time will leak, and the list goes on.


Actually i hope you get the Rx-7 if you can handle it, you just need to know some facts about them before putting your self in a bad position. (financially)


EIDT: its not like your buying a BRAND fucking new rx-7 vs 240, so get that stock for stock bullshit out.

/rant.


Anyhow i hope you get a great car/deal and enjoy every moment just like i do with my 240.:cheers:

also i don't give a shit because "sooo many people have it" to me that sounds like a failed attempt to be different.




Sorry for typos or skipped words, i think faster then i type and don't have time to proof read this. So fill in the blanks if any.

[87 Turbo II]

That was another bad statement. Okay so back in the early 90's lets say the Rx-7 was better. Well who has a better suspension aftermarket community?i would guess the more COMMON one:rolleyes:, because company s are hear to make money, in order to do that they need to meet demands.

If you're buying stuff actually worth putting on a car, well built, quality stuff, both cars will take benefit of parts with about the same quality, performance, and price. Now, since one is more common, there will be a lot more JUNK available for it. In order to get companies a quick sale. This can often disguise itself as "being cheaper to mod". Tell me one part you can buy for the 240 that they just plain don't make for a 7 because of popularity, don't get smart with me and list engine internals.

[boostleak]

If you're buying stuff actually worth putting on a car, well built, quality stuff, both cars will take benefit of parts with about the same quality, performance, and price. Now, since one is more common, there will be a lot more JUNK available for it. In order to get companies a quick sale. This can often disguise itself as "being cheaper to mod". Tell me one part you can buy for the 240 that they just plain don't make for a 7 because of popularity, don't get smart with me and list engine internals. Ok, first of all why would i list engine internals if i specifically said suspension? Sounds like your getting smart with your self, chief. Also when did i say the" 240 has parts the Rx7 doesn't." :thinking: You are looking for a flaw that doesn't exist in my post. Now I'm not trying to "get smart" with you simply because i am smart,but it seems you are adding/reading things in my post i didn't say. i said the "community is better" simple. offering more parts or in your eyes , "junk". Besides if they didn't make a part who cares, custom fab. Anyhow i will await another post that might actually be parallel to mines.

BUT with you imagining things that are in my post, i hope your aren't another Rx7 bias guy, so far with what you "read" it seems like it, If so just end the conversation here.

[man]

buy my FC Turbo

[slostang]

One thing to consider with a rotary is that it takes twice as much Fuel and Air to make the same power as a piston engine. That is why you have so many people running around in the rotary world with 1600cc secondary injectors. Its why I am about to order 1000cc secondary and I will be making in the 375-400 HP range on high boost, where a piston engine would not need nearly the same amount of fuel. On another not you will never have to worry about pistons hitting valves or timing chain/belt issues with a rotary. Before anyone starts pissing and moaning about Apex Seals you can buy a rebuild kit for the engine for under $1300 do that with a piston engine.

i can buy re-built small block chevy's all day for less than 1k. and get a warranty.

[Shadow102]

I still don't get why people think the rotary is high maint.

To address the suspension thing the rx7 has as much if not more options than the 240...you have to remember the rx7 has been around longer, is much more popular for club racing, and the 240 has only been a big tuning platform since the inception of drifting back in the early 2000's where as the rx7 has been an icon sports car from the day it was released.

Not trying to be some fan boi but way too many people talk about the rx7 and more specifically the rotary engine without the actual knowledge of what that engine is all about and understanding just how simple the engine is.

[87 Turbo II]

Ok, first of all why would i list engine internals if i specifically said suspension? Sounds like your getting smart with your self, chief. Also when did i say the" 240 has parts the Rx7 doesn't." :thinking: You are looking for a flaw that doesn't exist in my post. Now I'm not trying to "get smart" with you simply because i am smart,but it seems you are adding/reading things in my post i didn't say. i said the "community is better" simple. offering more parts or in your eyes , "junk". Besides if they didn't make a part who cares, custom fab. Anyhow i will await another post that might actually be parallel to mines.

BUT with you imagining things that are in my post, i hope your aren't another Rx7 bias guy, so far with what you "read" it seems like it, If so just end the conversation here.
I read your WHOLE post then clipped that one part to address it without rereading it, my mind narrowed it to "240s have more aftermarket support" that I was arguing. Which I reinterpreted as "you can buy more stuff for the 240" which makes me raise the question, what could you buy for a 240 that you couldn't upgrade on your 7 just as well? You also don't get a more supportive community than Rx-7s. Mechanics DON'T know how to work on these cars. The owner has to learn. Because of this, we really have to stick together for info, and helping hands. We're all really close because we all have to basically do the work ourselves and know we need the knowledge of other members, but a community argument is entirely different. (By the way, the engine internal stuff wasn't for you, I just didn't want to have to back up the sentence "Name one thing you can buy for a 240 that they don't make for the Rx-7" with a bunch of people reading it quickly, quoting me, and saying dumbass things like "piston rings" "cams" "headgaskets" etc.). I am not biased.I like the Rx-7s, but I am well aware of what it can and cannot do. What it does well, and doesn't do well. I am not one of those ro-tards (rotary retards) that'll say he prefers a rotary to an Ls1 any day, I do like my 7s to have rotaries though). The Rx-7 is a great car, I am not being biased when I am comparing it to a car that nissan made to squeeze more money out of their S-chassis as cheaply as possible. Also, some(don't feel like finding who said it, you or someone else) argue that you can get a 240 for cheap and spend the difference making it as fast or better than the 7, this is not true. Decent running N/A7s go for anywhere from $700 to $2000 depending on condition of cosmetics and touchy things like coolant systems and such because the rotary engine is misunderstood by so many,so people are scared to jump into it and the prices drop. 240s, being so common, are popular, and you're paying more money for the fact that everyone wants one rather than what the car is actually worth. An N/A Rx-7, although not too quick is priced competitively with a 240, a TII is considerably more, but you get considerably more car for the money as well. Once again, a stock 240 really isn't all that special, and an true N/A 7 isn't either, but it's still going to outperform the 240 stock for stock. If you try to argue that with the age of the cars, I bet they both held up the same pretty well, if one started off better than the other, chances are it's probably still ahead, both cars are going to be aging.

I just want to somethings up. I am comparing stock for stock for simplicity, there are specs for these comparisons, there are component types (most of which the N/A 7 and 240 are the same, and the TII is much better), as well as a baseline for depreciative price points and such. My whole point with he aftermarket was that it really shouldn't matter much about the car itself, with cars liek these, it differs too little to effect the purchase of the vehicle itself. I will say that N/A 7s have a huge hp ceiling, where at 180 to 200-ish hp, it's going to start getting REALLY expensive if you want to get more power, where the 240 has MANY options for power delivery, which include, but are not limited to, light Ka upgrades, engine swaps, induction setups, easier timing adjustments and whatnot. The S-chassis also has the benefit of taking some really good parts directly from the 300ZX, Skyline, and Silvia cars, with little or no fab work. The 240 gets better gas mileage, makes more torque, has back seats, will pass emissions easier, generate less heat, hold up better (I will argue that the engine's are every bit as reliableaseach other if you know what you're doing, the heat and average running RPM or a rotary will wear out the accessories faster, cooling/oil systems etc.). The 240 won't (well shouldn't) burn oil, doesn't need as thorough of warmups(although you should thoroughly warm up any car), and there is more mainstream knowelege and shops can actually work on your car fi you're stumped with something. See, I am not close minded, I can take in to account all of these factors. I of course prefer an Rx-7 in terms of the preference alone.

ONCE AGAIN for the purpose of this comparison, I use the simplist comparo, stock for stock, the 7 is a better car. You start off farther ahead. If you want to tackle nothing but suspension, I say keep in mind that the 7 was BUILT for handling, it was sculpted around the rotary, JUST to turn. You will run into HUGE power delivery disadvantages, but it's al about what the car is built for.

( might also add to this short novel of writing, that I am benchmarking handling by roadholding and predictability, I am not sure if someone considers "good handling" the ability to drift or w/e)

[boostleak]

I still don't get why people think the rotary is high maint.

To address the suspension thing the rx7 has as much if not more options than the 240...you have to remember the rx7 has been around longer, is much more popular for club racing, and the 240 has only been a big tuning platform since the inception of drifting back in the early 2000's where as the rx7 has been an icon sports car from the day it was released.

Not trying to be some fan boi but way too many people talk about the rx7 and more specifically the rotary engine without the actual knowledge of what that engine is all about and understanding just how simple the engine is. Im sorry i avoided everything but this one line. Please tell me your joking or are you being hypocritical and making the same assumptions people are with "rotarys" you claim?:no:

Honestly man, options? Okay, let me check the options of my 09 rx...... oh wait never mind. if i wanted a pure sports "new" car i would have bought a Ferrari. The motor compaired to the KA the KA is build more stout then the 13b, (more so the bottom end) but thats the facts man. Yea sure it has three working parts, but you have avoided the main point, this guy was asking advice on which one. I pointed Pro's and cons of BOTH (though not all) im sorry but saying this is a clubs man car, is more worthless information.

RELIABLITY:240
MPG:240
Power out the box:rx-7 (turbo)
Mod FRIENDLY:240
Clubman(though really who gives a fuck?):Rx-7
Stouter motor:KA

^thats just a few.

[Sinfix_15]

i'll close with this.....

I've seen a lot more rx7s with Nissan engines than i have Nissans with mazda engines. The only people who like rotary engines are the rotary fan boys.. and there's no convincing them otherwise. They all like to talk about how great and reliable the rotary engine is... yet probably about 50% of the rx7 population has a piston engine in it.

[87 Turbo II]

Clubman(though really who gives a fuck?):Rx-7

LOL, he's saying club racing over the course of 20-30 years has developed a lot of QUALITY race proven parts, and a very decent aftermarket support. You are basing your aftermarket support with a 10 year old drifting fad of cheap college kids and young-20 somethings wanting to go sideways cause it looks cool, and a movie came out about it. Look who is sounding biased now......

Also, I did say I would argue reliability of a 13B block to a KA block. An engine is as reliable as its owner, you have to shake the rotary horror stories you hear, because most of them are caused by idiots. If you do want to argue that the Ka is stronger, you and I could meet up and have a"who can hold 7K RPM for longer" competition, followed closely by a "observe how loud the 240s lifter ticking is" competition. Oh, but we might not have time for "who's intake and exhaust timing has worn due to age and chain wear competition".

[87 Turbo II]

yet probably about 50% of the rx7 population has a piston engine in it.

Ok, it's obvious you're one of the idiots who spreads info before learning a whole story. Have you actually ever SEEN an Rx-7? you know, those things without cylinder banks? I'd say 3% of the Rx-7 population having piston engines is still too high of a number. Don't talk about something you don't know first hand. You've reduced yourself to throwing out false statistics, assumptions, and every rumor in the book. Congratulations, you debate in the same way a 13 year old does.

[man]

i'll close with this.....

I've seen a lot more rx7s with Nissan engines than i have Nissans with mazda engines. The only people who like rotary engines are the rotary fan boys.. and there's no convincing them otherwise. They all like to talk about how great and reliable the rotary engine is... yet probably about 50% of the rx7 population has a piston engine in it.

Dude you are the biggest fan boy of all. You even posted your own car in a thread of "...the best looking S13s" And why would someone but a rotary in a POS 240 when they put them in Porsches, VWs, BMWs, Subarus, etc.. Just do a search for "rotary swap"

What a clown.

[Sinfix_15]

Ok, it's obvious you're one of the idiots who spreads info before learning a whole story. Have you actually ever SEEN an Rx-7? you know, those things without cylinder banks? I'd say 3% of the Rx-7 population having piston engines is still too high of a number. Don't talk about something you don't know first hand. You've reduced yourself to throwing out false statistics, assumptions, and every rumor in the book. Congratulations, you debate in the same way a 13 year old does.

i've owned 3 rx7s. 2 of which i graced with pistons. I live down the road from Hinson supercars, the piston to rotary ratio here is 50/50.

[Sinfix_15]

Dude you are the biggest fan boy of all. You even posted your own car in a thread of "...the best looking S13s" And why would someone but a rotary in a POS 240 when they put them in Porsches, VWs, BMWs, Subarus, etc.. Just do a search for "rotary swap"

What a clown.

having one of the best looking s13s makes me a clown? dont hate guy... as much as everyone insults 240s for being cheap drift cars.. My car is 100% oem panels that all line up, its one color and its dragging rx7s down the street.

[Mista Foe-Doe]

FC are cool but rotary FTL

[boostleak]

I read your WHOLE post then clipped that one part to address it without rereading it, my mind narrowed it to "240s have more aftermarket support" that I was arguing. Which I reinterpreted as "you can buy more stuff for the 240" which makes me raise the question, what could you buy for a 240 that you couldn't upgrade on your 7 just as well? You also don't get a more supportive community than Rx-7s. Mechanics DON'T know how to work on these cars. The owner has to learn. Because of this, we really have to stick together for info, and helping hands. We're all really close because we all have to basically do the work ourselves and know we need the knowledge of other members, but a community argument is entirely different. (By the way, the engine internal stuff wasn't for you, I just didn't want to have to back up the sentence "Name one thing you can buy for a 240 that they don't make for the Rx-7" with a bunch of people reading it quickly, quoting me, and saying dumbass things like "piston rings" "cams" "headgaskets" etc.). I am not biased.I like the Rx-7s, but I am well aware of what it can and cannot do. What it does well, and doesn't do well. I am not one of those ro-tards (rotary retards) that'll say he prefers a rotary to an Ls1 any day, I do like my 7s to have rotaries though). The Rx-7 is a great car, I am not being biased when I am comparing it to a car that nissan made to squeeze more money out of their S-chassis as cheaply as possible. Also, some(don't feel like finding who said it, you or someone else) argue that you can get a 240 for cheap and spend the difference making it as fast or better than the 7, this is not true. Decent running N/A7s go for anywhere from $700 to $2000 depending on condition of cosmetics and touchy things like coolant systems and such because the rotary engine is misunderstood by so many,so people are scared to jump into it and the prices drop. 240s, being so common, are popular, and you're paying more money for the fact that everyone wants one rather than what the car is actually worth. An N/A Rx-7, although not too quick is priced competitively with a 240, a TII is considerably more, but you get considerably more car for the money as well. Once again, a stock 240 really isn't all that special, and an true N/A 7 isn't either, but it's still going to outperform the 240 stock for stock. If you try to argue that with the age of the cars, I bet they both held up the same pretty well, if one started off better than the other, chances are it's probably still ahead, both cars are going to be aging.

I just want to somethings up. I am comparing stock for stock for simplicity, there are specs for these comparisons, there are component types (most of which the N/A 7 and 240 are the same, and the TII is much better), as well as a baseline for depreciative price points and such. My whole point with he aftermarket was that it really shouldn't matter much about the car itself, with cars liek these, it differs too little to effect the purchase of the vehicle itself. I will say that N/A 7s have a huge hp ceiling, where at 180 to 200-ish hp, it's going to start getting REALLY expensive if you want to get more power, where the 240 has MANY options for power delivery, which include, but are not limited to, light Ka upgrades, engine swaps, induction setups, easier timing adjustments and whatnot. The S-chassis also has the benefit of taking some really good parts directly from the 300ZX, Skyline, and Silvia cars, with little or no fab work. The 240 gets better gas mileage, makes more torque, has back seats, will pass emissions easier, generate less heat, hold up better (I will argue that the engine's are every bit as reliableaseach other if you know what you're doing, the heat and average running RPM or a rotary will wear out the accessories faster, cooling/oil systems etc.). The 240 won't (well shouldn't) burn oil, doesn't need as thorough of warmups(although you should thoroughly warm up any car), and there is more mainstream knowelege and shops can actually work on your car fi you're stumped with something. See, I am not close minded, I can take in to account all of these factors. I of course prefer an Rx-7 in terms of the preference alone.

ONCE AGAIN for the purpose of this comparison, I use the simplist comparo, stock for stock, the 7 is a better car. You start off farther ahead. If you want to tackle nothing but suspension, I say keep in mind that the 7 was BUILT for handling, it was sculpted around the rotary, JUST to turn. You will run into HUGE power delivery disadvantages, but it's al about what the car is built for.

( might also add to this short novel of writing, that I am benchmarking handling by roadholding and predictability, I am not sure if someone considers "good handling" the ability to drift or w/e)

WIN. This sir was the intelligent post i have been looking for form the Rx-7 side. Now some of it i don't agree with , but i do in fact understand where you are coming from. Hopefully i didn't come off to you as a dick, but i was sick and tired of hearing all the "rotary remarks". All i want is facts. Don't think i was 240 bias, but no one was backing them up properly. i agree Rx-7's are amazing cars, again i love them, think they are amazing, and hopefully will own one. The problem with 240's are the "owners" most being dip shit kids thinking they are drift GOD. I just believe the KA are soooo underrated, every body is OOOH I NEED ESS AREEEE/ CEEE AYEEE/ ARE BEEE. Your right the rx-7 was built to handle well, and i do think a Rx-7 will out handle a 240 no doubt. Now your dift comment, lol, Drift does take "handling" for EX: my car has snap over steer like a MOFO. Its all about balance, but dont think because my sig is me sliding around, i dont like road racing or have any knowledge on how a car should feel in contact with the ground, actually i plan on preparing a road course car soon, but enough on that.

Your post has satisfied me, and is fill with a decent write up.

you where able to notify the difference between the motors of the two and OEM handling spec (now i only wish more Rx-7 owners where like this)
:cheers:


i would slag the word S car as a cheap chassis. I dont know if you know this but they also almost have a perfect weight distribution, that's what makes them fun cars. They can be set up for handling or drift easily.



I hope the op takes the post between you and i, to get a better solid ground of information between the two cars.

BUT, we still must get back on subject; Which was what would be the car for him to chose. IF you noticed i didn't target the oem suspension of the two vehicals but the AFTERMARKET community, what i did NOT say but meant to imply was you can set a 240 to handle like its on rails, but thats all in the AFTERMARKET. Actually if you look carefully i tried to deterred the OEM spec's saying that its old and doesn't matter due to chassis flex, wear/tear it will not be able to handle like mazda once advertised it. (OEM SPEC)

The point that i think everyone missed from me was, it depends if he is able to take car of that car. Hell if you read my LAST post from my rant i said i HOPE he indeed gets the rx-7.


But in simplicity the 240, will out last (reliability wise) the 13b. I just want to make sure this guy can handle the task of taking car of this beautiful car. (RX-7) You should too, actually ALL of you mazda boys should, you wouldnt want another POS rx-7 limping its way down the raod right? I would say the same but, thats out of my controlle.


Thanks, Turbo II- you just proved to me not all rx-7'ers are "rotary-tards" lol.

[man]

having one of the best looking s13s makes me a clown? dont hate guy... as much as everyone insults 240s for being cheap drift cars.. My car is 100% oem panels that all line up, its one color and its dragging rx7s down the street.

You really believe you have one of the best looking S13s? What are you trying to prove? And to whom?

[87 Turbo II]

WIN. This sir was the intelligent post i have been looking for form the Rx-7 side. Now some of it i don't agree with , but i do in fact understand where you are coming from. Hopefully i didn't come off to you as a dick, but i was sick and tired of hearing all the "rotary remarks". All i want is facts. Don't think i was 240 bias, but no one was backing them up properly. i agree Rx-7's are amazing cars, again i love them, think they are amazing, and hopefully will own one. The problem with 240's are the "owners" most being dip shit kids thinking they are drift GOD. I just believe the KA are soooo underrated, every body is OOOH I NEED ESS AREEEE/ CEEE AYEEE/ ARE BEEE. Your right the rx-7 was built to handle well, and i do think a Rx-7 will out handle a 240 no doubt. Now your dift comment, lol, Drift does take "handling" for EX: my car has snap over steer like a MOFO. Its all about balance, but dont think because my sig is me sliding around, i dont like road racing or have any knowledge on how a car should feel in contact with the ground, actually i plan on preparing a road course car soon, but enough on that.

Your post has satisfied me, and is fill with a decent write up.

you where able to notify the difference between the motors of the two and OEM handling spec (now i only wish more Rx-7 owners where like this)
:cheers:


i would slag the word S car as a cheap chassis. I dont know if you know this but they also almost have a perfect weight distribution, that's what makes them fun cars. They can be set up for handling or drift easily.



I hope the op takes the post between you and i, to get a better solid ground of information between the two cars.

BUT, we still must get back on subject; Which was what would be the car for him to chose. IF you noticed i didn't target the oem suspension of the two vehicals but the AFTERMARKET community, what i did NOT say but meant to imply was you can set a 240 to handle like its on rails, but thats all in the AFTERMARKET. Actually if you look carefully i tried to deterred the OEM spec's saying that its old and doesn't matter due to chassis flex, wear/tear it will not be able to handle like mazda once advertised it. (OEM SPEC)

The point that i think everyone missed from me was, it depends if he is able to take car of that car. Hell if you read my LAST post from my rant i said i HOPE he indeed gets the rx-7.


But in simplicity the 240, will out last (reliability wise) the 13b. I just want to make sure this guy can handle the task of taking car of this beautiful car. (RX-7) You should too, actually ALL of you mazda boys should, you wouldnt want another POS rx-7 limping its way down the raod right? I would say the same but, thats out of my controlle.


Thanks, Turbo II- you just proved to me not all rx-7'ers are "rotary-tards" lol.
I appreciate your open-minded thinking as well. I never felt heated when debating with you, as you looked at things with a valid, open minded, fact-based argument. REPS to you too.

[boostleak]

LOL, he's saying club racing over the course of 20-30 years has developed a lot of QUALITY race proven parts, and a very decent aftermarket support. You are basing your aftermarket support with a 10 year old drifting fad of cheap college kids and young-20 somethings wanting to go sideways cause it looks cool, and a movie came out about it. Look who is sounding biased now......

Also, I did say I would argue reliability of a 13B block to a KA block. An engine is as reliable as its owner, you have to shake the rotary horror stories you hear, because most of them are caused by idiots. If you do want to argue that the Ka is stronger, you and I could meet up and have a"who can hold 7K RPM for longer" competition, followed closely by a "observe how loud the 240s lifter ticking is" competition. Oh, but we might not have time for "who's intake and exhaust timing has worn due to age and chain wear competition". you just proved to me im not a fan boy, but i am all in the same sentence. Why would i bash my after market support and sound biased? :thinking: lol


I guess the 70-80k Apex seal fault line has nothing to do with reliability?

Holding high RPM's doesnt mean the car is reliable.

The KA is a long stroke motor, she dont like high RPM. lol chain wear i guess 240's with over 200k and the STOCK timing chain is bad?:no: i prefer the chain over the belt lol. but that is another backing up of my reliablity to KA







EIDT: i will honestly say i dont know much about rotarys, i just want to back the 240 up, in the least bias way possible.



Also, in your post about the motor is all about the owner, if you noticed i said that in my previous post as well, BUT im stating KA can take a bit more.

[man]

Who said rotaries only last 80k? My original turbo motor went out at 140k and it was because I had a busted fuel injector, the apex seals were fine.

There are just way too many misconceptions of these motors.

[Sinfix_15]

You really believe you have one of the best looking S13s? What are you trying to prove? And to whom?

what can you really say guy? its obvious i attempted to have a restored look and not a race car look... i've accomplished that.... by all means. Point out one of my short comings. All of my parts are OEM. What could i have done better to achieve a stock silvia appearance?

question is... why do you even bring my car up? you got angry? taking shots at me? what are you trying to prove? i've obviously already made the choice between 240 and rx7...

[87 Turbo II]

you just proved to me im not a fan boy, but i am all in the same sentence. Why would i bash my after market support and sound biased? :thinking: lol
I am confused, but I think you're referring to a part of my post where I got a bit insulting and out of hand.



I guess the 70-80k Apex seal fault line has nothing to do with reliability?
No one told my 230,000 mile engine it was supposed to blow up before I got my 13B swap, only FDs do that and thats because twin turbos develop a lot of pressure and heat



Holding high RPM's doesnt mean the car is reliable.
Depending on your gearing, and the track you run, it very well may be, at least for us 7 guys, the powerband is all above 5K, so we shift to keep it up there(I'll admit I don't know where the powerband is on a stock cam 240, or the shift points, so this figure might not matter.



I'm pretty sure... no wait you dont, The KA is a LONG stroke motor, she dont like high RPM. lol chain wear? lol belt<chain. i guess 240's with over 200k with the STOCK timing chain .:no:
If the Ka wasn't made to see high RPM, it shouldn't redline at 7,200 like it does, and yes, chain > belt, but the Rx-7 relies on only one belt, and it's to keep the alternator and water pump going, our timing is fixed for the life of the engine, so it doesn't creep with wear.

still trying to keep the same respect we had going earlier, these are just, based on my knowelege how I feel. And I am sorry if I started getting a little fanboy, or immature, or bashing towards the 240s, but the other guy kind of pissed me off.

[boostleak]

Who said rotaries only last 80k? My original turbo motor went out at 140k and it was because I had a busted fuel injector, the apex seals were fine.

There are just way too many misconceptions of these motors. That, is from my understanding as a "common" problem. but my KA is over 200k, and i havent changed the timing chain on it. thats reliability to me. WAIT let me add another problem with the KA , overheating! but mine has been good to me. I plan on doing a full rebuild soon though, KA-T FTW. I <3 TQ.

but honestly do you think 140k is alright for a motor? unless you beat the shit out of it?

[boostleak]

still trying to keep the same respect we had going earlier, these are just, based on my knowelege how I feel. And I am sorry if I started getting a little fanboy, or immature, or bashing towards the 240s, but the other guy kind of pissed me off.It's all good homie:goodjob:. and your right it was the FD that had that problem i was referring too that was my bad. I try to pick everyone out individually not as a whole. though it does get hard and i tend to do that, its a fault of mine. I understand your bashing to 240's. I think they are very good potential cars, it just the "people" that are getting a hold of them and giving the bad vibe making us good rare forty owners bad names. EX: DORIFTO FAN BOY.:D


i do hope the op get the Rx-7 and spread a good rep for you guys:cheers:

Hell sooner or later, i may join the club... but i want an FD, lol.

No hope for the 240s anymore(rep wise),lol. :(


For you to clock 230k on a 13b just brought a new respect from me to them. I always though they had a HORRIBLE reliability rating

[Sinfix_15]

how does this make you feel? nice sr20 sleeping in the bed that once belonged to a rotary. Taking advantage of the glorious rx7 chassis and world renoun handling ability! mmmm.... looks sexy to me. It's a shame they didnt build them this way.

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6862/p10104650ie.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

http://www.z28evans.com/album/albums/uploads/FD_RX7/normal_FD_RX7_1017.jpg

heres one that will make ur cock feel small. Look at that LS1 laying all up in your rx7's engine bay......

[Sinfix_15]

oh damn.... did he really go there? You got to tuck tail and walk away when you see this. rb26 > everything else.

http://forum.mazdabg.com/user_pics/mazda-rx7-800+hp-supra-eng2.jpg

[man]

what can you really say guy? its obvious i attempted to have a restored look and not a race car look... i've accomplished that.... by all means. Point out one of my short comings. All of my parts are OEM. What could i have done better to achieve a stock silvia appearance?

question is... why do you even bring my car up? you got angry? taking shots at me? what are you trying to prove? i've obviously already made the choice between 240 and rx7...

Angry? No, I just find it funny. Putting pictures of your car as one of the best is like walking up to a girl and saying your the best looking guy on the planet. I have no problems with your car, I think it looks alright. I'm just making the point that you're just a self-absorbed douchebag FANBOY and it's hilariously pathetic.

How does this make you feel? http://www.google.com/search?q=s13+rotary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

And this:

"Following Mazda's lead in developing rotary engines, Nissan attempted to enter the market with a rotary engine-powered Silvia, but it immediately ran into problems. Its design by Nissan was unreliable, and seeing Mazda struggle with American buyer acceptance prompted the automaker to abandon its plans and replace the rotary with a conventional engine."

My work is done here.

[87 Turbo II]

Taking advantage of the glorious rx7 chassis and world renoun handling ability!]
but it's not a common car so the car sucks at handling. I am just using your argument from earlier.......

[Sinfix_15]

Angry? No, I just find it funny. Putting pictures of your car as one of the best is like walking up to a girl and saying your the best looking guy on the planet. I have no problems with your car, I think it looks alright. I'm just making the point that you're just a self-absorbed douchebag FANBOY and it's hilariously pathetic.

.

i'm slightly confused by the logic. I like my car... obviously, or i wouldnt own it or would not have put $ into it. This makes me a fanboy?

sounds like you need a dose of confidence my son. You should want to make every girl believe you're the best looking guy on the planet... if you dont believe it yourself, how are you gonna sell it to anyone else. But that's another thread all together.

My car is assembled as the silvia was ment to be. It's in nearly perfect condition. If you dont like my car.... you dont like silvias. I have no problem saying that my car is an upper class example of a stock silvia conversion. It is what it is, dont hate.

[Sinfix_15]

but it's not a common car so the car sucks at handling. I am just using your argument from earlier.......

i have no beef with rx7s. truth be told.... rx7 is my #1 favorite car. I'm against rotary engines... and when comparing suspension, i dont see anything an rx7 can offer me than my 240 cant. Not to say that the argument doesnt go both ways.

[sidewaysS13]

the s13's hicas is crap btw.

imo the rx7 beats a 240 in every aspect except on fuel efficiency.

[man]

i'm slightly confused by the logic. I like my car... obviously, or i wouldnt own it or would not have put $ into it. This makes me a fanboy?

sounds like you need a dose of confidence my son. You should want to make every girl believe you're the best looking guy on the planet... if you dont believe it yourself, how are you gonna sell it to anyone else. But that's another thread all together.

My car is assembled as the silvia was ment to be. It's in nearly perfect condition. If you dont like my car.... you dont like silvias. I have no problem saying that my car is an upper class example of a stock silvia conversion. It is what it is, dont hate.

Everything I said went straight over your head I guess. Judging by this you wouldn't know confidence if it slapped you in the head. Here's some self-help for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

You're far too easy to read buddy.

[boostleak]

the s13's hicas is crap btw.

imo the rx7 beats a 240 in every aspect except on fuel efficiency.

You are correct, the hicas is shit! happy coupes didnt get them.

After my conversation with Turbo II i give rx7 a completely different look, and a much better understanding about them! Indeed they are amazing cars!:yes:

[Sinfix_15]

Everything I said went straight over your head I guess. Judging by this you wouldn't know confidence if it slapped you in the head. Here's some self-help for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

You're far too easy to read buddy.

lol... Dr Phil????????

[Sinfix_15]

i'd like to own another Rx7 myself. Need to get an ls1 ready.

[Echonova]

Tell me one part you can buy for the 240 that they just plain don't make for a 7 because of popularity, don't get smart with me and list engine internals.Rear seat floormats.

[jdm_crx_man]

i like 240's but fd3s's are sooo sexy

[thegovanator]

Echonova- not true. GXL 2+2's had rear seats and if you go to Mazdatrix you can definatly get the floor mats for the rear

[G'd[UP]]

I.A. is awesome!!!! ahahahah

[Echonova]

Echonova- not true. GXL 2+2's had rear seats and if you go to Mazdatrix you can definatly get the floor mats for the rearDid Mazda ever sell a 2+2? If they did, who in their right mind would buy it?


But ok. I'd forgotten about that one.

[Echonova]

Hmmmm......

Wingless trunk?.. No you had the 'vert...

5-lug swap??... No, 7's do that to...

Squash air freshener??... Nope, that's so JDM anybody can do it.

Guess there's not much difference 'cept the engine.

[MSP1660]

Thank you guys. This has been the most entertaining read I've ever seen.

Coming from the world of Mazda, I actually like the 240's. I do think they are somewhat overrated. I think it might be clear to see that 240's and Rotaries are pretty equal. Both have ups, both have downs. Every car has it's issues.

To the OP... did you realize it would come to this in less than like a week? Kudos to you.

[boostleak]

Thank you guys. This has been the most entertaining read I've ever seen.

Coming from the world of Mazda, I actually like the 240's. I do think they are somewhat overrated. I think it might be clear to see that 240's and Rotaries are pretty equal. Both have ups, both have downs. Every car has it's issues.

To the OP... did you realize it would come to this in less than like a week? Kudos to you.


Thank you guys. This has been the most entertaining/INFORMATIONAL read I've ever seen.

We try


Every car has it's issues.

That is one of the most sensible post i have ever read on IA.
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I have noticed more people accept and like the civic, more then they do the 240, and correct me if im wrong but tthere are more civics then 240's.

Yes, to uneducated people its a common car of choice to drift. The 240 epically the S13 is not a car meant to be drifted on stock form. They have horrible snap steer/under steer(s13).

I, feel people give the 240, a bad rep that it doesn't deserve. Especially the motor!

It's sad when i can go to a gas station in my bone stock s13 (other then rims) and someone next too me in a truck/anything looks over, and says," Hey man nice ride! Do you go drift?!?" They say it just like that Drift?!? not "DRIFTING".

[eraser4g63]

I've said it multiple times now and I will stress it one more time. To the OP- Test drive both and then decide. I bought my RX-7 on a whim and I regretted it for about 7 months. Because of this I have more money in my car than any sane person should. At this time I would not trade my FC for the world. I have owned a 240sx ( w/ and SR swap before every one an there brother had one) and now I have an FC. I can tell you I personally like my FC more. both cars have their highs and lows as with any car, the only way you will ever be able to tell which one you will like more is to get behind the wheel of them.

[87 Turbo II]

OP, if you want to drive a first gen, feel free to PM me and set up a time, but if you're like most, you'll like the 2nd gen better, but that's a whole 'nother comparison.

[Shadow102]

He drove my vert today...looks like later on this weekend we will be swapping the cars

[G'd[UP]]

Yea thanks guys, i went a drove the one i was lookin at getting(shadow_102's car) and absolutley loved it!! so im goin with the rx7 and again thanks for all of your opinions, this has been a very technical thread especially for I.A.

[eraser4g63]

Its a nice car for sure, i showed my wife it ( she wants a toy ) and said we could not have two fcs in the same house it would bankrupt us.

[boostleak]

"]Yea thanks guys, i went a drove the one i was lookin at getting(shadow_102's car) and absolutley loved it!! so im goin with the rx7 and again thanks for all of your opinions, this has been a very technical thread especially for I.A. Congrats! I hope you enjoy every second of it! :cheers:

[eraser4g63]

So now can the RX-7 and 240sx community sign a peace treaty? lol

[haynbtu]

240 i think would be better cause i have one and u should join the club. lol

[Sinfix_15]

So now can the RX-7 and 240sx community sign a peace treaty? lol

for now............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........................

[Cameron.]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2568/3734768536_207d2bb034_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3464/3733971333_dccfd6d097_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2624/3738818872_d131b5fd9a_o.jpg

http://86fighters.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/dsc_2251.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2576/3738820970_7c06a3fd69_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/3738817546_87c15a0739_o.jpg

http://wendycainphotography.com/beeoneoneoh/csgarage/_MG_2253.jpg

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/csgarage415/_MG_3257.jpg

http://www.wendycainphotography.com/beeoneoneoh/csgarage/_MG_2188.jpg

and a couple of our own...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2468/3849825980_e84d1ab2ab_b.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/Treefish/240sx/Build/034.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3399/3499987632_5761d6d389_o.jpg

jus sayin...

[Sinfix_15]

i agree.... fight on!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/driverchris/rx7_mazda.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4644/74073745qf3.jpg


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o219/doridave/100_2387.jpg

[MSP1660]

I just can't help but think that 240 are good for nothing more than drifting. That's the main reason I wouldn't get one. I wouldn't want EVERYONE asking me "Hey man, you drift?"

[MSP1660]

Congrats to Shadow too! Looks like a win-win.

[boostleak]

So now can the RX-7 and 240sx community sign a peace treaty? lol

haha!


*frist*

1.Boostleak

[Sinfix_15]

i dont drift.

[boostleak]

i dont drift.
Neither does Echo.. i dont think his point was to assume EVERY 240 drifts, but in terms as a reply to my post about how most "ignorant" people assume that about all of them. I tend to not care about if they assume i drift or not. I drive the car because i fuggen love it and that's good enough for me... just like my sig i live by that.

[eraser4g63]

To fight fire w/ fire....
http://www.car-accidents.com/2007-crash-pics/3-21-07-nissan-1.gif
http://128.32.250.16/trev/images/7_28_02/xls/crash240sx.jpg
Parallel parking...
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/whatnow007/insurancepictures002.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee2/xdisaster240sx/1126282603.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee2/xdisaster240sx/1144412890-2631.jpg

[Echonova]

Neither does Echo.. i dont think his point was to assume EVERY 240 drifts, but in terms as a reply to my post about how most "ignorant" people assume that about all of them. I tend to not care about if they assume i drift or not. I drive the car because i fuggen love it and that's good enough for me... just like my sig i live by that.WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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[Echonova]

Drifting is a scourge that hurts us all.

[whatever210]

drifting is an excuse for not having a fast car lol

[jorgen]

RX-7 or a 240?
Well, you really can't go wrong with either.
But I don't trust that rotary bullshit.

[whatever210]

RX-7 or a 240?
Well, you really can't go wrong with either.
But I don't trust that rotary bullshit.
pistons ftw

[87 Turbo II]

pistons ftw
-I'd be pissed off if I was running pissed ons.

-I'd rather be wanking than stroking.

-I told my doctor that my life was boring, so he gave me 1,308ccs of pure adrenalin and now my head spinning.

All of those funny little sayings aside, I agree there are far more great piston engines out there than rotaries, but I just have mad love for my rotary, the way they work, the way they put down power, and the way a car with one drives. It's like nothing else, for better and for worse.

[Shadow102]

RX-7 or a 240?
Well, you really can't go wrong with either.
But I'm too afraid of that rotary bullshit.

Fixed

[G'd[UP]]

lol at shadow102.

[Echonova]

Rotary engines have been proven to have Voodoo magic inside, and can you really trust Haitian Voodoo?


I think the choice is clear.

[HillClimbGuy]

well if they are both na the FC is a better start (5 lug, 4 piston brakes, lsd ECT) unless you want to get beat by a over wieght guy on a moped.

but one downside is that for us FC guys parts are hard as fuck to find with Super Junk yards like maz-mart (what a joke:lmfao: :lmfao: ) and local guys that buy up every rx7 part to sell it at a high price (Rx7 Restorations:2up: ). getting simple parts quickly becomes a chore.

so both worlds are alot alike, poeple think both are wroth gold even if it is beat up as f*$k. but their as also many great poeple that drive both 240's and FC's


so pick your posion, either way your wallet will pay the price



just my two cents

[5speed]

Unless you get an FD which sounds like you don't have that much money then go for the 240sx if you are over 6ft. Im just over 6-1 and my knees bang up on the steering wheel on the FC. Both cars are moneypits but 240sx is the way to go.