Wanted you guys to see this.

[SmackedInATL]

I posted this in the video section, but damn, check this out.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e55_1250787987 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e55_1250787987)

[NevrNufTorq]

wow, dont know why he had to keep kicking him after he had already beat his a$$ but i can understand it's hard to stop in a fight was adrenaline kicks in....the biggest questionis why didnt the other guys stop it before the kicks in the head at the end :2cents:

[SmackedInATL]

wow, dont know why he had to keep kicking him after he had already beat his a$$ but i can understand it's hard to stop in a fight was adrenaline kicks in....the biggest questionis why didnt the other guys stop it before the kicks in the head at the end :2cents:

Understand your point about hard to stop but those martial arts masters are supposed to have discipline. Just looked like a dojo of thugs to me.

[oleblue]

That is awful, the guy who did that to him needs to be done the same way but much worse. That was fucked up......

[NevrNufTorq]

Understand your point about hard to stop but those martial arts masters are supposed to have discipline. Just looked like a dojo of thugs to me.
i'm not anymorebut was once a highly trained fighter, it's hard to stop once you get going, just as simple as it gets w/o getting into the phsycology behind it....that's why pro fights have refs. they call it off to save the other opponent losing the fight.

let me put it this way, how many guys you ever seen stop fighting someone???? doesnt it usually end when someone or something seperates the two involved? like i said, just my :2cents:

[SmackedInATL]

i'm not anymorebut was once a highly trained fighter, it's hard to stop once you get going, just as simple as it gets w/o getting into the phsycology behind it....that's why pro fights have refs. they call it off to save the other opponent losing the fight.

let me put it this way, how many guys you ever seen stop fighting someone???? doesnt it usually end when someone or something seperates the two involved? like i said, just my :2cents:

Totally agree. Shit was just awful though.

[oleblue]

Looked like that guy would get his ass whoped if he jumped on someone with there mind right. Fuckin pussy to do that to someone like that. That shit done got me pissed off.....

[NevrNufTorq]

Totally agree. Shit was just awful though.
oh yeah, not arguing right or wrong at all, just what i saw :goodjob:

[Sinfix_15]

wow..... i dont even know what to say about this. What disgraceful human beings.

[Sinfix_15]

i'm not anymorebut was once a highly trained fighter, it's hard to stop once you get going, just as simple as it gets w/o getting into the phsycology behind it....that's why pro fights have refs. they call it off to save the other opponent losing the fight.

let me put it this way, how many guys you ever seen stop fighting someone???? doesnt it usually end when someone or something seperates the two involved? like i said, just my :2cents:

This wasnt a fight. It was a bunch of thugs making a mockery of someone for a demonstration. Continueing to fight when someone verbally submits, quits, walks away.... or is laying on the ground unconscious is not adrenaline. It's a criminal act. Throwing an extra punch or two is adrenaline. This guy tried to inflict the most damage he possibly could to a helpless person. I would not have watched this happen.

define "highly trained"

[David88vert]

Let's see, he walked into their dojo of his own accord, was calm and collected enough to take time to make his claims, and fought on his own. No one forced him into that situation. Looks like he expected to walk into their dojo, pick a target, show off, and beat up one of the students. I'm not surprised by the outcome at all.
He didn't seem too mentally challenged, just plain ignorant.

It not a criminal act if someone comes inside your place with the purpose of attacking. He just picked the wrong place. As long as you don't stop and restart, it is legally self-defense.

[Sinfix_15]

Let's see, he walked into their dojo of his own accord, was calm and collected enough to take time to make his claims, and fought on his own. No one forced him into that situation. Looks like he expected to walk into their dojo, pick a target, show off, and beat up one of the students. I'm not surprised by the outcome at all.
He didn't seem too mentally challenged, just plain ignorant.

It not a criminal act if someone comes inside your place with the purpose of attacking. He just picked the wrong place. As long as you don't stop and restart, it is legally self-defense.

its a normal occurance for people to walk in off the street into a gym and think theyre the worlds biggest bad ass. It happens in gyms everywhere. There's no excuse for stomping on the head of an unconcious man who doesnt want to fight. If you think this is a propper representation of martial arts then you are a mindless idiot. I've witnessed this same thing several times over and it never resulted in someone being left behind a dumpster.

[David88vert]

its a normal occurance for people to walk in off the street into a gym and think theyre the worlds biggest bad ass. It happens in gyms everywhere. There's no excuse for stomping on the head of an unconcious man who doesnt want to fight. If you think this is a propper representation of martial arts then you are a mindless idiot. I've witnessed this same thing several times over and it never resulted in someone being left behind a dumpster.

Really, that's a normal occurence? Funny, in all of my years in multiple dojos, I've never had that happen once. Guess, I'm just lucky. Of course, I'm not the world's biggest bad-ass either.

I never said that this is proper representation of martial arts. Don't try to put words in my mouth. I'm simply not surprised that it happened - remember, this was back in 1984. A proper dojo would never have let it start to begin with - but not all dojos are like that in reality. If you've seen this multiple times, then it seems you are in the wrong dojos.





BTW -
Meat Hat over at Something Awful wrote...
"My ex has met Bobby Joe Blythe and another guy who was present, though not on camera, during the beating. Blyth and my ex's friend both studied Karate under the same teacher. Apparently he has a long history of trying to act tough, which includes stints in jail for assault and transporting cocaine (unless he was just claiming that to seem like a badass). He's been showing the video to people for years and does claim the victim lived after spending the night in the dumpster. Similar situations occurred at the school before and after that particular beating, apparently Blythe's method of trying out bodyguards was to have them sign a waiver then try to defend themselves while one of his black belts kicked the shit out of them. I'm trying to pry more info out of my ex, and I'm disappointed he and his buddies never said anything to the authorities about the tard beater. A big part of why he's my ex is his habit of associating with the absolute dregs of society.
Oh yeah, if anyone's interested, the victim supposedly ended up at the Western State Mental Hospital in Staunton, VA after the assault."


If that is true, the guy did not die. Big if, of course, and of course, none of us have any personal knowledge of it. Just heresay, so do not take it as gospel.

[NevrNufTorq]

This wasnt a fight. It was a bunch of thugs making a mockery of someone for a demonstration. Continueing to fight when someone verbally submits, quits, walks away.... or is laying on the ground unconscious is not adrenaline. It's a criminal act. Throwing an extra punch or two is adrenaline. This guy tried to inflict the most damage he possibly could to a helpless person. I would not have watched this happen.

define "highly trained"

let's just say i fought a more than a few amatuer(sp?) mma fights for 5 or 6 years. never good enough to go pro but i was good enough and trained with the right people. :goodjob: made a good living doing it and went around alot of police and sherriff's offices training and/or helping to train in hand to hand and self defense. my fav were the college courses for the ladies teaching personal self defense ;) but a bad car wreck on my way back from CO snowboarding put an end to that part of my life. it was fun and enjoyable, but like everything in life, it had it's time :D

[David88vert]

If you want a LONG read, they have a big thread on it over at Bullshido.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88535

Interestingly, in the thread, they seem to have some information from that local PD tha the guy lived and walked away. If so, the statue of limitations ran out many years ago.

[Sinfix_15]

let's just say i fought a more than a few amatuer(sp?) mma fights for 5 or 6 years. never good enough to go pro but i was good enough and trained with the right people. :goodjob: but a bad car wreck on my way back from CO snowboarding put an end to that part of my life. it was fun and enjoyable, but like everything in life, it had it's time :D

amatuer fighting does not constitute "highly trained". Especially if you're referring to a past time of yours. Amatuer MMA has just recently reached a skill level beyond bar fighting. Also, a 6 year amatuer career wouldnt give me the impression of a highly trained individual either. The only qualification for going pro is acceptance of the rule changes. No need to be so vague... where did you train? fight?

[Sinfix_15]

Really, that's a normal occurence? Funny, in all of my years in multiple dojos, I've never had that happen once. Guess, I'm just lucky. Of course, I'm not the world's biggest bad-ass either.

I never said that this is proper representation of martial arts. Don't try to put words in my mouth. I'm simply not surprised that it happened - remember, this was back in 1984. A proper dojo would never have let it start to begin with - but not all dojos are like that in reality. If you've seen this multiple times, then it seems you are in the wrong dojos.


I've seen people walk into a gym thinking theyre the worlds biggest badass many times. It never resulted in a fight. You can train martial arts without the need of proving it to every person you come in contact with. are you not from georgia? every GI that walks into a gym expects to handle every person inside of it day 1. They usually get rolled up by an amatuer level student, laugh at off and sign up. No heads ever get stomped, no bloody bodies ever get dumped behind a dumpster.

[Lankhoss]

Alright, here's the thing.

Martial Arts, contrary to popular belief, are NOT there for the purpose of beating the hell out of someone. Martial Arts are about self control, discipline, and self defense when needed. A Martial Arts dojo is a place for people to learn these skills, and an all out 100% bare-fisted fight doesn't belong there.

I am about to butcher the hell out of some words here, but hopefully you can follow. I had a friend who took Ishinryu karate. The only time people went toe to toe, was for sparring purposes. Basically a situation where they could use what they learned from their kadas. The people wore head gear, gloves, and foot pads. The "fight" was always broken and restarted when contact was made. The guys didn't throw punches or kicks nearly as hard as they were capable of, just hard enough to maintain form. He also studied Jiujitsu. He said that guys from Tae Kwon Do dojos would always come in acting like Billy Badass, and would brag about how people would get their ribs and noses broken where he trained. It was always funny watching those guys come in, then get choked out in 15 seconds on the mat. Anyway, my friend said it was always the Kung Fu and/or Tae Kwon Do guys who would just beat the hell out of each other to the point of injury during class. Just seems brutal, uncalled for, low class, and completely against everything that a dojo is designed for.

[NevrNufTorq]

amatuer fighting does not constitute "highly trained". Especially if you're referring to a past time of yours. Amatuer MMA has just recently reached a skill level beyond bar fighting. Also, a 6 year amatuer career wouldnt give me the impression of a highly trained individual either. The only qualification for going pro is acceptance of the rule changes. No need to be so vague... where did you train? fight?
the old vortex downtown and various gyms and dojo's out on the westside. so i know nothing b/c i cant do it anymore???? :???:

i started taking wrestling at age 6, moved into karate at 11. then went to training on other forms, got big into it in college at the citadel when i was boxing and wrestling in intramural sports during football offseason from '91-'94. not a bada$$, never said i was, but i've had more than my fair shair of training as well as military thru marine rotc.

just trying to figure out where you're going with this???? aaron posted up this, i gave my opinion. now you tell me i'm nothing and i know nothing. it's my opinion, if you dont like it, get over yourself. :2cents:

[whatever210]

ooooooollllllllldddd.

[David88vert]

I've seen people walk into a gym thinking theyre the worlds biggest badass many times. It never resulted in a fight. You can train martial arts without the need of proving it to every person you come in contact with. are you not from georgia? every GI that walks into a gym expects to handle every person inside of it day 1. They usually get rolled up by an amatuer level student, laugh at off and sign up. No heads ever get stomped, no bloody bodies ever get dumped behind a dumpster.

I've never seen anyone, including a GI or Marine Recon, that would walk in off the street into a dojo and pick a fight. Every single one that I have met has been very respectful, and came to learn if they chose to enter. The vast majority of dojos here in Atlanta would not allow this type of behavior in our current point in time - except maybe MMA (my speculation). Back in 1984, the attitude was different, so it might have been more likely back then. I was only 12 then, so obviously, I wouldn't have seen it back then.

I was born and raised in GA.

Like I've said, I agree that the situation should not have happened, but I'm not surprised. He came to them and entered their place. They didn't chase around after him or drag him in. He had plenty of opportunity to walk back out that door before it started. If someone came into your house and started with you, can you guarantee that you wouldn't lose it and keep punching?

[whatever210]

i think this thread should locked. this doesnt have any thing to do with the kills forum sec. there is a vid sec for this

[MachNU]

Let's see, he walked into their dojo of his own accord, was calm and collected enough to take time to make his claims, and fought on his own. No one forced him into that situation. Looks like he expected to walk into their dojo, pick a target, show off, and beat up one of the students. I'm not surprised by the outcome at all.
He didn't seem too mentally challenged, just plain ignorant.

It not a criminal act if someone comes inside your place with the purpose of attacking. He just picked the wrong place. As long as you don't stop and restart, it is legally self-defense.

Wrong. What was on that video was in every way criminal. There have been many cases over the years where people went to jail over fights for use of Exsessive Force. Someone who is a trained Marine AND a black belt in Karate, is a highly trained weapon. That video shows someone who was either handicap, or under the influence. THey should have never had him in a fight in the first place. Even more so when right before he put him on the ground the guy yeilded to him, and admitted defeat. Past there it was pure murder, IF the guy did live!

[kang]

We need to find Anderson Silva, have him act like a retard, and send him in.

Hilarity should ensue.

On a serious note though everyone who feels sorry for this guy are fools. Do all you not understand? He got his promotion from Jesus and that brings a whole new skillset into the dojo. He was probably only halfway through his technique. i.e. he deliberately died in the dojo so he could return to life a couple of days later and finish the marine off when he was least expecting it.

fucking cunning strategy in my opinion.

I mean, imagine how unprepared you would be for a "monkey steals peach" attack from a guy you thought you'd already killed.

(of course, there's a chance that he would serve him with a vicious forgiving instead)

[kang]

Also if some of you guys are over-come with rage and want to do something -here...


Bobby Joe Blythe

Address:
989 Robin Court
Hanford, CA 93230

Home: 559-584-9315
Fax: 559-584-2005
Cell: 559-381-3617





Any badasses in the area?

[Sinfix_15]

the old vortex downtown and various gyms and dojo's out on the westside. so i know nothing b/c i cant do it anymore???? :???:

i started taking wrestling at age 6, moved into karate at 11. then went to training on other forms, got big into it in college at the citadel when i was boxing and wrestling in intramural sports during football offseason from '91-'94. not a bada$$, never said i was, but i've had more than my fair shair of training as well as military thru marine rotc.

just trying to figure out where you're going with this???? aaron posted up this, i gave my opinion. now you tell me i'm nothing and i know nothing. it's my opinion, if you dont like it, get over yourself. :2cents:

na, you took it the wrong way. i respect anyone who competes at any level, but being an amatuer level martial artist myself... "highly trained fighter" is not an adjective i've often heard to describe an amatuer. Amatuer martial arts competitions are not designed for "highly trained fighters". Amatuer MMA is a "get your feet wet environment" that is open to anyone at any skill level.
People are often more fond of the entitlement that comes with training than they are their abilities. Call yourself a "highly trained fighter" to entertain or impress a female.... go along with your realtives introducing you as someone who does "ultimate fighting"... all good for laughs, but you're on a forum full of egotistical men, who i would assume given the popularity of MMA today are more than familular with it and "highly trained fighter" should carry more credentials than amatuer experience from the dark days.

[Sinfix_15]

Like I've said, I agree that the situation should not have happened, but I'm not surprised. He came to them and entered their place. They didn't chase around after him or drag him in. He had plenty of opportunity to walk back out that door before it started. If someone came into your house and started with you, can you guarantee that you wouldn't lose it and keep punching?

This guy didnt agree to fight, he was saying how he didnt want to fight and the other guy tried to kick him in the nuts.... they obviously instigated a fight. I wonder what would have happened if the guy off the street started stomping the head of the dojo instructor???...

If someone came into my house i would shoot them. When it comes to protecting myself or family, i have more trust in glock than i do my fighting abilities... but no, i would not have a problem stopping in this situation. If someone continued fighting in that manner in a modern MMA gym... they would have probably got their asses kicked... i cant even imagine the reaction to such a disgraceful act.

i showed this video to a few of my friends and they all shared the same disgusted reaction. People's association of violence and martial arts annoys me. There's a difference between competition and stomping an unconscious human being.

[NevrNufTorq]

na, you took it the wrong way. i respect anyone who competes at any level, but being an amatuer level martial artist myself... "highly trained fighter" is not an adjective i've often heard to describe an amatuer. Amatuer martial arts competitions are not designed for "highly trained fighters". Amatuer MMA is a "get your feet wet environment" that is open to anyone at any skill level.
People are often more fond of the entitlement that comes with training than they are their abilities. Call yourself a "highly trained fighter" to entertain or impress a female.... go along with your realtives introducing you as someone who does "ultimate fighting"... all good for laughs, but you're on a forum full of egotistical men, who i would assume given the popularity of MMA today are more than familular with it and "highly trained fighter" should carry more credentials than amatuer experience from the dark days.
:goodjob: gotcha. sorry for the confusion. funny how if we were talking in person i would've known this but in writing it leaves alot to interpretation ;)

which is also why i said highly trained. think about it, most coaches and instructors may never have fought at all but are highly trained and can make other people better. but i know you've seen it, of the .00001% of the population that can fight there is a whole nother 100% of rankings for them. :yes:

[SmackedInATL]

i think this thread should locked. this doesnt have any thing to do with the kills forum sec. there is a vid sec for this

Sorry man. This is off-topic. This thread isn't out of hand.

[David88vert]

Wrong. What was on that video was in every way criminal. There have been many cases over the years where people went to jail over fights for use of Exsessive Force. Someone who is a trained Marine AND a black belt in Karate, is a highly trained weapon. That video shows someone who was either handicap, or under the influence. THey should have never had him in a fight in the first place. Even more so when right before he put him on the ground the guy yeilded to him, and admitted defeat. Past there it was pure murder, IF the guy did live!

Incorrect. KFG entered their place of business - legally, they are in the defensive position. Secondly, BJB specifically asked him if he was a master and what degree belt he had. This was calculated to make certain that he was legally covered by 1984 VA law regarding excessive force. Basically, BJB had KFG establish that he was trained. WD then was only exercising self defense at that point legally.
In this case, a jury would have a hard time pinpointing a spot where WD stopped prior to being pushed back by his fellow students. Just because the other person stops fighting back does not mean that your right to self defense has been terminated. If a person uses a weapon at you, and then lowers it and says I don't want to fight anymore, you have no legal obligation to stop.

The simple facts are this:
If KFG lived, then the statue of limitations are already up, and this video cannot be used to prosecute the individuals involved.
If KFG died as a result of the injuries in this video, the prosecution will have to:
1) Identify the real identify of KFG.
2) Discover the actual body of KFG.
3) Identify the actual time and cause of death through forensic analysis.
4) Discover if KFG had any prior martial arts training and mental health history.
5) Establish that BJB and the others in the dojo had training in recognizing mental health issues.
6) Etc. (too many more things to write)

Get the point? Whether or not they should have done it is a moot point. The fact is that it is likely that they will get away with it. People can be upset, but this country has laws that we are governed by. Unfortunatley, someone MAY have died, but he walked into that dojo with the intention of showing off, and then did not walk away when the situation started to escalate.

[David88vert]

This guy didnt agree to fight, he was saying how he didnt want to fight and the other guy tried to kick him in the nuts.... they obviously instigated a fight. I wonder what would have happened if the guy off the street started stomping the head of the dojo instructor???...

If someone came into my house i would shoot them. When it comes to protecting myself or family, i have more trust in glock than i do my fighting abilities... but no, i would not have a problem stopping in this situation. If someone continued fighting in that manner in a modern MMA gym... they would have probably got their asses kicked... i cant even imagine the reaction to such a disgraceful act.

i showed this video to a few of my friends and they all shared the same disgusted reaction. People's association of violence and martial arts annoys me. There's a difference between competition and stomping an unconscious human being.

Incorrect. See prior post. He was the aggressor - legally. He entered their dojo with the intention of proving he was better than them.

Should it have happened? No, of course not, we've established that already.

[MachNU]

Incorrect. KFG entered their place of business - legally, they are in the defensive position. Secondly, BJB specifically asked him if he was a master and what degree belt he had. This was calculated to make certain that he was legally covered by 1984 VA law regarding excessive force. Basically, BJB had KFG establish that he was trained. WD then was only exercising self defense at that point legally.
In this case, a jury would have a hard time pinpointing a spot where WD stopped prior to being pushed back by his fellow students. Just because the other person stops fighting back does not mean that your right to self defense has been terminated. If a person uses a weapon at you, and then lowers it and says I don't want to fight anymore, you have no legal obligation to stop.

The simple facts are this:
If KFG lived, then the statue of limitations are already up, and this video cannot be used to prosecute the individuals involved.
If KFG died as a result of the injuries in this video, the prosecution will have to:
1) Identify the real identify of KFG.
2) Discover the actual body of KFG.
3) Identify the actual time and cause of death through forensic analysis.
4) Discover if KFG had any prior martial arts training and mental health history.
5) Establish that BJB and the others in the dojo had training in recognizing mental health issues.
6) Etc. (too many more things to write)

Get the point? Whether or not they should have done it is a moot point. The fact is that it is likely that they will get away with it. People can be upset, but this country has laws that we are governed by. Unfortunatley, someone MAY have died, but he walked into that dojo with the intention of showing off, and then did not walk away when the situation started to escalate.

Again very very wrong. This guy had ZERO argument to self-defense...and why is that you ask? Because his life was not in any immediate danger! That black belt was not in fear for his life. Watching that video, shows from the whole time that he had the upper hand. He also had 10 people there on his side! Therefore that fight consisted of 11v1. So grounds for self defense is already out the window. The one guy was obviously crazy or under the influence. So the black belt had the upper hand from the beginning. Was a trained Marine and Karate Expert. Also the video shows the guy saying and motioning to stop. You can clearly hear him saying "Stop, you are good!" Past there it was Aggravated Assault, with possible Malice and Intent to Kill. If the guy killed him when he stomped on his head thats purely Manslaughter in the Second Degree.

[oleblue]

That shit should not have happened PERIOD.......He was not the aggressor I heard him say that he did not wont to fight before anything ever started that he just wanted to show what he knew. You could tell that he was not all there by the things he was saying so why even do that to someone like that anyway.

[WTF?]

thats just fucked up, being that he was a marine and a black belt he should of had better control of himself period.

[Ronsam2006]

We need to find Anderson Silva, have him act like a retard, and send him in.

Hilarity should ensue.

On a serious note though everyone who feels sorry for this guy are fools. Do all you not understand? He got his promotion from Jesus and that brings a whole new skillset into the dojo. He was probably only halfway through his technique. i.e. he deliberately died in the dojo so he could return to life a couple of days later and finish the marine off when he was least expecting it.

fucking cunning strategy in my opinion.

I mean, imagine how unprepared you would be for a "monkey steals peach" attack from a guy you thought you'd already killed.

(of course, there's a chance that he would serve him with a vicious forgiving instead)
LOL! Anderson Silva would kill this guy.I can't believe that dojo master stomped that poor guy out. Sure he went in there to fight, but not to die or be stomped on. The bitches on the side didn't want to stop it either. I wish I could fight that dojo master and fuck his world up.

[Camrazy2102]

WOw! that was brutal...the fight should have been stopped long time ago.

[onebadgt]

there was a fight like this on barret pkway a few years ago in the walmart parking lot. a guy got knocked out and then got his head stomped 3-4 times on the pavement before the aggressor was stopped. its was the ugliest fight i had seen. there were like 75 people and everyone scattered. the guy bn kicked went into seizures like a fish out of water

[Sinfix_15]

Incorrect. See prior post. He was the aggressor - legally. He entered their dojo with the intention of proving he was better than them.

Should it have happened? No, of course not, we've established that already.

walking into a martial arts dojo is not a threat. Challenging someone inside a martial arts dojo is not a threat. There's a difference between fighting, violence and martial arts... thats what you do not seem to understand. Martial arts is not fighting..... training, sparring, demostrating is not threatening someone. There is no grounds for self defense when you're not being attacked. The instructor instigated the fight by throwing the first punch, not stopping when someone verbally submitted and not stopping after the man was unconscious. This was a crime... not defense. Why did a marine with a karate black belt need protection from 1 man when he was standing in a room full of his peers. So the use of potentially fatal blows in front of a camera and an audience was justified means of self defense? Self defense does not exrpress the freedom of offensive action. If you honestly find something like this acceptable, you're probably a low life piece of shit.

[Ronsam2006]

there was a fight like this on barret pkway a few years ago in the walmart parking lot. a guy got knocked out and then got his head stomped 3-4 times on the pavement before the aggressor was stopped. its was the ugliest fight i had seen. there were like 75 people and everyone scattered. the guy bn kicked went into seizures like a fish out of water
Yeah, I have seen someone get knee'd in the head a few times in a clinch and fall down into seizures and breathing hard. I wish I could get all the people like that dojo master who keeps inflicting damage after the opponent is downed and giving up, and just beat their fucking ass into oblivion.

[NEMO]

i think this thread should locked. this doesnt have any thing to do with the kills forum sec. there is a vid sec for thisnow you know smacked will not lock it :doh: . he created this thread

[HypnoToad]

Again very very wrong. This guy had ZERO argument to self-defense...and why is that you ask? Because his life was not in any immediate danger! That black belt was not in fear for his life. Watching that video, shows from the whole time that he had the upper hand. He also had 10 people there on his side! Therefore that fight consisted of 11v1. So grounds for self defense is already out the window. The one guy was obviously crazy or under the influence. So the black belt had the upper hand from the beginning. Was a trained Marine and Karate Expert. Also the video shows the guy saying and motioning to stop. You can clearly hear him saying "Stop, you are good!" Past there it was Aggravated Assault, with possible Malice and Intent to Kill. If the guy killed him when he stomped on his head thats purely Manslaughter in the Second Degree.

yea,i think if these people were trained and so forth,they should have no problem stopping the man with a hold or something and calling the cops.

not curb stomping the guy.

[Turbodude06]

Wrong. What was on that video was in every way criminal. There have been many cases over the years where people went to jail over fights for use of Exsessive Force. Someone who is a trained Marine AND a black belt in Karate, is a highly trained weapon. That video shows someone who was either handicap, or under the influence. THey should have never had him in a fight in the first place. Even more so when right before he put him on the ground the guy yeilded to him, and admitted defeat. Past there it was pure murder, IF the guy did live!

^ yea that guys not a fighter, he's a murderer.... I could have went without seeing that, makes me pissed off.....

[David88vert]

Again very very wrong. This guy had ZERO argument to self-defense...and why is that you ask? Because his life was not in any immediate danger! That black belt was not in fear for his life. Watching that video, shows from the whole time that he had the upper hand. He also had 10 people there on his side! Therefore that fight consisted of 11v1. So grounds for self defense is already out the window. The one guy was obviously crazy or under the influence. So the black belt had the upper hand from the beginning. Was a trained Marine and Karate Expert. Also the video shows the guy saying and motioning to stop. You can clearly hear him saying "Stop, you are good!" Past there it was Aggravated Assault, with possible Malice and Intent to Kill. If the guy killed him when he stomped on his head thats purely Manslaughter in the Second Degree.

You do not seem to understand the legal system. They would have to follow the laws of VA from 1984 back then to charge him, and WD and BJB would have not been convicted under the law. Doesn't make it right, just technically legal.

[MachNU]

You do not seem to understand the legal system. They would have to follow the laws of VA from 1984 back then to charge him, and WD and BJB would have not been convicted under the law. Doesn't make it right, just technically legal.

I take it your referring to by VA from 1984 to actual 1983 Civil Rights: Excessive Force & Quailified Immunity? If so that only pretains to Police Officers and the use of excessive force when arresting, subdoeing, and protecting ones self in the face of life threatening danger. No matter which way you argue it, each person in that video would be able to be prosecuted!

[David88vert]

I take it your referring to by VA from 1984 to actual 1983 Civil Rights: Excessive Force & Quailified Immunity? If so that only pretains to Police Officers and the use of excessive force when arresting, subdoeing, and protecting ones self in the face of life threatening danger. No matter which way you argue it, each person in that video would be able to be prosecuted!

No, not referring to EFQI - just VA state code.

For a prosecution of murder to take place, they will have to know who KFG's real identity is/was, then show PROOF he actually died from that particular head trauma. Without that, they could only try to charge them with felony assault.

BTW - I have found that Virginia's state laws WILL let them choose to charge them, as long as they can get enough evidence to prove the incident happened in VA. VA's current statue of limitations is retroactive. NVCV has all of that data listed.


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Here is a video of BJB that you will like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRVBi4w-8kY
Who in their right mind would have ever gone to this place to train?

[MachNU]

No, not referring to EFQI - just VA state code.

For a prosecution of murder to take place, they will have to know who KFG's real identity is/was, then show PROOF he actually died from that particular head trauma. Without that, they could only try to charge them with felony assault.

BTW - I have found that Virginia's state laws WILL let them choose to charge them, as long as they can get enough evidence to prove the incident happened in VA. VA's current statue of limitations is retroactive. NVCV has all of that data listed.


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Here is a video of BJB that you will like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRVBi4w-8kY
Who in their right mind would have ever gone to this place to train?

Which is funny because the 1983 Civil Rights act I listed came out of Virginia! Thats why I was saying these guys would go to jail for Assault with Malice Intent to Kill, if he did not die, or Manslaughter in the Second Degree if he did die!

[Stol3n]

the instructor as well as the student are fully to blame. in the beginning of the video you can plainly hear the victim state and i quote "well i don't want to demonstrate on him, i will demonstrate around him". the victim then follows up this by saying "you can just stand here do not make any movement what so ever, i will not touch you". and lastly "do you feel threatened, i just wished to teach you, i do not wish to hurt you". the victim then starts demonstrating that you must watch the wands and the feet, and then the student comes forwards with assault. the student instigated the fight, the victim defended himself, the instructor allowed the incident to continue. where's the confusion? even after the victim verbally stated "stop, you are good" he continues to be assaulted. it has caught the eyes of mass media and investigations have been started from what i gather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObjWdQBeA4

also, if the fight was over and they "drug" this guy outside why in the hell is there blood on the back door about head high? further assault off camera maybe?

[btstone]

yeah, i watched this and began to get pissed off. i agree with what stol3n has stated. the man clearly stated "you are good" or " you got it" trying to end it. the other guy continued to beat and stomp on his head like 2 times. that is tasteless and stupid. he is not a man to me. i would spit on his bitch ass if i seen him. the rest of the assholes in the video should have stepped in to stop this.

[SX-MAN]

everyone in the dojo should get murder 2 and the guys that took him outside should get murder 1 also cause they planned it. WTF how does blood get that far up on the door ...... they wanted to make sure the job was done......

[stillaneon]

He wasn;t fairing too bad at the beginning. just didn;t have the endurance to keep up. That is some bullshit though

[David88vert]

The original news report:
http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/1984_beating_video_hits_internet/41980/

Key item to note:
“Everybody seems to remember this place and everybody seems to remember Bobby Joe Blythe, but nobody can seem to remember who took the lead on the case or whether it was ever investigated,” said Dumfries police Capt. Ronald Mackey.

Since the video hit the Web, the department has received phone calls from concerned citizens who have seen it on the Internet, and from national news organizations looking to investigate.

Mackey said officers recalled helping the victim out of out of a Dumpster near the dojo, and said many remember that the man walked away from the incident.

“It was definitely not a homicide,” said Mackey.

If there was an original incident report, it was destroyed years ago, a common practice for old paperwork, he said. But to be sure, Mackey checked with the coroner’s office and they showed no record of any unidentified bodies that were found in Dumfries that year.


A search of the Potomac News archives for information about the beating proved unsuccessful. An archival search of the Manassas Journal Messenger also yielded no information about the case.

[The Creeper]

That was just fucked up.

[oleblue]

the instructor as well as the student are fully to blame. in the beginning of the video you can plainly hear the victim state and i quote "well i don't want to demonstrate on him, i will demonstrate around him". the victim then follows up this by saying "you can just stand here do not make any movement what so ever, i will not touch you". and lastly "do you feel threatened, i just wished to teach you, i do not wish to hurt you". the victim then starts demonstrating that you must watch the wands and the feet, and then the student comes forwards with assault. the student instigated the fight, the victim defended himself, the instructor allowed the incident to continue. where's the confusion? even after the victim verbally stated "stop, you are good" he continues to be assaulted. it has caught the eyes of mass media and investigations have been started from what i gather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObjWdQBeA4

also, if the fight was over and they "drug" this guy outside why in the hell is there blood on the back door about head high? further assault off camera maybe?


You said it bro.........:goodjob: reps for you.........