..::Civic Wagon Build Thread::..

[FasTech]

Alright, this belongs to one of my best friends (93_DA) and I've been taking all the pic's and such so I decided to go ahead and make a build thread for him. Its going to be somewhat of a teaser because, some stuff I was told to not show you all. :ninja: But, I think you all will manage. :goodjob:

Also, these photos have been scrambled all around on my computer so some might not be in order. I'm going to update this thing daily because were actually just about done.


People that helped were Myself, Stirfry, p3tey2, & jcs.

Photo #1: The day he purchased the P.Wagon!! (Note: I dunno who the black guy is)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/84/l_0f968ffe65c647d3bb6d5f4bd41e58f4.jpg

Photo #2: In the process of throwin' on the suspension goodies.

Tokico Blues w/ H&R racing springs
Extended top hats on the rear
EPD traction bars
BLOX LCA's
Beaks lower tie bar coming


http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/99/l_78cdf734692b44a6bea8a43fa9f17572.jpg

Photo #3: Done on the driver side. It actually sits about a full inch lower all around but it didn't there because that was the only side done.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/88/l_4cd34ed831554c45b7ae5de96f1f9990.jpg


I'll update some more later tonight. I'll also keep everything updates on this page so, you'll just have to keep looking for updates. :goodjob:


Photo #4: Sparkly engine bay


http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/103/l_5e954e083c124d1aa8638110a9158524.jpg



Photo #5: EPD Traction Bars

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/104/l_c356c7c2f6b749a18fdbb762fc9a096d.jpg


Photo #6: Shunk2 dual bend shifter and the infamous "Whale penis" :goodjob:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/81/l_dfb5dac0e7a1491d90853801b5d641f5.jpg

Photo # 7 BLOX LCA's. (Already installed)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/77/l_30446fa8d67548f0adac0cb24f31abb8.jpg



Photo #8: Sterling (Stirfry) finishing up the wiring harness/tuck.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/70/l_0aeb12cc29bf4ec0aa3c7973b7b2981a.jpg

Photo #9 The motor. :ninja: :lmfao:




http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/85/l_db1db08c6be24489b6f49667010e9dec.jpg
Photo #10: Just a lil' teaser. ;)
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/97/l_d704aa967d314850b40c86dc7dad7d63.jpg

I'll update more tommorrow. :goodjob:


Update::

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/102/l_44d51cea66604cc7ae519203795e0e21.jpg


Its running now. This was a quick pic at the gas station on the 1st test run. Not running bad but NEEDS a tune like something serious. But it'll be getting one by Mainstream Monday. We're still working out little bugs here and there but for the most part its almost done.


(Amazing how many people couldn't believe a Honda would cam so hard) LOL.



I'll add some more pic's once everything has been bolted up and all the finishing touches are added. Thanks for looking.

[Catnip]

Shit's still slow.

[FasTech]

Shit's still slow.


We'll see in couple of days. :ninja:

[Catnip]

But I'm telling you now.

[FasTech]

But I'm telling you now.


...yeah ok. Say what you want but when the P.Wagon is draggin' that camaro down the road.. We'll see what you have to say from then on. Haha. :goodjob:

[Revmaynard]

Is he not going with the LSV he said he was going with?

[FasTech]

Is he not going with the LSV he said he was going with?


Thats "TOP SECRET" information. Haha. I'm not suppose to say anything here in the public. I'll PM you.

[LIKEG6]

Sweet dude. Saw the pics thursday night. Nice to meet ya'll BTW.

[Catnip]

...yeah ok. Say what you want but when the P.Wagon is draggin' that camaro down the road.. We'll see what you have to say from then on. Haha. :goodjob:Just like the prelude that was supposed to drag my 13.50 civic? LOLOL

[FasTech]

Sweet dude. Saw the pics thursday night. Nice to meet ya'll BTW.



Haha. Yeah you saw the good one's. Nice meeting you too, bro. :goodjob:

[FasTech]

Just like the prelude that was supposed to drag my 13.50 civic? LOLOL


See, the funny thing about what you just said, was... It would have. ;) :goodjob:

[Catnip]

See, the funny thing about what you just said, was... It would have. ;) :goodjob:


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[FasTech]

Srsly Evan, chill out with filling my thread with worthless nonesense. kthxbye.

[Drummerboy]

anyone ever boosted one of these ole wagons? That'd be hilarious to be walked on by a fat civic.

[Romeo]

Just like the prelude that was supposed to drag my 13.50 civic? LOLOL
Who ever said that? Because i know i sure didn't. And it's not your Civic anymore, homeslice.:goodjob: You mistakenly gave that up also, unlike your bedtime. LOLOL.

[FasTech]

anyone ever boosted one of these ole wagons? That'd be hilarious to be walked on by a fat civic.


Yeah, its been done before. A K20 wagon is in the works now. :crazy:

[Romeo]

Yeah, its been done before. A K20 wagon is in the works now. :crazy:
:thinking: ..............J-Series Wagon.....Hmmmm.......:thinking:

[Catnip]

Who ever said that? Because i know i sure didn't. And it's not your Civic anymore, homeslice.:goodjob: You mistakenly gave that up also, unlike your bedtime. LOLOL.

I was talking to tyler, Pookie.


PS. I was out till 7am last night ;)

[Romeo]

I was talking to tyler, Pookie.


PS. I was out till 7am last night ;)
My bad then, sunshine. :crazy:
And plus, i was only joking with you.
But still, don't hate on my Wagon. :goodjob:

[imports]

looks good :)

[slostang]

i spy a b-series vtec head...

[Romeo]

i spy a b-series vtec head...
Oh, that thing? That's for my, well soon to be Tyler's, DA. :goodjob: :taun:

[Okie_doke.]

Shit looks good bro

[xdavidscenex]

slow

[.:Stirfry:.]

i like how you put your name first. when ive done all the work. lol
jk.

but look at me doin work on the harness. wire tuck ftl.
i didnt knoe you took that.

[jcs]

i like how you put your name first. when ive done all the work. lol
jk.

but look at me doin work on the harness. wire tuck ftl.
i didnt knoe you took that.


you didnt know cause i had been takin all the pics:thinking: my name is last for some reason cause if im not mistaken me and joe were the only ones dropin the motor in:goodjob: but tyler i still love you....no homo

[jcs]

oh and sorry i got my hand in that second shot wasnt payin attention.

[FasTech]

you didnt know cause i had been takin all the pics:thinking: my name is last for some reason cause if im not mistaken me and joe were the only ones dropin the motor in:goodjob: but tyler i still love you....no homo


Thats funny Josh, because I have took every photo for this build thread. And.. yeah... you helped drop the motor in.... but where were you when it was being put together, engine bay being sanded, etc. Haha. :goodjob:

[.:Stirfry:.]

AY yawl mother fuckers..!!.


bit why every time i come over yawl tell me not to bring MY camera? wth::.

[.:Stirfry:.]

you didnt know cause i had been takin all the pics:thinking: my name is last for some reason cause if im not mistaken me and joe were the only ones dropin the motor in:goodjob: but tyler i still love you....no homo

lol bit.. thats why you need to bring the hookah over next time.. so we can do work and hookah. :yes:

[FasTech]

AY yawl mother fuckers..!!.


bit why every time i come over yawl tell me not to bring MY camera? wth::.


Hey now, I forget to remind you. You can do the shots once its complete. How much wiring did you get done after I left last night?

[.:Stirfry:.]

Hey now, I forget to remind you. You can do the shots once its complete. How much wiring did you get done after I left last night?

not a lot b/c joe hoe forgot to hook up the water lines. :screwy:
lol..

but i cant make it out there b/c i have to go to the doc for my back.

[jcs]

Thats funny Josh, because I have took every photo for this build thread. And.. yeah... you helped drop the motor in.... but where were you when it was being put together, engine bay being sanded, etc. Haha. :goodjob:


i was probably in same place you were sleepin in the livin room:lmfao: but man you know im kiddin around no reason to get butt hurt over nothin,keep on and no hookah for you later:yes:

[FasTech]

i was probably in same place you were sleepin in the livin room:lmfao: but man you know im kiddin around no reason to get butt hurt over nothin,keep on and no hookah for you later:yes:




Nah, no butt hurtage my way, son. Hence why I put the "Haha" at the end. :doh:




When you leave for college?!

[Romeo]

this is josh i leave the 14 i was gonna try and pick up a 12 pack tonight you got any cash to help out

[Z0_o6]

slow.

[mirz833]

nice

[Romeo]

slow.

Never built it to be fast. :goodjob:

[Z0_o6]

Never built it to be fast. :goodjob:

good thing, cause you would have failed. :goodjob:

[.:Stirfry:.]

Never built it to be fast. :goodjob:
yea i know right :ninja:

[Romeo]

yea i know right :ninja:
It ran tonight! Just going to check over the multi-port swap a little later.

[Romeo]

good thing, cause you would have failed. :goodjob:
Is your Subaru still sitting in your driveway?

[Catnip]

Is your Subaru still sitting in your driveway?It was at cheddars saturday night ;)

[.:Stirfry:.]

It ran tonight! Just going to check over the multi-port swap a little later.

well what you mean by ran.lol

did the dizzy ever get set?

[p3tey2]

woot woot for the wagon

[FasTech]

Bump for Updates on pg1.

[.:Stirfry:.]

i hope thats 93 hes pumping in there!

[FasTech]

i hope thats 93 hes pumping in there!


It is, darkness. We know whats good. ;)

[.:Stirfry:.]

bit.

[.:Stirfry:.]

im bout to post up the other pics.

[FasTech]

im bout to post up the other pics.


Send them too me and I'll post them on the 1st post.

[J-ROCK]

why is everyone arguing over who did the most work??? at least the thing is runnin! lol looks good guys!

[atlaccordz94]

they are both BALLIN.... but i dig the Gangsta look. tyte

[Ol' Gregg]

wagons freak me out

[jdm>usdm]

You guys need to hit me up whenever you run it out at the track.


We all need to meet up and ride out together.





Wait, will it be ran at the track?

[Romeo]

You guys need to hit me up whenever you run it out at the track.


We all need to meet up and ride out together.





Wait, will it be ran at the track?
Yes, it will see some track time. :goodjob:
But it should be tuned tomorrow. Got the exhaust done today.

[jdm>usdm]

Yes, it will see some track time. :goodjob:
But it should be tuned tomorrow. Got the exhaust done today.

Awesome.

I planned on runnin the teg at silver dollor this friday. Would it be ready by then?

[FasTech]

why is everyone arguing over who did the most work??? at least the thing is runnin! lol looks good guys!


No one was arguing. We were just messing around, or atleast I was.

[94ej2]

still using fail obd0 tuning,..

[J-ROCK]

No one was arguing. We were just messing around, or atleast I was.

as was i!:goodjob:

[Catnip]

It's "camming" because it's not running right...

[Revmaynard]

LOL ^

[p3tey2]

Can't wait to c this run at the track hmmmm should be fun lol

[BABY J]

I can't wait to drag it down the road/track in my wagon.

[Revmaynard]

I can't wait to drag it down the road/track in my wagon.

C'mon J'son, that won't even be fair, why would you even waste yo gas? lol

[FasTech]

It's "camming" because it's not running right...

After tune, with it running right, I'm sure it would still cam alittle.

[BABY J]

True. I retract my previous statement. LOL

[Catnip]

After tune, with it running right, I'm sure it would still cam alittle.

VTEC hondas don't "cam." They have vtec so the primary lobes aren't aggressive, giving more low end power, then switching to the secondary (aka vtec) lobes at high RPM (4500 for the GSR, 5500 for the B16, etc) which are more aggressive lobes... where it's actually usable.

Hence no lumpy idle for VTEC hondas.


*edit* "camming" hondas are A. Non-vtec, B. Not running right, C. Vtec running vtec killers... being that the motor is a LS/VTEC... it's not running right ;)

[jdm>usdm]

I ran an aggresive cam in my y8.


It cammed. And yes, the timing was right. And no, it wasnt a vtec killer cam.

[jdm>usdm]

But then again, it was a BLOX cam.

And it was kinda a POS

[Catnip]

I ran an aggresive cam in my y8.


It cammed. And yes, the timing was right. And no, it wasnt a vtec killer cam.

Running near perfect AFRs/Fuel pressure?

[94ej2]

VTEC hondas don't "cam." They have vtec so the primary lobes aren't aggressive, giving more low end power, then switching to the secondary (aka vtec) lobes at high RPM (4500 for the GSR, 5500 for the B16, etc) which are more aggressive lobes... where it's actually usable.

Hence no lumpy idle for VTEC hondas.


*edit* "camming" hondas are A. Non-vtec, B. Not running right, C. Vtec running vtec killers... being that the motor is a LS/VTEC... it's not running right ;)


:lmfao:


why does pro1 cammed on sammy's teg then? A its vtec. B. its making 257whp, C. its only a skunk2 pro1

[jdm>usdm]

Running near perfect AFRs/Fuel pressure?


Yep.

Ass tuned it myself with a wide band and an afc neo.

[Catnip]

:lmfao:


why does pro1 cammed on sammy's teg then? A its vtec. B. its making 257whp, C. its only a skunk2 pro1


Go watch videos of properly tuned honda motors with cams... they're pretty damn mild sounding. Plus I highly doubt the wagon is running pro1s.

[Catnip]

Yep.

Ass tuned it myself with a wide band and an afc neo.


lol. Trying to tell me your car was almost perfectly tuned and then telling me it was done with an AFC, isn't very convincing... no offense of course

[jdm>usdm]

lol. Trying to tell me your car was almost perfectly tuned and then telling me it was done with an AFC, isn't very convincing... no offense of course


A car being perfectly tuned vs.perfectly tuned at idle are two different things. I mean there are only so many things that can be done within those few hundred rpms which the car tends to settle at idle.


All I know is I messed with the bitch like crazy to get the idle right... and it still cammed.

It seemed to actually run better at idle when I gave it a leaner a/f mixture than how it ran with more fuel. Which is the opposite as to what I thought would happen. Idk Im no pro tuner by ANY means though.lol

[jcs]

Go watch videos of properly tuned honda motors with cams... they're pretty damn mild sounding. Plus I highly doubt the wagon is running pro1s.


i woundnt doubt the cam part:no:
































just sayin...

[xdavidscenex]

Go watch videos of properly tuned honda motors with cams... they're pretty damn mild sounding. Plus I highly doubt the wagon is running pro1s.

IM JUST SAYING>..

evan....i was me on pong's SN. hes not running pro1 and his car isnt running right.

PS. pro1 does cam...:tongue1:

[dexsohcvtec]

love the look +repz

[BABY J]

This is funny! LMAO. Especially the notion that some VTEC cams don't have bigger primary lobe than OEM. This thread is full of mis-information.

[Vteckidd]

Yep.

Ass tuned it myself with a wide band and an afc neo.
theres your problem, all an AFC does is alter the map signal and trick the ECU into thinking that its in a different spot of the map to give you MINOR adjustments in respect to the fuel mixture. It also effects your timing, as different spots of the map require different timing adjusmtents.

On a normal car, lets say at 10 inches of vacuum the car is in map "COLUMN A" at 5000 RPMs. Lets say at 5inches of vacuum the car is in MAP "COLUMN B" which takes more fuel and timing at 5000 RPMS. As your load increases so does the fuel and timing (usually). All an AFC does is trick your ecu into thinking that COLUMN A is really "COLUMN B" by altering the map signal. The ecu thinks you are at 5inches of vacuum when you are really only at 10 inches just by altering the signal to the ecu (controlling the voltage). Thats a crude way to explain it but it works.

A programmable ECU like Hondata or Crome doesnt alter the signal at all. It physically controls injector pulse width to determine the fuel you are using.

You also cant compare a SOHC cam to a DOHC cam setup. SOHC has 3 lobes per cylinder(3 lobes to control 4 valves, DOHC has 6 (6 lobes to control 4 valves) (3 lobes intake side, 3 lobes exhaust side)

thats the whole point behind DOHC and VTEC. Maximum driveability, maximum HP.

And no, PRO1s if properly tuned and if they are 0,0, they will idle like stock. I had PRO3s in my 2.0l LSVTEC and it idled at 1000rpms with no lumpiness at all.

I will say this though, there was a bad batch of PRO1s few years back where the centerlines were off. So if you put them in at 0,0 it wouldnt idle at all. It would lump and die consistently. DA_UNKNOWN on here had a set and it was nearly impossible to get his car to idle right. If these are PRO1s from like 4-5 years ago, then its possible. If they are new, then something is not right with the car.

[Vteckidd]

Furthermore, the lumpiness goes along with this whole "OMG VTEC CROSSOVER IS SO LOUD !!!@##!#@!"

If you can hear VTEC on PRO1s PRO2s or PRO3s, its not properly tuned. VTEC should be a seamless transition, there should be no loud or overly audible crossover. It should be a simple click in the powerband.

you set VTEC where you achieve Peak TQ usually. Before that and you are changing into VTEC before the low cam has achieved max cylinder pressure, after that, you are losing power in your powerband.

[BABY J]

I can't hear VTEC crossover at all in my wagon. It must be broke.

[xdavidscenex]

theres your problem, all an AFC does is alter the map signal and trick the ECU into thinking that its in a different spot of the map to give you MINOR adjustments in respect to the fuel mixture. It also effects your timing, as different spots of the map require different timing adjusmtents.

On a normal car, lets say at 10 inches of vacuum the car is in map "COLUMN A" at 5000 RPMs. Lets say at 5inches of vacuum the car is in MAP "COLUMN B" which takes more fuel and timing at 5000 RPMS. As your load increases so does the fuel and timing (usually). All an AFC does is trick your ecu into thinking that COLUMN A is really "COLUMN B" by altering the map signal. The ecu thinks you are at 5inches of vacuum when you are really only at 10 inches just by altering the signal to the ecu (controlling the voltage). Thats a crude way to explain it but it works.

A programmable ECU like Hondata or Crome doesnt alter the signal at all. It physically controls injector pulse width to determine the fuel you are using.

You also cant compare a SOHC cam to a DOHC cam setup. SOHC has 3 lobes per cylinder(3 lobes to control 4 valves, DOHC has 6 (6 lobes to control 4 valves) (3 lobes intake side, 3 lobes exhaust side)

thats the whole point behind DOHC and VTEC. Maximum driveability, maximum HP.

And no, PRO1s if properly tuned and if they are 0,0, they will idle like stock. I had PRO3s in my 2.0l LSVTEC and it idled at 1000rpms with no lumpiness at all.

I will say this though, there was a bad batch of PRO1s few years back where the centerlines were off. So if you put them in at 0,0 it wouldnt idle at all. It would lump and die consistently. DA_UNKNOWN on here had a set and it was nearly impossible to get his car to idle right. If these are PRO1s from like 4-5 years ago, then its possible. If they are new, then something is not right with the car.

well....why does sammy's dart 2.0L setup have lumpy idle with pro1? its set 0,0. its the same integra that was bought from mainstream...

[FasTech]

Plus I highly doubt the wagon is running pro1s.


Seeing as how its not your build nor have you had any part in building it, then you'll never know. ;)

[xdavidscenex]

i hope yall treat my bottomend with respect.

[J-ROCK]

damn this thread took a major turn lol

[Romeo]

i hope yall treat my bottomend with respect.

Yes sir. Lol.

[BABY J]

i hope yall treat my bottomend with respect.

WUT WUT IN DA BUTT

[Ol' Gregg]

Ill treat some bottom with respect!


vtec crossover is the shit!!! ummm baaaaaammmmm

[Ol' Gregg]

and with turbo you get


ummmm baaaammmmmmmmm pshhhhh

[J-ROCK]

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bah bah bah, bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

[Black R]

VTEC hondas don't "cam." They have vtec so the primary lobes aren't aggressive, giving more low end power, then switching to the secondary (aka vtec) lobes at high RPM (4500 for the GSR, 5500 for the B16, etc) which are more aggressive lobes... where it's actually usable.

Hence no lumpy idle for VTEC hondas.


*edit* "camming" hondas are A. Non-vtec, B. Not running right, C. Vtec running vtec killers... being that the motor is a LS/VTEC... it's not running right ;)


wut

[J-ROCK]

so anything new with the wagon???

[Romeo]

Nope. Need to fix some loose ends it has.

[J-ROCK]

you need to get over here and help me with the hatch!