Import vs Domestic

[ProbeKiller]

let us know what you think

[Sentra]

import

[sebastianHoff]

depends on what it is. if its a domestic trying to be an import, i.e. your caviliers neons or probes, import no question. but you cant really compare a b20 or h22 to an lt1 can you?

[quickdodge®]

depends on what it is. if its a domestic trying to be an import, i.e. your caviliers neons or probes, import no question.

That actually makes no sense. The only way a domestic can "try to be an import" is if you put import badges on them. I didn't try to make my Neon an import. A made my Neon to be an autoX car and that's what it is. It doesn't look like an import. It has no import parts on it. Why didn't you say if it's an import trying to be a domestic? Make sense next time, dude. Later, QD.

[Mr.Big]

cause the imports started the sport compact scene

[ProbeKiller]

Quick dodge is my hero, why would anyone want to be anything less :D

[djmaddmartin]

LOL

[Vteckidd]

/thread failure

[djmaddmartin]

I don't think its a failure. Just not specific enough. Kinda vague.

[Negrodamus]

depends on what it is. if its a domestic trying to be an import, i.e. your caviliers neons or probes, import no question.
i think hes actually trying to say is.....actual imports over "J-bodies"/domestic sport compact cars.

[sebastianHoff]

what i was saying, which might require some outside thinking to understand, is you cant really compare a traditional american car to an import. you cant put a stock mustang or camaro next to a stock integra, eclipse, or 240sx and ask which performs better. the domestics would butcher em, its not even a fair contest. but if you take a domestic, like the neon or cavalier, that was designed from the get go to compete with the civic (or a probe that for all intensive purposes is an mx6) then the import takes it, no question.

now before you all start bitchin about how your cars are better, im sure they are, but they probably arent stock. hell my s14 has violated cars that cost 12x what it cost me to build. but the only fair way to judge is from stock condition, and in stock condition my s14 was a turd. i mean shit it had a hard time out running its exhaust and that comes out the back of the friggin car.

[1439/2000]

Yeah this thread sucks.

And its in all motor too. I think we all know all motor, domestics own.

[HyPer50]

Yeah this thread sucks.

And its in all motor too. I think we all know all motor, domestics own.

x2, and LMAO at the new guy misunderstanding QD AND trying to insult him... In all motor, no replacement for displacement.

[Vteckidd]

x2, and LMAO at the new guy misunderstanding QD AND trying to insult him... In all motor, no replacement for displacement.
+1 vote

[KevinT707]

Import, my parents say American cars are not reliable. What'd you expect asian parents to say ? :)

[HyPer50]

Import, my parents say American cars are not reliable.

Thats like saying all asians are smart... or all asians can't drive lol. You can't generalize... Sure sure the american auto industry has had a few bad eggs, but there are some american cars out there that you just cannot kill. The Chevy 350, Chevy 4.3, Ford 5.0 (as long as you dont redline it often this motor will go on for damn near ever), GM 3.8, etc. There are some unreliable imports too lol.... My tracker needed a new tranny after 15k miles after the beating I was laying on it haha.

Anyways, sorry about goin' off topic, but who's taking this thread seriously anyways? The original poster just said "let us know what you think"..... in relation to what numb nuts?

[KevinT707]

haha, yea I was kidding (kinda) .. & I thought Chevy made the Tracker

You can't generalize...

[SaraX5]

i will alllways drive an import.

[punkr6]

. I didn't try to make my Neon an import. A made my Neon to be an autoX car and that's what it is. It doesn't look like an import. It has no import parts on it. Why didn't you say if it's an import trying to be a domestic? Make sense next time, dude. Later, QD.
__________________sorry QD but dodge already did it for you.

[HyPer50]

haha, yea I was kidding (kinda) .. & I thought Chevy made the Tracker

Well, thats what the badge says, but you pop the hood and it's all Suzuki. And mine was actually a 96 Geo tracker.. and i believe Geo is a Korean company. But ya, it's the exact same thing as a Suzuki Sidekick, same chassis, powertrain, interior, everything... they just have a different name lol.

[quickdodge®]

which might require some outside thinking to understand,

Before, I had no clue as to what you were saying. Now, I think you have no clue as to what you're saying.


but if you take a domestic, like the neon or cavalier, that was designed from the get go to compete with the civic (or a probe that for all intensive purposes is an mx6) then the import takes it, no question.

Sorry. Wrong. The Neon, although not nearly as reliable engine-wise, outdid the Civic in performance pretty well. Stock for stock, the Neon had between 25-40 more HP, torques was stronger and it out-handled the Civic. Remember(if ou didn't know) the Neon was orignally designed as an auto-X car. That's why it has always faired very well in auto-X everywhere. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

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__________________sorry QD but dodge already did it for you.

WTF?? What did Dodge do for me? Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

. & I thought Chevy made the Tracker

Actually, the Geo Tracker and the Geo Metro were a joint venture between Chevy and Suzuki(Sidekick and Swift). The Geo Prizm was a cross with Chevy and Toyota(Corolla). Later, QD.

[sebastianHoff]

i understand perfectly what i said, if you didnt thats fine(most people dont), but dont get in my ass about it either. im not gonna argue with you about the neon, never owned one and i've never considered buying one. all i can go off are what friends who work, or worked, for chrysler or the daimler group say and what i read in the industry rags. seems they were tryin to build an american car that could compete with imports and personally id rather buy an import than the american equvilant.

[HyPer50]

personally id rather buy an import than the american equvilant.

Communist Nazi terrorist! haha

[quickdodge®]

seems they were tryin to build an american car that could compete with imports

It doesn't seem they were doing this...they did do it. Later, QD.

[chrisdavis]

[QUOTE=sebastianHoff ....... but if you take a domestic, like the neon or cavalier, that was designed from the get go to compete with the civic (or a probe that for all intensive purposes is an mx6) then the import takes it, no question.

[/QUOTE]

I used base model specs since your comparison is stock vs stock

2005 Cavalier(base model)

Hp 140@ 5600 RPM
Torque 150@4000 RPM

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ncs2?kbb.GA;632088;GA247&30012&&;;nc;cpe&5&05CHX1_BCV;051001

2005 Honda Civic

Hp 115@ 6100 RPM
Torque 110@4500 RPM

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ncs2?kbb.GA;368644;GA247&30012&&;;nc;cpe&5&05HOCM_VPR;051001

[chrisdavis]

Here's more. All from Kelly Blue Book

All are base models

2005 Ford Focus
HP 136
Torque- no data

2005 Eclipse GS
147 Hp
Torque-No data

2005 VW Golf
HP 115 @ 5200 RPM
Torque 122 @ 2600 RPM

2005 Mini Cooper
Horsepower 115 @ 6000 RPM
Torque 111 @ 4500 RPM

2005 Toyota Celica
HP 140
Torque- No Data

2005 Dodge Stratus
Horsepower 147 @ 5500 RPM
Torque 158 @ 4000 RPM

2005 Hyundai Tiburon
Horsepower 138 @ 6000 RPM
Torque 136 @ 4500 RPM

2005 Acura RSX
Horsepower 160 @ 6500 RPM
Torque 141 @ 4000 RPM


Dodge Neon SXT (the only Neon I could find since its the last year for them)
Horsepower @ RPM132@5600
Torque @ RPM130@4600

[Vteckidd]

i would bet money the RSX is the fastest out of all those cars.

[chrisdavis]

i would bet money the RSX is the fastest out of all those cars.

You would be right sir. However the Cavalier beat out most of the pack. Kinda killed that hands down argument lol.

[Vteckidd]

lol.

yeah, the main advantage honda has always had over other cars has been the ability to rev. they have much longer, usuable powerbands compared to their "domestic" compact car bretheren.

Still, for the money:
SRT4>anything out right now

[dtbd]

I say if you have a turbo or supercharged about equal cant count all neons out like the srt4s and turboed sxts and for shows Ive seen sweet lookin of both. I like both of them.