Conservative Christians

[tony]

Those who believe in the death penalty.. that "eye for an eye" mentality, against social programs that help the poor and want to hold true to "tradition." I know there are a good number of you here..

Anyway I was just doing some research on Religion and a comparison of the various and what I found most interesting is that these "Conservative Christians" ideologically fall more in line with Mohammed than with Jesus. I almost feel as if I'm disrespecting Islam by saying that but I am basing this off of simple ideology at its core and nothing more.

I just find it kind of ironic I guess since we know who Conservative Christians tend not to like..

[Tracy]

Those who believe in the death penalty.. that "eye for an eye" mentality, against social programs that help the poor and want to hold true to "tradition." I know there are a good number of you here..

Anyway I was just doing some research on Religion and a comparison of the various and what I found most interesting is that these "Conservative Christians" ideologically fall more in line with Mohammed than with Jesus. I almost feel as if I'm disrespecting Islam by saying that but I am basing this off of simple ideology at its core and nothing more.

I just find it kind of ironic I guess since we know who Conservative Christians tend not to like..Link to the comparison you were looking at?

[zimabog]

I am not a Conservative nor a Christian, but I do support the death penalty. But the truth is the death penalty in America is not the death penalty i want. They keep them alive for 15 years and use millions and millions of dollars just for legal paperwork.

My version of the death penalty: Court finds you guilty of the fact that you don't deserve to live anymore. Wait maybe 3 years or so for all the appeals to go away (unless its 100% proven without a doubt and you pleaded guilty). Then execute the person. Either let the person's family have the body, or either bury them without a coffen so their body decomposes into the ground (plant a tree too yay!) or cremate them using ecofriendly cremation processes.

Make it so there is not millions of dollars in legal paperwork. Do it as efficient as possible.

[streak]

I'm a "conservative" & a "christian." I really don't understand what comparison your talking about. But I do support capital punishment. I assume your thinking about the "shalt not kill" thing. If you take the time to research that passage of scripture, you will realize that the KJV bible is written in "olde english". when you translate into modern english, it says "thou shall not commit murder." So there is no conflict there.

[tony]

Link to the comparison you were looking at?

No link this was actually in text, when you look at the two religions again the ideology of Conservative Christians falls more in line with Islam than Christianity.

Capital Punishment -

Christianity - "Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeane is mine, I will repay"

Islam - "Do not kill a Soul which Allah has made sacred except through the due process of law"

Just one example from what im researching. The two religions structurally are not that different which makes me question why one would be apprehensive toward the other.

[Ocelot]

they are very similar, you are correct, but the reasons for them being violent towards each other throughout time are probably exclusively related to who was/is in charge of the separate regions. They feel they are the right ones, like everyone else is wrong, and they feel they must purge the filth from the world. neither side bothered to read the other side's texts, and neither of them care for a negotiation. there simply can be only one religion, only one true God, in these people's eyes.

I'm sure the thought never occurred, and probably still will not, due to pride, that their religions are one and the same, with only a language barrier to separate them.

[afwfjustin]

You do realize that there are a lot of innocent people on death row, right? It's not as simple as 'you're guilty, time to die'

[tony]

they are very similar, you are correct, but the reasons for them being violent towards each other throughout time are probably exclusively related to who was/is in charge of the separate regions. They feel they are the right ones, like everyone else is wrong, and they feel they must purge the filth from the world. neither side bothered to read the other side's texts, and neither of them care for a negotiation. there simply can be only one religion, only one true God, in these people's eyes.

I'm sure the thought never occurred, and probably still will not, due to pride, that their religions are one and the same, with only a language barrier to separate them.

Not totally true, if I understand correctly Islam does recognize Jesus as a prophet but not the Messiah. Typically Islam is respectful of Christianity but the sentiment is not returned since Christianity does not recognize the Prophet Mohammed. You are right with the "We are right you are wrong" view from either side but I think the harsh criticism and discrimination that Islam receives is unwarranted.

[Ocelot]

of course it is. but they both have/had extremists who want nothing more than for their religion to be the only one and for everyone else to die

[geoff]

i am a conservative christian and by that i mean i take the Word of God as truth. i dont believe in the death penalty. Vengence is Gods. who are we to judge who should live and die. i think it would be best for us to some how find a way to cut the costs of keeping someone in jail. just send em to the moon and have them dook it out...no jk.

[Hulud]

Tony,
As most know I am not Christian but I feel that you are making the same assumptions about Christians that some christians make about muslims. You are generalizing that christians are not respectful of islam, but have you done any research? or just read stuff online? or are you saying this because they dont see Mohammed as a profet?

Also you are saying that the view that these people have is unwarranted, which it is but do you honestly think that Islam is exempt from these same feelings throughout history? I hope you dont.

[tony]

Tony,
As most know I am not Christian but I feel that you are making the same assumptions about Christians that some christians make about muslims. You are generalizing that christians are not respectful of islam, but have you done any research? or just read stuff online? or are you saying this because they dont see Mohammed as a profet?

Also you are saying that the view that these people have is unwarranted, which it is but do you honestly think that Islam is exempt from these same feelings throughout history? I hope you dont.

Anything I've said is coming from actual textbook reading and not online stuff. Now if I was generalizing Christians' opinions of Islam I am completely in the wrong which is why I stated Conservative Christians, those who do believe in an eye for an eye and have small regard for the poor.

What I am stating is that it would be hypocritical to be critical Islam when in fact their social views may align more with the Qur'an rather than their own religion. Nothing more.

[Hulud]

Anything I've said is coming from actual textbook reading and not online stuff. Now if I was generalizing Christians' opinions of Islam I am completely in the wrong which is why I stated Conservative Christians, those who do believe in an eye for an eye and have small regard for the poor.
the reason i said christians and not conservative christians at one point was in reference to this quote:

Typically Islam is respectful of Christianity but the sentiment is not returned since Christianity does not recognize the Prophet Mohammed.

you were just saying christians in this post, so i was wondering what this post was in reference to


What I am stating is that it would be hypocritical to be critical Islam when in fact their social views may align more with the Qur'an rather than their own religion. Nothing more.
well i agree with you on this part but im not sure what the actual percent of conservative christians are actual christians if they believe in capital punishment. which brings me to my major problem with organized religion - its that people pick parts that fit their life and disregard others.

which is why i know that if there is a god i will be in heaven before most on this website or in life

[tony]

I don't really affiliate with either one, my religion is personal and I have no desire to push my views on anyone else. I think everyone finds peace within their selves in different ways, I'd like to think I'm still searching for mine but I feel okay about where I am.

[Hulud]

I don't really affiliate with either one, my religion is personal and I have no desire to push my views on anyone else. I think everyone finds peace within their selves in different ways, I'd like to think I'm still searching for mine but I feel okay about where I am.
im not attacking you, im just trying to clarify what you are saying.

also i dont know your views so please dont think i am saying you are one way or another

[zimabog]

who are we to judge who should live and die.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Xinhai
"Shortly after he was arrested, Yang confessed to 65 murders, 23 rapes and five attacks causing serious injury."
He said: "When I killed people I had a desire (to kill more). This inspired me to kill more. I don't care whether they deserve to live or not. It is none of my concern...I have no desire to be part of society. Society is not my concern."

That man without a doubt deserved to die. And the execution only cost about 20 cents. Single gunshot to the back of the head. Good times!


There are plenty of more.

There was this one guy in Austria a few years ago named Fritzl, he kept his daughter in a basement dungeon for her entire life and raped her repeatably, having many incest children and even raped the incest children in the dungeon too. He was not executed, but he should have been.



So you see that its quite easy sometimes to make the decision whether someone should die. I'm sure you kill bugs all the time in your house. Spiders, cockroaches, ants. I'm sure that you kill all the ones you see that cross your kitchen counter. Those people I mentioned are nothing more than bugs. They are just sacks of amino acids and carbon. I retract my bug statement. Those people are LESS than bugs. Bugs I usually try to just throw outside.

[creman]

I think you're confusing two things. Politics and religion don't go together.

What it comes down to, "conservative Christians" as you call them/us, believe there should be the option to kill, and the option to give to the poor as we see fit. It's not that I want people to starve, or I want every person in the world to die through death penilty, however I believe there are cases each are justified and needed. I support the death penilty and don't support social programs because I want the choice to give/forgive as I wish, not let the government do it for me with my money.

I've never killed anyone in my life, and I hope I never have to. However if someone raped/murdered my wife I would want nothing but to see them die. Is that the Christian forgiveness I should have? Probably not, however I'm still human. I think it's only right to have the OPTION of my peers to decide if this man should die or not. Obviously if it's up to me I say yes, but that's why it isn't up to me.

I give to people who are in need all the time. However it makes me mad when half of my money goes to taxes, which in turn go to lazy people who know how to work the system and drain every red cent out of it. So I don't support giving to the "needy" because the system is broken.

Don't mix political stances with Christian teachings, because as a Christian I really only have a few choices when it comes to politics. My personal life I can live as I want.

[ahabion]

I think you're confusing two things. Politics and religion don't go together.

What it comes down to, "conservative Christians" as you call them/us, believe there should be the option to kill, and the option to give to the poor as we see fit. It's not that I want people to starve, or I want every person in the world to die through death penilty, however I believe there are cases each are justified and needed. I support the death penilty and don't support social programs because I want the choice to give/forgive as I wish, not let the government do it for me with my money.

I've never killed anyone in my life, and I hope I never have to. However if someone raped/murdered my wife I would want nothing but to see them die. Is that the Christian forgiveness I should have? Probably not, however I'm still human. I think it's only right to have the OPTION of my peers to decide if this man should die or not. Obviously if it's up to me I say yes, but that's why it isn't up to me.

I give to people who are in need all the time. However it makes me mad when half of my money goes to taxes, which in turn go to lazy people who know how to work the system and drain every red cent out of it. So I don't support giving to the "needy" because the system is broken.

Don't mix political stances with Christian teachings, because as a Christian I really only have a few choices when it comes to politics. My personal life I can live as I want.

Well said Creman.

[geoff]

very well said

[Ocelot]

lol I'll agree politics and religion don't mix well. (that's how wars start, ask an Afghan)

[tony]

Its amazing to me how someone is supposed to live in the image of Jesus Christ when Christ himself was a servant to the people, today he would be called a socialist liberal. Politics and Religion are to be seperate but who takes it personally when people want to remove "In God We Trust?" Who opposes abortion based on religious beliefs, or gay marriage? All these issues face roadblocks due to religious beliefs and who typically injects their religion into politics? Conservative Christians.

Know what other culture is big on basing laws on religion? Take a guess.. just another similarity.

[efman]

You do realize that there are a lot of innocent people on death row, right? It's not as simple as 'you're guilty, time to die'


this is true, i work in a detention center and everyone in there is innocent and held against there will ! its horrible..... :rolleyes:


there may be some innocent people but i dont know about "a lot" just saying

[creman]

Its amazing to me how someone is supposed to live in the image of Jesus Christ when Christ himself was a servant to the people, today he would be called a socialist liberal. Politics and Religion are to be seperate but who takes it personally when people want to remove "In God We Trust?" Who opposes abortion based on religious beliefs, or gay marriage? All these issues face roadblocks due to religious beliefs and who typically injects their religion into politics? Conservative Christians.

Know what other culture is big on basing laws on religion? Take a guess.. just another similarity.

but the point you're missing is how can you live in the image of Christ through someone else? That's why you seperate the two, you pick the less of two evils and then try to make it work. How someone else lives their life has nothing to do with how I live mine, so supporting an office doesn't mean I agree with everything. Just more than the other fool.

The same problem comes from social programs, that's like saying "I give my money to the poor, but I also give it to those who work the system in order to spend my money on sin." That's why I don't support them! As I said, I give plenty to the needy, but I deem who that is with my own money. It's not the goverments job.

Jesus would NOT be called a socialist in any sense today. He fed the multitudes, once. He taught men to fish, he didn't bring them food every day. He would show kindness and love, but give me one instance (besides his death) that he did it for the same person over and over. You help those in need, but you don't keep them up. It is up to the individual to take a "handout" and better themselves. Not to keep depending on each handout over and over. That is why we call people socialist, because the lazy and stupid live off of everyone else without ever trying to better themselves or learn.