Which japanese manufacturer do you like best?

[RL...]

1) I don't know how to make a poll.

What I mean by this is which auto makers current lineup do you prefer. I'm just trying to gauge everyones opinions on which auto makes they like in todays time, and not being stuck 10-20 years ago..

Currently honda doesn't make s2000s, tegs, rsx's, nsx's anymore. They're fastest car is now a v6 accord. Or for acura the tl.

Maxda makes the rx-8 still, but no 7, although the mazdaspeed series are nice cars

Toyota has no supra nor mr2, well it does have the tc.....lol

Nissan has the 370z(ugly but a great car) and gtr

mitsubishi has the evo which is still a great car

subaru still has sti's which are good as well

Seems to me like nissan is the only japenese auto maker making sports cars now....and it seems to me like toyota and honda are both focusing more on economy cars that makes their bottom line look better than making cars that are affordable, nice, and fun to drive...tsk tsk tsk Sounds like a big fuck you to the tuner crowd if you ask me

anyways those are my thoughts on the matter. :D

[nreggie454]

So what separates a "great car" from a "sports car?" Apparently to an enlightened person like you, it is a Nissan badge.

Idiot.

[Catnip]

God forfuckingbid you put this in the car talk section.

[MINI]

No one gives a shit about the tuner crowd. Modifying cars will be completely gone in 5 years.

[RL...]

So what separates a "great car" from a "sports car?" Apparently to an enlightened person like you, it is a Nissan badge.

Idiot.

The make does not determine whether a car is or is not a sports car. IMO a sports car has either a FR or RR layout, and is 2 doors. But a car can be a great car without being a sports car as well....

I was pointing out that nissan is the only japanese maker to currently still producing a true sports car...

Idiot.

[RL...]

No one gives a shit about the tuner crowd. Modifying cars will be completely gone in 5 years.

I disagree, or at the very least, I hope not.

[nreggie454]

LOL at the convenient omission of AWD. A car does not have to be RWD to be a sports car.

[civic gsr]

I LIKE ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE TC LOL

[Deke]

No one gives a shit about the tuner crowd. Modifying cars will be completely gone in 5 years.

Lol, you think a practice that has been going on since the early 1900s is going to dissolve in 5 years? The act of modifying cars isn't going anywhere until there's a new universal individually owned form of transportation to take it's place.

[RL...]

LOL at the convenient omission of AWD. A car does not have to be RWD to be a sports car.

AWD cars are great, but I consider on FR and RR layouts to considered true sports cars...

[RL...]

I LIKE ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE TC LOL

I like tc's...but I would never buy one

[HypnoToad]

Mazda is always my #1

thier styling is always right up my alley,and ofcourse the rotary engine. it seems like they kinda set thier own pace,and dont really follow awhole alot of the time.

then 2nd id choose Toyota

great well made cars,little softer designs compared to mazda....but if i had to drive a FWD car the Celica would be top of the list,mine was a great little car.

[EJ25RUN]

DOME.CO.LTD (http://www.dome.co.jp/e/profile/index.html)

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/3506-4.jpg

[HypnoToad]

o snap dome

[Z0_o6]

I like subaru, because they are continuing those crazy awd non sports cars.... I also like the gtr, but the rest of nissan's lineup is ugly as fuck. I like honda's a lot, but I wouldn't buy any of their current offerings, other than an Accord V6 fully loaded, just because they're pretty quick, have ok styling, and are just all around nice.

[81911SC]

So you list a GTR that's AWD with more shit then any other "true sports car" (in your mind) but say awd isn't true. I don't know why you make threads.

[RL...]

So you list a GTR that's AWD with more shit then any other "true sports car" (in your mind) but say awd isn't true. I don't know why you make threads.

I make threads why? Because so many ppl like yourself come in and bitch. I really get to you ppl and it's funny.

And if you haven't driven a gtr then you do not have a valid opinion on how fun of a car it is to drive...GTR PWNS ALL NUBCAKE

On a serious note, even porsche is lately adding electronic driving aids. (i.e. computerised traction-stability control)

[RL...]

I like subaru, because they are continuing those crazy awd non sports cars.... I also like the gtr, but the rest of nissan's lineup is ugly as fuck. I like honda's a lot, but I wouldn't buy any of their current offerings, other than an Accord V6 fully loaded, just because they're pretty quick, have ok styling, and are just all around nice.

I also like subaru, although I wish they would've kept the new sti's as sedans instead of hatchbacks...I think it looks good and unique, but I like the older models more.

I think most nissan/toyotas/hondas are ugly all together. New corollas/civics/sentras/camrys/accords/tl's/370z list goes on

[HypnoToad]

I make threads why? Because so many ppl like yourself come in and bitch. I really get to you ppl and it's funny.

And if you haven't driven a gtr then you do not have a valid opinion on how fun of a car it is to drive...GTR PWNS ALL NUBCAKE

On a serious note, even porsche is lately adding electronic driving aids. (i.e. computerised traction-stability control)

FANBOY~WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Z06 > GTR

[RL...]

FANBOY~WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Z06 > GTR

I will agree that the z06 is overall a better car. But I would buy the gtr because it is more my type of car...the styling...the engine...the interior...come on you know vettes' interiors are garbage

[81911SC]

I make threads why? Because so many ppl like yourself come in and bitch. I really get to you ppl and it's funny.

And if you haven't driven a gtr then you do not have a valid opinion on how fun of a car it is to drive...GTR PWNS ALL NUBCAKE

On a serious note, even porsche is lately adding electronic driving aids. (i.e. computerised traction-stability control)That's not the point of this thread. I was making a statement. How are other AWD cars not "true sports cars" but the GTR is?

[RL...]

That's not the point of this thread. I was making a statement. How are other AWD cars not "true sports cars" but the GTR is?

I told you I only consider FR and RR cars sports cars. The gtr is AWD so it is NOT a sports car, it's teh godzilla!!!!!!

lol


If I insinuated that it was a sports car, my b. I don't think I'm the first person to ever make a mistake so...chill....

[Mike Lowrey]

Well, to answer the question you have in the title. Toyota.

[Master Shake]

No one gives a shit about the tuner crowd. Modifying cars will be completely gone in 5 years.no it wont. people will always have the need to go fast on the streets and that alone will keep the craze going. it may not be as big. but it will never be gone.

edit: out of like 6 cars i've own, 2 of them were not a honda. my answer is pretty clear.

[okra1981]

I told you I only consider FR and RR cars sports cars. The gtr is AWD so it is NOT a sports car, it's teh godzilla!!!!!!

lol


If I insinuated that it was a sports car, my b. I don't think I'm the first person to ever make a mistake so...chill....
So you devised a way to make Nissan win this "Poll" by leaving out almost all Japanese cars by setting the requirement at FR and RR, that's retarded.
-I think that Subaru makes the best, most fun, and safest cars all around, cars that you can go camping in and goof off in in the snow/rain/off-road (slightly), the only issue is that you might pass as a lesbian while driving one.
-Honda is my second favorite, with the Fit, they have created another light/fun/convenient car all around, it's peppy and economical and I really want one about as much as a 2.5RS Impreza. Also, they make a great FWD that's reliable and will treat you well for a long ass time.
-Toyota is too damn boring, the Corolla looks nice and the Matrix (Corolla wagon) is very convenient and they are sporty enough for my needs, the only really exciting cars they make are the TC and IS available through other logos.
So I guess Nissan doesn't really make my list, the Sentra is meh even in SE-R trim, the only goods are a car I'll never afford and the 370Z (350Z included), which everyone knows is a douche-bag's car (look at Jon Gosselin as reference), I would love to have one for it's technical prowess, but I'd expect a little spittle in my coke every time I went to Wendy's.
True Story.

[01CDMLUDER]

I like Honda and Nissan as far as tuning goes (as u can see in avatar)
Toyota makes well rounded cars that seem to last and I love supra's but until they make rwd tc's available 2 me they're not one top of my list right now.
Mits and suby's are up top on my list not sure where but up top
Not sure about vdubs yet?

[91ma70]

if i have to choose from what is currently made i would have to say the EVO or WRX, but for anything older i go for toyota.

[RL...]

So you devised a way to make Nissan win this "Poll" by leaving out almost all Japanese cars by setting the requirement at FR and RR, that's retarded.
-I think that Subaru makes the best, most fun, and safest cars all around, cars that you can go camping in and goof off in in the snow/rain/off-road (slightly), the only issue is that you might pass as a lesbian while driving one.
-Honda is my second favorite, with the Fit, they have created another light/fun/convenient car all around, it's peppy and economical and I really want one about as much as a 2.5RS Impreza. Also, they make a great FWD that's reliable and will treat you well for a long ass time.
-Toyota is too damn boring, the Corolla looks nice and the Matrix (Corolla wagon) is very convenient and they are sporty enough for my needs, the only really exciting cars they make are the TC and IS available through other logos.
So I guess Nissan doesn't really make my list, the Sentra is meh even in SE-R trim, the only goods are a car I'll never afford and the 370Z (350Z included), which everyone knows is a douche-bag's car (look at Jon Gosselin as reference), I would love to have one for it's technical prowess, but I'd expect a little spittle in my coke every time I went to Wendy's.
True Story.]

This thread wasn't about nissan winning or losing...it is about how car companies are making few sports cars and are focusing on being purely economical...

Subaru's are fine cars but I do not go camping/golfing/hunting so they do not appeal to me. And they do not offer the best and most fun all around cars...that is not true at all, and I'm not 100% but I don't think they make any fwd cars....

The fit is a good car, but I am not an economical person so I could care less. I will never buy a 4 cylinder car, the minimum is 6...or in the case of a volvo s60r 5...and honda is just as boring as toyota, face it....

The 370 is ugly, but a great car...and I do not know who this jon gosselin person...so.....:thinking: But just because one douchebag drives a certain car doesn't make all drivers of that car douchebags...

You obviously favor awd cars with your love of subaru..I prefer rwd

[Z0_o6]

]

This thread wasn't about nissan winning or losing...it is about how car companies are making few sports cars and are focusing on being purely economical...

Subaru's are fine cars but I do not go camping/golfing/hunting so they do not appeal to me. And they do not offer the best and most fun all around cars...that is not true at all, and I'm not 100% but I don't think they make any fwd cars....

The fit is a good car, but I am not an economical person so I could care less. I will never buy a 4 cylinder car, the minimum is 6...or in the case of a volvo s60r 5...and honda is just as boring as toyota, face it....

The 370 is ugly, but a great car...and I do not know who this jon gosselin person...so.....:thinking: But just because one douchebag drives a certain car doesn't make all drivers of that car douchebags...

You obviously favor awd cars with your love of subaru..I prefer rwd

let me get this straight, my 4-cylinder AWD STi isn't a sports car to you?
You love RWD the best, but you bow down to the GT-R like it is the end all of cars...
And YOUR car is FWD? :thinking:


Jesus make up your fucking mind.

[RL...]

let me get this straight, my 4-cylinder AWD STi isn't a sports car to you?
You love RWD the best, but you bow down to the GT-R like it is the end all of cars...
And YOUR car is FWD? :thinking:


Jesus make up your fucking mind.

My mind is made up.

1) No, I do not consider your nor anyone elses sti a sports car.

2) I do like rwd the best. I do not bow down to the gtr, but it is one of the best cars you can buy for 80k

3) My car is fwd...so? That's the reason why I don't mod my car for performance. Going fast in a fwd car is pointless. I bought my car to take me to school and back reliably. And my car hasn't broke down yet. So get off my back. I could care less about speed right now...There will be a time and a place for when I want to get a sports car...

Now get off my nuts douchebag.

[Z0_o6]

You not considering the STi a sports car exemplifies how poor your automotive knowledge really is, period. You nullify your own opinion out of sheer ignorance. How is going fast in a FWD car pointless? Just because I get entertainment value out of the absurd answers you hopelessly fling about in an attempt to sound the slightest bit knowledgeable, because your opinions are obviously ill-informed and therefore worth less than nothing.

[yerrow]

awd NON-sports car:
porsche 997 turbo
lambo gallardo
lambo mercielago
sti
evo
any gtr r32+

really none of these are sportscars?

[Boosted FC]

Mazda, although I could give a rat's ass about that thing they call the RX8.

[TSiFTW]

My mind is made up.

1) No, I do not consider your nor anyone elses sti a sports car.

2) I do like rwd the best. I do not bow down to the gtr, but it is one of the best cars you can buy for 80k

3) My car is fwd...so? That's the reason why I don't mod my car for performance. Going fast in a fwd car is pointless. I bought my car to take me to school and back reliably. And my car hasn't broke down yet. So get off my back. I could care less about speed right now...There will be a time and a place for when I want to get a sports car...

Now get off my nuts douchebag.

I beg to differ. My Talon is FWD not AWD. You're precious GTR wouldn't stand a chance.

Just sayin:rolleyes:

[boosted b]

i still say honda

[RL...]

You not considering the STi a sports car exemplifies how poor your automotive knowledge really is, period. You nullify your own opinion out of sheer ignorance. How is going fast in a FWD car pointless? Just because I get entertainment value out of the absurd answers you hopelessly fling about in an attempt to sound the slightest bit knowledgeable, because your opinions are obviously ill-informed and therefore worth less than nothing.

I am right, you are wrong. Deal with it.

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd332/ricklee87/2.jpg

[Mike Lowrey]

I beg to differ. My Talon is FWD not AWD. You're precious GTR wouldn't stand a chance.

Just sayin:rolleyes:

:lmfao: :lmfao:

Would not stand a chance in what?

[EP3sAreFun]

You not considering the STi a sports car exemplifies how poor your automotive knowledge really is, period. You nullify your own opinion out of sheer ignorance. How is going fast in a FWD car pointless? Just because I get entertainment value out of the absurd answers you hopelessly fling about in an attempt to sound the slightest bit knowledgeable, because your opinions are obviously ill-informed and therefore worth less than nothing.
http://www.specialstage.com/wp-content/gallery/srtusa08stpr/pastrana_2008sti_stpr08_2.jpg

=/= sports car??

[takume]

this thread is becoming Subie AWD vs Nissan RWD..
Back to topic, I will pick Mazda first among all the manufactures you mention above. They still keep the miata, the best bang for the buck fun car on the market, sill improving their rotary tech, the mazda3 is among the best compact car in the market and their new cars styling is not as ugly as the other car makers IMO.

[nreggie454]

http://www.specialstage.com/wp-content/gallery/srtusa08stpr/pastrana_2008sti_stpr08_2.jpg

=/= sports car??

Duh. Rallying isn't a well respected motorsport. It is only what Scandinavians do in their AWD grandma sedans when they wish they were drifting in the almighty FR and RR sports cars.

[Joshb0809]

My mind is made up.

1) No, I do not consider your nor anyone elses sti a sports car.

2) I do like rwd the best. I do not bow down to the gtr, but it is one of the best cars you can buy for 80k

3) My car is fwd...so? That's the reason why I don't mod my car for performance. Going fast in a fwd car is pointless. I bought my car to take me to school and back reliably. And my car hasn't broke down yet. So get off my back. I could care less about speed right now...There will be a time and a place for when I want to get a sports car...

Now get off my nuts douchebag.

Im sorry but i read this and could not help but laugh..

Completely agree with you though lol.. I bought my max for the same reason...

[Z0_o6]

It seems to me the Maxima's just come with a dose of stupidity apparently then.

[D3UC3S]

LOL @ OP.....

That is all.

Reps to all who called him on his ignorance of anything related to an automobile.

[RL...]

It seems to me the Maxima's just come with a dose of stupidity apparently then.

From my experience all sti owners are dumbass white kids...that think their sti's are fast when they are not

Should've bought an evo dumbass

[Z0_o6]

From my experience all sti owners are dumbass white kids...that think their sti's are fast when they are not

Should've bought an evo dumbass

seriously? PM'ed to a mod.

[01CDMLUDER]

http://www.specialstage.com/wp-content/gallery/srtusa08stpr/pastrana_2008sti_stpr08_2.jpg

=/= sports car??


Nope....Not a 2 door

[HypnoToad]

as much as a i love STIs,i cant call it a sports car...ive never been able to call a 4dr a sportscar....but thats one thing that makes them cool thier 4dr cars that out run sportscars....id call the SVX a sportscar before a WRX/STI.

just my 2 cents

[D3UC3S]

Didn't Nissan consider the Maxima a "four door sports car"? It had 4DSC on the backseat window.

[RL...]

Didn't Nissan consider the Maxima a "four door sports car"? It had 4DSC on the backseat window.

Nissan does consider the maxima a 4 door sports car, and even has marketed the cars as such. I do not consider maximas sporys cars, they are strictly mid size sedans to me. Maxima's handle like shit and make only decent power from factory, and they're fwd which is unsuitable for a sports car.

[RL...]

as much as a i love STIs,i cant call it a sports car...ive never been able to call a 4dr a sportscar....but thats one thing that makes them cool thier 4dr cars that out run sportscars....id call the SVX a sportscar before a WRX/STI.

just my 2 cents

yup....that's not to say sti's aren't badass...I love sti's, they are the best sounding 4 cylinder engine out IMO

[RL...]

seriously? PM'ed to a mod.

lol wow you told on me......wow...:lmfao:

[quickdodge®]

From my experience all sti owners are dumbass white kids...that think their sti's are fast when they are not

Should've bought an evo dumbass

Last warning. Later, QD.

[EP3sAreFun]

So.... can FR hatchbacks be sports cars? or is this strictly FR/RR coupes?

[RL...]

Last warning. Later, QD.

Actually, I've already been warned by a mod. I do not need 2 warnings for the same offense. Thanks pumpkin.

[EP3sAreFun]

Actually, I've already been warned by a mod. I do not need 2 warnings for the same offense. Thanks pumpkin.

answer me. can hatchbacks be sports cars?

[RL...]

answer me. can hatchbacks be sports cars?

sports cars are 2 doors, not 3 doors...

[EP3sAreFun]

sports cars are 2 doors, not 3 doors...
lol oh okay then.

[The Creeper]

God damn this guy is one big fucking idiot.

[quickdodge®]

Actually, I've already been warned by a mod. I do not need 2 warnings for the same offense. Thanks pumpkin.

I warned you in another thread. SO my "last warning" stands. Remember and heed. Later, QD.

[green91]

Gees there is so much fail in this thread, there is no appropriate response.

However, a definition of a "sports car" from my favorite legitimate information source Wikipedia:


A sports car is a term used to describe a class of automobile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile), typically of two seats and two doors, with precise handling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling), brisk acceleration, sharp braking, and attractive aesthetics. A sports car makes trade offs in practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity in favor of those traits which enhance the joy of driving it.

[speedminded]

yup....that's not to say sti's aren't badass...I love sti's, they are the best sounding 4 cylinder engine out IMOAny 4 cylinder with an unequal length header will sound like a boxer, pumpkin. :slap:

[EJ25RUN]

I own an STi and i know it is not a sports car.

Anyways Nissan Tuner. I wasted my time explaining you things before so i feel me chiming in here isn't necessary.

[Z0_o6]

I own an STi and i know it is not a sports car.

Anyways Nissan Tuner. I wasted my time explaining you things before so i feel me chiming in here isn't necessary.

Now from you I WOULD like to hear your reasoning, since I know you will put a little thought into it. What is it that doesn't qualify the STi (more specifically the 04-07 models, I agree that the '08+ has been softened up a lot) as a sports car? My reasoning behind believing it IS, is due to the lack of creature comforts (mine didn't even come from the factory with a radio lol) the pretty decent power output, fantastic braking system for the price bracket, AWD and pretty good handling. I agree that, for example, my S2000 is a lot sportiER, however the STi outclasses it in most aspects stock for stock. I don't mind a debate and learning something from someone with an IQ, so please help me understand it.

[RL...]

Gees there is so much fail in this thread, there is no appropriate response.

However, a definition of a "sports car" from my favorite legitimate information source Wikipedia:

1 person with the same perspective as me ^^^

[RL...]

I own an STi and i know it is not a sports car.

Anyways Nissan Tuner. I wasted my time explaining you things before so i feel me chiming in here isn't necessary.

Your explanations are one of the few ppls i take seriously on here.

[RL...]

Now from you I WOULD like to hear your reasoning, since I know you will put a little thought into it. What is it that doesn't qualify the STi (more specifically the 04-07 models, I agree that the '08+ has been softened up a lot) as a sports car? My reasoning behind believing it IS, is due to the lack of creature comforts (mine didn't even come from the factory with a radio lol) the pretty decent power output, fantastic braking system for the price bracket, AWD and pretty good handling. I agree that, for example, my S2000 is a lot sportiER, however the STi outclasses it in most aspects stock for stock. I don't mind a debate and learning something from someone with an IQ, so please help me understand it.

This is untrue. The s2k is faster, handles better, and probably brakes better. I also think the s2k has a nicer interior.

[RL...]

Any 4 cylinder with an unequal length header will sound like a boxer, pumpkin. :slap:


....maybe....I do not have a 4 cylinder car nor research about correlations between types of header and sound output so....cool :goodjob:

On a side note I heard a porsche 911 non turbo 4s the other day at meet...and it was so loud and menacing and just badass..something about boxer engines sound great

[EJ25RUN]

Now from you I WOULD like to hear your reasoning, since I know you will put a little thought into it. What is it that doesn't qualify the STi (more specifically the 04-07 models, I agree that the '08+ has been softened up a lot) as a sports car? My reasoning behind believing it IS, is due to the lack of creature comforts (mine didn't even come from the factory with a radio lol) the pretty decent power output, fantastic braking system for the price bracket, AWD and pretty good handling. I agree that, for example, my S2000 is a lot sportiER, however the STi outclasses it in most aspects stock for stock. I don't mind a debate and learning something from someone with an IQ, so please help me understand it.

The main issue is what is classified as a sports car. At the end of the day, a car with 4 doors just isn't a sports car. That isn't to say it isn't sporty or fast. It is to classify it under its proper bracket. An SUV for example wouldn't be compared to a mini van because it is a different type of vehicle. They both perform similar functions in different ways but they are still different types of vehicles.

The STi from the very beginning was a homoligation tool used by Subaru to run in the Group A days of the WRC. Group A rules stated that if Subaru wanted to contest the championship with the Impreza STi, they would have to construct 2500 STi's within a 12 month period and these would have to come from a minimum production of 25,000 Imprezas STi or not. So....you had to be able to buy a version of this tuned Impreza in order for it to compete.

So...how does that compare to a sports car? Well, a sports car is typically a vehicle that is designed to bring excitement to a brand. Unlike the STi though, (which is an Impreza), it has to be a stand alone vehicle such as a Chevrolet Corvette.

The only real argument is whether 4 seats can be classified as a sports car because if not, then it would rule out the Porsche 911 line which by my opinion is the greatest car/sportscar ever made. A true GT car like the Aston Martin DB9 and Ferrari 599 are also not considered sports cars.

To give you more examples, the STi is not the best example of a car that could be a sports car but isn't. Ford's Escort Cosworth had two doors but was still an Escort. It was one of the greatest driving machines ever put together but it still wasn't a sports car.

[HypnoToad]

This is untrue. The s2k is faster, handles better, and probably brakes better. I also think the s2k has a nicer interior.

lol wut?

show me a stock s2k hit low 13s

[RL...]

lol wut?

show me a stock s2k hit low 13s

I can't. But I bet you can't show me an sti that runs low 13's either...

[RL...]

The main issue is what is classified as a sports car. At the end of the day, a car with 4 doors just isn't a sports car. That isn't to say it isn't sporty or fast. It is to classify it under its proper bracket. An SUV for example wouldn't be compared to a mini van because it is a different type of vehicle. They both perform similar functions in different ways but they are still different types of vehicles.

The STi from the very beginning was a homoligation tool used by Subaru to run in the Group A days of the WRC. Group A rules stated that if Subaru wanted to contest the championship with the Impreza STi, they would have to construct 2500 STi's within a 12 month period and these would have to come from a minimum production of 25,000 Imprezas STi or not. So....you had to be able to buy a version of this tuned Impreza in order for it to compete.

So...how does that compare to a sports car? Well, a sports car is typically a vehicle that is designed to bring excitement to a brand. Unlike the STi though, (which is an Impreza), it has to be a stand alone vehicle such as a Chevrolet Corvette.

The only real argument is whether 4 seats can be classified as a sports car because if not, then it would rule out the Porsche 911 line which by my opinion is the greatest car/sportscar ever made. A true GT car like the Aston Martin DB9 and Ferrari 599 are also not considered sports cars.

To give you more examples, the STi is not the best example of a car that could be a sports car but isn't. Ford's Escort Cosworth had two doors but was still an Escort. It was one of the greatest driving machines ever put together but it still wasn't a sports car.

I consider a 2 door car with 4 seats as a sports car.

[green91]

STi is faster than s2k stock for stock. I know guys that have ran high 12s with only a few bolt ons.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432553

Bunch of guys reporting 13s on stock STi.

[HypnoToad]

I can't. But I bet you can't show me an sti that runs low 13's either...

one guys i knows,that is on here...ran somewhere between 13.2-13.4 with a stock 04 STI

[RL...]

STi is faster than s2k stock for stock. I know guys that have ran high 12s with only a few bolt ons.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432553

Bunch of guys reporting 13s on stock STi.

It might be a little faster than an s2k stock...maybe....but only in 1/4 mile, on the highway the s2k will win every time stock for stock

[green91]

Have you driven both of them?! lol.

[Z0_o6]

It might be a little faster than an s2k stock...maybe....but only in 1/4 mile, on the highway the s2k will win every time stock for stock

You need to fucking understand something dipshit. I don't pull these facts out of my ass, I OWN BOTH OF THESE CARS. My STi hit low 13's bone stock, and would also pull an S2000 stock for stock. The STi weighs a bit more, HOWEVER the STi also comes with 4-piston Brembo brakes up front with 13" rotors STOCK.

The S2000 is a shit ton of fun, but the only reason it outhandles the STi is because of the weight distribution and wheelbase. It is more responsive, but I firmly believe stock for stock the STi would carry more speed through a corner.

EJ25RUN- Thanks for the information man, I really do appreciate it. I never mind learning something new. I see what you mean though, that even though the STi clearly excels when competing against "true" sports cars, it still just isn't classified the same.

[JITB]

i love mazdas

[RL...]

You need to fucking understand something dipshit. I don't pull these facts out of my ass, I OWN BOTH OF THESE CARS. My STi hit low 13's bone stock, and would also pull an S2000 stock for stock. The STi weighs a bit more, HOWEVER the STi also comes with 4-piston Brembo brakes up front with 13" rotors STOCK.

The S2000 is a shit ton of fun, but the only reason it outhandles the STi is because of the weight distribution and wheelbase. It is more responsive, but I firmly believe stock for stock the STi would carry more speed through a corner.

EJ25RUN- Thanks for the information man, I really do appreciate it. I never mind learning something new. I see what you mean though, that even though the STi clearly excels when competing against "true" sports cars, it still just isn't classified the same.

See unlike you I am not a pansy and I am not going to report you calling me a dipshit to a mod. Why? Because I could care less what you think.


Ok fine, you're right, sti's are faster stock for stock, do you want a cookie lol

Wow I can't believe you get so emotional over this...wait, yes I can...:lmfao:

[RL...]

i love mazdas

I do too

[Z0_o6]

See unlike you I am not a pansy and I am not going to report you calling me a dipshit to a mod. Why? Because I could care less what you think.


Ok fine, you're right, sti's are faster stock for stock, do you want a cookie lol

Wow I can't believe you get so emotional over this...wait, yes I can...:lmfao:

Report whatever you want dude, there is nothing racist in any of my posts. That's the only reason I even PM'ed the post to a mod is because it has a racist remark in it, and it's simply against the rules. don't like it? don't say the shit.
And I know the STi is faster than a S2000. As I said I have them both sitting in my driveway cupcake, you don't have to tell me shit I know first hand.

[RL...]

Report whatever you want dude, there is nothing racist in any of my posts. That's the only reason I even PM'ed the post to a mod is because it has a racist remark in it, and it's simply against the rules. don't like it? don't say the shit.
And I know the STi is faster than a S2000. As I said I have them both sitting in my driveway cupcake, you don't have to tell me shit I know first hand.

Following the rules...ehh? I can understand that but the fact that you told on me about something so minor really shows your immaturity

I agreed, and said ok, you're right, I'll take your word for it since I haven't really driven either car....calm down

[Z0_o6]

Following the rules...ehh? I can understand that but the fact that you told on me about something so minor really shows your immaturity

I agreed, and said ok, you're right, I'll take your word for it since I haven't really driven either car....calm down

It isn't about being immature, it's because there isn't any point to blurt out racial shit because it's the first thing you can think of. Call me anything in the book and I couldn't possibly care less, however you must agree it's crossing a line to bring in race, religion, family or whatever into a discussion about cars. I have different opinions than a lot of people, but I am not going to make personal attacks just to get my point across. I may not be pleasant or whatever, but I will never bring your race, family, kids, or whatever into the conversation because I was raised better than that.

[RL...]

It isn't about being immature, it's because there isn't any point to blurt out racial shit because it's the first thing you can think of. Call me anything in the book and I couldn't possibly care less, however you must agree it's crossing a line to bring in race, religion, family or whatever into a discussion about cars. I have different opinions than a lot of people, but I am not going to make personal attacks just to get my point across. I may not be pleasant or whatever, but I will never bring your race, family, kids, or whatever into the conversation because I was raised better than that.

I never made a racist comment towards you. I never met you, so therefore I don't know your race so how could I?

[87 Turbo II]

Mazda, I may be biased but I just really do like their lineup. And you forgot to mention the MX-5 and don't you dare say that isn't a sports car. Also, a lot of people who really have a passion for motorsport will tell you the Rx-8 drives more like a sports car than its competition. True the 8 is underpowered, but that same rotary engine is what gives it its balanced race-like chassis.

[abmobil]

I never made a racist comment towards you. I never met you, so therefore I don't know your race so how could I?

Rick you really should do better reasearch before being so sure!!!!
Sti will beat a S2K every time stock for stock!!!!!
LOLLL

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Mazda, I may be biased but I just really do like their lineup. And you forgot to mention the MX-5 and don't you dare say that isn't a sports car. Also, a lot of people who really have a passion for motorsport will tell you the Rx-8 drives more like a sports car than its competition. True the 8 is underpowered, but that same rotary engine is what gives it its balanced race-like chassis.

mazda mx-5 miata....has 2 doors, rwd=sports car....I didn't mention it because I just don't like the new ones, I think mazda lost sight of the greatnbess that they once were

As for rx-8's, I've never driven one so I have no comment about it

But mazda does have a nice linup, muchmore exciting than toyota or honda IMO

[Elbow]

Mazda, because they have a great motorsport program.

[AFSil80]

I feel Mazda has followed the 'sports car' mentality the closest. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, so bear with me.

I'm a firm believer that TRUE SPORTS CARS are 2 door, RWD, 2 seater vehicles, and have a powerband that must be respected. Corvette, most Ferraris, TVR's, etc.

That being said, look at the lineups of each Japanese manufacturer's flagship cars so we keep this on topic:

Toyota:
Supra (MKIV, for the sake of argument)- 2dr, 2+2 seater, FR - Toyota promoted it as a GT car, not a sports car. Hard to say, due to the car being overengineered, and being one of the few Japanese cars that has been able to repeatedly embarrass higher-end European cars. Plus it held the C&D braking record from it's debut in 1993 until the Carrera GT debuted in 2001. Tough call, but I'm sticking to labeling it as a GT car.
MR-2 - 2dr, 2 seater, MR - Entry level sports car. Good power, superb handling. Again, overengineered in every aspect. Probably one of the few good looking street terrorists out there, but still lacks power from the factory.

Subaru:
STi - 4 dr, 4 seater, AWD - Read EJ25run's post.

Nissan:
300ZX - 2dr, 2 seater and 2+2, FR - Tough call, due to both seating configurations. I'd lump this one in with the Supra in the GT crowd before deeming it as a true sports car.
350Z/370Z - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Sports car. Makes decent power in stock form, but we all know these cars will throw down with forced induction.
GT-R - 2dr, 2+2 seater, AWD - GT car. The Skyline family has ALYWAYS been sedan based, and like EJ25run said about the STi compared to the Impreza, the GT-R is nothing more than a standard Skyline on steroids. Not a true sports car.
240SX - 2dr, 2+2 seater, FR - Not a sports car. Entry level at best. It was never intended to have blistering high-speed performance.

Mitsubishi:
Evo - 4dr, 4 seater, AWD - Same thing as the STi and GT-R. Hopped up base model built to win races. Not a sports car.

Honda:
NSX - 2dr, 2 seater, MR - Sports car. Good power, responsive, lightweight chassis. While it may not have been the FASTEST car out of Japan, it's still a terror on the race track and street.
S2000 - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Roadster. Makes good power, but is still too underpowered to be classified as a sports car.

Mazda:
Miata - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Roadster. Lacks the power to qualify as a sports car in my books. Entry-level club racer at best.
RX-8 - 4dr, 4 seater, FR, however, Mazda proclaims it as a new-age sports car for the family. IMO, they have succeed. Lack of low end response aside, it's prowess is undeniable in the turns, and it's behavior in the upper RPM's.
RX-7 - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Sports car.

In my honest opinion, the RX-7, NSX and Z-car's are the ONLY true sports cars to ever have come out of Japan. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the Supra. But it was intended to outhandle it's competition on the race track, and it succeeded in doing so until the GT-R came along.

So yeah, let's get a REAL debate going on now. Again, this is all my opinion, I didn't build em, so don't take me TOO seriously. ;)

[Z0_o6]

Droppin' knowledge on you hoes....

Very good post! I like how it was spelled out, we may just get a decent discussion out of this afterall!! :goodjob:

[AFSil80]

And I'm actually buzzin right now, so I'm in my prime thinking mode for intArnet forum discussions.

Workin on the Nismos, and killing all the leftover beer from Saturday. There was enough ice in the cooler that it hasn't melted yet, haha. So don't expect fast responses, and as the night goes on, don't expect coherent responses, hahahaha.

[speedminded]

What Japanese models were built strictly to meet race homologation requirements? There's one for ya to determine a "sports car..."

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S2000 not a real sports car because its underpowered and it doesnt have a powerband that can be respected??

120hp/liter - how many other cars you listed, much less, other cars period, can pull that off? Naturally aspirated?

[speedminded]

S2000 not a real sports car because its underpowered and it doesnt have a powerband that can be respected??

120hp/liter - how many other cars you listed, much less, other cars period, can pull that off? Naturally aspirated?Find me an S2000 on the race track. It's FR and put in a class that it can't even begin to touch it's competitors plus it's too twitchy on a road course.

[AFSil80]

Doesn't change the fact that it's still underpowered. How many 4 cyl sports cars can you think of?

I can't think of a single one. The car was built as a response to the Miata setting the image of what a modern-day roadster should be. Honda obviously felt they could do it better (and they did) but it still doesn't classify as a sports car. It just lacks the power that's associated with sports cars like the Corvette and RX-7.

[Z0_o6]

S2000 not a real sports car because its underpowered and it doesnt have a powerband that can be respected??

120hp/liter - how many other cars you listed, much less, other cars period, can pull that off? Naturally aspirated?

Don't get butt-hurt over the FACT that the S2K is underpowered. Regardless of HP/L numbers, it's still a peaky little motor with no torque. There has never been a honda built from the factory that had adequate power for the chassis. I own one, and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that if it had around 300 whp stock, it would have been an even better car, however it would have required traction control and VSA from the get-go.

[AFSil80]

Eh, the NSX came close, but failed to deliver the performance to match it's appearance and price tag. It's still a respectable car. I blame that so-called "Gentlemen's Agreement" that the Japanese manufacturers had about limiting cars to sub-300hp numbers.

God forbid if the NSX had been boosted from the factory.

[speedminded]

Eh, the NSX came close, but failed to deliver the performance to match it's appearance and price tag. It's still a respectable car. I blame that so-called "Gentlemen's Agreement" that the Japanese manufacturers had about limiting cars to sub-300hp numbers.

God forbid if the NSX had been boosted from the factory.If the 1st gen had 390 instead of 290 from the factory it would have been evil!

[AFSil80]

It would've decimated all, if it had about $10k in parts from up the street.

[RL...]

afsil makes good points, he agrees in the sense sports cars must have 2 doors, rwd, although I think having backseats still meets the guidelines, but everyone has a different perspective.

But I started this thread because I noticed nissan is the only japanese auto maker to still make a sports car in the usa...correct me if I'm mistaken...the 370z

Toyota needs to reinvent the supra, honda the nsx, maxda the rx7

[abmobil]

afsil makes good points, he agrees in the sense sports cars must have 2 doors, rwd, although I think having backseats still meets the guidelines, but everyone has a different perspective.

But I started this thread because I noticed nissan is the only japanese auto maker to still make a sports car in the usa...correct me if I'm mistaken...the 370z

Toyota needs to reinvent the supra, honda the nsx, maxda the rx7

The 370Z is manufactured in Japan.
Did you mean sold in the USA?

[87 Turbo II]

afsil makes good points, he agrees in the sense sports cars must have 2 doors, rwd, although I think having backseats still meets the guidelines, but everyone has a different perspective.

But I started this thread because I noticed nissan is the only japanese auto maker to still make a sports car in the usa...correct me if I'm mistaken...the 370z

Toyota needs to reinvent the supra, honda the nsx, maxda the rx7
And the Miata. It'll be hard for you to convince me that the miata isn't asports car. It's based off of the the old Triumph, Lotus, and MG sports cars, it's a sporty roadster, it's got an FR layout, it's the number one most sold 2 seater of all time, it dominates at autocrosses, it's affordable, light, well balanced, zippy, and soon (apparently) there will be a coupe variant in 2012. Sure it's not a purebread track racer, but it's definitely one of the best budget sports cars of all time and the fact that it draws all its inspiration from roadsters that dominated British motorsports shows where it's true heart lies.

[AFSil80]

But it's soooo damn slow! No power! Maybe if this were still the 60's or 70's, it would fly as a sports car, but it just doesn't have any balls to keep up with today's sports cars.

Another thing I really didn't want to delve into very much was COST. Sports cars are an elite item. They aren't supposed to be for everyone to buy! Cheap performance is often times one of two things: Awful quality or slow.