Oklahoma Highway Patrol vs EMT

[cactusEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4G37Ouy164


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[choiiiiiiiii]

Here's my take on this:

Why as the ambulance's lights/sirens on if it was taking a patient to the hospital...? And because the ambulance did not have his lights on, he is required to pull over for the police officer who did have his sirens/lights on.

And the big fellow that did get arrested...he got out of the vehicle when he was not asked to...he was not the driver.who cares if he was in charge of the ambulance? if he was to do anything, he would to stay in the vehicle and tell the driver to pull over.

[NickW]

What a piece of shit. I hope he loses his job.

[choiiiiiiiii]

http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=121535&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3868690

my god i hope that the lawyer does NOT instruct the officer on what is right and wrong...

[tony]

Here's my take on this:

Why as the ambulance's lights/sirens on if it was taking a patient to the hospital...? And because the ambulance did not have his lights on, he is required to pull over for the police officer who did have his sirens/lights on.

And the big fellow that did get arrested...he got out of the vehicle when he was not asked to...he was not the driver.who cares if he was in charge of the ambulance? if he was to do anything, he would to stay in the vehicle and tell the driver to pull over.

Ever worked in a position of management? If he is in charge of the vehicle it is his responsibility to get out and address the issue regardless of if he is the driver or not.

Imagine anywhere you work and you are confronted about something you did concerning your work and your manager just went into his office, it would seem a little odd now wouldn't it?

Its hard to say who is in the wrong here, the police officer should have just written the ticket but on the flip side the EMT escalated the situation.

[choiiiiiiiii]

Ever worked in a position of management? If he is in charge of the vehicle it is his responsibility to get out and address the issue regardless of if he is the driver or not.

Imagine anywhere you work and you are confronted about something you did concerning your work and your manager just went into his office, it would seem a little odd now wouldn't it?

Its hard to say who is in the wrong here, the police officer should have just written the ticket but on the flip side the EMT escalated the situation.

that is a good and true point, however this was a traffic stop...what would happen if a police officer pulled over a regular citizen and the passenger came out of the vehicle..things would have escalated very quickly as well...


edit: and yes i have worked in a position of management..i was a roofing contractor for a little bit..if something was not right with the finished product, i dealt with it..

[SX-MAN]

apparently you didnt notice the emts pull over. they couldnt the first time cuz of the car in front of them the second time they yeilded to an emergency vehicle which is what your suposed to do... they didnt have theryre lights and sirens on becuase apparently there was no emergency.. when i was taken to the hospital after a car accident they didnt turn on their sirens and lights. they do that when ur seriously hurt excesive bleeding truama exc.... and in no situation should an officer act like this. what would happen if you put hands on a cop? so how should he be able to doit to the emt?.. i hope he looses his job the family files a claim for brutality and takes that peice of shit for all he has......and if the cop is in such a hurry to get to a scene why does he turn around and fuk with the ambalance

[quickdodge®]

Ever worked in a position of management? If he is in charge of the vehicle it is his responsibility to get out and address the issue regardless of if he is the driver or not.

I'm not so sure about that, man. And in being not sure, I can't say you're wrong, but I do think you are. From my understanding, the driver is the one responsible for everything going in the a vehicle. He is the one who allegedly violated a law.


Its hard to say who is in the wrong here, the police officer should have just written the ticket but on the flip side the EMT escalated the situation.

I believe the EMTs are ultimately to blame. Running no sirens/lights and violating the yield got them in the position to be pulled over. The police officer got out and was attempting to confront the driver and the supervisor got out of the back and did his interfering bit. And he kept interfering. If the supervisor would have just let the officer do his job, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near to the point it did get.

I for one was happy about the part the an ambulance got pulled over in the first place for driving the way he allegedly did. Too many times I see those assholes driving like they own the road. All the time. They never use signals, they never look where they're going. Wrecker truck drivers and ambulance drivers are near the worst of the worst when it comes to road etiquette. Later, QD.

[ISAtlanta300]

I'm not so sure about that, man. And in being not sure, I can't say you're wrong, but I do think you are. From my understanding, the driver is the one responsible for everything going in the a vehicle. He is the one who allegedly violated a law.

Which is true, however, this type of situation would have called for someone in charge. There is also a 'gray' area on what 'law' was violated. Both were on duty and on an emergency; the EMT did not have lights / sirens (they do this sometimes in order to 'calm' the patient, if it is not an extreme emergency i.e. if you were there and they were driving fast with sirens and lights you'd prob. think you're on the brink of dying... lol)

If anything the EMT should have 'flashed' his lights upon seeing the cop to warn him that he is on call, or at least driven with his lights on. However, the Cop was also in the wrong, from deviating from his DUTY (emergency call) to go and pick a fight.

So both are wrong in a certain way. Plus the superior was trying to tell the officer he had a patient, plus it is in his authority to find out the situation. since he was ultimately in charge and responsible for a person's life at that moment.



I believe the EMTs are ultimately to blame. Running no sirens/lights and violating the yield got them in the position to be pulled over. The police officer got out and was attempting to confront the driver and the supervisor got out of the back and did his interfering bit. And he kept interfering. If the supervisor would have just let the officer do his job, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near to the point it did get..

True, but it also begs the question on what the cop was going to do: ticket the driver? or just blow up his chest and his ego? The fact that the supervisor got out of the back of the EMT begs the question if the officer was actually going to ask what was going on or just give his usual lecture? In the article the lawyers stated that it was not until the end that it 'registered' with the cop that the EMT had a patient....which would point out that he may have been guilty of not 'listen twice, speak once'.[/QUOTE]



I for one was happy about the part the an ambulance got pulled over in the first place for driving the way he allegedly did. Too many times I see those assholes driving like they own the road. All the time. They never use signals, they never look where they're going. Wrecker truck drivers and ambulance drivers are near the worst of the worst when it comes to road etiquette. Later, QD.

Have to agree with you there.... :) Though there are exceptions.

Plus I have seen cops guilty of this practice as well; speeding and running lights, sometimes without even flashing their blue lights.....

[Maki]

I think this is where a little professional courtesy should have come in, the ambulance couldnt pull over as fast as the officer wanted, its big heavy and had a passenger, and the officer should have just let it go, i dont believe all this was needed. im sure a law suit followed. if anyone can find the outcome that would be great.

[quickdodge®]

Which is true, however, this type of situation would have called for someone in charge.

You're right right there. Good call. Later, QD.

[vonrak]

I would just hate to be the trooper and be in a serious accident or to have been shot and look up and see those two Paramedics. :2cents:

[cactusEG]

Damn I posted this a while back...

[RJ's325ITS]

I had heard it from a police officer that they have more than professional courtesy towards nurses, doctors & EMT personnel... This trooper just need some anger management... He escalated a small situation into something he wished he never had... I bet he is going to be a humble guy after losing his job and being call a loser around the U.S.

With a hint of common sense the trooper or the "idiot" as I would call it should have let them go, or escort them to the hospital; drop of the patient and them address the whole traffic indecent But I guess the lack of common sense will cost him his job..

[Greddypacked]

This cop was totally wrong. He did use wrongfull force on the EMT's and the guy responsible for the vehicle (EMT-B) had the right to jump out and explain the situation about the patient that needed to be to the hospital. If you listen in the video the EMT-B said that's fine if you arrest me but let us take this patient to the hospital and take action there when that EMT-b did nothing wrong. An ambulance/firetruck are probably the two biggest emergency vehicles out there especially w/ a patient in the back and this cop is acting like his cop car is bigger and more important because the ambulance couldnt get over that split second to allow passage. A cop w/ his lights on driving to a emergency doesnt have to pull over a passengered ambulance w/ a patient and act like that. The right cop would wait for the safest time and pass. If he didnt have a cow up his a$$ the cop would have waited maybe a few extra seconds for the ambulance/EMT to pull over when they could and not be wasting both of there times when they both needed to get to where they needed to be. If i was the lawyer i would make this cop take anger management and either get a huge suspension or fired. They are on the same side, no cop in his right mind would do that to a EMT/paramedic/fireman that saves lives for a living COME ON already.