Help me choose between these 3!

[Frög]

This is for conceal carry.. I am no pistol expert, and any advice would be greatly appreciated!! I am split between these 3 choices:

Glock 27:
Leaning towards this one. Only thing, I doubt I would carry +1 even with a hard holster..
http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/images-guide/Glock-27.jpg

Beretta PX4 .40:
Holds more rounds, will carry +1.. Most expensive of the three, but only by ~$50..
http://www.arcimboldeb.com/img/eventi/armi2/3.jpg


Keltect:
Half the price of the other guns, seems to be a good gun..
http://www.pistolmikes.com/Pistols/p40-large.gif

[Frög]

Keltec P40 btw

[n2daizo123]

I carry a glock 36 +1 daily if that helps. I have no experience with the others.

[TicketRedBB6]

Why do you doubt you'd carry +1 with the glock? Is it because of the safety only being on the trigger?

[Frög]

Yeah, LOL I know someone who accidentally shot himself in the leg..

[TicketRedBB6]

Oh really? I figured it would be really hard to shoot yourself since the trigger has to be pulled, but I guess anything can happen. I don't have a glock myself but I want the 23, just the next size up .40. Several people I have known have had glocks and never had a problem with it going off.

[Frög]

^ the trigger is so damn light! But idk, maybe I could carry +1

[Danny]

an unloaded gun is usless (non chambered). I like my 27 for daily carry, and i carry chambered with a full mag.

The people that shoot themselves usually do 1 or 2 things:
- finger inside the trigger guard while upholstering
- clothing inside the holster snags the trigger when upholstering

[TicketRedBB6]

If it were always on your side, I don't see it being a problem. Now if you constantly move it from your house, to in your car, to on your holster, etc, then that allows a lot more room to possibly pull the trigger.

[Danny]

If it were always on your side, I don't see it being a problem. Now if you constantly move it from your house, to in your car, to on your holster, etc, then that allows a lot more room to possibly pull the trigger.


there is an easy solution to all AD's. DONT PRESS THE TRIGGER! simple yet effect fix.

[Frög]

^ lol yeah

Ok so 27 seems to be winning..

[Truegiant]

I dont believe in the AD concept. There are no accidents. ONLY NEGLIGENCE. Thats why I believe there all ND's.


I believe someone around here has a sig that says all plastic belongs in your wallet.. haha..

Have you looked into/held any of the airweight series of revolvers? They are way lighter, will shoot plus p rounds, handle very well, etc.. etc..

Anywho.. which ever way you go. Make sure you go to a store that will allow you to shoot the gun before you buy it. If not make sure you have a firm understanding with them that if you dont like it you can bring it back. Most places that have rentals will have all of those that you have listed above. Go shoot a couple of boxes and let us know what you decide.

[Danny]

you forgot to put a bobtail commander on your list.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/CommBobtailIONBDenham-2.jpg

[Danny]

I dont believe in the AD concept. There are no accidents. ONLY NEGLIGENCE. Thats why I believe there all ND's.




excellent point

[Truegiant]

you forgot to put a bobtail commander on your list.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/CommBobtailIONBDenham-2.jpg


I saw what his price range was and didnt feel there was a realistic way to hit that goal with a bobtail. Unless he is willing to suck alot of dick. haha.

[Danny]

I saw what his price range was and didnt feel there was a realistic way to hit that goal with a bobtail. Unless he is willing to suck alot of dick. haha.


sometimes all we need to increase our price range is the proper motivation. In this case a sex load of 1911 porn :D

(not sure if it will work though)

[Truegiant]

have you gotten final pricing on putting yours together yet?

[Frög]

Yeah, that's a hefty price!

[Frög]

I'll go shoot them this coming week..

[81911SC]

I say an xd out of those three. :D

[Frög]

^ i knew it! hahaha

[81911SC]

LOL well I Glocks didn't feel like a shit brick in my hand then maybe. Lol

[Truegiant]

I like the slim frame glocks better than the xd's.

[WickedIXMR]

I say an xd out of those three. :D
I was going to say the same thing. I got an xd-9 subcompact and really like it. If you're really worried about carrying +1 then you'd probably like the xd's. They have a trigger safety like the glock's and a handgrip safety where you actually have to hold the grip firmly or else it won't shoot. So keep that in mind when trying to choose a sub compact or compact handgun. Plus I think the xd's look a ton better then the glock's and everyone and their mom's have a glock!

PS: The xd's also has a feature where it indicates if the gun is cocked (not sure if glock has that) and a feature that lets you know if the gun is chambered.

Have you thought about sig's? I've held a sig and it was probably the most comfortable handgun I've held. Probably the next gun I will purchase.

[ueyedgr8tness]

I say carry a 380 for cheap and alot smaller unless u want to handle alot of paper work on the bigger guns far as the aftermath of shooting some 1.I no alot of ppl are not into revolvers but if you want a small gun with alot of pack...
http://steelturman.typepad.com/thesteeldeal/2007/02/here_come_da_th.html

if your just stuck on getting a compact and want something for a decent price these guy's make a decent gun and they seem to hold well if you keep them clean after shooting..
http://www.glockworld.com/Item.aspx?PID=52222

[Truegiant]

I say carry a 380 for cheap and alot smaller unless u want to handle alot of paper work on the bigger guns far as the aftermath of shooting some 1.I no alot of ppl are not into revolvers but if you want a small gun with alot of pack...
http://steelturman.typepad.com/thesteeldeal/2007/02/here_come_da_th.html

if your just stuck on getting a compact and want something for a decent price these guy's make a decent gun and they seem to hold well if you keep them clean after shooting..
http://www.glockworld.com/Item.aspx?PID=52222


wow.. what the fuck are you talking about? More paperwork after shooting? I am assuming you mean there would be more paperwork after shooting someone with a 45 versus a 380? You have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

You mentioned for him to get a revolver. That is a great idea. You give him a link to a taurus judge. That is probably one of the largest framed revolvers you can get.

So in one thread you managed to give the worst two bits of advice i have heard all day.

Thanks

[81911SC]

I'm sorry but I'd avoid stay ups post, frog.

[VTECking]

Id trust any glock over any beretta, especially over any kel-tec too.

[GSRteg®]

Ever considered Taurus PT140?

[AnthonyF]

C'mon frenchy, we know you're loaded. But something expensive you rich bitch. :goodjob:

-Ant.

[Danny]

C'mon frenchy, we know you're loaded. But something expensive you rich bitch. :goodjob:

-Ant.


Ya balls up frenchy! 1911 time! :D

[Truegiant]

PUSSY!

[DerrickT]

I ccw my G26 with a clipdraw and saf-t-blok. +1 hit me up and I will meet up with you around town (if you still in athens) and I will let you see how you like that set up.

EDIT: I am very happy with the 26, I wish I would have went with the 27... but 9mm is a little more pleasant to shoot recreationally, not to mention cheaper. I still wish I would have went with the .40

[Frög]

HAHAHAH I can't justify spending that much on a handgun! That bobtail commander is SICK, however, I could buy a motorcycle for that!! :eek:

I went to the range today, shot the G27 and the xd.. I really liked both!

I am no longer considering the Px4, I still need to try the p40 keltec, and I will look into revolvers (please guide me)..

[Danny]

HAHAHAH I can't justify spending that much on a handgun! That bobtail commander is SICK, however, I could buy a motorcycle for that!! :eek:

I went to the range today, shot the G27 and the xd.. I really liked both!

I am no longer considering the Px4, I still need to try the p40 keltec, and I will look into revolvers (please guide me)..


but lets be logical about it frenchy! A motorcycle on average is only good for killing/maiming its owner. A 1911 bobtail on the other hand is on average good for killing those who wish you harm. Now, whats the obvious choice here? The 1911 of course :D

[Frög]

^ HAHAHA When you look at it from that perspective, stupid me for even considering a motorcycle!!

[Danny]

^ HAHAHA When you look at it from that perspective, stupid me for even considering a motorcycle!!


ya stupid you. lol

1911s are wayyy sexier that motorcycles too. and they get more chicks.


ok now im just bullshittin

[Frög]

LOL

so, what revolvers do you guys recommend?

[Danny]

LOL

so, what revolvers do you guys recommend?

a 1911.

[Frög]

^ hahah you're impossible..

[81911SC]

I'd stick to s&w j frames. Airweight 38 special or .357 mag

[Jaimecbr900]

The G27 is going to be clear winner IMO out of those 3. I carry a G26 quite often, in +1 config, w/o a single worry. It's all in how you handle your hardware.

For the money you'll spend on a good revolver, you should stick to the G27 for many reasons. I sometimes carry a revolver on an ankle holster as back-up. Even with +P, it's not what I would prefer to have if the chips are down. Don't get me wrong, it will get the job done for sure, but I have many other better choices to grab first.

You can pick up a G27 for $500 or less, especially if used. I have a G26 and a G32 and like them both a lot.

Good luck on your choice. :goodjob:

P.S. I have no clue what the correlation is between "more paperwork" and a .380 as a choice. Please explain because that made zero sense at all. :thinking:

[Danny]

The G27 is going to be clear winner IMO out of those 3. I carry a G26 quite often, in +1 config, w/o a single worry. It's all in how you handle your hardware.

For the money you'll spend on a good revolver, you should stick to the G27 for many reasons. I sometimes carry a revolver on an ankle holster as back-up. Even with +P, it's not what I would prefer to have if the chips are down. Don't get me wrong, it will get the job done for sure, but I have many other better choices to grab first.

You can pick up a G27 for $500 or less, especially if used. I have a G26 and a G32 and like them both a lot.

Good luck on your choice. :goodjob:

P.S. I have no clue what the correlation is between "more paperwork" and a .380 as a choice. Please explain because that made zero sense at all. :thinking:


adventure outdoors has 27s all the time for 400$ used. not shabby. its how i bought mine. Allthough the front night sight on mine is out, whihc i need to replace. different thread :D

[Frög]

great advice!! Thanks guys! I am really feeling this G27..

[Jaimecbr900]

adventure outdoors has 27s all the time for 400$ used. not shabby. its how i bought mine. Allthough the front night sight on mine is out, whihc i need to replace. different thread :D

Not the same thing, but I just saw a G22 for $325 used on another site. I might pick that one up. On that same site, they regularly have Glocks from NIB to used from that $325 to just shy of $500. Adventure Outdoors does have a ton of inventory at very good prices. :goodjob:

[Frög]

^ what site?

[DerrickT]

a 1911.

lol My dad has a taurus .38 special ultra-lite. Its cool, but I prefer my G26.

[DerrickT]

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131608285

danny will be proud of you...

[Danny]

yumm.. DO IT FRENCHY!

[allmotoronly]

Hey frog I've owned tons of pistols. I currently own a glock 27 as my CC, and have been very happy with it so far. It's light and small, and is actually fairly accurate for a semi auto pistol with a short barrel. I've never had good luck with beretta's, and kel-tecs are crap in my opinion.

[NickW]

I've always liked Glocks...untill I started shooting XDs that is. Out of the three, XD FTW. A revolver is also a really good choice for a CCW. I would def recommend a revolver if you're not experienced with hand guns too. Even though my XD has never jammed (knock on wood), I'd rather have the reliability of a revolver if I needed to pull it and shoot. And as far as revolver, I like a S&W or Ruger .357. They can shoot .38 for cheap target practice. Good luck.

[Jaimecbr900]

I've always liked Glocks...untill I started shooting XDs that is. Out of the three, XD FTW. A revolver is also a really good choice for a CCW. I would def recommend a revolver if you're not experienced with hand guns too. Even though my XD has never jammed (knock on wood), I'd rather have the reliability of a revolver if I needed to pull it and shoot. And as far as revolver, I like a S&W or Ruger .357. They can shoot .38 for cheap target practice. Good luck.

Umm, the XD wasn't a choice.....:thinking:

A jam is only caused by one of 3 things wrong: Dirty weapon (your fault), very bad ammo (again, your fault), and mechanical malfunction of the weapon (may or may not be your fault). I'd venture to say that I've shot, in my lifetime which is ancient compared to most of you:D , hundreds of thousands of rounds in so many different weapons that I couldn't even begin to count. I've NEVER had a "jam" that couldn't be cleared in a matter of seconds. True, if the chips are down, you want zero jams, but if even mediocre weapons are not prone to jamming IF you recognize the weapon's weakness. For example, I have a POS little .25 that my wife wanted because it had PINK grips:rolleyes: . It can't feed a HP to save it's life. So guess what? I only shoot FMJ out of it. Never jams on those. It's a POS gun that I'd NEVER carry for self-defense, so it doesn't matter to me. Point is that I've shot, found it's weakness, and worked around it. There are very simple things that can be done to most semi-automatics to help them feed more reliably and avoid the dreaded ammo sensitive situation. Besides, you can usually clear a jam by racking the slide back hard and raking a new round in. The only exception is if the gun is having mechanical malfunction, such as bad ejectors or double feed.

Anyway, that's my :2cents: . Get the Glock and you'll be perfectly fine. :goodjob:

[AnthonyF]

^ HAHAHA When you look at it from that perspective, stupid me for even considering a motorcycle!!

Get a bike so you can roll with me and Kris.

-Ant.

[NickW]

Umm, the XD wasn't a choice.....:thinking:




Ya...ummm...I didn't know I had to completely clarify ;) , but I was saying out of the three listed, I think an XD is a better choice. I think someone on the 1st page said the same too.

I agree with your paragraph about "jams", but from what I've gathered, the OP isn't really experienced with guns. So while you (aka an experienced person) can quickly clear a jam (or prevent them, like you were saying), it's an even bigger preventive to just have a revolver. But that's just my :2cents: as well.

Out of the 3 that are listed though, I would go with the Glock.

[patrick4588]

i just dont like how small the 27 feels. i carry a 29 and its bigger and fits my hand a lot better. i did however get the sf version so its similar to a 27 in width. i do like the glocks and they are very reliable and can survive some serious torture.
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90
the glocks have the loaded round indicator just like the xd does as well. Out of those, id definiately take the 27; i just feel like its too small. Have you handled possibly a 23?

[Truegiant]

Umm, the XD wasn't a choice.....:thinking:

A jam is only caused by one of 3 things wrong: Dirty weapon (your fault), very bad ammo (again, your fault), and mechanical malfunction of the weapon (may or may not be your fault). I'd venture to say that I've shot, in my lifetime which is ancient compared to most of you:D , hundreds of thousands of rounds in so many different weapons that I couldn't even begin to count. I've NEVER had a "jam" that couldn't be cleared in a matter of seconds. True, if the chips are down, you want zero jams, but if even mediocre weapons are not prone to jamming IF you recognize the weapon's weakness. For example, I have a POS little .25 that my wife wanted because it had PINK grips:rolleyes: . It can't feed a HP to save it's life. So guess what? I only shoot FMJ out of it. Never jams on those. It's a POS gun that I'd NEVER carry for self-defense, so it doesn't matter to me. Point is that I've shot, found it's weakness, and worked around it. There are very simple things that can be done to most semi-automatics to help them feed more reliably and avoid the dreaded ammo sensitive situation. Besides, you can usually clear a jam by racking the slide back hard and raking a new round in. The only exception is if the gun is having mechanical malfunction, such as bad ejectors or double feed.

Anyway, that's my :2cents: . Get the Glock and you'll be perfectly fine. :goodjob:


Hundreds of thousands huh. How old are you? Where all those rounds recreational or hunting/sporting? Just curious

[Jaimecbr900]

Hundreds of thousands huh. How old are you? Where all those rounds recreational or hunting/sporting? Just curious

I'm 39. I've hunted since I was a teen. I was in Law Enforcement for a short stint. I used to collect guns.....actually that was the excuse I used to justify to my wife why I had so many of them...:D :lmfao: I also used to compete, rather heavily, in both USPSA and Pin shooting competitions. I used to have a pretty cool setup for reloading all my own stuff just for those competitions. I competed in both rimfire and big bore competitions. I still have my rimfire "race gun" (not really a race gun though), which is just a Browning Buckmark 5.5 with a Red Dot and a little trigger and ramp work to speed it up.

So yes, I'd venture to guess that I have shot quite a few rounds so far......;)

[koukis14]

I have a Glock 26 and it's a Glock. Don't rule out the Sig 239 or the Walther PPS.

[allmotoronly]

I've always liked Glocks...untill I started shooting XDs that is. Out of the three, XD FTW. A revolver is also a really good choice for a CCW. I would def recommend a revolver if you're not experienced with hand guns too. Even though my XD has never jammed (knock on wood), I'd rather have the reliability of a revolver if I needed to pull it and shoot. And as far as revolver, I like a S&W or Ruger .357. They can shoot .38 for cheap target practice. Good luck.

I've owned both glock's and XD's. To me the XD seems a little unbalanced compared to glocks. That's why I carry my glock 27 as my CC instead of my XDM-.40. The XDM stays in the safe and is usually only shot by friends when we go shooting and they don't have anything to shoot...

[Truegiant]

A jam is only caused by one of 3 things wrong: Dirty weapon (your fault), very bad ammo (again, your fault), and mechanical malfunction of the weapon (may or may not be your fault).

So where does limp wristing fall into your category of three?
Mechanical mulfunction of the person?

Glad to know there are other people out there that like to shoot.


Like I have said a million times before. I dont recommend making a choice until you have shot one yourself.

[JayL]

ok, im speaking from the experience of kel-tecs. i own the PF-9 and carry it daily. i also have shot the kel-tec .32,.380, and the 40. they are all great shooting guns for protection, and in comparison are lighter and smaller than many of the other guns available(and you dont pay a higher price.)
if you are wanting a gun to really put a LOT of rounds through at the range, stay away from the kel-tec. that is not what it is made for and will not hold up long term.
i am about to make a purchase of a 40 and have looked at the glock, baretta, taurus and sig. i like the way the glock shoots, but i appreciate the sig and baretta a little more, and a taurus is cheaper.. so i am in some what the same situation you are in deciding between a few different guns

[deathrex]

Keltec is a pile. Gun shops will sell them very few will buy them back. Id say a kahr or possibly a walther ppks. I carry a glock 23 daily. Sometimes switch it up between other guns i own. But from whats on your list id say the glock is the one to go with. Definately check out Kahr and Walther since from what ive seen your looking for a small frame gun.

[SiRed94]

i just dont like how small the 27 feels. i carry a 29 and its bigger and fits my hand a lot better. i did however get the sf version so its similar to a 27 in width. i do like the glocks and they are very reliable and can survive some serious torture.
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90
the glocks have the loaded round indicator just like the xd does as well. Out of those, id definiately take the 27; i just feel like its too small. Have you handled possibly a 23?

They make a baseplate extender that goes on the bottom of glock 27 mags that is an extension for the pinky. And it allows you to hold 1 extra round. It makes the 27 feel a lot better in your hands. I say go with the glock 27 out of those personally.

I bought a Kel-Tec P3AT for concealed carry a while back because my M&P showed pretty bad through the clothes in summer time. But I ended up getting rid of the Kel-Tec for a few reasons, and I just got a better, more concealable holster for my HK. I can conceal my fullsize 40 without you knowing it was there and can still draw it with ease.