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stillaneon
06-11-2009, 04:25 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124474789599707175.html



WASHINGTON -- The Senate overwhelmingly passed historic legislation Thursday that puts the tobacco industry under the regulation of the Food (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124474789599707175.html#) and Drug Administration.

Companies are weighing the impact of the bill, which they say also puts severe, perhaps unconstitutional, restrictions on advertising and packaging (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124474789599707175.html#). Those limits, they worry, could undo business plans based on smokeless tobacco products, which they have been developing in anticipation of this day.

Former FDA Commissioner David Kessler, who spearheaded the original effort to treat the nicotine in tobacco as a drug, hailed the Senate vote of 79-17. "It's as strong a bill as we could have ever imagined," he said.

He said the industry fees mandated by the bill to pay for FDA regulation will enable the regulator to strictly enforce new rules, such as a ban on candy- and fruit-flavored cigarettes. "With $600 [million] to $700 million from industry to support it, I think the administration can set it up."

Critics said the bill will establish a new federal bureaucracy and unfairly benefit Philip Morris USA, a unit of Altria Group (http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=mo) Inc., which dominates U.S. cigarette sales. Sen. Richard Burr (R., N.C.) said restrictions in the bill will hinder smaller companies from introducing new products.

In a statement, Altria praised the legislation overall, saying it will require all tobacco makers to operate "at the same high standards." The company said, however, that it has First Amendment concerns about some advertising curbs. Industry officials said lawsuits could tie the legislation down.

Since 1998, the industry has spent nearly $308 million in lobbying to block the bill. Cigarette makers have seen sales shrink in the past decade. They have been operating under some advertising restrictions that were part of their 1999 settlement with 46 states, led by Mississippi, which sued the companies for costs from tobacco-related deaths and illnesses.

One key question is whether the bill's advertising restrictions will undo industry efforts to compensate for declining cigarette sales by moving aggressively into smokeless products. Several companies have begun developing snus -- spit-free smokeless tobacco in pouches -- and dissolvable tobacco pellets. Reynolds American Inc. is marketing Camel Snus nationwide, using the name of one of its best brands, and testing its Camel Orbs -- dissolvable tobacco pellets -- in limited markets.

Philip Morris USA recently spent $10.3 billion to acquire the largest smokeless tobacco maker, UST Inc., known for brands like Copenhagen and Skoal. And, after some disappointing results with some early versions of snus and moist tobacco products, the company has introduced a new Marlboro Snus in limited markets.

While controversial, some research shows that smokeless tobacco products may be less harmful because they generally contain fewer carcinogens than cigarettes and don't enter the lungs.

Companies had hoped the bill would make it easier to advertise the lower risk of the smokeless products. But the new regulations still don't allow smokeless-tobacco makers to say their products are healthier unless they can prove that to the FDA.

The regulations also require makers to pull from the market products that were introduced after February 2007, which could hurt some dissolvable tobacco pellets and strips. Some snus products will likely be exempt because similar pouches were on sale before that date.

This bill "could significantly chill the introduction or commercialization of new tobacco products that have significantly lower risks than cigarettes," said Tommy Payne, a Reynolds spokesman.

The new ban on candy- and fruit-flavored cigarettes isn't expected to have a big financial impact. Menthol cigarettes are initially exempt from the ban because of demands from the Congressional Black Caucus. About 75% of African-American smokers buy menthol brands.

The FDA is required to set up an advisory panel that will report within a year on whether menthol should be banned.

The FDA has to begin hiring scientists and reviewers who can deal with tobacco issues, and must name the head of the new tobacco division. One potential candidate is current Deputy Secretary for Health and Human Services Bill Corr, who was previously the lobbyist for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. FDA Deputy Commissioner Joshua Sharfstein was a proponent of the bill and worked on antitobacco issues for Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.), the legislation's lead sponsor in the House.

There was a note of sadness during the Senate roll call because the bill's lead sponsor, Sen. Edward Kennedy (D., Mass.), is gravely ill and couldn't come to the Senate to vote.

RandomGuy
06-12-2009, 12:56 PM
The new ban on candy- and fruit-flavored cigarettes isn't expected to have a big financial impact. Menthol cigarettes are initially exempt from the ban because of demands from the Congressional Black Caucus. About 75% of African-American smokers buy menthol brands.

LOL

no more grape swishers and potes

F8d2Blk
06-12-2009, 01:14 PM
Seems as if the government is about to own everything. Whats next? When is enough, enough?

eraser4g63
06-13-2009, 02:09 PM
Dont forget the Government always knows what is best for you.....

green91
06-13-2009, 05:47 PM
I dont think the gov't has the right to govern the tobacco industry, but i will say it wouldnt hurt my feelings to not have to smell any more smoke or see dip spit again.

_Christian_
06-13-2009, 05:49 PM
Dont forget the Government always knows what is best for you.....:yes: Of course..

RedEj8
06-14-2009, 12:23 AM
Welcome to Socialism, comrades.

Vteckidd
06-14-2009, 12:31 AM
retarded, if i want to smoke and die of cancer let me do it in peace.

I agree they should be allowed and market cigarettes to children and sell them to kids underage. I have no problem with that. But if i want a smoke grap flavored cigs at 18 years old, FUCK OFF.

What is so god damn funny is they will keep running Mohito, Bacardi, Dos Equis ads i bet. Lets face it alcohol is just as bad as cigarettes but they are allowed TV advertising.

Go to any highschool right now or college, underage drinking is a huge problem

BanginJimmy
06-14-2009, 09:07 AM
retarded, if i want to smoke and die of cancer let me do it in peace.

I agree they should be allowed and market cigarettes to children and sell them to kids underage. I have no problem with that. But if i want a smoke grap flavored cigs at 18 years old, FUCK OFF.

What is so god damn funny is they will keep running Mohito, Bacardi, Dos Equis ads i bet. Lets face it alcohol is just as bad as cigarettes but they are allowed TV advertising.

Go to any highschool right now or college, underage drinking is a huge problem


The health costs incurred by smokers has a very real impact on everyone else though. Legislation needs to be passed that would allow a smoker to be denied, or pay an additional smokers fee by their insurance company. Maybe if a smoker pays an extra $15 a week for their insurance it will help to reduce the costs for some of us.

Frög
06-14-2009, 09:24 AM
Cigarettes & alcohol are way worst than pot..

I got ninja'ed

Vteckidd
06-14-2009, 09:29 AM
The health costs incurred by smokers has a very real impact on everyone else though. Legislation needs to be passed that would allow a smoker to be denied, or pay an additional smokers fee by their insurance company. Maybe if a smoker pays an extra $15 a week for their insurance it will help to reduce the costs for some of us.
respectfully.....bullshit. Smokers pay more for health insurance already. My policy went from $125 to $177 a month because I smoke.

It's just like car insurance if you are abigger risk you pay more.

green91
06-14-2009, 09:36 AM
Yeah except for the fact that insurance isn't based on one person, its pooled risk.

BanginJimmy
06-14-2009, 12:50 PM
respectfully.....bullshit. Smokers pay more for health insurance already. My policy went from $125 to $177 a month because I smoke.

It's just like car insurance if you are abigger risk you pay more.

Are you self insured or through a group plan though? As far as I know there is no health assessments in a group plan such as through a company. I know that none of the plans I have been part of have asked any type of health questions before I was covered.

speedminded
06-14-2009, 06:52 PM
Are you self insured or through a group plan though? As far as I know there is no health assessments in a group plan such as through a company. I know that none of the plans I have been part of have asked any type of health questions before I was covered.I've seen several life insurance companies do swab tests for tobacco usage, me included. I'm not sure about health insurance though...

I see no reason why the FDA would not regulate anything a person intakes.

Vteckidd
06-14-2009, 07:00 PM
Are you self insured or through a group plan though? As far as I know there is no health assessments in a group plan such as through a company. I know that none of the plans I have been part of have asked any type of health questions before I was covered.
ahh I apolagize then I am self insured.

BanginJimmy
06-14-2009, 07:57 PM
I've seen several life insurance companies do swab tests for tobacco usage, me included. I'm not sure about health insurance though...

Life insurance and health insurance are 2 completely different animals though. They have a completely different set of rules to guide risk management and premiums.


I see no reason why the FDA would not regulate anything a person intakes.


Nor do I. If you ask me, tobacco and alcohol fall definitively within the scope of the FDA.

BanginJimmy
06-14-2009, 08:02 PM
ahh I apolagize then I am self insured.


Significantly higher risk when you have a single payer. This is also why group plans are getting to be so expensive.



I was briefly told of a company that went to court for discrimination as they were immediately disqualifying people for jobs solely on the basis of their smoking. I never heard how it ended though.

Makes sense to me though. There are several studies that show smokers are less productive than non smokers. They take longer and extra breaks on top of time out of work for smoking related health problems.

http://ehstoday.com/health/ehs_imp_39313/

Hektik
06-14-2009, 08:21 PM
"America Fuckyea"

lol but seriously. I have no problem with the FDA having a look at what cigarette companies are putting into my cigarettes. It just makes it a little easier for me to kill myself with cancer and blame it on the government...