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ok so i have been thinking of building a car that i can drive day to day but still do decent in autocross events and i wanted your opinion on what car is good start i have only done 2 autocross events and absoulutly loved both and now im looking at buying another car something thats better and gas but can handle decently so im coming to you guys for advice even tho i think the miata is probaly going to be the most pointed out but i wanted to see from the gurus what else is out there that is cheap :goodjob:
Let the discussion bein....
99hatch
05-21-2009, 01:28 PM
CRX with all the sway bars and everything suspension wise. Just a suggestion.
eg mike
05-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Honda
slostang
05-21-2009, 02:13 PM
88-91 civic.
/thread.
SampaGuy
05-21-2009, 02:17 PM
Look at the results from the last nationals. Make a list of cars from the -S, -ST, -SP, or whatever else classes that you like/fit your budget to research and compare.
get a 87 and older CRX.. those cars are beast on the handling aspect. light, good on gas... That's what I would get...
Sammich
05-21-2009, 02:21 PM
S2000...THOSE AND THE YARIS ARE SOME HARDCORE FUN VEHICLES :goodjob:
how about the 93+ 4 door civics
Look at the results from the last nationals. Make a list of cars from the -S, -ST, -SP, or whatever else classes that you like/fit your budget to research and compare.
good idea never thought of that going to do it right now :goodjob:
F8d2Blk
05-21-2009, 02:49 PM
91 civic si, want to buy mine?
87 Turbo II
05-21-2009, 02:51 PM
Miata
Mx3
CRX
Mazdaspeed Protege
Mr2 (first gen)
slostang
05-21-2009, 02:54 PM
how about the 93+ 4 door civics
i had a 95 sedan that i autocrossed once. way too much body roll and understeer for my taste. it was a fun car overall but slightly unpredictable at times.
sohc, or dohc pref the dohc.. you can always throw a dohc head on a sohc.
Or hell even throw a stratus 2.4 in one..for chump change.
cheap to fix tons of aftermarket, cheap to buy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/%2797-%2799_Dodge_Neon_Sport_Coupe.jpg/800px-%2797-%2799_Dodge_Neon_Sport_Coupe.jpg
BB1_Luda
05-21-2009, 03:15 PM
2000-2001 Prelude Type SH.
Good DD and good in the corners.
Doppelgänger
05-21-2009, 03:25 PM
The first gen Neon (ACR or R/T if you can get one) is actually a VERY good car.
It also depends on what you want to do to the car. Like a CRX..yeah, it can be a good ST car..but let's say you want to boost it or do other mods that ST might not allow, and you'll quickly be in SSM.
Hop over to www.soloatlanta.com and look through the results lists to see what everyone is using, also go through the rulebook and see what is and is not allowed.
NewGen33
05-21-2009, 03:26 PM
E30/E36 BMW
nreggie454
05-21-2009, 03:44 PM
Miata, Mini, etc. Think "nimble" cars, and those are good for AX.
Or, whatever car you get, get it STOCK. Then race at least one full season with it completely STOCK so you can establish your fundamentals. Many mods only hide bad driving techniques and can start bad habits if good ones weren't already in place. Ride or co-drive with experienced drivers and ask as many questions as you can to learn proper habits. When you feel you and your car have about the same limits, buy mods ONE AT A TIME. Learn the new limits of your car and continue this process SLOWLY. Also, be well versed with the rule book so that the mods you do get will allow you to be in a class in which you will still be competitive.
Do not use a swapped Honda because this will put you in SM or SM2, which is a class for people with DEEP pockets, high HP and highly prepped cars.
Miata, Mini, etc. Think "nimble" cars, and those are good for AX.
Or, whatever car you get, get it STOCK. Then race at least one full season with it completely STOCK so you can establish your fundamentals. Many mods only hide bad driving techniques and can start bad habits if good ones weren't already in place. Ride or co-drive with experienced drivers and ask as many questions as you can to learn proper habits. When you feel you and your car have about the same limits, buy mods ONE AT A TIME. Learn the new limits of your car and continue this process SLOWLY. Also, be well versed with the rule book so that the mods you do get will allow you to be in a class in which you will still be competitive.
Do not use a swapped Honda because this will put you in SM or SM2, which is a class for people with DEEP pockets, high HP and highly prepped cars.
nicly said and good information thank you and yes i want something 100% stock so i can learn the car and my bad habbits :crazy:
E30/E36 BMW
ya i woudnt mine and older e30 hell i almost traded my srt for one but the timing belt broke on it before i could come look at it :(
The first gen Neon (ACR or R/T if you can get one) is actually a VERY good car.
It also depends on what you want to do to the car. Like a CRX..yeah, it can be a good ST car..but let's say you want to boost it or do other mods that ST might not allow, and you'll quickly be in SSM.
Hop over to www.soloatlanta.com (http://www.soloatlanta.com/) and look through the results lists to see what everyone is using, also go through the rulebook and see what is and is not allowed.
good idea im going to look at both right now i have been reading all the rules and what not for the last hour or so :cheers:
i had a 95 sedan that i autocrossed once. way too much body roll and understeer for my taste. it was a fun car overall but slightly unpredictable at times.
thats what i was thinking alot of body roll and heavy for a honda but wasnt sure and was curious cause there was alot of cheap ones on craigslist
91 civic si, want to buy mine?
how much?
cornercarver78
05-21-2009, 03:59 PM
1st gen mr2. I'm looking for one, and if you buy it out from under me i'll stab you in the neck with a fork.
^ LOL.............. :surrender
Cool Cat Racing
05-21-2009, 06:37 PM
2000-2001 Prelude Type SH.
Good DD and good in the corners.
That makes me laugh, apparently you don't autocross much if you think thats a good car. I'm with everyone else, CRX's are hard to beat and so are the neons. You can do all kinds of things, they both do quite well in ST classes, and they're cheap with good gas mileage.
Doppelgänger
05-21-2009, 07:40 PM
Do not use a swapped Honda because this will put you in SM or SM2, which is a class for people with DEEP pockets, high HP and highly prepped cars.
SM2 is now SSM.... where I reside
You can come play in SSM.... :ninja: :ninja: :ninja: :ninja: :ninja:
Cool Cat Racing
05-21-2009, 07:45 PM
The sad thing is that or 400whp miata is barely out of SSM, just because of a few small things I removed. And if you do end up building an SSM car you'll have to go pretty far to be competitive even at the ATL events, don't even think about a national event. At Nationals even SP cars are mostly dedicated cars.
koukis14
05-21-2009, 08:21 PM
Miata
That makes me laugh, apparently you don't autocross much if you think thats a good car. I'm with everyone else, CRX's are hard to beat and so are the neons. You can do all kinds of things, they both do quite well in ST classes, and they're cheap with good gas mileage.
i suspected the srt4 owner to be all up on the 1st gen neon autox... :(
SiRed94
05-21-2009, 08:46 PM
85-87 Crx Si or 86-87 Civic Si
i suspected the srt4 owner to be all up on the 1st gen neon autox... :(
believe it or not but i dont know shit about 1st gen neons i just found out a couple of months go they made a 1st gen acr but ya im looking into 1st gen mr2's and neons also some crx's and ef hatches anyone know how the ef sedans do :thinking: i had one and loved it but had to sell due to finacial issues but anyways the plan with the car is to use it as a dd (but im still keeping the srt) and use it in local or slightly local auto x events so i wont be going national or atleast not for awhile :cheers: also couple of more questions 1. what would you gurus recomend would do better 2 door or 4 door neon? 2. put these cars in order what you think is best to worst #1 being the best 1st gen mr2, 1st gen neon 4dr or 2dr, ef hatch, crx, eg coupe, eg hatch, miata
dakilla4ever
05-21-2009, 10:15 PM
I would personally go the same route I've already gone and start with a 4th gen prelude. But it takes someone that's used to a heavy car to learn how to control and maneuver it. My prelude handles great and is decent on gas mileage. I got used to my car street racing and driving it on a daily basis. Loved the first one so much that I bought 2 more after I totaled the first one (Many lessons learned there). It all depends on what exactly you are looking for and what are you doing it for. I honestly go out there to represent for all the other ludes out there by getting my best times and placing as high as possible by the end of the season. But for someone else I'd co-sign with everyone else and say miata, 88-91 crx, 88-91 civic, any mr2, 88-91 prelude(very nimble), & 90-01 Integras. Look for anything light weight in stock trim but comes with a decently powerful motor and "prelude like" suspension.
TheGrillMan
05-21-2009, 10:23 PM
e30\e36
believe it or not but i dont know shit about 1st gen neons i just found out a couple of months go they made a 1st gen acr but ya im looking into 1st gen mr2's and neons also some crx's and ef hatches anyone know how the ef sedans do :thinking: i had one and loved it but had to sell due to finacial issues but anyways the plan with the car is to use it as a dd (but im still keeping the srt) and use it in local or slightly local auto x events so i wont be going national or atleast not for awhile :cheers: also couple of more questions 1. what would you gurus recomend would do better 2 door or 4 door neon? 2. put these cars in order what you think is best to worst #1 being the best 1st gen mr2, 1st gen neon 4dr or 2dr, ef hatch, crx, eg coupe, eg hatch, miata
I can only speak on the neon and its history of being auto X cars, the coupe would be the best suggestion weight wise. The R/t would be a gem to find, but i havent seen one of those in years. Id look for a highline coupe dohc, sohc wouldnt be too bad either like i said before, b/c u can always upgrade. But the Acr was a sure sleeper that slid under the radar back when people were buying kits for hondas...dodge released a race ready neon, with no power options for cheap with koni shocks.
It would be cool to see a built 1st gen, i owned one myself, and a buddy of mine had one, adn was die hard. when i start to see his transform performance wise and with his limited budget, i was impressed. And they are inexpensive to build, compared to the others, and easily available parts to bum from later year neons esp the srt4.
ya i think im going to go with the 1st gen neon
ya i think im going to go with the 1st gen neon
you must of started to do some reading on neons.org? :D
EJ25RUN
05-22-2009, 07:00 AM
Mini.
Thighs
05-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Run a stock or street tire class.
STX- RX8 or E36 328is
STU- STi or Evo
STS- Civic EF
DONT GET A E30!!!!!!!!! im telling you that is the worst autocross car you will ever own
matthewAPM
05-22-2009, 11:37 AM
Run a stock or street tire class.
STX- RX8 or E36 328is
STU- STi or Evo
STS- Civic EF
DONT GET A E30!!!!!!!!! im telling you that is the worst autocross car you will ever own
Sorry, I was thinking I was logged in but jesse was still on. lol
^ gotcha i think i made my decsion on either a 1sr gen neon or ef hatch and possibly if i find one i like a 1st gen mr2
you must of started to do some reading on neons.org? :D
yup did a little last night :D
matthewAPM
05-22-2009, 02:11 PM
neon? uhhh GL with that.
EF or miata will be your best bet.
why not a neon? im not bashing just looking for some good info from the gurus who know what there talking about
matthewAPM
05-23-2009, 06:48 PM
Well if your looking for something competitive, neon is not where your going to want to go. Pick a car that is dominate in its class at nationals. First thing is what are you looking to spend? This will determine what class and car your going to want to get.
StraightSix
05-23-2009, 10:57 PM
I think a Neon can be a pretty decent autocross car. I know of one Neon up here that is well set up and well driven that is very competitive. Now, one isn't likely to be competitive nationally in a first gen Neon, but that doesn't preclude the car from being both competitive and fun regionally.
Something to think about MatthewAPM...there are lots of people who want to get into autocross, or track events, just to have fun. I'm not saying that winning an event isn't fun, but it isn't the end all and be all. Also, the OP has mentioned wanting to find a stock car to run in a stock class initially.
The suggestions that have been made most thus far, Miata, EF Civic, and first gen Neon, are pretty decent. Early Miatas *can* be found fairly cheap, parts are widely available and the cars are a blast to drive. Same goes for an EF Civic. And, for someone already familiar with Neons a first gen Neon is pretty cheap to buy, mod and maintain.
2turbo4u
05-24-2009, 08:07 PM
With the neon you could do three wheel turns!
speedminded
05-27-2009, 03:48 PM
thats what i was thinking alot of body roll and heavy for a honda but wasnt sure and was curious cause there was alot of cheap ones on craigslistlol! what does the chassis have to do with body roll?
speedminded
05-27-2009, 04:04 PM
Mmm...
http://img.youtube.com/vi/8iy4YDe8hWc/default.jpg?h=60&w=80&sigh=__TlfYB82drv6LSEpNbIWWbXtiM24=
e30 M3 Autocross (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iy4YDe8hWc)
SampaGuy
05-27-2009, 04:38 PM
^Nice vid.
RWD is 100x more fun IMO. Understeering when you floor it out of a turn must be the gayest feeling that exists in driving overall. I started autocrossing with a 1.8t Jetta so I know. For cheap you could go with a 1st gen miata in STS, a 2nd gen miata in C Stock like me, or a 2nd gen NA MR2 in E Stock.
If you want to stick to FWD you can go with a CRX in STS (probably won't keep up with all the miatas there though) or a EF civic hatch in ST (these dominate).
Remember that for the ST classes you will be allowed to have more mods but will run street tires. Stock class will not necessarily be cheaper, you will have less mods but will have to run slick tires if you want to be competitive, also requiring you to bring an extra set of wheels to every event which might be a hassle.
Elbow
05-27-2009, 06:25 PM
Even a RWD car can understeer if you floor it out of a turn. My EG was setup well enough I could floor it on exit far earlier then in my Miata.
OnURleft
05-28-2009, 12:57 AM
I'd do a Honda, Miata or an E30. All fun cars, just depends what you want.
SampaGuy
05-28-2009, 02:36 AM
Even a RWD car can understeer if you floor it out of a turn. My EG was setup well enough I could floor it on exit far earlier then in my Miata.
Ya well mine doesnt (probably because of the shitty tires i have on :D )
Elbow
05-28-2009, 07:31 AM
Yeah I mean it all depends on setup.
Meatball546
05-30-2009, 08:23 PM
Mmm...
http://img.youtube.com/vi/8iy4YDe8hWc/default.jpg?h=60&w=80&sigh=__TlfYB82drv6LSEpNbIWWbXtiM24=
e30 M3 Autocross (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iy4YDe8hWc)
HOLY BALLS!!! That thing flies!!!
green91
05-31-2009, 10:39 AM
IF you go with an EF, make sure to buy one thats a Si trim stock, they come with rear sway bars from the factory.
EJ25RUN
05-31-2009, 01:14 PM
Understeering when you floor it out of a turn must be the gayest feeling that exists in driving overall.
Very true. That feeling makes you hate your car.
JEY$JDM
05-31-2009, 01:28 PM
91 sedan.... :no:
matthewAPM
06-09-2009, 04:46 PM
^LMAO
nreggie454
06-09-2009, 09:03 PM
I beat everyone I raced dwn back roads with tonz a curves in my 91 sedan. It was on KYB GR2's, Skunk2 springs and strut bars with Falken Azenis 205/50/15 tires. no one could stay with me... until we got to a straight away LOL
my sedan had no roll at all either, any 88-91 civic should be great with just a few parts.
ive had 3 of em now and they have all been great
You do not know what you are talking about and beating "everyone" doesn't mean any of them were halfway decent drivers.
Also, a Civic sedan with those mods would not be very competitive in autocross.
Elbow
06-10-2009, 07:38 AM
I beat everyone I raced dwn back roads with tonz a curves in my 91 sedan. It was on KYB GR2's, Skunk2 springs and strut bars with Falken Azenis 205/50/15 tires. no one could stay with me... until we got to a straight away LOL
my sedan had no roll at all either, any 88-91 civic should be great with just a few parts.
ive had 3 of em now and they have all been great
I'll race you.
LOL :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Doppelgänger
06-10-2009, 08:34 AM
I beat everyone I raced dwn back roads with tonz a curves in my 91 sedan. It was on KYB GR2's, Skunk2 springs and strut bars with Falken Azenis 205/50/15 tires. no one could stay with me... until we got to a straight away LOL
my sedan had no roll at all either, any 88-91 civic should be great with just a few parts.
ive had 3 of em now and they have all been great
Obviously you and your friends have no idea what a real well-handling car feels like :no: :lmfao:
Elbow
06-10-2009, 08:37 AM
Obviously you and your friends have no idea what a real well-handling car feels like :no: :lmfao:
I agree with you for once. :goodjob:
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 11:30 AM
never auto x b4... but my foe doe was teh sht... and i knw my mods werent sht
guess im just a good driver n if yall ever do wanna race, im in newnan ga n i knw sum good roads
and considering my "friend" had about 2000 in suspension in his 93 hatch, and i had like..oh idk, 500 bux in suspension i guess i was the better driver...... i would race ne of you ppl tho.. in corners, not straights cuz my car slooooow as fuck :lmfao:
oh, and i said 88-91 civic with suspension mods would be good.. foe doe er hatch
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 11:45 AM
oh n btw.. i have never got to drive an EVO IX MR, or an NSX, or a GTR, or a Exige S, or Z06 or a fukn 911 gt3..
im just a poor white boy who likes driving very fast dwn back roads in his lil POS civics
i would love to drive said cars tho!!! lol
speedminded
06-12-2009, 11:57 AM
never auto x b4... but my foe doe was teh sht... and i knw my mods werent sht
guess im just a good driver n if yall ever do wanna race, im in newnan ga n i knw sum good roads
and considering my "friend" had about 2000 in suspension in his 93 hatch, and i had like..oh idk, 500 bux in suspension i guess i was the better driver...... i would race ne of you ppl tho.. in corners, not straights cuz my car slooooow as fuck :lmfao:
oh, and i said 88-91 civic with suspension mods would be good.. foe doe er hatch
oh n btw.. i have never got to drive an EVO IX MR, or an NSX, or a GTR, or a Exige S, or Z06 or a fukn 911 gt3..
im just a poor white boy who likes racing dwn back roads in his lil POS civics
i would love to drive said cars tho!!! lolYeah Newnan sure has some curvy roads with severe elevation changes huh lol!
Just about any light-weight car with good shocks and tires is going to handle well and typically one with less power and a average driver is going to be quicker than one with more power and an unexperienced driver.
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 11:58 AM
Yeah Newnan sure has some curvy roads with severe elevation changes huh lol!
Just about any light-weight car with good shocks and tires is going to handle well and typically one with less power and a average driver is going to be quicker than one with more power and an unexperienced driver.
well i live in newnan, senoia and out has good roads.
and if ya wanna talk auto x, look up how many times DSE has won auto x comps with they quad link camaro
speedminded
06-12-2009, 12:31 PM
well i live in newnan, senoia and out has good roads.
and if ya wanna talk auto x, look up how many times DSE has won auto x comps with they quad link camaroSeveral of the people in this thread have been running these roads for years, me personally since '95 lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UOGj4O2zGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJBGQinPT6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dVLdN4JIHw
I've seen the Camaro run a lot, hell Carrol Shelby's leaf spring setup on the Daytona coupe beat Ferrari so many times in '64-65 lol!
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 12:37 PM
looks like very fun roads... ive been to TN up in the mountains a few times
never been with ne here on IA for they mounatin runs tho.. id like to go tho
Doppelgänger
06-12-2009, 02:09 PM
never auto x b4... but my foe doe was teh sht... and i knw my mods werent sht
guess im just a good driver n if yall ever do wanna race, im in newnan ga n i knw sum good roads
and considering my "friend" had about 2000 in suspension in his 93 hatch, and i had like..oh idk, 500 bux in suspension i guess i was the better driver...... i would race ne of you ppl tho.. in corners, not straights cuz my car slooooow as fuck :lmfao:
oh, and i said 88-91 civic with suspension mods would be good.. foe doe er hatch
So put your money where your mouth is and come to the atuoX this Sunday at Turner Field.... www.soloatlanta.com
How much money you have in suspension doesn't matter if you don't know how to utilize it. It's also about not being a retard on the street :goodjob:
Time-to-time , i'd wax your ass at autoX.
speedminded
06-12-2009, 02:12 PM
So put your money where your mouth is and come to the atuoX this Sunday at Turner Field.... www.soloatlanta.com
How much money you have in suspension doesn't matter if you don't know how to utilize it. It's also about not being a retard on the street :goodjob:
Time-to-time , i'd wax your ass at autoX.Drift Tracker Auto-X? lulz!
speedminded
06-12-2009, 02:21 PM
looks like very fun roads... ive been to TN up in the mountains a few times
never been with ne here on IA for they mounatin runs tho.. id like to go thoI don't organize them anymore, too much BS and even though I'm not liable for anything I refuse to put the experienced drivers into situations like that. Small group of trusting drivers, 2-5 cars [without obnoxious exhausts], at midnight is the only way to go these days.
matthewAPM
06-12-2009, 03:48 PM
looks like very fun roads... ive been to TN up in the mountains a few times
never been with ne here on IA for they mounatin runs tho.. id like to go tho
Sounds good. I will also like to put $500 cash on the run. Im sorry but there is no way your going to keep up. I'll run on street tires...
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 05:01 PM
So put your money where your mouth is and come to the atuoX this Sunday at Turner Field.... www.soloatlanta.com (http://www.soloatlanta.com/)
How much money you have in suspension doesn't matter if you don't know how to utilize it. It's also about not being a retard on the street :goodjob:
Time-to-time , i'd wax your ass at autoX.
LOL i has no cash...
n like i said, ive never auto x b4
I think it be very fun tho
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 05:03 PM
I don't organize them anymore, too much BS and even though I'm not liable for anything I refuse to put the experienced drivers into situations like that. Small group of trusting drivers, 2-5 cars [without obnoxious exhausts], at midnight is the only way to go these days.
hell yeah.. its what i used to do with my friends out here
now they not into it nemore.... :no: so i dnt really have ne fun nemore
id like ta go with ya n a few a ya ppl sumtime.. i has no loud exhaust
JEY$JDM
06-12-2009, 05:05 PM
Sounds good. I will also like to put $500 cash on the run. Im sorry but there is no way your going to keep up. I'll run on street tires...
thats crazy talk... for one, i dnt knw how ya drive, and ya dnt knw how i drive... so we cnt really say who would beat who. but i would love to take on sum roads together n have fun n see who gets who tho.. my car has NO motor work, just a 90 d15b hatch
green91
06-12-2009, 06:05 PM
I hope you drive better than you type, i can barely read your posts
speedminded
06-12-2009, 09:43 PM
I hope you drive better than you type, i can barely read your postsMy eyes are bleeding. Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox would show it all as one solid red line lol!
JEY$JDM
06-13-2009, 12:56 AM
hmm.. this is IA, not getting a grade on wtf i type. LOL its computer talk
but yes... i drive better than i type lol
Doppelgänger
06-13-2009, 11:00 AM
LOL i has no cash...
n like i said, ive never auto x b4
I think it be very fun tho
Well, you seem to have enough money to put gas in your tank and race around on backroads....you have enough money for an autoX (not that you would ever show up and show off your "mad skills")
Doppelgänger
06-13-2009, 11:01 AM
but yes... i drive better than i type lol
That's not saying much.
JEY$JDM
06-13-2009, 12:35 PM
lol @ "mad skills"
Anyways, auto x would be fun...
Thats my take on what car ya should get..
And I should come out to an auto x event sometime.
Maybe when I have some more mods to my pos I'll make it to one.
matthewAPM
06-15-2009, 01:41 AM
thats crazy talk... for one, i dnt knw how ya drive, and ya dnt knw how i drive... so we cnt really say who would beat who. but i would love to take on sum roads together n have fun n see who gets who tho.. my car has NO motor work, just a 90 d15b hatch
Well i got an idea. Bring your car out to an SCCA track day, I'll be your instructor and get some lap times, then I'll make runs in my car and we will see who is faster.
OnURleft
06-15-2009, 01:47 AM
90 d15b hatch
V-tak?
matthewAPM
06-15-2009, 01:51 AM
nooo. d15 FTL haha
OnURleft
06-15-2009, 01:53 AM
nooo. d15 FTL haha
At first I was like :eek: but then I was .. :(
matthewAPM
06-15-2009, 01:55 AM
and then i was like :thinking:
Elbow
06-15-2009, 07:03 AM
Ok if it's a D15B hatch, I had an EF D15B hatch race car, and I will tell you it's fast for what IT IS, but the other drivers have to be PRETTY shitty to get beat by it. I had a D15B2, it was an ITC race car I built, so it was quick for that, but against other cars at track days, nope, it was as fast as a mildly tuned up Miata, like shocks and springs and that's it.
I swapped in a D15B VTEC motor for Honda Challenge and it was quicker, but still not some balls out beast you are making it out to be.
A lot of the people in this thread have REAL experience, I ran Red Bull karts with MatthewAPM, Onureft does hardcore track days and I have ridden with him, Doppelgänger hauls ass at autocross, the others have experience I am just unsure of as I don't know them.
You THINK you are fast on the street, then come to a track and realize you are slow as shit. Sorry, it's just the way it is lol.
larossa9
06-15-2009, 09:53 AM
GET A 944!!!!!!!!!! perfect 50/50 weight distribution and a fucking blast to drive, cheap to fine, and not hard to work on, if you can score a 944 turbo you will be well in the 240hp!!!! do it!!!!!!!!!!!!
speedminded
06-15-2009, 10:02 AM
GET A 944!!!!!!!!!! perfect 50/50 weight distribution and a fucking blast to drive, cheap to fine, and not hard to work on, if you can score a 944 turbo you will be well in the 240hp!!!! do it!!!!!!!!!!!!I hope it comes with a noose! BMW are the civics of German cars compared to them. Even when you know someone in the Porsche business parts are ridiculous. The NA can't get out of its own way with 140hp and the turbo is a 2.5L Audi engine so you know the parts are stupid expensive and questionable at best.
One with suspension work and a LSx wouldn't be bad though! :boobies:
well im talking to a guy with a 89 hatch
larossa9
06-15-2009, 10:55 AM
I hope it comes with a noose! BMW are the civics of German cars compared to them. Even when you know someone in the Porsche business parts are ridiculous. The NA can't get out of its own way with 140hp and the turbo is a 2.5L Audi engine so you know the parts are stupid expensive and questionable at best.
One with suspension work and a LSx wouldn't be bad though! :boobies:
ahh yea, bmws are cheaper and easier to find parts for, but ill take my 944 over a 3series, i love the 3's, but driving a 944 is so much fun, i found a really good site 944forum.com and the owner buys used ones and parts them out, and i luckily have a friend that works down the street that has 2 junk ones, :) but and and yes an LSx wouldnt be bad lol, and the early na, yea does have like 140, but the later s2's and such have 200 right? the 3.0 liters?
they are very nice cars my old boss club races them
speedminded
06-15-2009, 11:16 AM
ahh yea, bmws are cheaper and easier to find parts for, but ill take my 944 over a 3series, i love the 3's, but driving a 944 is so much fun, i found a really good site 944forum.com and the owner buys used ones and parts them out, and i luckily have a friend that works down the street that has 2 junk ones, :) but and and yes an LSx wouldnt be bad lol, and the early na, yea does have like 140, but the later s2's and such have 200 right? the 3.0 liters?There's a couple Porsche junkyards in Georgia, far more than a couple cars being parted out...errr more like several hundred. I had a roommate that was a roll-back driver for one and he had a 944 Turbo...parts were still a bitch for him and he was around dozens of them every day lol!
JEY$JDM
06-15-2009, 11:28 AM
I would love to go to a track day...
When I was in NC, I knew a guy who is an instructor at VIR and he wanted me to get into the NASA and SCCA stuff. I just never got a chance to go up there with him cuz I was working so much. He said I could work some events and get some free driving after awhile.
It would be fun as hell to go around a track.
JEY$JDM
06-15-2009, 11:33 AM
People. I NEVER said my D15 hatch is fast. I'm saying that it is slow. So I would not like to do actual racing in it against you people at the track or auto x. I know how slow my car is. It's just all the people I have raced up and down some country roads (which is stupid of me and dangerous) I have beaten. When I get more on my car, I'll be down for a track day for sure. Not saying I'm a better driver, or that my car is a beast! lol
JEY$JDM
06-15-2009, 11:37 AM
nope. 4spd d15b hatch lol
V-tak?
Elbow
06-15-2009, 11:51 AM
Yep mine was the 4 speed too, technically D15B1 with a B2 head, it was built as high as you can for ITC.
As for the 944...$$$$$$..I learned with the 914 no Porsche is "cheap" even if it has a tuned VW motor lol.
And for the 944's are slow comment, umm no. They are pretty damn fast on road courses, a properly setup 944 will be SECONDS faster then any spec Miata or spec E30.
JEY$JDM
06-15-2009, 11:57 AM
Yeah, I'd love to get a first gen b16 sometime with no mods under the hood of my hatch. Keep it clean, and stock.
Or, I'm just going to get sohc ZC
E30 auddie
06-15-2009, 11:59 AM
E30 all the way. With a few suspension mods they run like they are on rails. They are a pretty light car.
larossa9
06-15-2009, 01:49 PM
Yep mine was the 4 speed too, technically D15B1 with a B2 head, it was built as high as you can for ITC.
As for the 944...$$$$$$..I learned with the 914 no Porsche is "cheap" even if it has a tuned VW motor lol.
And for the 944's are slow comment, umm no. They are pretty damn fast on road courses, a properly setup 944 will be SECONDS faster then any spec Miata or spec E30.
exxxxxactly ! :cheers:
yea they do cost quite a bit to maintain but when you get a proper autocross one that is well built they are fantastic, they handle o so nice!!
Elbow
06-15-2009, 04:47 PM
True!
nreggie454
06-16-2009, 04:05 PM
E30 all the way. With a few suspension mods they run like they are on rails. They are a pretty light car.
With a few suspension mods, they will be classed with cars that are much more competitive. Also, he is looking to learn, so mods would have to wait.
^ yup im new to all this type of driving and im loking into a 89 hatch for cheap right now and the only thing that we be done for awhile is problay new bushing all around it
Doppelgänger
06-17-2009, 05:27 PM
WTF... here is a good deal on a auto-x car...
http://www.soloatlanta.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2007
speedminded
06-17-2009, 05:30 PM
WTF... here is a good deal on a auto-x car...
http://www.soloatlanta.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2007Gotta be a member but holy shit that is a good deal with all things considering. Quoting it for those that can't see it...
Ok finally time to sell it. Second owner 99 ACR Coupe no options car (rear defrost only, no radio or air). Ive owned it since 2003 when it had 4200 miles on it. Mileage is accurate. I autocrossed it a couple of times back in 2007 but havent really had the time since. No track days. Too many projects and hobbies, gotta let one go.
6 point cage out of 4130 DOM tubing. All TIG welded. See the pictures on the flickr site.
Quaife diff.
Moroso oil pan - No leaks but slight weepage from the gasket. Been on there for 2 years.
Crank-scrapers.com teflon crank scraper and windage tray. The first one made for the Moroso pan.
Black Konis on front with Performance Driven XX Highs, Yellow on rear with Performance Driven XX Highs
Powersteering has been removed
Poly motor and transmission mounts
Short shift kit of unknown origin
Fast Fabs longtube header with Swaintech ceramic coating. Extra thick welding on the flanges to avoid cracking. Flange matched to gasket
2.5 inch exhaust all the way back with Dynomax muffler.
The interior of the engine is untouched. No cam swaps, heads, or otherwise. Only 44,xxx miles! Mobil One 5w30 since bought. Oil is always very clean. Changed every 5,000 miles. Has never been overheated.
Custom aluminum oil overflow for the common surge problem in the valve cover.
Unorthodox Race crank pulley
"Vitor" airdam that has seen a few curb nudges and cones.
Blue squiggle interior.
Snowflakes in used condition. None bent. Decent Dunlop tires about 10,000 miles old.
Odyssey PC 680 Battery mounted in a battery box in the trunk. Welding cable for battery cable. Kill switch in interior.
3.0 intake with cheapo AEM filter.
Hood and bumpers could use some paint. The hood has rock chips. Windshield has one small hit. Small amount of rust under the hood. See pics.
Trailer hitch.
Im probably pricing it crazy high at $3,400. I hoping to sell it to another racer. I know the value of this thing is lost on the general public.
Located near Road Atlanta.
gman30152 @ yahoo
Lots of pictures and such at my flickr page
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32747898@N07/sets/72157613402327487/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/3058389697_cbdbb9697a.jpg?v=0
Elbow
06-18-2009, 06:27 AM
Holy hell good deal on the Neon, I'd grab it and road race it if I didn't just buy another car.
Tirewarmer
06-18-2009, 12:04 PM
Well i got an idea. Bring your car out to an SCCA track day, I'll be your instructor and get some lap times, then I'll make runs in my car and we will see who is faster.
I'll even offer a discount to the PDX/Track Trial event that I'm running at Roebling Road next weekend if our friend comes out :taun:
http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/98BA0C50-F93A-C62A-9BD66095DAD85854
speedminded
06-18-2009, 12:06 PM
I'll even offer a discount to the PDX/Track Trial event that I'm running at Roebling Road next weekend if our friend comes out :taun:
http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/98BA0C50-F93A-C62A-9BD66095DAD85854PM said discount :D
Tirewarmer
06-18-2009, 12:07 PM
PM said discount :D
Are you trying to pose as the backroads dorifto King? :police: That discount was for him to show off his mad skillz.
If any of you guys are at all interested in coming, we are basically offering this track time at our cost for the weekend.
Someone with no prior track experience can get on track with an in car instructor assigned to them for every session for $160 a day for two days. We are offering a ton of track time, with 200 minutes spread over 10 sessions. You won't want any more tracktime after your last session on Sunday afternoon, you'll want a nap instead.
santacruz77
06-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Can I run and pay you payments? ;)
speedminded
06-18-2009, 02:12 PM
Are you trying to pose as the backroads dorifto King? :police: That discount was for him to show off his mad skillz.
If any of you guys are at all interested in coming, we are basically offering this track time at our cost for the weekend.
Someone with no prior track experience can get on track with an in car instructor assigned to them for every session for $160 a day for two days. We are offering a ton of track time, with 200 minutes spread over 10 sessions. You won't want any more tracktime after your last session on Sunday afternoon, you'll want a nap instead.That' a great deal and Roebling is plenty forgiving for novice drivers. Although I would absolutely drift the hell out of Roebling I first became an SCCA crew member in 2004 and that would probably be frowned upon lol!
JEY$JDM
06-18-2009, 03:09 PM
Yeah, that Neon is pretty sweet!
VTECking
06-18-2009, 09:19 PM
how bout a s13 or s14 w/a great suspension all the way around. And plus if you want you can always throw an SR20 in it down the road.
speedminded
06-18-2009, 09:32 PM
how bout a s13 or s14 w/a great suspension all the way around. And plus if you want you can always throw an SR20 in it down the road.Successful 240's on road courses are so few and far between. Go to a club race event and see how many there are out there. Considering it's one of the cheapest RWD's "sportcars" you can pick up you still rarely see them out there...
I'd say Erin on here has one of the quickest around but he rocking Tein drift coil0-overs and an LS2, lol!
Tirewarmer
06-19-2009, 12:23 PM
Can I run and pay you payments? ;)
Only if you have a really hot sister or girlfriend that I can "borrow."
Oh, don't forget to post pics. :boobies:
Elbow
06-19-2009, 12:28 PM
Only if you have a really hot sister or girlfriend that I can "borrow."
Oh, don't forget to post pics. :boobies:
That was me posting from his..oops...lol.
Will rent you my sister for one day of track time. What about flag one day drive the other?
Tirewarmer
06-21-2009, 02:47 PM
That was me posting from his..oops...lol.
Will rent you my sister for one day of track time. What about flag one day drive the other?
If you wanted to do that, I would reccomend flaging on Saturday, and taking the free breakfast, lunch, dinner and hotel room that you will get, then paying for one day for Sunday. You make out getting more bang for your buck with all of the saturday perks for flagging, than you would if you took the discount that we give on Sunday's entry for working on Saturday.
Does that make sense? Drop me an email and we can chat if you'd like to about the event. I'm sure that we can find a way to get you down there.
Anyone else interested? Have questions? Fire away.
[email protected]
Oh, almost forgot, pics of sister please. :boobies:
Tirewarmer
06-21-2009, 02:49 PM
Successful 240's on road courses are so few and far between. Go to a club race event and see how many there are out there. Considering it's one of the cheapest RWD's "sportcars" you can pick up you still rarely see them out there...
I'd say Erin on here has one of the quickest around but he rocking Tein drift coil0-overs and an LS2, lol!
The problem with building a good 240 track car, is that you'll probably want to add a turbo or do an engine swap, which is usually frowned upon by many organizations.
I'd love to see and engine swapped or turboed 240 come and run NASA TT with us. I think that it could do well.
matthewAPM
06-22-2009, 12:49 PM
I really just think the suspension geometry sucks for 240's
Elbow
06-22-2009, 12:56 PM
Yeah I really haven't driven a 240 that I liked handling wise, and I have driven quite a few with some pricey suspension.
speedminded
06-22-2009, 01:01 PM
The problem with building a good 240 track car, is that you'll probably want to add a turbo or do an engine swap, which is usually frowned upon by many organizations.
I'd love to see and engine swapped or turboed 240 come and run NASA TT with us. I think that it could do well.If it was a decent handling car then there would be TONS out there. The KA isn't lacking so much power/torque that it wouldn't be competitive...at least they would be competitive with each other no matter what. They just suck overall in the handling department.
Elbow
06-22-2009, 01:46 PM
The KA lives in road racing, the 240 however doesn't lol.
Lots of GT cars use the KA24E.
OnURleft
06-22-2009, 05:38 PM
The KA lives in road racing, the 240 however doesn't lol.
Lots of GT cars use the KA24E.
Amen. No matter how much money people dump in 240's they are still sloppy/slow road racing cars (relative to similar cars with similar mods). I believe it's just because it's a long, narrow car without optimum weight distribution or suspension geometry.
speedminded
06-22-2009, 05:51 PM
Amen. No matter how much money people dump in 240's they are still sloppy/slow road racing cars (relative to similar cars with similar mods). I believe it's just because it's a long, narrow car without optimum weight distribution or suspension geometry.What's funny is they're not even a very good drift car without serious suspension upgrades. (Shhh...don't tell anyone though, it'll hurt too many peoples feelings)
Elbow
06-22-2009, 07:52 PM
They really aren't lol, they are just crazy cheap.
Hell if I wanted a drift car I would get a E30, 325, more power and torque, cheap, easy to fix and work on, and better looking.
E30 auddie
06-27-2009, 09:26 AM
They really aren't lol, they are just crazy cheap.
Hell if I wanted a drift car I would get a E30, 325, more power and torque, cheap, easy to fix and work on, and better looking.
+1,000,000 :goodjob:
FasTech
06-28-2009, 07:49 AM
If I were to semi build a car for the track/DD, I think I would go with either a ED civic or CRX just because those are some really fun cars in the corners with a little cash thrown in them. I would prefer a 1988 to 1991 civic hatch or a CRX of any year. Just throwing some cheap track car ideas at you. But best of luck with the research and purchase of whatever you decide to get.
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